Very nice.I have one on my board and it doesn't even light up.
Wish I had a board to use the led-window keycaps with. Looks so good in the renders.
Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.
Hell yeah. Any chance for 3u bars?Ask away in the IC form.
This set is so hot... I wantNo. Classic Retro, to me, isn't just about using L9 and U9, it's the whole "what if Cherry made these sublegends available back then". (You can read more on that in the reply to whirlwind)
I know this is a classic set, but I would love to see some trad. chinese mods too - maybe as an alt mod kit?
man 2021 is the year of beige I keep sayin it.About damn time.
Im in
Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.This set is so hot... I wantNo. Classic Retro, to me, isn't just about using L9 and U9, it's the whole "what if Cherry made these sublegends available back then". (You can read more on that in the reply to whirlwind)
I know this is a classic set, but I would love to see some trad. chinese mods too - maybe as an alt mod kit?
Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.
Beige + Zhuyin is befittingly must buyin'!Possibly. Please let me know in the IC form so I can keep track of the number of people asking.
Any chance having R2, R3 2x 1u mod color Cherry novelties for macro keys?
I’m in.Can't call it classic or classic retro if it's icon only (but that's just me). Also, I'm not too fond of offering too make kits.
But pls consider icon-only mods, or an icon-only mods kit.
And an accent kit for ESC, enter, space, arrow keys.
Thanks.
+1 to alpha only kit. I think by the time the gb starts most of the people who like the classic sets will own the mod colors already.But then there are people that don't have the mods already. Also, having just the beige alphas as a standalone is an idea but I'm not too keen on it. I'm trying to keep the number of kits relatively low.
I've gone through the IC form and here are some suggestions with my answers.
But first, some things moving forward.
R5 is here to stay.
Side printed Sys Rq and Break will be added.
Make the standard bottom row R4 like OG cherry (OG Cherry didn't have R5 1.25U) - no, R5 for everyone!
Removing R5 - no, R5 is here to stay, I like R5 and I run things I like.
R0 support - I dont like R0 so no R0.
40s related keys - Sorry, if you're in 40s discord, you know my reasons
3U bars - This I can get behind and will consider
Zhuyin mods - no.
Icon only mods - no.
R4 kit - no.
Zhuyin monolegends - sorry, not considering that at this moment.
A combination of moving around the cherry kit where windowed keys end up in base kit and more cherry keys get added - Okay, this I've thought about and think it's possible. But I'm not sure if people will be onboard with the idea.
Here is my idea: a **** ton of cherry keys as a stand alone kit (4x row 1, 2x row 2,3,4,5) then add cherry enter novelty and windowed keys to base kit.
Pro: cherry keys for everyone!
Con: Base kit prices increase, people tend to not use windowed keys.
I'm inclined to keep it as it is, but your responses on the IC form will determine that.
the "Unnamed Keyboard - Marco" piques my interest o.OGlad you like it! This seems like a good opportunity to shamelessly plug my discord (the link under my profile picture). It's still in an early stage though :D
My only issue with the set is the UK-ISO support. As it stands at the moment, you would end up with 2 and 3 without sublegends when using UK-ISO, making the Zhuyin part incomplete.So I will admit, I made an error by not creating the molds for these the first time around.
Should the UK 2 and 3 also get the corresponding ㄉ and ˇ sublegends?
Either that or drop UK in favour of Terminal ISO.
Is it possible to have a mod only set for R1 buyers?Sadly no. Also R1 colors would not match this since different color codes.
I'm in for this one, I've been looking for a nice zhuyin keycap set for a while - hope there'll be a Canada vendor!Of course. There will be more progress on this once I finish up some other projects (primarily GMK Shinethrough)
I'm excited for 3u spacebars to become a thing.As far as I know, that's not a common split space set up, but with the introduction of the Type K. I suspect it'll normalize and popularize the 3u spacebar movement, thus me wanting to include them pre-emptively. By the time you get your GMK set an entire year after GB, there might be a handful of boards that have it.
Even for split spacebar bottom row, the symmetry of a 3u 1u 3u section that replaces the 7u spacebar will look great.
I'm excited for 3u spacebars to become a thing.As far as I know, that's not a common split space set up, but with the introduction of the Type K. I suspect it'll normalize and popularize the 3u spacebar movement, thus me wanting to include them pre-emptively. By the time you get your GMK set an entire year after GB, there might be a handful of boards that have it.
Even for split spacebar bottom row, the symmetry of a 3u 1u 3u section that replaces the 7u spacebar will look great.
Here is my idea: a **** ton of cherry keys as a stand alone kit (4x row 1, 2x row 2,3,4,5) then add cherry enter novelty and windowed keys to base kit.
Pro: cherry keys for everyone!
Con: Base kit prices increase, people tend to not use windowed keys.
i'm 100% in on the set, but i think having chiang kai-shek memorial hall for a deskmat is a little too on the nose (although the photo is beautiful).
perhaps some illustrations of things taiwan is known for could work? street food, night markets, artisan crafting, etc. otherwise, using imagery from the historic buildings on dihua street might be nice if you wanted to go for that retro/beige look.
I'm quite fond of using a photo I took in Taiwan, strictly because anyone can just google what Taiwan looks like and whip up an illustration. A photo captures what I got to experience when I was there.
We'll see, I got like 1000 Taiwan photos I haven't filtered through.
i'm 100% in on the set, but i think having chiang kai-shek memorial hall for a deskmat is a little too on the nose (although the photo is beautiful).
perhaps some illustrations of things taiwan is known for could work? street food, night markets, artisan crafting, etc. otherwise, using imagery from the historic buildings on dihua street might be nice if you wanted to go for that retro/beige look.
I'm quite fond of using a photo I took in Taiwan, strictly because anyone can just google what Taiwan looks like and whip up an illustration. A photo captures what I got to experience when I was there.
We'll see, I got like 1000 Taiwan photos I haven't filtered through.
Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy
Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.
Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.
Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).
Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.
Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often
Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now
Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy
Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.
Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.
Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).
Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.
Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often
Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now
Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often
Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)I personally don't use ISO, but I think it's important that this layout is fully supported. I would keep them.
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy
Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keysSame as above.
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.
Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)I am absolutely against this. I personally like that retro sets come out with R5. Plus, GMK KA1953 compatibility wasn't the best.
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.
Addition of the 3 keys for 40s supportI don't have an opinion on this since I am not in 40% boards. Maybe create a small separate kit?
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).
Removal of 6U off centered spacebarSame as above. I've never used it personally.
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.
Removal of the stepped ControlI personally use it on HHKB layout and prefer it over the standard R3 control. I would keep it.
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often
Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)I would have proposed it before reading your updates. Huge plus.
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now
Since this project's launch date is close(r) than before. I've decided to revisit the kitting.
Things I will be weighing (please speak up if you hold an opinion):
Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy
Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.
Thanks everyone so far for your opinions, I'll create a proper form when I have the motivation to do so (maybe this long weekend?).
I'll also clarify the "bottom row like KA1953" comment, since I meant offering R4 and R5 support similar to that.
IC updated with final kittingGreat changes. Count me in.
Removed UK ISO, yes I love supporting all layouts but since the UK-ISO variant of Zhuyin doesn't exist and since I wanted to offer this set as a "what if", it wouldn't make sense.
Removed stepped control, strong support for this one, I'm guessing because HHKB uses full control
Addition of the 3 40s keys, self explanatory. Y'all better buy a set or two.
Removal of 6U off centered, since no one could really offer me something concrete, I've yeeted it.
One thing that may change is the Cherry enter key. I will see if they're willing to do the red/green variant, but it's up to Cherry for that one. If they can offer it, I'd like to offer both options.
Also, updated renders (Thrill got a facelift since I first posted the IC)
IC updated with final kittingGreat changes. Count me in.
Removed UK ISO, yes I love supporting all layouts but since the UK-ISO variant of Zhuyin doesn't exist and since I wanted to offer this set as a "what if", it wouldn't make sense.
Removed stepped control, strong support for this one, I'm guessing because HHKB uses full control
Addition of the 3 40s keys, self explanatory. Y'all better buy a set or two.
Removal of 6U off centered, since no one could really offer me something concrete, I've yeeted it.
One thing that may change is the Cherry enter key. I will see if they're willing to do the red/green variant, but it's up to Cherry for that one. If they can offer it, I'd like to offer both options.
Also, updated renders (Thrill got a facelift since I first posted the IC)
Just need to fix one of the kit image links and you're good, cap'n.
Please change R4 |\ key to >< for terminal ISO. It makes legend compatibility better for most ISO layouts
Please change R4 |\ key to >< for terminal ISO. It makes legend compatibility better for most ISO layoutsThis can be done
Any chance of an alpha only kit?
Really appreciate the way you elicit feedback and make changes to ICs. Well done! I'm all in.I really do take the time to read everyone's feedback (unless I miss it, which does happen).
Any hope of extending the GB date one day to the 28th?
Updated renders, more or less final kitting.
Getting GB date then onto pricing and what not.
Not really tempted to run deskmats or anything.
My only idea is to turn this photo I took in Taiwan into a deskmat.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qdrIakW.jpg)
Beautiful set! is Classic Retro Cyrillic still happening?GMK Classic Retro Zhuyin
GMK Cherry Profile
GB Date: August 6, 2021 - August 27, 2021Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/NIsdHaM.jpg)
THRILL by Hoodrow Thrillson
Why
I've fallen in love with the OG vibes and I can't get up.
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Colors
Alphas: L9 Base, CR Legend
Mods: U9 Base, CR Legend
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Vendors? Pricing?
NA: Novelkeys
CA: Apex Keyboards
EU: My Keyboard
UK: Prototypist
Asia: zFrontier
SEA: Monokei
OCE: Daily ClackShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/pe3zKiF.png)
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Kits?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/emFw8qz.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/oiXFAxw.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/UrVhB0I.jpg)
Note: Windowed keys will be pad printed. "CHERRY" will be doubleshot, cherries will be pad printed. Black cherries (non windowed, 1Us) will be doubleshot.
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Collabs?
Maybe, not sure.
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Renders
THRILL - Hoodrow ThrillsonShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/NIsdHaM.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/J8PD7U1.jpg)
Polo - MarcoShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/LDRop6Y.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FLqngEc.jpg)
378 - Noxary WorksShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/OWCs9k3.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/QpMyfQJ.jpg)
No deskmat is being made for this (I did learn about the history of the Memorial Hall, my friend let me know).Updated renders, more or less final kitting.
Getting GB date then onto pricing and what not.
Not really tempted to run deskmats or anything.
My only idea is to turn this photo I took in Taiwan into a deskmat.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/qdrIakW.jpg)
As a Taiwanese, I didn't see any issue with the kits. You did a great job and I’m definitely in.
However, I don’t think making a deskmat for Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall is a good idea. Please take some time to learn more about the history of Taiwan and you’ll know why it’s controversial.
Beautiful set! is Classic Retro Cyrillic still happening?Maybe, maybe not. Not to be rude but, do you want a base kit with no barred or scooped F and J? Because if I choose to drop everything and run it, it won't have barred or scooped F and J (I use barred F and J.....)