Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 11 October 2015, 16:49:49
A picture is worth a thousand words. I guess i dont have to explain much and i make it short. This keyset is made to honor Yuri Gagarin.
First round will be done in Cherry profile and manufactured by GMK.
Base kit
(http://i.imgur.com/sgZYogm.png)
International kit
(http://i.imgur.com/6rtO1BL.png)
Cyrillic kit
(http://i.imgur.com/A347G5o.png)
DC kit
(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Icon mods kit
(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
Ergodox/Planck kit
(http://i.imgur.com/FSvrMFd.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Community kit
(http://i.imgur.com/iAeUJaT.png)
Spacebar kit
(http://i.imgur.com/B4OR9AA.png)
Glorious keys
(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
Drop renders from Zambumon:
(http://i.imgur.com/pBzW1xk.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gezESUl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/SNoCDZU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1g0IzvA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/OC8HKy2.png)
Vote for icon direction: http://www.strawpoll.me/12732747
Post by: suicidal_orange on Sun, 11 October 2015, 17:02:17
It's a shame the Cyrillic will probably be too expensive, it fits the theme nicely.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 11 October 2015, 17:06:04
Really like these colours - not too bright or too boring. I'm slightly biased because it has orange though :thumb:
It's a shame the Cyrillic will probably be too expensive, it fits the theme nicely.
Yeah we were quite upset with cyrillics while brainstorming.
Yep your nickname is very biased :p
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 11 October 2015, 17:09:43
Post by: trenzafeeds on Sun, 11 October 2015, 17:10:57
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 11 October 2015, 18:17:33
Too bad the cyrillic legends look like a no-go. It would make for a very unique set.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 18:27:39
Post by: olijuice on Sun, 11 October 2015, 19:21:20
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 11 October 2015, 21:50:45
Glad someone realized the fundamental history of Yuri Gargarin's "First Human into Space" made after he accomplished it. During a difficult time when flying into space was purely a guess and a large amount of luck, if you came back down in one piece.
Plus he was a an extremely decent fellow that should be acknowledged among everyone in the world today, regardless of where he was born and where he had grown up, a real hero by every sense of the word.
Thanks for posting this because I would definitely buy some of these key-sets for my Filcos and Cherry's.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 11 October 2015, 22:03:55
Couldn't care less which profile, because I am a lover of all Key-set Profiles regardless of who makes them (just choose wisely on which profile to use that will last with Yuri's name).
Glad someone realized the fundamental history of Yuri Gargarin's "First Human into Space" made after he accomplished it. During a difficult time when flying into space was purely a guess and a large amount of luck, if you came back down in one piece.
Plus he was a an extremely decent fellow that should be acknowledged among everyone in the world today, regardless of where he was born and where he had grown up, a real hero by every sense of the word.
Thanks for posting this because I would definitely buy some of these key-sets for my Filcos and Cherry's.
Where have you been Sir Elrick? This place is not the same without your prose, so move those fingers, and give us more of it.
Post by: keyboardia1 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 01:45:39
Post by: dyrdevil on Mon, 12 October 2015, 01:48:40
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 12 October 2015, 02:27:59
Post by: just66in on Mon, 12 October 2015, 04:04:38
Post by: t8c on Mon, 12 October 2015, 04:28:09
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 12 October 2015, 04:40:31
From what I can tell, V1, UN6037 and N9 look the closest in terms of the standard GMK palette. It may be possible to get custom colour batches of ABS for GMK, but I'm not certain of that and the cost could be prohibitive.
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Post by: Sent on Mon, 12 October 2015, 04:46:30
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:00:34
That Cyrillic version is pretty hot. I passed this along to Bunny regarding getting JTK involved. We'll see what he says. :)
Just wished I had spoken and written in Russian as well (Putin is now my Hero) 8) .
This would be the HOTTEST Cyrillic Version that would ever be released into GMK (if ever done).
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:03:16
Edit
I read the post about Cyrillic not being viable so do you have anything else in mind for this set ?
Post by: Sent on Mon, 12 October 2015, 05:09:32
This would be the HOTTEST Cyrillic Version that would ever be released into GMK (if ever done).
My secret dream is pink Cyrillic. Maybe one day. :'(
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:14:57
That Cyrillic version is pretty hot. I passed this along to Bunny regarding getting JTK involved. We'll see what he says. :)
Isn't the prerogative of the OP to contact Bunny or any other potential manufacturer for the set? Just wondering.
Post by: zabuza1997 on Mon, 12 October 2015, 07:56:54
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 12 October 2015, 09:55:13
Post by: harlw on Mon, 12 October 2015, 11:01:51
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 12 October 2015, 12:55:22
I'm not %100 sure but wouldnt this be a no go for GMK due to the custom legends. GMK Cyrillic was done through pad printing. I know there is a number of people who did not mind it because of the uv coating but I hated it. If I'm right about this SP and JTK would be your only hopes
Edit
I read the post about Cyrillic not being viable so do you have anything else in mind for this set ?
I think we could make at least cyrillic alphas (modifiers excluded). Russian alphabet has 33 letters. 12 of these letters are available in latin. So i need to make 21 new legends. I asume a tkl version (in a standard GB) could cost between 120 and 150$. I think i am able to reverse engineer Gorton Modified Font from SP and make missing cyrillic letters. I have to scan those of course.
Lets go through the russian alphabet:
A - is available
Б - can be made out of B
B - is available
Г - upsidedown L
Д - This one has to be handmade
Е - is available
Ё - almost available
Ж - double K one is mirrored
З - 3 (three)
И - N mirror
Й - N mirror with this birdy
К - is available
Л - easy one is /\ tight together else handmade using I
М - is available
Н - is available
О - is available
П - two I top bound
Р - is available
С - is available
Т - is available
У - can be build out of Y
Ф - 0|0 or O|O cut and bound together
Х - is available
Ц - reverse П with tail
Ч - can be made out H
Ш - III bound at the bottom
Щ - same as Ш but with tail
Ъ - can be made out of B
Ы - B and I
Ь - reworked B
Э - reworked widened O
Ю - I and O bound together
Я - mirror R
So besically its doable but requires nice/perfect scans. And ofcourse is gorton modified and then it will be manufactured by SP. And costs hell a lot of money. But once its done it can be used for future projects by community. That was my plan so far.
As alternative we can frontprint them.
Post by: nguyenkimtam on Mon, 12 October 2015, 16:24:26
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:04:09
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:29:34
I've been looking for an SA set to jump on, and I can definitely get behind this.
I'd love to see capslock become comrade though. :))
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 12 October 2015, 17:45:53
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 12 October 2015, 19:05:13
I'm not %100 sure but wouldnt this be a no go for GMK due to the custom legends. GMK Cyrillic was done through pad printing. I know there is a number of people who did not mind it because of the uv coating but I hated it. If I'm right about this SP and JTK would be your only hopes
Edit
I read the post about Cyrillic not being viable so do you have anything else in mind for this set ?
I think we could make at least cyrillic alphas (modifiers excluded). Russian alphabet has 33 letters. 12 of these letters are available in latin. So i need to make 21 new legends. I asume a tkl version (in a standard GB) could cost between 120 and 150$. I think i am able to reverse engineer Gorton Modified Font from SP and make missing cyrillic letters. I have to scan those of course.
Lets go through the russian alphabet:
A - is available
Б - can be made out of B
B - is available
Г - upsidedown L
Д - This one has to be handmade
Е - is available
Ё - almost available
Ж - double K one is mirrored
З - 3 (three)
И - N mirror
Й - N mirror with this birdy
К - is available
Л - easy one is /\ tight together else handmade using I
М - is available
Н - is available
О - is available
П - two I top bound
Р - is available
С - is available
Т - is available
У - can be build out of Y
Ф - 0|0 or O|O cut and bound together
Х - is available
Ц - reverse П with tail
Ч - can be made out H
Ш - III bound at the bottom
Щ - same as Ш but with tail
Ъ - can be made out of B
Ы - B and I
Ь - reworked B
Э - reworked widened O
Ю - I and O bound together
Я - mirror R
So besically its doable but requires nice/perfect scans. And of course is gorton modified and then it will be manufactured by SP. And costs hell a lot of money. But once its done it can be used for future projects by community. That was my plan so far.
As alternative we can frontprint them.
Having all the Cyrillics Front Printed, like what was done with Matt3o's Retro Commodore Key-set, that would be so cool and perhaps the ONLY key-set ever released to have that done.
Very interested in seeing a Front Printed version happen because no way will it ever come off by touching it with your fingers, throughout the life of that key-set.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 12 October 2015, 19:27:13
Post by: Sent on Mon, 12 October 2015, 19:28:04
Isn't the prerogative of the OP to contact Bunny or any other potential manufacturer for the set? Just wondering.
Normally, I wouldn't have done anything. However, from the OP it seems like he might not have looked into JTK all that much and/or may not know to ask Bunny. I also know Bunny doesn't generally frequent this section so I just wanted to make sure that he'd seen it in case it was something he may be interested in. If either party wants to contact the other after this, that's on them. That's all.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 12 October 2015, 19:29:18
I'm a huge fan of the colors you've selected. :thumb: If it works with GMK, I would be all over this assuming that the colors match well.
+1 It has great colors, if it comes to life in Cherry profile and with pad printed Cyrillic it would be a hit.
Post by: Data on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:06:19
So many great keysets lately...
Post by: thesiscamper on Mon, 12 October 2015, 20:12:37
Post by: Kliwon on Mon, 12 October 2015, 21:22:51
Cyrillic & SA profile :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:07:07
I'm not %100 sure but wouldnt this be a no go for GMK due to the custom legends. GMK Cyrillic was done through pad printing. I know there is a number of people who did not mind it because of the uv coating but I hated it. If I'm right about this SP and JTK would be your only hopes
Edit
I read the post about Cyrillic not being viable so do you have anything else in mind for this set ?
I think we could make at least cyrillic alphas (modifiers excluded). Russian alphabet has 33 letters. 12 of these letters are available in latin. So i need to make 21 new legends. I asume a tkl version (in a standard GB) could cost between 120 and 150$. I think i am able to reverse engineer Gorton Modified Font from SP and make missing cyrillic letters. I have to scan those of course.
Lets go through the russian alphabet:
A - is available
Б - can be made out of B
B - is available
Г - upsidedown L
Д - This one has to be handmade
Е - is available
Ё - almost available
Ж - double K one is mirrored
З - 3 (three)
И - N mirror
Й - N mirror with this birdy
К - is available
Л - easy one is /\ tight together else handmade using I
М - is available
Н - is available
О - is available
П - two I top bound
Р - is available
С - is available
Т - is available
У - can be build out of Y
Ф - 0|0 or O|O cut and bound together
Х - is available
Ц - reverse П with tail
Ч - can be made out H
Ш - III bound at the bottom
Щ - same as Ш but with tail
Ъ - can be made out of B
Ы - B and I
Ь - reworked B
Э - reworked widened O
Ю - I and O bound together
Я - mirror R
So besically its doable but requires nice/perfect scans. And of course is gorton modified and then it will be manufactured by SP. And costs hell a lot of money. But once its done it can be used for future projects by community. That was my plan so far.
As alternative we can frontprint them.
Having all the Cyrillics Front Printed, like what was done with Matt3o's Retro Commodore Key-set, that would be so cool and perhaps the ONLY key-set ever released to have that done.
Very interested in seeing a Front Printed version happen because no way will it ever come off by touching it with your fingers, throughout the life of that key-set.
Actually i do not fear the work to make it in doubleshot cyrillic. It will take some time. I think its worth to try it out.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:09:20
I'm a huge fan of the colors you've selected. :thumb: If it works with GMK, I would be all over this assuming that the colors match well.I am still trying to get in touch with GMK. Need to get my hands on their color chips. Also want to know about their capabilities. If these colors are doable by GMK then for sure this will be done by GMK.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:12:56
Isn't the prerogative of the OP to contact Bunny or any other potential manufacturer for the set? Just wondering.
Normally, I wouldn't have done anything. However, from the OP it seems like he might not have looked into JTK all that much and/or may not know to ask Bunny. I also know Bunny doesn't generally frequent this section so I just wanted to make sure that he'd seen it in case it was something he may be interested in. If either party wants to contact the other after this, that's on them. That's all.
I have nothing against it and i am also curious about the JTK colorpalette. So if this is possible with JTK then i would love it to be made by JTK.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:33:33
Post by: bcredbottle on Tue, 13 October 2015, 00:35:33
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 October 2015, 07:30:59
Isn't the prerogative of the OP to contact Bunny or any other potential manufacturer for the set? Just wondering.
Normally, I wouldn't have done anything. However, from the OP it seems like he might not have looked into JTK all that much and/or may not know to ask Bunny. I also know Bunny doesn't generally frequent this section so I just wanted to make sure that he'd seen it in case it was something he may be interested in. If either party wants to contact the other after this, that's on them. That's all.
I have nothing against it and i am also curious about the JTK colorpalette. So if this is possible with JTK then i would love it to be made by JTK.
All efforts are adding nicely, this is a good example of a community job; excellent attitude guys.
:thumb:
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:01:34
Post by: ideus on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:03:24
I've got to admit, the colors on this set are very nice. So many nice sets starting to pop up now. I'll have to see what the wallet says once we're closer but good work.
Do not count on your wallet, she is a whining chicken. You should keep her under control not allowing her to get fat, ever.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 October 2015, 15:44:59
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I hate non monospaced Fonts.
That Ж needs some work i guess... Ю is so so. Its ok.
Post by: Niomosy on Tue, 13 October 2015, 17:06:39
I've got to admit, the colors on this set are very nice. So many nice sets starting to pop up now. I'll have to see what the wallet says once we're closer but good work.
Do not count on your wallet, she is a whining chicken. You should keep her under control not allowing her to get fat, ever.
Oh, my spending cash never lasts tremendously long. However, with the Dasher/Dancer sets, Troubled Minds, and Axios keyboard in the wings, that cash is likely going to have its limitations especially with the fact that I'd like to pick up a couple pair of nice leather soled shoes, each pair of which will cost more than the entirety of what I just listed for keyboard stuff.
My side money earnings are going to have to increase :D
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 14 October 2015, 03:38:53
• Standard Line thicknesses for various character heights are as follows:
? 0.100" and 0.125" Upper Case Characters : 0.015", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.100" and 0.125" Lower Case Characters: 0.012", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.150" and 0.187" Upper and Lower Case Characters: 0.020", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.230" Upper and Lower Case Characters: 0.025", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 14 October 2015, 05:44:02
I've got to admit, the colors on this set are very nice. So many nice sets starting to pop up now. I'll have to see what the wallet says once we're closer but good work.
Do not count on your wallet, she is a whining chicken. You should keep her under control not allowing her to get fat, ever.
You've got to listen to Ideus because he has finally controlled his wallet with great patience and determination 8) .
Keeping her properly fit makes her even more desirable for further purchases as time goes by.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 October 2015, 11:20:54
Looks like you have to make around 20 or so custom legends. That'll cost $1000 or so, depending on if any need adjustment. Could be absorbed in the GB cost, but will raise the prices a bit depending on order numbers. The most accurate way to have these made to match existing Gorton legends is to submit them to SP in "line font" form. You provide the centre line path, line thickness and positioning of the letters only. That way the line thickness will be consistent and you don't have to worry about how good the scans of the originals are. You can also adjust them to be exactly the height / thickness from this chart:
• Standard Line thicknesses for various character heights are as follows:
? 0.100" and 0.125" Upper Case Characters : 0.015", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.100" and 0.125" Lower Case Characters: 0.012", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.150" and 0.187" Upper and Lower Case Characters: 0.020", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
? 0.230" Upper and Lower Case Characters: 0.025", +/- 0.002" Line thickness
Carbon introduced almost 15 new custom legends. This one needs 6 more. I dont think that would be so expensive. Indeed 1000 dollars sounds huge but devided on several kits i think you will barelly feel it.
Anyway after examination of DSA and SA fonts i have to admit those are different. Now i have to wait until i get my Carbon in my hands then i can do the proper scans. Thinking about very high resolution scans by some company. Got Filco SA but it uses different font.
Post by: potatowire on Wed, 14 October 2015, 18:49:29
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 16 October 2015, 14:36:41
The IC is older than this.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 16 October 2015, 17:08:21
Sry guys i think we have to close this. Saw this on DeskthorityShow Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/sa-dancer-in-3d-mockup/24025)
The IC is older than this.
Oh crap! That looks IDENTICAL to yours right down to the red cyrillic font, even has the same inspiration... oh wait... no. What are you talking about?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 16 October 2015, 17:40:19
Sry guys i think we have to close this. Saw this on DeskthorityShow Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/sa-dancer-in-3d-mockup/24025)
The IC is older than this.
Oh crap! That looks IDENTICAL to yours right down to the red cyrillic font, even has the same inspiration... oh wait... no. What are you talking about?
You are right. I get slowly colorblind from the new sets popping up :p
Post by: rrrsss on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:31:40
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 October 2015, 07:49:30
i like this set. interested what you have for planck users! :thumb:There is nothing special about my plans for planck. Either it will get its own set of alphas for 1-2-3-4 rows or the rows will be 2-3-4-1. The second row combo will get row 1 reverted.
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 22 October 2015, 20:45:43
Post by: Kad on Fri, 23 October 2015, 00:27:27
Post by: HTN47 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 00:31:27
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 23 October 2015, 11:17:22
Looking at GMK, they got some quality issues last time. Look at Hyperfuse and TA. Anyway i hardly believe their colorpalette could match YURIs colorway. I still would love to run it in cherry profile. Quite sad for me.
So it looks like this keyset will run through SP. Ofcourse SA Profile and with cyrillic legends. For Cyrillics i have to talk to Melissa. Either SP makes the cyrillics or i have to make some svgs for it. But its doable. It will just take some time.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 11:54:45
:thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 23 October 2015, 17:37:01
It will look cool in SA; still, it is not my preferred profile. Even then, I may get one, just for the sake of its novelty.
:thumb:
I did small update on the first page. If you want to see some possible novelties, there are some examples.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Fri, 23 October 2015, 18:35:31
It will look cool in SA; still, it is not my preferred profile. Even then, I may get one, just for the sake of its novelty.
:thumb:
I did small update on the first page. If you want to see some possible novelties, there are some examples.
The Planck looks great! Can't wait for this set!!
Post by: harlw on Fri, 23 October 2015, 19:23:48
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.
(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 19:28:08
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 19:29:04
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
Could you make this render with regular alphas and modifiers with Russian legends?
Post by: harlw on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:15:15
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
Could you make this render with regular alphas and modifiers with Russian legends?
Sure - if someone wants to drop me the legends in vector or high-res PNG, I'm strapped for time or I would do it myself.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:23:46
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
Could you make this render with regular alphas and modifiers with Russian legends?
Sure - if someone wants to drop me the legends in vector or high-res PNG, I'm strapped for time or I would do it myself.
Maybe the OP could send them, the combination of regular alphas with Russian mods would be awesome.
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 24 October 2015, 07:33:35
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:36:24
I spoke to Bunny about the possibility of running a group buy for JTK a while ago - just so you know, they have taped out their releases for something like the next 6 months and won't be doing any user submitted ones until those are completedYeah i can understand that the pipeline is filled. Anyway even if YURI runs through SP then this will happen only next summer, as their scedule plan has been overflown too. I actually got time else i would work out and represent all the child deals already. Its not a big deal for me as i got most of my templates from Carbon.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:39:20
A modifiers set with legends in Russian offered separately would make an awesome alternative to regular English legends.Those are my thoughts too. Personally i would love to place legends in corners so you can have latin and cyrillic at the same time but i love to much those centered big legends.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:51:23
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
Could you make this render with regular alphas and modifiers with Russian legends?
Sure - if someone wants to drop me the legends in vector or high-res PNG, I'm strapped for time or I would do it myself.
Maybe the OP could send them, the combination of regular alphas with Russian mods would be awesome.
I have to find out if SP can make cyrillic legends by their own or i have to make it for them. If i do it by myself, then i can provide the legends (svgs) to harlw. Last time i was confused by Modern Selectric as it uses bold Gorton Modified font. But jukebox has the light version which i also used on DSA DeepSpace. Due to the shape of DSA Profile its the perfect one to make the scans. Cyrillic Gorton Modified is doable. However as i said, i have to find out if SP can make it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 08:57:53
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
If you like i can provide you SVGs for novelties so you can play around with it. For the cyrillics: there is no free rounded font with support for cyrillics. Gotham Rounded does not support them. The only one is VAG Rounded Cyrillic and its license costs some money. I could by it but you need this license too for renders.
Post by: harlw on Sat, 24 October 2015, 10:49:03
Just wanted to show my enthusiasm for this set. I'd love to create some custom legends for the mods if would like.
edit: I generally wait until the set is near the GB stage to do the legends as I couldn't afford to create legends for a bunch of sets that never go to market.Show Image(https://s3.amazonaws.com/f.cl.ly/items/0Z3w3r3J2e0u241y030k/Image%202015-10-23%20at%207.20.20%20PM.png)
If you like i can provide you SVGs for novelties so you can play around with it. For the cyrillics: there is no free rounded font with support for cyrillics. Gotham Rounded does not support them. The only one is VAG Rounded Cyrillic and its license costs some money. I could by it but you need this license too for renders.
I have a legit copy of the Gotham library so it's a shame it doesn't support it...it should for $800 but watevs :/
I have a copy of VAG rounded - I don't mind using it for mock-ups as long as *someone* owns the license if it actually goes into production.
Post by: whmeltonjr on Sat, 24 October 2015, 11:55:52
Post by: malaik0 on Sat, 24 October 2015, 12:11:30
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Sat, 24 October 2015, 12:21:02
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:15:32
Love the design! Just curious, why are DSA and DCS not options if you go through Signature Plastics? Is it just a preference or is there a production rationale?
If we're talking cylindrical profile keycaps like DCS the reason is because everyone found out about GMK and they are preferable to DCS for most people. I think everyone just got a bit sick of DSA
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:17:09
Love the design! Just curious, why are DSA and DCS not options if you go through Signature Plastics? Is it just a preference or is there a production rationale?
Own myself DSA and SA keysets. For my personal preference i wish they could double the thickness for DSA and DCS profiles. Its all about the resonance the keycaps provide (for me). It affects the sound and feel. I want deep sound and less vibration. Now the SA profile has same thickness for second shot but only on its edge. The main body (core) has double thickness, as it combines the first and the second shot. Also due to its form it has an specific sound which sounds very good.
In short SA feels, sounds and looks the best compared to DCS and DSA profile. There are also the downsides of SA Profile. You will not be able to feel the switch (say bumpy switches like Clears) as you will do it with DSA profile. Also its tall profile intensifies the wobbliness of switches (depending on housing and the slider).
You might say you don't like how SA looks, but almost everyone who owns SA Profile keyset knows how they feel and why they are so good. Most people who complain about SA profile have neither tested it nor do they own it. Ofcourse there are paople who own SA keyset and dont like it but its a minority. Now dont judge me i tell you only about my experience and people i talked to about SA. Just want to say do not judge about something that you haven't tested by yourself.
Anyway as alternative i can only imagine Cherry profile. Thick cherry profile.
Post by: switchnollie on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:25:45
Could see it in Cherry or SA but would prefer Cherry since I recently got some GMK caps which I like over SP SA.
Post by: Kerpadge on Sat, 24 October 2015, 13:52:59
Post by: Stev on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:32:25
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 24 October 2015, 18:55:44
This set looks amazing, would definitely be interested
I agree. The color palette and overall theme of this set are very exciting. Can't wait to see them go to production.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 24 October 2015, 19:05:23
Post by: b32147 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 16:03:12
This set looks amazing, would definitely be interested
Same here. The color selected for the legends is perfect. Great design!
Post by: alexjd99 on Sun, 25 October 2015, 17:52:47
Post by: Kola93 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 03:13:42
Perhaps SA would be best. I really look forward to it. DSA is not as recommended. Go for SA! ^-^
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 06 November 2015, 02:13:47
I always wanted to learn Russian. I suppose now's a good time to start. :))
Post by: TheSoundofTyping on Fri, 06 November 2015, 02:33:40
Post by: harlw on Mon, 09 November 2015, 09:04:56
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 09 November 2015, 10:28:04
Let's do this, where u at OP? *slap*
I have to work out cyrillics. Anyway dont know if we should run it through MD or PMK. Making child deals is not a big problem as i got a quite ready to go mockups.
Post by: Rev. on Mon, 09 November 2015, 14:05:38
Will you be releasing this as a set that can fit a 60% keyboard like the Pok3r?
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 09 November 2015, 15:43:39
Post by: gabba-gool on Mon, 09 November 2015, 18:31:39
But really, this is a gorgeous set. Would look great with a white case. It would be cool to see what novelties could pop up with this set.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 09 November 2015, 20:36:27
...but almost everyone who owns SA Profile keyset knows how they feel and why they are so good. Most people who complain about SA profile have neither tested it nor do they own it. Ofcourse there are paople who own SA keyset and dont like it but its a minority. Now dont judge me i tell you only about my experience and people i talked to about SA. Just want to say do not judge about something that you haven't tested by yourself.
There are plenty of us who tried out SA years ago ago when it first started getting popular and left it. Now, when many of us see SA in an IC or GB subject line, we just move along. No sense in looking if it's a profile I've tried and rejected. No reason to go in and moan at the people who are interested, that's their thing and they'll make their own decision. But don't think that everyone who tries SA loves it. Simply not true. I've talked to more long-time geekhackers who tried SA and didn't like it than who tried it and did.
Regardless of what profile you use, the colors look amazing! I love the Yuri theme, and you've captured that vintage space vibe well. Love the large legends; they remind me of R3 which I still have and use. I wish JTK were available to produce, but that's how it goes sometime. If you do this through GMK, count me in! Would being in Germany allow you to monitor quality any better than the other recent GMK GB's? Karura, who's running Skidata, seems to think that the quality issues can easily be overcome.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 November 2015, 20:41:44
Post by: heedpantsnow on Mon, 09 November 2015, 20:53:24
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Mon, 09 November 2015, 22:15:13
Post by: scoobs0311 on Tue, 10 November 2015, 10:27:19
Post by: turboloser on Tue, 10 November 2015, 19:39:18
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 10 November 2015, 19:43:11
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 10 November 2015, 19:51:45
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
It really wasn't that bad for a first time - I imagine that Massdrop was probably rushing GMK as well
Post by: turboloser on Tue, 10 November 2015, 22:11:41
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Tue, 10 November 2015, 22:57:55
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
You see this is what I've wondered for some time as well. Why not give the SA sets some nice texture for ***** sake? :confused: Another question, which I imagine has logical answer likely referring to the manufacturing process, but why not create SA sets in PBT?
Post by: Oobly on Wed, 11 November 2015, 06:10:30
Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
You see this is what I've wondered for some time as well. Why not give the SA sets some nice texture for ***** sake? :confused: Another question, which I imagine has logical answer likely referring to the manufacturing process, but why not create SA sets in PBT?
The Commando set was (mostly) in "matte" finish which is textured.
SA do not have 1.75u, 2.25u, 2.75u or spacebar molds in that finish, so those caps came in "semi-matte", which is what practically all current SA sets are made in, as it's the only finish that they a complete set of molds for (hehe, nice to be able to say "complete" without adding an exception about the shifts). They can make some sizes in proper "gloss", too. It works well for the profile, IMHO.
They are capable of manufacturing 1u PBT caps and did make a small batch to show a customer, but don't have holders for dyesubbing them and do not plan to make any more in future. Matt3o is working on another angle for vintage spherical PBT caps over at DT: http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805.html
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Wed, 11 November 2015, 08:29:04
Whoa... :eek: this -->(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
You see this is what I've wondered for some time as well. Why not give the SA sets some nice texture for ***** sake? :confused: Another question, which I imagine has logical answer likely referring to the manufacturing process, but why not create SA sets in PBT?
The Commando set was (mostly) in "matte" finish which is textured.
SA do not have 1.75u, 2.25u, 2.75u or spacebar molds in that finish, so those caps came in "semi-matte", which is what practically all current SA sets are made in, as it's the only finish that they a complete set of molds for (hehe, nice to be able to say "complete" without adding an exception about the shifts). They can make some sizes in proper "gloss", too. It works well for the profile, IMHO.
They are capable of manufacturing 1u PBT caps and did make a small batch to show a customer, but don't have holders for dyesubbing them and do not plan to make any more in future. Matt3o is working on another angle for vintage spherical PBT caps over at DT: http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805.html
Post by: Waateva on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:01:31
Whoa... :eek: this -->Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
You see this is what I've wondered for some time as well. Why not give the SA sets some nice texture for ***** sake? :confused: Another question, which I imagine has logical answer likely referring to the manufacturing process, but why not create SA sets in PBT?
The Commando set was (mostly) in "matte" finish which is textured.
SA do not have 1.75u, 2.25u, 2.75u or spacebar molds in that finish, so those caps came in "semi-matte", which is what practically all current SA sets are made in, as it's the only finish that they a complete set of molds for (hehe, nice to be able to say "complete" without adding an exception about the shifts). They can make some sizes in proper "gloss", too. It works well for the profile, IMHO.
They are capable of manufacturing 1u PBT caps and did make a small batch to show a customer, but don't have holders for dyesubbing them and do not plan to make any more in future. Matt3o is working on another angle for vintage spherical PBT caps over at DT: http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805.htmlShow Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Why do the edges look kind of distorted?
Post by: UTEster750 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:12:48
Whoa... :eek: this -->Are the colors, or something similar, available with GMK? I think the OP has pointed that the Germans do not have matching colors for the design.
I know GMK's color pallette is sparse compared to SP. Like orange for example. GMK has...1 orange. SP has 5 shades of orange.
It's really sad too, and when they do a custom color you get issues like TA did.
Don't say it like it's a guarantee. :P That was the first and only time. One data point hardly indicates a trend. ;)
I'm just... Saiyan, I wish that GMK did more colors.
There are so many projects that people could get off the ground if they did. I don't really mind all of the SP sets I've bought thus far but there is definitely some biting quality issues that stand out.
Also - feel free to call me dumb but why are SA keycaps glossed? Or rather, lacking texture - it is something that irks me especially now that I've placed around with them for an extended period of time.
You see this is what I've wondered for some time as well. Why not give the SA sets some nice texture for ***** sake? :confused: Another question, which I imagine has logical answer likely referring to the manufacturing process, but why not create SA sets in PBT?
The Commando set was (mostly) in "matte" finish which is textured.
SA do not have 1.75u, 2.25u, 2.75u or spacebar molds in that finish, so those caps came in "semi-matte", which is what practically all current SA sets are made in, as it's the only finish that they a complete set of molds for (hehe, nice to be able to say "complete" without adding an exception about the shifts). They can make some sizes in proper "gloss", too. It works well for the profile, IMHO.
They are capable of manufacturing 1u PBT caps and did make a small batch to show a customer, but don't have holders for dyesubbing them and do not plan to make any more in future. Matt3o is working on another angle for vintage spherical PBT caps over at DT: http://deskthority.net/workshop-f7/hi-profile-pbt-dye-sub-the-time-has-come-t10805.htmlShow Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Why do the edges look kind of distorted?
I think it is just the light shining off the caps.
Post by: phosphoric on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:18:35
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 15:22:47
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:12:02
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
Post by: FuriousGeorge on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:23:42
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:40:41
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
Check Oobly's post that you responded to above. ;)
Post by: SL89 on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:41:50
Post by: Glenmael on Thu, 12 November 2015, 16:46:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 12 November 2015, 17:28:23
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
SP offers for SA Profile: glossy, semi-matte and matte surfaces. What you are looking for is the matte surface as it has the most texture and is rough. Sadly glossy and matte surfaces are missing some keys for specific rows and key sizes. So this is why the most SA keysets out there are using semi-matte surface. This also came into consideration making Carbon glossy or matte. So thats my research.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Thu, 12 November 2015, 18:55:39
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
SP offers for SA Profile: glossy, semi-matte and matte surfaces. What you are looking for is the matte surface as it has the most texture and is rough. Sadly glossy and matte surfaces are missing some keys for specific rows and key sizes. So this is why the most SA keysets out there are using semi-matte surface. This also came into consideration making Carbon glossy or matte. So thats my research.
Ohhhh so that's why so many people were excited about the semi-matte row 4 shift key! I'll definitely have to keep my eyes out for a matte SA group buy then. Thank you for the info T0mb3ry!
Post by: nocturalowl on Fri, 13 November 2015, 10:42:10
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 13 November 2015, 13:17:14
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
SP offers for SA Profile: glossy, semi-matte and matte surfaces. What you are looking for is the matte surface as it has the most texture and is rough. Sadly glossy and matte surfaces are missing some keys for specific rows and key sizes. So this is why the most SA keysets out there are using semi-matte surface. This also came into consideration making Carbon glossy or matte. So thats my research.
Ohhhh so that's why so many people were excited about the semi-matte row 4 shift key! I'll definitely have to keep my eyes out for a matte SA group buy then. Thank you for the info T0mb3ry!
You should keep in mind that each surface requires its mold which costs a lot of money. The people (including me) are happy for row 4 shifts because each mold costs like 5k bucks. As you know we got like 4 different shift sizes which means SP invested around 20k $ in those. Doing the same for matte surfaces will cost a hell lot of money. Dont know if SP will do that.
Post by: thatsmrdoctortoyou on Fri, 13 November 2015, 14:57:51
Whoa... :eek: this -->Show Image(http://deskthority.net/resources/image/15274)<-- is a dream profile/material for me. Just look at that wonderful texture! I really hope PBT hi-pro happens.
Texture is a function of mold design, not keycap material. At least, in a macro (visible) sense.
That makes sense, thanks for the clarification. So would that mean that Signature Plastics only owns the one SA mold which has a smooth finish? Or is there a large enough portion of the population who prefer a smooth finish on the SA profile for SP to justify only using the one mold? I've just always been curious as to why the SA keycaps, from SP as least, come without texture.
SP offers for SA Profile: glossy, semi-matte and matte surfaces. What you are looking for is the matte surface as it has the most texture and is rough. Sadly glossy and matte surfaces are missing some keys for specific rows and key sizes. So this is why the most SA keysets out there are using semi-matte surface. This also came into consideration making Carbon glossy or matte. So thats my research.
Ohhhh so that's why so many people were excited about the semi-matte row 4 shift key! I'll definitely have to keep my eyes out for a matte SA group buy then. Thank you for the info T0mb3ry!
You should keep in mind that each surface requires its mold which costs a lot of money. The people (including me) are happy for row 4 shifts because each mold costs like 5k bucks. As you know we got like 4 different shift sizes which means SP invested around 20k $ in those. Doing the same for matte surfaces will cost a hell lot of money. Dont know if SP will do that.
Yeah I agree with you on that, pretty unlikely SP would invest that much into a completing the SA profile with matte texture. Very interesting though. I would love to tour SP and see exactly what all goes into creating keysets. I definitely had no idea that molds would cost that much.
Post by: building_an_ergo on Fri, 20 November 2015, 01:09:16
And I love the look of it.
I would buy two sets of this for my two boards if it ever comes out.
Only comment I have is, can we change the name to "Gagarin"?
Yuri also means "Explicit lesbian relationships in anime or manga".
It is a pretty common word on the web now-a-days for lesbian sex in general.
Post by: turboloser on Fri, 20 November 2015, 01:20:08
I love the idea behind this design.
And I love the look of it.
I would buy two sets of this for my two boards if it ever comes out.
Only comment I have is, can we change the name to "Gagarin"?
Yuri also means "Explicit lesbian relationships in anime or manga".
It is a pretty common word on the web now-a-days for lesbian sex in general.
You got a problem with girl's love, bro?
Post by: building_an_ergo on Fri, 20 November 2015, 01:22:59
You got a problem with girl's love, bro?
Not really, no.
But I don't want to disappoint anyone into thinking this is a lesbian themed keyset.
Post by: turboloser on Fri, 20 November 2015, 01:36:14
You got a problem with girl's love, bro?
Not really, no.
But I don't want to disappoint anyone into thinking this is a lesbian themed keyset.
That may have been the reason why I clicked on this thread in the first place, but this worked too.
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 20 November 2015, 01:40:26
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 20 November 2015, 05:01:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:06:42
I love the idea behind this design.
And I love the look of it.
I would buy two sets of this for my two boards if it ever comes out.
Only comment I have is, can we change the name to "Gagarin"?
Yuri also means "Explicit lesbian relationships in anime or manga".
It is a pretty common word on the web now-a-days for lesbian sex in general.
First of all Yuri is a slavic Name for a men. Isis is a common arabic Name for a female. You see my point? You cant blame the name you can only blame the person who lacks knowledge to the given context.
In german the word Sir is "Herr" means acusticaly in russian ****. Its not funny.
Anyway we can consider another name if this name "Yuri" gives some people trouble. Actually i considered first time to call it "The sky was red".
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 20 November 2015, 11:11:13
The novelty designs are looking great! (but you may have to check the size of the "island" in the P of CCCP on the helmet -should be absolute minimum of 0.015"-)
Yeah i have to check it. Was aware of it. Anyway these are fast draw sketches and all of them need to be refined and polished, before GB. But guess until GB we got quite a lot of time.
Post by: Vadurr on Fri, 20 November 2015, 12:16:22
Post by: apolotary on Sat, 21 November 2015, 02:51:16
Seriously, I'd buy it just for the huge Cyrillic letters alone. Although, can we use legends from vintage Soviet PCs? I think there was a blog post or a thread somewhere on reddit with pictures of old Soviet battlestations, gotta dig it up
Edit: sorry, should've read about possible complications first, how does SP print custom logos anyway?
Also
I love the idea behind this design.
And I love the look of it.
I would buy two sets of this for my two boards if it ever comes out.
Only comment I have is, can we change the name to "Gagarin"?
Yuri also means "Explicit lesbian relationships in anime or manga".
It is a pretty common word on the web now-a-days for lesbian sex in general.
You're misreading the name a bit, check out how Gagarin's name written in Katakana here (https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%83%A6%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%82%A4%E3%83%BB%E3%82%AC%E3%82%AC%E3%83%BC%E3%83%AA%E3%83%B3)
There's a longer "yu" sound and an extra "i" in the end, the set can be called as Yurii or Yuriy to distinguish it
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 21 November 2015, 03:02:22
Всячески поддерживаю ваш групповой заказ, товарищ
Seriously, I'd buy it just for the huge Cyrillic letters alone. Although, can we use legends from vintage Soviet PCs? I think there was a blog post or a thread somewhere on reddit with pictures of old Soviet battlestations, gotta dig it up
Спасибо за поддержку!
Already studied those old machines. Guess the problem is they dont have a standard for key-labels.
I want to make some sketch update somewhere in January. At that time i hope i will get my carbon keyset so i can study their legends and make Cyrillic Gorton Modified.
Post by: apolotary on Sat, 21 November 2015, 03:08:05
Всячески поддерживаю ваш групповой заказ, товарищ
Seriously, I'd buy it just for the huge Cyrillic letters alone. Although, can we use legends from vintage Soviet PCs? I think there was a blog post or a thread somewhere on reddit with pictures of old Soviet battlestations, gotta dig it up
Спасибо за поддержку!
Already studied those old machines. Guess the problem is they dont have a standard for key-labels.
I want to make some sketch update somewhere in January. At that time i hope i will get my carbon keyset so i can study their legends and make Cyrillic Gorton Modified.
Ah bummer, worst case we could always go for dye-sub, but it would probably imply using DSA which might be a dealbreaker for some
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 21 November 2015, 03:26:32
Всячески поддерживаю ваш групповой заказ, товарищ
Seriously, I'd buy it just for the huge Cyrillic letters alone. Although, can we use legends from vintage Soviet PCs? I think there was a blog post or a thread somewhere on reddit with pictures of old Soviet battlestations, gotta dig it up
Спасибо за поддержку!
Already studied those old machines. Guess the problem is they dont have a standard for key-labels.
I want to make some sketch update somewhere in January. At that time i hope i will get my carbon keyset so i can study their legends and make Cyrillic Gorton Modified.
Ah bummer, worst case we could always go for dye-sub, but it would probably imply using DSA which might be a dealbreaker for some
DSA is not the only profile which SP has to offer. I thought of SA profile if it will be made by SP. If Yuri will be made by SP then it has to be Double Shot Cyrillic not printed or something. I guess it will be first Double Shot Cyrillic ever.
So basically that i am trying to do here is to introduce (if it goes through SP) double shot Cyrillic for community keysets. This means that these cyrillic letters are not going to be exclusive to Yuri. They are supposed to be used by any Community Designer for their project.
Post by: turboloser on Sat, 21 November 2015, 15:49:37
Всячески поддерживаю ваш групповой заказ, товарищ
Seriously, I'd buy it just for the huge Cyrillic letters alone. Although, can we use legends from vintage Soviet PCs? I think there was a blog post or a thread somewhere on reddit with pictures of old Soviet battlestations, gotta dig it up
Спасибо за поддержку!
Already studied those old machines. Guess the problem is they dont have a standard for key-labels.
I want to make some sketch update somewhere in January. At that time i hope i will get my carbon keyset so i can study their legends and make Cyrillic Gorton Modified.
Ah bummer, worst case we could always go for dye-sub, but it would probably imply using DSA which might be a dealbreaker for some
DSA is not the only profile which SP has to offer. I thought of SA profile if it will be made by SP. If Yuri will be made by SP then it has to be Double Shot Cyrillic not printed or something. I guess it will be first Double Shot Cyrillic ever.
So basically that i am trying to do here is to introduce (if it goes through SP) double shot Cyrillic for community keysets. This means that these cyrillic letters are not going to be exclusive to Yuri. They are supposed to be used by any Community Designer for their project.
So if I understand what you're saying, basically once you can get a manufacturer to make keys in a certain language or form factor it then becomes available to everyone else down the road who wants to make use of them as well since the manufacturer now has the capacity to meet those needs?
Post by: S0L on Sun, 22 November 2015, 05:52:50
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 22 November 2015, 07:56:54
So if I understand what you're saying, basically once you can get a manufacturer to make keys in a certain language or form factor it then becomes available to everyone else down the road who wants to make use of them as well since the manufacturer now has the capacity to meet those needs?
Indirectly. Once the legends are made you can use it for other keysets.
But for custom legends like novelties to use them you have to get the permission from the designer.
Lets say you are designing a keyset and you would like to use custom legends from Carbon. SP will not allow you to use them until you'll get the permission from me. This is how it works.
For example Carbon Warning signs has Radiation Sign and it was already available from Nuclear Data keyset. I got no permission so i delivered svg file for that legend and they made it for Carbon from scratch.
Now speaking of Cyrillics i dont want to make them exclusive to Yuri. So if you want to make a cyrillic keyset then you dont even have to get permission. They are going free to use for everybody.
Post by: turboloser on Mon, 23 November 2015, 15:19:12
So if I understand what you're saying, basically once you can get a manufacturer to make keys in a certain language or form factor it then becomes available to everyone else down the road who wants to make use of them as well since the manufacturer now has the capacity to meet those needs?
Indirectly. Once the legends are made you can use it for other keysets.
But for custom legends like novelties to use them you have to get the permission from the designer.
Lets say you are designing a keyset and you would like to use custom legends from Carbon. SP will not allow you to use them until you'll get the permission from me. This is how it works.
For example Carbon Warning signs has Radiation Sign and it was already available from Nuclear Data keyset. I got no permission so i delivered svg file for that legend and they made it for Carbon from scratch.
Now speaking of Cyrillics i dont want to make them exclusive to Yuri. So if you want to make a cyrillic keyset then you dont even have to get permission. They are going free to use for everybody.
That's good to know. Should I ever want to make a CYKA BLYAT set, it can be done!
Post by: R4WBIT on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:40:11
Probably not the only one to think this. Gorgeous keyset!
Post by: ideus on Tue, 24 November 2015, 13:58:31
Post by: n__dles on Tue, 01 December 2015, 23:34:34
Now speaking of Cyrillics i dont want to make them exclusive to Yuri. So if you want to make a cyrillic keyset then you dont even have to get permission. They are going free to use for everybody.For this reason alone, you can count me in. What's the estimated cost to get the missing letters?
Post by: aanoi on Thu, 03 December 2015, 00:14:16
Post by: Siegx on Thu, 03 December 2015, 01:09:12
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 03 December 2015, 06:21:10
Post by: LeandreN on Thu, 03 December 2015, 06:24:35
I will probably have to buy this set, even though you do it with SP. I like it too much :p
Yeah, it is great. I'll be in for a set too!
Post by: jaffers on Thu, 03 December 2015, 06:40:02
Post by: Vimto on Thu, 03 December 2015, 06:45:27
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 06:57:22
I don't think it suits SA profile but I will definitely bite if you manage to get GMK or JTK to do it
I don't think GMK would have the colours to do it and I think JTK is pretty taped out in terms of GBs for the foreseeable future
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:08:11
Now speaking of Cyrillics i dont want to make them exclusive to Yuri. So if you want to make a cyrillic keyset then you dont even have to get permission. They are going free to use for everybody.For this reason alone, you can count me in. What's the estimated cost to get the missing letters?
There are 26 letters to made. Thats 26 x 50$ 1300$ total cost. Dont be scared Carbon had around 16 new legends and it was not that expensive if you compare it to previous sets. This one has 10 legends more to go. Depending on success of GB it is possible you will barely see cost increase.
As i said this set has the goal to make first double shot cyrillic set. To make the participation more valuable i plan to run Yuri only once. See it as honor for those who support the introduction of cyrillic letters. After that everyone can use those cyrillics for their own sets.
Right now i am thinking of making complete new legends. Say latin letters in the top left corner and cyrillics in bottom right corner.
Like here:
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57244.0;attach=61637;image)
It will cost more but i think its more versatile... Discuss!
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 03 December 2015, 11:45:29
Post by: trenzafeeds on Thu, 03 December 2015, 12:13:04
There are 26 letters to made. Thats 26 x 50$ 1300$ total cost. Dont be scared Carbon had around 16 new legends and it was not that expensive if you compare it to previous sets. This one has 10 legends more to go. Depending on success of GB it is possible you will barely see cost increase.
If at least 100 people enter that's only $13 a person. Small price to pay, and I think you could easily get that many orders!
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 17:39:13
Right now i am thinking of making complete new legends. Say latin letters in the top left corner and cyrillics in bottom right corner.
Like here:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=57244.0;attach=61637;image)
It will cost more but i think its more versatile... Discuss!
I'd probably go with the dual legend approach - I think a lot of MD customers might be a bit intimated by cyrillic legends only even though they look super badass
Post by: n__dles on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:40:38
There are 26 letters to made. Thats 26 x 50$ 1300$ total costIf I understand correctly, that means new dyesub legends are $50 each and if the author agrees they can be used in other sets?
I'd probably go with the dual legend approach - I think a lot of MD customers might be a bit intimated by cyrillic legends only even though they look super badassSeconded. I prefer the full cap Cyrillic, but I think there'll be more buyers with dual legends.
Post by: simonyunhe on Thu, 03 December 2015, 19:45:55
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 20:07:00
What I'm concerned is how will the legends double shot if they have two different colors or we will have one instead. The Cyrillic key cap in the picture is double shot then dye-sub and I'm not sure if SP do dye-sub SA.
It would have to be one colour unless you wanted to pad print the cyrillic on which makes it sort of unremarkable
The GMK set in the photo is doubleshot on the english legends and pad print on the cyrillic fyi
You can't dyesub ABS as the temps are too hot - only works with PBT (which SP don't offer SA in)
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 03 December 2015, 20:07:40
What I'm concerned is how will the legends double shot if they have two different colors or we will have one instead. The Cyrillic key cap in the picture is double shot then dye-sub and I'm not sure if SP do dye-sub SA.
Both legends would need to be the same color unless going triple shot. I don't recall if SP has done that or offers such, though.
Post by: building_an_ergo on Sat, 05 December 2015, 04:58:28
First of all Yuri is a slavic Name for a men. Isis is a common arabic Name for a female. You see my point? You cant blame the name you can only blame the person who lacks knowledge to the given context.
In german the word Sir is "Herr" means acusticaly in russian ****. Its not funny.
Anyway we can consider another name if this name "Yuri" gives some people trouble. Actually i considered first time to call it "The sky was red".
'Yuri' is also a girls name in Japanese :3
I didn't mean to imply it was bad, I actually like it. I also doubt it would give anyone trouble beyond 3 seconds after the first click. Just wanted to point it out.
Oh and just for the record, I think "The Sky Was Red" would be a pretty damn cool name.
Post by: bocahgundul on Sat, 05 December 2015, 04:59:15
Post by: ileben on Sat, 05 December 2015, 05:40:30
Right now i am thinking of making complete new legends. Say latin letters in the top left corner and cyrillics in bottom right corner.
It will cost more but i think its more versatile... Discuss!
I would prefer single cyrillic legends, because it's infinitely more badass, and I totally really want this. After all, this is supposed to be a tribute to someone and I see it as a piece of art, so if someone wants to have this on their keyboard, they should just learn to touch-type. I feel quite strongly about this.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 05 December 2015, 05:56:34
this still happening right?Yes it will happen but not soon. SP is quite overloaded and i start to work out cyrillics after i received my carbon kits, so i can axamine Gorton Modified Font. Need more examples i think there are some difference between DSA and SA fonts.
I would prefer single cyrillic legends, because it's infinitely more badass, and I totally really want this. After all, this is supposed to be a tribute to someone and I see it as a piece of art, so if someone wants to have this on their keyboard, they should just learn to touch-type. I feel quite strongly about this.Double legends would require complette new Alphas. Costly but it could combine both worlds perfectly. I prefer full size cyrillics too, but double legends are in fact more flexible. Anyway we should keep this discussion.
For Full Size Letters i have also to offer Ansi. It means there will be 2 Alpha kits.
Post by: Lepidus on Sat, 05 December 2015, 06:15:30
Btw, will these caps lock/scroll lock caps be doubleshot with translucent plastic?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 05 December 2015, 06:26:00
Btw, will these caps lock/scroll lock caps be doubleshot with translucent plastic?
You cant doubleshot led windowed keys. Those Led windowed keys will be front side printed like in Carbon.
Post by: cheddarbek on Sat, 05 December 2015, 06:50:32
Post by: R4WBIT on Sat, 05 December 2015, 08:22:22
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 05 December 2015, 13:40:51
Is an international kit in thought or are you aiming towards doing an cyrillic only set?The main goal is to introduce cyrillics. Depending on which approach we choose i plan atleast to include an UK ISO kit.
Post by: bcredbottle on Mon, 07 December 2015, 13:06:42
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 13:58:29
Is an international kit in thought or are you aiming towards doing an cyrillic only set?The main goal is to introduce cyrillics. Depending on which approach we choose i plan atleast to include an UK ISO kit.
I don't care about the legends as a touch typer, but I would like to put in a vote for at least iso physical layout support.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 07 December 2015, 14:13:34
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 December 2015, 14:36:06
Obligatory request for a set of Ergodox blanks (1u, 1.5u, and 2u)Ergodox, Planck etc. is a must ofcourse and will be supported. Ergodox is easy but planck might be hard as it cant fit all the cyrillics. Thinking about special pseudo blanks. I do plan for the next possible Carbon drop doubleshot graphene blanks. Dont know what to make in Yuri's case. But i will get an idea, thats for sure.
I don't care about the legends as a touch typer, but I would like to put in a vote for at least iso physical layout support.It will get at least full UK ISO support. Thats for sure. Its almost the same as ansi and needs just a few keys. Other ISO layout would be just an overkill because of cyrillics.
Also thinking about to let out support for Dvorak and Colemak. Those would need complete new legends too. But its not set in the stone, so perhaps.. maybe...
Post by: trenzafeeds on Mon, 07 December 2015, 14:50:16
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 07 December 2015, 14:57:19
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:07:43
I'm assuming with the additional letters, this will be a while, but is there a general time that you had in mind for the GB to start? Just curious so I can remember to have my money saved for this :pI think somewhere in summer. You know SP is overflown with orders and the whole thing with current SA GBs has to calm down a little bit. Sure i also have to work out the cyrillics. I think i can get Cyrillics in one month i am quite used to work with GIMP after Carbon. I did some tries. Scaned some DeepSpace letters and made some Cyrillics. They still need some fine tuning but its not that hard. Only 26 legends. If i make one legend per day you can call me lazy :).
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 07 December 2015, 15:15:01
Awesome, thanks!I'm assuming with the additional letters, this will be a while, but is there a general time that you had in mind for the GB to start? Just curious so I can remember to have my money saved for this :pI think somewhere in summer. You know SP is overflown with orders and the whole thing with current SA GBs has to calm down a little bit. Sure i also have to work out the cyrillics. I think i can get Cyrillics in one month i am quite used to work with GIMP after Carbon. I did some tries. Scaned some DeepSpace letters and made some Cyrillics. They still need some fine tuning but its not that hard. Only 26 legends. If i make one legend per day you can call me lazy :).
Between this, the Electric set, and other group buys to come, my wallet will be so malnourished :))
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 07 December 2015, 21:31:02
If i make one legend per day you can call me lazy :).
Dude, after your first successful GB and the time you actually put in on the IC stage, I for one, would NEVER call you lazy. Any set you do that includes Cyrillics has my money on it. I'm already a fan of the colorway and love the novelties. Just keep doing your thang man, this set is already popular and its months before we can even buy it. :p
#HYPE :thumb:
Post by: spectre on Fri, 11 December 2015, 11:21:50
Post by: animal on Sun, 20 December 2015, 10:32:52
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 20 December 2015, 11:10:00
Are there going to be extra keys that fit on non-standard keyboards like the Corsair K70?
Yes there will be some, but K70 does use an unusual Spacebar Size (6.5u) which is not available in SA Profile.
Post by: LeandreN on Mon, 21 December 2015, 09:19:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 21 December 2015, 09:48:03
ISO support is mandatory for these type of sets. Looks really good though.
Yes this will be the case. As i wrote previously i plan to support at least UK ISO.
By the way i received today my Carbon keysets and i will start to work on Cyrillics. If i am done with Cyrillics i will post an update with new cyrillic alphas :)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 21 December 2015, 23:35:26
ISO support is mandatory for these type of sets. Looks really good though.
Yes this will be the case. As i wrote previously i plan to support at least UK ISO.
By the way i received today my Carbon keysets and i will start to work on Cyrillics. If i am done with Cyrillics i will post an update with new cyrillic alphas :)
So cyrillic is back as an option? That is definitely a set I would not miss out on. :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 22 December 2015, 03:23:16
So cyrillic is back as an option? That is definitely a set I would not miss out on. :thumb:
Hey!
Actually Cyrillics will be not an option... It will be the Base set. I plan doing dual legends (latin/cyrillics) as its the jack of all trades. Also this approach can push the costs down and help hitting MOQ better.
Ofcourse i'd like to hear your opinion to this kind of approach :)
Post by: Hanni on Tue, 22 December 2015, 13:08:11
Actually Cyrillics will be not an option... It will be the Base set.I'm afraid it is going to be unproductive.
Basically, this base kit will be more expensive for latin geekhacker, only to get an unused cyrillics alphas ; really not interresting from my point of view. :(
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 22 December 2015, 13:16:28
I plan doing dual legends (latin/cyrillics) as its the jack of all trades. Also this approach can push the costs down and help hitting MOQ better.
Ofcourse i'd like to hear your opinion to this kind of approach :)
I'd like to see a single legend option/or base set (whether that be Latin or Cyrillic). Dual legends just looks cluttered to me.
Also, would you realistically be able to double shot each dual legend key? If the way to achieve dual legends is pad printing...that's...well...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 22 December 2015, 13:28:23
Post by: cheddarbek on Tue, 22 December 2015, 13:46:32
Post by: n__dles on Wed, 23 December 2015, 21:30:10
Hmpf... just continue discussion as long as i work on cyrillics guys.How many characters are left?
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 23 December 2015, 21:40:54
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 24 December 2015, 03:21:41
How many characters are left?
So far i have done 22 Characters during two days. Missing Ф, А, Л, Р, Д, Ж, Ч, С and Ю. I do full Alphabet for renders. Today is holiday and i got stuff to do. You know its Christmas.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 25 December 2015, 18:23:36
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 25 December 2015, 20:43:37
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 26 December 2015, 04:20:29
Would you still be up for side printed Cyrillic font printing on alphas? The story goes that printing two separate key legends (one in ANSI and one in Cyrillic) means that I buy two sets of everything as well as a keyboard. My wife is Russian so I could only look at it. So I guess I'm in one way or the other.
Yeah i am still thinking about it. I mean yes why not to front print them on Latin Base version.
However i need to know how much interesst is there for the Cyrillic Base kit. I mean is it worth?
Post by: Jedi on Sat, 26 December 2015, 07:16:10
TLDR; it would be awesome to know you have this in your back pocket as a possible available option, but considering the audience and utmost compatibility I'd agree if you said "I'm sticking with what's gonna sell MOQ kits for now."
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 26 December 2015, 07:46:18
The Cyrillic base kit is a nice to have and I am an absolutely lousy judge of what will sell like crazy and what won't make MOQ. For example, the vader keycap went like crazy even when I looked at it and said the finish looked crushed on the picture. Then it sells out. Then a Topre keycap set that went through months as an IC fails due to a technicality among other things.
TLDR; it would be awesome to know you have this in your back pocket as a possible available option, but considering the audience and utmost compatibility I'd agree if you said "I'm sticking with what's gonna sell MOQ kits for now."
I dont want to force my opinion or something. I will do that the majority prefers the most.
I thought just we are missing doubleshot cyrillics. I saw many times people using Cyrillics on their boards and i was curious about doing cyrillic keyset. I for myself dont need cyrillics, though Russian is my native language. They have meaning for me. Other people put them because of aesthetics. I would put them on my board only with Latin (say double legends) letters. I for myself write most of the time in English and German. For Cyrillic i use special layout for QWERTY. Basically cyrillics are not for me, its for you (whose who appreciate the look of cyrillics). This is just the opportunity to get double shot cyrillics.
Post by: harlw on Sun, 27 December 2015, 11:05:40
The Cyrillic base kit is a nice to have and I am an absolutely lousy judge of what will sell like crazy and what won't make MOQ. For example, the vader keycap went like crazy even when I looked at it and said the finish looked crushed on the picture. Then it sells out. Then a Topre keycap set that went through months as an IC fails due to a technicality among other things.
TLDR; it would be awesome to know you have this in your back pocket as a possible available option, but considering the audience and utmost compatibility I'd agree if you said "I'm sticking with what's gonna sell MOQ kits for now."
I hear you on misjudging what will sell - boy have I been wrong! I predicted GMK SNES would break records (although the presentation was lackluster despite thisiscampers fine work on it), lol.
Post by: harlw on Sun, 27 December 2015, 11:06:58
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 27 December 2015, 11:48:10
I just wanted to be a pest and say "is it here yet?" - I need these colors...life and death we are talking here...
Actuallly if we throw Cyrillics away i need maybe max one month to make YURI GB ready. Most of Child Deals will be the same as Carbon. I need to rework ISO kit and refine Novelties. Again the question is that about Cyrillics. I think since no one cares for them we can run this just as standard.
Anyway my color chips are on the way i'd like to check the colors first with my own eyes. It's possible i could adjust the colors slightly to achieve the desired color combination.
Post by: derezzed on Sun, 27 December 2015, 12:36:57
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 27 December 2015, 12:42:17
I think one of the advantages of a Cyrillic-only set is that, unless you're a purist or can read Cyrillic, the Cyrillic set obviates the extra alpha keys for Colemak and Dvorak sets, making Colemak/Dvorak kits that much cheaper. I understand ditching Cyrillics to broaden the marketability of this set, but I'm sad to see them go. An all-Cyrillic set would have looked fantastic. I hope there is an opportunity to incorporate them into a future set. They were what originally sold me on this set. The colorway is nice, but the Cyrillics really promoted the theme of this set. Now, I'm undecided. Will you have renders of Yuri by the time it hits Massdrop?
Cyrillics are not gone. It was just a question. To Cyrillics or not to Cyrillics? Check the rmk thread. I just cant predict the demand on Cyrillics. I wish we can do it, so the upcoming keysets can offer cyrillics.
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 27 December 2015, 15:14:56
(Back on topic) Cryillics would do it for some but then some of those some say oh well the font is definitely my thing but the color isn't my fave, good luck though. Or, oh its ABS? PBT is so much more superior, well maybe the next drop when you do this in PBT. Or, oh its SA, yeah I'd much prefer DCS as I don't have a need for the SA. Or oh your 1-1-2-3-4, I really need this set in 1-2-2-3-3, but good luck on the drop. :eek:
TLDR, run a google poll on RD, MD, and GH and lets see how they respond. That should tell us whether T0mb3ry needs to run this with two sets of alphas. :thumb:
Post by: Hypersphere on Sun, 27 December 2015, 15:57:20
+ SA profile, sculpted (not all row 3).
+ Red instead of orange.
+ White or cream rather than cyan background on alphanumerics.
+ Single legends on alphas; Cyrillic could be a separate alpha set option.
+ Double-shot legends.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 27 December 2015, 16:01:33
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 27 December 2015, 22:20:43
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 28 December 2015, 04:48:02
If you do end up doing a poll (which I would recommend), I can also add one to the thread for you, if you like. Google poll might be easier to integrate data from all the various sources though.
Actually i was searching for poll feature, but couldn't find it. If you can add a poll for this thread i would appreciate it. Thanks.
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 28 December 2015, 12:12:15
If you do end up doing a poll (which I would recommend), I can also add one to the thread for you, if you like. Google poll might be easier to integrate data from all the various sources though.
Actually i was searching for poll feature, but couldn't find it. If you can add a poll for this thread i would appreciate it. Thanks.
In some subforums, users can make polls directly, but in other subforums, mods need to do polls. PM me the options you'd like in your poll, and I can get it set up for you :thumb:
Post by: braidn on Mon, 28 December 2015, 12:27:56
(http://i.imgur.com/jITzyTJ.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 28 December 2015, 13:04:54
Is there a thing as "Reverse SA"? Never seen/heard of it beforeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jITzyTJ.jpg)
Its just the row 1 which is reverted. I think its douable since SP makes legends first (first shot) and then they put those legends in the key molds and flood it with second shot plastic. For this they need to revert the first shot basically. But i need to ask first if that is possible.
Post by: Incredigasmic on Mon, 28 December 2015, 13:11:04
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 28 December 2015, 15:56:06
Post by: shinz0 on Tue, 29 December 2015, 17:05:59
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 01 January 2016, 14:18:06
I'd like to thank Zambumon for his awesome renders and support.
(http://i.imgur.com/voqYP0d.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/r7GX39Q.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/VYNKNDR.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/do7kLIG.png)
Post by: animal on Fri, 01 January 2016, 14:26:26
Post by: RNT on Fri, 01 January 2016, 15:51:47
Post by: alexjd99 on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:34:09
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 01 January 2016, 16:46:26
Oh and I have a question on something I noticed the other day. Why is it that all the alphas are orange, but the numbers are black? I think it looks cool, but I was just curious why you decided to do two different colors for alphas and numericsIt was just a logical separation. Alphas orange and numerics deep blue. As i already said its not set in stone. I am still waiting for my color chips to arive. Need to see the real colors with own eyes. I'll then decide. Though i want in any case make alphas and numerics crisp and distinct.
Post by: potatowire on Fri, 01 January 2016, 20:26:37
Updated first page. But i leave this also here (for the lazy one :)).
I'd like to thank Zambumon for his awesome renders and support.
Gorgeous!
Post by: kolashnikov on Sat, 02 January 2016, 11:51:35
Actually, I'm not sure I understand how Cyrillic alphas are too intimidating... Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most keyboard enthusiasts [i.e. people who buy key sets] know how to touch type?
Post by: Hispes on Sun, 03 January 2016, 09:39:52
Post by: building_an_ergo on Sun, 03 January 2016, 09:40:55
Actually, I'm not sure I understand how Cyrillic alphas are too intimidating... Correct me if I'm wrong, but don't most keyboard enthusiasts [i.e. people who buy key sets] know how to touch type?
I think it just looks way cooler.
Kinda like the JIS boards with Kana and Romaji written on them.
Post by: Hanni on Sun, 03 January 2016, 14:25:33
Post by: dannrawr on Mon, 04 January 2016, 09:08:41
Either SA or cherry
Post by: chirikato133 on Mon, 04 January 2016, 18:01:16
Post by: Hispes on Wed, 06 January 2016, 05:01:12
Nice set bro, i'm sure i will buy it
It's official. Let's do this.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 06 January 2016, 05:41:27
Here is the scan (keep in mind OAV has much more red as displayed):
(http://i.imgur.com/2tSwgL2.jpg)
Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 06 January 2016, 06:32:18
I got my color chips today. I got not only Yuri colors but all blue, orange and brown colors. So basically i can compare all possibilities. I have to say, even now with all the colors at my hands, the colors were selected right from the beginning. They will stay as they are. Also the legends color will be OAV. It has enough RED to be crisp and ditstinct on blue background.Will the English alpha + Cyrillic still a option or its gone forever? If the this is the case, I will vote for the Cyrillic alpha!
Here is the scan (keep in mind OAV has much more red as displayed):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2tSwgL2.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 06 January 2016, 06:48:04
Will the English alpha + Cyrillic still a option or its gone forever? If the this is the case, I will vote for the Cyrillic alpha!
I think Double Legends would be an cost overkill (5k+ $). Also some people want full scale cyrillics. I for myself prefer double legends.
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 06 January 2016, 07:51:39
Will the English alpha + Cyrillic still a option or its gone forever? If the this is the case, I will vote for the Cyrillic alpha!
I think Double Legends would be an cost overkill (5k+ $). Also some people want full scale cyrillics. I for myself prefer double legends.
If he decides to drop the cyrillics, then why bother making this design in the first place?
This is suppose to be Russian based hence use the letters instead of making another boring all English key-set. Include the cyrillics anywhere on the key-cap as long as it's there for everyone to see.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:23:09
Why i am doing this? I for myself dont even need cyrillics, though i speak Russian. Also with Carbon i got lot of stuff todo and another keyset is a burden for me. But i love seeing people swagging around with cyrillics on their boards. I really appreciate it. I know most of them put cyrillics because they appreciate the aesthetics. So i thought why dont make some double shot cyrillics.
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:44:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 06 January 2016, 08:52:24
Its nearly Christmas, I need Cyrillics so I can send thank you cards.
Ah yes we got christmas tommorow! Though i am catholic. Its still is a special day for us. Wish you merry christmas :)
People who are wondering its orthodox christmas.
Post by: animal on Wed, 06 January 2016, 10:08:00
I got my color chips today. I got not only Yuri colors but all blue, orange and brown colors. So basically i can compare all possibilities. I have to say, even now with all the colors at my hands, the colors were selected right from the beginning. They will stay as they are. Also the legends color will be OAV. It has enough RED to be crisp and ditstinct on blue background.
Here is the scan (keep in mind OAV has much more red as displayed):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2tSwgL2.jpg)
I thought that the mods were grayish. Seems though that they are blue...
Post by: R4WBIT on Wed, 06 January 2016, 13:23:13
(https://i.imgur.com/RXuOE5m.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 06 January 2016, 14:59:19
An old style Windows Key would be awesome for this set! Like the second one in the new granite set.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RXuOE5m.png)
The old style windows logo has to much detail for being made as double shot legend. See the dots which logo is leaving. Some dots and the spacing between some dots is just too small.
Granite is PBT and is using dey sub technique for the legends. Dey sub allows such small details to be made.
However i think its possible to make similar logo for doubleshot. Though it will have less detail.
Post by: R4WBIT on Wed, 06 January 2016, 15:05:47
An old style Windows Key would be awesome for this set! Like the second one in the new granite set.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RXuOE5m.png)
The old style windows logo has to much detail for being made as double shot legend. See the dots which logo is leaving. Some dots and the spacing between some dots is just too small.
Granite is PBT and is using dey sub technique for the legends. Dey sub allows such small details to be made.
However i think its possible to make similar logo for doubleshot. Though it will have less detail.
Oh I see. With less detail it will probably look worse so scratch that idea. Also don't forget ISO please!
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 06 January 2016, 16:57:08
An old style Windows Key would be awesome for this set! Like the second one in the new granite set.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RXuOE5m.png)
The old style windows logo has to much detail for being made as double shot legend. See the dots which logo is leaving. Some dots and the spacing between some dots is just too small.
Granite is PBT and is using dey sub technique for the legends. Dey sub allows such small details to be made.
However i think its possible to make similar logo for doubleshot. Though it will have less detail.
Oh I see. With less detail it will probably look worse so scratch that idea. Also don't forget ISO please!
FYI a doubleshot classic Windows key does exist in DCS, there's a picture at the bottom of this post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55644.msg1690193#msg1690193). I agree it's somewhat disappointing, although I think it would be just fine if the four "windows" were actually blocked in. I wouldn't say it's impossible to get something decent-looking.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 January 2016, 03:27:37
At MOQ of 100 the price for a single Cyrillic Base kit is 94.49$.
The Cyrillic Base kit is displayed once again below:
(http://i.imgur.com/asA6lfv.jpg)
I have to admit its missing some keys in nummeric row and one key (. and ,) in row 4 to the right of "Ю".
So if i add those keys to complete the layout, i think the price will be at approx +/-100$ per Cyrillic Base kit.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 06:32:20
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 January 2016, 06:48:12
Hmm... if its not dual legend printed, this might be a challenge for some. A similar GB with dual legends ran for $55 and they came out wickedly cool. I don't recall if the designer noted how many were needed when they were sold at that price point, and I will say there were alot of interested late comers who wished they got in on that set. I'm not going into details as this is the Yuri thread and mods can delete this post. Was there a price request for a double legend set?
I did not requested the pricing for the double legend approach. But i guess it will be somewhere at 120$ as it needs complete alphas + nummerics overhaul.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 09:18:53
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 07 January 2016, 10:36:20
Got approximate pricing for the Cyrillic Base kit from Melissa.
At MOQ of 100 the price for a single Cyrillic Base kit is 94.49$.
The Cyrillic Base kit is displayed once again below:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/asA6lfv.jpg)
I have to admit its missing some keys in nummeric row and one key (. and ,) in row 4 to the right of "Ю".
So if i add those keys to complete the layout, i think the price will be at approx +/-100$ per Cyrillic Base kit.
Oh yeah! At ~$100 I'm totally down for this. Those cryllic legends look amazing!
Post by: RNT on Thu, 07 January 2016, 11:35:27
I think the perfect thing to do is to either drop it with double legends or two base kits with one being normal, the other cyrillic.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:37:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 07 January 2016, 13:57:02
This is one of the best looking sets, can't wait for it to drop.
I think the perfect thing to do is to either drop it with double legends or two base kits with one being normal, the other cyrillic.
^This. I like this idea as well. I am in for two sets but the concern is the number of people who would be committed to this as well. Has everyone that is interested voted in the poll?
Actually if you read the first page its the plan.
There will be simple QWERTY ANSI Base kit for people who want just standard.
(http://i.imgur.com/wxDPYlV.jpg)
And there will be full Cyrillic Base kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/wR0EwJS.jpg)
Both Base kits are updated.
- Both versions include also row 2 "up" arrow key, as some people (including me) were unhappy with full row 4 arrow cluster. Its not ergonomic and is little bit weird. Still row 4 "up" arrow key is included for people who like strickt row rule.
- For Cyrillic version: "Г" and "З" has been adjusted.
I will not update the first page for now, as i am currently working on child deals. If i am done it will be updated.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 07 January 2016, 14:22:25
Post by: binphan161 on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:10:02
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 January 2016, 05:29:03
What will be the price of the QWERTY Base Kit? Less than $95 I'm guessing?
I guess it will cost like Carbon Base Kit around 80$. Though Yuri has in its Base one additional key for arrow cluster.
Post by: Jumie on Fri, 08 January 2016, 08:07:23
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 09 January 2016, 03:51:21
ETA for GB?
Hopefully not too soon so wallets are not destroyed with all this SA goodness at the moment :p
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 09 January 2016, 04:23:20
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 09 January 2016, 04:30:53
Probably Summer. There are other great SA designs in the pipeline.
Sounds like good timing, couple of months to get everything organised.
Post by: blastoid on Sat, 09 January 2016, 11:00:11
Here's my original reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/36emds/ic_soviet/
I had been discussing custom plates with Melissa, but eventually just dropped it, thinking it would end up too expensive.
Any chance of Cyrillic mods?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 09 January 2016, 11:15:18
Wow, I haven't been on GH much lately and totally missed this IC. You and I had the same idea...
Here's my original reddit post: https://www.reddit.com/r/keycapdesigners/comments/36emds/ic_soviet/
I had been discussing custom plates with Melissa, but eventually just dropped it, thinking it would end up too expensive.
Any chance of Cyrillic mods?
Hey!
I remember now your post on reddit. I also have some replies in it (look for spoonyluv47).
I do here something similar. I'd like to introduce Cyrillics into SP palette. So upcoming keysets could include those if needed. Instead of doing full overhaul i think its cheaper to add just the missing cyrillic legends (ofcourse in Groton Modified font). It reduces the pricing greatly. Will be like ~100 bucks per Base kit.
Also i am skipping mods, because they cost more than 1u keys. For example look at Modern Selectric which introduced icon mods. Maybe someone will introduce cyrillic mods later.
Post by: blastoid on Sat, 09 January 2016, 11:17:56
Post by: finalreq on Sat, 09 January 2016, 13:39:48
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 09 January 2016, 18:56:00
Post by: DaveW on Sun, 10 January 2016, 00:17:40
Post by: GwenAlli on Sun, 10 January 2016, 00:52:15
Post by: Zapheo on Sun, 10 January 2016, 02:45:28
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 03:14:35
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 10 January 2016, 03:49:30
Wondering whether this set will explode like Carbon did before it :eek:
I'm pretty confident that this set will be a success for sure. Great color scheme, story, the novelties he has done so far are very cool, and it's $100 for a base kit with Cyrillics, which is not as expensive as many thought (including me).
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 04:14:36
Wondering whether this set will explode like Carbon did before it :eek:
I'm pretty confident that this set will be a success for sure. Great color scheme, story, the novelties he has done so far are very cool, and it's $100 for a base kit with Cyrillics, which is not as expensive as many thought (including me).
Even showed this set to a mate that has hardly any interest in mechanical keyboards past using them and he thought it was awesome!
Post by: m1kehonch0 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 13:16:48
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 10 January 2016, 16:45:01
Post by: finalreq on Sun, 10 January 2016, 17:03:02
First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.
Post by: Sinanju on Sun, 10 January 2016, 17:04:21
Agreed, the novelty set seems like its missing something.First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.
Would something like Eject for an ESC key novelty work too? (Overdone, yes, but I think they are kinda cool) Don't think I saw it mentioned anywhere else in the thread.
Great looking set. Carbon SA was my first aftermarket keycap set, and Yuri might be my second.
Post by: animal on Sun, 10 January 2016, 17:44:34
First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
The number row is going to be with orange legends and not blue? The blue legends look better in the number row.
Post by: Hispes on Sun, 10 January 2016, 20:59:29
First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
The number row is going to be with orange legends and not blue? The blue legends look better in the number row.
Agreed.
Post by: m1kehonch0 on Sun, 10 January 2016, 21:12:37
I agree 100%!First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.
Post by: Vadurr on Mon, 11 January 2016, 09:39:09
I concur!I agree 100%!First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 11 January 2016, 10:47:17
I concur!I agree 100%!First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.
(http://i.imgur.com/CRIcP.gif?noredirect)
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 11 January 2016, 12:42:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 January 2016, 12:57:31
Ok, so now I am kicking myself in the balls for not ordering the Novelty Kit with carbon not only because I saw the keys on a layout in the separate thread, but because I must order one of everything for this set. Great work on these T0mb3ry, this is a terrific IC. No rush, this set will surely be awesome!
Thanks!
Indeed we got plenty of time to waste :) There are also so many nasty GBs right now. For example Gateron PBT. I could kick my ass to not ordering Ivans Ural imsto keyset. But now i'll get my ural :) Actually i was born there.
I concur!I agree 100%!First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CRIcP.gif?noredirect)
How about to combine Stripe and Novelties together? I ll add also vertical and horizontal 2u stars to it. If you like i can add also an Enter with stripes and star.
However the hammer and sickle will be separated into its own child deal. Got a request from a person who'd like to join the dark side. So i am helping :))
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 11 January 2016, 13:46:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 11 January 2016, 13:52:59
Isn't the 2U R1 Backspace key redundant in the Planck/Atomic kit?
As you can see (the picture below) Atomic has a number row with 2u backspace.
(http://i.imgur.com/3gNDJAh.jpg)
I forgot to add Stripe kit (i was talking about) to child deals. First page has been updated.
Post by: finalreq on Tue, 12 January 2016, 00:50:45
Ok, so now I am kicking myself in the balls for not ordering the Novelty Kit with carbon not only because I saw the keys on a layout in the separate thread, but because I must order one of everything for this set. Great work on these T0mb3ry, this is a terrific IC. No rush, this set will surely be awesome!
Thanks!
Indeed we got plenty of time to waste :) There are also so many nasty GBs right now. For example Gateron PBT. I could kick my ass to not ordering Ivans Ural imsto keyset. But now i'll get my ural :) Actually i was born there.I concur!I agree 100%!First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
I would have liked to see the horizontal star and stripe key in the novelty kit. I think that's one of the cooler keys in this set.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CRIcP.gif?noredirect)
How about to combine Stripe and Novelties together? I ll add also vertical and horizontal 2u stars to it. If you like i can add also an Enter with stripes and star.
However the hammer and sickle will be separated into its own child deal. Got a request from a person who'd like to join the dark side. So i am helping :))
Yes, it would be much better to have the star and stripe keys in the set. I especially like the idea of the star and stripe enter key.
Kind of a bummer that the hammer and sickle will be separated but if thats the price we have to pay for the star and stripe keys then so be it.
Post by: carsten_ on Tue, 12 January 2016, 06:41:45
Post by: animal on Tue, 12 January 2016, 09:20:10
Post by: Burt Macklin on Tue, 12 January 2016, 10:09:29
Probably Summer. There are other great SA designs in the pipeline.
Ah, that's great :thumb:
Plenty of time to get the $$ ready, this looks absolutely stunning.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 January 2016, 10:15:32
I didn't get an answer, are the number row legends going to orange and not blue as in the renders and your first mockups?
Probably. I need to look over the child deals. If it does not make any problems i can make all letters orange and all non letter blue, like in the previous mockups.
Post by: Hispes on Tue, 12 January 2016, 11:13:59
I didn't get an answer, are the number row legends going to orange and not blue as in the renders and your first mockups?
Probably. I need to look over the child deals. If it does not make any problems i can make all letters orange and all non letter blue, like in the previous mockups.
I think this would be awesome and preferred, but I'll buy regardless. =)
Post by: Jonathan Larsson on Wed, 13 January 2016, 11:55:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 13 January 2016, 12:22:51
7u Spacebar child deal?
Its a standard thing nowadays. There will be ofcourse 7u and 6.25u spacebars as child deals. Also 3u keys will be offered (for example Filco Minila has one). Unfortunatly SP does not have the molds for 6u (all topre boards except nova and leo) and 6.5u (corsair and other cool kids boards :)) ) spacebars.
Post by: Incredigasmic on Wed, 13 January 2016, 14:31:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 13 January 2016, 15:13:32
Can we have the Return key featured in the Planck child kit into the Novelties kit? The Star with stripes looks great, but I don't want to have to buy the Planck kit to get it.
Yes Novelties will get an Enter with star on stripes. But i want to keep another enter and not exceed the amount of 2 enters. I guess i,ll make two orange enters. One with "Поехали" and another with deep blue star on stripes. May be blue enter with orange star... Dont know i have to try it out first.
Post by: Incredigasmic on Wed, 13 January 2016, 15:37:04
Can we have the Return key featured in the Planck child kit into the Novelties kit? The Star with stripes looks great, but I don't want to have to buy the Planck kit to get it.
Yes Novelties will get an Enter with star on stripes. But i want to keep another enter and not exceed the amount of 2 enters. I guess i,ll make two orange enters. One with "Поехали" and another with deep blue star on stripes. May be blue enter with orange star... Dont know i have to try it out first.
Fantastic news. Can't wait for the set to gain more traction and enter GB phase :D
Post by: RNT on Thu, 14 January 2016, 11:30:15
First page has been updated with: adjusted Russian Alphabet, Base kits and Child Deals :)
The number row is going to be with orange legends and not blue? The blue legends look better in the number row.
Agreed!
Post by: yannickg on Fri, 15 January 2016, 11:57:35
It's beautiful btw!
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 16 January 2016, 05:21:11
Is there any ETA for this to hit MD?
It's beautiful btw!
Pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread that it would be during winter where T0mb3ry comes from.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 16 January 2016, 06:05:06
Is there any ETA for this to hit MD?
It's beautiful btw!
Pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread that it would be during winter where T0mb3ry comes from.
Indeed i already mentioned it somewhere in this thread. Winter? I think most probably summer. There are other sets in the pipeline. Also i need to see new cyrillic legends in combination with already existing legends. Maybe some adjustments are needed. But i want make sure they will match. So it needs its time too.
Post by: yannickg on Sat, 16 January 2016, 07:11:22
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 16 January 2016, 07:15:30
Is there any ETA for this to hit MD?
It's beautiful btw!
Pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread that it would be during winter where T0mb3ry comes from.
Indeed i already mentioned it somewhere in this thread. Winter? I think most probably summer. There are other sets in the pipeline. Also i need to see new cyrillic legends in combination with already existing legends. Maybe some adjustments are needed. But i want make sure they will match. So it needs its time too.
Sorry got my winter and your winter mixed up I think.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 16 January 2016, 07:19:44
Is there any ETA for this to hit MD?
It's beautiful btw!
Pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread that it would be during winter where T0mb3ry comes from.
Indeed i already mentioned it somewhere in this thread. Winter? I think most probably summer. There are other sets in the pipeline. Also i need to see new cyrillic legends in combination with already existing legends. Maybe some adjustments are needed. But i want make sure they will match. So it needs its time too.
Sorry got my winter and your winter mixed up I think.
Oh i see your location. Haha. I mean yeah in your case its winter :)
Post by: UTEster750 on Sat, 16 January 2016, 08:29:25
Is there any ETA for this to hit MD?
It's beautiful btw!
Pretty sure it was mentioned in this thread that it would be during winter where T0mb3ry comes from.
Indeed i already mentioned it somewhere in this thread. Winter? I think most probably summer. There are other sets in the pipeline. Also i need to see new cyrillic legends in combination with already existing legends. Maybe some adjustments are needed. But i want make sure they will match. So it needs its time too.
Sorry got my winter and your winter mixed up I think.
Oh i see your location. Haha. I mean yeah in your case its winter :)
I remember figuring it out a couple of days ago and that is why I went wrong. :)
Good timing I think need to give my bank account a rest from keyboard related stuff :))
Post by: RNT on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:02:29
Post by: oisw on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:48:31
Post by: nguyenkimtam on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:36:20
Post by: Mattr567 on Fri, 22 January 2016, 01:19:17
But still a great set :)
Post by: pattulus on Fri, 22 January 2016, 23:10:13
Post by: WSweg on Sun, 24 January 2016, 23:20:44
Post by: mun2912 on Thu, 28 January 2016, 02:33:08
Post by: Tabletopcheese on Sun, 31 January 2016, 17:47:52
Post by: UTEster750 on Sun, 31 January 2016, 22:17:58
When ever this becomes a reality, Im buying the Cyrillic for sure.
Cyrillic is going to be the ****! :D
Post by: mun2912 on Mon, 01 February 2016, 10:38:54
Post by: Zambumon on Mon, 01 February 2016, 10:56:20
I think there should be 3u spacebar in case T0mb3ry want it to support Filco Minila
Space bars might be sold separately (3U, 4u and 7U), just like he did with Carbon.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 February 2016, 14:49:28
Exactly. This will be the same for Yuri.I think there should be 3u spacebar in case T0mb3ry want it to support Filco Minila
Space bars might be sold separately (3U, 4u and 7U), just like he did with Carbon.
Post by: mun2912 on Tue, 02 February 2016, 10:41:59
Great...i bought 3u space with Carbon set ;DExactly. This will be the same for Yuri.I think there should be 3u spacebar in case T0mb3ry want it to support Filco Minila
Space bars might be sold separately (3U, 4u and 7U), just like he did with Carbon.
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:12:03
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:42:47
Any hope for double legends on the Cyrillic set even for just some smaller alpha letters printed either on the top or side of each keycap?
Was already considering. I mean i am open to make only Cyrillic base kit with front printed latin letters (if everyone could live with it)
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 02 February 2016, 12:46:53
I love the idea! This just a better way to go.Any hope for double legends on the Cyrillic set even for just some smaller alpha letters printed either on the top or side of each keycap?
Was already considering. I mean i am open to make only Cyrillic base kit with front printed latin letters (if everyone could live with it)
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 02 February 2016, 14:00:34
Just wanted to add the thought to this already amazing set.
Post by: climbalima on Tue, 02 February 2016, 15:20:07
Post by: hcwt on Tue, 02 February 2016, 21:25:21
Post by: renzpwns on Wed, 03 February 2016, 00:30:07
Post by: Hispes on Thu, 04 February 2016, 04:52:45
I need this set in my life
Same. My wallet will hate me, especially after Nantucket Selectric, but these MUST be purchased.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 08 February 2016, 15:49:12
I really really want to hold out for Yuri...but Nantucket Selectric is calling for me since it's a SA set running now. I must resist.
Post by: alexjd99 on Mon, 08 February 2016, 23:25:59
Feeling so torn.BUT THOSE DOUBLE SHOT CYRILLICS
I really really want to hold out for Yuri...but Nantucket Selectric is calling for me since it's a SA set running now. I must resist.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 08 February 2016, 23:42:39
Feeling so torn.BUT THOSE DOUBLE SHOT CYRILLICS
I really really want to hold out for Yuri...but Nantucket Selectric is calling for me since it's a SA set running now. I must resist.
I just have to repeat to myself that I'll have Granite to tide myself over until Yuri.
Post by: kolashnikov on Tue, 09 February 2016, 07:40:23
Feeling so torn.
I really really want to hold out for Yuri...but Nantucket Selectric is calling for me since it's a SA set running now. I must resist.
I, too, am having this trouble. I've never had an SA set, and although Nantucket Selectric looks really nice, I'm saving myself for Yuri!
... but if I knew where to get a wood & brass ergodox case, I'd be all over Nantucket in a heartbeat.
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Tue, 09 February 2016, 08:51:44
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 09 February 2016, 09:28:22
Is there any chance of seeing mockups of the front printed set? Can't decide between the two!Based on what I saw from Carbon SA set front printed led caps, it's beautiful.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 February 2016, 11:17:45
- rush it and release it in a few months (Which i dislike somehow. I feel a little bit uncomfortable with current legends. Also i need to speak to SP or MD for a single run.)
- run it in autumn. I become father this summer and there is also Carbon, which will probably run also somewhere in summer (i didn't expected).
As i already said i want it to run just a single time just to introduce cyrillics, as you know i got already to much stuff todo with Carbon. Feel free to create a keyset with exact the same colorway, as nobody owns a colorway ;) .
For people who are sitting on the fence to jump onto Nantucket Selectric GB. Dont be foolish jump in. Nantucket Selectric is a beautiful keyset and you will regret it not to get in. Trust me it will look bloody gorgeus.
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 09 February 2016, 11:37:35
This GB is one that, I think, you really want to have thought through in your mind and the only way you can do that successfully is with patience and time. Luck may hit you one moment and everything could just come together. Should that time come, we'll be ready, if not, wait for it.
Post by: sircheddar on Thu, 11 February 2016, 21:40:22
Post by: Ephemeral on Thu, 11 February 2016, 22:16:59
Post by: simonyunhe on Fri, 12 February 2016, 00:01:03
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Fri, 12 February 2016, 06:07:35
Post by: spoonypirate on Fri, 12 February 2016, 17:27:17
Any hope for double legends on the Cyrillic set even for just some smaller alpha letters printed either on the top or side of each keycap?
Was already considering. I mean i am open to make only Cyrillic base kit with front printed latin letters (if everyone could live with it)
Oh, definitely do this!
Post by: grav3serker on Sat, 13 February 2016, 00:05:23
Post by: pattulus on Wed, 17 February 2016, 22:36:15
Post by: evangs on Thu, 18 February 2016, 13:05:22
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 18 February 2016, 13:53:14
Big question: would it be possible to have a simple Colemak/Dvorak child kit?
Um as front print (colemak and dvorak for latin). Yes why not.
I'm so in for a Cyrillic set, especially if this runs later in the year. Keep up the good work!
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
WTF youtube
Post by: evangs on Thu, 18 February 2016, 13:59:00
I'm so in for a Cyrillic set, especially if this runs later in the year. Keep up the good work!
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I agree, I'm looking at doing a custom set for my keyboard kit GB and had to go with another profile to be able to run as soon as I want :/ so many SA sets scheduled and so many more in IC
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 18 February 2016, 23:00:46
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 18 February 2016, 23:29:16
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
Call me impatient, but I agree. I think this is ready to be run.
Post by: evangs on Thu, 18 February 2016, 23:30:42
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
Call me impatient, but I agree. I think this is ready to be run.
SP is backed up with SA orders at least until July
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 19 February 2016, 00:03:47
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
I dont know if people are ready to wait more than 6 months to get their keys. I need to make also some adjustments but its not that consumes a lot of time and is done in short time.
However i am missing a key for Deskthority. The Design for Deskthority key you see is owned by Deskthority club. I asked them for permission and didn't get one. Please do not go crazy on Deskthority its their right and i respect that. Also i am not the Deskthority club member so i personaly understand the reasons. Thay also have their rules and traditions which i do respect. So i still have no idea how to represent Deskthority. And i must because they are an important part of comunity. I've done some but it will never reach that style and simplicity of the original DT key. I need to show them the skteches and see if they accept it.
Again if someone is skilled in typography, please check the cyrillics and i would be thankful for pointing out some errors.
Post by: Hispes on Fri, 19 February 2016, 04:50:11
Yeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
I dont know if people are ready to wait more than 6 months to get their keys. I need to make also some adjustments but its not that consumes a lot of time and is done in short time.
However i am missing a key for Deskthority. The Design for Deskthority key you see is owned by Deskthority club. I asked them for permission and didn't get one. Please do not go crazy on Deskthority its their right and i respect that. Also i am not the Deskthority club member so i personaly understand the reasons. Thay also have their rules and traditions which i do respect. So i still have no idea how to represent Deskthority. And i must because they are an important part of comunity. I've done some but it will never reach that style and simplicity of the original DT key. I need to show them the skteches and see if they accept it.
Again if someone is skilled in typography, please check the cyrillics and i would be thankful for pointing out some errors.
So long as I know the keys are coming, I'm OK to wait. I'll have Nantucket Selectric and a custom build to keep me busy until these arrive.
My body is ready. My wallet is... well, she'll get over it.
Post by: AwSmCreator on Sat, 20 February 2016, 06:01:15
Post by: alexjd99 on Sun, 21 February 2016, 16:49:03
I would be more than ok with waiting for this set. The colors are perfect, the theme is perfect, and the execution is perfect IMO. As long as we'll get a quality set, I think everyone would be very happyYeah i mean Pulse will be done somewhere in sommer? And where will be another sets including Carbon. Its just ridiculous how SP is booked out.
I say you're ready then. The color is absolutely perfect, your reputation is high with the successful Carbon run. I say start a poll on MD and talk to YanboWu and Alex and the gang and get this one in the pile. We've got novelties, we've got Cyrillic and Latin font, we've got kits, get in before this entire design gets picked up. You're ready :thumb:
I dont know if people are ready to wait more than 6 months to get their keys. I need to make also some adjustments but its not that consumes a lot of time and is done in short time.
However i am missing a key for Deskthority. The Design for Deskthority key you see is owned by Deskthority club. I asked them for permission and didn't get one. Please do not go crazy on Deskthority its their right and i respect that. Also i am not the Deskthority club member so i personaly understand the reasons. Thay also have their rules and traditions which i do respect. So i still have no idea how to represent Deskthority. And i must because they are an important part of comunity. I've done some but it will never reach that style and simplicity of the original DT key. I need to show them the skteches and see if they accept it.
Again if someone is skilled in typography, please check the cyrillics and i would be thankful for pointing out some errors.
Post by: need on Mon, 22 February 2016, 00:07:26
Post by: evangs on Mon, 22 February 2016, 09:53:34
Please do cyrillical all the way instead of having both qwerty and cyrillical on each key, as that'd be too much and just unnecessary.
I agree!
Post by: Volucris on Mon, 22 February 2016, 10:07:56
Please do cyrillical all the way instead of having both qwerty and cyrillical on each key, as that'd be too much and just unnecessary.Same here. I'm all for waiting for later this year when SP is available again and the keys are more refined. I'm a big fan of the Cyrillic.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 22 February 2016, 10:52:04
All the non-alphas (non cyrillic) legends will be deep blue as modifiers.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 22 February 2016, 11:52:33
Ok here again for lazy ones.
This is the Base kit with look a like front printed ansi layout.
(http://i.imgur.com/2gPE9Xh.jpg)
For those who are curious how SP front print looks like.
(http://i.imgur.com/TAYquPs.jpg)
Pardon for the potato camera.
Post by: Jedi on Mon, 22 February 2016, 15:37:05
Post by: need on Mon, 22 February 2016, 17:08:04
I said/suggested here (somewhere) already before. This is going to be only cyrillic base kit with front printed (probably deep blue color like modifiers) latin layout :)
All the non-alphas (non cyrillic) legends will be deep blue as modifiers.
Hey, this version actually look better than what I have in mind, and quite sophisticated indeed :)
Now being only one base kit left, will it bring down the production price? :D
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 22 February 2016, 21:58:08
Post by: VereChi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 04:47:51
Post by: kolashnikov on Tue, 23 February 2016, 06:55:07
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
Post by: Hispes on Tue, 23 February 2016, 07:38:51
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
This. I can't even begin to understand why someone, obviously into keyboards/keycaps, would need front printed Latin legends anyway. But, I am one person. Maybe it will grow on me as well.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 23 February 2016, 08:15:45
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
This. I can't even begin to understand why someone, obviously into keyboards/keycaps, would need front printed Latin legends anyway. But, I am one person. Maybe it will grow on me as well.
I'm with you. I would prefer single legend cyrillics as well. I still like the set, but would like it more without front printed Latin legends
Post by: simonyunhe on Tue, 23 February 2016, 08:50:15
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
Check this out! Not that bad ;D!
in few hours we will have the GB up and running. In the meantime... Whitefox on SA Retro :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6YJClC.jpg)
Post by: evangs on Tue, 23 February 2016, 09:16:30
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
Check this out! Not that bad ;D!in few hours we will have the GB up and running. In the meantime... Whitefox on SA Retro :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6YJClC.jpg)
Thanks for posting this. Helps give a better idea and yeah not bad at all!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 23 February 2016, 09:23:44
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
This. I can't even begin to understand why someone, obviously into keyboards/keycaps, would need front printed Latin legends anyway. But, I am one person. Maybe it will grow on me as well.
I'm with you. I would prefer single legend cyrillics as well. I still like the set, but would like it more without front printed Latin legends
T0mb3ry, I wonder if it's possible to split the orders into two groups? One would be doubleshot cyrillics with pad printing, the other would be doubleshot cyrillics without pad printing. I know there is a strict MOQ/pricing for injection molding, but it might be worth asking if we can only pad print some sets, since that is a discrete process and "should" be simpler to setup etc. ? Just a thought. :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 23 February 2016, 10:51:34
I hate to be a party pooper, but the front printing makes it look too busy for me. I hope it grows on me, or single legend cyrillics still happen somehow.
Are there any other shots of front printed SA, preferably a full set on a board?
This. I can't even begin to understand why someone, obviously into keyboards/keycaps, would need front printed Latin legends anyway. But, I am one person. Maybe it will grow on me as well.
I'm with you. I would prefer single legend cyrillics as well. I still like the set, but would like it more without front printed Latin legends
T0mb3ry, I wonder if it's possible to split the orders into two groups? One would be doubleshot cyrillics with pad printing, the other would be doubleshot cyrillics without pad printing. I know there is a strict MOQ/pricing for injection molding, but it might be worth asking if we can only pad print some sets, since that is a discrete process and "should" be simpler to setup etc. ? Just a thought. :)
Got this already on my mind. I think its obvious that the front print should be optional. However it depends on SPs conditions. But i think it should be no problem.
In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 11:37:49
This would be the premier for the first run (using MD as the example). This is always a big plus for a buy and worked in favor for other keycap GBs (like Granite) because people knew that what was available that buy may never be run again.
Please give it a serious consideration.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:19:40
RMK
(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)
GeekHack
(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)
Deskthority
(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)
XPost.
PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:39:50
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:42:58
I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
Post by: need on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:48:54
My suggestions for forum keys. DT key will happen as i got no permission for the usual DT key you know. The RMK will happen too, because of reasons. However for the geekhack you can decide to make it this way or use the already existing one.
RMKShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)
GeekHackShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)
DeskthorityShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)
XPost.
PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Would love to hear about your rationale behind these designs. :D
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:51:09
I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
Derp, my bad!
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 27 February 2016, 07:56:03
How about the extra ESC key? Blue base with orange alpha.I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:01:43
How about the extra ESC key? Blue base with orange alpha.I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
That's also in the render, there's 3 ESC keys. The blue one is the E looking one at the end of the number row.
Post by: R4WBIT on Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:10:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:52:47
My suggestions for forum keys. DT key will happen as i got no permission for the usual DT key you know. The RMK will happen too, because of reasons. However for the geekhack you can decide to make it this way or use the already existing one.
RMKShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)
GeekHackShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)
DeskthorityShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)
XPost.
PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Would love to hear about your rationale behind these designs. :D
Ok.
First of all you have to know forum keys are kind of representation of the community and they are a must in almost every keyset (if its possible and does not let price explode).
RMK
You have to know i hate dramas. I'll not explain the concrete reasons, because it may start another drama. So i decided just to make rmk key from scratch. It is designed in honeycumb pattern. I agree its most suited for carbon, but it does not prevent it from usage in different themed keysets, as honeycumb pattern is quite neutral. Also due to the placements of letters i could get rid of slashes "/". Its simple and understandable.
GeekHack
For this you have to understand my POV of communities. There are RMK, GeekHack and Deskthority. Despite that, there is kind of religion wars (mostly between rmk and geekhack) but all of them profit of each other and its a good thing. RMK is in my POV like "NewYork Times". Its a news paper. It has todo with how reddit works. Posts get burried quickly. GeekHack and Deskthority are on the other hand far different from RMK. In those two forums things are getting developed and made. In my POV GeekHack and Deskthority are the Engines who runs the community. This is why GeekHack is made inside of a Gear. It keeps things running. The same is for Deskthority and i actually wanted to make two gears (DT and GH) spinning each other. However DT is little bit different.
Deskthority
You know Deskthority. But do you know Deskthority club? Yes those ladies and gentlements got their own club. So they got their traditions and so on. Despite they are kind of conservative (in my opinion) they also keep things running. Think of Matt3o, afaik he is a Deskthority club member.
I asked Deskthority for a permission to use their Forum key. They were thankful because i asked them (despite other designers dont even ask them and use it anyway) but they refused kindly. I respect that.
So it was kind of hard to get the idea how to represent deskthority. I picked the "Authority" and mixed it with "Tradition", because they got some. So the only thing that came into my mind was a "Wappen" (Crest or coat of arms in english). I am honestly not quite happy with it. But i got no better idea for Deskthority. In the first Carbon run i was asked why i did not included Deskthority into forum keys. Well, here it is.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:09:23
Is it decided that there will be English front print? :(
It will be optional. I mean in my opinion you should be able to choose if you want a front print.
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 27 February 2016, 09:56:08
I understand this one, I guess I just want one with "Esc" letters on it. It will match my 60% board better. Thx!How about the extra ESC key? Blue base with orange alpha.I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
That's also in the render, there's 3 ESC keys. The blue one is the E looking one at the end of the number row.
For reference:
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/f39e60b7a8e39631c168437d20240caa.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 10:04:21
I understand this one, I guess I just want one with "Esc" letters on it. It will match my 60% board better. Thx!How about the extra ESC key? Blue base with orange alpha.I think the front print could actually look pretty cool. The \ and | key, could we get that in the same colour as the modifiers? I can only see the one colour in the render.
Uhm the base kit includes it already. Look at additional keys below. Its paired with "up" key.
That's also in the render, there's 3 ESC keys. The blue one is the E looking one at the end of the number row.
For reference:Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160227/f39e60b7a8e39631c168437d20240caa.jpg)
The representation of base kit is incomplete. It misses two things.
1. Escape key in modifers colors is missing.
2. The arrow keys should be changed to words (up, down, left, right). The symbol arrow keys will remain in Stripe kit.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 14:57:14
- One single Base kit with option for US ANSI fron print. Front print i wish it could be possible to print other layouts like uk iso, dvorak and colemak. However this kind of thing is upto SP. Do they need for this MOQ? I dont know.
Following kits has been adjusted to cyrillic (russian layout)
- Planck/Atomic kit
- ISO kit
- Adapter Mod kit
- Stripe kit
Some other changes:
- Hammer and sicle keys has been separated from Novelties. Its now the Glorious kit.
- Novelties: the enter has now star with stripes instead of "поехали".
- Forum keys got new legends.
Reducing the double shot legends to only cyrillic makes other kits kind of lightweight and i appreciate it.
Post by: need on Sat, 27 February 2016, 15:36:13
Really like those two, and the DT one does look a bit odd to me.My suggestions for forum keys. DT key will happen as i got no permission for the usual DT key you know. The RMK will happen too, because of reasons. However for the geekhack you can decide to make it this way or use the already existing one.
RMKShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)
GeekHackShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)
DeskthorityShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)
XPost.
PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Would love to hear about your rationale behind these designs. :D
Ok.
First of all you have to know forum keys are kind of representation of the community and they are a must in almost every keyset (if its possible and does not let price explode).
RMK
You have to know i hate dramas. I'll not explain the concrete reasons, because it may start another drama. So i decided just to make rmk key from scratch. It is designed in honeycumb pattern. I agree its most suited for carbon, but it does not prevent it from usage in different themed keysets, as honeycumb pattern is quite neutral. Also due to the placements of letters i could get rid of slashes "/". Its simple and understandable.
GeekHack
For this you have to understand my POV of communities. There are RMK, GeekHack and Deskthority. Despite that, there is kind of religion wars (mostly between rmk and geekhack) but all of them profit of each other and its a good thing. RMK is in my POV like "NewYork Times". Its a news paper. It has todo with how reddit works. Posts get burried quickly. GeekHack and Deskthority are on the other hand far different from RMK. In those two forums things are getting developed and made. In my POV GeekHack and Deskthority are the Engines who runs the community. This is why GeekHack is made inside of a Gear. It keeps things running. The same is for Deskthority and i actually wanted to make two gears (DT and GH) spinning each other. However DT is little bit different.
Deskthority
You know Deskthority. But do you know Deskthority club? Yes those ladies and gentlements got their own club. So they got their traditions and so on. Despite they are kind of conservative (in my opinion) they also keep things running. Think of Matt3o, afaik he is a Deskthority club member.
I asked Deskthority for a permission to use their Forum key. They were thankful because i asked them (despite other designers dont even ask them and use it anyway) but they refused kindly. I respect that.
So it was kind of hard to get the idea how to represent deskthority. I picked the "Authority" and mixed it with "Tradition", because they got some. So the only thing that came into my mind was a "Wappen" (Crest or coat of arms in english). I am honestly not quite happy with it. But i got no better idea for Deskthority. In the first Carbon run i was asked why i did not included Deskthority into forum keys. Well, here it is.
And,
Would you consider having UK keys as well? :)
Post by: Ephemeral on Sat, 27 February 2016, 15:36:59
I'll be looking forward to this hitting the GB phase. I'll be down for a set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 27 February 2016, 15:51:42
Really like those two, and the DT one does look a bit odd to me.My suggestions for forum keys. DT key will happen as i got no permission for the usual DT key you know. The RMK will happen too, because of reasons. However for the geekhack you can decide to make it this way or use the already existing one.
RMKShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/5WXQN05.jpg)
GeekHackShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/m6Vy5a6.jpg)
DeskthorityShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0ZQFcMS.jpg)
XPost.
PS. If those are getting made feel free to use them for your keyset design. There is no need to ask for permission. I am trying to make permissions-free forum keys.
Would love to hear about your rationale behind these designs. :D
Ok.
First of all you have to know forum keys are kind of representation of the community and they are a must in almost every keyset (if its possible and does not let price explode).
RMK
You have to know i hate dramas. I'll not explain the concrete reasons, because it may start another drama. So i decided just to make rmk key from scratch. It is designed in honeycumb pattern. I agree its most suited for carbon, but it does not prevent it from usage in different themed keysets, as honeycumb pattern is quite neutral. Also due to the placements of letters i could get rid of slashes "/". Its simple and understandable.
GeekHack
For this you have to understand my POV of communities. There are RMK, GeekHack and Deskthority. Despite that, there is kind of religion wars (mostly between rmk and geekhack) but all of them profit of each other and its a good thing. RMK is in my POV like "NewYork Times". Its a news paper. It has todo with how reddit works. Posts get burried quickly. GeekHack and Deskthority are on the other hand far different from RMK. In those two forums things are getting developed and made. In my POV GeekHack and Deskthority are the Engines who runs the community. This is why GeekHack is made inside of a Gear. It keeps things running. The same is for Deskthority and i actually wanted to make two gears (DT and GH) spinning each other. However DT is little bit different.
Deskthority
You know Deskthority. But do you know Deskthority club? Yes those ladies and gentlements got their own club. So they got their traditions and so on. Despite they are kind of conservative (in my opinion) they also keep things running. Think of Matt3o, afaik he is a Deskthority club member.
I asked Deskthority for a permission to use their Forum key. They were thankful because i asked them (despite other designers dont even ask them and use it anyway) but they refused kindly. I respect that.
So it was kind of hard to get the idea how to represent deskthority. I picked the "Authority" and mixed it with "Tradition", because they got some. So the only thing that came into my mind was a "Wappen" (Crest or coat of arms in english). I am honestly not quite happy with it. But i got no better idea for Deskthority. In the first Carbon run i was asked why i did not included Deskthority into forum keys. Well, here it is.
And,
Would you consider having UK keys as well? :)
As i said i am not happy with DT key. Hope some day a better idea will hit me.
UK keys? Probably only as front print. As you see for double shot its only Cyrillic. I hope it would be possible to frontpring not only UK but also Dvorak or Colemak. Basically the layout you like. But its not up to me. If there is MOQ for such kind of prints then we might end up with US Ansi only.
Post by: Rev. on Mon, 29 February 2016, 14:52:40
In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
I know it was written off previously due to cost concerns, but do you think that it could be possible to get the sort of volume that's necessary to run cyrillic modifiers if this was done via MassDrop?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 29 February 2016, 15:29:40
In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
I know it was written off previously due to cost concerns, but do you think that it could be possible to get the sort of volume that's necessary to run cyrillic modifiers if this was done via MassDrop?
In case of modifiers you should look at Modern Selectric, which introduced completely new modifers. It was quite expensive. Now immagine new alphas + modifiers. What is unspeakable. The only thing i see how this can be done is making two drops. First one introduces the Alphas and the second one the modifiers. One single run is too expensive and would only scare people off.
Edit: The most important thing here is the demand. Its unknown. I can probably pull such things with Carbon (due to popularity) but again Cyrillics are niche. Not everyone appreciate them. Its a risk not reaching the moq.
Post by: kolashnikov on Mon, 29 February 2016, 20:37:48
In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
I know it was written off previously due to cost concerns, but do you think that it could be possible to get the sort of volume that's necessary to run cyrillic modifiers if this was done via MassDrop?
In case of modifiers you should look at Modern Selectric, which introduced completely new modifers. It was quite expensive. Now immagine new alphas + modifiers. What is unspeakable. The only thing i see how this can be done is making two drops. First one introduces the Alphas and the second one the modifiers. One single run is too expensive and would only scare people off.
Edit: The most important thing here is the demand. Its unknown. I can probably pull such things with Carbon (due to popularity) but again Cyrillics are niche. Not everyone appreciate them. Its a risk not reaching the moq.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Some MD keyset drops kill it, like pulse and granite, but the recent rounds of those two are certainly helped by people posting and seeing pics in the forums. This is pretty special and people might hesitate.
Did the otaku set introduce new legends? I wonder if we can expect price and interest similar to that set [also ran on MD]. From what I read it didn't do great, but made it to production.
Post by: need on Tue, 01 March 2016, 01:38:35
This set somehow got some carbon feel to it, and considering there's still a lot of people want carbon, I trust this set would do greatly. Never seen that much request on a set on massdrop.In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
I know it was written off previously due to cost concerns, but do you think that it could be possible to get the sort of volume that's necessary to run cyrillic modifiers if this was done via MassDrop?
In case of modifiers you should look at Modern Selectric, which introduced completely new modifers. It was quite expensive. Now immagine new alphas + modifiers. What is unspeakable. The only thing i see how this can be done is making two drops. First one introduces the Alphas and the second one the modifiers. One single run is too expensive and would only scare people off.
Edit: The most important thing here is the demand. Its unknown. I can probably pull such things with Carbon (due to popularity) but again Cyrillics are niche. Not everyone appreciate them. Its a risk not reaching the moq.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Some MD keyset drops kill it, like pulse and granite, but the recent rounds of those two are certainly helped by people posting and seeing pics in the forums. This is pretty special and people might hesitate.
Did the otaku set introduce new legends? I wonder if we can expect price and interest similar to that set [also ran on MD]. From what I read it didn't do great, but made it to production.
And the Cyrillic in my opinion would attract people due to people tend to like unusual / exotic things.
Post by: johuu on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:31:59
Post by: need on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:40:54
FYI: Today Yuri Gagarin was born in 1934 :)Okay, let's bring it onto GB :D
Post by: Hispes on Wed, 09 March 2016, 13:56:01
FYI: Today Yuri Gagarin was born in 1934 :)
Yuri + Kosmonavt + GON TKL = end game?
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:10:03
Otaku was dyesub, whole different animal.In regards of running it through MassDrop. You have to keep in mind they'd like to run it again (depending on success but most probably). I know it is not possible to make a single run through mussdrop. However MD has more potential buyers, which will lead most probably to a succes making first double shot cyrillics.
Doing traditional GB is a no go for me, as i got no time. I would love to do so but i am full time worker and i got some other projects on my back. Also its a huge responsibility and i highly respect those people who run GB by their own.
Think about it.
I know it was written off previously due to cost concerns, but do you think that it could be possible to get the sort of volume that's necessary to run cyrillic modifiers if this was done via MassDrop?
In case of modifiers you should look at Modern Selectric, which introduced completely new modifers. It was quite expensive. Now immagine new alphas + modifiers. What is unspeakable. The only thing i see how this can be done is making two drops. First one introduces the Alphas and the second one the modifiers. One single run is too expensive and would only scare people off.
Edit: The most important thing here is the demand. Its unknown. I can probably pull such things with Carbon (due to popularity) but again Cyrillics are niche. Not everyone appreciate them. Its a risk not reaching the moq.
I think you hit the nail on the head. Some MD keyset drops kill it, like pulse and granite, but the recent rounds of those two are certainly helped by people posting and seeing pics in the forums. This is pretty special and people might hesitate.
Did the otaku set introduce new legends? I wonder if we can expect price and interest similar to that set [also ran on MD]. From what I read it didn't do great, but made it to production.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:15:28
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Non-Latin-Keysets
I did a scale comparison of some cyrillic letters with latin ones. Also i compared the latin legends (scanned with the real legends) with each other. I think they match each other very well. There is ofcourse some differences, but keep in mind only the missing cyrillics will be made.
In short: i am quite confident about the cyrillic legends.
By the way, if you saw the forum keys for 1976 (which currently is running on MD) i would like to do the same. Its clean, minimalistic and i really like it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:40:57
I made a new poll so people can see the kits.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Yuri-Double-Shot-Cyrillic-SA-Profile
Post by: evangs on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:41:02
Post by: theoriginal123123 on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:48:01
Post by: cheddarbek on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:24:25
Post by: need on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:33:43
This is the only set that I really like currently. :p
Post by: shinz0 on Wed, 09 March 2016, 20:01:13
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 23:03:39
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 10 March 2016, 13:24:53
I think i'll split the Base kit into Alphas and Standard TKL Modifiers. So people who'd like to purchase it for say planck or ergodox dont need to buy TKL modifiers. Just want to treat everyone equally.
Also i said that only the alphas are going to be orange. However if you look at numpad the numbers are orange. I can change it to blue, but i'd like to know your opinion. In my opinion orange numbers on a numpad would provide great balance on 100% board.
By the way, i am thinking about to add some keys to numpad for separate numpad boards. However this might be unnecessary due to Glorious kit and Forums kit. But that are just my thoughts...
Post by: cheddarbek on Thu, 10 March 2016, 13:43:20
I think numbers on the keypad being orange looks perfect.
Post by: Data on Thu, 10 March 2016, 14:25:31
Post by: need on Thu, 10 March 2016, 15:11:12
If it goes into GB:Everything you said right there is gold :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
I think i'll split the Base kit into Alphas and Standard TKL Modifiers. So people who'd like to purchase it for say planck or ergodox dont need to buy TKL modifiers. Just want to treat everyone equally.
Also i said that only the alphas are going to be orange. However if you look at numpad the numbers are orange. I can change it to blue, but i'd like to know your opinion. In my opinion orange numbers on a numpad would provide great balance on 100% board.
By the way, i am thinking about to add some keys to numpad for separate numpad boards. However this might be unnecessary due to Glorious kit and Forums kit. But that are just my thoughts...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:03:33
I hope everything is on its place. If i missed or you are missing something then please reply. I'll look into it.
Post by: need on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:13:15
Kits have been adjusted. Check the first page.there's still chance for UK front print right?
I hope everything is on its place. If i missed or you are missing something then please reply. I'll look into it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 11 March 2016, 16:31:39
Kits have been adjusted. Check the first page.there's still chance for UK front print right?
I hope everything is on its place. If i missed or you are missing something then please reply. I'll look into it.
Actually i would love if everyone could frontprint what ever he wants (ISO, Colemak, Dvorak etc.). However its not up to me. SP is setting the rules. I actually dont know if there is kind of MOQ for frontprint. If there is one, then i fear it could mean that there will be only US Ansi. At the moment i have no idea. But i thing front print is not that difficult to pull off as mold the keys. So i expect frontprint is going to be no problem. Again i am expecting(speculating). So i do not promisse. Take it with a grain of salt. ;)
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 March 2016, 08:00:55
(http://i.imgur.com/HYPgrBv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qVCL9mm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/gG1sBcx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/AFJneYo.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H0CmxxY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4nqbIFm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/u6TjIqM.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 14 March 2016, 11:09:49
I'll take one of each please. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HYPgrBv.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qVCL9mm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gG1sBcx.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/AFJneYo.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/H0CmxxY.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/4nqbIFm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6TjIqM.jpg)
Sir! You got quite a lot of keyboards! :))
By the way i dont know actually on which layout it will look the best. For example AFAIK people prefer Carbon on ErgoDox. But this i dont know.
Post by: cheddarbek on Mon, 14 March 2016, 14:38:36
Sir! You got quite a lot of keyboards! :))
By the way i dont know actually on which layout it will look the best. For example AFAIK people prefer Carbon on ErgoDox. But this i dont know.
I'm definitely looking at using this on an ergodox. That was what I had in mind as soon as I saw this set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 14 March 2016, 15:21:29
Sir! You got quite a lot of keyboards! :))
By the way i dont know actually on which layout it will look the best. For example AFAIK people prefer Carbon on ErgoDox. But this i dont know.
I'm definitely looking at using this on an ergodox. That was what I had in mind as soon as I saw this set.
Someday i'll buy me an ErgoDox too. I always wanted one. But now i have to tame my keyboard madness...
Post by: drpatrickbateman on Fri, 18 March 2016, 17:19:05
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sat, 19 March 2016, 05:18:08
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 19 March 2016, 06:17:01
Can't wait for this one. Are there going to be Cyrillics and US alphas or are we only going to have the option for front printed? I wonder how many people would get both, if offered. I certainly do would buy both, as well as some of the other child sets.
In general, this set is going to be only cyrillic with an option for frontprint (us ansi). However everything depends on SP's conditions for frontprint. I dont know if they have MOQ for frontprint and if they can do individual frontprint for each buyer. These questions should be solved before GB. As you know MD gets quite different conditions from SP.
If SP has no MOQ for frontprint and if they can do it individually but with some extra costs (10-20$ maybe), then most possibly i will introduce US Ansi Alphas and ofcourse i need to adjust the child deals for it.
Again Cyrillics are the main feature of this set and they must be made no matter what.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 20 March 2016, 04:03:49
Can't wait for this one. Are there going to be Cyrillics and US alphas or are we only going to have the option for front printed? I wonder how many people would get both, if offered. I certainly do would buy both, as well as some of the other child sets.
In general, this set is going to be only cyrillic with an option for frontprint (us ansi). However everything depends on SP's conditions for frontprint. I dont know if they have MOQ for frontprint and if they can do individual frontprint for each buyer. These questions should be solved before GB. As you know MD gets quite different conditions from SP.
If SP has no MOQ for frontprint and if they can do it individually but with some extra costs (10-20$ maybe), then most possibly i will introduce US Ansi Alphas and ofcourse i need to adjust the child deals for it.
Again Cyrillics are the main feature of this set and they must be made no matter what.
I agree with you about the Cyrillics. They are what makes this set so awesome in the first place. Here's hoping for conditions to be right so both alphas can be offered! ;)
Post by: chintimin on Tue, 22 March 2016, 00:30:30
Post by: muon on Sun, 03 April 2016, 05:25:17
Post by: simonyunhe on Sun, 03 April 2016, 05:48:23
Any estimate on when this might get rolling? Loving the concepts so far.Not yet, also waiting for the updates :-D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 03 April 2016, 06:01:13
Any estimate on when this might get rolling? Loving the concepts so far.
Nothing yet. Kunal and Yanbo are already aware of Yuri. However i think MDs schedule is full currently and may take some time for a possible drop.
Post by: simonyunhe on Sun, 03 April 2016, 06:06:50
As I know, Hana(DSA) will available next week; Junkbox R2 will show up during the May; Dash and Dancer scheduled later summer. MD has whole lots to do!Any estimate on when this might get rolling? Loving the concepts so far.
Nothing yet. Kunal and Yanbo are already aware of Yuri. However i think MDs schedule is full currently and may take some time for a possible drop.
Post by: muon on Fri, 08 April 2016, 02:33:33
Post by: apaskal on Fri, 08 April 2016, 11:05:13
I may name it 'Gagarin Hard Core Mods'
Based on real USSR keyboards Mods Labels.
Post by: Corusco on Fri, 08 April 2016, 15:17:27
Post by: Data on Fri, 08 April 2016, 16:45:26
My version of Mods keys :). Just for fun :)
I may name it 'Gagarin Hard Core Mods'
Based on real USSR keyboards Mods Labels.
2 hardcore 4 me
Post by: johuu on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:16:50
Post by: need on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:34:41
Fun fact: Today in history the USSR launched the first human, Yuri Gagarin, into space aboard Vostok 1 in 1961.Okay, let's have this set launched on launch day. :D
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:40:13
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 12 April 2016, 11:53:51
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 12 April 2016, 12:02:14
Before UDSSR collapse Gagarin was our hero. Every boy wanted to be like Gagarin (including me). But enough with old stories :))
Metro train in moscow :)
(http://www.interfax.ru/ftproot/photos/photostory/2016/04/12/cosm8_700.jpg)
Post by: johuu on Tue, 12 April 2016, 14:50:17
Nowadays you got marvel heroes and etc.
Before UDSSR collapse Gagarin was our hero. Every boy wanted to be like Gagarin (including me). But enough with old stories :))
Metro train in moscow :)Show Image(http://www.interfax.ru/ftproot/photos/photostory/2016/04/12/cosm8_700.jpg)
Very cool picture.
Post by: hotpotatoe on Sat, 07 May 2016, 09:58:05
My version of Mods keys :). Just for fun :)
I may name it 'Gagarin Hard Core Mods'
Based on real USSR keyboards Mods Labels.
Looks bloody awesome, would definitely prefer this over the standard modifiers
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 08 May 2016, 00:46:34
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 08 May 2016, 12:21:55
Question: since there will be optional US ANSI alphas, would it be possible to also have a Homing child kit for us Colemak and Dvorak users?
Honestly, i hope SP allows every possible layout to be frontprinted. However this depends on the SPs conditions. Right now i can't say nothing about the possibilities. I don't even have an eta for the drop. There is an interesst from MDs side but its quiet right now. I think we will talk about Yuri after GMK Carbon drop, which will happen in July. So far i got no updates.
Post by: imprevade on Mon, 09 May 2016, 09:18:20
Post by: dunglefinker on Thu, 12 May 2016, 12:30:53
Post by: daybreak365 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 01:23:06
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 01 June 2016, 02:20:07
Question: since there will be optional US ANSI alphas, would it be possible to also have a Homing child kit for us Colemak and Dvorak users?
Honestly, i hope SP allows every possible layout to be frontprinted. However this depends on the SPs conditions. Right now i can't say nothing about the possibilities. I don't even have an eta for the drop. There is an interesst from MDs side but its quiet right now. I think we will talk about Yuri after GMK Carbon drop, which will happen in July. So far i got no updates.
Question: since there will be optional US ANSI alphas, would it be possible to also have a Homing child kit for us Colemak and Dvorak users?
Honestly, i hope SP allows every possible layout to be frontprinted. However this depends on the SPs conditions. Right now i can't say nothing about the possibilities. I don't even have an eta for the drop. There is an interesst from MDs side but its quiet right now. I think we will talk about Yuri after GMK Carbon drop, which will happen in July. So far i got no updates.
Any news on whether this GB might happen?
Post by: Treadstone on Wed, 01 June 2016, 05:38:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:30:52
(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Post by: evangs on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:44:47
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.The cyrillics make this set!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
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Post by: gutsack on Fri, 08 July 2016, 13:51:05
Post by: Damonskv on Fri, 08 July 2016, 16:14:53
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.I'm sorry to disagree with you, sir. Voting for cyrillics only. Голосую за Юрия :) :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Post by: johuu on Fri, 08 July 2016, 16:31:01
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
I suggest to do it in the same order like Carbon. You will attract more people for GMK after the a successful SA GB.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 08 July 2016, 16:39:08
Хорошо понял :) Это было только предложение. ГМК можем есчо потом замутить ;)There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.I'm sorry to disagree with you, sir. Voting for cyrillics only. Голосую за Юрия :) :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
I suggest to do it in the same order like Carbon. You will attract more people for GMK after the a successful SA GB.
Agree, sounds legit :)
Post by: evangs on Fri, 08 July 2016, 17:47:00
Yay!!!Хорошо понял :) Это было только предложение. ГМК можем есчо потом замутить ;)There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.I'm sorry to disagree with you, sir. Voting for cyrillics only. Голосую за Юрия :) :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
I suggest to do it in the same order like Carbon. You will attract more people for GMK after the a successful SA GB.
Agree, sounds legit :)
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Post by: renzpwns on Fri, 08 July 2016, 19:02:58
Post by: SBJ on Sat, 09 July 2016, 01:08:35
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.This looks really good. I'd be very interested in this!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Post by: juahenza on Sat, 09 July 2016, 01:17:39
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Works well! :thumb:
Post by: sherbo on Sat, 09 July 2016, 19:06:35
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
I personally prefer SA profile because more layouts are supported.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 10 July 2016, 02:26:38
Хорошо понял :) Это было только предложение. ГМК можем есчо потом замутить ;)There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.I'm sorry to disagree with you, sir. Voting for cyrillics only. Голосую за Юрия :) :cool:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
I suggest to do it in the same order like Carbon. You will attract more people for GMK after the a successful SA GB.
Agree, sounds legit :)
I agree too.
Post by: daybreak365 on Sun, 10 July 2016, 03:33:08
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Would this be in addition to the SA set or instead of the SA set? SA is one of the key reasons why I am interested in this set. If we could get the keys front-printed, then I would vote for Cyrillics on the top and English on the front.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 10 July 2016, 03:46:00
There is a good chance this can be made in Cherry profile with custom colors but without cyrillics. This is just a suggestion.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/brluXlv.jpg)
Would this be in addition to the SA set or instead of the SA set? SA is one of the key reasons why I am interested in this set. If we could get the keys front-printed, then I would vote for Cyrillics on the top and English on the front.
Actually at the beginning Yuri was supposed to be made in Cherry profile. We switched to SA profile for Cyrillics, because probably doubleshot cyrillics were never done before and its a nice profile (especially for topre). However i think this should be done also in cherry profile.
So i plan to make Yuri first in SA Profile and only cyrillic (with latin frontprint optionaly) and after that its going to be made in Cherry profile but in only Latin. However Yuri SA will not happen this Year, because Massdrops schedule is full. But if you want you can always vote for Yuri at Massdrop. The more votes the sooner its going to be reality.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Yuri-Double-Shot-Cyrillic-SA-Profile
Post by: daybreak365 on Mon, 11 July 2016, 14:59:38
Actually at the beginning Yuri was supposed to be made in Cherry profile. We switched to SA profile for Cyrillics, because probably doubleshot cyrillics were never done before and its a nice profile (especially for topre). However i think this should be done also in cherry profile.
So i plan to make Yuri first in SA Profile and only cyrillic (with latin frontprint optionaly) and after that its going to be made in Cherry profile but in only Latin. However Yuri SA will not happen this Year, because Massdrops schedule is full. But if you want you can always vote for Yuri at Massdrop. The more votes the sooner its going to be reality.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Yuri-Double-Shot-Cyrillic-SA-Profile
That sounds awesome! I have already voted on MD. :) I have no qualms about waiting until next year for Yuri SA because it is such a beautiful set. Looking forward to it!
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Wed, 13 July 2016, 03:47:13
Actually at the beginning Yuri was supposed to be made in Cherry profile. We switched to SA profile for Cyrillics, because probably doubleshot cyrillics were never done before and its a nice profile (especially for topre). However i think this should be done also in cherry profile.
So i plan to make Yuri first in SA Profile and only cyrillic (with latin frontprint optionaly) and after that its going to be made in Cherry profile but in only Latin. However Yuri SA will not happen this Year, because Massdrops schedule is full. But if you want you can always vote for Yuri at Massdrop. The more votes the sooner its going to be reality.
https://www.massdrop.com/vote/Yuri-Double-Shot-Cyrillic-SA-Profile
That sounds awesome! I have already voted on MD. :) I have no qualms about waiting until next year for Yuri SA because it is such a beautiful set. Looking forward to it!
I second that. As long as this has a chance to get done in SA, I'm all for waiting. ;)
Post by: ninnysquat on Fri, 15 July 2016, 21:18:03
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Post by: ctzn_voyager on Sun, 07 August 2016, 08:52:47
Post by: maximm on Sun, 07 August 2016, 13:47:09
I dont see a 7u spacebar, is it lost in translation?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 07 August 2016, 14:50:46
Great work, looking forward to it!
I dont see a 7u spacebar, is it lost in translation?
Usually the spacebars are offered separately. Besides the 7u, there are also other sizes like 4.5u, 4u and 3u sizes. Thats for SA profile. For Cherry profile (GMK) it needs a separate development, since the moq of gmk is quite harder to reach
Post by: derezzed on Mon, 08 August 2016, 20:49:38
Post by: sony on Tue, 09 August 2016, 02:37:50
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 09 August 2016, 12:16:37
Has this set been confirmed to drop or is it just very likely? I love the colors. They pop but aren't overwhelming. I'm definitely getting a set when it drops.
Most probably it will drop first half of 2017. In cherry profile (gmk) since SP is booked up completely. We will look if we can bring doubleshot cyrillics with it, but this is not a promise. If doubleshot cyrillics are too expensive then it will be just latin... We are checking right now the pricing for cyrillics.
Post by: potatobot on Wed, 10 August 2016, 01:00:59
great job :thumb:
Post by: Data on Wed, 10 August 2016, 12:33:13
Has this set been confirmed to drop or is it just very likely? I love the colors. They pop but aren't overwhelming. I'm definitely getting a set when it drops.
Most probably it will drop first half of 2017. In cherry profile (gmk) since SP is booked up completely. We will look if we can bring doubleshot cyrillics with it, but this is not a promise. If doubleshot cyrillics are too expensive then it will be just latin... We are checking right now the pricing for cyrillics.
I'll buy it in GMK, but you're going to lose a lot of your child kits if you go this route. Gotta really pair it down to make it affordable.
Still in though. This colorway is too awesome to let slip away.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 August 2016, 12:53:35
Has this set been confirmed to drop or is it just very likely? I love the colors. They pop but aren't overwhelming. I'm definitely getting a set when it drops.
Most probably it will drop first half of 2017. In cherry profile (gmk) since SP is booked up completely. We will look if we can bring doubleshot cyrillics with it, but this is not a promise. If doubleshot cyrillics are too expensive then it will be just latin... We are checking right now the pricing for cyrillics.
I'll buy it in GMK, but you're going to lose a lot of your child kits if you go this route. Gotta really pair it down to make it affordable.
Still in though. This colorway is too awesome to let slip away.
Yeah its gonna be reduced to one versatile base kit. I do not expect it to be as succesful as Carbon as the Colors are to crazy for majority. This is a niche set for people who like powerful/unusual color combinations. Dark blue and baby light blue, with neon orange redish legends. mhhhh....
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 10 August 2016, 12:56:33
Post by: ideus on Wed, 10 August 2016, 13:01:02
Post by: R4WBIT on Wed, 10 August 2016, 14:28:51
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 10 August 2016, 14:44:55
If you make it comprehensive I'd be in, even with the hassle MD is for me at the moment. By comprehensive I mean the render shown below, that I took from another classic set in the IC level, I hope it does not bother the OP of that. If you decided to go the minimal set route, it would be hard for me to justify joining, just because of the colors alone.
I second this! Although you don't have the GMK renders yet, from having a look at the renders for GMK Carbon, I'd say the keys offered in that buy is fairly comprehensive, just need a 6u spacebar and a couple of R4 1u blanks and we should be good to go! Will there be any novelties? Or is that out of the question for GMK due to tooling and mould costs?
Post by: Data on Wed, 10 August 2016, 15:11:00
So no SA for this kit as it stands now? Super disappointed if that is the case :-[
That's not exactly what he said. GMK first, only because GMK has availability. SP has none (on their SA equipment), so planning an SA set right now is pointless.
Post by: polentA on Wed, 10 August 2016, 15:21:46
Post by: japanitrat on Wed, 10 August 2016, 15:43:20
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 10 August 2016, 15:57:28
Any thoughts on having a Deep Dish Homing Kit like what the recent Jukebox set had? Kinda interested to see 8 deep dish keys on the home row.
This sounds badass
Post by: honeynugget on Wed, 10 August 2016, 17:47:08
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 10 August 2016, 19:18:10
looking forward to this .
Post by: KyleZhuang on Wed, 10 August 2016, 20:20:13
Post by: renzpwns on Wed, 10 August 2016, 21:00:54
Can't wait for the GMK renders to show up though, I still am very excited about this colorway even with the different profile. :thumb:
Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 10 August 2016, 21:22:26
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 10 August 2016, 23:16:50
We will look if we can bring doubleshot cyrillics with it, but this is not a promise. If doubleshot cyrillics are too expensive then it will be just latin... We are checking right now the pricing for cyrillics.
Please keep with doubleshot keys if you must go the GMK route. This is mad unfortunate. I think we might have a hard shot if this goes to Massdrop as a GMK all in one kit with Cyrillics and even all Latin for that matter. Its a nice color way but like you said, it may not have carbon's demand especially since GMK would need to make custom color keys. Its been in IC this long, what's another few months? SP is still a good test for demand, and Yurican always be run again in GMK. I'm afraid if it goes to GMK first and demand just can't hit it, it might stall.
I mean if looking at the current set running on MD yields insight, its obvious that the real bulk of the orders is in base + mod + numpad. This tends to normally be the case. With that in mind, GMK makes it all or nothing meaning that unless we really hit strong positive demand, users may bulk at a initial $125.00 price point plus shipping. 80% of the buyers don't typically purchase the child deals, but the child deals together add to the base kit purchases which lead to more buyers due to the "lower price points". Still, Yuri could hit 250 MOQ and even more, but it would be nice to test the waters with SP and then go to GMK. A equivalent SA profile from SP with base, mod, and numpad kit is $95.97 at its lowest (MOQ=250) or $119.97 at its highest (MOQ=1). GMK normally has a MOQ of 100 or failure.
SP brings a lot of pent up demand after the first round which could turn into GMK sales for round 2. 374 votes currently tallied for the Yuri SA profile on MD vs 1517 for the currently active SA profile drop. It might be worth putting up a poll for GMK once the GMK renders are due back and see where it goes from there.
In the end its OP's decision and what profile would be best suited for the color way chosen.
Post by: TheWhiteAndTheBlue on Thu, 11 August 2016, 02:28:12
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 11 August 2016, 03:02:34
I recently purchased the Filco SA keyset and thus decided to just buy Novelties kit from future SA GB to mix-n-match. Like right now it's 99% that I will buy the Chocolatier Novelties kit only and I don't think I would join the GB for Yuri SA given that the Novelties kit does not excite me. Of course exception is reserved sets like Penumbra R2 or Pulse R3 (still kicking myself for not joining Pulse R2 earlier this year, but it was so close after Granite R4 and I couldn't afford it at the time)
GMK Yuri:
the Cyrillic made this set, as others have pointed out. With Latin only as it stands I would not join the GB as the colorway will not, by itself, sell me this keyset (already joined GMK Carbon). If the set had Cyrillic and not doubleshot, I'm sure you're well aware of how the GMK TA Royal Alpha went and the whole pad-printed topic went down in the drop discussion page.
tl:dr: not interested in either profile as they stand. but really appreciate your work & effort and look forward to more revision/update in the future!
Post by: johuu on Thu, 11 August 2016, 12:29:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 August 2016, 13:44:02
As i said we are checking the possibility of cyrillics. If its to expensive then it will be done just with latins. I see no problem here. I also do not expect Yuri being succesful as Carbon. There are obvious reasons for it. However if it sells 150 times and hits its moq, then its better than doing nothing. By the way some people talk here about pad printing. As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
Post by: Lepidus on Thu, 11 August 2016, 14:04:36
As i said making it in SA would stall the SA production further. Chocolatier has estimated shipping date Feb 6, 2017. Thats six months! This is why i think its better to go Cherry route. This does not mean it will not be done in SA. Probably if round 2 happens it will be done in SA profile. Also keep in mind Carbon SA needs to be run too. It gathered some serious amount of requests. Running those two would extend/delay SA production further...
As i said we are checking the possibility of cyrillics. If its to expensive then it will be done just with latins. I see no problem here. I also do not expect Yuri being succesful as Carbon. There are obvious reasons for it. However if it sells 150 times and hits its moq, then its better than doing nothing. By the way some people talk here about pad printing. As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
If GMK cyrillics, would it be cyrillics only, or latin+cyrillics like old cherry sets?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 August 2016, 14:20:43
As i said making it in SA would stall the SA production further. Chocolatier has estimated shipping date Feb 6, 2017. Thats six months! This is why i think its better to go Cherry route. This does not mean it will not be done in SA. Probably if round 2 happens it will be done in SA profile. Also keep in mind Carbon SA needs to be run too. It gathered some serious amount of requests. Running those two would extend/delay SA production further...
As i said we are checking the possibility of cyrillics. If its to expensive then it will be done just with latins. I see no problem here. I also do not expect Yuri being succesful as Carbon. There are obvious reasons for it. However if it sells 150 times and hits its moq, then its better than doing nothing. By the way some people talk here about pad printing. As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
If GMK cyrillics, would it be cyrillics only, or latin+cyrillics like old cherry sets?
If we go GMK doubleshot cyrillics then it will be a no brainer making a combo like the old cherry sets. However i will fix their crappy cyrillics.
Post by: Pinecone on Thu, 11 August 2016, 19:49:04
Post by: Butter on Thu, 11 August 2016, 20:25:12
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 11 August 2016, 23:10:02
As i said making it in SA would stall the SA production further. Chocolatier has estimated shipping date Feb 6, 2017. Thats six months! This is why i think its better to go Cherry route. This does not mean it will not be done in SA. Probably if round 2 happens it will be done in SA profile. Also keep in mind Carbon SA needs to be run too. It gathered some serious amount of requests. Running those two would extend/delay SA production further...
As i said we are checking the possibility of cyrillics. If its to expensive then it will be done just with latins. I see no problem here. I also do not expect Yuri being succesful as Carbon. There are obvious reasons for it. However if it sells 150 times and hits its moq, then its better than doing nothing. By the way some people talk here about pad printing. As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
If GMK cyrillics, would it be cyrillics only, or latin+cyrillics like old cherry sets?
If we go GMK doubleshot cyrillics then it will be a no brainer making a combo like the old cherry sets. However i will fix their crappy cyrillics.
That's great to hear! If doubleshot latin + cyrillics then I'm definitely in!
Post by: Slash Emperor on Fri, 12 August 2016, 09:33:23
Post by: ideus on Fri, 12 August 2016, 09:50:21
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 12 August 2016, 11:07:42
Does someone has a picture of an OG Cherry Cyrillic set? Do those sets have the Cyrillic legends pad printed? Originative made a set with double shot Latin characters with Cyrillic pad printed legends, is Yuri going to be the same kind?
As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
Post by: Data on Fri, 12 August 2016, 14:01:30
Post by: ideus on Fri, 12 August 2016, 14:32:48
Does someone has a picture of an OG Cherry Cyrillic set? Do those sets have the Cyrillic legends pad printed? Originative made a set with double shot Latin characters with Cyrillic pad printed legends, is Yuri going to be the same kind?As i said no pad printing for cyrillics - only doubleshot. If i cant get it, then well so be it but it will be done just in latin. Pad printing for cyrillics is a no go for me.
Thank you very much for pointing that out, I have not read it yet.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 August 2016, 14:46:37
I thought we considered front pad printing at one time for the Latin legends considering front doubleshot is probably not possible. But I don't know if we got anywhere with that. GMK's pad printing is more than adequate (it's quite good actually) for non-contact surfaces. We just wouldn't use it for top legends.
Front printed latin legends were considered for SA profile, because it was not possible to get two legends on the top due to its centered alignment. Thats not the case with cherry and it makes sense making both. So the thing is we go here either with doubleshot latin and cyrillics or with only latin letters. I hope we can go for the latin and cyrillics. That would be rad. Though that means it will get completely new alphas.
Post by: MoarCoffeePlzzz on Fri, 12 August 2016, 18:14:36
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Post by: Data on Mon, 15 August 2016, 08:07:43
So sad that this went GMK...
Missing the bigger picture. :rolleyes:
This can run on GMK and be a thing and exist on keyboards in the time it takes to organize a GB and book a production slot with SP for an SA set... and then wait for manufacturing... and then wait for fixes... and then wait for shipping.
There's no reason we can't have this set in both GMK and SA profiles. GMK is just the low-hanging fruit right now.
Post by: gaedol on Mon, 15 August 2016, 08:12:04
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 August 2016, 08:25:02
Post by: kimanageer on Mon, 15 August 2016, 10:22:22
So no SA for this kit as it stands now? Super disappointed if that is the case :-[
That's not exactly what he said. GMK first, only because GMK has availability. SP has none (on their SA equipment), so planning an SA set right now is pointless.
I dont think he will run 2 yuri sets in a year, it will reduce the demand of the second drop. So at least, the second drop will open in the next yeah, maybe 2018 i guess @@
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 15 August 2016, 12:14:38
Front printed latin legends were considered for SA profile, because it was not possible to get two legends on the top due to its centered alignment. Thats not the case with cherry and it makes sense making both. So the thing is we go here either with doubleshot latin and cyrillics or with only latin letters. I hope we can go for the latin and cyrillics. That would be rad. Though that means it will get completely new alphas.
I'm in regardless of profile (I'd love SA but GMK's fine) and lettering, I love the idea behind the set and I'm a huge fan of the colour scheme. Though if you are still taking community input into consideration, which I believe you are, I think the Cyrillic makes the set so much more interesting and unique, I'd be very happy if we can make that happen rather than just Latin.
Is the plan still to have it go up on Massdrop by the start of 2017? I can't wait to own it but I've spent so much money on sets and artisans last couple months (including your Carbon, congratulations on its success) so taking a breather would be a welcome change of pace!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 August 2016, 14:29:30
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
Post by: Carlos_the_turtle on Mon, 15 August 2016, 14:31:28
Got some news for you guys.That is awesome, good luck develop the Cyrillic.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
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Post by: user 18 on Mon, 15 August 2016, 14:39:00
Got some news for you guys.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
Wow, this is great news!
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 15 August 2016, 14:46:23
Got some news for you guys.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
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The Cyrillic will reach the 250 MOQ so fast it'll be insane, couple questions though - you mentioned 3 custom colors, which will those be? Also, is there any new ETA update by MD?
Good luck and have fun with the Cyrillic development!
Post by: Data on Mon, 15 August 2016, 14:46:54
Got some news for you guys.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
(http://i.imgur.com/5PKqkhz.gif)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 August 2016, 15:06:14
The Cyrillic will reach the 250 MOQ so fast it'll be insane, couple questions though - you mentioned 3 custom colors, which will those be? Also, is there any new ETA update by MD?ETA is somewhere next Year probably. First half of he next Year. I got some stuff todo and Massdrop's schedule is full.
The colors will be the same as i have defined from the start:
(http://i.imgur.com/G0Q2khW.jpg)
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 15 August 2016, 15:15:15
ETA is somewhere next Year probably. First half of he next Year. I got some stuff todo and Massdrop's schedule is full.
The colors will be the same as i have defined from the start:
Ah yea, of course those are the colors you meant, derp my bad.
First half of next year sounds great!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 August 2016, 15:25:12
Got some news for you guys.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
A set with double shot Cyrillics and Latin will reach MoQ for sure.
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 15 August 2016, 15:29:34
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 August 2016, 15:39:36
Since MD is topped off until next year, wouldn't it be beneficial for all to get this sooner if other vendors were explored (eg. Originative, KeyClack, to name a few) to host the GB, just like GMK Skeletor did with Originative? I'd rather give my money back to the community-run businesses than to MD to be honest.
Was Carbon pricing not community friendly? 99 bucks for a keyset with so many keys that you can cover even some exotic layouts. 3 custom colors.
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 15 August 2016, 16:15:40
Since MD is topped off until next year, wouldn't it be beneficial for all to get this sooner if other vendors were explored (eg. Originative, KeyClack, to name a few) to host the GB, just like GMK Skeletor did with Originative? I'd rather give my money back to the community-run businesses than to MD to be honest.
Was Carbon pricing not community friendly? 99 bucks for a keyset with so many keys that you can cover even some exotic layouts. 3 custom colors.
It was so friendly I got two sets ;D
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 15 August 2016, 18:17:03
Me too！Since MD is topped off until next year, wouldn't it be beneficial for all to get this sooner if other vendors were explored (eg. Originative, KeyClack, to name a few) to host the GB, just like GMK Skeletor did with Originative? I'd rather give my money back to the community-run businesses than to MD to be honest.
Was Carbon pricing not community friendly? 99 bucks for a keyset with so many keys that you can cover even some exotic layouts. 3 custom colors.
It was so friendly I got two sets ;D
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 15 August 2016, 18:55:39
Since MD is topped off until next year, wouldn't it be beneficial for all to get this sooner if other vendors were explored (eg. Originative, KeyClack, to name a few) to host the GB, just like GMK Skeletor did with Originative? I'd rather give my money back to the community-run businesses than to MD to be honest.
Was Carbon pricing not community friendly? 99 bucks for a keyset with so many keys that you can cover even some exotic layouts. 3 custom colors.
I'm not complaining about the price, I'm just suggesting alternative platforms to Massdrop since they're backed up until next year. I've had bad experience with their support in their past and I really only buy things on Massdrop if I have no other choice anyway, so that's my bias.
Post by: KyleZhuang on Mon, 15 August 2016, 20:02:52
Got some news for you guys.Fantastic!!!
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
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Post by: thelaughingman on Mon, 15 August 2016, 23:03:11
Got some news for you guys.
Yuri will be manufactured by GMK and sold on Massdrop. It will get 3 custom colors. And most importantly it will get doubleshot cyrillics and doubleshot latin letters! We are speaking here of complete alpha overhaul. Its gonna be a little bit pricier than Carbon and it will get an MOQ of 250. I think Yuri with cyrillics can beat 250 MOQ easily.
I got to develop Cyrillics now. Bye! :)
THIS IS FREAKING AWESOME!!! I'm going to start saving money now for this set. wooooooooooooohooooooooooo!
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Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 16 August 2016, 21:52:14
And so it beginns... Reinventing the wheel...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/R5TPnGO.png)
make the wheel square again! jokes aside, I'm hyped as hell for this set. more renders/pics when you can please :thumb:
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 09:37:08
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Still working on cherry latins. But its just a breeze if you compare it with cyrillics. Got a half of them already as aresult of cyrillics development.
Anyway as i said already, people who have experience in TYPOGRAPHY, i can really need your help in form fo critics and suggestion. Keep in mind that i am developing here, is not only for Yuri but for every upcomming GMK set which is intended to offer cyrillics. This is that you will see in other cyrillics sets! So please take it seriously even if you dont like Yuri. In the end this is more about community.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:11:51
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:15:18
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:21:32
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
Wow, well, that will be wonderful, I just regret this may run on MD that does not serve my current location. I hope in the future other sets running on other channels include the new legends.
I suppose these legends will be molded at the first shot, both Latin and Cyrillic, and the key body in the second one, but not triple shot, right?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:28:21
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
Wow, well, that will be wonderful, I just regret this may run on MD that does not serve my current location. I hope in the future other sets running on other channels include the new legends.
I suppose these legends will be molded at the first shot, both Latin and Cyrillic, and the key body in the second one, but not triple shot, right?
Thats right. Anyway since GMK will have the svg files, the possibility for tripple shot will be still open. But right now its only double shot.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:35:52
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
Wow, well, that will be wonderful, I just regret this may run on MD that does not serve my current location. I hope in the future other sets running on other channels include the new legends.
I suppose these legends will be molded at the first shot, both Latin and Cyrillic, and the key body in the second one, but not triple shot, right?
Thats right. Anyway since GMK will have the svg files, the possibility for tripple shot will be still open. But right now its only double shot.
I bet a triple shot set will get the attention of thousands.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:40:42
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
Edit: completely missed the point as expected, edited accordingly.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 10:47:16
Any chance to have a render with your proposed legends? Also, if I understood well, both legends, Latin and Cyrillic will be double shot, right?Exactly. Yuri will introduce this combination and it will be available for all upcoming sets.
I think your Cyrillics are looking great, very exciting! I may be missing the obvious here but as it stands there'll just be one option for Yuri when it comes to the legends correct, Cyrillic on top and Latin front print? Or would there be other possibilities like just Cyrillic/just Latin top printed? I'm assuming it'd be way more expensive to have three different choices.
Ok you did not read it properly but i repeat it for you. Both latin and cyrillics will be double shot and not printed. There will be no option for only latin or cyrillics.
In the end the legends will look like this (keep in mind the cyrillics in the picture are printed) but not that crappy and double shot in one color:
(https://www.keychatter.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/keychatter_2015-03-27_11-49-35.jpg)
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 20 August 2016, 11:13:43
Ok you did not read it properly but i repeat it for you. Both latin and cyrillics will be double shot and not printed. There will be no option for only latin or cyrillics.
In the end the legends will look like this (keep in mind the cyrillics in the picture are printed) but not that crappy and double shot in one color:
I apologise for misunderstanding, appreciate you taking the time to clarify and finding a picture to illustrate the idea, I'm not really familiar with the terminology that is associated with this whole thing as I'm pretty much new here - I was aware these are double shot but misused the word "printed" so thanks for correcting me.
Looking forward to further updates!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 11:18:38
Ok you did not read it properly but i repeat it for you. Both latin and cyrillics will be double shot and not printed. There will be no option for only latin or cyrillics.
In the end the legends will look like this (keep in mind the cyrillics in the picture are printed) but not that crappy and double shot in one color:
I apologise for misunderstanding, appreciate you taking the time to clarify and finding a picture to illustrate the idea, I'm not really familiar with the terminology that is associated with this whole thing as I'm pretty much new here - I was aware these are double shot but misused the word "printed" so thanks for correcting me.
Looking forward to further updates!
I do not criticize you for that. Thats the common thing here and it is also common that i have to repeat things. Probably the problem here is my lack of proper english and because of that i cant express my points as good as possible :)
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 20 August 2016, 11:30:53
I do not criticize you for that. Thats the common thing here and it is also common that i have to repeat things. Probably the problem here is my lack of proper english and because of that i cant express my points as good as possible :)
I think your English is very good actually but it's not my native language either so I know what you mean, there's so much specific vocabulary associated with this subject that it's hard to keep up some times especially for people who are just starting out like myself. :)
That said, your explanation helped me fully understand the idea for the legends and layout for the set so thank you again, I think having both the cyrillics and latins like that will look great with your newly designed lettering. Can't wait for it to be finished!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:11:30
(http://i.imgur.com/IllqLKO.png)
Note its close to original cherry but not 1 to 1 exactly. For example "S" has more twist in the middle than original cherry "S". If you mind i can change that.
Post by: ideus on Sat, 20 August 2016, 14:15:20
Ok latins are also ready. Here are cyrillics and latins together.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/IllqLKO.png)
Note its close to original cherry but not 1 to 1 exactly. For example "S" has more twist in the middle than original cherry "S". If you mind i can change that.
The original S is more fluid, the one in your render appears to be slightly broken in its vertical center line, as if the curves do not join exactly at the same height.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 16:21:45
(http://i.imgur.com/xtzCD3e.png)
I will fix "S" later.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 20 August 2016, 16:55:09
Small preview. This might look a little bit overloaded (probably i have too much from making of legends).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xtzCD3e.png)
I will fix "S" later.
Maybe it's just my eyes, but the latest render does seem to be really busy. Maybe it's because both latin and cyrillics legends are of the same colour? For some reason my eyes just seems to tie themselves up in a knot looking at the alphas area :confused:
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:02:01
Post by: polentA on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:03:00
Small preview. This might look a little bit overloaded (probably i have too much from making of legends).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xtzCD3e.png)
I will fix "S" later.
Maybe it's just my eyes, but the latest render does seem to be really busy. Maybe it's because both latin and cyrillics legends are of the same colour? For some reason my eyes just seems to tie themselves up in a knot looking at the alphas area :confused:
Agreed. There is a little too much orange, where in previous renders some of the legends were black at least.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:06:12
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)
(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
Post by: StarPupil on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:09:03
Post by: ideus on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:15:17
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
I was also thinking that the font color in the original would be a bit much with double legends.
I was
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:16:38
So with the shift to GMK will there still be all of the other sets?
You mean Yuri in SA Profile? Sure. I hope SP gets better lead times so you dont need to wait half a year.
Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:26:21
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
Post by: polentA on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:28:46
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
I'd still pay for it :D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:29:27
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)
(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
Post by: evangs on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:54:26
I would pay good money for that right thereYes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 17:58:28
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Post by: hoq on Sat, 20 August 2016, 18:15:07
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
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Post by: StarPupil on Sat, 20 August 2016, 18:27:38
So with the shift to GMK will there still be all of the other sets?
You mean Yuri in SA Profile? Sure. I hope SP gets better lead times so you dont need to wait half a year.
I meant the cool looking novelties, Planck, and Ergodox kits and things, still the same, but in GMK instead.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 20 August 2016, 18:40:52
So with the shift to GMK will there still be all of the other sets?
You mean Yuri in SA Profile? Sure. I hope SP gets better lead times so you dont need to wait half a year.
I meant the cool looking novelties, Planck, and Ergodox kits and things, still the same, but in GMK instead.
I need to be careful here. This is not Carbon in terms of popularity. So i have to watch the interest over time. If its big enough i'll split alphas from base set and offer keybaord related modifier kits.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 20 August 2016, 20:42:27
[That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
That right there is the dream for sure, I would throw so much money at my screen for that. Your letter designs turned out very well in my opinion, good job!
Out of either both in orange or both in blue I prefer the blue, the orange looks way cooler but it just seems a little bit too cluttered and messy with so much going on in such a vibrant colour.
Love the novelties btw!
Post by: StarPupil on Sat, 20 August 2016, 21:59:13
So with the shift to GMK will there still be all of the other sets?
You mean Yuri in SA Profile? Sure. I hope SP gets better lead times so you dont need to wait half a year.
I meant the cool looking novelties, Planck, and Ergodox kits and things, still the same, but in GMK instead.
I need to be careful here. This is not Carbon in terms of popularity. So i have to watch the interest over time. If its big enough i'll split alphas from base set and offer keybaord related modifier kits.
Well, I can't help with the SA buy, as I discovered that I'm not a huge fan of SA, but if you can get it through to GMK with an Ergodox kit like Carbon's I will buy that **** in a hot second.
Post by: derezzed on Sat, 20 August 2016, 22:36:31
[attachimg=1]Show Image(http://www.gifbin.com/bin/032010/1269602956_dr-mccoy-and-captain-kirk-approve.gif)
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
Single character Cyrillic legends would be great for me because I use Colemak and wouldn't have to look at a QWERTY layout, but this is seriously amazing!
Post by: effectiveduck on Sat, 20 August 2016, 22:47:48
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
That looks amazing, I do still like the dark blue legends but this easily takes the cake.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 20 August 2016, 23:44:19
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
aren't we all dreamer? if tripleshot comes true I'll throw my wallet, my kitchen sink and whatever I can grab at you in an instant! :eek:
Post by: Asbrodeus on Thu, 25 August 2016, 06:58:09
Post by: Data on Thu, 25 August 2016, 08:46:15
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Jp3btzF.gif)
It's so good. So... so good.
Post by: kolashnikov on Thu, 25 August 2016, 19:13:52
Yes its the orange legends.
Here is just the blue version. And it look far better. The orange letters go well only with single letters. Now that a lesson :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8VYLQDt.png)
This seems better. :thumb:
Maybe triple-shot dark latin and orange cyrillic legends would fit better with your original vision? I'd imagine that would make the set very pricey though.
That would be my dream :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
Post by: tmk1207 on Thu, 25 August 2016, 21:59:17
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Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Thu, 25 August 2016, 23:15:46
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 August 2016, 00:02:39
I really like the original symbols, specially the tilde with strong curves and the wide numeral symbol, which are like trade marks of Cherry sets, that are not featured anywhere else; without them, GMK fonts would look sadly common.I've done only alphabets which can be used for mockups and for production. The few keys with symbols (for example the key with tilde) and cyrillics, must be redone too and as close as possible to original.
Zambumon just posted a render of this set on Instagram but I don't see it here. Hope they come soon, I love this set.
Yeah i got em already. I think the legends are little bit to big. I asked Zambumon to try to make the legends little bit smaller like on cherry profile. Also one version with oragne letters. But here are the renders from Zambumon. Like alsways he is doing an amazing job :)
(http://i.imgur.com/gPGn8NY.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/REIKmq7.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/j99xZZO.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/fX3yry2.png)
Post by: Jedi on Fri, 26 August 2016, 06:55:58
Post by: simonyunhe on Fri, 26 August 2016, 07:24:39
Would you consider or is it even possible to make the Cyrillic letters the same red orange color as the modifier legends?The answer is positive, the Cyrillic can simply pad printed or use triple-shot which we are trying to do here.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 26 August 2016, 08:44:45
Yeah i got em already. I think the legends are little bit to big. I asked Zambumon to try to make the legends little bit smaller like on cherry profile. Also one version with oragne letters. But here are the renders from Zambumon. Like alsways he is doing an amazing job :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gPGn8NY.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/REIKmq7.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j99xZZO.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fX3yry2.png)
His renders are awesome, I agree that maybe the legends could be a little smaller to make it look less compact and I'm still a believer in the orange triple shot dream but still, those already look super sick!
Post by: Anole on Fri, 26 August 2016, 14:30:07
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 August 2016, 15:00:16
I think the cyrillic legends on the GMK set should be the same cyrillic legends on GMK Cyrillic.
Can you tell me the reason for it?
I can tell you mine. I speak russian and i tell you the original cyrillics on all cherry profiles are ****ed up. They are so bad that they do not even deserve to be printed. Every russian speaking will tell the original cherry cyrillics are hideous and have wrong proportions. Look espacially at Д, У and Й. I wrote such letter when i was in the kindergarden...
It might look cool for people who dont understand russian. But not for ones who have knowledge in russian. Anyway if we do it doubleshot then it should be done properly.
Post by: Anole on Fri, 26 August 2016, 17:00:51
I understand Bulgarian, which also uses the Cyrillic alphabet. I simply thought that it would be cool to use the OG Cherry Cyrillic legends.I think the cyrillic legends on the GMK set should be the same cyrillic legends on GMK Cyrillic.
Can you tell me the reason for it?
I can tell you mine. I speak russian and i tell you the original cyrillics on all cherry profiles are ****ed up. They are so bad that they do not even deserve to be printed. Every russian speaking will tell the original cherry cyrillics are hideous and have wrong proportions. Look espacially at Д, У and Й. I wrote such letter when i was in the kindergarden...
It might look cool for people who dont understand russian. But not for ones who have knowledge in russian. Anyway if we do it doubleshot then it should be done properly.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 26 August 2016, 17:32:59
I understand Bulgarian, which also uses the Cyrillic alphabet. I simply thought that it would be cool to use the OG Cherry Cyrillic legends.I think the cyrillic legends on the GMK set should be the same cyrillic legends on GMK Cyrillic.
Can you tell me the reason for it?
I can tell you mine. I speak russian and i tell you the original cyrillics on all cherry profiles are ****ed up. They are so bad that they do not even deserve to be printed. Every russian speaking will tell the original cherry cyrillics are hideous and have wrong proportions. Look espacially at Д, У and Й. I wrote such letter when i was in the kindergarden...
It might look cool for people who dont understand russian. But not for ones who have knowledge in russian. Anyway if we do it doubleshot then it should be done properly.
I guess Bulgarian is also a very beautiful language like Russian. However if we take it seriously there is nothing cool about the og cherry cyrillics, since they are very bad. This is an insult to cyrillics because it was made like the designer was on escape from something. That i made here is that cherry cyrillics should be. They match the style of cherry latins because they are based on them. If someone here is thinking he can do it better - then do it, i will only appreciate it.
You can see it as a further development of cherry legends. And if you develop something further then you dont take the errors of previous versions into new versions.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:07:36
I guess Bulgarian is also a very beautiful language like Russian. However if we take it seriously there is nothing cool about the og cherry cyrillics, since they are very bad. This is an insult to cyrillics because it was made like the designer was on escape from something. That i made here is that cherry cyrillics should be. They match the style of cherry latins because they are based on them. If someone here is thinking he can do it better - then do it, i will only appreciate it.
You can see it as a further development of cherry legends. And if you develop something further then you dont take the errors of previous versions into new versions.
For what it's worth, I studied Russian for a year back when I was in university and am reasonably familiar with the alphabet - I agree that your rendition of the Cyrillic characters is much more accurate than the standard cherry original and I appreciate the effort you've put in. I would hate to be a native/fluent speaker using a keyboard that depicts legends that are nothing short of incorrect personally.
Спасибо!
Post by: Treadstone on Fri, 26 August 2016, 18:26:14
Post by: dyrdevil on Fri, 30 September 2016, 19:15:33
Are you considering an option with only Latin letters for the alphas?
Post by: WOMBO on Fri, 30 September 2016, 21:26:04
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Post by: Pinecone on Fri, 30 September 2016, 23:34:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 01 October 2016, 03:41:42
First of all i want to show you these samples.
(http://i.imgur.com/3v4pVjv.jpg)
As you might know i've visited GMK and their production facilities. I've seen the tooling in action which makes the keycaps. The whole process, how the keycaps are done, is fully automated and thus its not just a tool like you've seen it somewhere else. Its a unique and very complex system. So to upgrade this system to be able to trippleshot keycaps they need to invest a lot of money and its a project for a year (if not more). In this regard the tripple shot is most probably not going to happen.
However GMK will check the feasibility of such project and thus there is a small chance the trippleshot caps may become reality. In that case there it will be possible to make only the 1u keycaps trippleshot.
So there are two ways how Yuri will happen.
First is, then the upgrade for tooling will not happen. In that case there will be Yuri just with latin letters. I am not happy how the cyrillics look with doubleshot process. Latins and Cyrillics in one color makes the whole set overloaded. It will not sell. Printing is a "no go" for me either.
Second GMK agrees to upgrade their tooling to trippleshot process, then Yuri will get its cyrillics. In this case Cyrillics look good and make the whole set very appealing.
I hope you can understand my decisions.
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 01 October 2016, 03:45:32
Post by: thelaughingman on Sat, 01 October 2016, 06:50:26
Second GMK agrees to upgrade their tooling to trippleshot process, then Yuri will get its cyrillics. In this case Cyrillics look good and make the whole set very appealing.
Fingers crossed for triple shot! I will wait until it happens.
count me in for tripleshot too! the wait will be worth it for me personally, plus I'll have GMK Carbon to busy myself with in the meantime.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 01 October 2016, 10:59:43
Post by: dyrdevil on Sat, 01 October 2016, 22:49:53
The triple shot might not be my thing, but that would be so monumental and gorgeous I'd be happy to see it happen.
If it becomes Latin only, I think this set will look gorgeous regardless and I'll probably be in immediately.
Nice work!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 02 October 2016, 14:39:33
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 02 October 2016, 14:44:25
i dont understand why double-shot + printing is not an option. GMK has some of the best quality pad printing in the world, i thought we had established that?
Maybe have printing as an option? Then everyone can decide for themselves
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 02 October 2016, 17:53:14
i dont understand why double-shot + printing is not an option. GMK has some of the best quality pad printing in the world, i thought we had established that?
Because no matter how high quality is that print it is still a print and it will go off. If GMK is willing to print cyrrillics optionaly then i have nothing against it. I, for example, want a set without printed cyrillics.
Post by: Pinecone on Mon, 03 October 2016, 00:28:53
Post by: Asbrodeus on Tue, 04 October 2016, 07:06:27
Post by: rioc on Wed, 05 October 2016, 07:04:11
I mean, GMK is ok too, but DSA is bliss :P
either way, I can't miss this set
Post by: pomk on Wed, 05 October 2016, 11:33:03
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 October 2016, 15:32:52
Have you contacted SP about the possibility of doing triple shots?
Not yet since it will drop in cherry profile first. GMK has already plastic samples. I've posted these samples somewhere above.
Post by: armatus on Fri, 14 October 2016, 01:33:57
"Double shot single letters"
Post by: ideus on Fri, 14 October 2016, 09:21:49
Post by: Data on Fri, 14 October 2016, 11:25:59
Sounds like a long shot to me.
If you look at the doubleshot cyrillic renders (further up the page) with fresh eyes, it's still an exceptionally good-looking set. Don't abandon ship if we learn that tripleshot legends won't be coming to GMK anytime soon.
Post by: nightdriver on Sun, 16 October 2016, 16:57:31
i'd also be perfectly happy with the latin characters doubleshot and the cyrillic characters pad printed provided it was done by GMK. if the set comes out with just the latin characters i'm not going to be as interested, but i might still pick it up.
here's a crazy idea that has probably never been done before. any chance we could get the modifiers done by GMK but the alphas done by IMSTO? you can definitely dyesub more than one character in more than one color...
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 16 October 2016, 17:15:22
i actually really like the look of the set with the doubleshot keys that have both latin and cyrillic on them. i'm currently typing this reply on a board with the symbiosis keyset. that one also has doubleshot keys with two legends on each key, and it still looks gorgeous.
i'd also be perfectly happy with the latin characters doubleshot and the cyrillic characters pad printed provided it was done by GMK. if the set comes out with just the latin characters i'm not going to be as interested, but i might still pick it up.
here's a crazy idea that has probably never been done before. any chance we could get the modifiers done by GMK but the alphas done by IMSTO? you can definitely dyesub more than one character in more than one color...
Dyesublimation printing does not work on ABS, so you will have to mix and match two different types of plastics on keycaps made by two different manufacturer (Gateron is the company who makes the PBT blanks), and even though Gateron blanks are supposed to be exactly the same as Cherry profile, they really are not. The cap is slightly smaller in each direction compared to a true doubleshot Cherry profile keycap (case in point: https://imgur.com/a/449OD)
All in all, it's just a poor idea. I'd much sooner have pad-print than mix and match Gateron PBT with GMK ABS
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 October 2016, 07:03:55
Doubleshot or bust.
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 17 October 2016, 09:45:12
Doubleshot or bust.
+1
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 17 October 2016, 10:50:37
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 October 2016, 19:57:17
As i said many times before no padprinting on top of keycaps... Go doubleshot or even trippleshot or die trying :)
WOOP! :thumb:
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Mon, 17 October 2016, 23:31:10
As i said many times before no padprinting on top of keycaps... Go doubleshot or even trippleshot or die trying :)Good :)
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 22 October 2016, 08:55:59
Anyway got today the samples for Yuri. 6 colors and i need to decide which one. Guess i need to look at it in different light conditions.
(http://i.imgur.com/b6ALjOF.jpg)
Post by: xondat on Sat, 22 October 2016, 09:28:57
Still waiting for a better camera...1 2 3
Anyway got today the samples for Yuri. 6 colors and i need to decide which one. Guess i need to look at it in different light conditions.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/b6ALjOF.jpg)
4 5 6
I would chose 2, 3, and 6 personally. But I'll wait for more color accurate pictures.
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 22 October 2016, 09:54:28
Still waiting for a better camera...1 2 3
Anyway got today the samples for Yuri. 6 colors and i need to decide which one. Guess i need to look at it in different light conditions.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/b6ALjOF.jpg)
4 5 6
I would chose 2, 3, and 6 personally. But I'll wait for more color accurate pictures.
I agree, my personal opinion is very often the more saturation/contrast the better (with some exceptions).
Post by: simonyunhe on Sat, 22 October 2016, 09:58:51
Post by: hoq on Sat, 22 October 2016, 09:59:00
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Post by: xondat on Sat, 22 October 2016, 10:13:16
235！ the 6 looks too red . I remember the original poster of YURI is not that redHuh. I thought 5 looked more orange than 6.
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Post by: duynguyenle on Sat, 22 October 2016, 10:30:32
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 22 October 2016, 10:32:25
Post by: luckyryan333 on Sat, 22 October 2016, 19:30:52
How about taking a poll?
Post by: renzpwns on Mon, 24 October 2016, 19:21:56
Post by: Data on Mon, 24 October 2016, 19:28:32
Post by: armatus on Thu, 27 October 2016, 01:57:44
Post by: shinz0 on Thu, 27 October 2016, 16:04:16
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 November 2016, 06:30:05
Blue:
(http://i.imgur.com/Tv7i5UO.jpg)
110 is my favortie, since its more off blue and kinda milky. 846 is more pure blue which is boring. In person the difference is very hard to see even under good light conditions. I'll choose 110 in this case since its more smooth than 846.
Light Blue (Baby Blue):
(http://i.imgur.com/qdTSYyT.jpg)
This is a hard color to catch with a camera. I am using artificial light and its makes catching the color even harder. Anyway as you can see 106 is more vivid where 844 has some kind of yellowish accent. Thus 106 is the clear favorite.
We saw the orange colors already and its obvious i would choose the orange one with slight red accents. Another color was red-orange, which was to redish for me. Looking at it in person you always ask yourself: Is it red or orange? - which is both at the same time.
I'll shoot another picture of all chosen colors together, so you can see the colors in the mix.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:12:34
Post by: Damonskv on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:27:43
Here are some better photos.So beauty :')(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20161107/87850e18fd0af8135dbbbcc0a52e9f95.png)
Blue:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Tv7i5UO.jpg)
110 is my favortie, since its more off blue and kinda milky. 846 is more pure blue which is boring. In person the difference is very hard to see even under good light conditions. I'll choose 110 in this case since its more smooth than 846.
Light Blue (Baby Blue):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qdTSYyT.jpg)
This is a hard color to catch with a camera. I am using artificial light and its makes catching the color even harder. Anyway as you can see 106 is more vivid where 844 has some kind of yellowish accent. Thus 106 is the clear favorite.
We saw the orange colors already and its obvious i would choose the orange one with slight red accents. Another color was red-orange, which was to redish for me. Looking at it in person you always ask yourself: Is it red or orange? - which is both at the same time.
I'll shoot another picture of all chosen colors together, so you can see the colors in the mix.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 07 November 2016, 07:56:45
Mix of artificial/natural light:
(http://i.imgur.com/DJ0n0id.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/74coHKB.jpg)
Natural light only:
(http://i.imgur.com/epUrCst.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KuMrjhT.jpg)
Keep in mind you cant transfer the mood and the feel to the eye with a camera. In person the whole looks 200% better than on these pictures. I cant get the words to explain how powerfull the colors are and how they complete each other as a whole. Looking at it in person i cant wait to see the real set.
Would this set run this year?
Not this year. I hope i can get a spot first half of 2017.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 07 November 2016, 10:21:39
Post by: Data on Mon, 07 November 2016, 13:30:15
Post by: renzpwns on Tue, 08 November 2016, 05:51:38
already the most anticipated set of 2017.Yeah seriously, no way I'd pass this set up.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 06:23:19
Post by: DanB on Tue, 08 November 2016, 07:43:10
Post by: TH3_P1R4T3 on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:51:32
Post by: giammin on Tue, 08 November 2016, 10:55:55
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:01:02
Base Set:
(http://i.imgur.com/lYnDLzq.png)
Since i can not predict the success properly, i will limit it first to base set. If sales succeed my expectations i will make some addons (ergodox, international, etc) like i did for Carbon. But for now there is only Base Set.
Expect the drop early 2017.
Post by: thad on Tue, 08 November 2016, 14:15:16
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Tue, 08 November 2016, 15:47:13
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:14:40
Post by: poolside on Tue, 08 November 2016, 17:48:00
May we get a 1.25u R4 "Lock" keycap in order to properly swap Control and CapsLock? Sky Dolch R2 includes one.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 08 November 2016, 22:19:13
Post by: ctzn_voyager on Tue, 08 November 2016, 22:23:20
I've updated first page with the base set but i post it here anyway for the lazy ones:
Base Set:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lYnDLzq.png)
Since i can not predict the success properly, i will limit it first to base set. If sales succeed my expectations i will make some addons (ergodox, international, etc) like i did for Carbon. But for now there is only Base Set.
Expect the drop early 2017.
This is exactly the setup I was hoping for. Really looking forward to this one.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 09 November 2016, 03:18:03
oh no! maybe i missed it, but we're not doing a full Cryllic set anymore? sorry, last i heard tomb3ry was going to redesign all the legends :eek:
As i said, if GMK upgrades its tooling for trippleshot, i'll be all other it to make a cyrillic version. But right now we got only latins. Sure i can make a pure cyrillic version (maybe as addon) but lets see how goes the latin first.
Post by: slot demon on Wed, 09 November 2016, 03:46:36
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 09 November 2016, 06:50:23
Sure i can make a pure cyrillic version (maybe as addon) but lets see how goes the latin first.
Yea that's what I meant, if there's a way to make a pure Cyrillic as an addon (if MOQ isn't unrealistically high etc) then that'd be so cool, hopefully the set sees the success it deserves with Latin first!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 09 November 2016, 13:18:32
oh no! maybe i missed it, but we're not doing a full Cryllic set anymore? sorry, last i heard tomb3ry was going to redesign all the legends :eek:
As i said, if GMK upgrades its tooling for trippleshot, i'll be all other it to make a cyrillic version. But right now we got only latins. Sure i can make a pure cyrillic version (maybe as addon) but lets see how goes the latin first.
I would love to see this also! i would definitely buy a latin and a cryllic base set
Post by: Lost2Frostbite on Wed, 09 November 2016, 21:52:51
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Post by: shower_king on Thu, 10 November 2016, 02:02:17
Ok here is the combo in the mix with different light conditions.
Mix of artificial/natural light:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DJ0n0id.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/74coHKB.jpg)
Natural light only:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/epUrCst.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KuMrjhT.jpg)
Keep in mind you cant transfer the mood and the feel to the eye with a camera. In person the whole looks 200% better than on these pictures. I cant get the words to explain how powerfull the colors are and how they complete each other as a whole. Looking at it in person i cant wait to see the real set.Would this set run this year?
Not this year. I hope i can get a spot first half of 2017.
i prefer 3,5.6.
you have make huge progress on update.
i will keep close eyes on this set.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 10 November 2016, 05:18:09
Ok here is the combo in the mix with different light conditions.
Mix of artificial/natural light:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DJ0n0id.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/74coHKB.jpg)
Natural light only:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/epUrCst.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KuMrjhT.jpg)
Keep in mind you cant transfer the mood and the feel to the eye with a camera. In person the whole looks 200% better than on these pictures. I cant get the words to explain how powerfull the colors are and how they complete each other as a whole. Looking at it in person i cant wait to see the real set.Would this set run this year?
Not this year. I hope i can get a spot first half of 2017.
i prefer 3,5.6.
you have make huge progress on update.
i will keep close eyes on this set.
The samples displayed on these photos are all the same (only 3 colors), i've just mixed these to show of the combo as side by side. :))
Post by: d.walkr3 on Sun, 13 November 2016, 08:49:37
Post by: Ail on Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:11:52
Post by: mll8394 on Sun, 13 November 2016, 09:15:00
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 13 November 2016, 11:02:22
Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Post by: Dr_Alphabet on Sun, 13 November 2016, 12:31:05
Post by: losskutleboys on Sun, 13 November 2016, 14:18:45
early 2017 means I'm most likely going to have decide between this and plum... doubt I'll be able to afford both :-\
IKR! So many sets so little money :(
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 13 November 2016, 14:27:03
Post by: _joe_king on Mon, 14 November 2016, 21:11:25
Post by: mll8394 on Mon, 14 November 2016, 22:36:59
Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Well for me, I'm sure it will be. Just like all your other keysets do. ;D ;D :))
Post by: animal on Tue, 15 November 2016, 02:09:48
Post by: polentA on Tue, 15 November 2016, 13:41:47
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 15 November 2016, 16:18:43
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Post by: dsaf on Tue, 15 November 2016, 16:50:02
https://deskthority.net/group-buys-f50/gmk-coniferous-gmk-quote-this-week-t14894.html
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 15 November 2016, 18:43:16
I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 15 November 2016, 19:02:12
Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
you have to understand that before GMK Carbon and after the GMK Triumph Adler issues, GMK sets have struggled with MOQ on Massdrop: GMK SNES failed to meet MOQ, GMK Royal TA barely reach MOQ thanks to vendors. thus it's the first and foremost goal to get the base through, then if it gets to be successful like Carbon more will come. the Carbon add-on kit is running on Massdrop and I'm not even certain all 03 child kits will reach 150 MOQ EACH. Personally the Spacebar kit is the only one that I'm buying, and I have bought base + novelties kit in the initial drop.
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 November 2016, 06:58:22
I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:08:12
The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:11:10
I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.
Say that an obligate ErgoDox user likes this colorway. How will they decide whether or not to buy the base set when they don't yet know whether the ErgoDox kit will be sold?The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:23:30
I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.Say that an obligate ErgoDox user likes this colorway. How will they decide whether or not to buy the base set when they don't yet know whether the ErgoDox kit will be sold?The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Ask and/or research.
Consider that GMK Carbon ran only as a base kit. It was a massive hit. People invested in the base kit for what it was. The Dox add-on ran later by itself but it was never guaranteed (MOQ still applies!) and running it concurrently with the base kit wouldn't change that. That should be true for Yuri as well. If you're ONLY looking to fill an ErgoDox then you've got to decide if Yuri is worth the gamble -- will it sell well enough to warrant a Dox kit, and will the Dox kit tip?
If you're coming into the drop not knowing about the possibility of Dox support then you may not even consider Yuri until/unless you poke around a little. But that's true of any GMK set.
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:29:01
Well there was no guarantee either that the MOQ for the ErgoDox kit would be hit when SA Carbon dropped, and it was included anyway.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.Say that an obligate ErgoDox user likes this colorway. How will they decide whether or not to buy the base set when they don't yet know whether the ErgoDox kit will be sold?The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Ask and/or research.
Consider that GMK Carbon ran only as a base kit. It was a massive hit. People invested in the base kit for what it was. The Dox add-on ran later by itself but it was never guaranteed (MOQ still applies!) and running it concurrently with the base kit wouldn't change that. That should be true for Yuri as well. If you're ONLY looking to fill an ErgoDox then you've got to decide if Yuri is worth the gamble -- will it sell well enough to warrant a Dox kit, and will the Dox kit tip?
If you're coming into the drop not knowing about the possibility of Dox support then you may not even consider Yuri until/unless you poke around a little. But that's true of any key set.
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:42:21
Well there was no guarantee either that the MOQ for the ErgoDox kit would be hit when SA Carbon dropped, and it was included anyway.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.Say that an obligate ErgoDox user likes this colorway. How will they decide whether or not to buy the base set when they don't yet know whether the ErgoDox kit will be sold?The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Ask and/or research.
Consider that GMK Carbon ran only as a base kit. It was a massive hit. People invested in the base kit for what it was. The Dox add-on ran later by itself but it was never guaranteed (MOQ still applies!) and running it concurrently with the base kit wouldn't change that. That should be true for Yuri as well. If you're ONLY looking to fill an ErgoDox then you've got to decide if Yuri is worth the gamble -- will it sell well enough to warrant a Dox kit, and will the Dox kit tip?
If you're coming into the drop not knowing about the possibility of Dox support then you may not even consider Yuri until/unless you poke around a little. But that's true of any key set.
SP is different. You can run an SP set with a MOQ of 1.
Post by: thelaughingman on Wed, 16 November 2016, 07:52:35
Well there was no guarantee either that the MOQ for the ErgoDox kit would be hit when SA Carbon dropped, and it was included anyway.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.Will an ergodox set be made for this?
If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.
Sticker shock.
GMK sets are expensive. Base + ErgoDox is a lot to ask in a single drop. There are MOQs to consider... Best to get people to invest in the base kit first and run some supporting kits later. If you don't like the base kit and are worried about being "stuck with" it, then why are we even talking about Dox support? This set isn't for you.Say that an obligate ErgoDox user likes this colorway. How will they decide whether or not to buy the base set when they don't yet know whether the ErgoDox kit will be sold?The approach is very basic actually and quite classical. OP knows that if you at least buy the base kit first and then later (a week, a month, two months, whatever) the customer gets asked to buy a add-on pack, he or she may rationalize well heck I guess I can buy this $xx add-on pack since I placed an order for this set. I, for one, can speak to that I OFTEN say no, I can't buy that add-on, I already am into this set for $yyy money. Then later I say well but the add-on was only $xx, I regret not getting it at the time.If it gets the same success like Carbon, it will get similar addons. Right now its safe to make just the base set, since i dont know how it will sell.I don't quite understand this approach. How does looking at the sales of the base set help? If anything, you will sell less because not all the ErgoDox users on Massdrop know about your plans, and even if they do, they might not want to risk getting stuck with the base set only.
Its a buy in strategy that would work but would only truly be known based on how well the initial set gets sold.
Ask and/or research.
Consider that GMK Carbon ran only as a base kit. It was a massive hit. People invested in the base kit for what it was. The Dox add-on ran later by itself but it was never guaranteed (MOQ still applies!) and running it concurrently with the base kit wouldn't change that. That should be true for Yuri as well. If you're ONLY looking to fill an ErgoDox then you've got to decide if Yuri is worth the gamble -- will it sell well enough to warrant a Dox kit, and will the Dox kit tip?
If you're coming into the drop not knowing about the possibility of Dox support then you may not even consider Yuri until/unless you poke around a little. But that's true of any key set.
SP is different. You can run an SP set with a MOQ of 1.
truth :thumb:
Post by: animal on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:45:11
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Yes that is what I meant. I think this is what makes it stand out of all other sets, this and the color combination.
Post by: polentA on Wed, 16 November 2016, 16:53:27
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Yes that is what I meant. I think this is what makes it stand out of all other sets, this and the color combination.
For some reason (imo) it looks so much better with the different colored legends. Not sure if this is possible, but I agree it definitely makes the set stand out more.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:11:33
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Yes that is what I meant. I think this is what makes it stand out of all other sets, this and the color combination.
For some reason (imo) it looks so much better with the different colored legends. Not sure if this is possible, but I agree it definitely makes the set stand out more.
Sure, i am open for this approach. I like it too, however i'd like to hear more voices. Considering making numpad also blue so only literals are orange.
Keep in mind this approach might make the set cost slightly more, but not by large ammount.
Thoughts?
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:18:51
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Yes that is what I meant. I think this is what makes it stand out of all other sets, this and the color combination.
For some reason (imo) it looks so much better with the different colored legends. Not sure if this is possible, but I agree it definitely makes the set stand out more.
Sure, i am open for this approach. I like it too, however i'd like to hear more voices. Considering making numpad also blue so only literals are orange.
Keep in mind this approach might make the set cost slightly more, but not by large ammount.
Thoughts?
I am favour of keeping all legends in orange, because I like orange, for me there's a dissonance inherent in having two distinct zones of colours in the alphas area, making the keyset somehow off-centred, almost lobsided, especially with respect to the alternating colours of the function row and the uniform orange of the modifiers, it just seems off-balance and awkward.
In short, not a fan of this alternate alpha colour arrangements
Post by: polentA on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:35:57
I still like the number row with gray legends.
Yeah! I knew something was different. I would prefer the number row to be in grey as well, but I understand if it's not possible.
I think you mix up gray with deep blue color. In the first mockups there was logical separation of letters (literals) from signs and numbers (non literals).
Something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2MpxSwl.png)
Yes that is what I meant. I think this is what makes it stand out of all other sets, this and the color combination.
For some reason (imo) it looks so much better with the different colored legends. Not sure if this is possible, but I agree it definitely makes the set stand out more.
Sure, i am open for this approach. I like it too, however i'd like to hear more voices. Considering making numpad also blue so only literals are orange.
Keep in mind this approach might make the set cost slightly more, but not by large ammount.
Thoughts?
I would like to support this set no matter what the cost :thumb:
The all-orange alphas remind me too much of GMK Monkey, even though the base color of the keys is obviously different.
But one of the selling points for me, when I first saw your pitch, was the fact that there were two different colors for the alphas - definitely unique. I would also like to hear some more discussion around this if possible.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 16 November 2016, 17:38:31
As long as the set sees plenty of success so those pure Cyrillic alphas can happen some time down the line I'm happy haha.
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 November 2016, 18:23:13
I'm kinda sad the Cyrillic legends appear to have taken a back seat, especially considering how much work went into correcting them. But I think I understand why they're not part of the set just yet and I'm glad we're at least moving forward with the colorway. Looking forward to January.
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Post by: pomk on Thu, 17 November 2016, 04:32:28
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Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 17 November 2016, 10:49:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 17 November 2016, 11:10:01
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 17 November 2016, 11:28:03
Trying to figure the best compromise, i think making only the number row with blue legends should keep the balance. I'll make a mockup for it. Or with enough sold sets it could be done as addon....
I like the addon idea, I guess we'd have to see what the popularity of it is before that happens though - I'd be down for number row with blues though, better than the half/half blue/orange split in my opinion.
Post by: thad on Thu, 17 November 2016, 18:54:46
Post by: thelaughingman on Thu, 17 November 2016, 19:01:04
Trying to figure the best compromise, i think making only the number row with blue legends should keep the balance. I'll make a mockup for it. Or with enough sold sets it could be done as addon....
I like the addon idea, I guess we'd have to see what the popularity of it is before that happens though - I'd be down for number row with blues though, better than the half/half blue/orange split in my opinion.
a poll, maybe? and options for how the colour layout done like num row only, wasd only or home row only etc...
Post by: dsaf on Fri, 18 November 2016, 16:44:32
...
Will there be UK keycaps like in other GMK sets, e.g. below? Thanks.
https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-hydro
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 20 November 2016, 10:00:58
I really hope this set gets made otherwise I guess I'll have to deal with Pyro
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 20 November 2016, 15:01:31
(http://i.imgur.com/8NrYarf.png)
I just remembered about this set when I saw the Pyro set.
I really hope this set gets made otherwise I guess I'll have to deal with Pyro
Get both ;)
...
Will there be UK keycaps like in other GMK sets, e.g. below? Thanks.
https://www.keyclack.com/product/gb-gmk-hydro
Since we have less keys than Carbon i'll look into it. However this is not a promise.
Trying to figure the best compromise, i think making only the number row with blue legends should keep the balance. I'll make a mockup for it. Or with enough sold sets it could be done as addon....
I like the addon idea, I guess we'd have to see what the popularity of it is before that happens though - I'd be down for number row with blues though, better than the half/half blue/orange split in my opinion.
a poll, maybe? and options for how the colour layout done like num row only, wasd only or home row only etc...
Let me try first to work out something what suits both parties ;)
Post by: polentA on Sun, 20 November 2016, 15:11:56
Ok here is a mockup with blue number row. I think it looks good and is balanced.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8NrYarf.png)
Ooh yeah, I really like that! This is a great compromise in my opinion. :thumb:
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 20 November 2016, 18:41:50
Ok here is a mockup with blue number row. I think it looks good and is balanced.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8NrYarf.png)
how about blue "5" in the numpad cluster? and maybe "| \" in blue as well?
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 20 November 2016, 19:18:26
Ok here is a mockup with blue number row. I think it looks good and is balanced.
Let me try first to work out something what suits both parties ;)
I like that mockup a lot!
Post by: krisst on Sun, 20 November 2016, 21:06:41
Hopefully the blue number row is an add-on.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 20 November 2016, 21:45:34
Personal preference, still prefer full orange. Just seems a little odd to have different colour, maybe it's OCD.
Hopefully the blue number row is an add-on.
Agreed. I just think having two different legend colors makes the set too busy. An add-on would be a good compromise but it wouldn't be free.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 21 November 2016, 15:33:00
I'll make some mockups ready and will present them here. However keep in mind i'll consider these only after 500 sold sets. How popular Yuri gets we will learn to know first. I hope first to break the MOQ for the base set which would make me happy. The addons are nice to have but not as necessary.
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 21 November 2016, 16:05:41
Since we have less keys than Carbon i'll look into it. However this is not a promise.
Thanks, I am still angry about how Carbon was sold via three separate drops. If only I knew international kit was going to happen!
Also, any plans for an SA Carbon re-run in 2017 (ideally very-very soon)?
Post by: giammin on Mon, 21 November 2016, 16:15:05
Though instead of graphene (honeycumb structure) enter and 2u keys there will be a star on stripes. A glorious hammer and sickle would give the whole a nice touch.
I'll make some mockups ready and will present them here. However keep in mind i'll consider these only after 500 sold sets. How popular Yuri gets we will learn to know first. I hope first to break the MOQ for the base set which would make me happy. The addons are nice to have but not as necessary.
A CCCP spacebar? If not possibile a capslock o shift key
Post by: renzpwns on Mon, 21 November 2016, 16:18:05
Post by: MAR82 on Mon, 21 November 2016, 16:20:09
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 21 November 2016, 20:18:45
Ok here is the thing. I'll keep all legends orange for the base kit. The blue number row is planned for an novelties addon which will be first unlocked after selling 500 sets. The reason behind that unlocking thing, is that such novelties addons are niche. Anyway after 500 set there is also a chance for Planck/Ergodox kit and maybe also an international kit. That are the same kits like for Carbon. Though instead of graphene (honeycumb structure) enter and 2u keys there will be a star on stripes. A glorious hammer and sickle would give the whole a nice touch.I think this is a much better approach than the one you took when selling Carbon.
I'll make some mockups ready and will present them here. However keep in mind i'll consider these only after 500 sold sets. How popular Yuri gets we will learn to know first. I hope first to break the MOQ for the base set which would make me happy. The addons are nice to have but not as necessary.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 21 November 2016, 20:28:40
Ok here is the thing. I'll keep all legends orange for the base kit. The blue number row is planned for an novelties addon which will be first unlocked after selling 500 sets. The reason behind that unlocking thing, is that such novelties addons are niche. Anyway after 500 set there is also a chance for Planck/Ergodox kit and maybe also an international kit. That are the same kits like for Carbon. Though instead of graphene (honeycumb structure) enter and 2u keys there will be a star on stripes. A glorious hammer and sickle would give the whole a nice touch.
I'll make some mockups ready and will present them here. However keep in mind i'll consider these only after 500 sold sets. How popular Yuri gets we will learn to know first. I hope first to break the MOQ for the base set which would make me happy. The addons are nice to have but not as necessary.
I like that approach a lot, if that is doable it's definitely a very reasonable way to handle all the kits - I apologise in advance if I sound like a broken record (as I've been quite vocal about it in the past in this thread already) but is there any chance you may do something similar with the Cyrillic alphas kit? Eg. after x amount of base sets are sold to ensure the set's overall success you'd release the alternative alphabet as an addon?
Post by: rioc on Tue, 29 November 2016, 07:21:50
Post by: need on Tue, 29 November 2016, 08:00:14
any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
Post by: rioc on Tue, 29 November 2016, 08:19:26
any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Post by: giammin on Tue, 29 November 2016, 08:55:19
one drop with multiple set.
one shipping
one wait
one duty fees
less hassle
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:40:28
any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 11:50:03
Is it going to be run through MD or another website like zeal, or just here on Geekhack?any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 29 November 2016, 13:26:10
Great! :thumb:any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
It is nice to see whether international is tipping before committing to buy an expensive set that you cannot use.
Post by: need on Tue, 29 November 2016, 17:29:49
100% MassdropIs it going to be run through MD or another website like zeal, or just here on Geekhack?any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 18:56:57
Hopefully that will help get the numbers up100% MassdropIs it going to be run through MD or another website like zeal, or just here on Geekhack?any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 30 November 2016, 01:39:26
any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
true, nobody can predict it, but I think it'll run quite well... also, great to hear about the international kit. Can't wait until a DSA Variant of this hits the GB Phase sometime..! :)
Post by: need on Wed, 30 November 2016, 02:41:47
Post by: need on Wed, 30 November 2016, 02:42:32
DSA variant probably will never happen...any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
true, nobody can predict it, but I think it'll run quite well... also, great to hear about the international kit. Can't wait until a DSA Variant of this hits the GB Phase sometime..! :)
Post by: rioc on Wed, 30 November 2016, 03:10:37
DSA variant probably will never happen...any updates on when about to expect the GB?Early 2017 I think
already? damn, my wallet will never have time to restock properly :D
Most probably, i'll offer international kit from the beginning. With 100 moq its pretty inviting. Other kits will be unlocked probably with higher MOQs. Maybe after 250 or 500 sets. Biggest thing is, i got no idea how well it will sell. And nobody knows it or is able to predict it.
true, nobody can predict it, but I think it'll run quite well... also, great to hear about the international kit. Can't wait until a DSA Variant of this hits the GB Phase sometime..! :)
I can dream... it would be perfect
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 December 2016, 15:31:24
(http://i.imgur.com/BLBbTcH.png)
Note there are no 1.5u row 4 Control keys. Instead there are Kosmonauts.
Post by: thad on Tue, 13 December 2016, 15:32:16
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 13 December 2016, 15:36:37
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 13 December 2016, 15:42:20
So i guess everybody is ok with the current Base Set? Keep in mind Yuri will drop pretty soonish.... And with a new Year i'll start to work on a new Project.Is the kosmonauts are double shot?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BLBbTcH.png)
Note there are no 1.5u row 4 Control keys. Instead there are Kosmonauts.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 December 2016, 15:45:25
So i guess everybody is ok with the current Base Set? Keep in mind Yuri will drop pretty soonish.... And with a new Year i'll start to work on a new Project.Is the kosmonauts are double shot?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BLBbTcH.png)
Note there are no 1.5u row 4 Control keys. Instead there are Kosmonauts.
Ofcourse :rolleyes: You know i am highly alergic to top prints... :)
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 13 December 2016, 16:17:44
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 December 2016, 16:30:34
Really hoping for non CCCP Win keys! The symbol looks nice but I'd much more prefer text in their place, like Code in Carbon. For a friend of mine it's even the deciding factor for this set. He doesn't dig them at all.
Reasonable and i prefer this actually. You know what, we do it like this. The Kosmonaut goes into novelty kit, which will be only unlocked at specific sales rate. Instead the base kit will get typical "Code" and "Control" 1.5u keys. Novelties are always niche.
Edit and done!
(http://i.imgur.com/xCMovoK.png)
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:01:24
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:15:42
Really hoping for non CCCP Win keys! The symbol looks nice but I'd much more prefer text in their place, like Code in Carbon. For a friend of mine it's even the deciding factor for this set. He doesn't dig them at all.
Reasonable and i prefer this actually. You know what, we do it like this. The Kosmonaut goes into novelty kit, which will be only unlocked at specific sales rate. Instead the base kit will get typical "Code" and "Control" 1.5u keys. Novelties are always niche.
Edit and done!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xCMovoK.png)
Swap the R2 + and the R3 - and the set is perfect!
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:16:42
Excellent! Hope I won't get hated now ;) I skipped the novelties on Carbon, but I'm looking forward how the ones for this set look like.
Just a bit. It seems the proponents of Code keys are always the most vocal. I like my windows logo and novelty icon win keys. Sometimes I wonder why people who favor Code aren't made to pay extra for them instead of those who want the windows logo or a novelty icon. Oh well, Code keys are not the end of the world for me.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:22:09
Post by: dsaf on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:33:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:53:58
Does Massdrop charge $1'000'000 to prevent including novelties as a child kit on the original drop? If Carbon GMK had novelties and ISO straight away two things could've happened: 1) child kits wouldn't meet MOQ and no problem would be whatsoever apart from time spent designing them; 2) a lot more people would buy it including me.
Uhm thats not MD's but my decision. I dont know how Yuri will sell so i am just cautious. Base set is the main thing to happen. Everything else does not matter. If i'll see acceptable sale dynamic, i'll give you all the optional kits you've seen in Carbon drop. Sure MOQ is important but if Yuri sells say only 150 sets thus barelly hitting MOQ then the other child deals will never hit their MOQ and ISO kit especially. I want to see how the base set goes first. The child kits will be unlocked during the drop. And if so the drop's timeline may be extended. You have to know: hyping keysets and selling those are two different stories.
Sure Zambu but can you explain me in short why? Just currious. Its only used for 1800ish layouts but i assume there are other needs.
Swap the R2 + and the R3 - and the set is perfect!
Post by: dsaf on Tue, 13 December 2016, 17:59:51
The child kits will be unlocked during the drop. And if so the drop's timeline may be extended.
That makes a lot of sense and is a lot more transparent! I wouldn't be surprised to see a few mini-spikes of sells in the end - one for novelties and one for internationals.
You have to know: hyping keysets and selling those are two different stories.
I am sure there are considerations I don't realise.
Post by: Zambumon on Tue, 13 December 2016, 19:12:04
Swap the R2 + and the R3 - and the set is perfect!Sure Zambu but can you explain me in short why? Just currious. Its only used for 1800ish layouts but i assume there are other needs.
If those keycaps are intended to be used by 1800 users, the + should be a R3.
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68443.0;attach=89756;image)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 00:02:03
Swap the R2 + and the R3 - and the set is perfect!Sure Zambu but can you explain me in short why? Just currious. Its only used for 1800ish layouts but i assume there are other needs.
If those keycaps are intended to be used by 1800 users, the + should be a R3.Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=68443.0;attach=89756;image)
Can't explain how i mixed those :-X Will fix it :)
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 14 December 2016, 00:08:50
Post by: renzpwns on Wed, 14 December 2016, 03:07:26
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 14 December 2016, 03:33:40
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 14 December 2016, 04:04:36
Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
yes please.... add 1u ctrl and 1u alt, this would allow compatibility with modern g80-1800
Post by: rioc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 06:08:27
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 December 2016, 06:39:17
wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
I believe T0mb3ry last stated that there may be Cyrillic alphas in a separate addon kit (not the same as the novelties I think) if the base set does well enough to warrant it. I'd love that to happen personally as I am a big fan of alternative alphabets without Latin sub (or main) legends but I guess we'll have to see if it ends up happening, I don't doubt Yuri's success at all though.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 07:06:28
wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
I believe T0mb3ry last stated that there may be Cyrillic alphas in a separate addon kit (not the same as the novelties I think) if the base set does well enough to warrant it. I'd love that to happen personally as I am a big fan of alternative alphabets without Latin sub (or main) legends but I guess we'll have to see if it ends up happening, I don't doubt Yuri's success at all though.
well... I'm most certainly ordering, so lets hope for a soon appearance of cyrillic alphas with MoQ reached ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 11:50:22
Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
Yes sure. I'll add those with the next update.
wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Post by: Damonskv on Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:15:21
Yes, please make it happen))))Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
Yes sure. I'll add those with the next update.wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Post by: Giorgio on Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:17:07
Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
Yes sure. I'll add those with the next update.wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Do the legends already exist? Quite curious about why they should cost more.... And if you have any idea about an approximative cost.
Post by: johuu on Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:32:09
Really hoping for non CCCP Win keys! The symbol looks nice but I'd much more prefer text in their place, like Code in Carbon. For a friend of mine it's even the deciding factor for this set. He doesn't dig them at all.
Reasonable and i prefer this actually. You know what, we do it like this. The Kosmonaut goes into novelty kit, which will be only unlocked at specific sales rate. Instead the base kit will get typical "Code" and "Control" 1.5u keys. Novelties are always niche.
Edit and done!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xCMovoK.png)
Is it possible to add a stepped control key?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 12:40:59
Do the legends already exist? Quite curious about why they should cost more.... And if you have any idea about an approximative cost.
The are no keys with cyrillics available . They have to be made first. Thus it will cost something. But you know its something. Also i've developed proper cyrillics which suits available cherry font:
(http://i.imgur.com/IllqLKO.png)
Is it possible to add a stepped control key?
Uhm quite odd. I thought already of this few times... Do you have any pics for such exotic key? Just curious if that mold is available.
Post by: dsaf on Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:01:18
But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
They will cost a fortune but only the first time? Would they be able to re-use the process for all different future sets?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:06:51
But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
They will cost a fortune but only the first time? Would they be able to re-use the process for all different future sets?
Ofcourse, once they are made everybody can use them for their own sets.
Post by: johuu on Wed, 14 December 2016, 13:07:51
Is it possible to add a stepped control key?
Uhm quite odd. I thought already of this few times... Do you have any pics for such exotic key? Just curious if that mold is available.
For example it is included in hyperfuse (see final mockup) https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0).
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 14:44:45
(http://i.imgur.com/wfIJ9Yg.png)
For example it is included in hyperfuse (see final mockup) https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0).;)
Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
yes please.... add 1u ctrl and 1u alt, this would allow compatibility with modern g80-1800
:thumb:
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 December 2016, 14:49:46
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Yea they may cost too much for most people but it'd be a fun experiment at least - do you have any estimation, no matter how rough, of how much that'd cost to supply them with the right molds etc for proper Cyrillic?
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 14 December 2016, 15:00:30
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.Why don't Cyrillic legends exist? Did Cherry just never make any keyboards for the countries that use Cyrillic?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 14 December 2016, 15:10:46
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Yea they may cost too much for most people but it'd be a fun experiment at least - do you have any estimation, no matter how rough, of how much that'd cost to supply them with the right molds etc for proper Cyrillic?
Just the cyrillics alphas might cost between 110 and 150$. Thats my estimate. For the current state this is the realistic price range. Take it with grain of salt, cuz you know its my rule of thumb estimate. However the things may change and it might get cheaper pricing.
Why don't Cyrillic legends exist? Did Cherry just never make any keyboards for the countries that use Cyrillic?Cherry has never done doubleshot Cyrillics. They've printed it. However the OG Cherry Cyrillics are wrong.
Post by: johuu on Wed, 14 December 2016, 15:19:11
Current iteration:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wfIJ9Yg.png)For example it is included in hyperfuse (see final mockup) https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0).;)
Thanks a lot :thumb:
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 December 2016, 15:30:57
Just the cyrillics alphas might cost between 110 and 150$. Thats my estimate. For the current state this is the realistic price range. Take it with grain of salt, cuz you know its my rule of thumb estimate. However the things may change and it might get cheaper pricing.
I appreciate the estimation, I think at around $100 it might actually get a fair bit of attention (I'd still buy it at $150 personally) - definitely not cheap for a set of alphas but a different alphabet doubleshot by GMK might be something that actually attracts many more than just natives or people that speak/are learning Russian (like myself), since it will be something very unique.
Thank you for considering the kit still, either way!
Post by: Damonskv on Wed, 14 December 2016, 16:08:42
As a Russian native can explain why, unfortunately, the keys only with the Cyrillic alphabet is extremely risky, historically, interaction with the computer was through a command line interface, where acceptable was only the Latin names of the files in the file system and commands, etc. Even now, for example, the vast majority of domain names of Internet sites require you to enter the Latin alphabet, that is absolutely always required to use both methods of input. The reason to use only Cyrillic can only be aesthetic, even in Russian you can count on very few. Because not all are blind-typists. Thanks for trying, I hope that the uniqueness of these keys will be able to attract not only Russian-speaking. T0mb3ry, you're the best, keep tryingJust the cyrillics alphas might cost between 110 and 150$. Thats my estimate. For the current state this is the realistic price range. Take it with grain of salt, cuz you know its my rule of thumb estimate. However the things may change and it might get cheaper pricing.
I appreciate the estimation, I think at around $100 it might actually get a fair bit of attention (I'd still buy it at $150 personally) - definitely not cheap for a set of alphas but a different alphabet doubleshot by GMK might be something that actually attracts many more than just natives or people that speak/are learning Russian (like myself), since it will be something very unique.
Thank you for considering the kit still, either way!
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 14 December 2016, 19:10:55
If you can't touch type you don't deserve this glorious set :p
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:00:16
As a Russian native can explain why, unfortunately, the keys only with the Cyrillic alphabet is extremely risky, historically, interaction with the computer was through a command line interface, where acceptable was only the Latin names of the files in the file system and commands, etc. Even now, for example, the vast majority of domain names of Internet sites require you to enter the Latin alphabet, that is absolutely always required to use both methods of input. The reason to use only Cyrillic can only be aesthetic, even in Russian you can count on very few. Because not all are blind-typists. Thanks for trying, I hope that the uniqueness of these keys will be able to attract not only Russian-speaking. T0mb3ry, you're the best, keep trying
Yes, very true. I am not native but I've been learning Russian for about a year now and having a set with full Cyrillic would legitimately help me get used to it I feel. I also hope it attracts others than just Russian-speaking natives, I'm sure it will if the double shot happens so I hope pricing is as tame as possible so that everyone who truly wants it can get in on it.
The characters T0mb3ry designed are amazing and I truly do hope it comes to be and that people are interested in it!
Post by: Jedi on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:49:11
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Oh yes please. Say after a certain number of kits are sold, bam, add a Cyrillic add-on kit, but hmmm... I see what you mean, you would definitely need to gauge interest during the GB/drop to see how many will buy.
We need this just to mark one of the few, if only true double shot Cyrillic legends ever produced by GMK. :thumb: So over the dye sub land of cap legends. :mad:
Post by: rioc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 01:44:19
wait... I almost forgot; what's happening with the cyrillic? gonna be an addon kit? (maybe that including novelties?)
Depending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
that's perfect... don't need double legends... makes the set more authentic with cyrillic only :)
WAAANT ;P
Post by: Kradev113 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 02:14:46
Post by: Damonskv on Thu, 15 December 2016, 03:27:54
T0mb3ry, make a poll, make it known in the OP. Can even on Massdrop, it will give you at least some information, about whether to do this now, and a little to prepare people, it can be a very original proposal, many may like it if you declare this option a little more loudlyDepending on the sales dynamic i can offer cyrillics as addon. But you have to know it will be only cyrillics (no latin legends) doubleshot alphas and trust me they will cost a fortune. Quite an experiment.
Yea they may cost too much for most people but it'd be a fun experiment at least - do you have any estimation, no matter how rough, of how much that'd cost to supply them with the right molds etc for proper Cyrillic?
Just the cyrillics alphas might cost between 110 and 150$. Thats my estimate. For the current state this is the realistic price range. Take it with grain of salt, cuz you know its my rule of thumb estimate. However the things may change and it might get cheaper pricing.Why don't Cyrillic legends exist? Did Cherry just never make any keyboards for the countries that use Cyrillic?Cherry has never done doubleshot Cyrillics. They've printed it. However the OG Cherry Cyrillics are wrong.
Post by: MAR82 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 04:14:53
Current iteration:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wfIJ9Yg.png)For example it is included in hyperfuse (see final mockup) https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68198.0).;)Any chance we can get two of the Ctrl an Alt 1u keys? I know a few layouts that need more than just one of each
yes please.... add 1u ctrl and 1u alt, this would allow compatibility with modern g80-1800
:thumb:
Thanks for adding them!
Post by: orpheo on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:41:09
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:49:23
I love this set but I wonder why is there so much space swimming pool theme on the KB scene! Next a moon landing theme? NASA wants youngsters to believe!Godspeed was inspired by the Apollo program logo, I believe, so technically there already has been a moon landing-themed set.
Post by: neon_tom on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:51:58
Home
PgUp
PgDn
End
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 15 December 2016, 12:36:52
Any chance to add a 1u R4 End cap for 65%/75% compatibility? So that we can have this strip down the right side:
Home
PgUp
PgDn
End
Reasonable. I missed 1u row4 "end" key too. Will add in next iteration.
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Thu, 15 December 2016, 12:55:58
Post by: stillzman on Thu, 15 December 2016, 14:25:33
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 15 December 2016, 16:48:36
(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
Post by: thad on Thu, 15 December 2016, 16:50:20
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 15 December 2016, 17:11:32
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
I need an adult.
(http://promotehealth.info/wp-content/uploads/Hyperventilate.gif)
Post by: rioc on Fri, 16 December 2016, 01:37:50
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
holy mother of god... I so hope cyrillics meets MoQ... need this so much :)
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 16 December 2016, 02:50:52
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
I need an adult.Show Image(http://promotehealth.info/wp-content/uploads/Hyperventilate.gif)
I've always hated modifiers with text; but now.... they really are out of place. It's undeniable.
Post by: rioc on Fri, 16 December 2016, 03:04:03
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
I need an adult.Show Image(http://promotehealth.info/wp-content/uploads/Hyperventilate.gif)
I've always hated modifiers with text; but now.... they really are out of place. It's undeniable.
damn it, you're right... does GMK have symbols only mods?
Post by: Giorgio on Fri, 16 December 2016, 03:17:59
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
I need an adult.Show Image(http://promotehealth.info/wp-content/uploads/Hyperventilate.gif)
I've always hated modifiers with text; but now.... they really are out of place. It's undeniable.
damn it, you're right... does GMK have symbols only mods?
we need these legends... Can anyone contact GMK? This would be very intersting... maybe they already have the legends.
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this is my favourite symbol (operating system key)
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It seems that gmk already has the legends for these!!
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=78973.0
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pdf with long list of ISO symbols, the standard has been updated in 2009, but I can't find that version
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Post by: giammin on Fri, 16 December 2016, 03:27:46
Just to show you the pure cyrillic alphas as mockup.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cLtMsbj.png)
I need an adult.Show Image(http://promotehealth.info/wp-content/uploads/Hyperventilate.gif)
I've always hated modifiers with text; but now.... they really are out of place. It's undeniable.
modifiers with cyrillic legends!!
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 16 December 2016, 08:06:44
I've always hated modifiers with text; but now.... they really are out of place. It's undeniable.
I also prefer icon modifiers by far for the better part, though they look good in certain sets - if icons were to be possible I agree that'd look much better with the Cyrillic alphas, though seeing as it is already so hard to make those a reality (both logistically as well as when it comes to the price they'll cost) I imagine it may be practically impossible to also add an icon modifier addon kit on top of that with GMK as the manufacturer. My comment was just expressing how well made T0mb3ry's Cyrillic letters turned out, they're amazing.
If icons could somehow happen I'm sure it'd look even better though, 100%.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 16 December 2016, 12:31:33
I've not planned to make cyrillics for this run. However i can make it happen but not on cost of the base set.
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 16 December 2016, 12:40:15
Honestly i am heavily against only icon modifiers. They desolate the set and make it dry. In short this is a no go for me. Keep in mind base set is latin and cyrillics are optional. I dont even know if cyrillics will drop because it depends on sales dynamic.
I've not planned to make cyrillics for this run. However i can make it happen but not on cost of the base set.
ty t0mb3ry, only icon modifiers would have ruined this set for me
Post by: ideus on Fri, 16 December 2016, 12:49:22
Honestly i am heavily against only icon modifiers. They desolate the set and make it dry. In short this is a no go for me. Keep in mind base set is latin and cyrillics are optional. I dont even know if cyrillics will drop because it depends on sales dynamic.
I've not planned to make cyrillics for this run. However i can make it happen but not on cost of the base set.
Interesting point of view. I really like the icon only Cherry modifiers. I like also the text and icon modifiers, as well. I really cannot understand how the icon only ones make the set to look desolated; but well, who am I to question a successful key set designer.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 16 December 2016, 13:00:07
Honestly i am heavily against only icon modifiers. They desolate the set and make it dry. In short this is a no go for me. Keep in mind base set is latin and cyrillics are optional. I dont even know if cyrillics will drop because it depends on sales dynamic.
I've not planned to make cyrillics for this run. However i can make it happen but not on cost of the base set.
Fair enough of course, I think icon only is a love/hate sort of thing - I really like them and I agree with Ideus that the Cherry ones are great but it's not that big of a deal to me personally, I don't think the Latin legends ruin the "immersion" with the Cyrillic alphas and I'm still perfectly content with it if you do somehow make the optional kit available.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 16 December 2016, 13:06:00
I would also like to see an icons-only mods for the cryllic alphas. just seems cleaner
Post by: ideus on Fri, 16 December 2016, 15:47:51
i think a separate group buy for icon only modifiers to match this colorway would be successful. there was a recent group buy in WoB that easily met MOQ.
I would also like to see an icons-only mods for the cryllic alphas. just seems cleaner
The set you mentioned included only the modifiers for the main alpha area of the layout; but here, the discussion is about a set that replace the legends of the nine block as well. Just for the record. I am interested in such a set personally, but I am not sure if that may get enough attention.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 16 December 2016, 16:38:37
i think a separate group buy for icon only modifiers to match this colorway would be successful. there was a recent group buy in WoB that easily met MOQ.
I would also like to see an icons-only mods for the cryllic alphas. just seems cleaner
The set you mentioned included only the modifiers for the main alpha area of the layout; but here, the discussion is about a set that replace the legends of the nine block as well. Just for the record. I am interested in such a set personally, but I am not sure if that may get enough attention.
I am considering to make such child deal. It will be pretty small: four enters (iso too and different colors), shifts (2.75u, 2 x 2.25u, 1.75u and 1.25u), two caps locks (with lock too), tab and two backspaces ( one for hhkb row 2 1.5u).
If there was kind of GB i would appretiate if someone could give me a link for it.
Anyway i'll show you the child deals for Yuri probably tommorow or after.
So far i like this discussion. This is how it should be.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 16 December 2016, 16:53:16
i think a separate group buy for icon only modifiers to match this colorway would be successful. there was a recent group buy in WoB that easily met MOQ.
I would also like to see an icons-only mods for the cryllic alphas. just seems cleaner
The set you mentioned included only the modifiers for the main alpha area of the layout; but here, the discussion is about a set that replace the legends of the nine block as well. Just for the record. I am interested in such a set personally, but I am not sure if that may get enough attention.
I am considering to make such child deal. It will be pretty small: four enters (iso too and different colors), shifts (2.75u, 2 x 2.25u, 1.75u and 1.25u), two caps locks (with lock too), tab and two backspaces ( one for hhkb row 2 1.5u).
If there was kind of GB i would appretiate if someone could give me a link for it.
Anyway i'll show you the child deals for Yuri probably tommorow or after.
So far i like this discussion. This is how it should be.
The one I was referring to was this (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80267.msg2085195#msg2085195).
Post by: poolside on Sat, 17 December 2016, 04:15:29
i think a separate group buy for icon only modifiers to match this colorway would be successful. there was a recent group buy in WoB that easily met MOQ.
I would also like to see an icons-only mods for the cryllic alphas. just seems cleaner
The set you mentioned included only the modifiers for the main alpha area of the layout; but here, the discussion is about a set that replace the legends of the nine block as well. Just for the record. I am interested in such a set personally, but I am not sure if that may get enough attention.
I am considering to make such child deal. It will be pretty small: four enters (iso too and different colors), shifts (2.75u, 2 x 2.25u, 1.75u and 1.25u), two caps locks (with lock too), tab and two backspaces ( one for hhkb row 2 1.5u).
If there was kind of GB i would appretiate if someone could give me a link for it.
Anyway i'll show you the child deals for Yuri probably tommorow or after.
So far i like this discussion. This is how it should be.
Looks like Yuri will get a lot of nice additions :)
Thanks for considering the extra 2.25 Shift for the Icon add-on :thumb:
Which kind of 1.5u Backspace legend will be used? Simple left-arrow-like or fat with the little cross inside?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 December 2016, 13:42:41
Base kit
(http://i.imgur.com/bDg5Oj2.png)
International kit
(http://i.imgur.com/Ju72SsU.png)
Cyrillic kit
(http://i.imgur.com/sDnbCaJ.png)
Icon mods kit
(http://i.imgur.com/cb8A4MV.png)
Ergodox/Planck kit
(http://i.imgur.com/qwazGER.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/V7qWFeA.png)
Community kit
(http://i.imgur.com/iAeUJaT.png)
Spacebar kit
(http://i.imgur.com/e4cTBkm.png)
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 17 December 2016, 13:57:00
Nice set, great work behind it!
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 17 December 2016, 13:58:17
Aside the novelties, the plan for these is still to potentially unlock the remainder of them as the drop progresses based off of how well the base sells right?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 December 2016, 14:17:43
Sorry for the marginal question, does the 5 in the numpad have a dot or a bar? Hope for a dot :thumb:
Nice set, great work behind it!
Probably dot per default like in Carbon.
Aside the novelties, the plan for these is still to potentially unlock the remainder of them as the drop progresses based off of how well the base sells right?
Dont know how its going to be. My plan is to relaease base set only first and then release all other child kits, if base kit salls well.
In the end i need to talk about this with MD. Its possible also that everything will be available from the start.
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 17 December 2016, 14:25:02
How about lunokhod and sputnik novelties as well?
Also is arrow pointing down a standard GMK caps lock symbol?
(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUyNQ==/z/p5cAAOxydyxSQGqG/$(KGrHqYOKo0FImQ!IW(eBSQGqGU7wg~~60_35.JPG) (https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0b/ac/f0/0bacf093c83d1d7a434ccc1903c724f0.jpg)
Thanks.
Post by: giammin on Sat, 17 December 2016, 14:42:29
IMHO base kit should be just the caps to cover a tkl to take price low and increase buyers and then add a specific kit for non standard layout. Just like the dasher and dancer kit now on massdrop
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 17 December 2016, 14:50:08
IMHO base kit should be just the caps to cover a tkl to take price low and increase buyers and then add a specific kit for non standard layout. Just like the dasher and dancer kit now on massdrop
That's SA though, SP buys are completely different from GMK's in terms of logistics, you can't really compare the 2.
Post by: dsaf on Sat, 17 December 2016, 14:56:01
Please add hammer and sickle in the novelty!
The topic is space though, e.g. SA Godspeed did not have eagles or stars-n-stripes. (Though I wouldn't say no to hammer and sickle personally)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 17 December 2016, 15:15:20
Please add hammer and sickle in the novelty!
IMHO base kit should be just the caps to cover a tkl to take price low and increase buyers and then add a specific kit for non standard layout. Just like the dasher and dancer kit now on massdrop
Do not mix GMK and SP drops/group buys. Also this is not a proven design. The base set stays as it is and it has everything you need. Everything else is optional.
There will be also hammer and sicle pack, which will probably contain also keys for dolch, classic beige and carbon.
Is star and stripes a soviet airspace symbol?
How about lunokhod and sputnik novelties as well?
Also is arrow pointing down a standard GMK caps lock symbol?Show Image(http://i.ebayimg.com/00/s/NTAwWDUyNQ==/z/p5cAAOxydyxSQGqG/$(KGrHqYOKo0FImQ!IW(eBSQGqGU7wg~~60_35.JPG)Show Image(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/0b/ac/f0/0bacf093c83d1d7a434ccc1903c724f0.jpg)
Thanks.
This is only Yuri related set. He was military member and UDSSR citizen. Star on stripes and "hammer and sickle" are on point.
By the way that lunohod has way to many details for doubleshot.
Post by: Giorgio on Sat, 17 December 2016, 16:16:09
Sorry for the marginal question, does the 5 in the numpad have a dot or a bar? Hope for a dot :thumb:
Nice set, great work behind it!
Probably dot per default like in Carbon.Aside the novelties, the plan for these is still to potentially unlock the remainder of them as the drop progresses based off of how well the base sells right?
Dont know how its going to be. My plan is to relaease base set only first and then release all other child kits, if base kit salls well.
In the end i need to talk about this with MD. Its possible also that everything will be available from the start.
...bar... I wanted to say bar. Who wants a dot :-DDDD
Post by: renzpwns on Sat, 17 December 2016, 16:19:09
Post by: soilheart on Sat, 17 December 2016, 16:26:31
WOOOO ICON MODS!
Yeah, that kinda sums up my feelings.
And here I was thinking I was going to sit this one out =P
Post by: pomk on Sat, 17 December 2016, 17:08:46
As for the cyrillic set, could you add the ISO/cyrillic keys to it? (R3 "/\" and R4 "\|" or also "/\", depending on source. I'm not Russian so I would not know for sure). As we all know, soviets used the ISO layout (or at least it was used by many systems), so it would be nice to include the keys to allow that option.
Edit: on a closer inspection I get more and more confused about the layouts in various cyrillic keyboards. Still an ISO option would need just 2 more keys to the kit. One ISO layout to cover could be the Ukrainian ISO cyrillic, which would need maybe just one additional key on top.
Post by: thad on Sat, 17 December 2016, 17:09:49
Post by: giammin on Sun, 18 December 2016, 03:36:08
Please add hammer and sickle in the novelty!
The topic is space though, e.g. SA Godspeed did not have eagles or stars-n-stripes. (Though I wouldn't say no to hammer and sickle personally)
Then a CCCP enter like yury's helmet
Post by: oatmicro on Sun, 18 December 2016, 06:34:18
Then a CCCP enter like yury's helmet
I thought it was a noodle bowl on the first time. :'(
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 18 December 2016, 10:13:15
Post by: pomk on Sun, 18 December 2016, 14:26:02
International and other "add on" packs with the exception of a novelty pack would be wise to separate. The reason for this is that not Everyone can pay the selling price in one drop. Thus giving the kit a break will keep people focused on committing to the base. If OP is right and the other kits struggle, it would be better to have them struggle after the base is sold. My $0.02.No! Me and many international folk will not buy the base set if the internationl kit does not tip.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 18 December 2016, 14:41:28
International and other "add on" packs with the exception of a novelty pack would be wise to separate. The reason for this is that not Everyone can pay the selling price in one drop. Thus giving the kit a break will keep people focused on committing to the base. If OP is right and the other kits struggle, it would be better to have them struggle after the base is sold. My $0.02.No! Me and many international folk will not buy the base set if the internationl kit does not tip.
And because of this i want first base set to tip without any addons or whatever and unlock the addons first if the sale number over specific time show some promissing results....
Post by: pomk on Sun, 18 December 2016, 15:01:56
Post by: MandrewDavis on Sun, 18 December 2016, 20:16:57
Post by: ideus on Sun, 18 December 2016, 20:48:13
(http://i.imgur.com/KnW2zEg.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 19 December 2016, 00:16:15
Beware: The icon mod kit is missing the Tab key.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KnW2zEg.png)
Good catch, thank you ;)
So T0mb3ry, when you are creating new keysets do you come up with something you really like and want for your own keyboard, but need everyone else to hit MOQ? Or is this just a hobby of yours, putting the time into designing all these awesome sets for the community?
I create keysets which i personaly do really need for my self. Pretty selfish huh? Nope its not. If i would not do it, then nobody would. Also i listen to other people, who also have an interest to aquire one of my sets, and try as much as i can to fullfill their needs. If you are creating a product not for your own needs then you are doing it wrong.
Is this a hobby? Yes. I have creational fun. Seeing people receiving their sets and most of them being happy with those - is priceless.
Post by: Data on Mon, 19 December 2016, 07:04:00
All is fine just as long as I don't have to commit to the base set before there is a definitive answer on the international (or cyrillic ;)) tipping or not.
You should have a plan B. Just because the base kit tips and unlocks the add-ons doesn't mean the Intl kit will meet MOQ.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 December 2016, 07:52:59
Yes, and this is why the international kit will fail if it is not closed at the same time or just before the main kit. I cannot just flip the base kit easily, as the zero profit re-sale price will be something in the area of 200 USD, thanks to taxes and relatively high shipping costs. Also, if the kits are dropped separately from each other won't the shipping costs be for each kit separately as well, further raising the cost?All is fine just as long as I don't have to commit to the base set before there is a definitive answer on the international (or cyrillic ;)) tipping or not.
You should have a plan B. Just because the base kit tips and unlocks the add-ons doesn't mean the Intl kit will meet MOQ.
My plan B is not to commit at all, as I don't need an expensive GMK set that I'm not going to use and cannot sell off at a reasonable price. :(
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:09:13
Base set
Added "00" key.
Numpad "5" is bar instead of nipple.
(http://i.imgur.com/weiXRQ7.png)
Icon Mods
Added missing Tab key
(http://i.imgur.com/8Dq0aGf.png)
Cyrillics
Added "/\" key for iso. However there is no proper russian iso available and there is no proper key next to the iso short key, thus the key "><|" available in base kit makes more sense. Basically the russian iso is not defined and it does not exist officially.
(http://i.imgur.com/zikJZsP.png)
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.
(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
I think its more then enough for the first run. I will not add any new keys, atleast only if these are really necessary. Check the kits and if you find some errors, i would appreciate if you point these out in this IC.
Post by: poolside on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:20:12
Exciting nonetheless :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:23:19
This update is just a "diff" to show what has changed and the International, ErgoDox, Novelties and spacebar kits are still there, right?
Exciting nonetheless :thumb:
Yes its just the "diff" :)
Check the first page to see all kits.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:25:01
Apple cyrillic layout example, just to amuse you: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Russian_Apple_Macintosh.svg (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:KB_Russian_Apple_Macintosh.svg)
p.s. the set looks amazing and thank you for adding the one key to the cyrillic layout.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:26:14
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:29:47
Hoping for the icon mod kit to be available stand alone, I'd join it, if it is. My wallet has been banned from keyboard stuff in 2017, but I cannot let this to pass, besides, wife would not notice a small pack in the mail.
Gosh i am not alone who needs to fight with wife because of addiction :))
Yeah once the icon mods are available you can buy those as stand alone, as long they tip their MOQ...
Post by: giammin on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:31:36
Ok here is the next update and i hope the last one. I will not introduce any new child deals/kits. I think this is way too much already but we'll see.
Base set
Added "00" key.
Numpad "5" is bar instead of nipple.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/weiXRQ7.png)
Icon Mods
Added missing Tab keyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8Dq0aGf.png)
Cyrillics
Added "/\" key for iso. However there is no proper russian iso available and there is no proper key next to the iso short key, thus the key "><|" available in base kit makes more sense. Basically the russian iso is not defined and it does not exist officially.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zikJZsP.png)
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
I think its more then enough for the first run. I will not add any new keys, atleast only if these are really necessary. Check the kits and if you find some errors, i would appreciate if you point these out in this IC.
I can only say: WOW AWESOME
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 19 December 2016, 16:36:04
Hoping for the icon mod kit to be available stand alone, I'd join it, if it is. My wallet has been banned from keyboard stuff in 2017, but I cannot let this to pass, besides, wife would not notice a small pack in the mail.
Gosh i am not alone who needs to fight with wife because of addiction :))
We could start a club or something LOL. I love the Glorious keys btw, such a nice addition man.
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 19 December 2016, 18:39:07
Ok here is the next update and i hope the last one. I will not introduce any new child deals/kits. I think this is way too much already but we'll see.Is there any reason why numeric keypad "5" keycap with a scoop is not provided?
Base set
Added "00" key.
Numpad "5" is bar instead of nipple.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/weiXRQ7.png)
Icon Mods
Added missing Tab keyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8Dq0aGf.png)
Cyrillics
Added "/\" key for iso. However there is no proper russian iso available and there is no proper key next to the iso short key, thus the key "><|" available in base kit makes more sense. Basically the russian iso is not defined and it does not exist officially.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zikJZsP.png)
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
I think its more then enough for the first run. I will not add any new keys, atleast only if these are really necessary. Check the kits and if you find some errors, i would appreciate if you point these out in this IC.
Post by: renzpwns on Mon, 19 December 2016, 19:25:51
Post by: ideus on Mon, 19 December 2016, 20:31:43
Hoping for the icon mod kit to be available stand alone, I'd join it, if it is. My wallet has been banned from keyboard stuff in 2017, but I cannot let this to pass, besides, wife would not notice a small pack in the mail.
Gosh i am not alone who needs to fight with wife because of addiction :))
Yeah once the icon mods are available you can buy those as stand alone, as long they tip their MOQ...
Yes! that rocks!
And yes, we should start a club.
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 20 December 2016, 02:05:03
Ok here is the next update and i hope the last one. I will not introduce any new child deals/kits. I think this is way too much already but we'll see.Is there any reason why numeric keypad "5" keycap with a scoop is not provided?
Base set
Added "00" key.
Numpad "5" is bar instead of nipple.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/weiXRQ7.png)
Icon Mods
Added missing Tab keyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8Dq0aGf.png)
Cyrillics
Added "/\" key for iso. However there is no proper russian iso available and there is no proper key next to the iso short key, thus the key "><|" available in base kit makes more sense. Basically the russian iso is not defined and it does not exist officially.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zikJZsP.png)
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
I think its more then enough for the first run. I will not add any new keys, atleast only if these are really necessary. Check the kits and if you find some errors, i would appreciate if you point these out in this IC.
mmm, never ever seen that... when using homing scoops on f and j, I've always seen a dot on the numpad's five.
Post by: Jumie on Tue, 20 December 2016, 03:40:08
Post by: duynguyenle on Tue, 20 December 2016, 03:47:26
Ok here is the next update and i hope the last one. I will not introduce any new child deals/kits. I think this is way too much already but we'll see.Is there any reason why numeric keypad "5" keycap with a scoop is not provided?
Base set
Added "00" key.
Numpad "5" is bar instead of nipple.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/weiXRQ7.png)
Icon Mods
Added missing Tab keyShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/8Dq0aGf.png)
Cyrillics
Added "/\" key for iso. However there is no proper russian iso available and there is no proper key next to the iso short key, thus the key "><|" available in base kit makes more sense. Basically the russian iso is not defined and it does not exist officially.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zikJZsP.png)
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
I think its more then enough for the first run. I will not add any new keys, atleast only if these are really necessary. Check the kits and if you find some errors, i would appreciate if you point these out in this IC.
There has never been numeric 5 with scoops, only bars or nipper
Post by: Doge on Tue, 20 December 2016, 20:29:20
Post by: xZ3ROx on Tue, 20 December 2016, 21:52:39
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Post by: dsaf on Wed, 21 December 2016, 13:59:30
Glorious keys
Sure we can discuss the chosen colors.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CFcZdSV.png)
1) If they are R1 then maybe also Yuri gray-on-orange as an alternative to same Esc?
2) Same for Carbon.
3) Maybe a naval USSR color combo RO2 on CP?
(instead of beige, bubble gum and army)
Post by: ccnewbie on Fri, 23 December 2016, 21:05:26
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 23 December 2016, 21:54:47
Would I be able to just buy the Cyrillic set and the ergodox set and that would work for my ergodox?Unfortunately not, the Cyrillic set does not contain enough keys to fill the number row on an ErgoDox.
Post by: shower_king on Fri, 23 December 2016, 23:17:02
Legend color contrast base color well in a harmonious way.
My worry is that DY1 and MG1 both has red elements in them, DY1 would seem a bit darker than real one on MG1 color just like the "control"s in GMK unqueorn.
Post by: ccnewbie on Fri, 23 December 2016, 23:38:51
Would I be able to just buy the Cyrillic set and the ergodox set and that would work for my ergodox?Unfortunately not, the Cyrillic set does not contain enough keys to fill the number row on an ErgoDox.
Thanks for the reply. How many total keys are needed? If using Cyrillic they wouldn't be for reference so having all numbers doesn't matter.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 December 2016, 05:15:22
Would I be able to just buy the Cyrillic set and the ergodox set and that would work for my ergodox?Unfortunately not, the Cyrillic set does not contain enough keys to fill the number row on an ErgoDox.
Thanks for the reply. How many total keys are needed? If using Cyrillic they wouldn't be for reference so having all numbers doesn't matter.
I do not understand the purpose of this question: "How many total keys are needed?"
You cant use number keys from different keysets, because of different colors. If you want number row then there is no way around as buying the base set.
My worry is that DY1 and MG1 both has red elements in them, DY1 would seem a bit darker than real one on MG1 color just like the "control"s in GMK unqueorn.
DY1 on MG1 compements each other very well and as you said the same color combo was done with Unique0rn. The "Control" is very visible and distinct if you look at it in person. However i have nothing against to change MG1 color to 3C.
Post by: ccnewbie on Sat, 24 December 2016, 06:02:27
Would I be able to just buy the Cyrillic set and the ergodox set and that would work for my ergodox?Unfortunately not, the Cyrillic set does not contain enough keys to fill the number row on an ErgoDox.
Thanks for the reply. How many total keys are needed? If using Cyrillic they wouldn't be for reference so having all numbers doesn't matter.
I do not understand the purpose of this question: "How many total keys are needed?"
You cant use number keys from different keysets, because of different colors. If you want number row then there is no way around as buying the base set.
Sorry. I guess what I meant was that aren't number keys 1u and ergodox just requires 60 of them so I could theoretically take another 1u key and substitute that? Isn't that how blanks work?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 December 2016, 06:57:24
Sorry. I guess what I meant was that aren't number keys 1u and ergodox just requires 60 of them so I could theoretically take another 1u key and substitute that? Isn't that how blanks work?
Sure you can, but the problem is to get those blanks in the right color. Or you can use complete different colors just for the number row. Overall this can work.
Post by: ccnewbie on Sat, 24 December 2016, 07:09:25
Sorry. I guess what I meant was that aren't number keys 1u and ergodox just requires 60 of them so I could theoretically take another 1u key and substitute that? Isn't that how blanks work?
Sure you can, but the problem is to get those blanks in the right color. Or you can use complete different colors just for the number row. Overall this can work.
Thanks. I don't know why I'm even asking as I'm going to get the base anyway! Any luck this drops before the new year? I know you said "soon", so just wishful thinking for this gorgeous set. :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 24 December 2016, 07:44:12
Anything i know is that it will drop definitely in the first quarter of 2017. Say January, February or March. Yeah and there is no way this to happen before 2017 because Massdrop's schedule is pretty tight.Sorry. I guess what I meant was that aren't number keys 1u and ergodox just requires 60 of them so I could theoretically take another 1u key and substitute that? Isn't that how blanks work?
Sure you can, but the problem is to get those blanks in the right color. Or you can use complete different colors just for the number row. Overall this can work.
Thanks. I don't know why I'm even asking as I'm going to get the base anyway! Any luck this drops before the new year? I know you said "soon", so just wishful thinking for this gorgeous set. :thumb:
Post by: potatobot on Sat, 24 December 2016, 07:55:22
Anything i know is that it will drop definitely in the first quarter of 2017. Say January, February or March. Yeah and there is no way this to happen before 2017 because Massdrop's schedule is pretty tight.
Hope that schedule works with my wallet haha!
Great set man, my only wish is that all GMK base kits would be as low as GMK carbon :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 26 December 2016, 07:10:06
(http://i.imgur.com/pBzW1xk.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gezESUl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/SNoCDZU.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1g0IzvA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/OC8HKy2.png)
Post by: thad on Mon, 26 December 2016, 07:11:23
Post by: rioc on Tue, 27 December 2016, 01:06:34
Just want to show you some astonishing renders from Zambumon for the drop. For now the renders do not include ergodox/planck and international kits.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/pBzW1xk.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gezESUl.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SNoCDZU.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1g0IzvA.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OC8HKy2.png)
ah yeah! SO in for this... if cyrillics reaches moq, there's no need for intl. ;)
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 27 December 2016, 07:51:16
Sexy af
Post by: kmba on Wed, 28 December 2016, 00:11:43
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 28 December 2016, 00:13:51
Post by: polentA on Wed, 28 December 2016, 11:22:33
Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 28 December 2016, 12:47:25
Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Wed, 28 December 2016, 14:02:14
Time to start saving up!Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
Post by: condekind on Wed, 28 December 2016, 22:34:52
Post by: shinz0 on Wed, 28 December 2016, 22:36:41
Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
Awesome! U are such a good dude. With plum and Honeywell happening over the next couple months my wallet was starting to beg mercy!
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 29 December 2016, 03:25:47
Post by: WNovizar on Thu, 29 December 2016, 04:10:08
Post by: rioc on Fri, 30 December 2016, 01:22:24
Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
this is great! Enough time to save up and participate in the terminal GB ;)
also, GMK doesn't have a 3U mold right? (I'm thinking of my minila) ;)
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sun, 01 January 2017, 21:05:56
Post by: potatobot on Mon, 02 January 2017, 08:18:34
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Post by: brizzzle on Mon, 02 January 2017, 10:47:37
Is there an ETA on this drop?
I think sometime before March is the goal.
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
This is going to be a great year for keycaps!
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 05 January 2017, 21:06:19
Sorry i need to correct myself, it will be probably April...ish. So, who ever is interested in this drop, has time to gather ressources or participate on other awesome GBs or whatever.
HEAPS of time here, so we all don't have to feel like Chardee MacDennis Losers.
Save the moolah then when it's announced go crazy down the streets, throwing empty bottles everywhere, chain ourselves to basements and drink laxatives. This time we're all going to be First Time Winners :thumb: .
Post by: srang on Sun, 22 January 2017, 18:32:12
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Post by: mtzgr on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:21:51
(http://68.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m8s4re8wNP1qhiwsqo1_400.jpg)
Post by: ideus on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:47:37
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 23 January 2017, 03:44:27
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 23 January 2017, 07:19:07
Just realized it only need Cyrillic and Ergo+Ortho to fill a Planck :thumb:
Aren't you missing some of the punctuation? (brackets and periods/commas etc...)
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 23 January 2017, 09:31:40
Just realized it only need Cyrillic and Ergo+Ortho to fill a Planck :thumb:
Aren't you missing some of the punctuation? (brackets and periods/commas etc...)
I was saying "to fill a Planck" which not necessarily in correct legend since I can't read Cyrillic too, it just some "graphical blanks" for me. And as a Colemak user, non–qwerty layout is always more amusing to see.
So if my wallet permits, finally I have reasons to get some GMKs ^-^
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:30:45
Is the space bar kit going to be available in alpha base color?
It will then have moq of 150 which is not optimal. Though i can change the color of available spacebar kit to alpha color, because that orange is very loud.
By the way Yuri will introduce 2u spacebar which will be included into planck/ergodox kit. Also there is possibility that the 2u "0 Ins" key on numpad may get the shape of a spacebar.
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 23 January 2017, 11:57:58
Shout it from the rooftops, people.Is the space bar kit going to be available in alpha base color?
It will then have moq of 150 which is not optimal. Though i can change the color of available spacebar kit to alpha color, because that orange is very loud.
By the way Yuri will introduce 2u spacebar which will be included into planck/ergodox kit. Also there is possibility that the 2u "0 Ins" key on numpad may get the shape of a spacebar.
Post by: srang on Mon, 23 January 2017, 22:15:57
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Post by: kmba on Mon, 23 January 2017, 23:06:22
So is that a no on minivan support?
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It would cover, but you'd have to use an off profile cap for the 1.25 R3 key next to the "a" on the minivan. Maybe the R4 1.25u shift key. I think this is the only off profile cap.
There's several 1.5u R3 keys you could use for enter.
You'd need to buy the Icons mod kit to get a second r4 1.75u key if you have the standard minivan layout (not the arrow).
You could get away with using shift and enter keys for the "spacebars" on the van, but the spacebar kit would have you covered if you wanted.
Post by: srang on Tue, 24 January 2017, 04:33:21
Thanks! I was looking at getting those kits anywaysSo is that a no on minivan support?
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It would cover, but you'd have to use an off profile cap for the 1.25 R3 key next to the "a" on the minivan. Maybe the R4 1.25u shift key. I think this is the only off profile cap.
There's several 1.5u R3 keys you could use for enter.
You'd need to buy the Icons mod kit to get a second r4 1.75u key if you have the standard minivan layout (not the arrow).
You could get away with using shift and enter keys for the "spacebars" on the van, but the spacebar kit would have you covered if you wanted.
Post by: need on Wed, 25 January 2017, 16:23:52
Is the space bar kit going to be available in alpha base color?
It will then have moq of 150 which is not optimal. Though i can change the color of available spacebar kit to alpha color, because that orange is very loud.
By the way Yuri will introduce 2u spacebar which will be included into planck/ergodox kit. Also there is possibility that the 2u "0 Ins" key on numpad may get the shape of a spacebar.
Oh my...finally a convex spacebar? That's the greatest thing you could have done to the planck users :-*
Thanks for taking this initiative, it is important to have the correct profile. I just don't understand how fancy designs are keep pumping out yet this problem hasn't been addressed, or even actively disregarded by certain group buyers who even advised us to stop using Cherry profile if the flipped spacebar doesn't suit us... :confused:
Post by: kmba on Wed, 25 January 2017, 16:45:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 25 January 2017, 17:01:23
Are these custom colors? Any of them standard GMK?
All three colors are custom.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 25 January 2017, 17:11:32
Post by: mtzgr on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:51:01
Anyone opinion on spacebar kit in different color? Orange or alpha colors? I am pretty much open to it. If everyone is ok we'll do it in alpha color.
Please keep the orange spacebars. :(
Post by: giammin on Thu, 26 January 2017, 03:53:33
Anyone opinion on spacebar kit in different color? Orange or alpha colors?
guess my preference ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/rexWS4Dm.jpg) (http://imgur.com/rexWS4D)
Post by: srang on Sat, 04 February 2017, 13:17:17
Anyone opinion on spacebar kit in different color? Orange or alpha colors? I am pretty much open to it. If everyone is ok we'll do it in alpha color.
Orange space bars please
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 February 2017, 14:02:10
Post by: srang on Sat, 04 February 2017, 14:07:19
So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.Yayyyyy
Post by: poolside on Sat, 04 February 2017, 14:45:36
So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 February 2017, 14:55:07
Four colors? Also you called two colors wrong. Probably your display device (be it a mobile phone or monitor) needs to be calibrated or you are color blind. I hope for the first.So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Just for the help: the legends on mods and alphas are orange but close to red. The mods are deep blue and the alphas are light blue.
Post by: srang on Sat, 04 February 2017, 15:28:21
I actually meant to ask this earlier but in the new(ish) renders, the alpha base seems less blue than the original renders. I think I remember seeing that you had sample color chips at one point. Is the color closer to the gmk renders or zambumon's?Four colors? Also you called two colors wrong. Probably your display device (be it a mobile phone or monitor) needs to be calibrated or you are color blind. I hope for the first.So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Just for the help: the legends on mods and alphas are orange but close to red. The mods are deep blue and the alphas are light blue.
Post by: poolside on Sat, 04 February 2017, 15:37:39
Four colors? Also you called two colors wrong. Probably your display device (be it a mobile phone or monitor) needs to be calibrated or you are color blind. I hope for the first.So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Just for the help: the legends on mods and alphas are orange but close to red. The mods are deep blue and the alphas are light blue.
Ok, so that would be orange-red/red-orange spacebars, thanks. I was picturing Carbon-orange spacebars. I went a few pages up in the thread to have another look at the sample keycaps.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 February 2017, 15:44:29
I actually meant to ask this earlier but in the new(ish) renders, the alpha base seems less blue than the original renders. I think I remember seeing that you had sample color chips at one point. Is the color closer to the gmk renders or zambumon's?Four colors? Also you called two colors wrong. Probably your display device (be it a mobile phone or monitor) needs to be calibrated or you are color blind. I hope for the first.So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Just for the help: the legends on mods and alphas are orange but close to red. The mods are deep blue and the alphas are light blue.
This might be a rendering thing. You know the shadows and so on. I gave zambumon the exact color codes, which are used for my mockups. Thus they are pretty right. Honestly (knowing about shadows in the renders) i dont see a difference...
Also i'd like to note that there is probably a slightly difference between the color codes and the samples i got for Yuri. But that is usual, since GMK matched the samples to the color codes and they did a great job. The samples are great and their color deliver even a better vibe in person as displayed in mockups.
Post by: srang on Sat, 04 February 2017, 16:01:15
Okay, yeah it may just be my monitor then. I was just worried that there had been a decision to lighten the blue even more that I had missed or something (on my monitor the alphas almost look like they have a white base). At this point I trust you completely to make the set perfect!! Can't wait for this to dropI actually meant to ask this earlier but in the new(ish) renders, the alpha base seems less blue than the original renders. I think I remember seeing that you had sample color chips at one point. Is the color closer to the gmk renders or zambumon's?Four colors? Also you called two colors wrong. Probably your display device (be it a mobile phone or monitor) needs to be calibrated or you are color blind. I hope for the first.So many people are for the orange spacebar kit. So be it.
So, that would be a fourth color: red (alpha legends), blue (mods), light grey (alpha base) and orange?
Just for the help: the legends on mods and alphas are orange but close to red. The mods are deep blue and the alphas are light blue.
This might be a rendering thing. You know the shadows and so on. I gave zambumon the exact color codes, which are used for my mockups. Thus they are pretty right. Honestly (knowing about shadows in the renders) i dont see a difference...
Also i'd like to note that there is probably a slightly difference between the color codes and the samples i got for Yuri. But that is usual, since GMK matched the samples to the color codes and they did a great job. The samples are great and their color deliver even a better vibe in person as displayed in mockups.
PS (carbon is amazing!!!)
Post by: need on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:51:38
I guess I only like orange being an accent colour, not a big slab of it. After all it's the subdued feel of YURI that I liked.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 09 February 2017, 17:59:41
Imagine having two alpha coloured split-spacebars... that would look amazing. Now imagine two orange split-spacebars, that's just too loud :(
I guess I only like orange being an accent colour, not a big slab of it. After all it's the subdued feel of YURI that I liked.
I share your opinion. I am thinking about offering two spacebar kits. Orange and alpha blue. Guess hitting moq will be hard.
Post by: srang on Thu, 09 February 2017, 18:04:21
Imagine having two alpha coloured split-spacebars... that would look amazing. Now imagine two orange split-spacebars, that's just too loud :(
I guess I only like orange being an accent colour, not a big slab of it. After all it's the subdued feel of YURI that I liked.
I share your opinion. I am thinking about offering two spacebar kits. Orange and alpha blue. Guess hitting moq will be hard.
given the choice between alpha space bars and not hitting moq, I'd take alpha space bars. I'd even be open to paying more and getting both so that everyone is happy and we hit moq. But maybe that's just me
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:06:47
I share your opinion. I am thinking about offering two spacebar kits. Orange and alpha blue. Guess hitting moq will be hard.
Yea alpha bars will also be great, I like orange so I'm biased toward that but either way I am happy. If offering two separate kits is feasible then maybe it's worth a shot, if it's not looking too hot after a couple days then maybe removing the one that is doing the worst in benefit of the other might be doable with Massdrop's help?
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:27:41
That new convex 2u for planck is HYPE btw. I don't know, maybe someday there will be 1u space
Post by: srang on Thu, 09 February 2017, 19:33:00
Can you make it to be alpha color for smaller bars and orange color for bigger bars in one kit? I love seeing accent bars on big board but it will be too loud for small board (40ish).This seems like a good idea. Might even make sense to have a poll or something
That new convex 2u for planck is HYPE btw. I don't know, maybe someday there will be 1u spacebarbuttons too, my Grid Planck will be perfect
Post by: stoic-lemon on Fri, 10 February 2017, 16:54:38
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 10 February 2017, 17:22:46
Post by: srang on Fri, 10 February 2017, 17:35:57
I'd like to offer spacebar kits in both colors. Though each color will have its moq and thus the better might win. Best case scenario would be both tiping :)You're the boss, Boss
but I am also starting to come around to the idea of the alpha spacebar kit. I just ordered the smokey oasis jelly key which would go really nice with that... Who knows, might even have to order both space bar kits.... _Begins agressive budgeting_
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 10 February 2017, 18:18:48
I'd like to offer spacebar kits in both colors. Though each color will have its moq and thus the better might win. Best case scenario would be both tiping :)
Yea I'd buy both, I like space bar kits a lot.
Post by: flyboyalif on Fri, 10 February 2017, 21:51:04
Post by: srang on Sat, 11 February 2017, 08:26:36
Post by: krisst on Sat, 11 February 2017, 09:32:22
So what sizes would be in the alpha spacebar kit? Since some sizes are in base kit? Or would those get pulled out?
Since alpha spacebars are already in the base kit. Those 4 sizes, 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u alpha spacebars could be added to the spacebar kit with all those orange spacebars to make things easier, with less kits. This would add some cost to the existing spacebar kit and help with MOQ too.
Post by: srang on Sat, 11 February 2017, 10:49:00
You read my thoughtsSo what sizes would be in the alpha spacebar kit? Since some sizes are in base kit? Or would those get pulled out?
Since alpha spacebars are already in the base kit. Those 4 sizes, 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u alpha spacebars could be added to the spacebar kit with all those orange spacebars to make things easier, with less kits. This would add some cost to the existing spacebar kit and help with MOQ too.
Post by: krisst on Sat, 11 February 2017, 11:23:11
You read my thoughtsSo what sizes would be in the alpha spacebar kit? Since some sizes are in base kit? Or would those get pulled out?
Since alpha spacebars are already in the base kit. Those 4 sizes, 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u alpha spacebars could be added to the spacebar kit with all those orange spacebars to make things easier, with less kits. This would add some cost to the existing spacebar kit and help with MOQ too.
Thanks. Personally will most likely be joining this GB when it launches. Last I heard, the plan is the run the GB in April. There have been too many keysets GB running recently, which is a good thing as a consumer, just have to be more picky as a buyer.
Post by: BlackInk on Sat, 11 February 2017, 11:42:01
Post by: srang on Sat, 11 February 2017, 12:04:43
Very interested, when the gb will launch?I heard sometime in April
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 11 February 2017, 14:18:40
So what sizes would be in the alpha spacebar kit? Since some sizes are in base kit? Or would those get pulled out?
Since alpha spacebars are already in the base kit. Those 4 sizes, 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u alpha spacebars could be added to the spacebar kit with all those orange spacebars to make things easier, with less kits. This would add some cost to the existing spacebar kit and help with MOQ too.
I understadn but guess there are people who buy the spacebar kit just for additional extra spacebars, despite base set having those already.
Post by: srang on Sat, 11 February 2017, 14:50:45
Might be worth a poll. I'd get both kits but if the alpha kit has duplicates with the spacebars in the base kit I think it'd have a harder time hitting moq.So what sizes would be in the alpha spacebar kit? Since some sizes are in base kit? Or would those get pulled out?
Since alpha spacebars are already in the base kit. Those 4 sizes, 2.75u, 2.25u, 2u, 1.75u alpha spacebars could be added to the spacebar kit with all those orange spacebars to make things easier, with less kits. This would add some cost to the existing spacebar kit and help with MOQ too.
I understadn but guess there are people who buy the spacebar kit just for additional extra spacebars, despite base set having those already.
Post by: Solaris on Mon, 13 February 2017, 23:05:27
Post by: laaurora on Mon, 13 February 2017, 23:57:48
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.
Post by: flyboyalif on Tue, 14 February 2017, 09:20:19
I have no MX-compatible keyboards, so I'm not your target audience. I still couldn't stop myself from reading all of this thread for some reason.
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.
why dont u change your slider to MX compatible ? this is only solution for topre user such my hhkb-s
Post by: Data on Tue, 14 February 2017, 09:24:43
I have no MX-compatible keyboards, so I'm not your target audience. I still couldn't stop myself from reading all of this thread for some reason.
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.
why dont u change your slider to MX compatible ? this is only solution for topre user such my hhkb-s
Or... return to the light and embrace the magic of MX mechanical switches. CHERRY #1
Post by: laaurora on Tue, 14 February 2017, 10:09:55
I have no MX-compatible keyboards, so I'm not your target audience. I still couldn't stop myself from reading all of this thread for some reason.
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.
why dont u change your slider to MX compatible ? this is only solution for topre user such my hhkb-s
I really like the color schemes of some custom keysets. They look very refreshing compared to what I always thought the keyboards were supposed to look like. I also find the look of SA profile old-new and charming.
I don't necessarily want any of that on my keyboard though. I know the novelty would wear off after few days and I'd be there looking for something new and wasting tons of money on it. I don't want to get sucked into that black hole -)
Stock HHKB keycaps feel very nicely shaped, textured and solid. And classic grey-white scheme looks good on my table and won't get old, because it's already kind of old. I will keep an eye on a custom Control and Fn keys for usability reasons and a bit of fun, but I'm content with just looking at the pictures of these wonderful MX keysets otherwise -)
Post by: giammin on Tue, 14 February 2017, 10:17:27
I know the novelty would wear off after few days and I'd be there looking for something new and wasting tons of money on it. I don't want to get sucked into that black hole -)
doubleshot dont wear off
worst can happen after a lot of use is the shine (only on abs keycaps and not pbt)
hhkb keycaps are pbt but specebar is abs so you will know what is the shine i'm refering to
Post by: laaurora on Tue, 14 February 2017, 10:51:55
I didn't mean physical condition of the keys. It's the feeling of excitement and freshness that would wear off, making me crave something new again and again.I know the novelty would wear off after few days and I'd be there looking for something new and wasting tons of money on it. I don't want to get sucked into that black hole -)
doubleshot dont wear off
worst can happen after a lot of use is the shine (only on abs keycaps and not pbt)
hhkb keycaps are pbt but specebar is abs so you will know what is the shine i'm refering to
I don't care about the shine that much, but I can always buy a replacement spacebar if it gets too bad.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 February 2017, 11:08:47
I have no MX-compatible keyboards, so I'm not your target audience. I still couldn't stop myself from reading all of this thread for some reason.Everyone will return to mx (not leaving topre). Just be honest to yourself. Get an mx board and be happy with mx and topre :)
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.Thanks for the kind words.
Ofcourse i've tested before posting IC, if its possible to replicate the font from scans (despite me having no experience in typefont development). Else i wouldn't do the IC. It costed me stupid amount of time to replicate the font but looking back at proper cherry cyrillics i think it was well worth it. Still unhappy with gorton modified cyrillics. In case GMK Yuri will be succesfull and thus plans go towards SP SA Yuri - i will review and rework gorton modified cyrillics.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.Its weird to see cyrillics used by people who dont speak russian (or other slavic languages). But the reason is simple: aesthetics. Also that only cyrillics alphas can be easily used as kind of special blanks.
Post by: laaurora on Tue, 14 February 2017, 11:56:30
Everyone will return to mx (not leaving topre). Just be honest to yourself. Get an mx board and be happy with mx and topre :)I have tried a couple of mx boards in store before but I never owned one. I went from apple's chiclets straight to topre and I really really hope to stay where I am for a while -) There are just a lot of other things demanding my wallet's attention right now.
Thanks for the kind words.The resulting cyrillics are no way perfect (Ы looks very wide next to Ф etc) it's still such a huge improvement over the cherry version, so I don't think anyone can complain. I always wondered why no existing font is being used for this kind of thing though. Aren't there a bunch of free ones out there? And even commercial ones are in the range of $20-$100 per style, which is nothing compared to the overall cost of production.
Ofcourse i've tested before posting IC, if its possible to replicate the font from scans (despite me having no experience in typefont development). Else i wouldn't do the IC. It costed me stupid amount of time to replicate the font but looking back at proper cherry cyrillics i think it was well worth it. Still unhappy with gorton modified cyrillics. In case GMK Yuri will be succesfull and thus plans go towards SP SA Yuri - i will review and rework gorton modified cyrillics.
Its weird to see cyrillics used by people who dont speak russian (or other slavic languages). But the reason is simple: aesthetics. Also that only cyrillics alphas can be easily used as kind of special blanks.I understand. It's just I had a lot of worries as I was doing research for my keyboard purchase. As a native speaker of russian who did not touch type, my options seemed very limited. There were a lot of nice keyboards and keysets available, but very few from the ones I liked offered the cyrillic legends to make them usable for me.
I chose topre, so in the end I had no choice but to polish my touch typing. Still seeing a beautiful cyrillics keyset, that no native speaker can actually use, seems such a waste and borderline mockery -)
Post by: ideus on Tue, 14 February 2017, 12:54:58
Still seeing a beautiful cyrillics keyset, that no native speaker can actually use, seems such a waste and borderline mockery -)
Legends that serves no purpose, but looking good, is just one example of many aspects of keyboard aficionados' paraphernalia that is common in this hobby. Even if I like them, it is very hard for my personal economy to justify buying something like this; but, I am pretty sure it will get its share of demand when it reaches the GB phase.
Post by: Data on Tue, 14 February 2017, 13:04:00
Post by: laaurora on Tue, 14 February 2017, 16:03:24
Legends that serves no purpose, but looking good, is just one example of many aspects of keyboard aficionados' paraphernalia that is common in this hobby. Even if I like them, it is very hard for my personal economy to justify buying something like this; but, I am pretty sure it will get its share of demand when it reaches the GB phase.
If it looks good to you it's never a waste.
I was very surprised to find out such thing as 'using cyrillic legends for purely decorative purposes' even exists, to be honest. I'm a designer by trade, and I'm facing a lot of frustration every time I have to deal with this writing system. It's much more awkward and less refined than latin script. And the legends cherry used only make things worse.
I do get the exotic factor though, and I truly have nothing against legend choices for purely aesthetic reasons. I just shared another perspective on the issue – the perspective of people who actually need cyrillic legends in order to use their keyboard. The choices they have are pretty limited and this set, despite the theme, will not be broadening them. Which is ok, I guess.
Post by: lyk503 on Tue, 14 February 2017, 16:20:35
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Post by: Solaris on Tue, 14 February 2017, 17:03:40
I have no MX-compatible keyboards, so I'm not your target audience. I still couldn't stop myself from reading all of this thread for some reason.I agree. Combined Cyrillic/Latin would be much better but I guess it's impossible to do that with GMK keys. That's very unfortunate.
The colors you chose are beautiful. And truth to be told, when you first mentioned you plan to create cyrillic letters out of the latin ones, I was waiting for some kind of car crush to happen. It never works, but you made it work somehow. Your attention to detail and the amount of revisions you've done for this project kept impressing me again and again as I was reading. I just had to post here to show my respect.
PS. Cyrillic-only board is still a very very weird idea.
Post by: colbs on Tue, 14 February 2017, 19:33:30
First off, I love this set!
I have a question for those with some more experience on these group buys (I am fairly new to the community). I would like to get both the yuri and nautilus sets. Based on this thread, it seems the consensus is that yuri will be dropped sometime in April. On the massdrop discussion page, Zambumon said nautilus will drop in either April or May. Is it common for GMK sets to drop within a month of each other? If the two sets might drop one right after the other, I want to make sure to stash enough funds to ensure I don't miss out on one of them.
Thanks for any help!
P.S. I am sorry if this post isn't quite on topic for an IC for yuri, but I wasn't sure where it would be appropriate to ask this question
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 14 February 2017, 21:53:11
P.S. I am sorry if this post isn't quite on topic for an IC for yuri, but I wasn't sure where it would be appropriate to ask this question
I'd say it is unlikely that they'd drop around the same time - mostly not because of GMK but because of Massdrop, as a rule of thumb they seem to run custom sets every other month, once a month at most, so you shouldn't have to worry about both of them dropping in April at least. Plum is currently active and as far as I'm aware Mito's Laser is still on track for a Q1 release so I'd imagine if Yuri is to drop in April then Nautilus might be a late May release or so (or vice versa, if that happens to be the case).
This is all speculation and guesstimating obviously - should easily have at least one month in between releases.
Post by: colbs on Tue, 14 February 2017, 22:28:02
This is all speculation and guesstimating obviously - should easily have at least one month in between releases.
Thanks for the info! It seems there are a bunch of great sets dropping soon (I forgot about laser, another awesome looking set). Time to get the wallet prepared!
Post by: polentA on Wed, 15 February 2017, 12:58:58
This is all speculation and guesstimating obviously - should easily have at least one month in between releases.
Thanks for the info! It seems there are a bunch of great sets dropping soon (I forgot about laser, another awesome looking set). Time to get the wallet prepared!
Plum, Andes Mint, Yuri, SNES, Laser. Good year for GMK keysets!
Post by: johuu on Wed, 15 February 2017, 13:20:47
This is all speculation and guesstimating obviously - should easily have at least one month in between releases.
Thanks for the info! It seems there are a bunch of great sets dropping soon (I forgot about laser, another awesome looking set). Time to get the wallet prepared!
Plum, Andes Mint, Yuri, SNES, Laser. Good year for GMK keysets!
Indeed, don't forget Black Lotus and Nautilus.
Post by: Meitachi on Wed, 15 February 2017, 16:07:52
This is all speculation and guesstimating obviously - should easily have at least one month in between releases.
Thanks for the info! It seems there are a bunch of great sets dropping soon (I forgot about laser, another awesome looking set). Time to get the wallet prepared!
Plum, Andes Mint, Yuri, SNES, Laser. Good year for GMK keysets!
Indeed, don't forget Black Lotus and Nautilus.
So many good choices! My poor wallet can't handle all the ones I want. Choices, choices...!
Post by: paulforgione on Fri, 17 February 2017, 11:43:42
Post by: hoq on Sat, 18 February 2017, 20:54:43
A must buy keyset!
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 19 February 2017, 00:53:43
Ok here is the combo in the mix with different light conditions.
Mix of artificial/natural light:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DJ0n0id.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/74coHKB.jpg)
Natural light only:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/epUrCst.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KuMrjhT.jpg)
Keep in mind you cant transfer the mood and the feel to the eye with a camera. In person the whole looks 200% better than on these pictures. I cant get the words to explain how powerfull the colors are and how they complete each other as a whole. Looking at it in person i cant wait to see the real set.Would this set run this year?
Not this year. I hope i can get a spot first half of 2017.
I thought the alphas will be more blue than that, because the render give the "pale blue" impression while the sample color still give a "white" impression for me.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 03:25:25
Ok here is the combo in the mix with different light conditions.
Mix of artificial/natural light:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DJ0n0id.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/74coHKB.jpg)
Natural light only:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/epUrCst.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KuMrjhT.jpg)
Keep in mind you cant transfer the mood and the feel to the eye with a camera. In person the whole looks 200% better than on these pictures. I cant get the words to explain how powerfull the colors are and how they complete each other as a whole. Looking at it in person i cant wait to see the real set.Would this set run this year?
Not this year. I hope i can get a spot first half of 2017.
I thought the alphas will be more blue than that, because the render give the "pale blue" impression while the sample color still give a "white" impression for me.
For mockups i took the color code of Signature Plastics BFM color sample. There is ofcorse some differences between BFM and GMK sample, but they are so close that i dont mind making a big deal out of it. Keep also in mind the color is more vivid in person than showed in the photo. Probably my equipment cant catch that color properly or i dont know how to catch it properly (because i am beginner). Anyway on my ips monitor which i hope can display 98% of all colors properly (with the best adjustments i've found in the internet), the colors of samples and the mockups look very close.
Just another pic of sample with automated white correction...
(http://i.imgur.com/VMGfeQi.jpg)
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 19 February 2017, 04:45:07
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 05:00:44
How about include add-on kit for dvorak layout?
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I was thinking about that already.
Любой каприз за ваши деньги. Which means actually as long as people are interested and are ready to pay, everything is possible.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 05:06:15
Post by: srang on Sun, 19 February 2017, 07:52:11
By the way i've forgot to tell: the photo also cant deliver the neon touch of the orange sample.Ooooooo that last pic with the white correction just got me so excited. That one really caught the pale blue
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:26:47
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kit
(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kit
(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
Post by: thad on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:30:29
You people have to keep in mind doing suggestions, that every kit (except the international kit) will have moq of 150. It costs me only my time to introduce new kits. Anyway i think doing so, i need to consider if its worth doing it. Right now i cant say anything about the colemak and dvorak kit, but in my opinion they deserve a try. Honestly, for me the most important thing is the base set. Everything else is nice to have and is very welcome. I deeply hope everything tips and everyone get the set and the kits he wants to get.
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
T0mv3ry you are a man of the people! Keep up the awesome work
Post by: srang on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:51:26
Great work on the set, I hope everything tips
Post by: krisst on Sun, 19 February 2017, 10:53:22
You people have to keep in mind doing suggestions, that every kit (except the international kit) will have moq of 150. It costs me only my time to introduce new kits. Anyway i think doing so, i need to consider if its worth doing it. Right now i cant say anything about the colemak and dvorak kit, but in my opinion they deserve a try. Honestly, for me the most important thing is the base set. Everything else is nice to have and is very welcome. I deeply hope everything tips and everyone get the set and the kits he wants to get.
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
I wonder if there is a need for a separate blue spacebar kit especially since the base set already have the 3 longer spacebars (6.25u, 6u and 7u). What if the 4 shorter ones are added to the existing orange spacebar kit? In a way, that would help with the MOQ too. Hopefully anyone thinking to pick up the additional spacebar kit would like to have more options.
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 19 February 2017, 11:12:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 11:32:43
I wonder if there is a need for a separate blue spacebar kit especially since the base set already have the 3 longer spacebars (6.25u, 6u and 7u). What if the 4 shorter ones are added to the existing orange spacebar kit? In a way, that would help with the MOQ too. Hopefully anyone thinking to pick up the additional spacebar kit would like to have more options.
There are definitely people who will jump in just for the extra spacebars. Separating spacebars from the smaller keys will make the kits probably impossible to tip. Also despite these will be sold other MD its still is a GROUP BUY, which means you have to carry each other to achieve a goal (in this case getting items you want). This is nothing for selfish people. The participant have to accept to buy some keys they dont need, because either there is no possibility to get these.
In that matter it would be wise to merge orange spacebars and blue spacebars, for the purpose to make those tip. But i let it be for this time.
Post by: krisst on Sun, 19 February 2017, 13:17:21
I wonder if there is a need for a separate blue spacebar kit especially since the base set already have the 3 longer spacebars (6.25u, 6u and 7u). What if the 4 shorter ones are added to the existing orange spacebar kit? In a way, that would help with the MOQ too. Hopefully anyone thinking to pick up the additional spacebar kit would like to have more options.
There are definitely people who will jump in just for the extra spacebars. Separating spacebars from the smaller keys will make the kits probably impossible to tip. Also despite these will be sold other MD its still is a GROUP BUY, which means you have to carry each other to achieve a goal (in this case getting items you want). This is nothing for selfish people. The participant have to accept to buy some keys they dont need, because either there is no possibility to get these.
In that matter it would be wise to merge orange spacebars and blue spacebars, for the purpose to make those tip. But i let it be for this time.
Yup, agree. As it stands now, there will be duplicate of 3 alpha colour spacebars (6.25u, 6u and 7u) in the blue spacebar kit which also exist in the base kit. Which is why I suggest adding those 4 smaller alpha colour spacebars (1.75u, 2u, 2.25u and 2.75u) to the orange spacebar kit. Make it less kits.
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 19 February 2017, 13:19:19
You people have to keep in mind doing suggestions, that every kit (except the international kit) will have moq of 150. It costs me only my time to introduce new kits. Anyway i think doing so, i need to consider if its worth doing it. Right now i cant say anything about the colemak and dvorak kit, but in my opinion they deserve a try. Honestly, for me the most important thing is the base set. Everything else is nice to have and is very welcome. I deeply hope everything tips and everyone get the set and the kits he wants to get.
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
DAYYUMMM ALL NON-QWERTY USER MUST LOOK AT THIS ADD-ON!
I never tempted at GMK because I use Colemak and never bother to ask because the MOQ (I look at Yuri because Cyrillic = handsome blanks).
But maybe The Great T0mb3ry could change it all! :p
Post by: srang on Sun, 19 February 2017, 14:04:39
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 14:13:16
Post by: srang on Sun, 19 February 2017, 14:17:21
I'll look into it, merging only the small spacebars. What means the big blue spacebars will not be available. So if everybody is cool with it...Well they would still be available in the base kit right? And I only meant that if other add one aren't tipping, then it might make sense to combine them.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 19 February 2017, 14:31:26
I'll look into it, merging only the small spacebars. What means the big blue spacebars will not be available. So if everybody is cool with it...Well they would still be available in the base kit right? And I only meant that if other add one aren't tipping, then it might make sense to combine them.
Of course the blue spacebars will be still available in the base kit.
Post by: ricyuyc on Sun, 19 February 2017, 18:10:20
You people have to keep in mind doing suggestions, that every kit (except the international kit) will have moq of 150. It costs me only my time to introduce new kits. Anyway i think doing so, i need to consider if its worth doing it. Right now i cant say anything about the colemak and dvorak kit, but in my opinion they deserve a try. Honestly, for me the most important thing is the base set. Everything else is nice to have and is very welcome. I deeply hope everything tips and everyone get the set and the kits he wants to get.WOW, I am in and no return :thumb:
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
Post by: hhkbp2 on Sun, 19 February 2017, 22:20:13
Definitely join in due to the first keyset with DC kit of GMK profile.
Post by: nugglets on Sun, 19 February 2017, 22:30:01
Post by: palindrome on Mon, 20 February 2017, 00:44:24
Post by: My_Thoughts on Mon, 20 February 2017, 03:55:43
Post by: ehmlis on Mon, 20 February 2017, 04:41:45
Post by: SlashCamp on Mon, 20 February 2017, 05:59:18
Post by: ЫъГЬ on Mon, 20 February 2017, 07:14:20
On the matter of sublegends, double quote mark (") is also missing from 2, but at least it's not an error.
Post by: need on Mon, 20 February 2017, 08:15:26
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 20 February 2017, 11:25:42
I just noticed Cyrillic Kit has ? on 8 key and not 7. Why is that? Is it just a rendering error, or it's actually going to be produced like that?
On the matter of sublegends, double quote mark (") is also missing from 2, but at least it's not an error.
My bad, its an error. I will correct this with next update. Thanks for the catch :)
Post by: Sneaky Potato on Mon, 20 February 2017, 11:56:51
You people have to keep in mind doing suggestions, that every kit (except the international kit) will have moq of 150. It costs me only my time to introduce new kits. Anyway i think doing so, i need to consider if its worth doing it. Right now i cant say anything about the colemak and dvorak kit, but in my opinion they deserve a try. Honestly, for me the most important thing is the base set. Everything else is nice to have and is very welcome. I deeply hope everything tips and everyone get the set and the kits he wants to get.
As mentioned before Base set will be its own drop. After Base set shows some impressive numbers other kits will be unlocked.... Either if Base set does not that well, then there is no sense to offer other kits, as these will not tip.
First page has been updated.
New kits:
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/l7JFxUv.png)
Blue spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/ybhcX8V.png)
Love the split spacebar stuff, count me in!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 20 February 2017, 12:49:42
Corrections:
Cyrillic kit
(http://i.imgur.com/BtmUKuT.png)
Spacebar kit
(http://i.imgur.com/XbdDwI4.png)
Post by: Meitachi on Mon, 20 February 2017, 13:19:39
Front page has been updated.
Corrections:
Cyrillic kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/BtmUKuT.png)
Spacebar kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/XbdDwI4.png)
Wow, count me in for the spacebar kit! I love the pop of the color.
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 20 February 2017, 18:28:18
Post by: Theconejo on Mon, 20 February 2017, 20:58:52
I'm actually really excited even though it's not for me!!!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 February 2017, 15:34:27
Following Letters has been tweaked:
Ц - got more slick tail
Щ - got more slick tail
Ф - taller and wider (same width as Ш for example)
У - is now taller
Those tweaks were made to make legends appear properly side by side (dimensions) in cyrillic layout for a human eye.
Here something to compare:
old alphabet:
(http://i.imgur.com/bv8RrWn.png)
new alphabet:
(http://i.imgur.com/NCn0u2H.png)
Old cyrillic kit (note У and Ф appear small next to other keys):
(http://i.imgur.com/BtmUKuT.png)
New cyrillic kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/UIxacQk.png)
and of course Ц and Щ got sexy back ;)
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 21 February 2017, 15:49:04
Cyrillics update.Ф стала сильно круглее) вспоминаются дары смерти из Гарри Поттера
Following Letters has been tweaked:
Ц - got more slick tail
Щ - got more slick tail
Ф - taller and wider (same width as Ш for example)
У - is now taller
Those tweaks were made to appear properly side by side (dimensions) in cyrillic layout for a human eye.
Here something to compare:
old alphabet:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bv8RrWn.png)
new alphabet:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NCn0u2H.png)
Old cyrillic kit (note У and Ф appear small next to other keys):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/BtmUKuT.png)
New cyrillic kit:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UIxacQk.png)
and of course Ц and Щ got sexy back ;)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 21 February 2017, 15:54:16
Ф стала сильно круглее) вспоминаются дары смерти из Гарри Поттера
Да но сеичас Ф более вписывается во всю картину. До этого она была коротышкои. Ну и Ф сама по себе экзотическая форма по сравнению с другими буквами :)
Post by: StarPupil on Wed, 22 February 2017, 16:36:58
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 22 February 2017, 16:40:00
This has probably been answered before, but does the Cyrillic kit have deep dish or barred homing keys? I don't see either in the render, but considering that the deep dish F and J keys in the base kit are identical to those around them as far as I can tell, it might just be me missing something.
That is a good question. As you can see there is no bared homing keys, so the homing keys are deep dish (A and O). Probably i have to add bared homing keys.
Post by: Komatoz on Thu, 23 February 2017, 05:34:08
:D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 February 2017, 11:01:49
Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
Post by: johuu on Thu, 23 February 2017, 11:14:27
Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
12th April would be perfect (12.4.1961 first space flight). :D
Post by: srang on Thu, 23 February 2017, 12:00:36
This ^ times a million. That would be so cool!!!Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
12th April would be perfect (12.4.1961 first space flight). :D
Post by: Sempre on Thu, 23 February 2017, 12:57:27
This ^ times a million. That would be so cool!!!Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
12th April would be perfect (12.4.1961 first space flight). :D
It would be cooler if that was the delivery date for all gb members simultaneously
Post by: Meitachi on Thu, 23 February 2017, 13:18:20
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 23 February 2017, 17:22:34
Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
12th April would be perfect (12.4.1961 first space flight). :D
Hope Yuri can get a spot for that date ;)
By the way do you remember jamods? It will drops somewhere in March :)
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 23 February 2017, 18:29:14
By the way do you remember jamods? It will drops somewhere in March :)
I remember! Shame the "leaf" icon had to get scrapped haha. Glad to hear it'll drop in March though, hopefully there's another cool set coming in until then after Plum ends now - hoping for Mito's Neon or McG's Miami Dolch, or Laser!
Post by: Komatoz on Fri, 24 February 2017, 07:36:14
Any estimate on when this will drop?Probably April.
:D
Oh thank god.
Enough time for my wallet to recover from all the other GMk sets <3
Post by: autobot on Sat, 25 February 2017, 08:09:09
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 February 2017, 08:11:09
Post by: autobot on Sat, 25 February 2017, 08:24:52
Doubleshot
Nice, the kit will look hot with the icon mods kit!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 25 February 2017, 08:42:17
Doubleshot
Nice, the kit will look hot with the icon mods kit!
Only buying the cyrillics, icon mods and spacebars (because you will need those), you will still missing some keys like Alt/Controls (for 60%) and arrows/f-row (for tkl). However you can cover a 60% board with several novelty kits, because those got the needed 1.25u row 4 keys.
Post by: autobot on Sat, 25 February 2017, 09:07:51
Typing on switches directly hurts! :D
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 February 2017, 09:51:47
Only buying the cyrillics, icon mods and spacebars (because you will need those), you will still missing some keys like Alt/Controls (for 60%) and arrows/f-row (for tkl). However you can cover a 60% board with several novelty kits, because those got the needed 1.25u row 4 keys.
Yea that's what I'm gonna be doing for my Exent, Cyrillic with icon mods, novelties and the glorious kit for the remainder of the modifier keys that aren't covered by icons - gonna look sick.
Any rough idea on Cyrillic pricing yet? Probably not right?
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 25 February 2017, 10:29:19
Doubleshot
Nice, the kit will look hot with the icon mods kit!
Only buying the cyrillics, icon mods and spacebars (because you will need those), you will still missing some keys like Alt/Controls (for 60%) and arrows/f-row (for tkl). However you can cover a 60% board with several novelty kits, because those got the needed 1.25u row 4 keys.
It still missed some numrow
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 25 February 2017, 10:46:10
It still missed some numrow
Indeed. All the kits are based around the base kit. The only case in which you can avoid buying base set is the cyrillic planck.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 February 2017, 10:57:56
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 25 February 2017, 11:01:04
Oh **** yea, good point, hadn't even realised it didn't have a full num row. All good, I'm sure I'll find a use for the Latin alphas/text mods that the base kit has somewhere!
Honestly i think about adding "missing" keys into icon mods and cyrillics. Its just a few caps but they would encourage people, who want just the cyrillics or icon mods to mix with other sets, to participate. Thus enhance the chance for these niche kits to tip.
Post by: pomk on Sat, 25 February 2017, 11:17:05
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 February 2017, 12:06:46
Oh **** yea, good point, hadn't even realised it didn't have a full num row. All good, I'm sure I'll find a use for the Latin alphas/text mods that the base kit has somewhere!
Honestly i think about adding "missing" keys into icon mods and cyrillics. Its just a few caps but they would encourage people, who want just the cyrillics or icon mods to mix with other sets, to participate. Thus enhance the chance for these niche kits to tip.
That would help a lot I feel, a lot of people have just 60 and 40% keyboards that will do just fine with the setup you suggested - adding the missing kids into mods/cyrillic will for sure drive up sales a fair amount.
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 25 February 2017, 22:36:55
Oh **** yea, good point, hadn't even realised it didn't have a full num row. All good, I'm sure I'll find a use for the Latin alphas/text mods that the base kit has somewhere!
Honestly i think about adding "missing" keys into icon mods and cyrillics. Its just a few caps but they would encourage people, who want just the cyrillics or icon mods to mix with other sets, to participate. Thus enhance the chance for these niche kits to tip.
Dude that's awesome decision. Icon mod, Cyrillic, 2u convex, COLEMAK, and now complete icon and Cyrillic. You know, at first I just wanna get Cyrillic + DoxOrtho for my Planck and now I wanna get them ALL :-\
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 25 February 2017, 23:12:59
Oh **** yea, good point, hadn't even realised it didn't have a full num row. All good, I'm sure I'll find a use for the Latin alphas/text mods that the base kit has somewhere!
Honestly i think about adding "missing" keys into icon mods and cyrillics. Its just a few caps but they would encourage people, who want just the cyrillics or icon mods to mix with other sets, to participate. Thus enhance the chance for these niche kits to tip.
Dude that's awesome decision. Icon mod, Cyrillic, 2u convex, COLEMAK, and now complete icon and Cyrillic. You know, at first I just wanna get Cyrillic + DoxOrtho for my Planck and now I wanna get them ALL :-\
I think this set will hold it's value quite well, so if you are on the fence I say go for it! It's like an investment lol.
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 26 February 2017, 01:05:27
Post by: ChitownM2 on Sun, 26 February 2017, 22:14:48
Any ideas on pricing for the base and the other kits? I might need 2 base kits ;D to go with all of the child kits....
Post by: owacle on Sun, 26 February 2017, 22:21:50
Post by: P1kas on Sun, 26 February 2017, 23:17:29
Post by: ski_ on Sun, 26 February 2017, 23:26:50
May I assume I'll see a note on here when this goes live for a GB?
I have only done GBs on Massdrop before...
Is there a limit to how many will be produced?
Post by: maximm on Mon, 27 February 2017, 03:41:55
Oh **** yea, good point, hadn't even realised it didn't have a full num row. All good, I'm sure I'll find a use for the Latin alphas/text mods that the base kit has somewhere!
Honestly i think about adding "missing" keys into icon mods and cyrillics. Its just a few caps but they would encourage people, who want just the cyrillics or icon mods to mix with other sets, to participate. Thus enhance the chance for these niche kits to tip.
Do it! Most people wont mind a few duplicate keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 February 2017, 04:16:46
May I suggest you make the ctrl alt and code on icon too? I know it never happen on GMK but I think this is the chance for them to have the mold.
This is a good suggestion. I was almost ready to make it. However making just the Control and Alt as icons will also require making other keys as icon mods. For example "pg up" and "pg dn". Though it will work just fine for 60%. I guess more people prefer just "Control" and "Alt" keys as they are always sold with icon mods.
In general it must be done someday but properly. Say all modifers has to be turned into icons. Probably if Skully has plans for a GMK Modern Selectric.
Do it! :thumb:
Do it! Most people wont mind a few duplicate keys.Reading these both comments, i think about a meme.....
I'll do it! ;)
Post by: pomk on Mon, 27 February 2017, 06:30:47
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 27 February 2017, 07:51:42
Speaking of 60, there are 4 modifiers that don't have icon only yet: control, alt, code (yes there's winkey but..), and escape. Tab, shift, enter, backspace, menu and capslock already have icon only. I recommend following Granite icon mod for reference, which use meta icon (◇) for winkey/code and mac-style control (⌃) for simpler design approach.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 27 February 2017, 08:43:45
Post by: Cropzy on Mon, 27 February 2017, 09:12:06
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 27 February 2017, 09:21:38
Yeah at the end of the day having all modifier on icon is comforting. But I think we can do it step by step. If Yuri provide at least to cover 60 for now, the next keyset only need another some more to cover the TKL and we are done.
Speaking of 60, there are 4 modifiers that don't have icon only yet: control, alt, code (yes there's winkey but..), and escape. Tab, shift, enter, backspace, menu and capslock already have icon only. I recommend following Granite icon mod for reference, which use meta icon (◇) for winkey/code and mac-style control (⌃) for simpler design approach.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 27 February 2017, 09:32:06
(yes there's winkey but..)For this set the winkey is the way to go IMO as the cyrillic layout used in the set is the so called 'Windows' layout anyway. Apple uses another layout for its devices afaik.
edit: see: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLA22RU/A/magic-keyboard-russian
Post by: ehmlis on Mon, 27 February 2017, 10:46:16
(yes there's winkey but..)For this set the winkey is the way to go IMO as the cyrillic layout used in the set is the so called 'Windows' layout anyway. Apple uses another layout for its devices afaik.
edit: see: http://www.apple.com/shop/product/MLA22RU/A/magic-keyboard-russian
As far as I can tell, the only real differences between the Standard Russian Mac layout and the Windows layout are the punctuation and the letter Ё. I may be biased, because I don't like the look of winkeys, but I don't think the punctuation difference warrants the scrapping of potential OS neutral keys, and IIRC you can change the Russian software layout on a Mac to behave just like the Windows one.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 27 February 2017, 10:49:29
Post by: ehmlis on Mon, 27 February 2017, 10:54:01
Edit: When I said punctuation, I forgot to include the other differences in the numrow, I meant those as well.
Post by: pomk on Mon, 27 February 2017, 10:54:53
Post by: ehmlis on Mon, 27 February 2017, 10:58:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 February 2017, 13:37:08
Base kit
- ISO DE (><| and '#) keys have been moved to international kit instead added an |\ key for row 4 as filler for pseudo iso. In short you want a proper ISO? Get the international kit and support your ISO fellows!
(http://i.imgur.com/s80Dv9d.png)
Cyrillic kit
- Added missing number keys. Now it is possible avoid base set for making cyrillic ergodox, plank or 60% board with icon mods. Keep in mind all the child deals will be unlocked only after base kit shows some impressive numbers!
(http://i.imgur.com/A347G5o.png)
International kit
- Migrated missing ISO DE keys (><| and '#) from base kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/98OEphv.png)
Icon mods kit
- Added escape keys and bottom row keys (alt, fn, control, etc...) as icons. It is now possible to avoid base set and cover a cyrillic 60% board with icon mods.
(http://i.imgur.com/ywnwR2s.png)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 27 February 2017, 13:52:58
Quote
Keep in mind all the child deals will be unlocked only after base kit shows some impressive numbers!
what does that mean? once base set meets MOQ? 500? 1000? what is the number?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 February 2017, 14:14:38
QuoteKeep in mind all the child deals will be unlocked only after base kit shows some impressive numbers!
what does that mean? once base set meets MOQ? 500? 1000? what is the number?
Certain amount of sold base kits after cerain amount of time. Its the same as it was done with plum. The child deals for plum were unlocked after 24 hours the base kit has been released.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 27 February 2017, 14:41:03
Certain amount of sold base kits after cerain amount of time. Its the same as it was done with plum. The child deals for plum were unlocked after 24 hours the base kit has been released.
Yea if it's the same amount as Plum or even a little bit more I'm sure it'll unlock within a day at the very most once again - it's a good plan and thank you for adjusting the kits, the changes you made are very considerate and they'll surely help the Cyrillic and icon mod kits see the success they deserve.
Post by: poolside on Mon, 27 February 2017, 14:53:42
Front page has been updated.
Base kit
- ISO DE (><| and '#) keys have been moved to international kit instead added an |\ key for row 4 as filler for pseudo iso. In short you want a proper ISO? Get the international kit and support your ISO fellows!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/s80Dv9d.png)
More
Quote
Show Image(http://]http://)Nothing to see here, just wondering why the smileys seem to sometimes refuse to display properly.
Yeah! What a pleasant surprise! :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
International kit
- Migrated missing ISO DE keys (><| and '#) from base kit.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/98OEphv.png)
The International kit render still shows one of these R4 \| keycaps that you have added to the Base kit.
Icon mods kit
- Added escape keys and bottom row keys (alt, fn, control, etc...) as icons. It is now possible to avoid base set and cover a cyrillic 60% board with icon mods.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ywnwR2s.png)
I like some diamonds! :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 February 2017, 15:15:34
The International kit render still shows one of these R4 \| keycaps that you have added to the Base kit.
Yeah i need to take it out of base kit or replace it with just a blank. Thanks for the catch :thumb:
Post by: megaforce on Mon, 27 February 2017, 16:16:03
Post by: poolside on Mon, 27 February 2017, 16:30:55
The International kit render still shows one of these R4 \| keycaps that you have added to the Base kit.
Yeah i need to take it out of base kit or replace it with just a blank. Thanks for the catch :thumb:
Don't you mean taking that duplicate out of the Intl kit instead? The base kit is going to keep its two R3 and R4 \| keycaps, right?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 27 February 2017, 16:36:59
The International kit render still shows one of these R4 \| keycaps that you have added to the Base kit.
Yeah i need to take it out of base kit or replace it with just a blank. Thanks for the catch :thumb:
Don't you mean taking that duplicate out of the Intl kit instead? The base kit is going to keep its two R3 and R4 \| keycaps, right?
Yeah then either way. Its quite odd having that key for row 3 and 4 but anyway atleast its not dupplicated in intl kit.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Mon, 27 February 2017, 17:08:14
Post by: ricyuyc on Mon, 27 February 2017, 17:37:55
I don't know if this has been talked about at all, but is there any possibility that the hhkb backspace that is part of the icon mod kit can be changed to the simple right arrow? It matches the other backspace icons and looks much cleaner than the other chunky, blocky backspace that is in the renders right now IMO.why not have them both? There may be some ppl like me would love to have the boxed icon backspace, that still not easy to get with
Post by: poolside on Mon, 27 February 2017, 17:39:44
The International kit render still shows one of these R4 \| keycaps that you have added to the Base kit.
Yeah i need to take it out of base kit or replace it with just a blank. Thanks for the catch :thumb:
Don't you mean taking that duplicate out of the Intl kit instead? The base kit is going to keep its two R3 and R4 \| keycaps, right?
Yeah then either way. Its quite odd having that key for row 3 and 4 but anyway atleast its not dupplicated in intl kit.
Great! :)
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 27 February 2017, 22:08:33
Icon mods kit
- Added escape keys and bottom row keys (alt, fn, control, etc...) as icons. It is now possible to avoid base set and cover a cyrillic 60% board with icon mods.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ywnwR2s.png)
So we are going Modern Selectric approach for the icon?
Personally I prefer the Granite icon because they represent the meaning more universal.
⎋ for escape
⌥ for Alt
⋀ for Control
◇ for meta/super/win/cmd
[attachimg=1] for menu (or use current GMK menu)
layer icon for function
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[attachimg=3]
[attachimg=4]
More info is here http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html
If you keep prefer the Modern Selectric approach, I suggest make the proportion to balance each other more. The triangle and circle is looks bigger because it have filling although they may have the same height with the others. But again, I prefer the more universal icon like Granite did :)
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 27 February 2017, 22:14:28
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 28 February 2017, 16:09:20
International kit
- "/|" key has been removed. Its available in base kit as filler for iso.
(http://i.imgur.com/6rtO1BL.png)
Icon mods kit
- Added new icons in close cherry font style (see escape and alt keys)
- There will be no os specific keys.
- HHKB Backspace is now just an back arrow.
(http://i.imgur.com/lrKNDZ4.png)
Post by: imprevade on Tue, 28 February 2017, 16:16:24
Post by: ehmlis on Tue, 28 February 2017, 17:11:37
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 28 February 2017, 17:26:29
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 28 February 2017, 17:46:47
International kit in plum, ordered only 36 people, shame. But disputes in each IC so much
Its always like this. You know hype does not cost a penny. Same for votes etc. There is like no constants there you can predict the outcome. Anyway its better to give atleast the opportunity :)
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 28 February 2017, 17:48:44
Post by: ideus on Tue, 28 February 2017, 17:56:08
Post by: rm-rf on Wed, 01 March 2017, 03:16:35
(http://i.imgur.com/DQNIajy.jpg?1)
Post by: Che.R.Ry on Wed, 01 March 2017, 03:43:29
Post by: pomk on Wed, 01 March 2017, 03:54:11
I was charged for the plum international kit. :pInternational kit in plum, ordered only 36 people, shame. But disputes in each IC so much
Its always like this. You know hype does not cost a penny. Same for votes etc. There is like no constants there you can predict the outcome. Anyway its better to give atleast the opportunity :)
Lets hope that YURI makes it too :thumb:
Post by: Krakob on Wed, 01 March 2017, 05:16:23
First page has been updated.
International kit
- "/|" key has been removed. Its available in base kit as filler for iso.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6rtO1BL.png)
Icon mods kit
- Added new icons in close cherry font style (see escape and alt keys)
- There will be no os specific keys.
- HHKB Backspace is now just an back arrow.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lrKNDZ4.png)
Are those icon modifiers double shot?
Post by: mathiasn on Wed, 01 March 2017, 07:57:36
International kit in plum, ordered only 36 people, shame. But disputes in each IC so much
Its always like this. You know hype does not cost a penny. Same for votes etc. There is like no constants there you can predict the outcome. Anyway its better to give atleast the opportunity :)
Can you shed some light on the Carbon International Massdrop?
From all I can see, this was ordered only 68 times
(I received mine in good order, so thank you T0mb3ry and MD).
Did Massdrop stock the additional ones to reach MOQ?
I see it's really difficult to get enough International interest (e.g. Terminal or Plum).
How's not reaching the "International" MOQ to be handled for YURI?
Post by: mniels on Wed, 01 March 2017, 08:27:13
Post by: colbs on Wed, 01 March 2017, 08:36:20
Post by: thad on Wed, 01 March 2017, 08:45:06
Does anyone have any plans for builds (layout, case color/material, plate, lighting, etc.) using Yuri they would like to share? I know I am going to buy this set, but I am struggling to decide on the keyboard to build around the keycaps, as the colorway is so unique. I am hoping you fine folks can provide me with some inspiration!
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
Post by: colbs on Wed, 01 March 2017, 08:54:27
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
I am thinking I will probably put in on a 60% as well, but I am torn on if I want to switch the plate and case to better match the set. I normally just do silver or black plates and cases, but I can't picture whether yuri will look good with those...that pale blue for the alphas is really lovely, but I don't know what color case/plate it would look best with.
P.S. good luck on getting into the Lightsaver, that board looks really sweet!
Post by: kmba on Wed, 01 March 2017, 10:04:32
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 01 March 2017, 10:39:49
Does anyone have any plans for builds (layout, case color/material, plate, lighting, etc.) using Yuri they would like to share? I know I am going to buy this set, but I am struggling to decide on the keyboard to build around the keycaps, as the colorway is so unique. I am hoping you fine folks can provide me with some inspiration!
With black (look at all mockups on black background), gray and silver you cant go wrong. But if you want a perfect build you need to go for matching color combos for case, plate and optionaly for other parts like middle piece (for example Revo D keyboard has a middle piace).
I've ordered Revo D keyboard in custom colors (matched for Yuri). Deep blue top and bottom pieces. Oragne plate and middle piece. In my opinion light blue would be superior but its already something to start with.
International kit in plum, ordered only 36 people, shame. But disputes in each IC so much
Its always like this. You know hype does not cost a penny. Same for votes etc. There is like no constants there you can predict the outcome. Anyway its better to give atleast the opportunity :)
Can you shed some light on the Carbon International Massdrop?
From all I can see, this was ordered only 68 times
(I received mine in good order, so thank you T0mb3ry and MD).
Did Massdrop stock the additional ones to reach MOC?
I see it's really difficult to get enough International interest (e.g. Terminal or Plum).
How's not reaching the "International" MOC to be handled for YURI?
I cant promisse Yuri's Intl kit to tip. Plum's and Carbon's intl kit tipping was more of effort of GMK and Massdrop for wich ISO users (who participated) can be thankfull.
Keep in mind GMK makes an exception for intl kit which has always moq of 100 compared to 150. That displays how friendly GMK is towards ISO community.
In the end the intl kit depends on ISO participants. If Massdrop steps into, i cant promisse too. Better hope for ISO community to expand.
First page has been updated.
International kit
- "/|" key has been removed. Its available in base kit as filler for iso.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6rtO1BL.png)
Icon mods kit
- Added new icons in close cherry font style (see escape and alt keys)
- There will be no os specific keys.
- HHKB Backspace is now just an back arrow.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lrKNDZ4.png)
Are those icon modifiers double shot?
Everything is doubleshot, except "SysRq" and "Break" frontprints in base set, which i've forgot to add :/
please... please do not remove this icon.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DQNIajy.jpg?1)
I'll look into it. Keep in mind that icon looks little bit weird because it seems to look off center (which is actually is not but the weight of the icon leans towards one side stronger).
Post by: imprevade on Wed, 01 March 2017, 11:23:08
please... please do not remove this icon.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/DQNIajy.jpg?1)
I'll look into it. Keep in mind that icon looks little bit weird because it seems to look off center (which is actually is not but the weight of the icon leans towards one side stronger).
That's why you place the icon in the visual center, and not the actual center. ;)
Post by: HerrGartenzwerg on Wed, 01 March 2017, 14:23:37
Im not a big fan of the orange color choice.. but if the international kit will be produced, Im definetely in!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 01 March 2017, 17:53:32
after a conversation with a member "jebbra" i've decided to revisit the symbols for alt, control, fn, super and escape keys. Jebbra pointed out, since he is a big fan of icons, that the symbols should have the same left alignment as other keys. Also the size btw the scale of icons should match other keys. In that case i agree with jebbra. So kudos to jebbra for pointing that out and taking actively part in that IC. I appreciate it :)
First picture is made to display how the new icons complement each other in case of dimensions and angles. The thickness of each line is approximate the same width as the line of the arrows on a real gmk key (it was scanned before).
(http://i.imgur.com/6gJBzLJ.png)
Now the icon mods kit using the new icons. Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller, as it has the shape of a rectangle, than my mockups.
(http://i.imgur.com/uSEBxNb.png)
Post by: thad on Wed, 01 March 2017, 17:59:06
Post by: ricyuyc on Wed, 01 March 2017, 18:25:39
Hey hey,For 1u mods, I think the icons (not punctuation) in center alignment would look better, then align the left indent on other 1.25 and other length icon mods to inline with 1u
after a conversation with a member "jebbra" i've decided to revisit the symbols for alt, control, fn, super and escape keys. Jebbra pointed out, since he is a big fan of icons, that the symbols should have the same left alignment as other keys. Also the size btw the scale of icons should match other keys. In that case i agree with jebbra. So kudos to jebbra for pointing that out and taking actively part in that IC. I appreciate it :)
First picture is made to display how the new icons complement each other in case of dimensions and angles. The thickness of each line is approximate the same width as the line of the arrows on a real gmk key (it was scanned before).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6gJBzLJ.png)
Now the icon mods kit using the new icons. Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller, as it has the shape of a rectangle, than my mockups.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSEBxNb.png)
Post by: ehmlis on Wed, 01 March 2017, 18:31:55
+1Hey hey,For 1u mods, I think the icons (not punctuation) in center alignment would look better, then align the left indent on other 1.25 and other length icon mods to inline with 1u
after a conversation with a member "jebbra" i've decided to revisit the symbols for alt, control, fn, super and escape keys. Jebbra pointed out, since he is a big fan of icons, that the symbols should have the same left alignment as other keys. Also the size btw the scale of icons should match other keys. In that case i agree with jebbra. So kudos to jebbra for pointing that out and taking actively part in that IC. I appreciate it :)
First picture is made to display how the new icons complement each other in case of dimensions and angles. The thickness of each line is approximate the same width as the line of the arrows on a real gmk key (it was scanned before).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6gJBzLJ.png)
Now the icon mods kit using the new icons. Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller, as it has the shape of a rectangle, than my mockups.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSEBxNb.png)
I saw another thing, the arrows on the tab key in the icon mod kit don't match. Is it supposed to look like that?
Everything else is looking good!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 02 March 2017, 00:03:12
+1Hey hey,For 1u mods, I think the icons (not punctuation) in center alignment would look better, then align the left indent on other 1.25 and other length icon mods to inline with 1u
after a conversation with a member "jebbra" i've decided to revisit the symbols for alt, control, fn, super and escape keys. Jebbra pointed out, since he is a big fan of icons, that the symbols should have the same left alignment as other keys. Also the size btw the scale of icons should match other keys. In that case i agree with jebbra. So kudos to jebbra for pointing that out and taking actively part in that IC. I appreciate it :)
First picture is made to display how the new icons complement each other in case of dimensions and angles. The thickness of each line is approximate the same width as the line of the arrows on a real gmk key (it was scanned before).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6gJBzLJ.png)
Now the icon mods kit using the new icons. Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller, as it has the shape of a rectangle, than my mockups.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSEBxNb.png)
I saw another thing, the arrows on the tab key in the icon mod kit don't match. Is it supposed to look like that?
Everything else is looking good!
Ignore other symbols, these are just for display which key it is. If i start to replicate each cherry symbol.... You know it will take some time :))
The only keys you should look for are with the new symbols.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 08:56:31
Let's see:
Layout compatibility? Done!
Cyrillic font in double-shot painstakingly worked to perfect the font? Done!
Custom colors vetted, ordered, discussed, and still rethought? Done!
Other detals too numerous to mention? Done!
The work is impeccable, what else is there? :p
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 02 March 2017, 14:07:10
Time? Time?! There is no such thing. The time for Yuri is now, pls. >:D
Let's see:
Layout compatibility? Done!
Cyrillic font in double-shot painstakingly worked to perfect the font? Done!
Custom colors vetted, ordered, discussed, and still rethought? Done!
Other detals too numerous to mention? Done!
The work is impeccable, what else is there? :p
hype. all is for nothing if the masses do not buy
Post by: Meitachi on Thu, 02 March 2017, 14:13:44
Time? Time?! There is no such thing. The time for Yuri is now, pls. >:D
Let's see:
Layout compatibility? Done!
Cyrillic font in double-shot painstakingly worked to perfect the font? Done!
Custom colors vetted, ordered, discussed, and still rethought? Done!
Other detals too numerous to mention? Done!
The work is impeccable, what else is there? :p
hype. all is for nothing if the masses do not buy
So very true. Gotta put your money where your mouth is. Or, in this case, where your posts are.
Post by: ideus on Thu, 02 March 2017, 14:22:46
Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller,
Are they taller than regular GMK key caps? Or you meant it just as a clarification on your renders.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 02 March 2017, 17:57:34
Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller,
Are they taller than regular GMK key caps? Or you meant it just as a clarification on your renders.
Its just clarification for my mockups. Everyone should take those with grain of salt, since those have purpose to display only the kit content. And previously i wanted just to point out that the keys (irl) are slightly taller than displayed in my mockups.
Post by: satricion on Thu, 02 March 2017, 18:53:18
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
I am thinking I will probably put in on a 60% as well, but I am torn on if I want to switch the plate and case to better match the set. I normally just do silver or black plates and cases, but I can't picture whether yuri will look good with those...that pale blue for the alphas is really lovely, but I don't know what color case/plate it would look best with.
I think that it's always safest to go for a more low key colour on the case and plate if you're going to use a set like this. It's very hard to match colours with the colours in the set as well without the board looking too bright. I would go for a black or perhaps a grey base, lowkey plate, and then this on top.
Post by: colbs on Thu, 02 March 2017, 19:04:39
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
I am thinking I will probably put in on a 60% as well, but I am torn on if I want to switch the plate and case to better match the set. I normally just do silver or black plates and cases, but I can't picture whether yuri will look good with those...that pale blue for the alphas is really lovely, but I don't know what color case/plate it would look best with.
I think that it's always safest to go for a more low key colour on the case and plate if you're going to use a set like this. It's very hard to match colours with the colours in the set as well without the board looking too bright. I would go for a black or perhaps a grey base, lowkey plate, and then this on top.
Thanks for the input, I am inclined to agree with you and will probably put it in a black aluminum case. It might not match the keyset perfectly, but it certainly won't look bad. I also have a walnut datamancer with nothing in it, so I might just see how it looks there too. I don't know if that combo will look nice or not, but ya never know until you see it in person :)
Post by: satricion on Thu, 02 March 2017, 20:56:57
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
I am thinking I will probably put in on a 60% as well, but I am torn on if I want to switch the plate and case to better match the set. I normally just do silver or black plates and cases, but I can't picture whether yuri will look good with those...that pale blue for the alphas is really lovely, but I don't know what color case/plate it would look best with.
I think that it's always safest to go for a more low key colour on the case and plate if you're going to use a set like this. It's very hard to match colours with the colours in the set as well without the board looking too bright. I would go for a black or perhaps a grey base, lowkey plate, and then this on top.
Thanks for the input, I am inclined to agree with you and will probably put it in a black aluminum case. It might not match the keyset perfectly, but it certainly won't look bad. I also have a walnut datamancer with nothing in it, so I might just see how it looks there too. I don't know if that combo will look nice or not, but ya never know until you see it in person :)
A black case will go with anything. It's only when you move away from neutral colours like black, white, silver or grey that you're going to start clashing. So you might not get the exact effect you're looking for, but you know it won't clash. In other words, the keyset will definitely look good even if it's not the particular board you're after. Whereas if you try to match it with a case that has a strong colour then you can end up with it looking horrible, or just looking a bit too "loud" (although that might be my preference for more minimal colours talking there). :)
Post by: Meitachi on Fri, 03 March 2017, 11:53:11
I am hoping to get in on the Duck Lightsaver V3 and put this on it. If not, it will go on my Pok3r or QFR TKL.
I am thinking I will probably put in on a 60% as well, but I am torn on if I want to switch the plate and case to better match the set. I normally just do silver or black plates and cases, but I can't picture whether yuri will look good with those...that pale blue for the alphas is really lovely, but I don't know what color case/plate it would look best with.
I think that it's always safest to go for a more low key colour on the case and plate if you're going to use a set like this. It's very hard to match colours with the colours in the set as well without the board looking too bright. I would go for a black or perhaps a grey base, lowkey plate, and then this on top.
Thanks for the input, I am inclined to agree with you and will probably put it in a black aluminum case. It might not match the keyset perfectly, but it certainly won't look bad. I also have a walnut datamancer with nothing in it, so I might just see how it looks there too. I don't know if that combo will look nice or not, but ya never know until you see it in person :)
A black case will go with anything. It's only when you move away from neutral colours like black, white, silver or grey that you're going to start clashing. So you might not get the exact effect you're looking for, but you know it won't clash. In other words, the keyset will definitely look good even if it's not the particular board you're after. Whereas if you try to match it with a case that has a strong colour then you can end up with it looking horrible, or just looking a bit too "loud" (although that might be my preference for more minimal colours talking there). :)
Darn, I was hoping to make my first DIY keyboard with this keyset in mind. But reading your comment, I'm thinking finding a matching blue case could be really hard. I have a hard enough time matching my artisans sometimes (if they're not made for a keyset in mind), I could only imagine how annoying it would be having a slightly off case.
Post by: colbs on Fri, 03 March 2017, 12:04:44
Darn, I was hoping to make my first DIY keyboard with this keyset in mind. But reading your comment, I'm thinking finding a matching blue case could be really hard. I have a hard enough time matching my artisans sometimes (if they're not made for a keyset in mind), I could only imagine how annoying it would be having a slightly off case.
I was going to do a black aluminum case, but just ordered a space gray aluminum case off of ali, which I think will complement this keyset very nicely.
I agree that having a slightly mismatched case would be really annoying, so I decided to find something complementary rather than trying to match the colorway. Very hyped for this set to drop!
Post by: robbles on Fri, 03 March 2017, 18:42:23
Hey hey,
after a conversation with a member "jebbra" i've decided to revisit the symbols for alt, control, fn, super and escape keys. Jebbra pointed out, since he is a big fan of icons, that the symbols should have the same left alignment as other keys. Also the size btw the scale of icons should match other keys. In that case i agree with jebbra. So kudos to jebbra for pointing that out and taking actively part in that IC. I appreciate it :)
First picture is made to display how the new icons complement each other in case of dimensions and angles. The thickness of each line is approximate the same width as the line of the arrows on a real gmk key (it was scanned before).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6gJBzLJ.png)
Now the icon mods kit using the new icons. Now keep in mind the top surface of keycap is actually little bit taller, as it has the shape of a rectangle, than my mockups.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uSEBxNb.png)
Would it be possible to add a R3 ^ symbol control cap for HHKB layouts? This key is often overlooked in icon mod sets.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 04 March 2017, 02:01:13
Would it be possible to add a R3 ^ symbol control cap for HHKB layouts? This key is often overlooked in icon mod sets.
I was thinking about it some day already. I will look into that.
Post by: Weltschmerz on Sat, 04 March 2017, 06:58:27
Post by: krisst on Sat, 04 March 2017, 08:45:46
I've been loosely following this set for a while, totally dig the color scheme... but now that there's a possibility of having doubleshot cyrillic caps? If that happens I don't care how much it costs I am game
There is a cyrillic kit and it will be doubleshot.
Post by: jebbra on Sat, 04 March 2017, 09:38:50
[attachimg=1]
I don't have any icon GMK in my hand so I can't make the line thickness is the same as the enter and the others so I just can give the rough estimation of the size.
Post by: Theconejo on Sun, 05 March 2017, 21:13:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 06 March 2017, 11:10:07
Any updates on if/when this is happening? Seems like SP and GMK are totally bogged down.April.
In case of lead times, i have no clue. A longtime customer of GMK may step in and thus may delay the lead time and that is ok, since we are a niche markt.
Thank you t0mb3ry for taking my worries to your design consideration. I play with them a bit to tweak the proportion between each of them, I think we don't need to follow the sizing rule that way (having a bounding box and fit them all snugly), seems like it would be better if we use 'visual size' instead.
(Attachment Link)
I don't have any icon GMK in my hand so I can't make the line thickness is the same as the enter and the others so I just can give the rough estimation of the size.
I got Skidata+ which has icon mods. I'll map new icons next to existing icons and adjust them if needed.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 06 March 2017, 12:11:06
Post by: pixelpusher on Mon, 06 March 2017, 14:48:46
Any updates on if/when this is happening? Seems like SP and GMK are totally bogged down.April.
In case of lead times, i have no clue. A longtime customer of GMK may step in and thus may delay the lead time and that is ok, since we are a niche markt.Thank you t0mb3ry for taking my worries to your design consideration. I play with them a bit to tweak the proportion between each of them, I think we don't need to follow the sizing rule that way (having a bounding box and fit them all snugly), seems like it would be better if we use 'visual size' instead.
(Attachment Link)
I don't have any icon GMK in my hand so I can't make the line thickness is the same as the enter and the others so I just can give the rough estimation of the size.
I got Skidata+ which has icon mods. I'll map new icons next to existing icons and adjust them if needed.
Oh you do, eh? I guess when you're done with Skidata+ you can just send it to me. I mean, you're going to be busy with this GB, so you won't have time to properly use it. I'll just PM you my address...
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 08 March 2017, 00:40:53
Post by: renzpwns on Wed, 08 March 2017, 02:29:08
cannot wait for this set to be run alreadydefinitely not the only one who feels that way
Post by: Sissy on Wed, 08 March 2017, 06:52:30
cannot wait for this set to be run alreadyToo many great sets need to be on my keyboards already
Post by: autobot on Wed, 08 March 2017, 08:29:52
Too many great sets need to be on my keyboards already
No kidding, my list of sets to get is running a little long...Yuri, Dolch, Muted, Ocean Dolch, Laser, SNES...not to mention I'm eyeballing Norbauer CNC Alu Case R2...:eek:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 March 2017, 10:47:16
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.
(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
Post by: ChitownM2 on Wed, 08 March 2017, 12:56:11
Post by: ideus on Wed, 08 March 2017, 13:01:11
Hey hey!
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
Thicker lines on the proposed icons would match the current Cherry icons better, than the ones shown.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 08 March 2017, 13:01:34
can't wait for this! Any estimated date of when the GB will launch?
You could've scrolled up a couple posts.
April.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 08 March 2017, 14:52:09
Hey hey!Cool to see someone make some icon mods for the bottom row
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
I agree that they need to be thicker - the thickness on the enter arrow or the outline of the shift arrow would be ideal
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Post by: jebbra on Wed, 08 March 2017, 21:44:21
Hey hey!
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
LOOKIN GOOD! Although it looks like Alt icon is a tiny bit smaller compared to Super and Control. The Menu is a bit bigger too. But they're all come to your decision ;)
And yes just need to match the thickness :thumb:
Post by: ricyuyc on Wed, 08 March 2017, 21:54:08
Hey hey!would you consider to align the 1u icon mods in centre and other icon mods that on longer keys to have same left indent alignment?
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
[attach=1]
Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 08 March 2017, 22:49:21
This is quite clever idea!Hey hey!would you consider to align the 1u icon mods in centre and other icon mods that on longer keys to have same left indent alignment?
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
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Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 08 March 2017, 23:59:24
Hey hey!would you consider to align the 1u icon mods in centre and other icon mods that on longer keys to have same left indent alignment?
As promissed i've mapped new icons along with skidata icon mods to see how well they play together. And i'd like to share it with you.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/u6pyZmj.png)
In my opinion the lines need to be slightly thicker. I'll adjust it. But there it is. On Enter you can see ther i took the scale (the thin rectangle). Ignore that dust on the sides i was in hury :)
(Attachment Link)
I get you, but its about having the same alignment as all the existing keys. Sure i can consider making at least 1u keys centered.
Post by: bkw1209 on Thu, 09 March 2017, 06:46:52
I Can't waiting!!
Post by: srang on Thu, 09 March 2017, 07:17:43
So When start GB?Dude like 3 people have asked that on this page. April.
I Can't waiting!!
But I'll let it slide I'm excited too :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 13 March 2017, 15:27:08
Icons are reworked and boldier.
(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
Post by: thad on Mon, 13 March 2017, 15:28:21
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 13 March 2017, 15:40:19
Post by: Oblotzky on Mon, 13 March 2017, 15:40:44
Post by: need on Mon, 13 March 2017, 15:55:08
Post by: ideus on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:22:32
Another try...
Icons are reworked and boldier.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
It seems that you tried to use the same "blank" area for all the symbols. However, the diamond and the super symbols may look better if they were a bit smaller, don't you think?
Post by: srang on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:41:54
Post by: ehmlis on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:43:52
Another try...
Icons are reworked and boldier.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
It looks great, I'm really happy with how it turned out. Also +1 on the centered 1u legends.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:44:23
Another try...
Icons are reworked and boldier.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
It seems that you tried to use the same "blank" area for all the symbols. However, the diamond and the super symbols may look better if they were a bit smaller, don't you think?
Sure i can make those smaller. Though the diamond may get too small in width but i'll test it first. You are right with the same blanck area. Its a recangle and the symbols are applied by specific rules. Though the diamond is made little bit larger same like one do for letter O,S,I etc... By the way the symbols you've called are super (diamond) and menu... :) If not correct me please.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:49:06
Potentially dumb question but doesn't line thickness and shape size depend on the molds available?
What do you mean exactly? For those new symbols gmk needs to make new "legend molds". Probably you mean the limitation for doubleshot technique, then well too thin lines are not good. There are other limitations but i am sure these new symbols are doable without issues.
Post by: srang on Mon, 13 March 2017, 17:57:31
No I think I just missed that we were getting new molds for the symbols :)Potentially dumb question but doesn't line thickness and shape size depend on the molds available?
What do you mean exactly? For those new symbols gmk needs to make new "legend molds". Probably you mean the limitation for doubleshot technique, then well too thin lines are not good. There are other limitations but i am sure these new symbols are doable without issues.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 13 March 2017, 18:17:04
Another try...
Icons are reworked and boldier.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
It seems that you tried to use the same "blank" area for all the symbols. However, the diamond and the super symbols may look better if they were a bit smaller, don't you think?
Sure i can make those smaller. Though the diamond may get too small in width but i'll test it first. You are right with the same blanck area. Its a recangle and the symbols are applied by specific rules. Though the diamond is made little bit larger same like one do for letter O,S,I etc... By the way the symbols you've called are super (diamond) and menu... :) If not correct me please.
They look good, already. I am pretty sure they will look even better in real life. Good job!
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 00:18:01
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 14 March 2017, 00:21:04
Nice job bud :thumb:
For the 1u centered, ricyuyci's idea is neat, it can be centered as long as it gives the 'same' alignment.
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 14 March 2017, 08:17:25
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 March 2017, 13:30:21
This is gonna be the set to get next to oblivion. I mean two years from now people are going to be wishing they could go back in time when this GB opens.
Oh i forgot how much time passed since i've started this IC. Well if you remember i wanted initially to make yuri in cherry profile and look its going to be how i wanted :) How things changed.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 14 March 2017, 13:53:23
Oh i forgot how much time passed since i've started this IC. Well if you remember i wanted initially to make yuri in cherry profile and look its going to be how i wanted :) How things changed.
I'm so excited, I really wonder how much it'll cost to cover a 60% with the new icons and Cyrillic - it's gonna be such a cool thing to do, hopefully GMK can handle it all well and at as very little cost as can be; the success the set has to see prior to those kits "opening" doesn't worry me in the slightest, I'm sure people are going to be all over the base kit.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 14 March 2017, 14:37:24
(http://i.imgur.com/jdFGr8F.png)
That is how cherry cyrillics shoud have been done long days ago. Ignore the number row and some symbols, sicne this render was made to show how letters play with everything else and especially the cherry profile.
I really wonder how much it'll cost to cover a 60% with the new icons and Cyrillic.
It will cost reasonably for new molds. But lets wait and see. Its possible GMK is going to surprise us ;)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 14 March 2017, 15:04:59
Post by: poolside on Sun, 19 March 2017, 07:37:38
Another try...
Icons are reworked and boldier.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/slDXGPs.png)
Of course the alignment on 1u keys is debatable. I for myself like the centered ones.
These icons are looking good!
I like the centered legends on the 1u caps as well.
Is there a standard orientation for the Alt icon? It has been turned upside down compared to the previous mockups.
Post by: ehmlis on Sun, 19 March 2017, 07:55:45
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Is there a standard orientation for the Alt icon? It has been turned upside down compared to the previous mockups.
Apple uses this orientation for the option key.
More
(http://www.macobserver.com/imgs/tmo_articles/20140516-00-OptionKey-Teaser.jpg)
The ISO icon version for the alt key has the other orientation.
More
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e3/ISOIEC-9995-7-025--ISO-7000-2105--Symbol-for-Alternate.svg/480px-ISOIEC-9995-7-025--ISO-7000-2105--Symbol-for-Alternate.svg.png)
So I suppose that's why we have seen the two different versions.
Post by: nsmechkb on Sun, 19 March 2017, 10:24:54
Post by: srang on Sat, 25 March 2017, 09:12:56
Post by: Theconejo on Sat, 25 March 2017, 15:19:47
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 25 March 2017, 15:23:29
Is here no way to have Cyrillic and Roman letters together in harmony with gmk?
they can do it with pad printing but not doubleshot
it doesn't look especially good, but it's not appalling either
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 25 March 2017, 15:29:58
Is here no way to have Cyrillic and Roman letters together in harmony with gmk?
Only look good if they'd triple shot it which right now is not possible; however, it is in theory (and probably practice too) possible in the future if they get more/new tooling.
Post by: Theconejo on Sat, 25 March 2017, 15:31:56
Is here no way to have Cyrillic and Roman letters together in harmony with gmk?
they can do it with pad printing but not doubleshot
it doesn't look especially good, but it's not appalling either
I'll have to get both sets of alphas then. I convinced my sisters to pitch in and build my brother in law a kb with this set for his birthday or he holidays, depending on timing. Was hoping to have both scripts on one key but I'll take what I can get.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 26 March 2017, 12:28:16
(http://i.imgur.com/z3AigiB.png)
it doesn't look especially good, but it's not appalling either
I dont get this sentence. I think you relate this negativity to padprinting but not the look of possible result.
Anyway padprinting is a no go for me. If someday we got a chance to do tripple shot...
Also its pretty subjective but i think many people will do unspeakable things for something like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 26 March 2017, 15:17:43
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 26 March 2017, 15:31:30
Post by: Jedi on Sun, 26 March 2017, 16:11:12
can't take pictures of it right now but there are some weird bleed issues on my GMK cyrillic set
How long ago was that set produced? GMK last year corrected those bleed issues after TA. T0mb3ry already went through extensive bleed thru testing with GMK Carbon before that set was even produced. Secondly, this is doubleshot cyrillic. I understand what you are doing by asking the question, but I believe this has been covered (maybe not specifically with Cyrillic legends, but perhaps best for the thread with which those Cryillics were originally run in?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 26 March 2017, 16:32:21
can't take pictures of it right now but there are some weird bleed issues on my GMK cyrillic set
How long ago was that set produced? GMK last year corrected those bleed issues after TA. T0mb3ry already went through extensive bleed thru testing with GMK Carbon before that set was even produced. Secondly, this is doubleshot cyrillic. I understand what you are doing by asking the question, but I believe this has been covered (maybe not specifically with Cyrillic legends, but perhaps best for the thread with which those Cryillics were originally run in?
I think he relates to padprinting (reading through the conversation about to combine latin and cyrillic alphasbets in one alphas, which ofcourse currently is only possible with padprinting). But as i said before, i will never do padprinting. Thats why there are two alpha sets (latin and cyrillic) being both doubleshot.
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 26 March 2017, 20:19:03
Anyway padprinting is a no go for me. If someday we got a chance to do tripple shot...
Also its pretty subjective but i think many people will do unspeakable things for something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
yes, think of the children and then... NO! GIVE MEH DAT TRIPLESHOTTT :eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 28 March 2017, 02:43:06
Post by: need on Tue, 28 March 2017, 10:17:27
A long shot, 1.5u Meta/Code/Command key? Just like on HHKB. This key never have a chance to appear on GMK :/
Yes this, it would be useful for Mac layouts as well.
For the bottom row, I use 1.25, 1.25, 6.25, 1.5, 1.5
Post by: KnightDX on Tue, 28 March 2017, 10:19:34
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 28 March 2017, 11:24:08
Post by: need on Tue, 28 March 2017, 11:46:43
Sorry no OS specific keys. I will think about 1.5u code key. Kinda to much working on two sets at the same time.
Yes! 1.5 code key would work well.
Post by: PLC on Tue, 28 March 2017, 23:53:04
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 29 March 2017, 00:38:01
I`m ****ing exited. When will it be released?
April
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 29 March 2017, 05:34:00
Sorry no OS specific keys. I will think about 1.5u code key. Kinda to much working on two sets at the same time.
It's okay, meta (diamond) is cool too! At least it isn't Alt nor Ctrl and not illustration novelties.
Post by: srang on Wed, 29 March 2017, 08:03:32
Any idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the daysI`m ****ing exited. When will it be released?
April
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 29 March 2017, 08:08:18
Any idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
Post by: colbs on Wed, 29 March 2017, 09:01:56
Any idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
Post by: srang on Wed, 29 March 2017, 09:03:04
So much sadnessAny idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 29 March 2017, 10:43:12
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
That is the same person yes, he told me about the set being postponed to May a couple days ago but I didn't want to say that publicly yet as I didn't know whether or not it was 100% set in stone or if he'd announced it himself.
Still, May gives some more time for the wallet to breathe which is not necessarily a bad thing!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 29 March 2017, 10:46:30
Any idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
Confirm. Sorry people i should have said this earlier, but this is the case. Yuri is dealyed to May.
Post by: thad on Wed, 29 March 2017, 11:33:00
Post by: thad on Wed, 29 March 2017, 11:34:00
Is may going to coincide with Nautilus? Could be a wallet buster
Post by: colbs on Wed, 29 March 2017, 11:59:40
It's cool. Just don't cancel it.
Is may going to coincide with Nautilus? Could be a wallet buster
This and nautilus should drop at least a month-ish apart...massdrop doesn't drop GMK sets too close to each other, b/c they know it would reduce overall sales with people not having enough funds to get both sets (credit to Vigrith for explaining some massdrop intricacies to me a couple weeks ago) :) This is quite the time for our wallets though, huh? Yuri, Nautilus, Laser, and now GMK Oblivion. And once the smoke clears from that we have SA Carbon followed by SA Oblivion!
I wonder if Nautilus is dropping before or after Yuri...Nautilus was scheduled to drop in April or May, so either Yuri got knocked back to make room for Nautilus in April, or both got delayed for whatever reasons.
Post by: colbs on Wed, 29 March 2017, 12:09:13
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
That is the same person yes, he told me about the set being postponed to May a couple days ago but I didn't want to say that publicly yet as I didn't know whether or not it was 100% set in stone or if he'd announced it himself.
Still, May gives some more time for the wallet to breathe which is not necessarily a bad thing!
That is a good point on not saying anything publicly...I just assumed if it was said on reddit it would be fine to repeat here (as he didn't inform me of the delay personally, as he did with you). Tomb3ry, I apologize if you would have preferred me to keep my mouth shut, I didn't even consider you might have your own reasons to delay any announcements regarding massdrop scheduling issues.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 29 March 2017, 12:26:47
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
That is the same person yes, he told me about the set being postponed to May a couple days ago but I didn't want to say that publicly yet as I didn't know whether or not it was 100% set in stone or if he'd announced it himself.
Still, May gives some more time for the wallet to breathe which is not necessarily a bad thing!
That is a good point on not saying anything publicly...I just assumed if it was said on reddit it would be fine to repeat here (as he didn't inform me of the delay personally, as he did with you). Tomb3ry, I apologize if you would have preferred me to keep my mouth shut, I didn't even consider you might have your own reasons to delay any announcements regarding massdrop scheduling issues.
Hey no worry, i am cool with it :) Actually i need to apologize here for not telling about the delay...
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 29 March 2017, 12:47:01
This and nautilus should drop at least a month-ish apart...massdrop doesn't drop GMK sets too close to each other, b/c they know it would reduce overall sales with people not having enough funds to get both sets (credit to Vigrith for explaining some massdrop intricacies to me a couple weeks ago) :) This is quite the time for our wallets though, huh? Yuri, Nautilus, Laser, and now GMK Oblivion. And once the smoke clears from that we have SA Carbon followed by SA Oblivion!
I wonder if Nautilus is dropping before or after Yuri...Nautilus was scheduled to drop in April or May, so either Yuri got knocked back to make room for Nautilus in April, or both got delayed for whatever reasons.
Nautilus has been planned for Q3 of 2017 for the whole time of its existence I believe so it should definitely be after Yuri - plus it's a much more recent project, Yuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Also, Mito's Joyland is also coming out soon ish so that's another GMK set for that list!
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 29 March 2017, 13:11:45
WHYYYYY :( cant wait for it anymore please let it droppAny idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
Confirm. Sorry people i should have said this earlier, but this is the case. Yuri is dealyed to May.
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 29 March 2017, 13:21:17
Also, Mito's Joyland is also coming out soon ish so that's another GMK set for that list!
What's this now?
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 29 March 2017, 13:29:25
Also, Mito's Joyland is also coming out soon ish so that's another GMK set for that list!
What's this now?
https://www.instagram.com/p/BSGywUDBExu/?taken-by=mitormk (https://www.instagram.com/p/BSGywUDBExu/?taken-by=mitormk)
Post by: colbs on Wed, 29 March 2017, 14:38:47
Nautilus has been planned for Q3 of 2017 for the whole time of its existence I believe so it should definitely be after Yuri - plus it's a much more recent project, Yuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Also, Mito's Joyland is also coming out soon ish so that's another GMK set for that list!
Zambumon stated Q2 (specifically April or May) on the massdrop discussion page for Nautilus. That being said, if Yuri got delayed, I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Nautilus get delayed as well. Either way, very excited for both of them (especially doubleshot cryllic in Yuri, which is just too cool).
Post by: srang on Wed, 29 March 2017, 14:46:42
Yuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Aged like a fine wine
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 29 March 2017, 15:23:41
Zambumon stated Q2 (specifically April or May) on the massdrop discussion page for Nautilus. That being said, if Yuri got delayed, I wouldn't be terribly surprised to see Nautilus get delayed as well. Either way, very excited for both of them (especially doubleshot cryllic in Yuri, which is just too cool).
Oh right yea he did say Q2 - I just figured it was Q3 because I googled it and this came up; "1st quarter: 1 October 2016 – 31 December 2016. 2nd quarter: 1 January 2017 – 31 March 2017."
All I saw in my mind was Q2 = 31st March which could've never have been realistic for Nautilus. Still sure it's going to be after Yuri though but I appreciate the correction! ^-^
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 29 March 2017, 16:34:36
Yuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Aged like a fine wine
Yuri really needed that time :) Rushing things is not the best option. I am glad i could gather as much feedback as possible and right now i am more confident about cyrillics. :)
Post by: srang on Wed, 29 March 2017, 20:35:25
Me too. I was on the fence with this kit in the first couple iterations but this has turned into my end game set and I can't freaking wait for it to drop!!! Thank you for all the hard work T0mb3ryYuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Aged like a fine wine
Yuri really needed that time :) Rushing things is not the best option. I am glad i could gather as much feedback as possible and right now i am more confident about cyrillics. :)
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 29 March 2017, 21:08:06
Yuri is ancient almost at this point haha
Aged like a fine wine
Yuri really needed that time :) Rushing things is not the best option. I am glad i could gather as much feedback as possible and right now i am more confident about cyrillics. :)
We are all discussing Yuri atep by step for months and years. No need to rush it now. I don't mind more delay if it makes this set better.
Post by: ironpup on Fri, 31 March 2017, 16:41:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 01 April 2017, 18:23:18
Added 2x1.5u Code keys for hhkb look alike layouts.
(http://i.imgur.com/sgZYogm.png)
Todo: update icon mods with new icons...
Post by: ironpup on Sat, 01 April 2017, 22:06:15
Is there any way we could get a 1.5 R3 Backspace key and a 1.25 Caps Lock key?
Oh ****, I meant 1.5 R2 'Backspace' to avoid a 'Delete' 'Delete' situation on a 65%, and a 1.25 R4 'Caps Lock' key so you can switch 'Caps Lock' and 'Control'. GMK should already have both the molds because Honeywell uses them. Just adding the 'Backspace' would make this an insta buy though -- it has space travel and UVA colors all rapped into one! :p
Post by: Vloshko on Sun, 02 April 2017, 05:21:16
Post by: HMK on Sun, 02 April 2017, 07:02:56
Is there any way we could get a 1.5 R3 Backspace key and a 1.25 Caps Lock key?
Oh ****, I meant 1.5 R2 'Backspace' to avoid a 'Delete' 'Delete' situation on a 65%, and a 1.25 R4 'Caps Lock' key so you can switch 'Caps Lock' and 'Control'. GMK should already have both the molds because Honeywell uses them. Just adding the 'Backspace' would make this an insta buy though -- it has space travel and UVA colors all rapped into one! :p
Oh yes. I think 1.25 R4 Caps Lock is necessary for those who switch Caps Lock with Control.
Post by: Theconejo on Sun, 02 April 2017, 10:04:06
This set with zeal's black gold 65%. It's like the Russian space program and caviar had a keyboard baby.
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 03 April 2017, 03:21:02
Post by: HMK on Mon, 03 April 2017, 04:13:59
This set is looking better and better T0m! Another thing popped in my head, because Yuri gonna do icon mods, how about making the base kit all letter for tab, backspace, shift, and enter?In my opinion, it may make the keycaps look empty. When I saw GMK Oblivion with letter-only legend modifiers, I thought it is a little bit weird...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 03 April 2017, 13:20:52
This set is looking better and better T0m! Another thing popped in my head, because Yuri gonna do icon mods, how about making the base kit all letter for tab, backspace, shift, and enter?
Hey GMK Oblivion GB will introduce only letter mods. I will definitely participate in Oblivion GB. However right now for Yuri i'd like to keep the mods as they are. In the next drops i will look into only letter mods.
Post by: richard912 on Tue, 04 April 2017, 01:13:22
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 04 April 2017, 01:15:39
This set is looking better and better T0m! Another thing popped in my head, because Yuri gonna do icon mods, how about making the base kit all letter for tab, backspace, shift, and enter?
Hey GMK Oblivion GB will introduce only letter mods. I will definitely participate in Oblivion GB. However right now for Yuri i'd like to keep the mods as they are. In the next drops i will look into only letter mods.
No biggies T0m, just gotta let them out of my chest ;D
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 April 2017, 11:12:50
(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-retro-keycap-set/MD-31228_20161127144550_7f3c0c66855bf8eb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)
thinking..........
That are your thoughts?
Post by: need on Wed, 05 April 2017, 11:14:50
GMK 1.5u back spaceShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-retro-keycap-set/MD-31228_20161127144550_7f3c0c66855bf8eb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)
thinking..........
That are your thoughts?
Is this gonna replace "Delete"? Not a fan of back space personally.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 05 April 2017, 11:21:23
GMK 1.5u back spaceShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-retro-keycap-set/MD-31228_20161127144550_7f3c0c66855bf8eb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)
thinking..........
That are your thoughts?
Is this gonna replace "Delete"? Not a fan of back space personally.
Actually i'd like to keep Delete. But you can share with me your opinion.
Post by: HMK on Wed, 05 April 2017, 13:05:13
GMK 1.5u back spaceShow Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/gmk-retro-keycap-set/MD-31228_20161127144550_7f3c0c66855bf8eb.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=crop&w=955&dpr=1)
thinking..........
That are your thoughts?
Is this gonna replace "Delete"? Not a fan of back space personally.
Actually i'd like to keep Delete. But you can share with me your opinion.
Delete would be better, i think.
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 05 April 2017, 14:19:37
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 05 April 2017, 17:36:23
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:16:35
(http://i.imgur.com/vVElimC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kHD16GR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/HfZ8A0r.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ShiRRgb.jpg)
(https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7TKTDn976rzVgky4/giphy.gif)
Post by: srang on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:19:02
Post by: colbs on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:45:34
Post by: srang on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:47:35
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 06 April 2017, 11:55:57
How can we get one of those T0mb3ry?
This is an Revo D keyboard and its an custom order. I think Revo Team will run this gb again so you can snag one board :)
Also they run currently this IC here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86279.0
I think you might request these colors, but the anodizing is done by different factory. So i dont know if the factory will do the same colors.
Anyway you can trust Revo Team. They are reliable. As you can see they do slick and very nice keyboards. And dont forget to get Yarbo cables!
Post by: kolashnikov on Thu, 06 April 2017, 13:00:50
Edit: Or I'll just grab the symbol mods pack and use the backspace from there!
Post by: srang on Thu, 06 April 2017, 13:04:27
Gorgeous, I'll have to look into itHow can we get one of those T0mb3ry?
This is an Revo D keyboard and its an custom order. I think Revo Team will run this gb again so you can snag one board :)
Also they run currently this IC here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86279.0
I think you might request these colors, but the anodizing is done by different factory. So i dont know if the factory will do the same colors.
Anyway you can trust Revo Team. They are reliable. As you can see they do slick and very nice keyboards. And dont forget to get Yarbo cables!
Post by: kconfire on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:03:47
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:06:03
Post by: srang on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:43:54
Is this still available? I'd like to order one..You're in luck, the set drops in May
Post by: kconfire on Sat, 08 April 2017, 16:50:32
Is this still available? I'd like to order one..You're in luck, the set drops in May
So I was told.
YAS!!!! +_+
Post by: poolside on Sun, 09 April 2017, 08:28:11
Update.
Added 2x1.5u Code keys for hhkb look alike layouts.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/sgZYogm.png)
Todo: update icon mods with new icons...
Also pretty neat for CapsLock/Control swappers using wkl keyboards :)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 09 April 2017, 09:27:14
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.
(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
edit: fixed tab symbol
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 09 April 2017, 09:42:31
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 09 April 2017, 09:47:57
Update.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ye957yf.png)
What's with the alt character? I've never seen it upside down like that.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 09 April 2017, 09:55:13
Update.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ye957yf.png)
What's with the alt character? I've never seen it upside down like that.
I've seen it somewhere done like this. And personaly i prefer them upside down like this, because they hormonize with control icon better. Though if there are enought voices i'll make it like in granite (apple os).
Actually this is the right way btw. alt icon is right. The other icon is OS based. http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 09 April 2017, 15:05:55
Then again, it kind of makes sense to me with the set. But as personal preferences got: I'm happy without the icon mods, so you get a free pass on anything there.
Post by: srang on Sun, 09 April 2017, 16:59:54
I like it the way you've got it especially with the history lesson contextUpdate.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ye957yf.png)
What's with the alt character? I've never seen it upside down like that.
I've seen it somewhere done like this. And personaly i prefer them upside down like this, because they hormonize with control icon better. Though if there are enought voices i'll make it like in granite (apple os).
Actually this is the right way btw. alt icon is right. The other icon is OS based. http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html
Post by: ghostdeini on Sun, 09 April 2017, 17:59:20
Also its pretty subjective but i think many people will do unspeakable things for something like this:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
Confirmed, I would sacrifice a body part for that exact keyset. Looks like it was ripped straight from the control panel of some science fiction ship!
However, the planned design will be enough to satiate me :P
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 10 April 2017, 01:11:23
Update.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ye957yf.png)
What's with the alt character? I've never seen it upside down like that.
I've seen it somewhere done like this. And personaly i prefer them upside down like this, because they hormonize with control icon better. Though if there are enought voices i'll make it like in granite (apple os).
Actually this is the right way btw. alt icon is right. The other icon is OS based. http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html
While it is right "Alt", it almost never be seen, and because the "Opt" icon on macOS appear quite often, people become familiar with it as the "Alt" icon, even on mac keyboads it still says Alt on top then Option on the bottom.
And yes, I prefer the macOS version.
Post by: helpslipknotfranklins on Wed, 12 April 2017, 07:55:11
Post by: jihadu on Wed, 12 April 2017, 08:12:08
Enviado do meu GT-i8730 através de Tapatalk
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 April 2017, 11:41:17
Anyway seems like everybody is for flipping alt symbol, so be it.
Post by: anthonyooiszewen on Wed, 12 April 2017, 13:41:04
Happy first flight day! :)
Anyway seems like everybody is for flipping alt symbol, so be it.
Haha, I only counted 1 who prefers the flipped symbol. The other two were just more used to seeing it flipped - the first didn't mention his preference; the second said the regular alt symbol makes sense and he's ok with it.
I personally much prefer the regular alt (the "correct" one) as I agree that it goes much better with Ctrl and the rest of the icons better. And the symbol just makes more sense that way...
Post by: srang on Wed, 12 April 2017, 13:52:48
Poll poll poll! 😉 Tbh I'm fine with either way. I just like feeling includedHappy first flight day! :)
Anyway seems like everybody is for flipping alt symbol, so be it.
Haha, I only counted 1 who prefers the flipped symbol. The other two were just more used to seeing it flipped - the first didn't mention his preference; the second said the regular alt symbol makes sense and he's ok with it.
I personally much prefer the regular alt (the "correct" one) as I agree that it goes much better with Ctrl and the rest of the icons better. And the symbol just makes more sense that way...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 April 2017, 14:01:54
Added that poll to the first page at the bottom...
Post by: srang on Wed, 12 April 2017, 14:05:35
The poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/12732747Woooooooo
Added that poll to the first page at the bottom...
Post by: need on Wed, 12 April 2017, 14:24:49
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 12 April 2017, 14:33:10
I feel that you shouldn't call it usual one the "correct" way, as that makes the Apple OS one sounds incorrect...
You are right i have better called it the standard way.
Post by: poolside on Wed, 12 April 2017, 17:07:19
The poll: http://www.strawpoll.me/12732747
Added that poll to the first page at the bottom...
Voted for flipping, MacOS-style! The flippers seem to be in the minority at the moment, however.
Post by: nightdriver on Wed, 12 April 2017, 20:56:07
Post by: jihadu on Thu, 13 April 2017, 18:02:23
any possibility of an inverse yuri glorious key? that's the one i'd want to use with this set.It would look wicked, that's for sure.
Post by: elfick on Fri, 14 April 2017, 13:22:25
I've seen it somewhere done like this. And personaly i prefer them upside down like this, because they hormonize with control icon better. Though if there are enought voices i'll make it like in granite (apple os).Technically neither is wrong or right. IIRC they are both part of the ISO 9995-7 standard. They are just for different keys, one for alternate, the other for option. Both keys just happen to generate the same scan code. :D (FWIW, I don't have a preference. I just prefer the icon over text.)
Actually this is the right way btw. alt icon is right. The other icon is OS based. http://xahlee.info/comp/unicode_computing_symbols.html
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 15 April 2017, 16:02:53
I know for a correct poll "statisticaly" you need at least 3k votes. But like i asumed before it will be somewhere near 70% votes for alt icon (standard) and 30% for option icon (apple). This asumption i got from university. We got like ~30% apple users in our class :) And they were also very passionate apple users. But anyway due to the poll results its clear we keep the standard icon. Also people should keep in mind, despite their OS or Company preferences/passion, these icon mods will be used by other keyset designers (if they want) in their keysets and i think its important to make it as standard. At least for this time. I am sure in some upcoming set someone will also introduce proper Apple icon mods. Maybe i will do that or maybe some other designer will introduce apple icons. Who knows. :)
Post by: packman86 on Sat, 15 April 2017, 18:59:52
I'd like to thank everybody who participated in the poll for the "alternate" icon. Thank you :)
I know for a correct poll "statisticaly" you need at least 3k votes. But like i asumed before it will be somewhere near 70% votes for alt icon (standard) and 30% for option icon (apple). This asumption i got from university. We got like ~30% apple users in our class :) And they were also very passionate apple users. But anyway due to the poll results its clear we keep the standard icon. Also people should keep in mind, despite their OS or Company preferences/passion, these icon mods will be used by other keyset designers (if they want) in their keysets and i think its important to make it as standard. At least for this time. I am sure in some upcoming set someone will also introduce proper Apple icon mods. Maybe i will do that or maybe some other designer will introduce apple icons. Who knows. :)
OK that is great news... But when can I buy this set??
Post by: pattulus on Sat, 15 April 2017, 19:24:37
May
OK that is great news... But when can I buy this set??
Post by: jihadu on Sat, 15 April 2017, 20:16:55
Hopefully!May
OK that is great news... But when can I buy this set??
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 16 April 2017, 02:24:14
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 16 April 2017, 10:19:28
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 18 April 2017, 17:16:54
(http://i.imgur.com/uGMaoXO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/M7RYRBm.gif)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 18 April 2017, 17:18:06
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NNUm34p.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/uGMaoXO.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/M7RYRBm.gif)
Come at me
Post by: ideus on Tue, 18 April 2017, 17:46:38
Update.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
edit: fixed tab symbol
I need this ASAP.
When are you planning to drop it?
Post by: srang on Tue, 18 April 2017, 18:11:48
Is the space bar kit going to be available in alpha base color?
It will then have moq of 150 which is not optimal. Though i can change the color of available spacebar kit to alpha color, because that orange is very loud.
By the way Yuri will introduce 2u spacebar which will be included into planck/ergodox kit. Also there is possibility that the 2u "0 Ins" key on numpad may get the shape of a spacebar.
So I finally found a reasonably priced 40% and realized I needed some clarification on the spacebars. So is the only kit with a 2u convex spacebar the plank kit? Or are the spacebars (maybe even all the sizes?) in the spacebar kit convex as well? Fingers crossed
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Post by: Meitachi on Tue, 18 April 2017, 18:13:13
Update.
Updated icon mods kit with new icons.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j3Brt49.png)
edit: fixed tab symbol
I need this ASAP.
When are you planning to drop it?
Any idea when in April? April's almost here so I want to know when I can start counting down the days
Considering Massdrop's current schedule with the whole Ortholinear madness and everything I'd say you have time - the Planck is about to end but the Preonic is starting right after and we don't know yet if Yuri's coming right after that so I'd say counting down the days is not necessary just yet.
So on the reddit page for GMK Oblivion, spoonyluv47 (who I think is the same person as Tomb3ry here on GH, please correct me if I am wrong) said that Yuri got delayed to May. Sad news, but my wallet is probably better off for it.
Confirm. Sorry people i should have said this earlier, but this is the case. Yuri is dealyed to May.
My wallet is ready.
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 18 April 2017, 19:35:35
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 18 April 2017, 19:46:25
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 18 April 2017, 19:49:39
Is it me or this set looks really similar to Carbon
It's just you. The only similarity is using orange legends on the mods and for ESC/Enter accents, and they don't even use similar oranges.
Post by: Theconejo on Tue, 18 April 2017, 20:18:59
Post by: BlackInk on Tue, 18 April 2017, 21:54:56
Is it me or this set looks really similar to Carbon
It's just you. The only similarity is using orange legends on the mods and for ESC/Enter accents, and they don't even use similar oranges.
Yea i think its only me, anyway........ Tom always come up with some of the best looking GMK sets
Ill be in for sure and May is coming guys!!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 19 April 2017, 00:06:39
So I finally found a reasonably priced 40% and realized I needed some clarification on the spacebars. So is the only kit with a 2u convex spacebar the plank kit? Or are the spacebars (maybe even all the sizes?) in the spacebar kit convex as well? Fingers crossed
Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Thats the plan. Edit: Sry. Need to tprecise. The plan is to have all the 2u "spacebar" convex... :)
Seeing these extra kits made me thinking, is it possible to fill a full 1800 layout only with Cyrillic + Icon Mods kit?
Nope. You can use icon mods + cyrillics up to 60% safely. After that you will ne some keys from base set. Anyway icon mods are meant to be as optional Addon for base set and not a replacement for it.
Is it me or this set looks really similar to Carbon
Initially i wanted to avoid using orange but blue and orange have probably one of the best cohesion as colorcombo. The orange itself has more redish touch to it and is almost neon if you compare to a dark and rough carbon orange.
Post by: mathiasn on Wed, 19 April 2017, 01:20:42
Just some questions:
* Why no Novelty ISO Enter (Szar and Stripes (spelling "mistake" intended ;D))?
* I don't hope International (Dvorak, ...) has been dropped (there's no drop render)?
Looking forward to this...
Post by: GreyAmbience on Wed, 19 April 2017, 02:31:03
Post by: srang on Wed, 19 April 2017, 08:48:06
So I finally found a reasonably priced 40% and realized I needed some clarification on the spacebars. So is the only kit with a 2u convex spacebar the plank kit? Or are the spacebars (maybe even all the sizes?) in the spacebar kit convex as well? Fingers crossed
Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Thats the plan. Edit: Sry. Need to tprecise. The plan is to have all the 2u "spacebar" convex... :)
Oh man for a second I go beyond excited! All size spacebars convex would be unreal! But I'm very happy for 2u convex in the spacebar kit.
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Post by: pixelpusher on Wed, 19 April 2017, 09:04:11
So I finally found a reasonably priced 40% and realized I needed some clarification on the spacebars. So is the only kit with a 2u convex spacebar the plank kit? Or are the spacebars (maybe even all the sizes?) in the spacebar kit convex as well? Fingers crossed
Sent from my SM-N910V using Tapatalk
Thats the plan. Edit: Sry. Need to tprecise. The plan is to have all the 2u "spacebar" convex... :)
Oh man for a second I go beyond excited! All size spacebars convex would be unreal! But I'm very happy for 2u convex in the spacebar kit.
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Agreed. I think a lot of people will be buying the spacebar kit with 2u convex available
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:02:26
Hope you consider this :thumb:
Edit: some words to make it clearer.
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:07:11
Hey T0m just wanna let you know (if you don't, yet) that Cristoph offer me a 1u convex option at no additional charge at all because they wanna invest on it. So my suggestion is to change some/all 1u key on dox kit thumb clusters to convex. I can't say for sure how it feels on ergodox since I don't have it but having a different profile (usually flipping them) for lower and raise really improve my productivity since there're more thumb keys on it compared to usual keeb so having an "orientation" at vital key like lower raise is essential.
Hope you consider this :thumb:
Oh, that sounds lovely! Let's make an ortho with all convex keys!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:27:04
Hey T0m just wanna let you know (if you don't, yet) that Cristoph offer me a 1u convex option at no additional charge at all because they wanna invest on it. So my suggestion is to change some/all 1u key on dox kit thumb clusters to convex. I can't say for sure how it feels on ergodox since I don't have it but having a different profile (usually flipping them) for lower and raise on Planck really improve my productivity since there're more thumb keys on it compared to usual keeb so having an "orientation" at vital key like lower raise is essential.
Hope you consider this :thumb:
Edit: some words to make it clearer.
Sure. If they offer it. Will change with next update :)
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:30:05
I am curious. Do many of you have issue with alpha colors? On reddit people got troubles to see the pale blue and redish orange. Some called pale blue as white or gray which i cant understand why. I see it clearly on several different monitors. Anyway if someone got these troubles then i suggest to check previous posts with real life samples. Tell me if you still see different colors.Hey T0m just wanna let you know (if you don't, yet) that Cristoph offer me a 1u convex option at no additional charge at all because they wanna invest on it. So my suggestion is to change some/all 1u key on dox kit thumb clusters to convex. I can't say for sure how it feels on ergodox since I don't have it but having a different profile (usually flipping them) for lower and raise on Planck really improve my productivity since there're more thumb keys on it compared to usual keeb so having an "orientation" at vital key like lower raise is essential.
Hope you consider this :thumb:
Edit: some words to make it clearer.
Sure. If they offer it. Will change with next update :)
I can tell its blue, but the orange I thought was red until recently when someone pointed out it's actually orange. Sadly I'm colorblind and can't always differentiate so I rely on others for clarifications, like asking my 4 year old daughter when I need to buy bananas =(
Post by: srang on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:33:41
I am curious. Do many of you have issue with alpha colors? On reddit people got troubles to see the pale blue and redish orange. Some called pale blue as white or gray which i cant understand why. I see it clearly on several different monitors. Anyway if someone got these troubles then i suggest to check previous posts with real life samples. Tell me if you still see different colors.I can see the colors. And I would be hesitant to change them. They are subtle like good art where the more you look at it the better it looks
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:37:09
:thumb:
Pretty sure they use non-calibrated / non-Apple screen. No offense but Apple screen is the easiest way to see colors more correctly, I did a research on it, most of Samsung mobile tends to have yellow/green tint and yellow is negating blue. Or maybe that pale blue stand on color blind range? I knew it is pale blue right away when I saw it decades ago.
Post by: srang on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:51:04
(Attachment Link)I know this is a stretch but if they're willing to expand their toolset it would be *really* cool for the spacebars in the spacebar kit to all be convex. I know it's a big ask, but t0m can work magic so I figure it's worth asking
:thumb:
Pretty sure they use non-calibrated / non-Apple screen. No offense but Apple screen is the easiest way to see colors more correctly, I did a research on it, most of Samsung mobile tends to have yellow/green tint and yellow is negating blue. Or maybe that pale blue stand on color blind range? I knew it is pale blue right away when I saw it decades ago.
Post by: HMK on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:57:30
I am curious. Do many of you have issue with alpha colors? On reddit people got troubles to see the pale blue and redish orange. Some called pale blue as white or gray which i cant understand why. I see it clearly on several different monitors. Anyway if someone got these troubles then i suggest to check previous posts with real life samples. Tell me if you still see different colors.
I can see them. Monitor aging could be one reason. Monitor gets yellowish as time pasts, and with yellowish tint on it, blue would looks achromatic, B with Yellow(R+G).
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 19 April 2017, 10:59:52
Post by: kmba on Wed, 19 April 2017, 11:04:37
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 19 April 2017, 11:56:48
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 19 April 2017, 17:06:15
(Attachment Link)I know this is a stretch but if they're willing to expand their toolset it would be *really* cool for the spacebars in the spacebar kit to all be convex. I know it's a big ask, but t0m can work magic so I figure it's worth asking
:thumb:
Pretty sure they use non-calibrated / non-Apple screen. No offense but Apple screen is the easiest way to see colors more correctly, I did a research on it, most of Samsung mobile tends to have yellow/green tint and yellow is negating blue. Or maybe that pale blue stand on color blind range? I knew it is pale blue right away when I saw it decades ago.
I bet they're willing to do 1u convex because of the size, it's only 1u. And Planck having a multiple grand of order from latest drop, and multiple drop happened on ergodox, makes it as more clear consumption to make 1u and 2u convex. Compared to that, the market for 1.75u 2.25u 2.75u 3u is still quite new but I believe it will be covered in not so distant future.
Post by: shower_king on Wed, 19 April 2017, 23:15:09
i have doubt that there is no convex 3u spacebar.
Post by: ski_ on Thu, 20 April 2017, 02:12:54
I am curious. Do many of you have issue with alpha colors? On reddit people got troubles to see the pale blue and redish orange. Some called pale blue as white or gray which i cant understand why. I see it clearly on several different monitors. Anyway if someone got these troubles then i suggest to check previous posts with real life samples. Tell me if you still see different colors.
I am color blind, yet I have no issues see the blue and orange as you have them in the images. Keep them as you have them-- this color way rocks! :-)
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 20 April 2017, 06:14:07
No, I would not change a thing and if people disagree, they can keep to their stock color kits as GMK has plenty of boring overdone colors for them to choose from.
Post by: helpslipknotfranklins on Thu, 20 April 2017, 07:39:53
The custom colors of this set are the best and the only way this set should run. The pale blue is completely unique and the fiery orange captures this balance perfectly. THIS together with the doubleshot Cyrillic alphas is the true reason to get this kit.
No, I would not change a thing and if people disagree, they can keep to their stock color kits as GMK has plenty of boring overdone colors for them to choose from.
Absolutely agreed. The colors are perfect.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 20 April 2017, 12:15:56
Post by: Theconejo on Thu, 20 April 2017, 12:32:33
Thanks everybody for feedback. Just was curious if i hit some kind of deadspot combo for colorblind people. Anyway i will keep the colors as they are. Since i got the the samples, i know the colors are mind blowing in person (ofcourse subjective). In case of alphas i am sure the legends will be distinct enough. The choice of colors were done with purpose (pale blue for dream to be able to fly, deep blue for space, fiery orange for Yuri's flight suit) and i am not willing to change it.
I think the colors are great, I just thought it was red not orange, which doesn't bother me at all. Keep up the good work.
Any updates from massdrop or gmk? Still looking at May?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 20 April 2017, 16:18:55
Ergodox/Planck kit
- Changed some row 4 keys to row 4 convex (look for R4c)
- Added two additional R4c keys for grid planck
(http://i.imgur.com/4f8xVOa.png)
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 20 April 2017, 16:36:12
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 20 April 2017, 16:38:29
Are we still on track for a May drop? I am so excited :thumb:
Yes. Yuri will drop in May after DSA Miami Dolch.
Post by: Theconejo on Thu, 20 April 2017, 17:10:28
Are we still on track for a May drop? I am so excited :thumb:
Yes. Yuri will drop in May after DSA Miami Dolch.
oh ****, Tom leaking the info!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 20 April 2017, 18:26:40
Yes. Yuri will drop in May after DSA Miami Dolch.
Both my most anticipated sets launching within a month of each other is gonna be reaaaaal rough - thankfully I've known for a while now so I'm ready to roll haha
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 20 April 2017, 18:29:21
Yes. Yuri will drop in May after DSA Miami Dolch.
Both my most anticipated sets launching within a month of each other is gonna be reaaaaal rough - thankfully I've known for a while now so I'm ready to roll haha
I'm in pretty deep with kbd spending lately too. Hopefully I have enough time to recover before this drops lol
Post by: Terceler on Thu, 20 April 2017, 19:18:34
Update.
Ergodox/Planck kit
- Changed some row 4 keys to row 4 convex (look for R4c)
- Added two additional R4c keys for grid planck
Looking forward to seeing how the convex keys come out! I will definitely be looking to get an Ergodox/Planck kit.
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 20 April 2017, 22:14:33
Thanks
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 20 April 2017, 22:28:40
Kinda lazy to go through all the cmt, do you guys know what is the price for this set? novelties? Cyrillic?
Thanks
Still TBA I think
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 21 April 2017, 09:04:41
Update.
Ergodox/Planck kit
- Changed some row 4 keys to row 4 convex (look for R4c)
- Added two additional R4c keys for grid planckShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/4f8xVOa.png)
I'm not quite sure which color use the R4c profile. Hope it's a pair of pale blue, a pair of dark blue, and a pair of orange :thumb:
At the very least, a pair of pale blue and pair of orange.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 April 2017, 02:23:11
Ergodox/Planck kit
- Added complete row 4 bottom row. The reason for this is some people want to use some 1u modifiers from the base set. For example arrows or ctrl/alt keys. Same counts for planck adn probably some of you might need the convex keys only for raise/low and the 2u spacebar. The extra 12 keys will not hurt the prcing and i think having options is worth it.
(http://i.imgur.com/HQapkKR.png)
Following is not an update. And i want just to hear your opinion.
ISO Novlety? Yes or No? Star on stripes or Cosmonaut Helmet? Vote in the pole below.
(http://i.imgur.com/CXw1wfS.png)
VOTEHERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12807036)
Post by: thelaughingman on Sun, 23 April 2017, 05:32:40
Following is not an update. And i want just to hear your opinion.
ISO Novlety? Yes or No? Star on stripes or Cosmonaut Helmet? Vote in the pole below.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CXw1wfS.png)
VOTEHERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12807036)
I personally welcome this as it gives some love to the ISO people. I used to type on ISO UK layout a lot as I spent years studying in the UK but now I consciously think about not buying ISO kit because I can't show off the ANSI Enter novelty. Long story short, if this happens I will buy the International Kit for sure :eek: :eek: :eek:
Post by: ideus on Sun, 23 April 2017, 09:53:20
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 April 2017, 14:58:15
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 23 April 2017, 16:15:22
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 23 April 2017, 16:24:24
I'm indifferent to the all convex bottom row, but I think that having only the central keys with convex tops will actually help with centralising your thumbs (like a built-in homing feature for the bottom row if you will)
Well seems like the convex keys make sense only near the tumbs. In that case i will reduce the convex keys only for that purpose.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 23 April 2017, 19:18:55
I'm indifferent to the all convex bottom row, but I think that having only the central keys with convex tops will actually help with centralising your thumbs (like a built-in homing feature for the bottom row if you will)
Well seems like the convex keys make sense only near the tumbs. In that case i will reduce the convex keys only for that purpose.
Will the 2.25u and 2.75u be convex?
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 23 April 2017, 20:40:14
Ideal convex list for planck:
1x 2u pale blue planckbar,
2x pale blue 1u for grid space,
2x dark blue 1u for lo-ra,
2x orange 1u for alternatecolor lo-ra,
Having extra dark blue there is a little bonus which can be used on another place as homing too.
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 23 April 2017, 22:21:57
Just a question to everybody. Is there anybody who is looking forward to use an entire convex bottom row on his/her planck? If there is no body, i might reduce these convex keys only for raise/lower and 2u key. Thanks in advance.
Personally, I find the idea intriguing. I don't know if it's my cup of tea, but I'd pay a few dollars more just to try it out.
As an Ergodox user I can see those convex keys being useful on the thumb cluster, too. I use 3 R1 keys for the topmost three keys there, so my guess is that if I don't like them in the bottom row, I can use them in the thumb cluster to have more prominent and easy to access keys. ((see attachment))(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170424/632aab2ed5630d9ceb4461bc4bb7ae20.jpg)
In short: I vote for versatility/expandability which is supposed to be a big yes for convex keys.
If you decide to cut it down, maybe 2-3 of each color for Ergodox/Planck users would be a nice addition. Knowing my preferences I'd take R1 as well as R4's.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 24 April 2017, 18:03:04
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:37:02
Ergodox/Planck kit
- Reduced convex keys to six (see R4c row). Keep in mind there are enough row 4 keys even for use in a tumb cluster. Also dont forget about possibility to use convex keys in tumb cluster if that makes sense. Anyway if some fo you would love to ahve some extra row 4 keys or even row 1 keys just say it here as soon as possible. I'll look into it.
(http://i.imgur.com/GnG4o4Y.png)
any update on pricing?
Nobody can know this. You can only assume based on previous drops.
Just a question to everybody. Is there anybody who is looking forward to use an entire convex bottom row on his/her planck? If there is no body, i might reduce these convex keys only for raise/lower and 2u key. Thanks in advance.
Personally, I find the idea intriguing. I don't know if it's my cup of tea, but I'd pay a few dollars more just to try it out.
As an Ergodox user I can see those convex keys being useful on the thumb cluster, too. I use 3 R1 keys for the topmost three keys there, so my guess is that if I don't like them in the bottom row, I can use them in the thumb cluster to have more prominent and easy to access keys. ((see attachment))Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170424/632aab2ed5630d9ceb4461bc4bb7ae20.jpg)
In short: I vote for versatility/expandability which is supposed to be a big yes for convex keys.
If you decide to cut it down, maybe 2-3 of each color for Ergodox/Planck users would be a nice addition. Knowing my preferences I'd take R1 as well as R4's.
Just say that you need and if some people also support you i will definitely look into it ;) So as i understand you would love to see row1 for tumb cluster top keys right? If someone support this idea just quote and answer with +.
Post by: e_l_tang on Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:46:49
Just a question to everybody. Is there anybody who is looking forward to use an entire convex bottom row on his/her planck? If there is no body, i might reduce these convex keys only for raise/lower and 2u key. Thanks in advance.
Personally, I find the idea intriguing. I don't know if it's my cup of tea, but I'd pay a few dollars more just to try it out.
As an Ergodox user I can see those convex keys being useful on the thumb cluster, too. I use 3 R1 keys for the topmost three keys there, so my guess is that if I don't like them in the bottom row, I can use them in the thumb cluster to have more prominent and easy to access keys. ((see attachment))Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170424/632aab2ed5630d9ceb4461bc4bb7ae20.jpg)
In short: I vote for versatility/expandability which is supposed to be a big yes for convex keys.
If you decide to cut it down, maybe 2-3 of each color for Ergodox/Planck users would be a nice addition. Knowing my preferences I'd take R1 as well as R4's.
Just say that you need and if some people also support you i will definitely look into it ;) So as i understand you would love to see row1 for tumb cluster top keys right? If someone support this idea just quote and answer with +.
Row 1 keycaps are just what he's currently using. He's saying that he'd like to try using convex keycaps in their place. However, there is no longer a sufficient number of convex keycaps in the kit to cover an ErgoDox thumb cluster.
Edit: So I recommend adding four 1u dark blue convex keycaps and two 1u light blue convex keycaps (some Grid Planck users may want to have the entire middle 4u section of the bottom row be blue).
Post by: pattulus on Tue, 25 April 2017, 13:55:38
Just a question to everybody. Is there anybody who is looking forward to use an entire convex bottom row on his/her planck? If there is no body, i might reduce these convex keys only for raise/lower and 2u key. Thanks in advance.
Personally, I find the idea intriguing. I don't know if it's my cup of tea, but I'd pay a few dollars more just to try it out.
As an Ergodox user I can see those convex keys being useful on the thumb cluster, too. I use 3 R1 keys for the topmost three keys there, so my guess is that if I don't like them in the bottom row, I can use them in the thumb cluster to have more prominent and easy to access keys. ((see attachment))Show Image(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170424/632aab2ed5630d9ceb4461bc4bb7ae20.jpg)
In short: I vote for versatility/expandability which is supposed to be a big yes for convex keys.
If you decide to cut it down, maybe 2-3 of each color for Ergodox/Planck users would be a nice addition. Knowing my preferences I'd take R1 as well as R4's.
Just say that you need and if some people also support you i will definitely look into it ;) So as i understand you would love to see row1 for tumb cluster top keys right? If someone support this idea just quote and answer with +.
Row 1 keycaps are just what he's currently using. He's saying that he'd like to try using convex keycaps in their place. However, there is no longer a sufficient number of convex keycaps in the kit to cover an ErgoDox thumb cluster.
To clarify things: I like to place the tallest keys available on the thumb cluster (like in the image above). So, if there are any Ergodox out there who find this useful, too, back me up. If you haven't tried it, I urge you to do so (= super convenient). If it doesn't happen, no worries.
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 26 April 2017, 00:48:18
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 April 2017, 15:08:22
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.
(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)
(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 26 April 2017, 15:57:14
Update.It looks like two dark blue convex keycaps are still missing for the ErgoDox thumb cluster, but other than that the kit is looking really good!
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Post by: mathiasn on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:01:23
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Thanks for the ISO Enter Novelty!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:02:49
Update.It looks like two dark blue convex keycaps are still missing for the ErgoDox thumb cluster, but other than that the kit is looking really good!
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
That should be no problem i'll add it with next update. The goal is to allow you to build that you desire ;)
Edit: like this right?
(http://i.imgur.com/FSvrMFd.png)
Post by: e_l_tang on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:10:42
Perfect!Update.It looks like two dark blue convex keycaps are still missing for the ErgoDox thumb cluster, but other than that the kit is looking really good!
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
That should be no problem i'll add it with next update. The goal is to allow you to build that you desire ;)
Edit: like this right?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FSvrMFd.png)
Post by: ski_ on Wed, 26 April 2017, 16:28:28
+1.Perfect!Update.It looks like two dark blue convex keycaps are still missing for the ErgoDox thumb cluster, but other than that the kit is looking really good!
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
That should be no problem i'll add it with next update. The goal is to allow you to build that you desire ;)
Edit: like this right?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FSvrMFd.png)
I love the addition options this provides the ergodox. Can't wait! :-)
Post by: runswithflowers on Wed, 26 April 2017, 21:56:55
Post by: palindrome on Wed, 26 April 2017, 23:25:23
Post by: ricyuyc on Wed, 26 April 2017, 23:40:01
The additional keys on ergodox kit are really great, could you reserve half of those vertical 2u(row2) keys as blank?Update.It looks like two dark blue convex keycaps are still missing for the ErgoDox thumb cluster, but other than that the kit is looking really good!
Ergodox/planck kit
- Added the requested keys. Having options is always better and the added keys makes it only few bucks pricier. Anyway i prefer variety. I think this kit can also suit a planck with row 1.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Q5ElXvx.png)
Novelties
- Added ISO enter cosmonaut helmet novelty. Thanks for voting :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
That should be no problem i'll add it with next update. The goal is to allow you to build that you desire ;)
Edit: like this right?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FSvrMFd.png)
Post by: Terceler on Thu, 27 April 2017, 00:09:28
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Question for people familiar with how GMK does their larger key profiles:
The "R3" 2U vertical keys are they a different profile from the "R2" 2U verical keys (e.g. in the Ergodox kit) or the numpad + and Enter keys.
I like to have my Ergodox thumb keys be two different profiles so I can feel the difference between them and I'm wondering if that means I should get the Novelties kit for 2 extra different 2U profile keys.
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 27 April 2017, 01:43:04
Hey T0m, will you consider adding the Apple Command key for the mod kit? Would love to have a complete Apple mod grouping for this set. Thanks!
It's already discussed and the conclusion is this kit will be OS free, means there will be no winkey or command key neither. I'm with you about the command key but having no winkey is already a solution for us ;)
Post by: palindrome on Thu, 27 April 2017, 08:14:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 27 April 2017, 13:18:52
At this point i'd like to say all kits are finalized, which means i do not take any suggestions. I might do some fixes but no more significant changes.
Hey T0m, will you consider adding the Apple Command key for the mod kit? Would love to have a complete Apple mod grouping for this set. Thanks!
Sorry not this time.
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Question for people familiar with how GMK does their larger key profiles:
The "R3" 2U vertical keys are they a different profile from the "R2" 2U verical keys (e.g. in the Ergodox kit) or the numpad + and Enter keys.
I like to have my Ergodox thumb keys be two different profiles so I can feel the difference between them and I'm wondering if that means I should get the Novelties kit for 2 extra different 2U profile keys.
Yes + and enter are different. However i would not do that, since enter is pretty weird profile and we got already so much new stuff its already beyond good and evil. At this point its just enough. There was nothing like this before.
Post by: yokken on Thu, 27 April 2017, 15:46:59
Post by: tinyprawn on Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:04:11
HYPE and et cetera.
Post by: Jedi on Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:43:23
Sorry about being impatient and not reading the 25 full pages ... why is this taking so long to get to the group buy phase? It's attracting a huge following and I think as soon as it hits a GB site, it'll clear MOQ for the main kit. Ergo will probably pass eventually.
HYPE and et cetera.
This drop is already in the pipeline. There were many items that T0mb3ry and the community worked on for this set that were not completely finalized. This set has compatibility now for many more keyboards now due in part to the long interest check. The plan to go to group buy phase has been in place since day 1 but a good well thought out interest check is critical in making kits hit MOQ. Bear in mind there have been many many sets that went to group buy phase (nearly three or four a month) so timing this group buy was also a factor.
Look at it this way, only a few more weeks to go right?
Post by: e_l_tang on Thu, 27 April 2017, 23:21:07
Nothing new but just updated the ergodox/planck kit on the front page.Of course the 2u keycaps in the space bar kit are going to be convex, correct?
At this point i'd like to say all kits are finalized, which means i do not take any suggestions. I might do some fixes but no more significant changes.Hey T0m, will you consider adding the Apple Command key for the mod kit? Would love to have a complete Apple mod grouping for this set. Thanks!
Sorry not this time.
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Question for people familiar with how GMK does their larger key profiles:
The "R3" 2U vertical keys are they a different profile from the "R2" 2U verical keys (e.g. in the Ergodox kit) or the numpad + and Enter keys.
I like to have my Ergodox thumb keys be two different profiles so I can feel the difference between them and I'm wondering if that means I should get the Novelties kit for 2 extra different 2U profile keys.
Yes + and enter are different. However i would not do that, since enter is pretty weird profile and we got already so much new stuff its already beyond good and evil. At this point its just enough. There was nothing like this before.
Post by: Terceler on Fri, 28 April 2017, 01:36:32
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Question for people familiar with how GMK does their larger key profiles:
The "R3" 2U vertical keys are they a different profile from the "R2" 2U verical keys (e.g. in the Ergodox kit) or the numpad + and Enter keys.
I like to have my Ergodox thumb keys be two different profiles so I can feel the difference between them and I'm wondering if that means I should get the Novelties kit for 2 extra different 2U profile keys.
Yes + and enter are different. However i would not do that, since enter is pretty weird profile and we got already so much new stuff its already beyond good and evil. At this point its just enough. There was nothing like this before.
Cool, thanks for the answer!
I will probably still purchase the novelties kit regardless because it looks so nice! If I switch back to fullsize keyboard.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 29 April 2017, 02:35:41
Of course the 2u keycaps in the space bar kit are going to be convex, correct?Sure ;)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/chL3lCI.png)
Question for people familiar with how GMK does their larger key profiles:
The "R3" 2U vertical keys are they a different profile from the "R2" 2U verical keys (e.g. in the Ergodox kit) or the numpad + and Enter keys.
I like to have my Ergodox thumb keys be two different profiles so I can feel the difference between them and I'm wondering if that means I should get the Novelties kit for 2 extra different 2U profile keys.
Yes + and enter are different. However i would not do that, since enter is pretty weird profile and we got already so much new stuff its already beyond good and evil. At this point its just enough. There was nothing like this before.
Cool, thanks for the answer!
I will probably still purchase the novelties kit regardless because it looks so nice! If I switch back to fullsize keyboard.
Sorry i totaly missed the context. Sure you can use the vertical enters from novelties with ergodox keys. (the ergodox vertical keys are same shape/row as +). However before you invest money try it out with some cheap cherry set. As i said the enter is quite odd profile but it fits the numpad well. In case of ergodox someone has to try it out first and make his own opinion about it.
Sorry about being impatient and not reading the 25 full pages ... why is this taking so long to get to the group buy phase? It's attracting a huge following and I think as soon as it hits a GB site, it'll clear MOQ for the main kit. Ergo will probably pass eventually.
HYPE and et cetera.
This Set introduces many new things which needed it time. Also rushing sets is always bad idea.
Post by: crapybara on Sat, 29 April 2017, 11:42:48
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 29 April 2017, 11:45:51
Will the Cyrillic keycaps be available in the anticipated May drop?
I think the plan is to start with the base set and see how it sells, and then release more kits such as the Cryillic, icon mods, etc. depending on how well the base set is selling.
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 30 April 2017, 05:50:33
Post by: giammin on Sun, 30 April 2017, 05:55:49
With this being sold via Massdrop there probably won't be an option for EU-shipping, right? :(
why?? massdrop usually ship to eu
Post by: duynguyenle on Sun, 30 April 2017, 06:35:10
With this being sold via Massdrop there probably won't be an option for EU-shipping, right? :(
Massdrop will ship keycaps to Europe
Post by: Konjungamo on Sun, 30 April 2017, 07:30:05
With this being sold via Massdrop there probably won't be an option for EU-shipping, right? :(
Massdrop will ship keycaps to Europe
Sorry, that was worded poorly, I was talking about shipping with an EU-proxy to avoid them going to the US first and being sent from there.
Shipping from the US usally results in a 30-40% increase in price because of custom fees and import taxes.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 30 April 2017, 07:43:50
With this being sold via Massdrop there probably won't be an option for EU-shipping, right? :(
Massdrop will ship keycaps to Europe
Sorry, that was worded poorly, I was talking about shipping with an EU-proxy to avoid them going to the US first and being sent from there.
Shipping from the US usally results in a 30-40% increase in price because of custom fees and import taxes.
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.
Edit: Found out there are some EU countries with harsch custom fees (not taxes). Well hope MD will get some kind of EU proxy someday.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 30 April 2017, 07:45:41
With this being sold via Massdrop there probably won't be an option for EU-shipping, right? :(
They do, but enjoy your customs tax :'(
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:04:22
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.
Edit: Found out there are some EU countries with harsch custom fees (not taxes). Well hope MD will get some kind of EU proxy someday.
Yea, that's confused me in the past too - Portugal also has fairly high import taxes (not VAT), however I have not paid them for Massdrop products a single time yet (caps, keyboards, headphones, amplifiers, even watches, you name it) - in fact, I received my RAMA M10 pad last week and I didn't even pay VAT for it, more often than not the products I get sent from MD actually bypass customs due to the fact that DHL sends them to Germany first before their arrival here meaning the re-brand probably confuses our less than observant staff and they just assume it is a German package rather than American.
It's an extremely strange phenomenon, guess some other country's customs are just more competent than yours and mine.
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 30 April 2017, 09:26:14
That's very informative, Vigrith! I have yet to order from MD, but customs in Portugal are absolutely atrocious. The staff is lazy, the service is atrocious and the service charges pile up rather quickly. I once payed twice a watch's worth to get it off customs.Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.
Edit: Found out there are some EU countries with harsch custom fees (not taxes). Well hope MD will get some kind of EU proxy someday.
Yea, that's confused me in the past too - Portugal also has fairly high import taxes (not VAT), however I have not paid them for Massdrop products a single time yet (caps, keyboards, headphones, amplifiers, even watches, you name it) - in fact, I received my RAMA M10 pad last week and I didn't even pay VAT for it, more often than not the products I get sent from MD actually bypass customs due to the fact that DHL sends them to Germany first before their arrival here meaning the re-brand probably confuses our less than observant staff and they just assume it is a German package rather than American.
It's an extremely strange phenomenon, guess some other country's customs are just more competent than yours and mine.
So basically any public service around these parts
Post by: yokken on Sun, 30 April 2017, 12:57:49
Will the Cyrillic keycaps be available in the anticipated May drop?
I think the plan is to start with the base set and see how it sells, and then release more kits such as the Cryillic, icon mods, etc. depending on how well the base set is selling.
I would certainly buy Cyrillic. I don't know if there's been a poll but we should do one now if kit availability is still up in the air.
Post by: mBass on Sun, 30 April 2017, 14:57:21
I would certainly buy Cyrillic. I don't know if there's been a poll but we should do one now if kit availability is still up in the air.
Seconded
Post by: BlackInk on Sun, 30 April 2017, 20:56:24
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 30 April 2017, 21:18:42
So DSA Miami Dolch is dropping on May 1st. What about Yuri? Mid May?
I'm not aware of any specific time frame nor am I affiliated with the drop/MD in any way but from my experience I've yet to see two custom set drops in perfect succession - assuming Miami has the run time sets usually do (20~ days) then I'd say Yuri's looking at end of May.
Probably for the better to be honest, we need as many sales here as we can get to enable all the special kits, dropping it RIGHT after would probably affect them both in a less than positive way.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 May 2017, 03:36:03
(http://i.imgur.com/B4OR9AA.png)
I would certainly buy Cyrillic. I don't know if there's been a poll but we should do one now if kit availability is still up in the air.No poll needed. This decision is not up to me but Massdrop. I can only suggest.
So DSA Miami Dolch is dropping on May 1st. What about Yuri? Mid May?Nobody knows. Not even me. Probably directly after DSA Miami Dolch or after few days. Though May is little bit unusual, since MD does only one custom keyset per month. Seems the schedule is pretty tight right now.
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.
Edit: Found out there are some EU countries with harsch custom fees (not taxes). Well hope MD will get some kind of EU proxy someday.
Yea, that's confused me in the past too - Portugal also has fairly high import taxes (not VAT), however I have not paid them for Massdrop products a single time yet (caps, keyboards, headphones, amplifiers, even watches, you name it) - in fact, I received my RAMA M10 pad last week and I didn't even pay VAT for it, more often than not the products I get sent from MD actually bypass customs due to the fact that DHL sends them to Germany first before their arrival here meaning the re-brand probably confuses our less than observant staff and they just assume it is a German package rather than American.
It's an extremely strange phenomenon, guess some other country's customs are just more competent than yours and mine.
The german customs work very well. Its not that they are lazy or missed something. Its just we got only import taxes (which are same as "Value-added" tax of 19%) and no fees. And this is how it should be everywhere.
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 01 May 2017, 04:27:16
The german customs work very well. Its not that they are lazy or missed something. Its just we got only import taxes (which are same as "Value-added" tax of 19%) and no fees. And this is how it should be everywhere.
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I guess the stereotype of German efficiency is true after all.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 May 2017, 04:49:02
I guess the stereotype of German efficiency is true after all.
Its not that they check every packeage btw incoming good. They check them randomly, because its impossible to check every package.
However every package which misses proper documents will be always checked completely. In that case you have to drive to customs show them thats inside, explain them that it is and that it is good for and after everything is cleared up, you have to pay import import taxes. Then you can take your packeage with you home.
In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Post by: jihadu on Mon, 01 May 2017, 09:14:29
Thanks for the rundown, t0m.I guess the stereotype of German efficiency is true after all.
Its not that they check every packeage btw incoming good. They check them randomly, because its impossible to check every package.
However every package which misses proper documents will be always checked completely. In that case you have to drive to customs show them thats inside, explain them that it is and that it is good for and after everything is cleared up, you have to pay import import taxes. Then you can take your packeage with you home.
In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Post by: SpinahVieh on Mon, 01 May 2017, 10:58:23
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.Goes for Germany, too. If it passes 150€ value you have to declare customs which adds ~10%, so you end up with a 30% increase in price.
In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Just to add to that: Sometimes you even have to go to there when proper documents are attached, specifically when the customs office in Frankfurt is overworked. Learned that when I asked why I had to get mine myself.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:04:42
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.Goes for Germany, too. If it passes 150€ value you have to declare customs which adds ~10%, so you end up with a 30% increase in price.In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Just to add to that: Sometimes you even have to go to there when proper documents are attached, specifically when the customs office in Frankfurt is overworked. Learned that when I asked why I had to get mine myself.
Thanks for the info about the markup for > 150 valued items. Thats good to know.
Post by: pattulus on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:05:14
Post by: Theconejo on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:45:29
Edit: I'm sure this has been asked/purposed before and I understand this isn't really the place to talk about it but its a bit on topic with the current discussion.
Post by: kmba on Mon, 01 May 2017, 11:53:22
Post by: gnmar2723 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:09:12
It gets asked all the time, and I believe the answer is because gmk won't split the shipment. They ship to whoever paid and no one else.
If only MD had an EU warehouse...
Post by: ChitownM2 on Mon, 01 May 2017, 12:50:40
It gets asked all the time, and I believe the answer is because gmk won't split the shipment. They ship to whoever paid and no one else.
If only MD had an EU warehouse...
It will probably never happen because it would be a huge headache for MD. MD is a U.S. based company and we have no VAT tax here so the pricing you see on the site reflects that. If they were to add a EU warehouse/proxy then you would not get the same pricing. It would be increased by the VAT which is usually the bulk of the extra costs that EU customers see. For this reason alone, MD will likely never have their own EU warehouse as they would then have to collect VAT tax and remit it to the appropriate governments. I'd have to imagine that's a huge pain in the ass they don't want to deal with since currently they don't have to collect or remit any taxes.
Post by: hansichen on Mon, 01 May 2017, 13:44:23
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.Goes for Germany, too. If it passes 150€ value you have to declare customs which adds ~10%, so you end up with a 30% increase in price.In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Just to add to that: Sometimes you even have to go to there when proper documents are attached, specifically when the customs office in Frankfurt is overworked. Learned that when I asked why I had to get mine myself.
Above 150€ customs are charged. For most products there are 0% custom fees. Normal fees are 1-10% and they can go up to 30-40% with several items. For keycaps these should be 0% so you don't have to pay more. If you buy clothes, some electrical products or other stuff you may pay more. There is a list at the customs website of you and to check or you can also send them a mail and ask for clarification about these fees.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 01 May 2017, 14:12:25
Thats not the truth. I am from germany and import taxes are the same as usual taxes 19%. Thus it makes no difference. The only thing you probably pay more is the international shipping.Goes for Germany, too. If it passes 150€ value you have to declare customs which adds ~10%, so you end up with a 30% increase in price.In case the package has proper documents attached, the postal/delivery service delivers it to you door but to get it you have to pay import taxes first.
Just to add to that: Sometimes you even have to go to there when proper documents are attached, specifically when the customs office in Frankfurt is overworked. Learned that when I asked why I had to get mine myself.
Above 150€ customs are charged. For most products there are 0% custom fees. Normal fees are 1-10% and they can go up to 30-40% with several items. For keycaps these should be 0% so you don't have to pay more. If you buy clothes, some electrical products or other stuff you may pay more. There is a list at the customs website of you and to check or you can also send them a mail and ask for clarification about these fees.
Actually at customs they told me that computer parts dont have fees and have even lower import taxes. I might mix something since it was long time ago.
Anyway i think Massdrop might get someday a warehouse here in EU, since EU is a bigger market than US (US ~300mil citizens VS EU over 500mil). And i think its not actually a problem to utilize VAT in the current MD system.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 02 May 2017, 02:45:48
when gmk sell a keyset to US they dont have to add VAT because they are selling goods outside EU
if we had an EU proxy we will have a price higher respect to MD US price of about 22%
Yes, now we pay an higher shipping cost but they are far less then VAT mainly for high price goods like keyset or keyboard
If we are lucky the package is not intercepted by customs, otherwise we pay max about 15$ more than what we would pay if there were a MD proxy.
what IMHO would be great is to combine shipping to eu inseted of an EU proxy. an example: for my gmk carbon keyset i paid shipping 3 times (base+novelties+spacebar)
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 02 May 2017, 02:50:26
asking for a massdrop proxy in eu is shortsighted idea, an example:
when gmk sell a keyset to US they dont have to add VAT because they are selling goods outside EU
if we had an EU proxy we will have a price higher respect to MD US price of about 22%
Yes, now we pay an higher shipping cost but they are far less then VAT mainly for high price goods like keyset or keyboard
If we are lucky the package is not intercepted by customs, otherwise we pay max about 15$ more than what we would pay if there were a MD proxy.
what IMHO would be great is to combine shipping to eu inseted of an EU proxy. an example: for my gmk carbon keyset i paid shipping 3 times (base+novelties+spacebar)
Uhm, that is not correct. GMK does not add VAT if they ship to a vendor, not because it's outside of EU. Once the vendor sells to the customer, that's when VAT is applied. And from my experience, everything from MD will go through customs. So what EU people would gain is lower shipping costs, faster shipping and no custom fees (and by fees I mean fees not VAT/tax).
We really need to make a proper wiki entry on how import/export works that we can link to whenever this topic comes up.
Post by: giammin on Tue, 02 May 2017, 03:04:17
correct but then MD had to add VAT when they sell to final costumers
Uhm, that is not correct. GMK does not add VAT if they ship to a vendor, not because it's outside of EU. Once the vendor sells to the customer, that's when VAT is applied.
And from my experience, everything from MD will go through customs. So what EU people would gain is lower shipping costs, faster shipping and no custom fees (and by fees I mean fees not VAT/tax).
not in my experience. italy here
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 02 May 2017, 04:01:34
I bought twice through Massdrop and both times I had to pay customs duties. I paid Italy's VAT (22%) on the declared amount (shipping included) plus a € 5,00 fee to Poste Italiane who handles the customs clearance and shipping.And from my experience, everything from MD will go through customs. So what EU people would gain is lower shipping costs, faster shipping and no custom fees (and by fees I mean fees not VAT/tax).
not in my experience. italy here
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:41:42
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Post by: Theconejo on Tue, 02 May 2017, 14:51:44
Post by: packman86 on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:02:56
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:05:15
Just for info.
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Are all the updated kits on the first page?
Post by: stillzman on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:36:23
Post by: T0mb3ry on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:49:01
Just for info.
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Are all the updated kits on the first page?
Yes all the kits on the frontpage are all up to date.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 02 May 2017, 15:51:31
Just for info.
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Are all the updated kits on the first page?
Yes all the kits on the frontpage are all up to date.
Cool thanks.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Tue, 02 May 2017, 17:56:43
I hope everyone else is as excited as I am for the greatest GMK set of all time :thumb:
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 02 May 2017, 18:21:54
Would you put up a poll on MD or some where here so we can tally up support for this T0mb3ry?
Post by: ns90 on Tue, 02 May 2017, 18:54:47
Post by: mBass on Tue, 02 May 2017, 19:51:14
Post by: Jedi on Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:48:04
If I had to spend all of my money on emergency spleen surgery on the day before this drops, I'd still find a way to buy this set.
People also ask
Why is the spleen removed?
What does the spleen do in the human body?
Can you live without a spleen?
Technically, people can live with no kidneys, but require dialysis. Spleen: The spleen filters blood and helps the body fight infections, but it's not essential for survival.
TLDR; You'll be fine :thumb:
Post by: mBass on Tue, 02 May 2017, 23:27:25
People also ask
Why is the spleen removed?
What does the spleen do in the human body?
Can you live without a spleen?
Technically, people can live with no kidneys, but require dialysis. Spleen: The spleen filters blood and helps the body fight infections, but it's not essential for survival.
TLDR; You'll be fine :thumb:
I've been meaning to replace my spleen with new keycaps anyway.
Post by: Terceler on Tue, 02 May 2017, 23:56:35
Just for info.
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Congrats! I am super excited for this and will be looking out for it.
Post by: Meitachi on Wed, 03 May 2017, 01:13:51
Post by: dblack on Wed, 03 May 2017, 02:02:39
Post by: rioc on Wed, 03 May 2017, 02:17:21
Post by: giammin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 02:47:17
I bought twice through Massdrop and both times I had to pay customs duties. I paid Italy's VAT (22%) on the declared amount (shipping included) plus a € 5,00 fee to Poste Italiane who handles the customs clearance and shipping.
I paid custom only one time on MD (5 order total) and 3 times from tens of shipping form US over the past years
I informed massdrop about their invoice which wrongly does not split shipping costs. after that the orders i received from them where correctly specified in the invoice
Post by: kamisamamizu on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:04:18
Are the f and j keys on the standard ansi layout scooped? I know there are two barred ones.
In the render it seems they are scooped, but I want to be sure.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 May 2017, 12:21:01
I wanted to ask you something.
Are the f and j keys on the standard ansi layout scooped? I know there are two barred ones.
In the render it seems they are scooped, but I want to be sure.
Every properly designed GMK keyset comes with scooped homing keys.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:07:25
Cosmonaut
(http://i.imgur.com/qdClI5t.png)
Yuri latin
(http://i.imgur.com/yNF0q5K.png)
Yuri cyrillic
(http://i.imgur.com/XJ2QQsb.png)
VOTE HERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12888573)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:14:31
Vote for tray picture. Keep in mind, tray has white background.
CosmonautShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/qdClI5t.png)
Yuri latinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/yNF0q5K.png)
Yuri cyrillicShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/XJ2QQsb.png)
VOTE HERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12888573)
Definitely the Cosmonaut, but will be fun to see whatever the outcome.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:17:33
Vote for tray picture. Keep in mind, tray has white background.
CosmonautShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/qdClI5t.png)
Yuri latinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/yNF0q5K.png)
Yuri cyrillicShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/XJ2QQsb.png)
VOTE HERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12888573)
Definitely the Cosmonaut, but will be fun to see whatever the outcome.
Yeah i prefer cosmonaut too. Its minimalistic, simple and playfull.
Post by: BlackInk on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:22:15
Post by: giammin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:24:24
i'm the only one who love the Yuri cyrillic
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:26:01
wow
i'm the only one who love the Yuri cyrillic
Nope, same
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:47:49
Post by: rioc on Wed, 03 May 2017, 15:54:03
i'm definitely buying Cryllic Kit. those alphas + icon mods = something never seen before :eek:
defo!
cyrillic & icon mods = <3
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:33:06
Post by: duynguyenle on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:37:58
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 03 May 2017, 16:40:21
Post by: yokken on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:07:50
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:10:14
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:15:17
I'm so into this right now. Man i hope that DC kit hits MOQ. Cherry profile Colemak caps would be special.
I'll be adding one DC kit as my brother uses dvorak and a Cyrillic to help tip. Not sure if I'm buying a set for myself though =\
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:29:27
I'm so into this right now. Man i hope that DC kit hits MOQ. Cherry profile Colemak caps would be special.
I'll be adding one DC kit as my brother uses dvorak and a Cyrillic to help tip. Not sure if I'm buying a set for myself though =\
Yeah I think I'll be in for a cyrillic as well, would suck if it didn't tip.
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 17:46:49
I'm so into this right now. Man i hope that DC kit hits MOQ. Cherry profile Colemak caps would be special.
I'll be adding one DC kit as my brother uses dvorak and a Cyrillic to help tip. Not sure if I'm buying a set for myself though =\
Yeah I think I'll be in for a cyrillic as well, would suck if it didn't tip.
And the idea is if it tips then gmk can do cyrillic for all the coming sets if wanted.
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 18:09:12
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 18:21:56
Soooo when is this expected to drop?
probably end of the month early next month, that was the idea way back.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 03 May 2017, 18:32:30
Soooo when is this expected to drop?
Just for info.
I've submited all the kits to MD. As i said they are finalized.
Expect the drop in the second half of May. All kits will be available from the start. ;)
I dont expect every kit to tip, since this will cause some kind revolution because of so many new things. But we shall see.
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 18:41:03
I might have to check it out when it drops, see how much it is. I would quite like to get all the kits but I don't think I'm going to be able to afford it. I've not even opened my GMK Hydro set yet hah.
I really do want to get this set though damn.
Post by: ns90 on Wed, 03 May 2017, 19:43:34
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 19:44:20
Damn. Massdrop eh?Could always sell hydro if it comes down to it.
I might have to check it out when it drops, see how much it is. I would quite like to get all the kits but I don't think I'm going to be able to afford it. I've not even opened my GMK Hydro set yet hah.
I really do want to get this set though damn.
Post by: katushkin on Wed, 03 May 2017, 20:48:55
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 03 May 2017, 21:34:03
Yeah... But it's Squirtle themed and I love Squirtle :'(
...but you haven't opened it, haha. How about I trade you this massive squirtle for it and then you won't be so sad. There is a 4 year old that you can sort of see next to it.
More
(https://i.imgur.com/q45ZkDF.jpg)
Post by: katushkin on Thu, 04 May 2017, 00:01:28
Post by: crapybara on Thu, 04 May 2017, 10:31:10
Will the Cyrillic keycaps be available in the anticipated May drop?
I think the plan is to start with the base set and see how it sells, and then release more kits such as the Cryillic, icon mods, etc. depending on how well the base set is selling.
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
Post by: packman86 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 13:15:32
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 04 May 2017, 13:25:26
How long should we expect to wait for this keyset to ship from MD?
6-12 weeks longer than they say you'll have to wait.
GMK is very delay prone because of their giant backlog.
Post by: Meitachi on Thu, 04 May 2017, 14:33:16
Vote for tray picture. Keep in mind, tray has white background.
CosmonautShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/qdClI5t.png)
Yuri latinShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/yNF0q5K.png)
Yuri cyrillicShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/XJ2QQsb.png)
VOTE HERE (http://www.strawpoll.me/12888573)
I'm all for minimalism on packaging but dang it all if Cyrillic doesn't look amazing. Still, Cosmonaut edges it out just enough for me.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 14:51:03
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
You don't have to vote any more, don't worry, as per T0mb3ry's last update they'll be making every kit available from the get go and seeing how that turns out, Cyrillic included. All you gotta do is wait for the end of May for the drop to start.
Post by: crapybara on Thu, 04 May 2017, 15:07:01
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
You don't have to vote any more, don't worry, as per T0mb3ry's last update they'll be making every kit available from the get go and seeing how that turns out, Cyrillic included. All you gotta do is wait for the end of May for the drop to start.
Thanks and good to know~ Now we play the waiting game :thumb:
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 04 May 2017, 15:09:33
Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
You don't have to vote any more, don't worry, as per T0mb3ry's last update they'll be making every kit available from the get go and seeing how that turns out, Cyrillic included. All you gotta do is wait for the end of May for the drop to start.
I dont think it will be end of May. More probably few days right after DSA Miamy Dolch. Mid of May.
Post by: renzpwns on Thu, 04 May 2017, 15:16:05
Looks like it's time for me to save up so I can afford most of the kits. :eek:Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
You don't have to vote any more, don't worry, as per T0mb3ry's last update they'll be making every kit available from the get go and seeing how that turns out, Cyrillic included. All you gotta do is wait for the end of May for the drop to start.
I dont think it will be end of May. More probably few days right after DSA Miamy Dolch. Mid of May.
Post by: gnmar2723 on Thu, 04 May 2017, 15:37:41
Looks like it's time for me to save up so I can afford most of the kits. :eek:Thanks for the reply and sorry for the trouble (this is the first cap set I've ever been interested in; still new to this mass drop thing).
The base kit looks like it's cyrillic on massdrop- is that the one I should vote for if I want the cyrillic kit? Thanks again!
You don't have to vote any more, don't worry, as per T0mb3ry's last update they'll be making every kit available from the get go and seeing how that turns out, Cyrillic included. All you gotta do is wait for the end of May for the drop to start.
I dont think it will be end of May. More probably few days right after DSA Miamy Dolch. Mid of May.
Yup. Time for spring cleaning Round 2 for me!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 04 May 2017, 17:50:52
I dont think it will be end of May. More probably few days right after DSA Miamy Dolch. Mid of May.
Oh ****, yea I probably shouldn't have said end of May, I lose track of time some times last thing I wanna do is misinform people.
Post by: jebbra on Thu, 04 May 2017, 23:04:45
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 05 May 2017, 00:38:15
Cyrillic kit with icon mods kit looks great, but I'd still have to get the base kit on top of that to get F keys and a space bar (or the spacebar kit)...
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 05 May 2017, 01:02:53
Cyrillic kit with icon mods kit looks great, but I'd still have to get the base kit on top of that to get F keys and a space bar (or the spacebar kit)...
The kits you've mentioned are Addons for the base set. Though you can buy them without a base set if you want to mix it with different sets. Also you can get cyrillics and icon mods to cover a 60% board. But still keep in mind these are thought as Addons for the base set. Thats the real purpose...
Post by: Kavik on Fri, 05 May 2017, 10:47:17
Cyrillic kit with icon mods kit looks great, but I'd still have to get the base kit on top of that to get F keys and a space bar (or the spacebar kit)...
The kits you've mentioned are Addons for the base set. Though you can buy them without a base set if you want to mix it with different sets. Also you can get cyrillics and icon mods to cover a 60% board. But still keep in mind these are thought as Addons for the base set. Thats the real purpose...
Yeah, I understand. I didn't mean for that to come across as a complaint. More just thinking/planning out loud.
Post by: ideus on Fri, 05 May 2017, 11:19:31
Cyrillic kit with icon mods kit looks great, but I'd still have to get the base kit on top of that to get F keys and a space bar (or the spacebar kit)...
The kits you've mentioned are Addons for the base set. Though you can buy them without a base set if you want to mix it with different sets. Also you can get cyrillics and icon mods to cover a 60% board. But still keep in mind these are thought as Addons for the base set. Thats the real purpose...
I need an Yuri Icon set in my life.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 06 May 2017, 14:38:58
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sat, 06 May 2017, 14:46:27
Post by: digisax on Wed, 10 May 2017, 10:18:51
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 10 May 2017, 10:24:24
The Cyrillic kit and the ErgoPlanck kit looks to be enough to cover an Ergodox, is that true and will it be possible order them without the base kit?
Base kit will be not mandatory in order to get some of the child deals. So yes you can get cyrillics and ergodox to cover an ergodox or planck. Or you can get cyrillics and icon mods in order to cover a 60% board but not above.
Post by: digisax on Wed, 10 May 2017, 11:04:10
The Cyrillic kit and the ErgoPlanck kit looks to be enough to cover an Ergodox, is that true and will it be possible order them without the base kit?
Base kit will be not mandatory in order to get some of the child deals. So yes you can get cyrillics and ergodox to cover an ergodox or planck. Or you can get cyrillics and icon mods in order to cover a 60% board but not above.
Very cool, looks like I found the new caps for my Ergodox, well when they're available.
Post by: packman86 on Wed, 10 May 2017, 12:06:12
The Cyrillic kit and the ErgoPlanck kit looks to be enough to cover an Ergodox, is that true and will it be possible order them without the base kit?
Base kit will be not mandatory in order to get some of the child deals. So yes you can get cyrillics and ergodox to cover an ergodox or planck. Or you can get cyrillics and icon mods in order to cover a 60% board but not above.
Very cool, looks like I found the new caps for my Ergodox, well when they're available.
Same for me. This will be my endgame board. Ergodox with Yuri. I cannot wait!
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:27:46
Drop will go live on 5/17 ;)
Post by: thad on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:28:48
GMK Yuri dropsite is open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)Hallelujah!
Drop will go live on 5/17 ;)
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Post by: Meitachi on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:35:34
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set?
It's happening, it's happening!!!
Post by: pattulus on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:42:32
GMK Yuri dropsite is open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)
Drop will go live on 5/17 ;)
Great. I'll make a collage for Pinterest, hoping I can get some people from there to help reach the sales goal.
Final questions from my side:
1. Which keys from the icon modifier set are 1.5u?
2. Are two of the cosmonaut helmet keys in the Novelties Kit 1.5u?
Post by: BlackInk on Thu, 11 May 2017, 15:57:47
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:06:47
GMK Yuri dropsite is open (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)
Drop will go live on 5/17 ;)
Great. I'll make a collage for Pinterest, hoping I can get some people from there to help reach the sales goal.
Final questions from my side:
1. Which keys from the icon modifier set are 1.5u?
2. Are two of the cosmonaut helmet keys in the Novelties Kit 1.5u?
Thanks for spreading the word :)
1. Last row in icon modifiers are 1.5u and are considered for covering WKL. But you might use those for ergodox if you like.
2. Exactly. Hope to see them also on the bottom row of HHKB :)
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:18:02
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 May 2017, 16:28:15
Wishing you nothing but the absolute best of luck, T0mb3ry. This set deserves to succeed handily and I'll be happy to do my fair share by picking up Cyrillic, Icon Mods and all the novelty kits as soon as they go up. Depending on sales I might pick up a base kit further down the line, too.
Thanks Vigrith :) This was quite long project and i hope it was worth all the time and effort.
Post by: futurecrime on Thu, 11 May 2017, 17:00:55
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 11 May 2017, 17:29:13
Post by: yokken on Thu, 11 May 2017, 17:37:45
Post by: T0mb3ry on Thu, 11 May 2017, 17:56:47
(http://i.imgur.com/S3dBj0W.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/yT0VElg.png)
Post by: elfick on Thu, 11 May 2017, 18:01:08
Post by: Sissy on Thu, 11 May 2017, 19:10:26
but god damn what an awful time for me and I have to assume others with all these sets in the last couple months, so damn broke. That isnt gonna stop me though.
Post by: digisax on Thu, 11 May 2017, 20:13:40
Post by: RevoTeam on Thu, 11 May 2017, 22:13:43
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 12 May 2017, 00:07:11
Post by: rioc on Fri, 12 May 2017, 02:21:49
Finally! The page is there! Gonna grab Cyrillic for sure. Can we get a GMK ortho render for the first time?
same...
my Pandas are waiting for Skog and Yuri to envelop them :D
Post by: onmybikedrunk on Fri, 12 May 2017, 03:59:11
Post by: pattulus on Fri, 12 May 2017, 04:14:58
http://i.imgur.com/YyLbDhd.jpg
(http://i.imgur.com/YyLbDhd.jpg)
Post by: Theconejo on Fri, 12 May 2017, 07:27:54
I made a quick and dirty collage to share on social media platforms:
http://i.imgur.com/YyLbDhd.jpgShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YyLbDhd.jpg)
The novelties have been updated with cosmo helmet ISO enter keys, good work though:)
Post by: kmba on Fri, 12 May 2017, 09:13:42
Post by: digisax on Fri, 12 May 2017, 09:50:37
I assume there's no chance in getting a 1.25u spacebar addition is there.. for those of us with double split space that's 2.25,1.25,2.75.
Any of the other 1.25 r4 keys should work, like the 1.25 code key or the diamond (super) key from the icon mod pack would both look good.
Post by: kmba on Fri, 12 May 2017, 10:36:21
Post by: digisax on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:00:09
Yes I realize there are compatible keys, but no orange 1.25u r4 to match the spacebar colors. Not a big deal.
Ah, gotcha. The cosmonaut helmet novelty might looks good there at least.
Post by: Theodoooore on Fri, 12 May 2017, 11:28:25
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:12:57
Post by: Flowshi on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:13:44
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:32:27
G80-3000 by Cherry
(http://i.imgur.com/hMOzL8q.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/10NrZQJ.png)
Kira by Thesiscamper
(http://i.imgur.com/nsjicXo.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/q22FjZz.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/bSkfGxp.png)
M65 by RAMA
(http://i.imgur.com/aMpKlnA.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/n7vAeyb.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8SHC7za.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/1yC8bXN.png)
I never thought to ask this, but what homing keys does the Cyrillic kit have, if any?
A and O are scooped homing keys
Post by: e_l_tang on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:33:59
Renders by Thesiscamper :)
G80-3000 by CherryShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hMOzL8q.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/10NrZQJ.png)
Kira by ThesiscamperShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nsjicXo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q22FjZz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bSkfGxp.png)
M65 by RAMAShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/aMpKlnA.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/n7vAeyb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8SHC7za.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yC8bXN.png)I never thought to ask this, but what homing keys does the Cyrillic kit have, if any?
A and O are scooped homing keys
No barred ones? If I'm not mistaken those would actually be cheaper to make.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:41:05
Renders by Thesiscamper :)
G80-3000 by CherryShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/hMOzL8q.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/10NrZQJ.png)
Kira by ThesiscamperShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/nsjicXo.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/q22FjZz.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bSkfGxp.png)
M65 by RAMAShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/aMpKlnA.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/n7vAeyb.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8SHC7za.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1yC8bXN.png)I never thought to ask this, but what homing keys does the Cyrillic kit have, if any?
A and O are scooped homing keys
No barred ones? If I'm not mistaken those would actually be cheaper to make.
Let me check this first with GMK. Right now there are only scoops homing keys.
Post by: johuu on Fri, 12 May 2017, 12:58:21
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 May 2017, 01:25:22
I think and hope we will see more ergodox renders from thesiscamper in the future :thumb:
Ergodox by Input Club
(http://i.imgur.com/MEQu3CL.png)
Post by: Kavik on Sat, 13 May 2017, 01:38:38
Post by: theillumedpanda on Sat, 13 May 2017, 02:59:42
Post by: jihadu on Sat, 13 May 2017, 10:58:42
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sat, 13 May 2017, 11:11:55
Any word on pricing yet, Tomb3ry?
The pricing will be only reavealed on drop start. Also i dont have any info about that but if even i would know, i wouldn't tell it because of NDA.
Post by: jihadu on Sat, 13 May 2017, 11:12:50
Post by: SpinahVieh on Sat, 13 May 2017, 11:58:52
Still thinking about should i get 2 sets or 1, this set is just too goodMy strategy:
1 Base set
1 Cyrillics set
1 Ergodox set
Should yield enough keycaps for a full-size board and an Ergodox
Post by: ideus on Sat, 13 May 2017, 12:38:12
Still thinking about should i get 2 sets or 1, this set is just too goodMy strategy:
1 Base set
1 Cyrillics set
1 Ergodox set
Should yield enough keycaps for a full-size board and an Ergodox
Interesting. I am considering an Icon Set. It rocks! I cannot let it pass.
Post by: Vigrith on Sat, 13 May 2017, 12:53:14
Post by: digisax on Sat, 13 May 2017, 15:11:52
Post by: jihadu on Sun, 14 May 2017, 04:09:09
Post by: ideus on Sun, 14 May 2017, 07:50:53
(http://i.imgur.com/ulJEX50.png)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 08:09:07
Could JD40/JD45/50% support be added to the Icon Mod Set? It would make this set even more Epic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ulJEX50.png)
I'd like to point out not only for you but for everyone who is trying to make suggestion for some changes. Yuri interesst check is almost two years old. There was plenty of time to make suggestion. Right now GMK and Massdrop are working on prices and i've told before the kist are final and i make only very necessary and pure cosmetic changes (like changing stepped control key from "Ctrl" to "Control").
How does it sounds if i would do everytime changes while GMK and Massdrop are trying to figure out the pricings?
I understand the excitement of you all and i appreciate it really, but i think you should think about it. I need and i do care for three parties: For YOU, for Massdrop and for GMK.
Post by: ideus on Sun, 14 May 2017, 08:12:02
Could JD40/JD45/50% support be added to the Icon Mod Set? It would make this set even more Epic.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ulJEX50.png)
I'd like to point out not only for you but for everyone who is trying to make suggestion for some changes. Yuri interesst check is almost two years old. There was plenty of time to make suggestion. Right now GMK and Massdrop are working on prices and i've told before the kist are final and i make only very necessary and pure cosmetic changes (like changing stepped control key from "Ctrl" to "Control").
How does it sounds if i would do everytime changes while GMK and Massdrop are trying to figure out the pricings?
I understand the excitement of you all and i appreciate it really, but i think you should think about it. I need and i do care for three parties: For YOU, for Massdrop and for GMK.
It is understandable, but being this set so special, it worth asking, considering that these small boards are a new thing. Thank you for making this a reality.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:10:13
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:16:46
Small change in cyrillics kit. It will get also bared homing keys ;)Fantastic. I'm looking forward to the drop very much.
Post by: digisax on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:26:43
Small change in cyrillics kit. It will get also bared homing keys ;)
Quick question about the cyrillic kit, I've seen renders both with and without the full number row, just wanted to know if it does come with the full row or not?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 14:49:34
Small change in cyrillics kit. It will get also bared homing keys ;)
Quick question about the cyrillic kit, I've seen renders both with and without the full number row, just wanted to know if it does come with the full row or not?
quick answer: this is the cyrillics kit and this is that you get (see below)
Render is done by my buddy Oblotzky ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/77cXnDZ.jpg)
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:12:58
GMK told me there is an issue with menu icon. The thing is that the menu icon is three straight horizontal lines. However if aligned to the left side, these lines will appear slightly warped, due to the concave keyshape (remember Chrerry profile is cylindrical). So it will be optical illusion, which will make the lines not straight. In that case GMK is suggesting to make the diamond and menu symbols centered.
So here is the render so you can see better.
(http://i.imgur.com/jCzrTDH.png)
First row is the current alignment.
Second row is suggested by GMK.
Anyway i'd like to start a poll for it. If you dont understand the issue, just ask again and i'll try to explain it in a different way.
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
If you vote for the left alignment then gmk will make it, but you've been warned about possible issues ;)
Post by: digisax on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:27:53
Small change in cyrillics kit. It will get also bared homing keys ;)
Quick question about the cyrillic kit, I've seen renders both with and without the full number row, just wanted to know if it does come with the full row or not?
quick answer: this is the cyrillics kit and this is that you get (see below)
Render is done by my buddy Oblotzky ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/77cXnDZ.jpg)
Awesome, that'll look great on my Ergodox
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:38:57
Ok people i need to do a very important poll here.
GMK told me there is an issue with menu icon. The thing is that the menu icon is three straight horizontal lines. However if aligned to the left side, these lines will appear slightly wrapped, due to the concave keyshape (remember Chrerry profile is cylindrical). So it will be optical illusion, which will make the lines not straight. In that case GMK is suggesting to make the diamond and menu symbols centered.
So here is the render so you can see better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jCzrTDH.png)
First row is the current alignment.
Second row is suggested by GMK.
Anyway i'd like to start a poll for it. If you dont understand the issue, just ask again and i'll try to explain it in a different way.
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
If you vote for the left alignment then gmk will make it, but you've been warned about possible issues ;)
What are your thoughts if it goes centred in the end, T0mb3ry? Or what you're thinking yourself overall.
I personally wouldn't mind either, though I'm leaning to Centred, just to match the 1u variants. Apart from that, it doesn't really bother me.
Also, did GMK say anything about the 1.25u Ctrl and Alt Icons?
Post by: gnmar2723 on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:40:15
Ok people i need to do a very important poll here.
GMK told me there is an issue with menu icon. The thing is that the menu icon is three straight horizontal lines. However if aligned to the left side, these lines will appear slightly wrapped, due to the concave keyshape (remember Chrerry profile is cylindrical). So it will be optical illusion, which will make the lines not straight. In that case GMK is suggesting to make the diamond and menu symbols centered.
So here is the render so you can see better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jCzrTDH.png)
First row is the current alignment.
Second row is suggested by GMK.
Anyway i'd like to start a poll for it. If you dont understand the issue, just ask again and i'll try to explain it in a different way.
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
If you vote for the left alignment then gmk will make it, but you've been warned about possible issues ;)
So the menu and diamond icons are the only ones affected? Everything else should be fine right?
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:45:18
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
Ok people i need to do a very important poll here.
GMK told me there is an issue with menu icon. The thing is that the menu icon is three straight horizontal lines. However if aligned to the left side, these lines will appear slightly wrapped, due to the concave keyshape (remember Chrerry profile is cylindrical). So it will be optical illusion, which will make the lines not straight. In that case GMK is suggesting to make the diamond and menu symbols centered.
So here is the render so you can see better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jCzrTDH.png)
First row is the current alignment.
Second row is suggested by GMK.
Anyway i'd like to start a poll for it. If you dont understand the issue, just ask again and i'll try to explain it in a different way.
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
If you vote for the left alignment then gmk will make it, but you've been warned about possible issues ;)
What are your thoughts if it goes centred in the end, T0mb3ry? Or what you're thinking yourself overall.
I personally wouldn't mind either, though I'm leaning to Centred, just to match the 1u variants. Apart from that, it doesn't really bother me.
It does not bother me too. Actually it makes the diamond and menu symbols to stand out in a good way, since they are little bit different in usage from control and alternative keys. In the end i can understand GMKs concerns about the alignment.
However i am not really an icon user. Many of you probably know i appreciate the icon + word modifiers. In that case i'd like to know more your opinion about it.
Ok people i need to do a very important poll here.
GMK told me there is an issue with menu icon. The thing is that the menu icon is three straight horizontal lines. However if aligned to the left side, these lines will appear slightly wrapped, due to the concave keyshape (remember Chrerry profile is cylindrical). So it will be optical illusion, which will make the lines not straight. In that case GMK is suggesting to make the diamond and menu symbols centered.
So here is the render so you can see better.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jCzrTDH.png)
First row is the current alignment.
Second row is suggested by GMK.
Anyway i'd like to start a poll for it. If you dont understand the issue, just ask again and i'll try to explain it in a different way.
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
If you vote for the left alignment then gmk will make it, but you've been warned about possible issues ;)
So the menu and diamond icons are the only ones affected? Everything else should be fine right?
Exactly. Everything else will stay as it is.
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:50:55
Also I feel like you might want to reiterate in the poll that only those couple keys would be centered and everything else would remained left aligned.
Post by: mBass on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:56:29
Post by: pattulus on Sun, 14 May 2017, 15:58:31
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 16:08:43
VOTE HERE FOR MENU AND DIOMOND SYMBOL ALIGNMENT (http://www.strawpoll.me/12965454)
In the end the alignment with the most votes will be taken for Diamond and Menu symbols. GMK explained their concerns and made only suggestion, but how it will be done is up to you. The only thing you need to do is to vote ;)
Post by: _joe_king on Sun, 14 May 2017, 16:20:24
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 16:44:09
It does not bother me too. Actually it makes the diamond and menu symbols to stand out in a good way, since they are little bit different in usage from control and alternative keys. In the end i can understand GMKs concerns about the alignment.
However i am not really an icon user. Many of you probably know i appreciate the icon + word modifiers. In that case i'd like to know more your opinion about it.
I primarily use those Diamond keys for Fn and bottom shortcuts, so it doesn't bother if it centred or not. I appreciate all three variants, icon, text or both.
I'm just trying to visualise how 'wrapped' the caps will be if it remained on the left because I don't think it'll look that bad? Especially the Diamond.
For the Menu Icon, I'm using the Left Arrow key as my base visual, and I don't think it looks all that bad or 'wrapped'. This is just me in the end.
Here's a quick rough photoshop example on how I see it IF it is on the left - to me, doesn't look to bad. Then again this is dyesub, but it shouldn't be too far off with GMK's DS. Ignore the 1u size.
[attach=1]
This is what the centred Diamond looks like from Orig's GMK set
http://i.imgur.com/Ml6EJi7.jpg?1 (http://i.imgur.com/Ml6EJi7.jpg?1)
I'm just wondering if this is the same thoughts/concerns they suggested to Orig about the Diamond looking a little wrapped.
These are all my thoughts, for now, T0mb3ry. Do share any further thoughts you may have :)
In the end, I'm content with it staying left or being centred, not overly fussed about it.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Sun, 14 May 2017, 17:04:20
It does not bother me too. Actually it makes the diamond and menu symbols to stand out in a good way, since they are little bit different in usage from control and alternative keys. In the end i can understand GMKs concerns about the alignment.
However i am not really an icon user. Many of you probably know i appreciate the icon + word modifiers. In that case i'd like to know more your opinion about it.
I primarily use those Diamond keys for Fn and bottom shortcuts, so it doesn't bother if it centred or not. I appreciate all three variants, icon, text or both.
I'm just trying to visualise how 'wrapped' the caps will be if it remained on the left because I don't think it'll look that bad? Especially the Diamond.
For the Menu Icon, I'm using the Left Arrow key as my base visual, and I don't think it looks all that bad or 'wrapped'. This is just me in the end.
Here's a quick rough photoshop example on how I see it IF it is on the left - to me, doesn't look to bad. Then again this is dyesub, but it shouldn't be too far off with GMK's DS. Ignore the 1u size.
(Attachment Link)
This is what the centred Diamond looks like from Orig's GMK set
http://i.imgur.com/Ml6EJi7.jpg?1 (http://i.imgur.com/Ml6EJi7.jpg?1)
I'm just wondering if this is the same thoughts/concerns they suggested to Orig about the Diamond looking a little wrapped.
These are all my thoughts, for now, T0mb3ry. Do share any further thoughts you may have :)
In the end, I'm content with it staying left or being centred, not overly fussed about it.
I am pretty neutral in this case. Without any issues btw concerns from GMKs side, i would definitely go for left alignment. However there might be issues. So i'd like to make it just your way.
I am loking at T and Z keys. Which display the warping very well. It does not mean also T and Z look bad because you can see the shape of the key. They look good, because the lines are short.
There is also another older Menu key. This one however is centered. It has straight horizontal lines too. I think it was done by Cherry. So my question is why didn't they made it left aligned like other icons? I think they faced same issues and this is why its done centered.
To everybody:
Keep the discussion and vote. By voting dont look on what i am writing. Vote for what you really want. If you appreciate left aligned symbols then vote for them.
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 14 May 2017, 17:38:03
Diamond and Menu centered
(http://i.imgur.com/enVvyot.jpg)
All bottom row icons centered
(http://i.imgur.com/6fh9iZP.jpg)
Post by: Owl- on Sun, 14 May 2017, 18:19:50
I am pretty neutral in this case. Without any issues btw concerns from GMKs side, i would definitely go for left alignment. However there might be issues. So i'd like to make it just your way.
I am loking at T and Z keys. Which display the warping very well. It does not mean also T and Z look bad because you can see the shape of the key. They look good, because the lines are short.
There is also another older Menu key. This one however is centered. It has straight horizontal lines too. I think it was done by Cherry. So my question is why didn't they made it left aligned like other icons? I think they faced same issues and this is why its done centered.
To everybody:
Keep the discussion and vote. By voting dont look on what i am writing. Vote for what you really want. If you appreciate left aligned symbols then vote for them.
The Diamond and the three line Icon menu will be clear I'm sure if you see T and Z are good. They're not heavily detailed icons, just minimalistic.
Are you talking about these old menu icons?:
https://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img_0731_11.jpg (https://dangwang.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/img_0731_11.jpg)
https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/originative-cyrillic1_grande_9bb1fc18-d4b6-4443-ad5a-062c1329d1b9_grande.jpg?v=1486505490 (https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0267/1905/products/originative-cyrillic1_grande_9bb1fc18-d4b6-4443-ad5a-062c1329d1b9_grande.jpg?v=1486505490)
https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/9/c/auerbach-opf-d-91275-g81-3000-r-m-cherry-mechanical-vintage-keyboard-ps-2-new-fca667ff0bdd48fa9d32ed49b10ad748.jpg (https://d2ydh70d4b5xgv.cloudfront.net/images/9/c/auerbach-opf-d-91275-g81-3000-r-m-cherry-mechanical-vintage-keyboard-ps-2-new-fca667ff0bdd48fa9d32ed49b10ad748.jpg)
They're aligned to the left. Just Orig's Cyrillic is centred.
I'm good with Oblotzky's suggestion about having the bottom centred. Though that isn't my call.
Post by: e_l_tang on Sun, 14 May 2017, 19:19:57
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 14 May 2017, 22:41:28
Btw t0m, I still feel the Control icon is too big compared to the others, or is it the diamond that's too small? Just letting this out of my chest, especially after seeing Oblotzky's renders ;D
Post by: Oblotzky on Sun, 14 May 2017, 23:35:00
Would it be possible for GMK to produce some samples?
No, they have to make the molds according to what is picked
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 May 2017, 13:31:07
We need to give it a try. In case there will be issue, so its not that bad. In GMK Carbon round 2 we can always switch to centered alignment. And ofcourse if Yuri ends up succesful then there will bes second round with centered diamond and alt symbols (if there are issues).
Thank you!
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 May 2017, 13:56:07
if Yuri ends up succesful ...
Stating the obvious: Yuri will be a success, for sure. New sets that incorporate innovative features have been successful and yours has many: the colorway, the Cyrillic, is DS, is Cherry profile and has brand-new designed Icons, a first in Cherry profile double shots. There is no way it does not pull demand.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:18:35
Base kit
(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kit
(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kit
(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon Modifiers
(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kit
(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
Novelties
(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kit
(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keys
(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kit
(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:21:43
Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.Are there supposed to be row 3 keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb cluster? In the Cyrillic kit the slashes and backslashes are too horizontal in my opinion and there are no scooped homing keys.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
Post by: digisax on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:29:17
Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
I love that Cyrillic kit, the doubleshot cyrillic keys should be well worth the effort/expense.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:33:39
Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.Are there supposed to be row 3 keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb cluster? In the Cyrillic kit the slashes and backslashes are too horizontal in my opinion and there are no scooped homing keys.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
That row 3 is probably error will note this.
In case of slashes. These are only renders and they do not represent the real end result. For example latin alphas in render have different font as they are in reality. In that case the angle of these backslashes is not really the representation of how they will be. I suppose the backslashes will have the same angles as on other keys. Anyway i'll note this.
Post by: e_l_tang on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:47:15
If you look closely at the Cyrillic kit you will see that the "A" and "O" keycaps were rendered as ordinary keycaps. To be on the safe side, I think you should check with GMK that they are going to have scoops.Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.Are there supposed to be row 3 keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb cluster? In the Cyrillic kit the slashes and backslashes are too horizontal in my opinion and there are no scooped homing keys.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
That row 3 is probably error will note this.
In case of slashes. These are only renders and they do not represent the real end result. For example latin alphas in render have different font as they are in reality. In that case the angle of these backslashes is not really the representation of how they will be. I suppose the backslashes will have the same angles as on other keys. Anyway i'll note this.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Mon, 15 May 2017, 16:54:26
Agree. Noted.If you look closely at the Cyrillic kit you will see that the "A" and "O" keycaps were rendered as ordinary keycaps. To be on the safe side, I think you should check with GMK that they are going to have scoops.Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.Are there supposed to be row 3 keycaps in the ErgoDox thumb cluster? In the Cyrillic kit the slashes and backslashes are too horizontal in my opinion and there are no scooped homing keys.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
That row 3 is probably error will note this.
In case of slashes. These are only renders and they do not represent the real end result. For example latin alphas in render have different font as they are in reality. In that case the angle of these backslashes is not really the representation of how they will be. I suppose the backslashes will have the same angles as on other keys. Anyway i'll note this.
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 15 May 2017, 18:38:17
Post by: Owl- on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:03:49
Post by: duynguyenle on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:19:45
There wasn't any official mention that everything in the space bar kit is convex, only the two 2u caps will be convex alongside 6u, 6.25u and 7u. The rest are concave.
Perhaps I assumed wrong. Pity :(
Post by: Owl- on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:25:02
Post by: Auk on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:41:16
Can someone explain: why is the International kit combined as it is? this set looks like it's going to be hugely successful, so are the British, German and combined Scandinavian countries each incapable of hitting MOQ on their own even on a set like this? or is it a Massdrop handling requirement to keep the International kit as a single option?
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:45:47
Hi, This set looks excellent, great job with the design :)
Can someone explain: why is the International kit combined as it is? this set looks like it's going to be hugely successful, so are the British, German and combined Scandinavian countries each incapable of hitting MOQ on their own even on a set like this? or is it a Massdrop handling requirement to keep the International kit as a single option?
Subsets of key caps for specific European Languages do not get enough demand if offered separately. This international kit is your best bet.
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 15 May 2017, 20:14:55
Hi, This set looks excellent, great job with the design :)
Can someone explain: why is the International kit combined as it is? this set looks like it's going to be hugely successful, so are the British, German and combined Scandinavian countries each incapable of hitting MOQ on their own even on a set like this? or is it a Massdrop handling requirement to keep the International kit as a single option?
They can barely do it as is. Just look at Miami Dolch, the set sold 4300 kits (which is huge) and of those both UK AND International combined sold 64. That is 1.5% of total sales almost to the dot, is that really worth it for the designer, for the manufacturer and/or for MD? The kits were super cheap too, this is going to be more expensive, without MD's help this might not even get to meet GMK's MOQ as is let alone if you split the kit further. Then you'll literally have zero chance.
Post by: thad on Mon, 15 May 2017, 21:41:25
Post by: ideus on Mon, 15 May 2017, 21:55:56
Hi, This set looks excellent, great job with the design :)
Can someone explain: why is the International kit combined as it is? this set looks like it's going to be hugely successful, so are the British, German and combined Scandinavian countries each incapable of hitting MOQ on their own even on a set like this? or is it a Massdrop handling requirement to keep the International kit as a single option?
They can barely do it as is. Just look at Miami Dolch, the set sold 4300 kits (which is huge) and of those both UK AND International combined sold 64. That is 1.5% of total sales almost to the dot, is that really worth it for the designer, for the manufacturer and/or for MD? The kits were super cheap too, this is going to be more expensive, without MD's help this might not even get to meet GMK's MOQ as is let alone if you split the kit further. Then you'll literally have zero chance.
Data that nailed the international kits affair down.
Post by: nightdriver on Tue, 16 May 2017, 00:14:30
Post by: Auk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 04:23:12
...Miami Dolch, the set sold 4300 kits...
I'm not looking to start an argument and derail the thread, I'm looking for more solid data. Where do you get the 4300 sales from? Is that all sub-kits combined? If the image on the Miami Dolch drop page is true, surely it's the ratio of International sales to base kits that we really want to know?
MOQ/price break was hit at 25 units each for UK and International (noted this is SP's MOQs, not GMK)
- 29 units of UK set
- 35 units international set
- 925 base kits
6.92% at first glance doesn't look like a big number, but I wonder if it's pretty good given the lack of visibility and marketing outside of the mechanical keyboard communities, possibly even more so given that a lot of the European enthusiasts seem to have switched to ANSI. I have more thoughts on this and some (very) embryonic ideas, but not ideal for this thread.
Thanks for the insight and pointing me toward the Miami Dolch data.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 04:34:21
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-matt3o-devtty-custom-keycap-set
Post by: Auk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 04:49:53
would it be viable to offer an alternative base kit consisting of the Cyrillic + Icon modifers? as a means to keep the price affordable(ish) for those that want that combination but can't afford everything in addition to the standard base kit
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 16 May 2017, 04:50:39
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 16 May 2017, 05:05:13
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/talk/1683339?utm_source=linkshare&referer=MLC9JN
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set/talk/1683343?utm_source=linkshare&referer=MLC9JN
Post by: TalkingTree on Tue, 16 May 2017, 07:26:43
You can buy Cyrillic or whatever kits without buying base kit.Much obliged good sir.
Post by: ideus on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:08:43
...Miami Dolch, the set sold 4300 kits...
I'm not looking to start an argument and derail the thread, I'm looking for more solid data. Where do you get the 4300 sales from? Is that all sub-kits combined? If the image on the Miami Dolch drop page is true, surely it's the ratio of International sales to base kits that we really want to know?
MOQ/price break was hit at 25 units each for UK and International (noted this is SP's MOQs, not GMK)64÷925 × 100 = 6.92
- 29 units of UK set
- 35 units international set
- 925 base kits
6.92% at first glance doesn't look like a big number, but I wonder if it's pretty good given the lack of visibility and marketing outside of the mechanical keyboard communities, possibly even more so given that a lot of the European enthusiasts seem to have switched to ANSI. I have more thoughts on this and some (very) embryonic ideas, but not ideal for this thread.
Thanks for the insight and pointing me toward the Miami Dolch data.
I'd say that the 29 UK kits are the only data that represent the case of a single Language subset, that was the question that was raised originally. Even then, UK is a very small kit, because the UK layout shares most of the keys with the US layout. Any other Language requires far more keys and have less people interested within the small keyboard aficionado world. Advertising is not really an issue here, because high quality / high cost keyboards are not for the average PC user, most interested parties are already present in the usual communication channels that has the information, forums like this and the MK market within massdrop.
Post by: pomk on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:22:44
I'd be interested to see the data suggesting that other (not uk) languages have less people interested. I have a feeling that both swe/fi and de have more people interested in mk than in the uk. I have nothing to back this claim however....Miami Dolch, the set sold 4300 kits...
I'm not looking to start an argument and derail the thread, I'm looking for more solid data. Where do you get the 4300 sales from? Is that all sub-kits combined? If the image on the Miami Dolch drop page is true, surely it's the ratio of International sales to base kits that we really want to know?
MOQ/price break was hit at 25 units each for UK and International (noted this is SP's MOQs, not GMK)64÷925 × 100 = 6.92
- 29 units of UK set
- 35 units international set
- 925 base kits
6.92% at first glance doesn't look like a big number, but I wonder if it's pretty good given the lack of visibility and marketing outside of the mechanical keyboard communities, possibly even more so given that a lot of the European enthusiasts seem to have switched to ANSI. I have more thoughts on this and some (very) embryonic ideas, but not ideal for this thread.
Thanks for the insight and pointing me toward the Miami Dolch data.
I'd say that the 29 UK kits are the only data that represent the case of a single Language subset, that was the question that was raised originally. Even then, UK is a very small kit, because the UK layout shares most of the keys with the US layout. Any other Language requires far more keys and have less people interested within the small keyboard aficionado world. Advertising is not really an issue here, because high quality / high cost keyboards are not for the average PC user, most interested parties are already present in the usual communication channels that has the information, forums like this and the MK market within massdrop.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 16 May 2017, 08:36:14
I'm not looking to start an argument and derail the thread, I'm looking for more solid data. Where do you get the 4300 sales from? Is that all sub-kits combined? If the image on the Miami Dolch drop page is true, surely it's the ratio of International sales to base kits that we really want to know?
MOQ/price break was hit at 25 units each for UK and International (noted this is SP's MOQs, not GMK)64÷925 × 100 = 6.92
- 29 units of UK set
- 35 units international set
- 925 base kits
6.92% at first glance doesn't look like a big number, but I wonder if it's pretty good given the lack of visibility and marketing outside of the mechanical keyboard communities, possibly even more so given that a lot of the European enthusiasts seem to have switched to ANSI. I have more thoughts on this and some (very) embryonic ideas, but not ideal for this thread.
Thanks for the insight and pointing me toward the Miami Dolch data.
Ditto on derailing, I'm quite certain T0mb3ry won't mind a couple semi offtopic posts; Indeed, the 4300 (4293 I believe exactly) was the total amount of kits sold, your data is perfectly sound as is your reasoning when it comes to why ISO variants don't pull their weight (plus people always complain about VAT and shipping etc).
I do however stand by the fact that the proportion of ISO/int kits sold to overall kits is what matters. Your int to base kits data is interesting and accurate but in terms of raw profit it isn't super relevant in my opinion - for example I bought all 3 novelty kits as well as both accent kits, there's no way I'll have them all on my board at once, I just did it because I thought they look very cool and want to have options; not everyone is going to make full usage of every kit they purchased but they still have to pull their weight money-wise.
Every kit has a goal to meet, regardless of whether or not almost 7% of base kits sold are going on ISO boards, as far as actual profit/money raised goes it is still 1.5% and that's what designers, manufacturers and Massdrop (have to) care about.
I'd be interested to see the data suggesting that other (not uk) languages have less people interested. I have a feeling that both swe/fi and de have more people interested in mk than in the uk. I have nothing to back this claim however.
I easily agree with that too with no data to back it up.
Post by: superdoedoe on Tue, 16 May 2017, 17:28:50
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 May 2017, 00:56:29
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-set
(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fQiJuHmLL3OxOe8mGeOusmZq9jQ=/400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8002079/rae2.gif)
Post by: Theodoooore on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:06:26
You probably should study the description ;)
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/massdrop-x-t0mb3ry-gmk-yuri-custom-keycap-setShow Image(https://cdn0.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/fQiJuHmLL3OxOe8mGeOusmZq9jQ=/400x0/filters:no_upscale()/cdn0.vox-cdn.com/uploads/chorus_asset/file/8002079/rae2.gif)
Oof, anybody want to guess what time my RP GCSE exam starts?
30 minutes before the drop starts.
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 May 2017, 01:35:20
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 17 May 2017, 02:02:14
Oh cmon People dont you see the added pricings? Even a MOQ table is there....
I see them clearly! Btw, there's no 1.5u meta in icon kit? Just realized this...
Post by: RominRonin on Wed, 17 May 2017, 03:15:18
We NEED to do some serious promotion to reach the MOQ for Dvorak/Colemak kits. I need those kits man.
Post by: Sissy on Wed, 17 May 2017, 03:58:40
Oh cmon People dont you see the added pricings? Even a MOQ table is there....This set gonna get cheap fast.
cant wait
Post by: SBJ on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:08:47
This set gonna get cheap fast.This looks so sweet. I just hope I have the dough when it drops.
cant wait
Post by: futurecrime on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:21:09
Are we there yet?
We NEED to do some serious promotion to reach the MOQ for Dvorak/Colemak kits. I need those kits man.
I'm in for it. So that's two of us at least.
Post by: dblack on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:43:22
Post by: rioc on Wed, 17 May 2017, 04:50:03
still deciding with hours to spare...
get it!
including Cyrillic, Icon mods and novelty kits!
Post by: poolside on Wed, 17 May 2017, 05:33:15
Ok got GMK renders. I've checked them for Errors and they seem to be ok. Anyway having 2 eyes is good but having more is better. Please check the kits you are intersted in and if you find any errors then please reply here, i would appreciate it.
Base kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0n7aUL9.png)
Cyrillics
Keep in mind these will cost probably more than base kit, by how much i dont know. You wanted doubleshot cyrillics? Here they are and i hope they are worth the effort ;)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7K0rc15.png)
International kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/0P4E9NU.png)
DC kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/81WKE2Y.png)
Icon ModifiersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/quJpELA.png)
Ergodox/Planck kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QXtO4lS.png)
NoveltiesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xsH9Jvq.png)
Community kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v9Fgego.png)
Glorious keysShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jpuC3BL.png)
Spacebars kitShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xpmvXwv.png)
I have noticed that the colors listed in the ErgoDox kit are incorrectly labeled. GR2 and GR3 should be BL2 and BL3 respectively.
The glorious keyset has a red on beige cap (P3 on U9). P3 looks good but wasn't this keycap meant to be used alongside GMK Red Alert? This set has V1 on U9 mods.
Post by: Owl- on Wed, 17 May 2017, 05:44:42
Post by: Theconejo on Wed, 17 May 2017, 07:39:10
Post by: rioc on Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:04:31
everybody, get Cyrillics, Icon mods and Novelties to reach MOQ! ;D
Post by: yokken on Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:26:23
Time to forget about this GB entirely until I get a shipping notification.
Post by: rioc on Wed, 17 May 2017, 08:39:45
I grabbed a bunch of kits... wow. That got spendy, quick. Also I'm really sad about the ship date, late October??? :'( :'( 5 months for a GMK set seems like a long time, even if the GB is open for 2 weeks. I really hope it doesn't take that long...
Time to forget about this GB entirely until I get a shipping notification.
yeah same... 380$ spent for October/November :P
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 17 May 2017, 09:23:19
Post by: pattulus on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:03:16
Post by: xondat on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:11:52
My guess is that it takes longer than your usual GMK order because of the vast amount of new molds being made.
I think it's just the backorder through because of other keysets.
P.S. T0mb3ry should create a GB thread in the Massdrop section as GBs can't have open threads in ICs.
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:12:59
Post by: T0mb3ry on Wed, 17 May 2017, 10:23:12
I've opened a GB thread for Yuri (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89592.0)
I'd like to share with you some renders from RevoTeam at last. The render display their Dr.D keyboard with GMK Yuri keyset. Dr.D was already as succesful GB and you should keep an eye open for upcomming GBs from RevoTeam ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/7oT8Ag8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/bwjydNh.jpg)