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Title: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:43
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Hey everyone!
I'm happy to bring you a new keyset I have been working on for the last few months called R&R!
The inspiration/theme for this keyset are the characters Rem & Ram from Re:Zero.
Just as they are characterized as complimenting opposites, so too is each side of the keyset.
I realize this is pretty out there compared to the normal approach, but I rather like this and it's something different for a change!



Vendors: Groupbuy will be sometime between Q2/Q3 2020

US: Cannonkeys
EU: MyKeyboard
Oceania: DailyClack
Asia: iLumkb
Canada: Deskhero

Click HERE (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeHuvPjyrdSdaxp9XDcZAhT6UYAHwsU6MAiDbZClNUvhWCgvA/viewform?usp=sf_link) or the purple file icon below to fill out the NEW Google form

(https://i.imgur.com/9XKbT7A.png]) (https://www.instagram.com/rensuya/)(https://i.imgur.com/sYbcFHB.png]) (https://discord.gg/DuERjBV)(https://i.imgur.com/aEl1AUT.png]) (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeHuvPjyrdSdaxp9XDcZAhT6UYAHwsU6MAiDbZClNUvhWCgvA/viewform?usp=sf_link)


(https://i.imgur.com/NOmWAOP.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/wkkiqic.jpg)


Deskmats

(https://i.imgur.com/cB7pzdi.jpg)

Eliza | PheonixStarr
(https://i.imgur.com/Wk8BvQf.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/LVMOZTb.jpg)

Austin | Driftingbunnies
(https://i.imgur.com/oCTZAtN.jpg)

Dawn | crykn
(https://i.imgur.com/98anpLr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/GJlFmrs.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo3wpg6.jpg)

Kendo | Onefivenine
(https://i.imgur.com/WQ8pZWm.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QoHGENx.jpg)

Polaris | ai03
(https://i.imgur.com/5FQeqjb.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/7vaPlAy.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/MrkBcvQ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PHJQddj.jpg)


Disclaimer: I am aware of the GMK Oni set that went live today.
I want to make it clear that while both keysets share a very similar theme, they're very different in appearance and in no way should impact each other.
I hope that both of our sets have great success!


Special Thanks

Renders: PheonixStarr
Feedback: Xer, Hisui, Upas


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Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R You decide!
Post by: Raravin on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:53
WITNESSED
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R You decide!
Post by: wyrm on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:24:40
A foolishly foolish idea born from the foolish mind of a foolhardy foolish fool.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R You decide!
Post by: SekaiJutsu on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:25:18
OHHHHH MYYYYY GAWWWWD

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Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R You decide!
Post by: GaNeBaL on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:33:05
PBT ty
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R You decide!
Post by: megaforce on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:40:13
goddamn this is cute
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: o3okevin on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:43:08
PBT
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:43:56
Blue “b” please...
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:45:01
Quote from: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:43:56
Blue “b” please...

They're in there, in the base and alphas kits.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: belgium_waffles on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:46:33
Cute
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: 002 DC on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:48:48
the better gmk oni
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Sleepdealr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:33
is this a joke? the ic for gmk oni was posted 4 days ago. Don't steal other ppls ideas and **** off
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:47
Quote from: 002 DC on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:48:48
the better gmk oni  :thumb:

I'd prefer it if there was no hostility here about GMK Oni. The set stands on its own merits, a nice set.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Raravin on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:54:29
Quote from: Sleepdealr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:33
is this a joke? the ic for gmk oni was posted 4 days ago. Don't steal other ppls ideas and **** off

To be fair a keyset isnt made over night or in 4 days, it does take time and work as well as the renders he even acknowledged gmk oni in his IC. He has had this worked for awhile and it is two vastly different sets.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Xerpocalypse on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:01:15
Quote from: Sleepdealr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:33
is this a joke? the ic for gmk oni was posted 4 days ago. Don't steal other ppls ideas and **** off

Ren has been working on this set for months; I don't know how long Bapo has been working on Oni, he only asked me for kitting advice last week and we didn't discuss the theme.  They've both been working in a vacuum on their respective ideas.

Given that you designed Blush, I'd assume that you understand that it takes far longer than 4 days to design, refine, render, and execute a keyset IC.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: DuellM on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:02:47
Definitely Pbt
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: CrispFunk on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:04:50
Goddamn I was just telling my gf if someone make a set for Rem or Rem Ram I'd go in for her. What do you know this exists now!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: tofulo on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:15:43
these are fantastic. Wish one of the novelties had rem's spike ball weapon lol
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: lunr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:24:27
Have you consider using those updated hiragana alphas from GMK striker or Frost Witch?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Agilr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:30:42
I'm a bit torn on the forced white accent 6.25 & 7u spacebars, but with it being split across the middle, I can understand the decision and otherwise love it!

And no double subs :-* Thank you Rens
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:38:14
I'm almost not even mad that this the fifth hiragana set in a week.

I have a few remarks about the kits:

Quote from: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:43
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/kOp1uOa.jpg)

Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: YoRHannya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:46:51
I love the look of this set.
I am especially hype about that novelties spacebar. The ruffle/lace pattern on it is great <3
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: wil on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:00:07
what a bizarre coincidence that two sets around the same anime come out around the same time. clearly a coincidence given how long these ICs take to put together, but how oddly specific. so many blue sets too and i think PBT might be the thing that makes this stand out compared to the rest of the field. gl with ic
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:02:58
Quote from: Xerpocalypse on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:45:01
Quote from: Jaxxstatic on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:43:56
Blue “b” please...

They're in there, in the base and alphas kits.


Ooh! Well, I’m in. My kids would love this set. And my guilty pleasure on Alice layout is one set on left, another set I love on the right. So both sets get love. I have more Keysets than keyboards, so this leaves less in the closet. 
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:29:26
Since the keyset is kind of oriented to split-style keyboards, would you consider making the numpad as an individual kit?
Then you could make split colors on the numpad as well :thumb:

Also, I'm not found of how five side sublimation pbt look like, I vote for gmk.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: dom on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:30:25
Quote from: Sleepdealr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:33
is this a joke? the ic for gmk oni was posted 4 days ago. Don't steal other ppls ideas and **** off

I feel those two can co-exist together, market/community will decide which one they prefer (just like at the moment with GMK Lunar / Apollo / Ashes). PS: Don't act like this please, you will have a much better life if you learn to be less aggressive. I promise :) good luck!

Quote from: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:53:47
Quote from: 002 DC on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:48:48
the better gmk oni  :thumb:
I'd prefer it if there was no hostility here about GMK Oni.

People can be mean, childish and immature. Just ignore them if possible, as a designer, you should develop a thicker skin.  :thumb:
GMK for the WIN.
Good luck!


Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: worldspawn on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:32:29
Quote from: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:29:26
Since the keyset is kind of oriented to split-style keyboards, would you consider making the numpad as an individual kit?
Then you could make split colors on the numpad as well :thumb:

Also, I'm not found of how five side sublimation pbt look like, I vote for gmk.

This shouldn't require 5 side, you can get the keys in that color and dye the legends onto them, 5 side is only necessary when the legends are LIGHTER than the rest of the cap.

I vote PBT for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:58:11
Quote from: worldspawn on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:32:29
Quote from: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:29:26
Since the keyset is kind of oriented to split-style keyboards, would you consider making the numpad as an individual kit?
Then you could make split colors on the numpad as well :thumb:

Also, I'm not found of how five side sublimation pbt look like, I vote for gmk.

This shouldn't require 5 side, you can get the keys in that color and dye the legends onto them, 5 side is only necessary when the legends are LIGHTER than the rest of the cap.

I vote PBT for sure.

If that's the case, then cool, pbt is a great choice.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 15 March 2020, 00:16:16
Quote from: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:58:11
Quote from: worldspawn on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:32:29
Quote from: Raptor_N60 on Sat, 14 March 2020, 23:29:26
Since the keyset is kind of oriented to split-style keyboards, would you consider making the numpad as an individual kit?
Then you could make split colors on the numpad as well :thumb:

Also, I'm not found of how five side sublimation pbt look like, I vote for gmk.

This shouldn't require 5 side, you can get the keys in that color and dye the legends onto them, 5 side is only necessary when the legends are LIGHTER than the rest of the cap.

I vote PBT for sure.

If that's the case, then cool, pbt is a great choice.

Well so far it's looking like this will be PBT based on the poll responses  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: pengoot02 on Sun, 15 March 2020, 03:16:10
Would love this in GMK!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Lufenia on Sun, 15 March 2020, 08:37:08
PBT but please not EPBT, their quality hasn't been the best recently.  Kuro Shiro was disappointing.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 15 March 2020, 09:02:08
Quote from: Lufenia on Sun, 15 March 2020, 08:37:08
PBT but please not EPBT, their quality hasn't been the best recently.  Kuro Shiro was disappointing.
Yeah, if we go PBT this will not be ePBT
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: asianfork on Sun, 15 March 2020, 09:37:17
I honestly really like this set. Although it does look very close to Oni, there are a few differences, and I find this set to be a bit cleaner. Def going to keep an eye out on this kit.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: bakuretsu on Sun, 15 March 2020, 14:37:54
I love the maid outfit pattern spacebars. I missed the inclusion of any black/white theme in GMK Oni, so I'm loving this. That, plus the fact that this features Rem and Ram in the same kit have really sold me on it. Looking forward to GB!

P.S. Will the Rem bow novelties need to be doubleshot or reverse dye sublimated to get the pink legends on blue keycaps? (If PBT, KAT maybe?) Also, I like PBT, but I really hate warped keys. Plus ABS would probably have better colors.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: SoraNoTenshi on Sun, 15 March 2020, 14:41:05
Pretty interesting concept, i will certainly consider it for my upcoming split board.
I wouldn't mind if PBT / ABS, ABS will probably be more colourful, so i'd go with ABS.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: FLFrostBite on Sun, 15 March 2020, 15:05:48
These novelties are insane, man. That spacebar, especially, will be interesting to see a final product of. PBT ftw~
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Sun, 15 March 2020, 17:45:45
Quote from: bakuretsu on Sun, 15 March 2020, 14:37:54
I love the maid outfit pattern spacebars. I missed the inclusion of any black/white theme in GMK Oni, so I'm loving this. That, plus the fact that this features Rem and Ram in the same kit have really sold me on it. Looking forward to GB!

P.S. Will the Rem bow novelties need to be doubleshot or reverse dye sublimated to get the pink legends on blue keycaps? (If PBT, KAT maybe?) Also, I like PBT, but I really hate warped keys. Plus ABS would probably have better colors.

If PBT wins, which it looks like it might then we will be using a new PBT place that will not have warping issues like ePBT.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Mearaz on Sun, 15 March 2020, 23:58:01
Can you please add a blue F6 key, it will be perfect for split layouts like my LZ ergo.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Mon, 16 March 2020, 00:54:09
Quote from: Mearaz on Sun, 15 March 2020, 23:58:01
Can you please add a blue F6 key, it will be perfect for split layouts like my LZ ergo.
Yes, I'll be adding it in after I update all of the kits. If or when this makes the switch to PBT I'll be re modeling all kits to allow for more compatability for more users!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Mearaz on Mon, 16 March 2020, 04:37:29
Quote from: Rensuya on Mon, 16 March 2020, 00:54:09
Quote from: Mearaz on Sun, 15 March 2020, 23:58:01
Can you please add a blue F6 key, it will be perfect for split layouts like my LZ ergo.
Yes, I'll be adding it in after I update all of the kits. If or when this makes the switch to PBT I'll be re modeling all kits to allow for more compatability for more users!

Great! count me in on the group buy. It is a really good looking set.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: hubennj on Tue, 17 March 2020, 22:02:47
 :eek: insta buy for me please make it happen!
also, GMK
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: bliss on Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:16:36
Looking good as always!

Have you considered JTK?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Rensuya on Fri, 20 March 2020, 11:11:59
Quote from: bliss on Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:16:36
Looking good as always!

Have you considered JTK?
Glad you like the set! I have not, I'm personally not a huge fan of JTK is why.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 20 March 2020, 12:53:44
abs pls
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: Tree_ on Fri, 20 March 2020, 17:30:29
+1 for PBT.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: yokern on Sat, 21 March 2020, 14:09:29
GMK!!!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R or GMK R&R? You Decide!
Post by: nudoh on Mon, 23 March 2020, 18:24:30
The colors on this are great. I never watched the anime, but they look cute
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R | Update #1: PBT Wins! 3/24
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:03:00
Update #1: PBT is the winner! 3/24

So the voting has ended in a landslide in favor of PBT! The PBT manu for this set will be a new one and not ePBT. The goal of this place will be to eliminate warping and possible legend issues. I will be updating the kits a bit to reflect the change to PBT.

Also, I have seen the expressed interest to be KAT instead of cherry PBT. I'm pretty sure this will stay cherry PBT but it's not impossible this could be KAT, but with how many KAT sets are waiting to deliver still I would prefer to keep it cherry!

Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:35:47
I’m digging the split theme here. Any consideration for ergo support? Left half pink and right half blue? All blanks of course.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R | Update #1: PBT Wins! 3/24
Post by: Kerasan on Wed, 25 March 2020, 00:50:12
Quote from: Rensuya on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:03:00
Update #1: PBT is the winner! 3/24

So the voting has ended in a landslide in favor of PBT! The PBT manu for this set will be a new one and not ePBT. The goal of this place will be to eliminate warping and possible legend issues. I will be updating the kits a bit to reflect the change to PBT.

Also, I have seen the expressed interest to be KAT instead of cherry PBT. I'm pretty sure this will stay cherry PBT but it's not impossible this could be KAT, but with how many KAT sets are waiting to deliver still I would prefer to keep it cherry!




rensuya how would you see the possible use of KAM? This set with this profile might be interesting as there are few KAM sets
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R | Update #1: PBT Wins! 3/24
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 26 March 2020, 23:59:10
Quote from: DrHigsby on Tue, 24 March 2020, 22:35:47
I’m digging the split theme here. Any consideration for ergo support? Left half pink and right half blue? All blanks of course.

Some of these things have been considered already, a future update is coming.

Quote from: Kerasan on Wed, 25 March 2020, 00:50:12
Quote from: Rensuya on Tue, 24 March 2020, 17:03:00
Update #1: PBT is the winner! 3/24

So the voting has ended in a landslide in favor of PBT! The PBT manu for this set will be a new one and not ePBT. The goal of this place will be to eliminate warping and possible legend issues. I will be updating the kits a bit to reflect the change to PBT.

Also, I have seen the expressed interest to be KAT instead of cherry PBT. I'm pretty sure this will stay cherry PBT but it's not impossible this could be KAT, but with how many KAT sets are waiting to deliver still I would prefer to keep it cherry!




rensuya how would you see the possible use of KAM? This set with this profile might be interesting as there are few KAM sets
I'm pretty set on keeping this PBT cherry but if I was to do anything else it would be KAT over KAM as I don't like flat or "uniform" profiles.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: DrHigsby on Sat, 18 April 2020, 01:14:31
Will you offer the R1 6 in both pink and blue? I was thinking about putting this set onto an ortho linear layout (Preonic / ID75). In those layouts, 6 usually sits on top of Y. Without the 6 in blue, it wouldn’t be possible to keep the color split even.

Thanks for the consideration :)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: Evo_Spec on Mon, 20 April 2020, 00:38:38
*waiting patiently for dat R&R

(https://i.imgur.com/AL167ta.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 21 April 2020, 12:22:35
Quote from: lunr on Sat, 14 March 2020, 22:24:27
Have you consider using those updated hiragana alphas from GMK striker or Frost Witch?
Sorry did not see this till now, I had not considered using them but would be open to it if people prefer it!

Quote from: Evo_Spec on Mon, 20 April 2020, 00:38:38
*waiting patiently for dat R&R

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/AL167ta.jpg)

That will look pretty awesome on that setup! An update for the set is coming soon.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 05 May 2020, 13:21:25
UPDATE 5/5/20: Added Deskmats!

-Updated kits coming soon!



(https://i.imgur.com/cB7pzdi.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/5 (Deskmats added)
Post by: bakuretsu on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:42:14
Those deskmats are adorable. I sort of wish there was an option to have blue and pink on the same mat (maybe blue background with pink hearts like the banner, or white background with a mix of blue and pink hearts), but that would probably be too many variations. Out of these two though, I'm gonna have to get blue for Rem.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/5 (Deskmats added)
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 05 May 2020, 15:28:19
LOVE
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 07 May 2020, 13:47:25
UPDATE 5/7/20: New kits & Renders are here!

I have added a "Blues" & "Pinks" kits to allow the user to mix and match the set however you would prefer it. If you want a full pink set for Ram or a full blue for Rem then you can have it! The base kit will still offer the standard split setup which I think is amazing and gives this set a unique twist on how sets are normally  :D

All new renders and kits are in the main post on page 1, stay safe everyone!

Btw here is the NEW Google form (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSeHuvPjyrdSdaxp9XDcZAhT6UYAHwsU6MAiDbZClNUvhWCgvA/viewform?usp=sf_link)


Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: elguey on Thu, 07 May 2020, 14:49:40
Rem is best girl but the full pink set looks so damn good.

This has been mentioned already but I am assuming that having the square/curly bracket keys with べ and ぺ instead of  ゛and ゜is an error, right? Also, the む is rotated in the Eliza Ram render.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: belerian on Thu, 07 May 2020, 21:07:33
Are the latin alphas gone?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Sycomore on Thu, 07 May 2020, 21:25:40
Quote from: belerian on Thu, 07 May 2020, 21:07:33
Are the latin alphas gone?

Pls no, I dislike having moon runes on my keycaps, just looks cluttered in most regards.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 08 May 2020, 00:08:02
Quote from: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:43
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/NOmWAOP.jpg)


I believe the second R4 Ctrl is going to need to be changed to Alt in order to support Mac and OG HHKB bottom rows correctly.

Also, not sure if this is intended, but the arrow keys seem to be using top-left aligned icons, while the rest of the icon mods are vertically centered.

This post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.msg2896127#msg2896127) makes some good points about the hiragana sublegends used on the ISO keys in GMK Sumi, as well as this one (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105137.msg2898781#msg2898781) for GMK Oni, and I think they're applicable here as well. The following changes would make the set more accommodating for both JIS and regular ISO users, as well as making the hiragana coverage more “accurate” (in terms of correspondence to actual kana layouts), by reducing legend duplication and using the appropriate rows for the sublegends.
Reasoning: ANSI users get all of the usual keys. ISO users get \| and <> (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820), avoiding duplicate legends. Finally, JIS users get all of the correct hiragana legends on the correct rows (R4 ろ, R3 む, R1 ー). All in all, you get some benefits and no drawbacks.

The following sublegends should also be changed:
Reasoning: These sublegends are supposed to represent the (han)dakuten combining diacritics, which can be applied to several different kana, but the current legend shows them applied only to the specific kana へ, which doesn't make sense.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: kidviddy on Fri, 08 May 2020, 01:26:26
Quote from: konstantin on Fri, 08 May 2020, 00:08:02
This post (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104469.msg2896127#msg2896127) makes some good points about the hiragana sublegends used on the ISO keys in GMK Sumi, as well as this one (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=105137.msg2898781#msg2898781) for GMK Oni, and I think they're applicable here as well. The following changes would make the set more accommodating for both JIS and regular ISO users, as well as making the hiragana coverage more “accurate” (in terms of correspondence to actual kana layouts), by reducing legend duplication and using the appropriate rows for the sublegends.

Thanks konstantin, for bringing up this issue and for linking to my previous comments.  I should note that both of those comments were in response to designs featuring kana monolegends, where I believe I have found a reasonable compromise that suits JIS, ISO, and ANSI users alike; that is, as you mention, the replacement of R1 [ろ] or [む] with [ー], inclusion of R3 1U [む] as is already fairly standard for ISO, and replacement of R4 [む] with [ろ].  I feel on pretty solid ground recommending these changes to anyone who is considering kana monolegends for their set.

sublegends are more complicated, because the punctuation options are so many and varied. The /dev/tty (https://drop.com/buy/drop-matt3o-devtty-custom-keycap-set) set on Drop at the moment has an incredibly full-featured "Japan Set" that, in combination with the base set, allows someone to create a fully compliant ANSI, UK, or JIS layout, complete with correct punctuation characters and Japanese modifier keys!  But this requires adding a large number of extra keys.

For this reason, I've generally refrained from commenting on kana sublegend designs so far, however, looking at your suggestions:

Quote from: konstantin on Fri, 08 May 2020, 00:08:02
  • R1　\|む　→　R1　\|ー
  • R3　#~　　→　R3　\|む
  • R4　\|ろ　→　R4　<>ろ
Reasoning: ANSI users get all of the usual keys. ISO users get \| and <> (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820), avoiding duplicate legends. Finally, JIS users get all of the correct hiragana legends on the correct rows (R4 ろ, R3 む, R1 ー). All in all, you get some benefits and no drawbacks.

The following sublegends should also be changed:
  • R2　[{べ　→　R2　[{゛ or [{ ゙⬚
  • R2　]}ぺ　→　R2　]}゜ or [{ ゚⬚
Reasoning: These sublegends are supposed to represent the (han)dakuten combining diacritics, which can be applied to several different kana, but the current legend shows them applied only to the specific kana へ, which doesn't make sense.

I think I agree with everything you've said.  I wasn't sure about your recommendation to use \| on the R3 む key and <> on the R4 ろ since none of the layouts that I'm familiar with (UK, Japan, USA) feature this exact combination, but following the reasoning in your link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820) I can see why it makes sense and avoids duplication.

In summary: I agree with konstantin regarding the movement of the kana keys and would like to lend my voice to that suggestion.  When it comes to the punctuation that goes along with those keys, I don't feel as strongly (I'd be happy enough with #~ on the R3 む and \| on the R4 ろ, for example, possibly with ¥| on the R1 ー if you really want to be true to the Japanese and avoid duplication!), but I do think he raises some interesting points that are worthy of consideration. This page (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/#row4yes), linked to in the thread konstantin linked to, goes into a lot more detail about choices of symbol keys, and I would definitely like to take the time to read through it properly before deciding which side of that fence I sit on.

EDIT: Spelling/grammar; s/thread/comment/
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 08 May 2020, 01:50:37
Quote from: kidviddy on Fri, 08 May 2020, 01:26:26
For this reason, I've generally refrained from commenting on kana sublegend designs so far, however, looking at your suggestions:

Quote from: konstantin on Fri, 08 May 2020, 00:08:02
  • R1　\|む　→　R1　\|ー
  • R3　#~　　→　R3　\|む
  • R4　\|ろ　→　R4　<>ろ
Reasoning: ANSI users get all of the usual keys. ISO users get \| and <> (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820), avoiding duplicate legends. Finally, JIS users get all of the correct hiragana legends on the correct rows (R4 ろ, R3 む, R1 ー). All in all, you get some benefits and no drawbacks.

The following sublegends should also be changed:
  • R2　[{べ　→　R2　[{゛ or [{ ゙⬚
  • R2　]}ぺ　→　R2　]}゜ or [{ ゚⬚
Reasoning: These sublegends are supposed to represent the (han)dakuten combining diacritics, which can be applied to several different kana, but the current legend shows them applied only to the specific kana へ, which doesn't make sense.

I think I agree with everything you've said.  I wasn't sure about you're recommendation to use \| on the R3 む key and <> on the R4 ろ since none of the layouts that I'm familiar with (UK, Japan, USA) feature this exact combination, but following the reasoning in your link (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=90706.msg2894820#msg2894820) I can see why it makes sense and avoids duplication.

In summary: I agree with konstantin regarding the movement of the kana keys and would like to lend my voice to that suggestion.  When it comes to the punctuation that goes along with those keys, I don't feel as strongly (I'd be happy enough with #~ on the R3 む and \| on the R4 ろ, for example, possibly with ¥| on the R1 ー if you really want to be true to the Japanese and avoid duplication!), but I do think he raises some interesting points that are worthy of consideration. This page (http://www.farah.cl/Keyboardery/Why-Do-Keycap-Sets-have-so-many-Copies-of-the-Backslash-Pipe-Key/#row4yes), linked to in the thread konstantin linked to, goes into a lot more detail about choices of symbol keys, and I would definitely like to take the time to read through it properly before deciding which side of that fence I sit on.

Thanks for your thoughtful input on my suggestions. In that case, I will propose an alternative solution for the punctuation and leave it up to the designer to make an informed decision about what would work best for their set, based on everything that's been put forward so far.

The alternative to the above R1, R3, R4 changes would be:
This approach favors the UK-oriented #~, \| configuration over the more general \|, <>.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: LazyAfternoons on Fri, 08 May 2020, 04:00:18
Count me in.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: SLPNick on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:25:00
Quote from: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:43
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo3wpg6.jpg)

Will this Eng only version be available?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Rensuya on Sat, 09 May 2020, 12:40:34
Quote from: SLPNick on Fri, 08 May 2020, 10:25:00
Quote from: Rensuya on Sat, 14 March 2020, 21:23:43
Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/Bo3wpg6.jpg)

Will this Eng only version be available?
It will most likely only be hiragana subs for this set. If I added the Latin kit back I would either have to offer full Latin for both halves or much bigger Latin kit.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: jiggyboybrian on Thu, 28 May 2020, 03:30:28
Cant wait for this set especially with season two coming soon!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: DireRaven247 on Thu, 09 July 2020, 23:24:36
Any update on when this set will run?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/5 (Deskmats added)
Post by: tsumicchi on Sat, 18 July 2020, 09:11:08
Quote from: bakuretsu on Tue, 05 May 2020, 14:42:14
Those deskmats are adorable. I sort of wish there was an option to have blue and pink on the same mat (maybe blue background with pink hearts like the banner, or white background with a mix of blue and pink hearts), but that would probably be too many variations. Out of these two though, I'm gonna have to get blue for Rem.

I second this! Considering the whole theme of the set is their complimentary halves, it only makes sense to have a deskmat with the colors of both girls. I think the white bg with pink and blue hearts would look lovely!

 I'm excitedly looking forward to this set, I think it's a wonderful idea.
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Hdjekso on Sun, 02 August 2020, 23:34:39
Really liking the set, is this project still a go?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Ramen Champ on Sun, 23 August 2020, 11:18:09
Nice job on the novelties Ren! Looks great
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: engyshow on Thu, 17 September 2020, 04:09:49
AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I LOVE IT
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: mellowcake on Sun, 18 October 2020, 09:23:10
interested!
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: retrorecall on Mon, 09 August 2021, 22:46:43
Looks great curious how this would look on an alice keyboard?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: Riceshakes on Mon, 02 May 2022, 23:45:28
Is this set still happening?
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R Update 5/7 (New Kits & Renders)
Post by: caz1e on Wed, 11 May 2022, 13:22:38
Quote from: Riceshakes on Mon, 02 May 2022, 23:45:28
Is this set still happening?
yep, creator mentioned on his discord that this set is next to go into group buy
Title: Re: [IC] PBT R&R
Post by: phantomvoltage on Wed, 11 May 2022, 19:37:17
Quote from: DrHigsby on Sat, 18 April 2020, 01:14:31
Will you offer the R1 6 in both pink and blue? I was thinking about putting this set onto an ortho linear layout (Preonic / ID75). In those layouts, 6 usually sits on top of Y. Without the 6 in blue, it wouldn’t be possible to keep the color split even.

Thanks for the consideration :)

Yeah I'd like to second this. Thinking this would look great on my Lumberjack PCB, which is a split ortho layout. So would prefer an optional 6 key in blue in addition to an ortho kit  ;D