Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 00:56:06
It would be sort of inspired by this Jack Spade case
(http://s7d2.scene7.com/is/image/JackSpade/NYRU2441_001_11_M?$productMain$)
And the mil-spec type construction methods and materials used in the rugged packs made by GoRuck (http://www.goruck.com/rucksacks/c/102).
I was thinking of putting a bullion wire patch on the front—this sort of thing:
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/Bullion%20Wire%20Patch.png)
But with my little Norbauer logo/emblem thingie on it. (It's a stylized crowned portcullis, which I've always used as a logo for my various creative ventures, since I once worked in the British Parliament, which uses a similar design).
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/logo.png)
It would be pretty small and unobtrusive, but I think kind of cool.
I was thinking of including an interior pocket for a USB cable and a longer zippered interior pocket for small tools.
Two questions: 1) any interest/appeal?, 2) what sort of features would you like to see in your dream keyboard carry case?
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 00:57:35
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 14 March 2017, 01:00:13
(http://www.pelican-gun-cases.com/images/pelican-cases-472-pwc-m4-sf-big.jpg)
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 14 March 2017, 01:07:53
Post by: mech0nly on Tue, 14 March 2017, 03:04:45
(https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20170314/b7231d026d5a7c26d8d52c113619a8d9.jpg)
Will it have cushion inside? Hope it strong enough carrying heavy alu keyboard for a long time.
I'm interested ;)
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Post by: arcsay on Tue, 14 March 2017, 08:56:19
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 09:42:49
Needs to have more MOLLE loops on the front so I can attach all my EDC gear for things like opening cardboard boxes, or shining light under my desk to find the screw i dropped. :thumb:
Oh, I would love to add MOLLE loops. I didn't realize anybody would want them. This is a common feature of military-style tactical packs.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MOLLE
Post by: FoC_Tow on Tue, 14 March 2017, 11:37:13
Maybe I could fit my VE:A with a diy sepperator in between halfs tho =)
Any chance for a 75 or 60 version?
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 12:34:20
Would love to get one but am not much of a tkl guy unfortunately.
Maybe I could fit my VE:A with a diy sepperator in between halfs tho =)
Any chance for a 75 or 60 version?
If the TKL case works out and people seem to like it, I'd totally be happy to give a 60/75 carry case a try.
Post by: afrokobe on Tue, 14 March 2017, 12:38:01
Post by: Slash Emperor on Tue, 14 March 2017, 13:41:23
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 13:42:38
I'd also love to see this MOLLE-compatible.
Awesome. I've already added it to the prototype design I'm working on. :)
Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 14 March 2017, 18:03:40
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 18:26:33
not to make too many requests... but can the inside be soft velcro so we can add dividers and panels? This is also super common with tactile bags but it would also make it great for doing the smaller boards in the TKL sized bag or for adding cables or whatever.
Interesting. Maybe we could make one of the larger interior panels soft velcro (the one opposite the zipper and USB pocket) to accommodate that. Such an addition may be going too far in the direction of "tactical" and away from the sort of simple, elegant styling I would also like the bag to have, but it's definitely worth considering. I'm currently waiting on samples and swatches and will have a better sense after I've looked at those what will and won't work. I was hoping to have the interior of the bag be an interesting color to make it easier to see inside and also just to make it more interesting, and sourcing the same color of Velcro could prove a challenge.
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Tue, 14 March 2017, 23:07:25
Unfortunate, I might have been interested in a real tactical case.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Tue, 14 March 2017, 23:39:14
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 14 March 2017, 23:57:38
Tactical usually implies hard water tight case of mil grade plastic or kydex.
Nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 00:00:45
I am interested in this but a big factor for me buying it or not would be cost.
Totally understandable. Same here! :) I'm currently just messing around with various ideas and it's too early to say about the cost, but as with my recent CNC cases, I always treat cost control as a paramount concern. It's tough when making stuff at low quantities, but with a bit of diligence I've found it's usually possible to get stuff made at reasonable prices as long as you make that a goal. In any case, I can promise it would cost a decent amount less than your average Jack Spade bag (all made in China, not that I object, but usually starting around $300) and Goruck, which is also around $250 price point for the smallest and simplest of their designs, only going up from there. I can figure out a better price for us on something like this, I'm fairly sure. But we'll see. I'll need to finish the prototype first before I can start getting quotes, however, so it'll be a bit of time. At this point, I'm just collecting ideas and people's thoughts.
Post by: Puddsy on Wed, 15 March 2017, 00:35:37
Post by: OfTheWild on Wed, 15 March 2017, 00:42:19
not to make too many requests... but can the inside be soft velcro so we can add dividers and panels? This is also super common with tactile bags but it would also make it great for doing the smaller boards in the TKL sized bag or for adding cables or whatever.
Interesting. Maybe we could make one of the larger interior panels soft velcro (the one opposite the zipper and USB pocket) to accommodate that. Such an addition may be going too far in the direction of "tactical" and away from the sort of simple, elegant styling I would also like the bag to have, but it's definitely worth considering. I'm currently waiting on samples and swatches and will have a better sense after I've looked at those what will and won't work. I was hoping to have the interior of the bag be an interesting color to make it easier to see inside and also just to make it more interesting, and sourcing the same color of Velcro could prove a challenge.
I dont think you're getting what i mean. Check out the inside of a timbuk2 bag if you get a chance. Its lined with a fuzzy fabric that you can stick velcro dividers to. Photography bags are also usually made this way. Most 'tactical' cases do this as well to allow for rearranging of dividers or adding 'velcro tactical panels' like this: https://prometheusdesignwerx.com/collections/soft-goods/products/6x6-admin-tile?variant=35133983882
Anyway, I dont want to get you sidetracked. This is a cool idea! I am likely in for this since its way better than carrying expensive stuff around wrapped in towels.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 15 March 2017, 01:29:58
Probably down for one either way tho xD
Post by: Data on Wed, 15 March 2017, 07:01:46
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 15 March 2017, 08:38:47
Tactical usually implies hard water tight case of mil grade plastic or kydex.
Nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272
Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, just not what I expected. I think the 'case' vs 'bag' is the difference.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272#tbm=isch&q=tactical+case&*
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 09:54:15
Tactical usually implies hard water tight case of mil grade plastic or kydex.
Nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272
Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, just not what I expected. I think the 'case' vs 'bag' is the difference.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272#tbm=isch&q=tactical+case&*
Ah, ok. That's a fair point. I changed the name in the thread title.
I guess I had taken to calling it a "keyboard case case," which for some reason amuses me, since the idea grew out of making a carrying apparatus for the CNC cases I recently made and will probably be making again soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88095.0). So I guess I got attached to that term and didn't think that calling it a "bag" would probably be clearer.
In principle, a hard case for a keyboard would be awesome, but I think making something custom probably wouldn't offer much advantage over adapting a Pelican case, so I don't really have much to offer there that would be better than an off-the-shelf solution.
Post by: cynviloq on Wed, 15 March 2017, 12:36:03
How are you approaching the carry handles? For me, a keyboard case generally would go into another bag most of the time so I'd rather not have beefy handles that a typical carry bag would but understand the tradeoff of needing it for the heavier CNC cases... maybe handles that are foldable or even tuckable into the bag.
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 12:52:51
norbauer, at this point everything you've offered has been on my want list so far (NT case, RF87U case, carry bag) so you can basically count on +1 purchase from me for any idea.
How are you approaching the carry handles? For me, a keyboard case generally would go into another bag most of the time so I'd rather not have beefy handles that a typical carry bag would but understand the tradeoff of needing it for the heavier CNC cases... maybe handles that are foldable or even tuckable into the bag.
I've been giving some thought to this too. Rather than doing the big style of rigid leather handles you often seen on Jack Spade style bags, I'm thinking of maybe a hybrid approach with simple low-profile nylon webbing handles but with a thin layer of supple calfskin leather to give it a slightly nicer feel where the webbing rests in your hand. That is to say: it would be nylon webbing with a sewn-in-place sleeve of soft leather where your hand goes.
I'm thinking of also covering the piping at the seams in this same leather, as in my experience leather piping gives a much cleaner look. I find the Goruck shoulder bags, for example, to look kind of frumpy at the seams owing to the lack of piping. Tom Bihn bags always have piping at the seams, which makes them look nice, but I find that leather just looks nicer than the nylon that they usually use (Perhaps the leather lends rigidity to the piping, which keeps the seams looking crisper.)
Thanks so much for the kind and encouraging words, btw. :) That kind of thing really means a lot to me and seriously keeps me motivated in exploring projects like these.
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 15 March 2017, 15:44:55
Tactical usually implies hard water tight case of mil grade plastic or kydex.
Nonsense.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272
Don't get me wrong, it's a great idea, just not what I expected. I think the 'case' vs 'bag' is the difference.
https://www.google.com/search?q=tactical+bag&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiOvbC53NfSAhUHj1QKHURJCZ0Q_AUICSgC&biw=1280&bih=1272#tbm=isch&q=tactical+case&*
Ah, ok. That's a fair point. I changed the name in the thread title.
I guess I had taken to calling it a "keyboard case case," which for some reason amuses me, since the idea grew out of making a carrying apparatus for the CNC cases I recently made and will probably be making again soon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88095.0). So I guess I got attached to that term and didn't think that calling it a "bag" would probably be clearer.
In principle, a hard case for a keyboard would be awesome, but I think making something custom probably wouldn't offer much advantage over adapting a Pelican case, so I don't really have much to offer there that would be better than an off-the-shelf solution.
True and between Pelican and the other similar cases there is probably a case that closely fits a keyboard.
Have you given thought to having the top and bottom have a hard material sewn into it to give it just a little rigidness and added protection? I've seen it done in the bottom of duffle bags before.
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 16:25:45
Have you given thought to having the top and bottom have a hard material sewn into it to give it just a little rigidness and added protection? I've seen it done in the bottom of duffle bags before.
I'm currently looking at various closed-cell foams to use as padding for the bottom, which is a semi-rigid foam that won't readily take on water. The sides will be something thinner and more supple (sort of like dive suit neoprene) to avoid making the bag too bulky needlessly, but the sides will still be padded in some form or another.
Post by: sherryton on Wed, 15 March 2017, 16:37:21
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:13:39
I think the divider suggested by FoC_Tow should be used! I think there was a similar bag case for the hhkb.
Oh, cool. If anybody has pics, please post here. :)
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:15:06
Looking forward to this!
Edit: Also dig the style of the Go Ruck packs and rifle cases:
http://www.goruck.com/gr1-explained
http://www.goruck.com/rifle-case-black-/p/GEAR-000971
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:18:33
What type of material are being considered? Ballistic nylon, leather, waxed canvas?
Looking forward to this!
Outer shell: either black cordura or black ballistic. piping should hopefully be covered in black calfskin leather, assuming I can get the prototype to come out right.
Handle: nylon webbing with calfskin grip
Interior: ripstop nylon in lighter color (purple or red maybe), possibly with some kind of velcro attachment panel
I'm not a big fan of waxed canvas because of how it accumulates scratches over time. I know it's fixable with a heat gun, but it still just looks kind of rough and thus just isn't quite my style.
Post by: megaforce on Wed, 15 March 2017, 18:23:18
What type of material are being considered? Ballistic nylon, leather, waxed canvas?
Looking forward to this!
Outer shell: either black cordura or black ballistic. piping should hopefully be covered in black calfskin leather, assuming I can get the prototype to come out right.
Handle: nylon webbing with calfskin grip
Interior: ripstop nylon in lighter color (purple or red maybe), possibly with some kind of velcro attachment panel
I'm not a big fan of waxed canvas because of how it accumulates scratches over time. I know it's fixable with a heat gun, but it still just looks kind of rough and thus just isn't quite my style.
Cordura or ballistic would be perfect! Also added some links in my post above for some "tactical" bags.
Now if we could get a khaki or coyote brown ;) Any color would look great regardless with those materials.
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 15 March 2017, 19:17:01
Post by: -musubi on Wed, 15 March 2017, 19:57:04
Post by: bmmcwhirt on Wed, 15 March 2017, 20:50:18
Do you have any sketches yet of what you have in mind so far?
Since I cant visualize what you have in mind yet let me share some of my preferences.
I personally don't like zippers. The break and can get stuck. So buckle or velcro would be my preference, with snaps a third option. Buttons come off too easy unless they are riveted like on button fly jeans.
I really like the idea of modular attachments. So interchangeable handles and shoulder strap and a place to have a carabiner for attaching the bag to my backpack.
These are things I would like but this isn't my project and there is no way you can please everyone. Do feel free to take my ideas if you think they fit your design though.
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 05 May 2017, 18:36:11
The interior is designed to hold a keyboard with dimensions of up to 40cm x 20 cm x 5cm.
Fabrics: black ballistic on outside, silver gray light Cordura type material on interior with deep royal purple (!) seam binding. Extremely leather piping at seams and leather over nylon webbing for handles. This thing is going to be hardcore nerd hipster swank, with a touch of pseudo-badass, I promise. :rolleyes:
The exterior outward-facing side has MOLLE loops for easy access to (and showing off of) everyday carry stuff like flashlights, pens, etc.
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/Mockup%20-%20front.png)
There is a small patch pocket for a USB cable and a larger zippered pocket for small hand tools, keycaps, etc.
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/Mockup%20-%20interior.png)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/Iso%20mockup.png)
Logo patch (silver color metal hand-stitched against black felt):
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/Patch%20samples.jpg)
I should have a physical prototype of the bag in a few weeks. Woo!
Any suggestions are exceedingly welcome.
Post by: sth on Fri, 05 May 2017, 18:47:19
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 05 May 2017, 18:53:25
what sort of tactics does this bag apply to?
Mostly this
(https://media.tenor.co/images/fa50334115e1b850a0d5aec7b135f91e/tenor.gif)
Post by: sth on Fri, 05 May 2017, 18:58:28
what sort of tactics does this bag apply to?
Mostly thisShow Image(https://media.tenor.co/images/fa50334115e1b850a0d5aec7b135f91e/tenor.gif)
hmm how about some of this
(http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/finalfantasy/images/a/a1/Final_Fantasy_Tactics_Logo.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100721025111)
Post by: pr0ximity on Fri, 05 May 2017, 19:24:15
Post by: futurecrime on Fri, 05 May 2017, 20:10:38
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 05 May 2017, 20:24:01
Also would like to see a matching numpad bumbag.
Ha interesting. Maybe a MOLLE numpad pouch to go on the front! ;D
Post by: K.Mak on Thu, 11 May 2017, 03:44:00
My favorite keyboard cases were the hard cases that Keychatter used to sell before they changed management. Haven't been able to get a hard walled case since that time.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 11 May 2017, 05:55:04
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 11 May 2017, 06:21:11
this could make up as an portable work station nicely.
Post by: Owl- on Thu, 11 May 2017, 09:26:35
Post by: Robotical on Thu, 11 May 2017, 10:01:20
Count me in for one too!
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
I would settle for the ability to swap foam inserts. :)
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 11 May 2017, 10:02:55
this.Count me in for one too!
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
I would settle for the ability to swap foam inserts. :)
custom foam inserts rule.
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:16:02
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
We'll see how this project does. If people seem to like it and figuring out how to get it made isn't too painful/expensive, I'll definitely consider a 60% version. I could make designs for carry bags all day. I love these things. :D
Post by: laughatpain on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:17:50
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:23:38
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
We'll see how this project does. If people seem to like it and figuring out how to get it made isn't too painful/expensive, I'll definitely consider a 60% version. I could make designs for carry bags all day. I love these things. :D
Sound great,
Really loving the style of this case!
Would be awesome if a matching 60% makes it, but for now I'll probably join the foam insert squad aswell.
Funny that I didn't think of this, even tho I suggested the same think for a VE.A a few pages back xD
Count me in for a few in this case <3
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:39:43
If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
We'll see how this project does. If people seem to like it and figuring out how to get it made isn't too painful/expensive, I'll definitely consider a 60% version. I could make designs for carry bags all day. I love these things. :D
Sound great,
Really loving the style of this case!
Would be awesome if a matching 60% makes it, but for now I'll probably join the foam insert squad aswell.
Funny that I didn't think of this, even tho I suggested the same think for a VE.A a few pages back xD
Count me in for a few in this case <3
Thanks! I truly appreciate the support and encouragement. :D
Can you tell me more about your foam insert requirements? I like the idea abstractly, but I've been procrastinating on developing it because I'm worried about doing something half-baked just to add a feature. To be more precise: I'm trying to envision the use cases so I can design for them, and I'm having trouble formulating one that makes sense within the scope of the design. Is the idea to be able to have a padded divider so an iPad (or Kindle, or whatever) could be slid in along with the keyboard? Or is it so that two keyboards could be put in at the same time?
If the latter, I don't necessarily favor that idea, as it means making the bag more bulky and it starts to lose any particular advantage over any random briefcase. My idea was that this would be a very purpose-built (yes, very nerdy), decently form-fitting bag, just for a TKL keyboard and some support cables/tools—to be at the grab-and-go ready for impromptu keyboard assault missions, elite underground LAN parties, and clandestine GeekHack meet-ups. ;)
A numpad add-on will probably follow, which can be fastened to the front using the MOLLE loops. I feel like adding pockets and pads just to have "bullet points on the box," as it were, is a common pitfall of bag designers, so I'm hoping to shoot for something as simple and elegant and possible designed for one purpose and not to be an all-purpose bag that merely incidentally has a keyboard pocket, if that makes sense.
But I'm open to persuasion on this and all points. :) Please let me know more about what you guys were thinking in terms of the foam insert and its aims.
Kin's bag that he's offering with the TX1800
Can you share or link to an image?
Post by: laughatpain on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:56:41
Kin's bag that he's offering with the TX1800
Can you share or link to an image?
First iteration: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88916.msg2414177#msg2414177
Changes are listed in the second link
Second iteration: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88916.msg2420447#msg2420447
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 11 May 2017, 12:57:48
The VE.A is a split 75% with two additional macro rows, so it should be close to, but slightly smaller then tkl size.
With an insert splitting the case the two halfs would fit snugly aswell as get protected from bumping into each other, which should make for a very nice VE.A case.
In terms of 60s the Idea is pretty much the make the space inside smaller to fit a 60% snugly.
So basically make the case universally work with any size smaller then tkl.
So in general the idea is splitting rather layering if that makes sense xD
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 11 May 2017, 13:03:34
My Original idea was to make a Velcro in divider similar to modular camera bags.
The VE.A is a split 75% with two additional macro rows, so it should be close to, but slightly smaller then tkl size.
With an insert splitting the case the two halfs would fit snugly aswell as get protected from bumping into each other, which should make for a very nice VE.A case.
In terms of 60s the Idea is pretty much the make the space inside smaller to fit a 60% snugly.
So basically make the case universally work with any size smaller then tkl.
So in general the idea is splitting rather layering if that makes sense xD
Oh! So you're talking about dividers that run the short length of the bag (front to back, as it were), not the long length of the bag (i.e., side to side)?
Post by: Robotical on Thu, 11 May 2017, 13:19:44
... and not to be an all-purpose bag that merely incidentally has a keyboard pocket...
I wouldn't mind that at all to be honest. But I definitely understand what you are getting at. I think the big thing I want out of a keyboard bag is just enough to carry my daily drivers to and from work personally. So having the ability to add attachments to the bag would be wonderful.
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 11 May 2017, 13:27:04
I think the big thing I want out of a keyboard bag is just enough to carry my daily drivers to and from work personally.
Yes, frankly this is one of the main applications I had in mind, as I know a lot of people do this when they have a single keyboard that they particularly like.
Post by: ski_ on Thu, 11 May 2017, 13:57:25
I think the big thing I want out of a keyboard bag is just enough to carry my daily drivers to and from work personally.
Yes, frankly this is one of the main applications I had in mind, as I know a lot of people do this when they have a single keyboard that they particularly like.
+1 to this.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 11 May 2017, 14:01:19
I've been looking for a decent bag myself for my 60 percent.If only we could get a 60 version aswell xD
We'll see how this project does. If people seem to like it and figuring out how to get it made isn't too painful/expensive, I'll definitely consider a 60% version. I could make designs for carry bags all day. I love these things. :D
There aren't any good ones that feel like they can protect aluminum.
Post by: neralo on Fri, 12 May 2017, 00:11:12
Post by: dbucklin on Fri, 12 May 2017, 09:35:14
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 15 June 2017, 22:00:32
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 15 June 2017, 22:34:46
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)Mind blown!
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
I thought this was going to be about as good as the hhkb bag/case.
This blew those out of the water.
Good job!
Hopefully, other size cases can be made. Or, at least make the tkl compatible with 60, 65, etc boards
Post by: Puddsy on Thu, 15 June 2017, 23:42:21
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 16 June 2017, 10:46:41
Post by: Robotical on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:06:43
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:45:34
Post by: ppp on Fri, 16 June 2017, 11:49:37
Good work ;D ;D ;D
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 16 June 2017, 13:01:35
Great. Now I'm gonna look even more bougie carrying my laptop bag AND keyboard bag around..can you please share your laptop bag?
Good work ;D ;D ;D
I am about doing the step from a msi laptop to a ipad pro, as the battery lifetime at 2hours sucked hard..
Depending on size the ipad (13") could fit aswell
Post by: ppp on Fri, 16 June 2017, 14:02:15
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 16 June 2017, 14:45:39
Post by: iMav on Fri, 16 June 2017, 15:36:41
Post by: Puddsy on Fri, 16 June 2017, 16:28:38
I think this needs to be paired with a nice GH patch!
Send me one and I'll do it.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 16 June 2017, 16:48:41
Post by: riotonthebay on Fri, 16 June 2017, 16:54:04
Post by: norbauer on Sat, 17 June 2017, 15:25:06
Looks great! Now that a prototype has been made, is there any more word on potential cost?
Not yet. Soft goods are kind of more complicated to get quoted than something like a CNC case, because you have to develop a whole tech pack specifying exactly how it is to be made. That process is almost done and then I can send out for quotes. Honestly, I have zero idea at this how much it'll cost—hopefully low enough to be feasible though!
Post by: poolside on Sun, 18 June 2017, 15:51:37
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
That white NT case looks good! Between space station and enigma white.
How thick is the padding on the sides?
Post by: robotsokk on Sun, 18 June 2017, 17:15:08
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
This is such a slick-looking bag. The simplicity is great, and being a TKL fan, the size is perfect. Regarding a 60% bag -- that should just be a different bag (smaller in size for a more snug fit), versus an insert of some sort for this bag. Just my unsolicited 2c on that.
For the "seam binding," is the idea that there could be different colors to choose from? :)
Also, it looks like there's a good touch of padding on the inside of the bag in the front/back. I take it a decent enough amount to be adequate protection if walking around during morning/evening commute rush on the bus or train? That's the most strenuous regular-use scenario I'd be putting it through.
The prototype looks really good! I would absolutely be in for one. It'd pair nicely with my future Norbauer NT Al case :)
Post by: cynviloq on Sun, 18 June 2017, 17:38:42
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
Do you mind sharing the dimensions of the prototype? Particularly the larger pocket actual usable space?
Just trying to size up what other items I would be able to include with the board.
Post by: OfTheWild on Mon, 19 June 2017, 20:51:39
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 21 June 2017, 07:20:59
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
OK, at last, here are some pics of my prototype. Looking forward to hearing what folks think. I am thinking about also doing a modular MOLLE pocket for the front that could be used to carry a separate numpad. :)
The silver bullion wire patch came out especially nicely, I think. The leather accents also make it feel super spiff—and I love the purple seam binding. I'm pretty happy with where things are headed.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/with-keyboard-inside-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/keyboard-insert-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/handle-1.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/prototype1/pocket-1.jpg)
This is great. I'm in for one or two. Colours: khaki, coyote and black?
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 21 June 2017, 07:28:05
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 21 June 2017, 10:12:20
If you really want to go hardcore probably use High Strength AustriAlpin quick release Cobra buckles for closure the way defybags.com does.
Haha. Those are super cool and indeed hardcore, but I think I'll stick with the more mediumcore HK style snap hooks on this project, since the Cobras would add like $55 to the cost. The ones I chose are still military style snap hooks and are themselves already a welcome level of overkill on this already intentionally overkill bag. ;)
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 21 June 2017, 10:41:12
(would be cooll
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 21 June 2017, 11:36:10
Does a ergodox full hand case fit in such a bag?
(would be cooll
I've seen a few in person, and from memory I would think so. I'm still finalizing the dimensions (which is the reason I haven't yet answered the question from above yet) and can verify. Can you post the dims of the ergodox full hand board?
Post by: dubious on Wed, 21 June 2017, 18:21:28
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 21 June 2017, 18:48:24
Looks awesome! I would kind of like a hard shell case though, similar to my old Tom Bihn laptop tote. It has a thin, corrugated plastic barrier that protects the laptop. Not sure they make this style anymore though :/
It's called the Brain Cell, and I believe they still make them. I've been to the Tom Bihn factory and love their stuff. :)
Post by: Data on Thu, 22 June 2017, 08:41:26
Can it be coated for NIR compliance?
Post by: dubious on Thu, 22 June 2017, 13:53:10
Looks awesome! I would kind of like a hard shell case though, similar to my old Tom Bihn laptop tote. It has a thin, corrugated plastic barrier that protects the laptop. Not sure they make this style anymore though :/
It's called the Brain Cell, and I believe they still make them. I've been to the Tom Bihn factory and love their stuff. :)
Ahh you're right! It's more of a standalone bag than an add on now. Factory tour sounds pretty awesome. I've had my bag 10+ years with minimal wear/tear, but the zipper finally started giving out.
buuut I would love to have a hard-shell for my keeb$ ;D
Post by: Troif on Fri, 23 June 2017, 17:10:53
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Post by: madindehead on Tue, 27 June 2017, 08:22:09
Post by: Latin00032 on Tue, 27 June 2017, 09:21:19
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 29 June 2017, 12:36:17
Do you think this case would fit a fc980c? It's a little bigger than a tkl.
Do you have the dimensions? I'm currently tweaking the bag a tiny bit to ensure that the hefty RealForce TKL case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89451.msg2446126#msg2446126) I'm working on will fit inside.
I'm also currently working on a numpad pouch that will attach to the front via the MOLLE loops. :)
Also adding velcro swappable patches. I think I might do individual patches with illustrations of the various switches: Topre, MX Red, MX Blue, etc., so you can let everybody what's inside--if that's your thing.
Post by: Latin00032 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 13:22:27
I don't own one, yet. I was looking for a used one for a good price.Do you think this case would fit a fc980c? It's a little bigger than a tkl.
Do you have the dimensions? I'm currently tweaking the bag a tiny bit to ensure that the hefty RealForce TKL case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=89451.msg2446126#msg2446126) I'm working on will fit inside.
I'm also currently working on a numpad pouch that will attach to the front via the MOLLE loops. :)
Also adding velcro swappable patches. I think I might do individual patches with illustrations of the various switches: Topre, MX Red, MX Blue, etc., so you can let everybody what's inside--if that's your thing.
Maybe someone else on gh will chime in on the fc980c dimensions.
Post by: pon10 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 14:23:39
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 29 June 2017, 14:36:57
Haha dope project!, just few thoughts, to get the mil style molle a updated look. check out lasercut molle, looks super cool and gives a cleaner look. The line that goes around the bag should be on the inside imo. just thoughts :) And BLACK MULTICAM! would be awesome haha
I'm actually familiar with laser-cut MOLLE. It's a cool concept in general—almost surely reduces production costs, for one thing—but for this bag I didn't like how it would show the lining, especially as in my case I wanted a complementary color for the lining rather than the same color as the shell. So I think for this particular application oldskool MOLLE makes the most sense aesthetically, though I totally agree with you that laser cut MOLLE is a cool thing, especially for people who have actual tactical applications rather than the total poseur/hipster affair that my project really is. :)
Post by: pon10 on Thu, 29 June 2017, 15:26:25
Haha dope project!, just few thoughts, to get the mil style molle a updated look. check out lasercut molle, looks super cool and gives a cleaner look. The line that goes around the bag should be on the inside imo. just thoughts :) And BLACK MULTICAM! would be awesome haha
I'm actually familiar with laser-cut MOLLE. It's a cool concept in general—almost surely reduces production costs, for one thing—but for this bag I didn't like how it would show the lining, especially as in my case I wanted a complementary color for the lining rather than the same color as the shell. So I think for this particular application oldskool MOLLE makes the most sense aesthetically, though I totally agree with you that laser cut MOLLE is a cool thing, especially for people who have actual tactical applications rather than the total poseur/hipster affair that my project really is. :)
Yeah u cant have enough MOLLE for stuff its awesome never the less, i have tried myself with various gun bags but unfortunately non in TKL gun size :D and all of them just almost fit a 60. but maybe in R2 a laser cut options could occur and accent colors could be added as back panel :)) looking forward to see how its gonna come out, good work mate!
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 25 July 2017, 09:09:55
Post by: norbauer on Tue, 25 July 2017, 10:20:38
Haha dope project!, just few thoughts, to get the mil style molle a updated look. check out lasercut molle, looks super cool and gives a cleaner look. The line that goes around the bag should be on the inside imo. just thoughts :) And BLACK MULTICAM! would be awesome haha
I'm actually familiar with laser-cut MOLLE. It's a cool concept in general—almost surely reduces production costs, for one thing—but for this bag I didn't like how it would show the lining, especially as in my case I wanted a complementary color for the lining rather than the same color as the shell. So I think for this particular application oldskool MOLLE makes the most sense aesthetically, though I totally agree with you that laser cut MOLLE is a cool thing, especially for people who have actual tactical applications rather than the total poseur/hipster affair that my project really is. :)
Yeah u cant have enough MOLLE for stuff its awesome never the less, i have tried myself with various gun bags but unfortunately non in TKL gun size :D and all of them just almost fit a 60. but maybe in R2 a laser cut options could occur and accent colors could be added as back panel :)) looking forward to see how its gonna come out, good work mate!
Thanks! As a quick update, the prototype is being re-worked just a little bit right now in order to increase the width slightly, as I felt that it required a bit too much effort to pull open the zipper to get the keyboard into and out of the bag. I want to to have a nice comfortable gap to make it easy to get most TKLs in and out of the bag. Once that is done (this week or next), it'll be ready to send off to get some quotes! :)
Post by: madindehead on Wed, 26 July 2017, 06:23:35
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Post by: norbauer on Sun, 30 July 2017, 11:05:13
Please make It a reality
I'm working on it. :) The numpad add-on module is being prototyped this coming week.
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 13 August 2017, 11:49:57
Sorry that these photos are a bit grubby; they're in a the dusty workshop, but they should at least give a sense of where I'm heading with this.
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/attached.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/with%20keypad.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/Molle%20loop%20attachment.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/numpad-prototype1/binding.jpg)
More updates soon.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 13 August 2017, 12:07:59
A quick update here, lest anyone should think progress isn't happening. :) The modular numpad bag prototype is now complete, since I decided it makes more sense to make both together at the same time. We've also expanded the width of the bag just a bit in order more comfortably to accommodate my forthcoming (and rather generously sized) RealForce case.
Sorry that these photos are a bit grubby; they're in a the dusty workshop, but they should at least give a sense of where I'm heading with this.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/attached.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/with%20keypad.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/Molle%20loop%20attachment.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/binding.jpg)
More updates soon.
I'm gonna need one for sure.
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 14 August 2017, 00:51:49
Post by: Rykno on Mon, 14 August 2017, 08:14:25
Post by: Latin00032 on Mon, 14 August 2017, 08:21:45
I'm interested in the 60% attache for my Fjell :cool:Ditto. A 60 percent would be great for a round 2
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 14 August 2017, 10:40:56
Is this bag good enough for some heavy kustom keyboards? I am thinking of buying this for my TX84 and TXPad
Yes, that is the purpose for which it is designed.
Post by: Waateva on Mon, 14 August 2017, 10:53:54
A quick update here, lest anyone should think progress isn't happening. :) The modular numpad bag prototype is now complete, since I decided it makes more sense to make both together at the same time. We've also expanded the width of the bag just a bit in order more comfortably to accommodate my forthcoming (and rather generously sized) RealForce case.
Sorry that these photos are a bit grubby; they're in a the dusty workshop, but they should at least give a sense of where I'm heading with this.Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/attached.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/with%20keypad.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/Molle%20loop%20attachment.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/handle.jpg)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/7116954/TKL%20bag/numpad-prototype1/binding.jpg)
More updates soon.
Looks great, keep up the good work!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 14 August 2017, 13:59:06
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 14 August 2017, 14:24:25
how hard would it be to line the edges with foam? the craftsmanship on the bag looks great, but i dont see any padding to protect the edges/corners of a keyboard
The edges are actually quite well protected, actually. Most of the seams have about 6-8 layers of material coming together, including some decently thick/lofty materials. I'll have to wait and check on the final patterns, but I think the foam padding may actually get sewn right into those seams as well.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Mon, 14 August 2017, 15:36:04
I'm interested in the 60% attache for my Fjell :cool:Ditto. A 60 percent would be great for a round 2
Down for a 60 too.
Your talking seperate bag tho right, not an attachment?
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 14 August 2017, 16:21:48
I'm a literature student, so a bag I can carry my keyboard and my book in would be perfect. Numpad pocket looks a bit small as is.
Just a thought, kind of a random thing. I always have like 3-4 books on me at any point in the school year, so it's nice to be able to keep them out of my backpack, since it's very small.
Post by: Nonster on Mon, 14 August 2017, 19:40:43
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Post by: OfTheWild on Tue, 05 September 2017, 16:59:16
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 10 September 2017, 11:11:26
Keep up the great work :thumb:
Post by: vinzlr on Mon, 11 September 2017, 14:02:42
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 11 September 2017, 14:24:17
Sorry if you said somewhere else but will this be big enough to fit a realforce? And I'm definitely in for one of these!
Yes, even one of my forthcoming cases CNC cases for the RF. :) I specifically re-designed the bag for that purpose when I realized that my RF case would be a slightly tight fit. I just got the revised prototype back the other day and am working on documenting the requirements and getting quotes now. :)
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 11 September 2017, 15:00:22
Is the outside, the inside, or both of the bag MOLLE compatible?
If both in and outside it should be easier to tinker and get a matching MOLLE pocket
Post by: vinzlr on Mon, 11 September 2017, 15:05:02
Sorry if you said somewhere else but will this be big enough to fit a realforce? And I'm definitely in for one of these!
Yes, even one of my forthcoming cases CNC cases for the RF. :) I specifically re-designed the bag for that purpose when I realized that my RF case would be a slightly tight fit. I just got the revised prototype back the other day and am working on documenting the requirements and getting quotes now. :)
Awesome, thats exactly what I was wondering since I just got a RF to put in your upcoming case <3
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 11 September 2017, 15:07:13
I second the larger numpad pocket - maybe Preonic sized?
Is the outside, the inside, or both of the bag MOLLE compatible?
If both in and outside it should be easier to tinker and get a matching MOLLE pocket
The numpad pocket is actually quite oversized, mostly for reasons of visual aesthetics and ease of attachment. However, if you can give me the size of the Preonic, I should be able to confirm fit for you.
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 11 September 2017, 15:59:46
Whats up With the MOLLE?
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 11 September 2017, 16:01:32
Whats up With the MOLLE?
The MOLLE is just on the outside. The interior has an enlarged zipper pocket (compared to my first version). The pocket zipper also has a protective flap, and the large bag zipper now has a protective padded gusset to prevent any contact between the zipper slider and an aluminum case inside the bag.
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 12 September 2017, 11:24:13
Post by: Waateva on Fri, 22 December 2017, 08:58:59
Post by: Darknight00z on Sun, 11 March 2018, 17:10:32
Post by: Manticzeus on Sun, 11 March 2018, 17:58:24
Any updates on this?
Same.
Post by: BobCarltheThird on Sun, 11 March 2018, 19:11:04
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 11 March 2018, 22:27:50
The trick with a lot of these low-quantity, niche manufacturing runs is just being persistent and finding a factory (usually a smaller, more artisanal one) that is the right match. Just takes time.
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 12 March 2018, 06:45:19
I've done a fair amount of investigations so far but haven't yet been able to find a factory that is willing to do these at any sort of plausible MOQ. I do have some good leads, though, and will keep at it. :) I'm confident I'll be able to figure something out.
The trick with a lot of these low-quantity, niche manufacturing runs is just being persistent and finding a factory (usually a smaller, more artisanal one) that is the right match. Just takes time.
Take your time mate but please make it happen. It'll be great if the bag can fit the Norbaforce. The bag's design is amazing.
Post by: audax989 on Mon, 12 March 2018, 07:18:11
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 12 March 2018, 10:49:19
have you decided what the inner lining will be?
Current plan is a lighter-weight Cordura or some other form of nylon. However, I've been thinking of doing something maybe softer and more interesting/luxurious. I figure that I'll sort that out with the final factory once it is selected, as the fabrics they can source will likely be different than the ones I can find for the prototype.
Post by: captsis on Sat, 17 March 2018, 15:15:25
I saw "tactical", and was lowkey expecting something like this..Funny story I am legitimately considering buying a pelican case that can hold my boards. Not because I need it. But because it's cool as ****Show Image(http://www.pelican-gun-cases.com/images/pelican-cases-472-pwc-m4-sf-big.jpg)
Totally interested in this and will turn that interest into a sale
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Sat, 17 March 2018, 17:15:30
I saw "tactical", and was lowkey expecting something like this..Funny story I am legitimately considering buying a pelican case that can hold my boards. Not because I need it. But because it's cool as ****Show Image(http://www.pelican-gun-cases.com/images/pelican-cases-472-pwc-m4-sf-big.jpg)
Totally interested in this and will turn that interest into a sale
I picked up a cheap harbor freight 'pelican' case for my kishsaver. Like you said, overkill, but pretty cool.
Post by: neoice on Wed, 21 March 2018, 14:08:34
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Post by: norbauer on Thu, 12 April 2018, 11:06:01
Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 12 April 2018, 12:07:35
Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
How about this: have a „pocket“ in which one can put foam sheets into - if one does not care for this that pocket can be used for... something. CDs? Random accessories? Adapters? Whatnot.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Thu, 12 April 2018, 12:38:55
What about the velcro divider for split boards tho?
My ve.a needs a new home xD
Post by: neoice on Thu, 12 April 2018, 13:26:36
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Heh yeah, It's just that I keep reading how Topre keys don't like to remain pressed for long periods of time hence the concern. I think something simple at the bottom of the bag that makes it lean on the back side of the keyboard when being carried should work?
Post by: runsamok on Thu, 12 April 2018, 13:42:26
Post by: whytwokay on Sun, 15 April 2018, 22:59:51
Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 April 2018, 07:41:18
Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
A vote to please not use pick & pluck foam. Though it has it's place, I don't think that's here, nor would it solve the problems that have been stated with keypresses and such, but would tend to make other problems.
Post by: whytwokay on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:07:49
Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
A vote to please not use pick & pluck foam. Though it has it's place, I don't think that's here, nor would it solve the problems that have been stated with keypresses and such, but would tend to make other problems.
I'm not super sure how it would interact with a soft case like this, but my thought was that it would fill the rest of the case and would prevent the keyboard from sliding around (if you had a board that did not perfectly fill the intereior) while also allowing for the flexibility/support for a lot of case sizes. I don't think it would prevent the keys from being pressed either - I think the velcro strap suggestion would be a better fix to hold the case in place, or maybe including a hard-ish shell to prevent anything other than the case putting weight on the keycaps.
I'm curious what other problems might come up if the foam was included or what problems you've seen crop up when using it?
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 April 2018, 15:24:03
'm not super sure how it would interact with a soft case like this, but my thought was that it would fill the rest of the case and would prevent the keyboard from sliding around (if you had a board that did not perfectly fill the intereior) while also allowing for the flexibility/support for a lot of case sizes. I don't think it would prevent the keys from being pressed either - I think the velcro strap suggestion would be a better fix to hold the case in place, or maybe including a hard-ish shell to prevent anything other than the case putting weight on the keycaps.
I'm curious what other problems might come up if the foam was included or what problems you've seen crop up when using it?
The pick & pluck I've used, even from high end, has had debris problems, even when not picked. With a keyboard, that could be pretty bad. It's also usually used to compartmentalize, which isn't really what this needs, so wouldn't solve the problem IMO. Perhaps thin strips of foam at best, especially, as you said, this is soft sided. But not pick and pluck. Just my opinion.
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 16 April 2018, 17:08:13
'm not super sure how it would interact with a soft case like this, but my thought was that it would fill the rest of the case and would prevent the keyboard from sliding around (if you had a board that did not perfectly fill the intereior) while also allowing for the flexibility/support for a lot of case sizes. I don't think it would prevent the keys from being pressed either - I think the velcro strap suggestion would be a better fix to hold the case in place, or maybe including a hard-ish shell to prevent anything other than the case putting weight on the keycaps.
I'm curious what other problems might come up if the foam was included or what problems you've seen crop up when using it?
The pick & pluck I've used, even from high end, has had debris problems, even when not picked. With a keyboard, that could be pretty bad. It's also usually used to compartmentalize, which isn't really what this needs, so wouldn't solve the problem IMO. Perhaps thin strips of foam at best, especially, as you said, this is soft sided. But not pick and pluck. Just my opinion.
What do you mean by "debris problems"?
Post by: whytwokay on Mon, 16 April 2018, 17:37:41
'm not super sure how it would interact with a soft case like this, but my thought was that it would fill the rest of the case and would prevent the keyboard from sliding around (if you had a board that did not perfectly fill the intereior) while also allowing for the flexibility/support for a lot of case sizes. I don't think it would prevent the keys from being pressed either - I think the velcro strap suggestion would be a better fix to hold the case in place, or maybe including a hard-ish shell to prevent anything other than the case putting weight on the keycaps.
I'm curious what other problems might come up if the foam was included or what problems you've seen crop up when using it?
The pick & pluck I've used, even from high end, has had debris problems, even when not picked. With a keyboard, that could be pretty bad. It's also usually used to compartmentalize, which isn't really what this needs, so wouldn't solve the problem IMO. Perhaps thin strips of foam at best, especially, as you said, this is soft sided. But not pick and pluck. Just my opinion.
Ahh I can totally see what you mean. I have a pelican with the P&P type foam, and over many hundreds of uses I've occasionally seen a small amount (like a few "flecks") of the black foam material come out when I remove my stuff from the case, so I definitely agree with you that the pick and pluck wouldn't be good for a "travel case" that you will be constantly putting the keyboard into/taking the keyboard from.
I still think a foam insert would be important in a case to make sure the case isn't rubbing on the bag itself, but maybe more of a laser-cut or blank closed-cell foam would be a better choice?
I'm still really digging the overall idea and design of the case, and would probably cut my own insert or something if there's not an option like it that's offered if/when this becomes available :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 16 April 2018, 18:31:34
'm not super sure how it would interact with a soft case like this, but my thought was that it would fill the rest of the case and would prevent the keyboard from sliding around (if you had a board that did not perfectly fill the intereior) while also allowing for the flexibility/support for a lot of case sizes. I don't think it would prevent the keys from being pressed either - I think the velcro strap suggestion would be a better fix to hold the case in place, or maybe including a hard-ish shell to prevent anything other than the case putting weight on the keycaps.
I'm curious what other problems might come up if the foam was included or what problems you've seen crop up when using it?
The pick & pluck I've used, even from high end, has had debris problems, even when not picked. With a keyboard, that could be pretty bad. It's also usually used to compartmentalize, which isn't really what this needs, so wouldn't solve the problem IMO. Perhaps thin strips of foam at best, especially, as you said, this is soft sided. But not pick and pluck. Just my opinion.
What do you mean by "debris problems"?
whytwokay says it above.
Post by: captsis on Tue, 17 April 2018, 12:38:13
I feel like that would be pelican case territory no?Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
Post by: whytwokay on Thu, 19 April 2018, 18:44:05
I feel like that would be pelican case territory no?Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
I mean a lot of manufacturers use the pick-and-pluck-type foam for all kinds of cases; it's not unique to Pelican. Also, Pelican doesn't produce any soft cases like this afaik.
But chuckdee made a solid point - I don't think it would be the best option for most people who would use this as an everyday carry bag for their keyboard due to the foam flaking apart with daily use.
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 19 April 2018, 18:58:20
I feel like that would be pelican case territory no?Man, this can't come out soon enough. I just got a realforce 87u for the office and have been looking HARD for a case to transport it to/from work and all the bags that came up when searching are no longer produced (like the leopold bag from elitekeyboards). I don't like just using a backpack since I'm sure keys are getting pressed.
Keys are designed to withstand pressing, you know? ;D
It never occurred to me to care about this issue myself; what do other folks think? I could probably add some foam blocks on each side to prevent accidental key pressing, but it would limit the range of keyboards with which the case would be compatible, I would think. At least that would be the case unless I engineered a more sophisticated adjustable velcro-based solution. That could be fun though. :)
By way of an update, I'm still searching for a vendor who is willing to make this at non-astronomically-high quantities. =\
Maybe you could use a pick/pluck-type foam? I wouldn't be worried about key presses as much as the case/keycaps rubbing or rattling repeatedly against the side when the bags moving.
Nice case, though! I like the design overall :thumb:
I mean a lot of manufacturers use the pick-and-pluck-type foam for all kinds of cases; it's not unique to Pelican. Also, Pelican doesn't produce any soft cases like this afaik.
But chuckdee made a solid point - I don't think it would be the best option for most people who would use this as an everyday carry bag for their keyboard due to the foam flaking apart with daily use.
Yeah, I'm not a big fan either. I'm currently looking at the kind of padded velcro inserts you see on Billingham bags to prop up camera lenses.
Post by: Acereconkeys on Mon, 07 May 2018, 03:26:13
Hope the search for a factory willing to make it is going well!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 May 2018, 00:44:02
Post by: Waateva on Thu, 10 May 2018, 07:57:21
Can't remember if I've signed up my interest, but here we are.
Your interest has been noted.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 10 May 2018, 08:25:59
But not signed up? :(Can't remember if I've signed up my interest, but here we are.
Your interest has been noted.
Post by: Acereconkeys on Thu, 10 May 2018, 11:26:00
Post by: norbauer on Sat, 16 June 2018, 23:44:42
My plan is to do both the TKL and Number Pad bags at the same time. I'm upgrading the interior lining to genuine suede and have made several other improvements since the prototype. The bullion wire patch will come by default with my insignia, but I'll also offer optional Cherry MX and Topre patches, which are swappable because of their velcro backing. The number pad bag attaches via MOLLE loops to the TKL bag but can be used on its own via its high-quality stitched leather handle. Both bags will have really awesome leather-covered piping, nice details like fancy seam binding, zipper covers, heavy-duty padding, waterproof cordura outer shell, etc. It's as much a fancy-pants luxury bag for your most prized keyboard as it is a "tactical" bag, but it's a sort of hybrid of what I think to be the best of both types of carry bag. :)
I should have proper samples this coming week from the California maker and will post very detailed photos and perhaps a video. The fancier materials and USA manufacturing are going to make this a somewhat different and more expensive/high-end product, but I think it'll be worth it. Pricing should be under $200 for the TKL bag, and I'm not quite sure yet what for the number pad bag, but it should be proportionally less—still waiting on numbers for the factory based on how hard it is for them to make the samples. Of course, I'll do a reduced price for people who want to get both together. That's not inexpensive, I know, but it's non-trivially less than the many similar bags made by Jack Spade, which are all made in China.
Please fill out the poll if you're interested! (https://www.surveymonkey.com/r/PYVP8K6) This will let me determine whether it's economically feasible. :)
As a reminder, here is the general look:
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/main-1.jpg)
(https://cdn.norbauer.com/webshares/tkl-bag/prototype1/patch-1.jpg)
More photos in this post. (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88213.msg2441266#msg2441266)
And more a finalized version coming hopefully within the coming week!
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 16 June 2018, 23:47:08
I don't know if my broke college student ass would be able to shell out for it, but glad this is moving towards happening.
Post by: Wetherbee on Sat, 16 June 2018, 23:59:05
* YKK® AquaGuard® zippers, TSA lockable with silent zipper pulls (Paracord).
* 22 oz. Water-Resistant Semi-Truck Tarpaulin (black) for the outer facing material, or maybe just on the non-molle side that touches your body, possibly with an interior pocket for quick access or specifically for USB cables. That way people could wear the bag two ways by flipping it over - one side with a minimalist clean face and one side with a military molle / velcro face for accessories. You could also use this material with bonded hypalon or fidlock attachments like on Black Ember Citadel series to attach an accessory or numpad bag rather than the dated molle look. Keep the edge sides in Cordura Ballistic Nylon, 1000D or 1680D, possibly reinforced with seatbelt material.
* Closed cell foam padding for keyboard protection, elevate keyboard away from corners. Crappy foam will be the first thing to break down besides the zippers.
* Matte black steel gun clips and d-rings. No cheap plastic.
* Fidlock magnetic quick release buckle on chest strap, or even better would be AustriAlpin™ COBRA® Quick Release buckle to echo the theme.
High quality milspec seatbelt material ala DEFY Chicago bags would probably be better for your handles and straps. It can also reinforce the cordura nicely around the bag edges to stiffen the bag and keep shape.
Consider extending the zipper so that the bag opens flat. Consider the user experience - high end custom keyboards are usually grapsed by the sides, and especially the more heavy or bulky designs will be awkward to slide out of the top of the bag without scratching keys across the zippers or dropping the keyboard. If the bag opens flat you can display and pick up the keyboard effortlessly and safely with two hands. TX keyboards has a very nice hardshell case that does this perfectly and is absolutely necessary when handling heavy brass keyboards.
Suggest making the interior a light grey color so it is easier to see in the bag, e.g Aer San Francisco Work Collection. I don't think I've ever seen suede on a technical milspec bag - I typically look for reflective Cordura materials (Tumi has a nice honeycomb silver). I don't know if suede is an upgrade or not from a performance/protection/price perspective.
What I really like is that the Velcro let's you remove the gaudy logos or add your own. I hate logos. I don't understand paying for something that makes me a walking advertisement. The removable patch is a good compromise between people that want it and people that dont. Very much reminds me how GoRuck does it, which also means it complies with Army Regulation 670-1 which specifically disallows commercial logos.
However, I wish the Velcro patch was square or rectangular to use the same design language as the rest of the bag. The molle for the pens also isn't spaced the same vertically as the regular molle next to it, which causes me some OCD. If you stick with Molle it would also be nice if the Molle went all the way across the bag front to the reinforced edges so that it would work with the Massdrop x Intern Series Weatherproof Modular Carry Pouches as well as the Mission Workshop ARKIV(tm) and competing compatible systems. It would also be more modern and cleaner. You could then echo the bottom two rows of Molle on the sides of the bag for additional utility if you decide not to extend the zipper.
Post by: Puddsy on Sun, 17 June 2018, 00:12:13
Post by: audax989 on Sun, 17 June 2018, 03:11:32
I like the rifle bearing clasps. I'd like to see some modifications, however:
* YKK® AquaGuard® zippers, TSA lockable with silent zipper pulls (Paracord).
* 22 oz. Water-Resistant Semi-Truck Tarpaulin (black) for the outer facing material, or maybe just on the non-molle side that touches your body, possibly with an interior pocket for quick access or specifically for USB cables. That way people could wear the bag two ways by flipping it over - one side with a minimalist clean face and one side with a military molle / velcro face for accessories. You could also use this material with bonded hypalon or fidlock attachments like on Black Ember Citadel series to attach an accessory or numpad bag rather than the dated molle look. Keep the edge sides in Cordura Ballistic Nylon, 1000D or 1680D, possibly reinforced with seatbelt material.
* Closed cell foam padding for keyboard protection, elevate keyboard away from corners. Crappy foam will be the first thing to break down besides the zippers.
* Matte black steel gun clips and d-rings. No cheap plastic.
* Fidlock magnetic quick release buckle on chest strap, or even better would be AustriAlpin™ COBRA® Quick Release buckle to echo the theme.
High quality milspec seatbelt material ala DEFY Chicago bags would probably be better for your handles and straps. It can also reinforce the cordura nicely around the bag edges to stiffen the bag and keep shape.
Consider extending the zipper so that the bag opens flat. Consider the user experience - high end custom keyboards are usually grapsed by the sides, and especially the more heavy or bulky designs will be awkward to slide out of the top of the bag. If the bag opens flat you can display and pick up the keyboard effortlessly. TX keyboards has a very nice hardshell case that does this perfectly and is absolutely necessary when handling heavy brass keyboards.
Suggest making the interior a light grey color so it is easier to see in the bag, e.g Aer San Francisco Work Collection. I don't think I've ever seen suede on a technical milspec bag - I typically look for reflective Cordura materials (Tumi has a nice honeycomb silver). I don't know if suede is an upgrade or not from a performance/protection/price perspective.
What I really like is that the Velcro let's you remove the gaudy logos or add your own. I hate logos. I don't understand paying for something that makes me a walking advertisement. The removable patch is a good compromise between people that want it and people that dont. Very much reminds me how GoRuck does it, which also means it complies with Army Regulation 670-1 which specifically disallows commercial logos.
However, I wish the Velcro patch was square or rectangular to use the same design language as the rest of the bag. The molle for the pens also isn't spaced the same vertically as the regular molle next to it, which causes me some OCD. If you stick with Molle it would also be nice if the Molle went all the way across the bag front to the reinforced edges so that it would work with the Massdrop x Intern Series Weatherproof Modular Carry Pouches. It would also be more modern and cleaner. You could then echo the bottom two rows of Molle on the sides of the bag for additional utility if you decide not to extend the zipper.
Really interested in how that hypalon material on the citadel is going to feel like. Still waiting on that tracking number.
Post by: alisonica on Sun, 17 June 2018, 08:23:12
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 17 June 2018, 12:51:59
YKK zips or bust tbh
Yes, one of the changes in the new sample is using a better zipper. The prototype used a coil zipper, which I wasn’t a huge fan of. I’m pretty sure both will have been YKK, however, but I’ll verify.
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 17 June 2018, 13:43:27
It probably makes most sense to think of this project as I've envisioned it as a more of a "keyboard brief," which incidentally has what we can perhaps call a nod to tactical-bag aesthetics rather than a full-on, hard-core, mil-spec bag for carrying on assassination missions. I renamed the thread accordingly to avoid confusion.
Really, the concept grew out of my love for the soft briefcases made by Jack Spade (basically, metrosexual man-bags) but in response to my frustration that their briefcases aren't quite right for carrying around keyboards to meet-ups and working outside of the home (wrong size/proportions, no padding, scratchy interior zipper pulls, often no closable interior pockets for small parts or tools). But I'm also into Goruck bags and the more or less minimalist black-centric style seen in a lot of tactical gear. So this bag is a sort of hybrid of those concerns and aesthetics on my part, and a response to my own singular quirks and desires in a bag. I've added things in response to community requests, such as the MOLLE number pad bag option, but ultimately this is still it's pretty much just the bag I wanted for myself. It sounds like yours would look different and be something different, and that's cool. Maybe that's the one I can I make next. ;) Or, better yet, I'd be happy to help you look into making one of your own and offering it up to the community. For better or worse, I've learned a lot about bag prototyping, sourcing, and manufacture over the past many months—though, alas, mostly of it has been to observe how annoyingly hard and expensive it is. =\
Post by: chuckdee on Sun, 17 June 2018, 14:21:20
Wetherbee, I like your ideas above in general terms, but I think for this project I'm just making a different bag than the one you have in mind.
It probably makes most sense to think of this project as I've envisioned it as a more of a "keyboard brief," which incidentally has what we can perhaps call a nod to tactical-bag aesthetics rather than a full-on, hard-core, mil-spec bag for carrying on assassination missions. I renamed the thread accordingly to avoid confusion.
Really, the concept grew out of my love for the soft briefcases made by Jack Spade (basically, metrosexual man-bags) but in response to my frustration that their briefcases aren't quite right for carrying around keyboards to meet-ups and working outside of the home (wrong size/proportions, no padding, scratchy interior zipper pulls, often no closable interior pockets for small parts or tools). But I'm also into Goruck bags and the more or less minimalist black-centric style seen in a lot of tactical gear. So this bag is a sort of hybrid of those concerns and aesthetics on my part, and a response to my own singular quirks and desires in a bag. I've added things in response to community requests, such as the MOLLE number pad bag option, but ultimately this is still it's pretty much just the bag I wanted for myself. It sounds like yours would look different and be something different, and that's cool. Maybe that's the one I can I make next. ;) Or, better yet, I'd be happy to help you look into making one of your own and offering it up to the community. For better or worse, I've learned a lot about bag prototyping, sourcing, and manufacture over the past many months—though, alas, mostly of it has been to observe how annoyingly hard and expensive it is. =\
This is about what I thought, considering what you'd been saying so far, and what your sample looked like. And it's great for that! I'm just glad that you included MOLLE at all! It means I can clamp my EDC bag to the bag!
Post by: Wetherbee on Sun, 17 June 2018, 15:10:22
All of my suggestions had to do with reinforcing the materials or using better hardware and more weather-resistent materials to survive daily use. I own a lot of bags. Without adopting some of the upgrades I suggest, I would be afraid to put my keyboard in a bag that can't handle being dropped from a motorcycle, unexpectedly checked by the airline, surviving a sudden thunderstorm, or simply being carried daily for several years. If it can't handle bumps and weather, this just ends up being a bulky "keyboard sleeve" that I would have to slot into an existing bag that does meet IPX-06 or other MILSPEC standards. Otherwise what does this do that a cheaper mass-produced messenger sling doesn't already accomplish?
You have the general outline of a great bag. I think it is better than the Wallye Tactik TKL keyboard bag on Kickstarter (althouh that bag is similar but it only had a $35 price point and was just slightly too short to fit the Norbaforce's forehead). The devil is in the details, though. I'm not criticizing the shape language, I think all the dimensions are perfect, especially since I want to use this to carry a Norbaforce on my bike commute to work and coffee shops every day. I see great potential, but definitely disappointed that the thread title changed. How am I going to do keyboard assassinations now? :(
Lots of community members have keyboards that cost in excess of a thousand dollars. Like you, I'm convinced a softside commuter brief can work and be much more convenient, attractive, and less bulky than hardside solutions like Pelican cases or the ubiquitous keyboard hardside developed by the Koreans. You've already got Cordura, molle, Velcro, rifle bearing connectors and padding so I see it as feature-complete. You just need to test practical survivability. Take it on a 30 day trip to Southeast Asia and see how well it performs in monsoon season. Ultimately you should be able to answer yes to the question "Is this bag deployment ready?"
Post by: rioc on Mon, 18 June 2018, 04:27:20
Post by: smurkcity12 on Mon, 18 June 2018, 10:05:40
I know it's been mentioned a number of times, but I wanted to say that a removable divider to split the compartment for split keyboards would make this from a "nice-to-have" to a "must-have" for me. I'm thinking a velcro divider like some have mentioned, but any way to split the main compartment to make this more split-keyboard friendly would be a big win.
Post by: Darknight00z on Sat, 30 June 2018, 08:58:40
I didn't keep up to speed on this the last few months, will the bag also be able to accommodate a laptop?
Second this.
I really hope a laptop space will be incorporated. Doesn't have to super big, just big enough for a 15" macbook pro, xps 15, blade 14/15"- The workhorses.
Post by: GeneriksGiraffe on Sat, 30 June 2018, 10:58:13
Post by: Kerasan on Thu, 19 July 2018, 17:03:53
KMK Labs.
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 19 July 2018, 17:04:54
any news?
KMK Labs.
I'm going down to visit the factory in San Diego next week. :)
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 19 July 2018, 17:16:21
I didn't keep up to speed on this the last few months, will the bag also be able to accommodate a laptop?
Second this.
I really hope a laptop space will be incorporated. Doesn't have to super big, just big enough for a 15" macbook pro, xps 15, blade 14/15"- The workhorses.
My feeling is that if I made it big enough to accommodate a laptop, it wouldn't really be any different from any of the many laptop briefs already out there. Maybe someday I'll make a combo bag like that with a keyboard pocket in it, but then it would be, well, more of a laptop bag with a keyboard pocket than a keyboard bag per seo. And my goal here was to make a straight-up keyboard carry bag.
Post by: Captain Shwah on Thu, 19 July 2018, 20:12:48
I'm going down to visit the factory in San Diego next week. :)
Ooo, do you think you'd have any time for a mini-meet while you're in town? ;)
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:23:25
I'm going down to visit the factory in San Diego next week. :)
Ooo, do you think you'd have any time for a mini-meet while you're in town? ;)
That would be fun, but sadly I probably won't have time. I'll likely just be there for about 4 hours--to avoid my having to book a hotel for the night. I'm planning on coming to the forthcoming SoCal meetup, however! Hopefully we'll have a chance to chat there?
Post by: Captain Shwah on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:36:36
I'm going down to visit the factory in San Diego next week. :)
Ooo, do you think you'd have any time for a mini-meet while you're in town? ;)
That would be fun, but sadly I probably won't have time. I'll likely just be there for about 4 hours--to avoid my having to book a hotel for the night. I'm planning on coming to the forthcoming SoCal meetup, however! Hopefully we'll have a chance to chat there?
Sure thing, I'm definitely hoping to make it up to that!
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 20 July 2018, 16:45:58
I'm going down to visit the factory in San Diego next week. :)
Ooo, do you think you'd have any time for a mini-meet while you're in town? ;)
That would be fun, but sadly I probably won't have time. I'll likely just be there for about 4 hours--to avoid my having to book a hotel for the night. I'm planning on coming to the forthcoming SoCal meetup, however! Hopefully we'll have a chance to chat there?
Sure thing, I'm definitely hoping to make it up to that!
Awesome. I'm looking forward to that one myself. Any excuse to come to SoCal, I always happily take. :)
Post by: vinzlr on Mon, 30 July 2018, 16:33:19
Post by: hayt on Mon, 20 August 2018, 12:24:20
I'm in for this one now that I am a proud norbaforce owner.
Post by: audax989 on Wed, 22 August 2018, 09:37:29
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 22 August 2018, 09:57:41
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Post by: hayt on Wed, 26 September 2018, 21:38:22
Thanks, guys! These should be available as soon as the zipper pulls are done, which is estimated at about a month from now. They’re making the molds back in New England right now.
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Hey there, will you be posting when these are available on GH?
Thanks!
Post by: norbauer on Wed, 26 September 2018, 22:11:52
Thanks, guys! These should be available as soon as the zipper pulls are done, which is estimated at about a month from now. They’re making the molds back in New England right now.
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Hey there, will you be posting when these are available on GH?
Thanks!
Sure. Best spot to find out a timely way would be my email list (http://norbauer.com/list) though.
(The zipper pulls are arriving to the bag workshop tomorrow btw.)
These will be an in-stock item, btw, (well, until they sell out, I guess, since I didn't get too many made), and not a group buy.
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 29 October 2018, 14:02:46
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 29 October 2018, 14:23:01
Any updates?
Yes, the bags have arrived at the warehouse and are all ready to go. I am waiting on the patches, but those arriving to me today. I need to send those off to the warehouse and then make a proper listing with photos and such, but I'm not far off from all that. These should be up, ready, and available well in time for the holidays. :)
Post by: vinzlr on Mon, 29 October 2018, 15:12:45
Will these be out before the heavy 6 bags? I think I might have to buy one of these too although my wallet hates meAny updates?
Yes, the bags have arrived at the warehouse and are all ready to go. I am waiting on the patches, but those arriving to me today. I need to send those off to the warehouse and then make a proper listing with photos and such, but I'm not far off from all that. These should be up, ready, and available well in time for the holidays. :)
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Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 29 October 2018, 20:47:44
Any updates?
Yes, the bags have arrived at the warehouse and are all ready to go. I am waiting on the patches, but those arriving to me today. I need to send those off to the warehouse and then make a proper listing with photos and such, but I'm not far off from all that. These should be up, ready, and available well in time for the holidays. :)
Fantastic, thanks for the update! Can't wait.
Post by: norbauer on Mon, 29 October 2018, 21:03:02
Will these be out before the heavy 6 bags? I think I might have to buy one of these too although my wallet hates meAny updates?
Yes, the bags have arrived at the warehouse and are all ready to go. I am waiting on the patches, but those arriving to me today. I need to send those off to the warehouse and then make a proper listing with photos and such, but I'm not far off from all that. These should be up, ready, and available well in time for the holidays. :)
Hehe, well I appreciate the support. :) They will indeed be out before the Heavy-6 bags (confusingly, I know). The Heavy-6 bags are being made right now and should be ready about the same time as the housings themselves.
Post by: bentley on Wed, 07 November 2018, 19:40:51
I want to buy a carry bag, pls let me know how to do it.
Thanks.
My email is 3614497@qq.com
Post by: romevi on Fri, 09 November 2018, 14:24:19
Hello, Good day.
I want to buy a carry bag, pls let me know how to do it.
Thanks.
My email is 3614497@qq.com
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Post by: Darknight00z on Fri, 09 November 2018, 15:20:54
Hello, Good day.
I want to buy a carry bag, pls let me know how to do it.
Thanks.
My email is 3614497@qq.com
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lol
Post by: norbauer on Fri, 05 April 2019, 21:37:31
my Keybrief TKL is finished and currently available (https://norbauer.com/keybrief)
I'm quite happy with the result and in fact have been using several of the production units myself to carry keyboards to and from meetups over the past few months.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-9_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-6_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
Post by: Captain Shwah on Fri, 05 April 2019, 23:16:49
Post by: norbauer on Sat, 06 April 2019, 11:21:37
Awesome! The heavy-6 bag is outrageously high quality so this was surely an instant buy.
Thanks for saying that! :D My bag manufacturing partner here in California does amazing work--definitely a case of getting what we pay for.
The only thing I was only medium-happy with on the Heavy-6 bag were the patches, which are made by another workshop. Some of the logos weren't entirely consistent/uniform, so for the TKL brief I switched to another vendor, and these looks flawless. I'm really happy with the result.
Post by: Puddsy on Sat, 06 April 2019, 15:09:33
Thanks everyone for your patience and support as I've figured stuff out on this project. I'm happy to report that, thanks to feedback in this thread:
my Keybrief TKL is finished and currently available (https://norbauer.com/keybrief)
I'm quite happy with the result and in fact have been using several of the production units myself to carry keyboards to and from meetups over the past few months.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-9_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-6_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
now i gotta find $200, dammit norb
Post by: norbauer on Sat, 06 April 2019, 15:48:07
Thanks everyone for your patience and support as I've figured stuff out on this project. I'm happy to report that, thanks to feedback in this thread:
my Keybrief TKL is finished and currently available (https://norbauer.com/keybrief)
I'm quite happy with the result and in fact have been using several of the production units myself to carry keyboards to and from meetups over the past few months.Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-9_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-2_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)Show Image(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1571/5135/products/tkl-brief-6_1024x1024.jpg?v=1554508043)
now i gotta find $200, dammit norb
:p <3
Post by: ossetepo on Sun, 14 April 2019, 19:45:06
Post by: norbauer on Sun, 14 April 2019, 21:10:28
I just received my bag and patches today, and I am super happy with them. Construction and design are of extraordinarily high quality. This bag will make my keyboard rotation at work much more pleasant.
Thanks so much for the excellent feedback and for supporting the project. I really appreciate it and am very glad you're happy with the bag. :)