Author Topic: GH60 Keyboard Project (Read 610820 times)

gnubag · « **Reply #1400 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:23:54 »

will be a plastic (cheap) case for it? because the alu case will be super expensive for a student...

also i tried to rotate some keycaps on my rosewill keyboard ( i will be using the switches and keycaps from it) and they wouldn't fit.
They just don't fit.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #1401 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:26:26 »

The problem is having to have so many holes drilled in the PCB. We already have to drill quite a few due to the PCB mounts for the switches, and more would increase cost for the PCB.

The_Beast · « **Reply #1402 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:32:26 »

Will the PCB support cherry and filco caps lock position or just one?

Caaaarrrt · « **Reply #1403 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:42:25 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:32:26

Will the PCB support cherry and filco caps lock position or just one?

Looking at the images of the PCB it seems to support both as there are two holes to put the switch in at the caps lock position.

The_Beast · « **Reply #1404 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:56:24 »

Quote from: Caaaarrrt on Wed, 30 January 2013, 15:42:25

Quote from: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 14:32:26
Will the PCB support cherry and filco caps lock position or just one?

Looking at the images of the PCB it seems to support both as there are two holes to put the switch in at the caps lock position.

I thought so, but I just wanted to double check

Gupgup · « **Reply #1405 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:25:13 »

Is it still possible to get in on this?

Edit: Checked op.. My bad!

Can't wait for this, will definitely be in for one! I'd love a winkeyless one!

The_Beast · « **Reply #1406 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:26:18 »

Quote from: Gupgup on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:25:13

Is it still possible to get in on this?

It hasn't even started, it's an IC that has done a prototype. Just wait for the GB, it should be here soonish

Gupgup · « **Reply #1407 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:29:32 »

Quote from: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:26:18

Quote from: Gupgup on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:25:13
Is it still possible to get in on this?

It hasn't even started, it's an IC that has done a prototype. Just wait for the GB, it should be here soonish

Awesome! Will have to sell my poker to be able to fund this bad boy, oh well 60% for 60%!

The_Beast · « **Reply #1408 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:43:17 »

Quote from: Gupgup on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:29:32

Quote from: The_Beast on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:26:18
Quote from: Gupgup on Wed, 30 January 2013, 22:25:13
Is it still possible to get in on this?

It hasn't even started, it's an IC that has done a prototype. Just wait for the GB, it should be here soonish

Awesome! Will have to sell my poker to be able to fund this bad boy, oh well 60% for 60%!

Same here, maybe

I REALLY like my poker

TheQsanity · « **Reply #1409 on:** Wed, 30 January 2013, 23:02:10 »

Same, maybe someone would like a poker without switches?

Glissant · « **Reply #1410 on:** Thu, 31 January 2013, 04:33:27 »

I'll take a Poker PCB if it isn't too expensive

.

alaricljs · « **Reply #1411 on:** Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:05:37 »

I have a poker PCB right now if you're serious. Never soldered

PM me

multipla · « **Reply #1412 on:** Thu, 31 January 2013, 09:14:29 »

I'd take the case maybe, if you don't need it

Edit: forget about that, I don't need one anymore.

ApocalypseMaow · « **Reply #1413 on:** Thu, 31 January 2013, 10:20:05 »

Totally interested!

do_Og@n · « **Reply #1414 on:** Sun, 03 February 2013, 00:41:02 »

I would love one with the ANSI winkeyless. Super Interested!!!

rknize · « **Reply #1415 on:** Sun, 03 February 2013, 00:50:18 »

It would be nice to have an extra LED or two to indicate any active layer locking. Not sure if the Atmega has the extra pins for it.

mashby · « **Reply #1416 on:** Sun, 03 February 2013, 11:24:00 »

A question about the plates...

When this converts into a GB and we're at the ordering stage for plates, I'm curious if the plates being designed would work on a KBT Pure. If so, I can see ordering an extra plate.

Maybe too soon to ask, but figured I'd ask anyway.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #1417 on:** Sun, 03 February 2013, 12:47:18 »

Quote from: mashby on Sun, 03 February 2013, 11:24:00

A question about the plates...

When this converts into a GB and we're at the ordering stage for plates, I'm curious if the plates being designed would work on a KBT Pure. If so, I can see ordering an extra plate.

Maybe too soon to ask, but figured I'd ask anyway.

I designed a plate for he GH60 which will work with the Pure. When the GB happens, it will likely be an option.

vorn · « **Reply #1418 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 06:41:57 »

Every day I refresh this thread at least 5 times, and then when there's nothing new I end up perusing the interwebs trying to decide what colour keycaps I'm going to get. No other keyboard will satisfy me after watching this project!!

Question.. what size o-ring is recommended for blue switches? Would any of the available o-rings conflict with the auditory feedback of the blues?

Also, blues probably wouldn't be best for the spacebar. Maybe some reds for the modifiers?

Acetrak · « **Reply #1419 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 07:44:07 »

Quote from: vorn on Tue, 05 February 2013, 06:41:57

Every day I refresh this thread at least 5 times, and then when there's nothing new I end up perusing the interwebs trying to decide what colour keycaps I'm going to get. No other keyboard will satisfy me after watching this project!!

Question.. what size o-ring is recommended for blue switches? Would any of the available o-rings conflict with the auditory feedback of the blues?

Also, blues probably wouldn't be best for the spacebar. Maybe some reds for the modifiers?

Your questions are kinda off topic so it might be a good idea to make a new thread if you're looking for detailed answers.

Quickly answering your questions though, o-rings has more to do with the keycaps you use not really relevant to the switches. It is also based on personal preference so I don't think there are any recommendations, just gotta try it out yourself to see if you like it.

Yes the o-rings will affect the auditory feedback, this will depend on what o-ring you use. There are o-rings that affect the sound less though (they're thinner).

Blues can be fine for the space bar, however often times a switch with the same stem but heavier spring is used for the space bar (green, white) to prevent the space bar feeling mushy. I would not mesh linear (red, black) switches with tactile (blue, brown, clear) ones on the same board due to drastic difference in feel, unless that's what you're going for.

vorn · « **Reply #1420 on:** Tue, 05 February 2013, 08:43:06 »

Sorry for off-topic. Thanks for the reply though!

netdevil · « **Reply #1421 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 00:08:03 »

Interested! Any latest updates?

thcipriani · « **Reply #1422 on:** Wed, 06 February 2013, 23:06:34 »

Interested as well

GeorgeK · « **Reply #1423 on:** Sun, 10 February 2013, 12:41:38 »

Interested too!

adrock · « **Reply #1424 on:** Sun, 10 February 2013, 16:16:16 »

also very interested

salmo · « **Reply #1425 on:** Sun, 10 February 2013, 17:52:17 »

Noticed the beta thread has quieted down and hadn't heard anything here in a little while. Are we nearing groupbuy time yet? Anything that can be done to help?

jdcarpe · « **Reply #1426 on:** Sun, 10 February 2013, 19:06:50 »

Pretty sure komar is just trying to find time to finish the final revisions to the PCB before the GB can begin. Last I heard, he was trying to decide whether he could make all the switches fit without rotating any of them 90 degrees.

komar007 · « **Reply #1427 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:42:33 »

Sorry for not posting for some time. I was on holidays.
I'd like to start the group buy soon.
I've fixed the C3 problem, and we could start in days. But I still don't know if the rotated switches are ok with the most of you.
I still need to look into the split backspace thing, since it seems many people want it.

Halverson · « **Reply #1428 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:46:41 »

Quote from: komar007 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:42:33

Sorry for not posting for some time. I was on holidays.
I'd like to start the group buy soon.
I've fixed the C3 problem, and we could start in days. But I still don't know if the rotated switches are ok with the most of you.
I still need to look into the split backspace thing, since it seems many people want it.

Welcome back!
I'm excited to get this GB underway, but I would quite like the split backspace option.
As for rotated switches, doesn't matter to me.

Loligagger · « **Reply #1429 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:55:28 »

Quote from: komar007 on Mon, 11 February 2013, 04:42:33

Sorry for not posting for some time. I was on holidays.
I'd like to start the group buy soon.
I've fixed the C3 problem, and we could start in days. But I still don't know if the rotated switches are ok with the most of you.
I still need to look into the split backspace thing, since it seems many people want it.

The rotated switches really aren't a bother.

jdcarpe · « **Reply #1430 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 06:35:08 »

I don't mind the rotated switches. I would like the split backspace option, if possible.

Thanks for the update, komar!

regack · « **Reply #1431 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:30:34 »

Quote from: jdcarpe on Mon, 11 February 2013, 06:35:08

I don't mind the rotated switches. I would like the split backspace option, if possible.

Thanks for the update, komar!

Just going to echo everything jdcarpe said...

mashby · « **Reply #1432 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:46:17 »

Just as a point of clarification, the GH60 will not have backlighting, correct?

komar007 · « **Reply #1433 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 07:47:20 »

Correct.

gnubag · « **Reply #1434 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:24:48 »

Two questions.

is somebody making a plastic case?
do we have to smd mount components in the final revision (thought i read something about this earlier)?

SmallFry · « **Reply #1435 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:26:34 »

I don't believe that anyone is making a plastic case, WFD and Beast are making aluminum cases.

SMD soldering will be done by the fabricator during the final production, IIRC.

zoidbergslo · « **Reply #1436 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:37:48 »

did you decide between micro and mini usb?

noxwood · « **Reply #1437 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:47:46 »

Which layouts require a rotated switch?

gnubag · « **Reply #1438 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:53:38 »

Quote from: noxwood on Mon, 11 February 2013, 11:47:46

Which layouts require a rotated switch?

i think all because some modifieres and the escape keys (some more?) are rotated 90 or 270 degree.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #1439 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:14:29 »

It's the bottom row of switches that needed to be rotated because there were so many different possible positions. Otherwise without rotation some overlap. It was easiset solution to have all of them and have a secure mounting. It's not even a problem so I am not sure why anyone cares about this at all.

JPG · « **Reply #1440 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:52:18 »

I think that the real problem is the lack of information about the effect of having some switches rotated. The only info I got on this is that it can cause your keycaps to be "stretched" and so they would be loose if you would put them on not rotated switches after. But I am not sure if this information was accurate or not.

Personnaly, it would bother me if it would cause a set of keycaps to be only good for this keybord once you put them on it, put that's only IF that is the case.

So I think that if someone just clarified on the impacts of having some rotated switch on the keycaps it would help to take a decision because if it has relatively no impact then who cares, but if it does then maybe it will require a decision. Or at least, people will know when they order it.

IvanIvanovich · « **Reply #1441 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:58:42 »

I have had keyboards where the entire thing was rotated 90, every switch. I saw no difference from a usage or feeling perspective, and had no issues with keycap either. The only con I expeirenced is the keycap are a little harder to remove since they have a tighter fit. A bit more care might be needed on pcb mount when remove keycap as pulling too hard can pull out the stem with it.

gnubag · « **Reply #1442 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 13:48:07 »

So i tried it out with the rotated switch/keycap stuff.

1. rosewill keycaps, some of them are a very tight fit, some don't even fit. not sure what will happen if i force them on.

2. KBT pbt keycaps (from the oni) , they do not fit at all.

3. Keycaps from the razer black widow, all are a tight fit.

i have no idea what can happen overtime, but i think i have seen WASD keyboards with the rotated esc key (?)

also how about distributing the gh60 over massdrop (parallel to the gb here)like the ergo dox (eventhough the gh60 does not come with a cheap case)

laffindude · « **Reply #1443 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 16:04:48 »

Quote from: lysol on Mon, 11 February 2013, 12:58:42

A bit more care might be needed on pcb mount when remove keycap as pulling too hard can pull out the stem with it.

I see people pulling out the switches along with the traces.

WhiteFireDragon · « **Reply #1444 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 18:47:20 »

Rotated switches could be a problem, but that really depends on the specific cap and switch:

I have some brand new mx clear switches that are already dam stiff as is to get caps in, and once you get them in, they're extremely hard to get off. Now if these same switches are rotated, it will be near impossible to get them on. If you do happen to get them on, I don't see how you're going to get them off without ripping the whole switch off the PCB/plate, along with some traces. Some stems are extremely tight even when not rotated, some batches aren't. The point is that not all are made equally.

Now as for caps, the tolerances will also vary between different caps. Some are really tight and will be nearly impossible to even get it on a rotated switch, but most should work. If you do happen to get it on, some will retain the grip pretty well, and some will be permanently loose. For example, imsto's caps are thick PBT caps, but ironically they are the loosest caps I have after only 1 or 2 installations. If you even think about turning them sideways and mount it, they will become looser than a women that just had 10 fat children.

So it really depends on what switches and caps you have, and if you'll be transferring the cap sets between different keyboards. I personally don't care, but would rather bring this up for people that do care about this aspect.

sordna · « **Reply #1445 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:03:32 »

So the keycapcap cruciform opening is not symmetrical? I thought it was. Anyway, whenever I notice a keycap is not easy to install, I just turn it upside down, and push hard on the opening with a fat philips screwdriver to loosen it up.

JPG · « **Reply #1446 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:43:38 »

Reading these answers, I must say that I would personnaly prefer to have the switches not rotated. But that's just my own opinion.

Also, I don't know any of the details of making a pcb, but I was thinking that if we get a GB big enough, would it not be easier to make like 2 different pcb layout, both very similar but one to support layouts ABC and another to support layouts DEF so that we would not need to rotate the switches?

Just an idea like that, I don't know if it's even possible.

gnubag · « **Reply #1447 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:47:37 »

true that.
i would like a pcb what works with 100% with any keycap/mxswitch combination.

salmo · « **Reply #1448 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 19:52:01 »

I think the switch rotation issue is mostly speculation at this point. From what I;m hearing there are plenty of examples of rotated switches in the wild.

Did any of the early testers have issue? Has anyone actually experienced negative repercussions of 90 degree rotated switches? Or all issues, at this point, hypothetical?

TheQsanity · « **Reply #1449 on:** Mon, 11 February 2013, 20:00:18 »

WFD, have you shipped all the GH60s yet?

GH60 rev. B w/ ali's case	\|	Cherry G80-3000 HFU/05	\|	IBM Model M (51G8572)

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Author Topic: GH60 Keyboard Project (Read 610820 times)