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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #150 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:08:50 »

What does that even mean ?


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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #151 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 15:13:32 »
You can run but you can't hide.


Dallas also announced they're out of pediatric hospital beds.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #152 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 16:54:35 »
Nope can't escape since I'm in a state that is red, and yeah the hospitals near are refusing ambulances due to cases.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #153 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 17:51:27 »
Nope can't escape since I'm in a state that is red, and yeah the hospitals near are refusing ambulances due to cases.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #154 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 21:42:07 »
Texas has you covered...

"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #155 on: Thu, 19 August 2021, 22:12:25 »
Texas has you covered...

"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.

Is that legal ? can they reject a heart disease patient, even though it was his idea to eat exclusively burgers?

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #156 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 01:50:06 »
Texas has you covered...

"Texas hospitals may soon deny unvaccinated patients access to ICU beds."
I'm sure the governor will enact some law to prevent this, because you know, it's Abbot.

Is that legal ? can they reject a heart disease patient, even though it was his idea to eat exclusively burgers?

Best answer I can give you is "because Texas".
They don't like following your rules.

As an aside, I can only assume you've never been there.
Even in our current political climate you'd probably be safer driving around with a loudspeaker praising Biden than saying anything bad about their burgers and steaks.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #157 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:00:06 »

What does that even mean ?


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HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #158 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:32:02 »

HOW can Alaska be red


I think that the rating is wrong. My understanding is that Alaska has done a pretty good job of vaccinating for a state with the better part of a million people.

https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #159 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 08:47:39 »
Patient removed from transplant list for refusing vaccine.


Alabama defeats Florida in number of children hospitalized.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #160 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 14:57:15 »
Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer (ivermectin) to treat COVID-19.


So.... hang on.

They decide not to vaccinate.

Then they catch covid

They decide to take medicine made for cows

They're throwing up, vomiting, delirium

They decide to Call Poison control instead of going to the hospital.


sssss... you have to admire their resolve to die on that hill.  Hahahahahaha,,,, if only this wasn't tanking the us economy.... :<

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #161 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:03:46 »

HOW can Alaska be red


I think that the rating is wrong. My understanding is that Alaska has done a pretty good job of vaccinating for a state with the better part of a million people.

https://alaska-coronavirus-vaccine-outreach-alaska-dhss.hub.arcgis.com/
It's probably a per capita rating. In that case, it's probably because the inhabitant got it, so 100% infection rate :p .
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #162 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 15:44:26 »

Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer


Who made that up? Was it Q or Cozy Bear? Are they trying to wipe out their own base?
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #163 on: Fri, 20 August 2021, 23:15:00 »
HOW can Alaska be red, there's NO-ONE THERE!

Florida and Alaska both run against the grain of the rest of the country.

In Alaska the cities are red, the rural areas are blue.
In Florida the further North you go the further "South" you get.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #164 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 07:47:40 »
alabama and mississipi cries and requests fema support.. o' rly....

places declare "critical mass level zero"

Sounds like a speed running term, but it just means there is No Emergency Help on the way, the ambulance is NOT coming.   We is gon' Die.

If you have a heart atk, it's gg.


Pfizer approval coming monday-ish,  ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?

Florida water use is now a problem because treatment oxygen diverted to hospitals.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #165 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:18:13 »
woah woah woah.. hol up.. Some people got FREE Juice boxes after vaccination??

Tp4 didn't get notin''  Bullsh.... WTffffhhhh, where free juice box... ?

Should've waited,  Texas might do $150

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #166 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:21:27 »

Pfizer approval coming monday-ish,  ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?


"They" being anti-vaxxers? They don't need excuses, they have emotions.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #167 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 08:33:54 »

Pfizer approval coming monday-ish,  ya'll think they'll just move on to some other excuse ?


"They" being anti-vaxxers? They don't need excuses, they have emotions.


Just saw this video.. :D

https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/p8dzgf/guy_presents_at_board_meeting_says_covid_will/

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« Reply #168 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 09:24:36 »
alabama and mississipi cries and requests fema support.. o' rly....

Feds in general can't come without a declaration of local emergency and then a formal request, this is why they didn't go the collapsed Florida condo right away.
Sadly, it's political posturing on the state's part, without an emergency feds won't come, then they blame them for not coming. And they don't want it anyway, once they come in, the Gov can direct them but anywhere they go, they will be in charge. That would mean mandatory masks.

Don't forget we states have Nat. Guard they can call in with a simple stroke of a pen, but THEY would have to pay (financially) for that. They have yet to do that even.
Meanwhile their people die.

Don't forget, this isn't peak, until you do something to change the trend, peak is 4-6 weeks away. It's going to get ugly(er).
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #169 on: Sat, 21 August 2021, 18:16:01 »
    The CDC-funded study by the University of North Carolina and other institutions paints a grim picture of elementary schools that don’t mask or conduct regular testing.

It projects that about 80 percent of students who are unvaccinated or have not had the virus, labeled susceptible students, will catch the virus in 60 days.

Projections for the entire first semester are that 90 percent of susceptible elementary students would be infected if the precautions aren’t taken.



If they already have the projections, guess we gon' have dead kids save the economy.


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« Reply #170 on: Sun, 22 August 2021, 01:36:15 »

Poison control center calls spike as people take livestock dewormer


Who made that up? Was it Q or Cozy Bear? Are they trying to wipe out their own base?

Ivermectin is also a drug for humans, but the human version requires a prescription, which means going to a doctor - a doctor who is willing to prescribe it off-label. With vaccines and monoclonal antibodies available, I don't think many doctors are willing to prescribe something that's debatable and that the FDA has warned against using. Also, these people probably wouldn't consult a doctor anyway. Without a prescription, the only way to get it is from over-the-counter animal medicine and creams.

I don't really understand the ins and outs of it. Some people say Ivermectin has no effect, some say it has some effect but not much, and some think it's a miracle drug. This is the link to studies I often see https://ivmmeta.com/. I haven't read any of the studies myself since I wouldn't know what to look for and frankly I don't care enough to. From what I remember, there was a study from Egypt that was bogus, and detractors tried to say that invalidated all the other studies.

Proponents say that taking it with zinc and also with food dramatically increases its efficacy because of its fat solubility or something. Also, it's supposedly more effective as a prophylactic treatment because it prevents spike protein binding in the first place (if I recall correctly).



Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

The world has become a weird place.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #171 on: Mon, 23 August 2021, 15:39:49 »
Texas:

As of Friday afternoon,  482 patients were waiting for hospital beds in his 25-county region. He said 211 of those patients are COVID-19 positive.

An additional 120 patients are waiting for an ICU bed. Of those patients, 65 are COVID-19 positive.

Patients are mounting in the lobby, and we have patients waiting in parking lots and we have patients waiting in the back of ambulances in parking lots.



When they say, have to wait for ICU, prolly gon'die no?

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« Reply #172 on: Mon, 23 August 2021, 19:09:47 »
Hahahaha. just hear the term,  Qcumbers.

Funny , but sad for innocent cucumbers.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #173 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 12:41:24 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?

Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.

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« Reply #174 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:11:03 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?
No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.
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« Reply #175 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:17:45 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?

Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.


Although I think it's logical and maybe fairer, it's probably not ethical. My ICU nurse friend said that, at his hospital, vaccination status isn't immediately available on patients; he isn't sure why but it may be to prevent preferential treatment. It would also skew the survivability numbers to treat them differently.

It's also not clear what prioritizing vaccinated patients means. Does that mean just prioritizing vaccinated patients who present with COVID-19 or any patient with any problem? If <10% of COVID-19 patients are vaccinated, would prioritizing them have any meaningful impact? Or would this mean kicking people out of beds when people with other issues come in?
Maybe they're waiting for gasmasks and latex to get sexy again.

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« Reply #176 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:18:53 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?
No doubt here - if you accept there is a problem and try to avoid it you should be rewarded for doing so.

But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.

Maybe they could give the poor+antivax equal prioirty, and exclude the mid-income+antivax or some other distribution relative to income class.

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« Reply #177 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:23:37 »
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.
Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should be shot terminated not pitied.
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« Reply #178 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 13:36:50 »
But the antivax are victims of socio-economic inequality. Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.
Stupid people blindly do what authority tells them, if they're too stupid to recognise a valid authority over some nutjob on youtube they should be shot terminated not pitied.

SOrang and Tp4 got an education + 'puter skillz. (an example)

Poor people kids got to flip burgers so they can buy nikes. (an example)

So, society handed out different bundles to different people, ALONG a socio-economic divide.

Is it fair to then draw the triage on this line. Intellect is not entirely self-actualizing, it requires precursors, the poor are disadvantaged with fewer precursors..



Of course, from the other end, the impartial social planner could say, well, THEIR DEATH is the proof that our economy is TOOOOO unequal, and they then must die as record of the COLLECTIVE mistakes of capitalism.

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« Reply #179 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 14:17:41 »

Being a bit dimmer upstairs is not entirely their fault.


It is not ethical, but so are a lot of other "judgement calls" as they are often referred to. In a non-triage situation, a doctor is generally considered to be ethically bound to save the life of a medically-endangered murderer even if he is then sure to go on trial and be executed in the near future. But are we in a triage situation now, in some areas? Definitely.

The overwhelming majority of people who are not responding to this threat in basic common-sense ways are not doing so because of legitimate mental deficiencies, they are deliberately sabotaging themselves and those around them to "make a statement" as the saying goes.

Why? That is very murky, and to the best of my knowledge no one has ever clearly articulated a coherent explanation. I have heard mumblings of "something something freedom" or "something something conspiracy" or "something something Socialism" or "something something evil gub'ment" but I have never heard anything that seemed logical or backed by information.

The most plausible explanation that I have heard is that these Q-cumbers (thanks TP4, great word) are drowning in feelings of helplessness and powerlessness, and the ability to feel like a walking weapon literally breathing death onto everybody around you must seem profoundly empowering.
 
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« Reply #180 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 15:45:55 »
I'm fairly certain that all sabotage done on the part of the vocal minority (you have to remember that this is not the largest group but it is the loudest), is a defiant stand against the 2020 election, which they still feel was stolen and unfair.  They are upset that their former president (who was the best president in modern day history in their eyes) failed to carry forward.

The answer is to keep the group vocal and "riled up" as much as possible.  Anti-mask and anti-vaccines is a rally for this same group that wanted to "stop the steal" previously.  Now that the vaccine has become authorized for use by the FDA, a new focal point is the Taliban in Afghanistan.  Apparently Biden is unfit to lead because he stopped the charade of US power there.  There's always a laser sharp, hate-filled focus on something that causes a lot of strong feelings on both sides.

Even mainstream Republicans need to keep this up at all costs.  They cannot allow their voter base to lose momentum and become complicit.  They really do believe that failure in 2024 would mean a Republican will never be elected to the office of the president again.  It's quite possible.  The struggle to grab power is blatantly obvious with Rep. Governor's signing anti-mask executive orders and passing voter reform to keep  brown people from voting as easily.

Covid-19 will pass.  It will become endemic.  However… the Republican party might not survive to see it happen.

Keep the base hot, angry, and loud.  AT ALL COSTS.


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« Reply #181 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 16:11:09 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?

Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.

Definitely not ethical.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #182 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 16:32:06 »

Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize Vaccinated patients ?


Definitely not ethical.


But we are past that. Triage situation decisions, by definition, need to supersede ordinary principles.

In certain areas, health care systems are overwhelmed and there is no choice but to ration resources. That choice usually turns on who is most likely to survive ....
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #183 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 21:29:21 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.

If resources are not constrained, yes, it's unethical.
You have enough resources to treat everyone, this is how hospitals normally operate.


If resources ARE constrained, it is not unethical it's actually more ethical.
Not only are vaxx'ed more likely to survive but you are actually now penalizing those who did do what they were asked and rewarding those who did not. If unvaxxed soak up all your resources people who are there through no fault of their own may get less or no treatment. Now, you can argue you can re-proritize, while you can shift your staff you can't pull oxygen back out of a a patient.

And have you met any of these Karens? Do you think they will stand for you treating and then yanking resources? Look at how people are about pulling the plug on dying and brain dead patients. The moment you start treating them you're stuck and even if you can re-prioritize you're going to tie up resources trying (in vain) to reason with them. We already saw this with the woman in Florida who was scouring the state looking for a machine for her husband... That would only extend his suffering another 6-12 hours, it was not going to save him. He had already been on a ventilator for days.

I'm not saying don't treat them, I'm not saying give them bad care, I'm saying don't let them monopolize the medical system to the extent that others who were doing what was asked suffer. 

Had they done this the moment things started going bad, maybe, just maybe some of these people would have considered the consequences and actually taken precautions. Instead they were given permission to be a$$holes and so they were. Once again, look at the anti-maskers who spend 45 minutes arguing with police. Every time they walked away from these confrontations has only emboldened them. They got away with it last time, and the time before that, why would they stop now? 
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #184 on: Tue, 24 August 2021, 22:38:11 »
Do you guys think it's ETHICAL to prioritize  Vaccinated patients ?
Excluding the fact, that they're likely to be prioritized anyway as they're more likely to survive.

If resources are not constrained, yes, it's unethical.
You have enough resources to treat everyone, this is how hospitals normally operate.


If resources ARE constrained, it is not unethical it's actually more ethical.
Not only are vaxx'ed more likely to survive but you are actually now penalizing those who did do what they were asked and rewarding those who did not. If unvaxxed soak up all your resources people who are there through no fault of their own may get less or no treatment.   

That is logical if they by themselves controlled the whole series of unfortunate events.

I'm only suggesting, that BEFORE they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them as such.

So,  their dimness is a handicap not (entirely) of their own choosing, not unlike someone born with 1 arm instead of 2, they are born into intellectual disadvantage, it's just a longer event than 1 armed-ness.


I don't disagree that triage will ultimately prioritize a vaccinated person who is more likely to survive.


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« Reply #185 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 08:56:37 »

they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them

they are born into intellectual disadvantage


This was not "automatic" but I will grant that ignorant and uneducated parents are more likely to raise ignorant and uneducated children. I have had many conversations with Millennials (who grew up watching the Fox TV station) whose heads almost exploded when I tell them that Reagan was an extremely bad president. Their favorite phrase seems to be "everybody knows .... " - followed by some absurdity from the propaganda machines that they have never actually analyzed for accuracy. 

I was an aware adult before the late-1970s, and I can state unequivocally that the social changes precipitated by the Radical Right's civil coup in the early-1980s were engineered with the intent of sowing confusion and distrust for the express purpose of driving a wedge between "We the People" and "In Order to Form a More Perfect Union." Now that we are in the second generation of that process it is fruiting abundantly.

That goal would not have been possible without 2 parallel undercurrents: the crippling of the educational system (and the scuttling of critical thinking in particular), and the establishment of a web of disinformation media within the brand-new realm of cable TV and in the previously-struggling AM radio market, reborn after the abandonment of FCC "fairness" policies. At the time the internet was not even on the horizon, but it has expanded all the other problems exponentially - a web page or a Youtube video is so much easier than reading a book or an in-depth article, especially for those who never really learned to "read" (in the academic or literary sense, that is).

Younger generations are finally seeing the curtain being pulled back. The outrageousness of climate denial will prove to be the stake in the heart of the Right Wing in the US, and the idiotic buffoonery of anti-vaxxers is icing on the cake.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #186 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 09:11:28 »

they became dumb, the socio-economic divide destined them

they are born into intellectual disadvantage


Radical Right's civil coup in the early-1980s

That goal would not have been possible without 2 parallel undercurrents: the crippling of the educational system (and the scuttling of critical thinking in particular), and the establishment of a web of disinformation media within the brand-new realm of cable TV

the heart of the Right Wing in the US, and the idiotic buffoonery of anti-vaxxers is icing on the cake.

I agree that IT HAPPENED, disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.

Everyone upstairs was complicit.

Demo may be better on some points than Rep,  but there's no such thing as a GOOD keeper.

It's always people vs oligarchs.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #187 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 12:30:57 »

disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.

It's always people vs oligarchs.


You are a ignorant child.

Don't imagine that you understand things that happened before you were born.

After the great reversal of the parties a century ago, the Democratic Party has stood for the common good and the Republican Party has defended the power of the wealthy.

Read "The Calculus of Consent" by Buchanan and Tullock if you are unclear on what has happened since Brown v Board of Education.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #188 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 13:33:03 »

disagree that it was a right-wing only agenda.

It's always people vs oligarchs.

After the great reversal of the parties a century ago, the Democratic Party has stood for the common good and the Republican Party has defended the power of the wealthy.

Read "The Calculus of Consent" by Buchanan and Tullock if you are unclear on what has happened since Brown v Board of Education.



Again, you're picking the few worst events and actions,   out of the ENTIRETY of mostly bad actions, and blaming one side.

Is the military industrial complex uniquely republican.

Do only republicans own nooqular power plants.

Are Raytheon, Lockheed, Northrup, Nasa, just republican death merchants. Which president didn't drop bombs.


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« Reply #189 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 14:22:46 »
No, you monotonous and tiring ass.

Nobody is perfect, that is why you look past minor and temporary aberrations.

Take the sum total of what each side has done over the past century and add it up.

The results are stark and unambiguous.
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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #190 on: Wed, 25 August 2021, 15:47:14 »
Take the sum total of what each side has done over the past century and add it up.

The results are stark and unambiguous.

I don't know that, I'm even inclined to agree it may be true,

but Fohat, have you personally done that math, or are you just assuming.

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Re: Antivax ?
« Reply #191 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 13:49:16 »
Alabama:

32yr old pregnant nurse dies of covid 2 days after losing unborn baby to covid.

She leaves behind a husband and a 2yr old, who are now vaccinated with their first dose.

Doctors warn, women at 25-27 weeks of pregnancy are at risk for covid complications.

Vaccines are safe, and recommended to all pregnant women by the CDC.

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« Reply #192 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:14:43 »
Hol'Up,  HALF of icu covid patients die ?

And they have a LINE of people to roll that dice ?

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« Reply #193 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:20:11 »
When your lungs don't work filling them with oxygen isn't a really fix - all of them would have died had they stayed at home.
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« Reply #194 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:35:32 »
At least birds of a feather flock together.

https://www.newsweek.com/anti-vaccination-lawyer-capitol-rioters-now-ventilator-covid-19-1623155

TL;DR - "The entire 82nd Airborne couldn't make me get an experimental government vaccine stuck in my arm."
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« Reply #195 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 14:35:37 »
When your lungs don't work filling them with oxygen isn't a really fix - all of them would have died had they stayed at home.

Intense quote, an ICU NURSE:

I can't deal anymore arguing with my pt(patients) to please keep the bipap on because your lungs can't handle being without them, only to be screamed at because they want to eat; and coincidentally their husband was screaming at me earlier because the pt's O2 dipped below 89 earlier and how dare we let that happen, but she's sitting there at 62% now wanting a hamburger and I "am a complete monster" for taking it away from her.

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« Reply #196 on: Thu, 26 August 2021, 15:02:10 »
Well that certainly doesn't help their chances
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« Reply #197 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 08:05:32 »
Wife hospitalized for covid. Released from hospital.

Comes home,   finds Husband Dead (covid) in the bedroom with 3 distressed dogs.


The saddest part is the guy is an electrical/mechanical engineer, 

Allegedly they were not antivax, they were (Vaccine Hesitant)

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« Reply #198 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 10:29:50 »
Apparently vaccines reduce chances of needing to go to the hospital for a Covid infection 20-fold, and needing IC treatment 33-fold. (sauce: https://www.nu.nl/coronavirus/6153673/na-coronaprik-is-kans-op-ziekenhuisopname-20-keer-kleiner-kans-op-ic-33-keer-kleiner.html , in Dutch).

True figures may be slightly different but it just goes to show, you know. I mean, I seriously don't understand why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.
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« Reply #199 on: Fri, 27 August 2021, 12:06:01 »

why people need encouragement to gt vaccinated.


In the US that is not the case at all. At this point, anybody who is not vaccinated is probably militantly opposed to the existence of the vaccine itself.

To the point that they are willing to intimidate and even assault people for simply getting the vaccine or wearing a mask in public.
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