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Title: [IC] GMK Yugo | GB Live!
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 22 August 2019, 17:59:36
GB thread is live! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103263.0)



(https://i.imgur.com/bIoflGb.png)

The Yugo — a small, unassuming hatchback, regarded by many as one of the worst road vehicles of all time. (and with good reason) Yet, it holds a special place in the hearts of all of those who grew up somewhere in the former Yugoslavia.

And that's us!
We're YugoMK, a young, growing community of mech keyboard enthusiasts from the Balkans / ex-Yugoslavia. Our current members hail from: Croatia, Slovenia, Serbia, Bosnia, and even Sweden!

GMK Yugo is our first community project — and that's what it truly is, a community project. This means that we'll be taking no profits from the sales of the set, which in turn means lower prices for everyone. Even though it started out as a joke (and still kinda is :D ), we're now pretty serious about getting this set out there! However, it being a community set first and foremost, we've designed it exactly how we would want it — no compromises.

We invite you to discuss the set in our Discord channels: Graystudio (https://discord.gg/GdZMeWn), Emir's laboratory (https://discord.gg/G5Rzfn3).


Colors

Taking inspiration from the Yugo GV Sport (GV stands for “good value” lol), a special “sport” edition Yugo that was marketed in the US in the 80's, we've decided to go with a nice, sun-faded yellow as the base color for the whole set. The crimson, orange and brown accents were taken from the GV Sport's signature stripe.

Alphas and mods: RAL 095 90 20
Legends and accents: RAL 030 30 45
Spacebar stripes: RAL 050 50 60, RAL 030 30 45, RAL 040 20 19

(https://i.imgur.com/4bQguyy.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-095-90-20) (https://i.imgur.com/YDYcR5h.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-030-30-45) (https://i.imgur.com/eFp6q8y.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-050-50-60) (https://i.imgur.com/xZGRUTg.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-040-20-19)

Inspiration:
More
(https://i.imgur.com/RVQsUQ7.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/VNMgCyk.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/lb1Y4iQ.png) (https://i.imgur.com/rZ4CSsE.png)



Kits

Yugo 45 kit
The ubiquitous Yugo 45, the base model, the dad of all other Yugos. The everyman's car.

(https://i.imgur.com/k0fgkdF.png)

A base kit tailored to fit the needs of the community. It offers TKL coverage for YU ISO, YU ANSI and physical ANSI, while also supporting most other popular layouts: HHKB, 60%, 65%, 66-key, 75%, etc. You say Hiragana base? We say YU base!
Before I hear you say: “physical ANSI compatibility only? what??!?!” — yep, you saw it right. In good old true Yugoslav spirit, we're focusing on covering our own stuff. So yes, YU ISO support comes first. Tito would be proud. :D

Capitalism kit
yugo can into US market? Sure can, and so can you with the Capitalism kit!

(https://i.imgur.com/sCqwpo4.png)

That's not to say that you will have to pay a premium to enjoy US ANSI and US ISO compatibility with this set. Since this is a community project and we're forgoing all profits, we are aiming for a low cost for this kit from the start. We've also included an extra 2.25u Shift for those who want to use a US layout on a 66-key board.
Additionally, we've managed to include full UK ISO compatibility in the kit without increasing the price for US buyers. It's a win for both sides of the pond.

Yugo 55 kit
Yugo 45 not enough? Need a heftier machine? Add a tenkey, and there you have it — Yugo 55. What a beast.

(https://i.imgur.com/ekW4SBc.png)

Our numpad kit includes compatibility for 1800, CP, 96-key and full-size boards, plus a few extra keys that, in true auto industry fashion, we felt weren't worth including with the base kit.

Cabrio kit
Need more space in your Yugo? Pop your sunroof open and give our Cabrio kit a try!

(https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)

This kit has all your split and accented spacebar necessities. Three of the spacebars have been pimped out with the signature orange–red–brown stripe of the Yugo GV Sport. This stripe will be UV printed on the front of the caps by GMK, giving you that retro SPORT look while not sacrificing durability.
A 2u space and extra B are also included for ergo boards.

Zastava kit
The company that gave us Yugo and many other great (but mostly terrible) cars. A powerhouse of the Yugoslav economy since 1953, Zastava was based out of Kragujevac, Serbia until 2008, when it was bought out by Fiat.

(https://i.imgur.com/7sxdUDI.png)

Today we commemorate Zastava with our YU Cyrillic alphas kit — the first of its kind for GMK, and the first ever non-Russian Cyrillic kit in any custom keycap set!
The kit covers several variants of the Serbian Cyrillic layout (ISO, ANSI, split backspace), as well as offering basic support for Macedonian.
Special thanks to T0mb3ry for helping create these beautiful new Cyrillic legends.


Renders

(https://i.imgur.com/3MfPr35.png)

Westfoxtrot Cypher
Yugo 45 + Yugo 55 + Cabrio

(https://i.imgur.com/1awlB8j.png) (https://i.imgur.com/DHPhF10.png)

Noxary 280
Yugo 45 + Capitalism

(https://i.imgur.com/FWAxkfM.png) (https://i.imgur.com/jVFkGkM.png)

Dixie Bauer
Yugo 45 + Zastava + Capitalism + Cabrio

(https://i.imgur.com/hinMM4x.png) (https://i.imgur.com/LDViMTc.png)

Smith+Rune IRON165
Yugo 45 + Zastava + Capitalism + Cabrio + Artisan

(https://i.imgur.com/4yosyD8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/j1TIGYE.png)

Renders by MacSurfy


Extras

We will be offering the lovely deskmat from the renders as an option during the GB. My favorite feature: the road signs on the deskmat show the names of the capitals of the six former Yugoslav republics, in Latin and Cyrillic.

(https://i.imgur.com/gvKiXag.png)

We will also be offering an aluminum artisan cap made by Salvun. The cap is cerakoted black with silver enamel infill. It gets its distinctive shape from the classic Yugo hood badge and logo.

(https://i.imgur.com/sYqm7B4.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Oqnv4gc.jpg)

Custom cables in matching colors will also be available, courtesy of MechSoda (https://mechsoda.com/). The cables feature glow in the dark paracord (we don't condone driving without headlights at night), Techflex double sleeving, and optional coils and aviator connectors.


Group Buy

The group buy will run November 4th – December 18th 2019.

Vendors

Pricing

(https://i.imgur.com/DrTEqy8.png)


Credits and Shoutouts

Thank you to the following YugoMK community members for participating:
We're very thankful to the following people who are helping make GMK Yugo a reality:
Also, a big shoutout to you ... if you put this in your signature :D Please consider supporting our set!
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Final Notes

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 22 August 2019, 17:59:59
Changelog

2019-10-13 update
Hey guys, we have some updates for you! Some long overdue, some brand new. All of them awesome!

First and foremost, the group buy will run November 1st – December 15th 2019 via the following vendors:
  • EU – mykeyboard.eu
  • US – Kono Store
  • Asia – zFrontier
  • Oceania – Daily Clack

As for the kits, we have some updates here as well; namely:
  • Super has been replaced with System (1.25u) and Sys (1u).
    The System mold will be created for Yugo and both molds will be available for future sets to use.
  • A 1.25u convex spacebar has been added to the Cabrio kit.
  • I've added updated renders with row numbers and keycap sizes to the OP.
  • We're looking into adding UK compatibility to the Capitalism kit without increasing the price of the kit for US buyers.
The second quote request is on its way to GMK. We're pretty happy with the prices we got the first time around, and now we're looking to optimize things further and get more options. Anyway, here are the two updated kits:

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(https://i.imgur.com/k0fgkdF.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)



Deskmat reveal!
Well, kinda. You've already seen it in the renders, but since then we've updated the design and have ordered samples.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/eIkSGCz.png)


My favorite feature are the signs, which feature the names of the capitals for the six former Yugoslav republics, in Latin and Cyrillic.


We've partnered with Salvun and MechSoda to bring artisans and cables (respectively) to the group buy.
The artisan cap is cerakoted aluminum with enamel infill. It takes its distinctive shape from the classic Yugo hood badge and logo.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sYqm7B4.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/Oqnv4gc.jpg)


The cables will feature glow in the dark paracord (we don't condone driving without headlights at night) in a matching yellow color, Techflex double sleeving, and optional coils and aviator connectors. Pics of samples will be posted soon.


Last but not least, here's a photo of RAL D3 samples for the colors we picked. It's not the greatest since I took it with my phone a couple of weeks back (no white balance), but for what it's worth I thought the colors looked pretty accurate irl.

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(https://i.imgur.com/QlbHaLq.jpg)


(Yugo colors are the second yellow from the top and the bottommost red.)
We're looking into ordering our own RAL chips asap; with any luck, we'll have good quality photos of the colors in time for the start of the GB.

2019-10-31 update
Hey guys, after a few delays and some communication issues with GMK (the person in charge of Yugo went on vacation and it took some time for their colleague to get familiarized with the project), we got the final quote back last minute. We are now finalizing pricing with the vendors.

Because of this, we will have to postpone the start of the GB until Monday. The new dates are November 4th – December 18th 2019. We're very sorry for the delay!

2019-11-03 update
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/4yosyD8.png)
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(https://i.imgur.com/j1TIGYE.png)


Hey guys, the kits are finalized and the pricing is in!
Good news: we've managed to include full UK ISO compatibility in the Capitalism kit without increasing the price for US buyers. It's a win for both sides of the pond.

Yugo 45 kit
€106 @ 250 MOQ

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/k0fgkdF.png)


Capitalism kit
€34 @ 100 MOQ

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/sCqwpo4.png)


Yugo 55 kit
€39 @ 100 MOQ

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/ekW4SBc.png)


Cabrio kit
€28 @ 100 MOQ

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)


Zastava kit
€46 @ 100 MOQ

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/7sxdUDI.png)



Here's the pricing breakdown per vendor:

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(https://i.imgur.com/GtwbQIx.png)


The zFrontier pricing should be coming in early tomorrow morning.


The RAL samples have also arrived, just in time for the GB.
We'll be using these to color check the keycap samples we receive from GMK. Below are professionally taken, white balanced photos of the chips.

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(https://i.imgur.com/gqxiAbm.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/zvIrAgC.jpg)


The full album is available here. (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KLgoNM24dfTSzZ0HzC3aOa-Z0RfddeiR)


All in all, it's super exciting to see the set that we've worked on so hard on finally go into GB. Yugo is our baby. We hope you'll enjoy it.
See you tomorrow!

2019-11-04 update
The table has been updated with zFrontier's pricing.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/DrTEqy8.png)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: LXVRGS on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:04:23
Yes
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Krelbit on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:05:25
thanks i hate it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:09:21
Capitalism kit. Ide u pičku materinu.

My ****ing sides this is fantastic I'll buy it
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nasp on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:09:27
Gonna be a tough sell making 85% of users pay extra for basic compatibility, no profits or not. Anyway, it's well organized and a fun theme so good luck  :thumb:

Any novelties happening?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Woovie on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:10:09
want
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: hughtrue on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:15:15
Interested.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:17:52
You had me at Capitalism. Bless up
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:18:20
Thanks, I love it.

Would like to see prices though, because most will have to buy two kits, so that cost shouldn't be very high. Obvious, I know.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:18:26
Nasp, I worry we're the novelties
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:20:22
Random comments! (yeah... random)

- The main colors in the color scheme remind me a bit the old HP terminal keyboards. This is different enough, though.

- I absolutely DIG the red Enter keys (both vertical and horizontal — it's the color on those large keys what makes them so striking; the Esc key, not as much, on account of it being 1U).

- The Yugo 45 kit has a 2.25 Shift key, and so does the Capitalism kit. Is this correct? I missed that bit.

- The Yugo 45 kit has an R1 \| key, but I think that should be another Ž (Z with caron) key. The R1 \| should be moved to the capitalist kit. Same goes for Ж in the Zastava kit (or am I mistaken?).

- Yugo 55: is a numpad comma within the realm of possibility?

- The Capitalism kit needs two "Alt" keys (1.25U and 1.5U), to replace the "AltGr" keys in capitalist keyboards (even if "Gr" is the start of "Greed", oddly enough).

- If the Yugo 45 kit shows the ISO Enter keys first, then the ANSI ones, then the tsangan bottom row should be put first as well.  :cool:


 :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:20:44
This is cute as hell
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Bhk1004 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:22:28
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:23:50
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.
Uhhhh... Hello? Capitalism?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Bhk1004 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:30:27
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.
Uhhhh... Hello? Capitalism?
?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Full on Thu, 22 August 2019, 18:47:41
Love it!.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 22 August 2019, 19:03:10
I can with utmost sincerity say this is incredible. Well done.

Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

Don't worry buddy, I'll buy two of everything to make up for what you were intending to purchase.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: jrfhoutx on Thu, 22 August 2019, 19:55:50
Holy. ****. Yes.

Count me in. All in.

Well thought out and implemented theme, excellent color scheme.
Excellent marketing copy that explains everything well and is also amusing.
Awesome deskmat.

This is a top notch set. Well done. Seriously. Really great job on this.

Only two suggestions.
1- a Yugo novelty (the logo) or artisan (like an actual little car like the boomsnap caps cars)
2- actually sell those little Yugo matchbox cars in the renders (or link to someplace people can get them)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: VelourFog on Thu, 22 August 2019, 20:08:34
Love the color scheme.  Wheres the orange? 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: KingOfMemes on Thu, 22 August 2019, 20:18:44
I can with utmost sincerity say this is incredible. Well done.

Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

Don't worry buddy, I'll buy two of everything to make up for what you were intending to purchase.
Capitalism wins again
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Thu, 22 August 2019, 21:41:16
You'd really imagine designing a set as a community to be really difficult. Well, it was way more difficult than I imagined - but we had a lot of fun! Not for the faint of heart. 😂
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: 8six753o9 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 21:41:45
RAMA toy car?   ???
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: msting on Thu, 22 August 2019, 21:52:22
This is brilliant! So glad to see a truly new and unique set like this in our community. I'm in for a base kit & Capitalism kit and that deskmat PLEASE!
I think the colors are great too!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Thu, 22 August 2019, 22:18:07
The color way is almost reverse Jamon and looks great!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 22 August 2019, 22:19:28
lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: sapphyr on Thu, 22 August 2019, 22:25:36
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.
Uhhhh... Hello? Capitalism?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!  :thumb:

I like that this flips the entire idea of of how keysets are being built today. Love it!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 22 August 2019, 23:15:34
Two ignorant American questions:
What board could I buy in the states for the base Hugo 45 layout?
The function key in numpad-what size it? Do you use it to change layers?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: hansichen on Fri, 23 August 2019, 00:18:16
Looks nice  :thumb:

I'd only replace the 1u Super keys with something else. Super is one letter too large to properly fit onto a 1u cap. It looks cramped and not pretty.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: keyberzerker on Fri, 23 August 2019, 00:37:16
Best set of 2019!

I am very happy to be part of this and really looking forward for customer feedback and community support!


Let's make it happen!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: jimboytacos on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:11:08
I want that deskmat! Yes!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:31:03
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.
How many people do you think actually use ISO YU in the community?

Everyone's going to have incorrect legends, but ANSI users are the only ones with the opportunity to have correct legends.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: kwerdenker on Fri, 23 August 2019, 01:59:47
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

At least your child kit will make MOQ

Signed,
A NorDe kit user
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 23 August 2019, 02:07:25
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

(http://www.quickmeme.com/img/ab/abe1d070559b0e0e7803033418c16236e9bca86ab2db66f57616f79e1f23aecd.jpg)





ps; I'm an ansi user, love this set, will use it with all the incorrect legends and won't give af...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: EMC Labs on Fri, 23 August 2019, 02:14:46
Nice colours.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: phinix on Fri, 23 August 2019, 02:28:23
Very nice colors, I like it.
I was wondering, would you consider render mods in this red color? Maybe it could be an option? Just a thought...

Also, if so many people moan about separate kit, would it be possible to combine standard ANSI - Capitalism kit - in base kit?
Title: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:05:27
i don't know how many times I can mention this, run a ISO only kit see how it does...

It's been stated FROM THE START that ISO is, indeed, currently a minority, yet nowhere as small as some make it to be, nowhere as small as some niche form factors that are supported in the base kit without fuss, and for whom actual support in a base kit is nowhere as expensive as it's made to be.

"Run an X-only kit and see how it does." is a disingenious argument that would be quickly shot down if X were, for example, "65%" instead of "ISO". So why is it considered valid here? As per "picking up the slack", please read the early posts in the thread about how many differing form factors are supported in a base kit, and note that this is generally considered in the best interests of the whole hobby (except for some people who still insist on treating ISO like the plague... for reasons that are, in the best case, obsolete).
GMK Paperwork was a 40%-only set that ran and reached MOQ and shipped.
And you don’t see people complain about separate 40% kits, do you?
“Run an ISO-only GMK set (not kit) to prove the user base size” is a great idea that nobody will do because it’s more work than just typing “ISO users are huge believe me. Huge!”.
I unironically love this.
Above was what I posted in that “ne ISO avail” thread.
Let’s do this.
That said, I don’t see the orange color in any of the kit?
Title: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:09:01
Also yes this ****ing deskmat please and thank you.

(https://i.imgur.com/rkBs1fw.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: darko on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:15:54
...
That said, I don’t see the orange color in any of the kit?

Hey nguyenhiumself

we had those 4 colours proposed and we only left the main two as you see on the set, but brown and orange can be seen on the stripped spacebars, as those stripes were the only place we found them on yugo car.

Two ignorant American questions:
What board could I buy in the states for the base Hugo 45 layout?
The function key in numpad-what size it? Do you use it to change layers?

You can buy any standard TKL board in US, this kit has full ansi support.
The function key is 1.75u, which is the same size as caps lock and it is intended to replace it if you program your keyboard to have different layers on caps lock for example.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: tanega on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:50:06
Quote
regarded by many as one of the worst road vehicles of all time

Who is trashing my Fiat Uno ? č_é
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: alexbarb on Fri, 23 August 2019, 03:58:21
Well done, but the form Л, Д, У, Ч, and Ж raises questions. Л and Д of this form are not used in grotesques, although it is possible (obsolete form). Ж should be made of К and rhyme with it. X should no longer be a similar letter in Latin.
(https://i.imgur.com/Nfv20cR.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: te_dulce on Fri, 23 August 2019, 04:08:32
Beautiful! It's what I like in Pristine and Red Alert in one set. Watched

I'd like R5 bottom row but I understand there's no compromises in your guys' vision.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Bubblegum on Fri, 23 August 2019, 05:12:59
This would be cheaper without physical ANSI support in base kit. Consider taking ANSI Enter x2, 2.25u Shift and 1.5u Ž keys out of Yugo 45 kit. They could go in Capitalism kit or maybe in Yugo 55 kit?

Enough saved money for a cup of coffee? All in good fun of course. Lovely presentation and idea for a set. Interesting to see how this turns out!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 23 August 2019, 05:19:53
...
That said, I don’t see the orange color in any of the kit?

Hey nguyenhiumself

we had those 4 colours proposed and we only left the main two as you see on the set, but brown and orange can be seen on the stripped spacebars, as those stripes were the only place we found them on yugo car.


Oh oh I see those stripes now. Subtle!
I didn’t know GMK could do that. Very cool.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Fri, 23 August 2019, 05:37:04
Beautiful! It's what I like in Pristine and Red Alert in one set. Watched

I'd like R5 bottom row but I understand there's no compromises in your guys' vision.

Oh that is not the case at all, in fact - we are open to feedback!

I would like R5 too, but since this is not only my decision, it'll take some convincing on your end (IC feedback) and on my end internally as well! ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 23 August 2019, 06:11:42
Well done, but the form Л, Д, У, Ч, and Ж raises questions. Л and Д of this form are not used in grotesques, although it is possible (obsolete form). Ж should be made of К and rhyme with it. X should no longer be a similar letter in Latin.
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(https://i.imgur.com/Nfv20cR.png)


Hi, thanks for your feedback!

T0m and I had quite a lengthy discussion about this, but we came to the conclusion that the forms we chose are the best fit for the set.

The Л and Д forms you proposed are great for Russian, but they're not the best choice for Serbian, Macedonian and Bulgarian (South Slavic languages that use the Cyrillic script). There is a lot of regional variety in Cyrillic typography, and the same rules don't apply across all of it. In Latin scripts, for example, you can expect the letter L to more or less always be the same basic shape (within a single family of typefaces), but this is not always the case with Cyrillic. For example, the lowercase letter П can correctly be written one of three ways, depending on which language you're writing: п, n, ū. These and other similar variations in Cyrillic glyphs are one of the reasons why locl (locale) support was added to the OpenType font format — so that the same letters (graphemes) can be rendered as different glyphs for different languages (locales).
Here's an example animation of the differences between Russian and South Slavic (Bulgarian in this case) Cyrillic non-cursive letter forms: http://i.imgur.com/58MzPiB.gif

I agree with you regarding Ж, К and Х. T0m and I are both aware of this. However, making these adjustments within the scope of GMK Yugo is not feasible — it would require producing even more new molds than we already need (~15). We can't afford it if we want to keep the cost of the kits low. The fixes for these and other discrepancies (there's several more of them) will likely have to wait until GMK Yuri R2 rolls around :)
У and Ч are fine, they fit the style of the Helvetica Rounded / Cherry typeface well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 23 August 2019, 06:38:23
Small update to the OP: I've added a section on the extras we plan on offering during the GB: the deskmat from the renders, custom cables, as well as an idea for an artisan. We'll have more concrete info on these in the following days.

I've also added a bit of BBCode at the bottom in case you want to rock GMK Yugo in your signature :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: T0mb3ry on Fri, 23 August 2019, 06:53:52
Well done, but the form Л, Д, У, Ч, and Ж raises questions. Л and Д of this form are not used in grotesques, although it is possible (obsolete form). Ж should be made of К and rhyme with it. X should no longer be a similar letter in Latin.
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I talked already with you before about the Cyrillics. And i say it again: there are no rules which do dictate how У, Ч, and Ж should be made. Cherry font is its own thing. Those are my interpretation of those letters for Cherry font. They are not wrong and they are fine.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: geewiz on Fri, 23 August 2019, 08:07:24
IMO this is the most creative IC of the year so far! I love that you folks did it the way you did, knowing full well what common responses would be. I fully agree with the TopClack guys, very well done!

And I actually do like the colourway, so I'll pick up the base kit with the Capitalism kit if I can afford it.

Fond memories of my childhood in the 70s making friends with Yugoslavian guest worker kids...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: liebestraum on Fri, 23 August 2019, 08:33:09
I made an account just to show interest in this.  I m curious if there are plans to support 40's like the Planck.  Depending on the profile, I could always get the base w/ Zastava kit for mods too.  Defo want that Deskpad too!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:07:03
Thanks guys, really glad you like the set!

I made an account just to show interest in this.  I m curious if there are plans to support 40's like the Planck.  Depending on the profile, I could always get the base w/ Zastava kit for mods too.  Defo want that Deskpad too!
Depending on how many people show interest, we might consider a 40s kit. However, we're already pretty full on kits as is, so it'll be tough... But it's not out of the question.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:21:41
ps; I'm an ansi user, love this set, will use it with all the incorrect legends and won't give af...

Imagine caring about correct legends. The ANSI entitlement. Imagine being a keyboard enthusiast and not knowing how to or refusing to touch type in the current year.

LMAO
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: mountainblocks on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:33:07
This is utterly fantastic. I'm all in for this one. Now we just need someone to design a rust prone sheet metal case to go with it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:35:36
ps; I'm an ansi user, love this set, will use it with all the incorrect legends and won't give af...

Imagine caring about correct legends. The ANSI entitlement. Imagine being a keyboard enthusiast and not knowing how to or refusing to touch type in the current year.

LMAO

I should run an IC for GMK HOSTILE, so everyone in the modern era can benefit from a keyboard this:

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Now, with the joke out, let us stress that the creators of this set have done the right thing: the base kit supports "physical ISO" and "physical ANSI" (and both hybrids: "physical ISANSI" and "physical ANSISO") without issue, and that the real change is to start off with the legends for a national layout that isn't US English (or UK English), with an add-on kit that completes the missing bits for it. Since most of the cost will surely come off the custom molds required for the base kit, the "capitalism kit" should be rather cheap, so anyone unhappy about the "incorrect" legends should be able to easily "correct" that "mistake".

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: hansichen on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:37:29
i don't know how many times I can mention this, run a ISO only kit see how it does...

It's been stated FROM THE START that ISO is, indeed, currently a minority, yet nowhere as small as some make it to be, nowhere as small as some niche form factors that are supported in the base kit without fuss, and for whom actual support in a base kit is nowhere as expensive as it's made to be.

"Run an X-only kit and see how it does." is a disingenious argument that would be quickly shot down if X were, for example, "65%" instead of "ISO". So why is it considered valid here? As per "picking up the slack", please read the early posts in the thread about how many differing form factors are supported in a base kit, and note that this is generally considered in the best interests of the whole hobby (except for some people who still insist on treating ISO like the plague... for reasons that are, in the best case, obsolete).
GMK Paperwork was a 40%-only set that ran and reached MOQ and shipped.
And you don’t see people complain about separate 40% kits, do you?
“Run an ISO-only GMK set (not kit) to prove the user base size” is a great idea that nobody will do because it’s more work than just typing “ISO users are huge believe me. Huge!”.
I unironically love this.
Above was what I posted in that “ne ISO avail” thread.
Let’s do this.
That said, I don’t see the orange color in any of the kit?

There was actually already a German only set in 2016 which barely reached moq but was produced by GMK. And there is GMK WoB in German which was financed by Candykeys. Both of them actually support full iso-de with modifiers in German as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: depletedvespene on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:39:48
This is utterly fantastic. I'm all in for this one. Now we just need someone to design a rust prone sheet metal case to go with it.

Could we do a convincing rusty-looking paint job instead? I mean, this is the kind of thing that NEEDS to survive for a long time.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 23 August 2019, 09:49:03
Price estimates would help.  While I see the humor in the capitalism set (and actually would have no problem always paying a lil extra for ISO support in any sets since that's the focus of some of the discussion here) the issue I have is that these sets often run around 130 USD and addon kits around around 25 to 30 USD so to get something that looks the way I want I'm paying ~150-160 USD?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Full on Fri, 23 August 2019, 10:12:50
Price estimates would help.  While I see the humor in the capitalism set (and actually would have no problem always paying a lil extra for ISO support in any sets since that's the focus of some of the discussion here) the issue I have is that these sets often run around 130 USD and addon kits around around 25 to 30 USD so to get something that looks the way I want I'm paying ~150-160 USD?

Welcome to the life as an ISO-user?...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: jonowarren94 on Fri, 23 August 2019, 11:27:23
Any chance of getting the '@ and #~ keys somewhere  for UK compat, maybe to the capitalism kit?

Love the whole concept btw, awesome!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 23 August 2019, 11:43:31
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: norb on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:06:53
Price estimates would help.  While I see the humor in the capitalism set (and actually would have no problem always paying a lil extra for ISO support in any sets since that's the focus of some of the discussion here) the issue I have is that these sets often run around 130 USD and addon kits around around 25 to 30 USD so to get something that looks the way I want I'm paying ~150-160 USD?

i don't see any issue here tbh. you'll get physical ANSI support in base kit, no need to get the capitalism. as a german the first thing i learned after getting into this hobby was, that i can forget about correct legends in 99% of all groupbuys and i'm totally ok with it.
ofc i can only speak for me but i like to buy sets for aesthetic reasons, with novelties and all, because that represents the designers vision. and to this day i still regret not getting the cyrillics kit back in 2017 when GMK Yuri R1 got released.

depending on my funding situation in november i'm totally down for this, even if i don't dig the colors that much, but just to support our european mech bois and the idea you're bringing to life! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: alexbarb on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:13:20

The above example is still more relevant to the antiqua (with what in the Italic style). If you do not trust me, then try to consult with native speakers involved in font design. Good luck with the project! ;)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:15:06
You guys are so laser focused on this ANSI vs ISO debate it's ridiculous.  I think price estimates would help the interest check.  That's all.  If this is going to be some weird posturing of '**** ansi' then I'll wait 6 months until someone re-runs the same "colourway"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: audiosl4ve on Fri, 23 August 2019, 12:40:13
You guys are so laser focused on this ANSI vs ISO debate it's ridiculous.  I think price estimates would help the interest check.  That's all.  If this is going to be some weird posturing of '**** ansi' then I'll wait 6 months until someone re-runs the same "colourway"

Just be little paitent, price estimates will be revealed. No need to be overdramatic
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Fri, 23 August 2019, 13:14:45
The reason ics aren't posted with pricing immediately is because they are looking for kit feedback before reaching out to gmk. Gmk doesn't let you continuously ask for quotes, and will start charging you for them.

We will ask for quotes when we are confident in the kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: 1391401 on Fri, 23 August 2019, 13:19:37
Makes sense.  I wasn't trying to rush.  Frankly I don't care about timing cause hell I'm still waiting on group buys to deliver my stuff from 2014.  But I figured estimates may ease the tension people would have with having to buy the extra kit.  I'll see myself out -->
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: kokoon on Fri, 23 August 2019, 14:44:17
Keyset with an attitude, I love it! I really don't need another GMK kit, but I'll get it just to support you guys. Well that, and I'll now actually be able to make one of my boards speak my native language - Slovenian ;)

Signed - once ISO, now ANSI user (because it's too difficult to ISO in mk world)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nguyenhimself on Fri, 23 August 2019, 20:51:12
Any chance of getting the '@ and #~ keys somewhere  for UK compat, maybe to the capitalism kit?

Love the whole concept btw, awesome!
Genius!
I agree.
This set’s entire premise is hilarious (in a good way).
Let’s keep it that way.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: timbaaa on Fri, 23 August 2019, 23:33:09
Very interested :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: mlnr on Fri, 23 August 2019, 23:50:58
heck yes, that desk mat will go very well with rama go-kart
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: juusu on Sat, 24 August 2019, 03:26:58
GMK doubleshots with ČĆŽŠĐ, **** yeah! Never thought I'd see the day! I'm IN!!!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 24 August 2019, 04:40:35
Would you consider going for R0-R5 with this set? Somehow the colorway feels like one that can pull it off.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 24 August 2019, 08:13:05
Big reply incoming!

Price estimates would help.  While I see the humor in the capitalism set (and actually would have no problem always paying a lil extra for ISO support in any sets since that's the focus of some of the discussion here) the issue I have is that these sets often run around 130 USD and addon kits around around 25 to 30 USD so to get something that looks the way I want I'm paying ~150-160 USD?
We realize that this is the crux of the matter. We would be willing to work around pricing if it came to that, but we hope it won't be necessary since we're forgoing all profits to ensure the kits are as affordable as possible. We will know for sure once we get the first quotes from GMK; as Emir said, that will happen when we feel the majority is happy with the kits. For now though, the basic layout of the kits (ANSI in Capitalism) is definitely staying as it is.

Keyset with an attitude, I love it! I really don't need another GMK kit, but I'll get it just to support you guys. Well that, and I'll now actually be able to make one of my boards speak my native language - Slovenian ;)
GMK doubleshots with ČĆŽŠĐ, **** yeah! Never thought I'd see the day! I'm IN!!!
Živjo! Zdravo! One of my favorite things with this set so far has been meeting new Jugo peeps who are in the MK community :D Glad to have you guys on board!

- The Yugo 45 kit has an R1 \| key, but I think that should be another Ž (Z with caron) key. The R1 \| should be moved to the capitalist kit. Same goes for Ж in the Zastava kit (or am I mistaken?).

- The Capitalism kit needs two "Alt" keys (1.25U and 1.5U), to replace the "AltGr" keys in capitalist keyboards (even if "Gr" is the start of "Greed", oddly enough).
We're aware of this. We decided to go with just a R1 \| because we felt the other options wouldn't be used very frequently (neither by us nor others). It helps cut a few keys. Nice catch, though.
Similar reasoning applies to the "Alt" keys.

- Yugo 55: is a numpad comma within the realm of possibility?
Not a bad idea! I'll add it to my things-to-consider list. Thanks for your feedback!

I'd only replace the 1u Super keys with something else. Super is one letter too large to properly fit onto a 1u cap. It looks cramped and not pretty.
I think 1u Super looks fine. We were originally considering System for 1.25u, 1.5u (we think the molds already exists; waiting on confirmation from GMK) and Sys for 1u. If we can squeeze it into the budget, we might go that route after all!

The above example is still more relevant to the antiqua (with what in the Italic style). If you do not trust me, then try to consult with native speakers involved in font design. Good luck with the project! ;)
I see why you would think it's antiqua, but we actually use the modified forms regardless of style. Look up болгарица or болгарская кириллица, it's a related concept. I'm a native Serbian speaker and am into typography. Thanks! :)

Any chance of getting the '@ and #~ keys somewhere  for UK compat, maybe to the capitalism kit?
We've had a couple of requests for this. The Capitalism kit would be the spot to put them, yeah. However, the problem is that in order to support ISO-UK properly, we would need four extra keys, and we're really trying to keep Capitalism down, if you know what I mean.

Also, I love one of the comments we got regarding ISO-UK support in the Capitalism kit:
“Because it wouldn't be historically accurate if Americans weren't financing the UK's interests.” :D

Would you consider going for R0-R5 with this set? Somehow the colorway feels like one that can pull it off.
We've had a few requests for this as well. We'll have to talk about it, see if it's something that we would use, consider the practical implications, gauge interest, and then decide if we're going to offer R0 or not. Thanks for the suggestion.

What about making glagolitic your hiragana?
Now this man is asking the real questions :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: fer.real on Sat, 24 August 2019, 11:18:22
I love this set, it's the best one to come out in a long time and I think it will rank with the all-time greats!  I'm a lifetime ANSI user and I think the non-ANSI layout adds to the charm.  I'm definitely in, and might not even buy the capitalism kit.

Kit suggestions:
The Yugo 55 kit has extra keys like the 1.75u Function and the extra (2.25u?) shift that don't seem to fit with a numpad kit.  I think those keys should either go in the base kit or the capitalism kit and the Yugo 55 kit should be kept strictly as a numpad kit.

Edit:
I would also love it if the toy car in the renders came with the deskmat.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 24 August 2019, 15:36:54
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: mrkantz on Sat, 24 August 2019, 17:13:56
I love everything about this, definitely in

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 24 August 2019, 22:05:01
Will it be possible to order the deskmat separately?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: lightsout714 on Sat, 24 August 2019, 23:02:53
I really enjoyed reading through the op.

Yugo=Yugoslavia, who knew.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Sun, 25 August 2019, 02:57:26
Will it be possible to order the deskmat separately?

Yes it'll be available as a standalone.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: EMC Labs on Sun, 25 August 2019, 03:05:42
Nice colours  :thumb: but nope.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 26 August 2019, 13:30:37
have been playing around with very similar colors for a while now, glad to finally see these colors in actual nice looking renders! love the inspiration too, looking like a must-buy for me  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: mr.squishy on Mon, 26 August 2019, 13:32:45
Love it. Especially love the "Capitalist Kit"
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 27 August 2019, 07:54:05
This set is growing on me, love the turning of tables to have ANSI kit a separate than ISO, never seen a Yugo in Canada to date but love this colour scheme, simple and pleasing on eye.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: InvidiousIgnoramus on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:20:12
I am legally obligated to support awful things, and this is wonderfully awful.

Recommended reading, by the way. https://www.amazon.com/Yugo-Rise-Fall-Worst-History/dp/0809098911

Speaking of the story of the Yugo coming to America, would there be any way to get a cap in reference to Malcom Bricklin?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: sagadoi on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:44:38
Any possible for adding Capitalism kit to base?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: KingOfMemes on Tue, 27 August 2019, 10:49:49
Any possible for adding Capitalism kit to base?
I'm fairly certain the whole point is to not do that lol
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: aleck on Tue, 27 August 2019, 23:12:00
Tito would be proud. I dig it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: juusu on Wed, 28 August 2019, 12:29:01
+1 for R0
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:24:33
R0 is cool. Is it 20 USD / Euro cool at 250 MOQ? To me, no, but I'm sure that's a discussion point. Would love to hear a pair of quotes with and without R0 to get a sense of what it cost.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Wed, 28 August 2019, 17:37:36
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

(https://i.imgur.com/p6bgs6H.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Kokaloo on Wed, 28 August 2019, 17:45:35
Sorry cant support this. You are taking the largest group that buys anything keeb related and forcing a child kit on them to have their correct legends. out of principle im out. someone send me a message or something if it gets combined.

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(https://pics.me.me/moshi-moshi-bait-desu-39369459.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Daggerfall on Thu, 29 August 2019, 06:06:39
Very interested!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 29 August 2019, 06:28:40
Interested.
Will there be novelties?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 29 August 2019, 08:10:29
And I'm kinda serious about glagolitic. Maybe not doubleshot by GMK, but hey, we've had Futhark (first Dye-Sub then doubleshot) and even Vulcanian.

It's a good idea. Definitely not for this set, but it's something to keep in mind for the future, especially for dye-sub PBT. I think the community would dig Glagolitic — it's a really cool, quirky and obscure writing system (especially the angular variety that was popular in these parts). It would make for great dye-sub legends imo.


Any possible for adding Capitalism kit to base?

I replied to a similar question a few messages back:
[...] We would be willing to work around pricing if it came to that, but we hope it won't be necessary since we're forgoing all profits to ensure the kits are as affordable as possible. We will know for sure once we get the first quotes from GMK; as Emir said, that will happen when we feel the majority is happy with the kits. For now though, the basic layout of the kits (ANSI in Capitalism) is definitely staying as it is.


Interested.
Will there be novelties?

Yes, check the OP! We're currently in talks with an artisan, more details to follow soon. Sorry, just realized you were asking about novelties, not artisans.
There are novelty spacebars (front UV printed orange–red–brown stripes like on the Yugo GV Sport) in the Cabrio kit. 1 piece of feedback I'd be interested in hearing is whether you guys think we should include the SPORT text with the stripes as well.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 29 August 2019, 09:19:39

There are novelty spacebars (front UV printed orange–red–brown stripes like on the Yugo GV Sport) in the Cabrio kit. 1 piece of feedback I'd be interested in hearing is whether you guys think we should include the SPORT text with the stripes as well.

IMHO, that would be a tad too much (but WDIKAA).
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Poesjuh on Thu, 29 August 2019, 09:22:03
Flipped spacebar support


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: ideus on Thu, 29 August 2019, 20:03:46
Interesting. Let see the final cost and maybe we can talk. I wonder how many would want to use foreign legends just for the sake of exoticism.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Mcnos on Thu, 29 August 2019, 20:10:33
Does a RAMA Yugo model car come included?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 29 August 2019, 20:15:03
not the crimson and cream we wanted
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: nasp on Thu, 29 August 2019, 21:27:49
Thanks guys, really glad you like the set!

I made an account just to show interest in this.  I m curious if there are plans to support 40's like the Planck.  Depending on the profile, I could always get the base w/ Zastava kit for mods too.  Defo want that Deskpad too!
Depending on how many people show interest, we might consider a 40s kit. However, we're already pretty full on kits as is, so it'll be tough... But it's not out of the question.

Ortho evangelist here. Can't tell if you do, but if there's a 2u spacebar in the spacebar kit, you'd only need 4-1u keys to support minimum ortho

R2: Out
R3: Data or Read
R4: Shift and Enter
these molds exist

That's it! I hope you will consider adding.

Again, love the theme!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 31 August 2019, 04:54:25
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: synchromatik on Sat, 31 August 2019, 07:27:18
^ r2 special edition bricked yugo :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 01 September 2019, 18:17:53
The YugoMK crew hard at work making decisions about the future of the set:

(https://i.imgur.com/8sjHKGW.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: ideus on Sun, 01 September 2019, 18:50:51
The YugoMK crew hard at work making decisions about the future of the set:

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(https://i.imgur.com/8sjHKGW.jpg)

Hard working people.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Mon, 02 September 2019, 13:55:27
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: kolicivan on Mon, 02 September 2019, 17:58:05
The YugoMK crew hard at work making decisions about the future of the set:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/8sjHKGW.jpg)


Опа, драго ми је да има колега у хобију у Србији и региону.
Углавном ме сви гледају ко лудака кад објашњавам шта су механичке тастатуре  и што дајем 200-300€ на тастатуре.

Translation:
Wow, I'm glad I have some fellow hobbyists in Serbia and in the region.
Mostly people are watching me as a weirdo for spending 200-300€ on a keyboard and ranting about them.

Живела СФРЈ Југославија :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: juusu on Thu, 05 September 2019, 06:00:41
Haven't seen it mentioned - have you considered adding proper yu layout tertiary legends, either in base or as an add-on kit?

stuff like curly braces on B and N, @ on V etc ...

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: audiosl4ve on Thu, 05 September 2019, 06:01:54
We have, but it would be way to much new molds and cost would go up a lot. And this way it looks cleaner and little less clunky.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Fri, 06 September 2019, 13:50:23
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: AT on Mon, 09 September 2019, 10:09:00
 Reserved , Резервиши да се неби мајци са бандере смејао  :thumb: .
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: AKNYANG on Thu, 19 September 2019, 11:49:48
I'm in!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 26 September 2019, 21:49:34
Artisan teaser! Black cerakoted alu, silver enamel infill. Full update coming soon.

(https://i.imgur.com/PMBReOs.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: donutcat on Fri, 27 September 2019, 02:55:27
Really like that base color, reminds me a lot of Plum alphas in neutral lighting, plus uniform is a great look. If it wasn't for icon mods I might have to have a serious discussion with my wallet about the set :/
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Poesjuh on Sat, 28 September 2019, 12:17:54
Does this car count as well? ;)

(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190928/777a7f00318724fdd30dcc5bda9cc0b7.jpg)


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 28 September 2019, 13:28:34
Does this car count as well? ;)

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(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20190928/777a7f00318724fdd30dcc5bda9cc0b7.jpg)


Hah, sure does. Looks like a Stojadin. Guess what? Also produced by Zastava :D The model is Zastava 101 or Zastava Skala or Yugo Skala (wiki (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zastava_Skala)).

Based on the sign on the building I'd say this was taken somewhere in Ukraine. Am I right?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Sat, 28 September 2019, 13:41:23
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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 28 September 2019, 13:45:52
If it has been taken in Ukraine, then most likely it's one of classic VAZs: 2101/21011/21013.

The correlation is there :D But yeah, you're probably right, it's more likely a Soviet car than a Yugoslav one. They were all based on the same Fiat design, though.
Title: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Poesjuh on Mon, 30 September 2019, 02:58:34
Taken in Lviv, Ukraine :)
According to my gf it’s a VAZ.


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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: dantambok on Mon, 30 September 2019, 03:19:03
interesting legends!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Bawsky on Mon, 30 September 2019, 16:07:07
I don't know exactly why I want this. But I do.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 09 October 2019, 03:29:45
Check out and join the GMK Yugo waitlist (https://kono.store/products/gmk-yugo) on Kono Store! (especially if you're a US buyer)
They did a great job with the flavor text :D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo
Post by: Emir on Fri, 11 October 2019, 15:18:32
We've been quoted by GMK and are finalizing the pricing with vendors right now! We'll keep you posted! :D
Things are moving along nicely, getting ready for the group buy in a couple of weeks!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB NOV 1 – DEC 15
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 12 October 2019, 20:44:21
Hey guys, we have some updates for you! Some long overdue, some brand new. All of them awesome!

First and foremost, the group buy will run November 1st – December 15th 2019 via the following vendors:

As for the kits, we have some updates here as well; namely:
The second quote request is on its way to GMK. We're pretty happy with the prices we got the first time around, and now we're looking to optimize things further and get more options. Anyway, here are the two updated kits:

(https://i.imgur.com/k0fgkdF.png) (https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)


Deskmat reveal!
Well, kinda. You've already seen it in the renders, but since then we've updated the design and have ordered samples.

(https://i.imgur.com/eIkSGCz.png)

My favorite feature are the signs, which feature the names of the capitals for the six former Yugoslav republics, in Latin and Cyrillic.


We've partnered with Salvun and MechSoda to bring artisans and cables (respectively) to the group buy.
The artisan cap is cerakoted aluminum with enamel infill. It takes its distinctive shape from the classic Yugo hood badge and logo.

(https://i.imgur.com/sYqm7B4.png) (https://i.imgur.com/Oqnv4gc.jpg)

The cables will feature glow in the dark paracord (we don't condone driving without headlights at night) in a matching yellow color, Techflex double sleeving, and optional coils and aviator connectors. Pics of samples will be posted soon.


Last but not least, here's a photo of RAL D3 samples for the colors we picked. It's not the greatest since I took it with my phone a couple of weeks back (no white balance), but for what it's worth I thought the colors looked pretty accurate irl.

(https://i.imgur.com/QlbHaLq.jpg)

(Yugo colors are the second yellow from the top and the bottommost red.)
We're looking into ordering our own RAL chips asap; with any luck, we'll have good quality photos of the colors in time for the start of the GB.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB NOV 1 – DEC 15
Post by: eskimojo on Sun, 13 October 2019, 03:52:15
  • Super has been replaced with System (1.25u) and Sys (1u).
    The System mold will be created for Yugo and both molds will be available for future sets to use.
Great change, hopefully this catches on with other GMK sets.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB NOV 1 – DEC 15
Post by: nasp on Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:23:32
The change to System is...super 

:cool:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB NOV 1 – DEC 15
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 13 October 2019, 14:26:02
System: Really one of those things you'd sorta think already existed. Good work.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: BouncyChillups on Thu, 17 October 2019, 08:29:00
edit: wrong thread, sorry.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: spakecdk on Sat, 19 October 2019, 16:01:32
System is one step closer to the true dream, windows logo
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: depletedvespene on Sat, 19 October 2019, 16:11:07
System is one step closer to the true dream, windows logo

Perhaps you mean "nightmare".
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 20 October 2019, 14:42:17
Just 12 more days to go until the GB, woo! (or should I say, beep!) :D

We will be posting the final kit pricing soon; we're just waiting for GMK to get back to us on our final quote request.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: spakecdk on Fri, 25 October 2019, 14:47:25
For every day of the GB someone should upload a pothole in the Balkans.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 30 October 2019, 16:54:51
Love the set, looking forward to joining the GB! :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Updates, Vendors, Deskmat, Extras | GB Nov 1 – Dec 15
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 31 October 2019, 17:01:17
Hey guys, after a few delays and some communication issues with GMK (the person in charge of Yugo went on vacation and it took some time for their colleague to get familiarized with the project), we got the final quote back last minute. We are now finalizing pricing with the vendors.

Because of this, we will have to postpone the start of the GB until Monday. The new dates are November 4th – December 18th 2019. We're very sorry for the delay!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 03 November 2019, 17:00:30
(https://i.imgur.com/4yosyD8.png) (https://i.imgur.com/j1TIGYE.png)

Hey guys, the kits are finalized and the pricing is in!
Good news: we've managed to include full UK ISO compatibility in the Capitalism kit without increasing the price for US buyers. It's a win for both sides of the pond.

Yugo 45 kit
€106 @ 250 MOQ

(https://i.imgur.com/k0fgkdF.png)

Capitalism kit
€34 @ 100 MOQ

(https://i.imgur.com/sCqwpo4.png)

Yugo 55 kit
€39 @ 100 MOQ

(https://i.imgur.com/ekW4SBc.png)

Cabrio kit
€28 @ 100 MOQ

(https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)

Zastava kit
€46 @ 100 MOQ

(https://i.imgur.com/7sxdUDI.png)


Here's the pricing breakdown per vendor:

(https://i.imgur.com/GtwbQIx.png)

The zFrontier pricing should be coming in early tomorrow morning.


The RAL samples have also arrived, just in time for the GB.
We'll be using these to color check the keycap samples we receive from GMK. Below are professionally taken, white balanced photos of the chips.

(https://i.imgur.com/gqxiAbm.jpg) (https://i.imgur.com/zvIrAgC.jpg)

The full album is available here. (https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1KLgoNM24dfTSzZ0HzC3aOa-Z0RfddeiR)


All in all, it's super exciting to see the set that we've worked on so hard on finally go into GB. Yugo is our baby. We hope you'll enjoy it.
See you tomorrow!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: mrpetrov on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:18:24
Awesome! Definitely going in for at least base and zastava, and probably capitalism too...
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: Vigrith on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:41:18
Actual godlike pricing.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 03 November 2019, 19:48:05
What are the two yellows in the photos?  Which one is the one being used?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: Emir on Mon, 04 November 2019, 02:26:42
Let's go!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 04 November 2019, 03:31:20
The table has been updated with zFrontier's pricing.

(https://i.imgur.com/DrTEqy8.png)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: eskimojo on Mon, 04 November 2019, 03:49:30
What are the two yellows in the photos?  Which one is the one being used?

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Colors

Taking inspiration from the Yugo GV Sport (GV stands for “good value” lol), a special “sport” edition Yugo that was marketed in the US in the 80's, we've decided to go with a nice, sun-faded yellow as the base color for the whole set. The crimson, orange and brown accents were taken from the GV Sport's signature stripe.

Alphas and mods: RAL 095 90 20
Legends and accents: RAL 030 30 45
Stripes: RAL 050 50 60, RAL 030 30 45, RAL 040 20 19

(https://i.imgur.com/4bQguyy.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-095-90-20)
(https://i.imgur.com/YDYcR5h.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-030-30-45)
(https://i.imgur.com/eFp6q8y.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-050-50-60)
(https://i.imgur.com/xZGRUTg.png) (https://www.ralcolorchart.com/ral-design/ral-040-20-19)

Inspiration:
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Cabrio kit
Need more space in your Yugo? Pop your sunroof open and give our Cabrio kit a try!

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(https://i.imgur.com/SKYPiB4.png)


Three of the spacebars have been pimped out with the signature orange–red–brown stripe of the Yugo GV Sport. This stripe will be UV printed on the front of the caps by GMK, giving you that retro SPORT look while not sacrificing durability.


edit: missed that there were two yellows in the full album of samples. see below answer
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: SwitchKeys on Mon, 04 November 2019, 04:17:29
Amazing pricing all around.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: deLEES on Mon, 04 November 2019, 06:59:37
Great work guys! This is a really exciting set. I'm ready and wait for them to show on MyKeyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Starts Tomorrow!
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 04 November 2019, 07:46:17
Hey everyone, the GB thread is up! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=103263.0) The set is currently live on zFrontier, and the other vendors should follow by the end of the day. Prepare your wallets! :D


What are the two yellows in the photos?  Which one is the one being used?

The other, yellower yellow is the initial base color we picked in the early stages of the set's design. We later decided that it might be too saturated and that a paler sun-faded yellow would be a better fit for the set's aesthetic. So that's what we settled on: RAL 095 90 20, the paler of the two yellows in the photos. The other one is RAL 095 90 30 (just 10 on the saturation scale can make quite a difference). Let us know if you think we made the right choice!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Thread Live!
Post by: arydi on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:41:07
Will my keyboard start leaking oil?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Yugo | Finalized Kits, Pricing, Color Samples | GB Thread Live!
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 05 November 2019, 14:56:33
Will my keyboard start leaking oil?

Get the deskmat, I hear it's really absorbent ;)