Hey i get that you made the sublegends based on the Vintage Board, but why greek sublegends on all caps?
I see my insistence on the past IC had some long-lasting fruits. I hopethis time around things do work out and the GB is a success!
Couple quick comments:
- Add an R3 \| key, because GMK 9009 doesn't have it and that omission would force the BRITISH layout on a GREEK keyboard. Think of the cypriots! (disclaimer: I am not a cypriot.)
- Consider offering (and make a poll for it) for GREEK ONLY legends, instead of the dual stuff. To some, it looks weird to have one legend in some keys and two in others.
- No R0 in this kit, because Greeks did not invent the number zero. There, I've said it.
- Can I have, as a bonus, an L4/V4 R3 \| key? Please? Pretty please? ;D ;D ;D
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UPiMLJ5.jpg)
The English alphas in this render look neither like the Cherry font nor Helvetica Rounded Bold (which the Cherry font is based on). You might want to fix that.
Speaking of fonts, you might want to take this opportunity to produce molds with the correct sublegends for Σ, Ψ and Θ — the current ones are all slightly off (Θ being the worst offender).
Please consider to run it in OG White on Black (L9, CR) as well. And do not mess it up with more key caps, or else, it may end being another huge and expensive add-on set that pretty few want to pay for. It may be nice in Greek only legends, but it may not appeal all people interested. That said, just take my money and run it.
…I see my insistence on the past IC had some long-lasting fruits. I hopethis time around things do work out and the GB is a success!
Couple quick comments:
- Add an R3 \| key, because GMK 9009 doesn't have it and that omission would force the BRITISH layout on a GREEK keyboard. Think of the cypriots! (disclaimer: I am not a cypriot.)
- Consider offering (and make a poll for it) for GREEK ONLY legends, instead of the dual stuff. To some, it looks weird to have one legend in some keys and two in others.
- No R0 in this kit, because Greeks did not invent the number zero. There, I've said it.
- Can I have, as a bonus, an L4/V4 R3 \| key? Please? Pretty please? ;D ;D ;D
Thanks for your support! I hope things work out as well.
As per your comments:
- If I am not mistaken, the implied layout for which the add-on kit would be used is actually ANSI, not British. I have seen many ISO/International add-on kit designs before, and I have yet to see an R3 \ | key. Could you please point out where this is used?
- While I understand the 1-legend vs. 2-legend argument, I will consider this for a future project. For now, I would like the sublegend-version to be a successful proof-of-concept through a group-buy of this kit. One step at a time.
- No R5?!!!!!!! Dealbreaker, I'm out! :P
- Ha-ha, personal requests would be a logistical nightmare! I know V4 is blue, but I actually don't know what color L4 is (and I have a GMK color ring in front of me). I hope you find what you need out there =)
As per your comments:
- If I am not mistaken, the implied layout for which the add-on kit would be used is actually ANSI, not British. I have seen many ISO/International add-on kit designs before, and I have yet to see an R3 \ | key. Could you please point out where this is used?
Apologies; I went for the quick half-serious, half-joking comment, even though I should have taken the time to make a proper serious comment. So here I go now:
GMK 9009 R3, running its GB now, has the standard kit, with support for the US English national layout over an ANSI physical layout, and the addition kit, which (among other things) contains the mods needed for the ISO physical layout and the alphas for the UK English national layout (over the ISO physical layout). Critically, it does NOT contain the R3 \| alpha key that is required to support the US English national layout over an ISO or an ANSISO physical layout.
That's mildly passable for GMK 9009 in and of itself, but... let's look at the actual Greek keyboard layout:
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(note that I've purposefully deleted the 17 AltGr layer key assignments)
You'll note that discounting the Greek alphas, this looks very much like an US English over ISO keyboard, with only a few exceptions (again, discounting the AltGr layer):
- ;: is replaced by the tonos dead key (already in your set).
- Q is replaced by ;: (which is what I assume is the key referred to in "An extra punctuation mark key has been added upon suggestion.")
- The R2 1.5U \| placed over the ANSI Enter is moved to an R3 1.0U \| key as the ISO Enter key takes the R2 area.
- The R4 extra key between LSHIFT and Z is <>, as is done in US English keyboards following the terminal tradition (and a LOT of European national layouts, like Spanish, German, Italian, etcetera... but not UK English, which places \| there).
So, a "good" and "proper" addition kit for the English/Greek keyboard layout should allow the user to go either ISO or ANSI (or ANSISO) and provide for that by adding the R3 \| key (absolutely required) and the R4 <> key (required for full ISO, not required for ANSI and ANSISO).
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In general, however, this add-on kit is meant to "be extra spice" to beige alphas, rather than a compatibility kit. As for compatibility, I have felt that ISO users may already own doubleshots with the keys they need (namely the R3 \ and R4 >). These will be considered and I will make a decision later; thanks for your input.
If I may say so myself the concept of Greek sub-legends is pretty proofed already, you have chosen a Champion mini-set to run that any serious Beige lover should get. :))Please consider to run it in OG White on Black (L9, CR) as well. And do not mess it up with more key caps, or else, it may end being another huge and expensive add-on set that pretty few want to pay for. It may be nice in Greek only legends, but it may not appeal all people interested. That said, just take my money and run it.
Yes, the idea is to run this kit in a size that is as minimal and practical as possible.
White on Black can be considered for a future run. So can Greek-only; however, I would like to run this first, by itself, as a proof-of-concept to ensure that any future runs will incorporate any feedback seen from this run, if successful.
R3 \| is the one that's actually the most sorely needed, as it's usually omitted (and unduly replaced by #~ in "Atlantis ISO" kits). If it comes to adding "just one", I think that should be the top priority (R2 ;: and R4 <> will have to fight out the second spot).
If I may say so myself the concept of Greek sub-legends is pretty proofed already, you have chosen a Champion mini-set to run that any serious Beige lover should get. :))
GMK Frat House
GMK Frat HouseLoving the kit's name...Wait, isn't official yet? Is a Geek-Frat novelty escape key coming?
Looks great man. I’d definitely get it if I typed in Greek.
Any consideration for monoalpha?
NVM I read the post now that I'm not walk to work
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UPiMLJ5.jpg)
The English alphas in this render look neither like the Cherry font nor Helvetica Rounded Bold (which the Cherry font is based on). They're too thin. You might want to fix that.
Speaking of fonts, you might want to take this opportunity to produce molds with the correct sublegends for Σ, Ψ and Θ — the current ones are all slightly off (Θ being the worst offender).
On another note, don't forget to add barred versions of F/Φ and J/Ξ :)
Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UPiMLJ5.jpg)
The English alphas in this render look neither like the Cherry font nor Helvetica Rounded Bold (which the Cherry font is based on). They're too thin. You might want to fix that.
Speaking of fonts, you might want to take this opportunity to produce molds with the correct sublegends for Σ, Ψ and Θ — the current ones are all slightly off (Θ being the worst offender).
On another note, don't forget to add barred versions of F/Φ and J/Ξ :)
it's a render, don't worry, they'll be the normal Cherry/GMK font in the end
This is neat, looking to pick one up depending on pricing. Will get me to at least remember the Grk alphabet.
Yes, please.
In for one. Current kit design is good :thumb:
Great idea! Definitely in.
Hey i get that you made the sublegends based on the Vintage Board, but why greek sublegends on all caps?
I'm a bit confused with your question, if you could kindly rephrase it. The sublegends correspond to Greek letters that are required for representation of the Greek alphabet on the keyboard. A lot of capital letters in Greek are identical to their Latin capital letter counterparts.
Hey i get that you made the sublegends based on the Vintage Board, but why greek sublegends on all caps?
I'm a bit confused with your question, if you could kindly rephrase it. The sublegends correspond to Greek letters that are required for representation of the Greek alphabet on the keyboard. A lot of capital letters in Greek are identical to their Latin capital letter counterparts.
Guess i just assumed the lowercase alphabet which would be many more sublegends, but since you use upper case its just these. My bad confused that.
Also prolly getting one :)
Would love to see the rest of the alphas present so we can mix and match with other sets that have either black, white, or beige modifiers. For instance, I could pair this with GMK Nines. Sure the legends wouldn't match exactly, but I think in this case it would be so close that it wouldn't matter. Same could be said of WoB or BoW or really any other neutral set.
inspired by keycaps that were originally made by Cherry Corp for the G81-3090SAQ keyboard (https://i.imgur.com/ZRMd8dx.jpg).Hey, don't forget the HAQ! (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=8463) It's an even closer brother.
- To depletedvespene (DT) who insisted for the proper ς instead of the mistaken cedilla character on the W key.This is cool to see. The original keyboards are supposedly Cypriot layout rather than Greek, hence the turkish Ç (according to chzel (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?p=174918#p174918)).
inspired by keycaps that were originally made by Cherry Corp for the G81-3090SAQ keyboard (https://i.imgur.com/ZRMd8dx.jpg).Hey, don't forget the HAQ! (https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?t=8463) It's an even closer brother.
The add-on looks great, good luck with the inevitable GB.
Would love to see the rest of the alphas present so we can mix and match with other sets that have either black, white, or beige modifiers. For instance, I could pair this with GMK Nines. Sure the legends wouldn't match exactly, but I think in this case it would be so close that it wouldn't matter. Same could be said of WoB or BoW or really any other neutral set.
I thought about this -- however, beige sets are rather ubiquitous, and the rest of the alphas would not have the same style as the ones included in this kit -- namely, a Latin character legend in the upper left (well, technically all Greek precedes Latin... but you know what I mean), and a Greek character legend in the lower right. The intention for this kit would be to bring only the newly molded keys to life in a classic colorway. This helps minimize both the cost as well as not make further duplicates of largely existing keys.
Aren't you aware that most OG Cherry beige sets match these keys in color and font of the legends?
Many OG Cherry are double shots. A few are dyed but these are expensive.Aren't you aware that most OG Cherry beige sets match these keys in color and font of the legends?
I'm not. I have a very limited knowledge of vintage boards and caps. How hard would it to be find OG Cherry beige and are they double-shot or dye-sub?
Many OG Cherry are double shots. A few are dyed but these are expensive.Aren't you aware that most OG Cherry beige sets match these keys in color and font of the legends?
I'm not. I have a very limited knowledge of vintage boards and caps. How hard would it to be find OG Cherry beige and are they double-shot or dye-sub?
Many OG Cherry are double shots. A few are dyed but these are expensive.Aren't you aware that most OG Cherry beige sets match these keys in color and font of the legends?
I'm not. I have a very limited knowledge of vintage boards and caps. How hard would it to be find OG Cherry beige and are they double-shot or dye-sub?
Thanks. I'm still wondering how easy it would be find OG Cherry Beige alphas though.
Many OG Cherry are double shots. A few are dyed but these are expensive.
Thanks. I'm still wondering how easy it would be find OG Cherry Beige alphas though.
To answer your question, OG Cherry doubleshots (normally in full-size 101-key or 1800-style layouts) are regularly sold on Ebay (https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?_odkw=desji&LH_PrefLoc=2&_ssn=hanzi_cz&_armrs=1&LH_Complete=1&LH_Sold=1&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2046732.m570.l1313.TR12.TRC2.A0.H0.Xdes.TRS0&_nkw=desko&_sacat=0), and mm (https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/crum0d/usva_h_vintage_double_shot_keycaps_w_paypal/). And on websites such as ElecShopper (run by elecplus) (https://elecshopper.com/search?keyword=cherry). There's a lot of Cherry G80 or G81 models with beige doubleshots.
These are super cool
more beige yes
awesome idea, i'm in :thumb:
Is the date for this buy defined?
Is the date for this buy defined?
Not precisely, but you can most certainly expect this kit to open for group-buy in a couple of weeks.
Proxies, pricing, and updated renders will be posted shortly (within a few days).
I quit. But I'm pretty sure I'm still in.To think that I'd be able to have the support off someone who (1) quit (2) whom I respect. Thanks!
I'm in for this. Diego, do Hebrew alphas next :DThanks, man =) Arabic and Hebrew are in my sights. They'll take a lot more planning.
InThank you for your kind support.