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Offline EverythingIBM

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« on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 20:41:58 »
Alright, here's an aspergers test I found:
http://www.piepalace.ca/blog/asperger-test-aq-test/

It'd be funny to see what people here get; my score was 23 on that.
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« Reply #1 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 20:57:30 »
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24     Average math contest winner

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« Reply #2 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:01:08 »
Scored 25 here. I've sometimes felt I have slightly autistic tendencies. But it could just be that the world is full of jerks and I have no inclination to get on with them. I think the latter is the more significant explanation.

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« Reply #3 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:09:31 »
36/50, fortunately near the very low end of the extreme spectrum.

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« Reply #4 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:22:29 »
I scored a 28...so very average.
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« Reply #5 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:27:26 »
Quote from: kishy;192558
Yet I my TI-83+ and/or FK-5001 being within reach to be a necessity...


That's not actually contradictory. A calculator is for arithmetic, not math. Not everyone is a human calculator.

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« Reply #6 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:27:30 »
I wrote this earlier this year:

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Autism in All of Us?
2010.03.23 (Tuesday) – 11:43 am

Autism might be a magnification of tendencies we all share. We’re labeled autistic when we do not limit certain behaviors that all people have. We’re mainstreamed when we learn to limit the behaviors.

Obsession is just one of the autistic behaviors I’ve seen, for example in Gabriel’s passion about trains. He can identify Caltrain vs Amtrack Capital Corridor vs Amtrack regular by the horn it blows. He can tell me whether the Shrek train is in the Bachman or MHT train catalog, and probably what page it’s on. My guess is that it’s only a short time until he memorizes the light rail schedule. He sponges up everything he’s exposed to regarding trains.

I can obsess about a piece of technology, researching and planning all night, buying multiple flavors of it even while unemployed or otherwise fiscally irresponsible (don’t tell my wife), take it apart and re-assemble to the exclusion of all other activities (…were it not for the demands of my family). Once I’ve learned ridiculously more about less and less, I can set it aside. Then I can offer encyclopedic advice to my friends.

I think that our ability to be temperate, to balance our obsessive and non-obsessive behaviors takes us off the autism spectrum. This ability to gate or throttle is not trained or present in autistic people: obsession, sights, sounds, touches, passions, are all 100% all the time for them.
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« Reply #7 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:28:38 »
Quote from: Rajagra;192559
Scored 25 here. I've sometimes felt I have slightly autistic tendencies. But it could just be that the world is full of jerks and I have no inclination to get on with them. I think the latter is the more significant explanation.


Well, my friend scored 30 lol (but I know he's not autistic). Everyone just has a little weirdness to them. Some people I socialize with fine, others are just horrible to talk to. Some people just have "bad" personalities.
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« Reply #8 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:39:00 »
17 - Average female scientist

I'm a male electrical engineer but nice try?

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« Reply #9 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:41:10 »
Quote from: ripster;192568
Simple.  

Are you in IT?

No - rest easy

Yes - be worried, very worried


source:  Wired


I'm not a programmer nor do I have any affiliation to IBM, if that makes sense.
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« Reply #10 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 21:46:42 »
27/50  Yes, my main job is in IT.

Ricercar, that's a great snippet that offers some decent perspective.
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« Reply #11 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 22:10:54 »
I scored 16...  Not sure what that means by that scale, even if only "for entertainment".
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« Reply #12 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 22:15:16 »
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« Reply #13 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 22:16:41 »
Quote from: ripster;192574
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type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">[/youtube]

Medication and Marriage.

Medication and Marriage.


I have the DVDs on the bill gates antitrust thing. You can also download them here:
http://www.groklaw.net/staticpages/index.php?page=GatesDepo

The DVDs I got are different from the downloadable ones there.
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« Reply #14 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 22:23:19 »
You scored 36. The ranking below provides some idea of where that AQ fits in.

 Score  
 32 - 50 Scores over 32 are generally taken to indicate Asperger's Syndrome or high-functioning autism, with more than 34 an "extreme" score.
   31  
   30  
   29  
   28  
   27  
   26  
   25  
   24 Average math contest winner
   23  
   22  
   21 Average male or female computer scientist
   20  
   19 Average male scientist, and average male or female physicist
   18 Average man
   17 Average female scientist
   16  
   15 Average woman, and average male or female biologist
   14  
   13  
 0 - 12
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« Reply #15 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 22:24:55 »
Wow, that Bill Gates video is real, I thought it was a comedy sketch at first.

Looks like the U.S. is a bad place to be 'different'. The government can film you being interrogated and release the footage to the media to expose you to ridicule. Pretty sick concept of a justice system if you ask me.

And at the same time genuinely guilty people are allowed to walk free if 100% conclusive evidence was obtained in the wrong way. Punish the police for not following the rules by letting the guilty walk free. Oh wait, that isn't punishing the police, it's punishing the public by keeping criminals on the streets.

It's a pretty messed up world to be honest. I think people with Aspergers may in fact be more normal than the rest of us.

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« Reply #16 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:00:03 »
Quote from: Oqsy;192586
I scored 16...  Not sure what that means by that scale, even if only "for entertainment".


Means you're less autistic than most other people taking the test on Geekhack. The scale is probably arbitrary.

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« Reply #17 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:04:36 »
27... Not that I put much faith in the accuracy of short online tests.

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« Reply #18 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:09:01 »
Quote from: ripster;192606
Notice the typo.



Needs specificity.
Show Image


or...
Show Image


Proves the author of this survey was not a detail person.


I'm thinking mm/dd/yy kinda dates.

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« Reply #19 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:14:03 »
Quote from: gr1m;192608
I'm thinking mm/dd/yy kinda dates.
I have a feeling Rip knows that and is just making fun of the test.

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« Reply #20 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:41:02 »
Another 36 here.  And yes, of course I work in IT.

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« Reply #21 on: Sat, 12 June 2010, 23:51:57 »
> 0-12
Only later did I realise the exact score is given above the chart, and by then I already refreshed the page.

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« Reply #22 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:03:44 »
Quote from: EverythingIBM;192557
It'd be funny to see what people here get; my score was 23 on that.

I seriously expected you to score a lot higher. I don't mean that in a cruel way. I meant that it would help explain something about your obsessions.

I only got so far as 20... not terribly geeky I'm afraid. I've got some work to do or I'll have to go find that "nerdhack" site with Kishy after all.
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« Reply #23 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:08:21 »
33... Is that a good or a bad thing?

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« Reply #24 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:23:10 »
23 fwiw.
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« Reply #25 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:26:03 »
If a relatively short test can be trusted for any accuracy at all, it just means you have "autistic tendencies," which is a far cry from saying you may have autism. If you have general anxiety and depression, you could easily rack up some quick points, yet not really have any behaviors attributable to likely autism.
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« Reply #26 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 00:33:26 »
Quote from: hyperlinked;192644
If a relatively short test can be trusted for any accuracy at all, it just means you have "autistic tendencies," which is a far cry from saying you may have autism. If you have general anxiety and depression, you could easily rack up some quick points, yet not really have any behaviors attributable to likely autism.


I've only ever taken one accurate online quiz/test. The question was "How adventurous are you?". I picked the "I like to take risks" option. My result on the test was: You are an adventurous person who likes to take risks.

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« Reply #27 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 01:21:17 »
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I've only ever taken one accurate online quiz/test. The question was "How adventurous are you?". I picked the "I like to take risks" option. My result on the test was: You are an adventurous person who likes to take risks.


Any of you who've taken the full MMPT (Minnesota Multiphasic Personality Test) will probably remember how long it took to get through it. Some personality tests literally can take hours to complete and they consist of nothing more than the same type of questions that are in this "Asperger's Test."

There's a reason for the excessive length. One of the effects is that it makes it harder for you to skew the test by answering the way you'd like to be rather than the way you actually are. You can always totally lie and skew it of course, but the stuff that's a judgement call that you bias toward your ideal can really skew a short test noticeably.
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« Reply #28 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 02:27:22 »
46

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« Reply #29 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 02:46:19 »
Woo, scored a 12, what do I win!!

None of the questions mentioned anything about remembering situations. I was sure something along those lines would've boosted my score by a lot.

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« Reply #30 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 03:21:20 »
I know someone who did that test and got 21/50...



...who has actually actually been diagnosed with Asperger's Syndrome.

So when I also got 21, I wasn't sure what that meant in the scheme of things =P

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There's a reason for the excessive length. One of the effects is that it makes it harder for you to skew the test by answering the way you'd like to be rather than the way you actually are. You can always totally lie and skew it of course, but the stuff that's a judgement call that you bias toward your ideal can really skew a short test noticeably.

Often in such tests, questions are repeated to try and ensure some degree of consistency.
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« Reply #31 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 04:34:19 »
I'm impressed, I only got a 21. I thought I was more of an arse than that. Oh well, good to know.
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« Reply #32 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 06:09:06 »
For some reason I felt like taking this test but I really wish I hadn't, especially before going to bed.

I found myself upset and visibly shaken after taking that test. I scored a good bit over 30 and found taking it very frustrating. I am even more upset that this upset me so much as I don't know why. Maybe I am too afraid to think about why, I don't know.


I became even more shaken up when I read this particular quote from ricercar. I am not upset at ricercar, just with how I felt while reading it.
Quote from: ricercar;192565
I wrote this earlier this year:...


The Bill Gates video a few posts back made me very sad and uneasy, he seemed really uncomfortable.
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« Reply #33 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 06:38:35 »
Quote from: ripster;192574
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type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385">[/youtube]

Medication and Marriage.

Medication and Marriage.


I apparently rock back in forth in chairs when I'm nervous. Not to that extent though.

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« Reply #34 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 06:57:25 »
Quote from: ripster;192606
Notice the typo.

Needs specificity.

Proves the author of this survey was not a detail person.


Scored 50, huh?

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« Reply #35 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 07:39:12 »
33. Not surprised.

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« Reply #36 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 07:42:11 »
The key takeaway I got from what Ricercar posted was that everyone has behaviors and tenancies that are "in the autism spectrum" but most are able to keep them in check and that's what makes the difference.  It's not that anyone should worry or feel uneasy about being in that spectrum, but more about how everyone has these things.  Most intelligent people "have something wrong with them" and nearly all significant people in history did as well.  

Also, a test on the internet doesn't mean much.  Only when administered by a professional does it have true merit.  Really.
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« Reply #37 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 08:07:03 »
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« Reply #38 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 09:11:19 »
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36/50, fortunately near the very low end of the extreme spectrum.


I got 36 and I'm in sales.  ;)

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« Reply #39 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 09:31:09 »
It seems to be fair to conjecture that the test will output a high result if one is merely uncaring towards other people and their actions. This is simply one circumstance in which it would seem to fail to meet the criterion upon which it is based.

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« Reply #40 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 11:08:45 »
I think I cheated.....

0-12



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It seems to be fair to conjecture that the test will output a high result if one is merely uncaring towards other people and their actions. This is simply one circumstance in which it would seem to fail to meet the criterion upon which it is based.


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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 12:16:34 »
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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 14:48:36 »
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« Reply #43 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 16:51:14 »
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« Reply #44 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 17:26:23 »
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« Reply #45 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 17:52:07 »
36, should i be worried? naah f*ck that

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« Reply #46 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 17:59:19 »
Got 31 and i didnt even know what aspergers syndrome ist, well im at 57% at the original geek test wich makes me an: "Extreme Geek".
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« Reply #47 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 18:12:40 »
Quote from: nads93uk;192794
36, should i be worried? naah f*ck that


It doubles as a test for Tourette's! :rofl:

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« Reply #48 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 19:00:49 »
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this of course is not funny if you do have aspergers.  But then nothing is so why should i worry about it?



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« Reply #49 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 19:07:17 »
20

I have the assburgers... man that just killed me : )
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« Reply #50 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 19:26:34 »
Quote from: iMav;192714
I got 36 and I'm in sales.  ;)

You may be in sales, but you do own and admin a geek site so that has to count as IT in some way.  ;)
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« Reply #51 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 19:37:48 »
sorry man, but until this thread I never heard of aspergers.  
I never heard the term assburgers either.... but that was fricking funny to me. I laughed so hard, I almost passed out.
I don't make the connection of aspergers to assburgers. To me, they are two completely different things.
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« Reply #52 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 20:17:59 »
I'm not so sure an internet administered test has much accuracy, and I'm also not so sure that this type of test can be self-administered without some check in place (perspective is everything).

I was in the 0-12, but could have taken the test very differently. Yet, my last girlfriend would call me back off the "OCD ledge" as she called it on various projects, work, etc.
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« Reply #53 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 20:27:35 »
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I'm not so sure an internet administered test has much accuracy, and I'm also not so sure that this type of test can be self-administered without some check in place (perspective is everything).

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I think the web site said the same thing. I wouldn't take the results seriously.

Many of the questions could have been answered differently, depending on my mood and frame of mind.  I don't know. I blame it on the assburgers.
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« Reply #55 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 21:49:26 »
I find it funny that so many of you are scoring in the 30s. You must have picked some very weird answers to some of the questions.

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« Reply #56 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 21:56:53 »
Considering this forum where people happily devote hours on end dismantling, measuring, photographing, modifying and discussing the intricacies of keyboard key switches... I'd say membership here is a shoe in.
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« Reply #57 on: Sun, 13 June 2010, 23:08:43 »
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I'm not so sure an internet administered test has much accuracy, and I'm also not so sure that this type of test can be self-administered without some check in place (perspective is everything).


The quality of being self administered is not much different than a lot of "real" personality tests that relies on people filling out very long questionnaires. The key is LOOOONG questionnaires where you can expect to be asked the same question 20 different times in different ways to minimize bias coming as the result of the person not understanding the question or interpreting his own response generously toward his own ideals.
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« Reply #58 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 02:57:27 »
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I don't think aspergers is a "disease", it's more of a mindset. I'm probably biased, but, I think if people change their attitude, they wouldn't have such issues (everyone has volition and can choose what to do, blaming it on something else is stupidity). My best guess is that it usually spawns from a bad childhood and poor parenting, gosh, so many people today are such horrible parents it's no wonder.
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« Reply #60 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:35:45 »
I once had a doctor / neurologist who thought that I was an Aspberger and wanted to do further tests. When she filled in a test for me, the answer was "Aspberger". When I filled in the questionaire, the answe was "average". Nah, well.

On this test, I got "21 - Average computer scientist".
Hey, that is not what I wanted to read... I was hoping for "Awesome computer scientist"!

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« Reply #61 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 04:57:04 »
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I don't think aspergers is a "disease", it's more of a mindset. I'm probably biased, but, I think if people change their attitude, they wouldn't have such issues (everyone has volition and can choose what to do, blaming it on something else is stupidity). My best guess is that it usually spawns from a bad childhood and poor parenting, gosh, so many people today are such horrible parents it's no wonder.


I agree 100%. People with horrible social skills used to be called nerds. Now they have a disease to blame.

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« Reply #62 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 05:36:33 »
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I don't think aspergers is a "disease"

This statement is actually correct, but not for the reasons why you think it is. Asperger's is now considered a fully qualified subset of autism rather than a different kind of disorder... so I guess you should go and say people who are autistic can quit being autistic whenever they feel like it.

You are wrong again.
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« Reply #63 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 05:50:13 »
Poor parenting have nothing to do with it. All autism spectra disorders are very inheritable and recently several genetic markers have been found that explains the condition.
On the other hand, good parenting can help a kid to function quite well and cope with the disorder.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_autism
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« Reply #64 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 07:34:58 »
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« Reply #66 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 07:50:50 »
How did you guess my new job?  I was really looking for a change of pace.


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« Reply #67 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 10:09:40 »
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0 - didn't take the test.

Smart dude.

I think I saw on their scale that 0 was the average score for a Lego slacker.
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« Reply #68 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 10:56:03 »
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« Reply #72 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 17:22:02 »
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This statement is actually correct, but not for the reasons why you think it is. Asperger's is now considered a fully qualified subset of autism rather than a different kind of disorder... so I guess you should go and say people who are autistic can quit being autistic whenever they feel like it.

You are wrong again.


I think of it like this, if someone is addicted to something, they may have TROUBLE changing their mindset, but with a little practice it IS possible. Nothing is impossible when it comes to changing thought. Aspergers is merely like an addiction or being sustained in a bad environment for too long.

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I agree 100%. People with horrible social skills used to be called nerds. Now they have a disease to blame.


That's exactly what I was thinking. Introverts and the socially inept now all get to say they have a medical condition.

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Poor parenting have nothing to do with it. All autism spectra disorders are very inheritable and recently several genetic markers have been found that explains the condition.
On the other hand, good parenting can help a kid to function quite well and cope with the disorder.

Edit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heritability_of_autism


You CANNOT "inherit" mental attributes. That's like saying a baby will be able to paint a masterpiece just because their parents can. Mental stances of the mind have to be developed, they don't appear over night, and cannot be inherited. There's science, and there's philosophy. That's philosophy.
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« Reply #73 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 17:25:51 »
Have you ever met someone with autism? How do you propose they just 'snap' out of it?

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« Reply #74 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 17:30:25 »
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Have you ever met someone with autism? How do you propose they just 'snap' out of it?


I'm referring to aspergers, not the whole autistic spectrum (it gets a little crazy).

The way I see it, you can think anything you want, you can do anything you want, your personality isn't PREDEFINED. I can make any changes I want to my mind. What, is everyone in a shell and constricted to some autonomous mind controller than tells them what to do and what not to do?
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« Reply #75 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 17:33:21 »
It's important not to lump these things together...

Unrelated but very comparable analogy: pedophilia. I'm inclined to believe a pedophile who says they can't control their desire to do...that stuff they want to do...

But do you think all pedophiles have that same low-level irreversible drive? I'd say a good portion are just people with some twisted interests who are making a decision to feel and act that way, while there are genuinely people with a psychological problem at hand as well.
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« Reply #76 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 17:40:33 »
Well, I think most people agree that Autism is quite a serious problem that you can't just snap out of. If you can accept that autism isn't just a simple behavior problem, then it's conceivable that the same can be said for milder things.

Of course, contemporary understanding of psychiatry is stone-age grade. I do agree with you that a lot of so called 'diseases' should be treated as behavioral issues though.

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« Reply #77 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 18:04:59 »
ADD is one of them. "My child can't concentrate in school". Load of horse****. Learn how to concentrate instead of blaming it on a disease.

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« Reply #78 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 18:09:21 »
At the same time, there should be some sort of support and help for such children. Calling them lazy ****s and telling them to try harder doesn't accomplish much.

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« Reply #79 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 18:22:18 »
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At the same time, there should be some sort of support and help for such children. Calling them lazy ****s and telling them to try harder doesn't accomplish much.

But the only reason they're lazy ****s in the first place is because they're led to believe that they have a disease. Vicious cycle. When I was around 8 or 9, I had heard of a child who was exempted from taking math classes because he had ADD. After finding out that ADD meant that you had trouble concentrating, I felt I fit the requirements (after all, what kid CAN concentrate at school?) and so I asked my parents if I could skip math too. They laughed at me and threatened/bribed me into doing well at maths. Now that I'm an EE major,  I'm grateful that my parents had never been conned into believing I had ADD.

I have a cousin who's the same age as I was when I had first heard of ADD, except his dad is a typical American and believes everything the doctors say. As a result, the kid takes like 20 different kinds of pills for about 50 different syndromes and disorders they've given him. ADD, Violent Video Game Syndrome, Unreasonable Preference of Sports over Schoolwork Disorder, etc.

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« Reply #80 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 19:54:05 »
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But the only reason they're lazy ****s in the first place is because they're led to believe that they have a disease. Vicious cycle. When I was around 8 or 9, I had heard of a child who was exempted from taking math classes because he had ADD.


I was once a TA for a senior level course in Mechanical Engineering. One of the students had approval for doubling his exam time because he has ADHD. A 22-year-old. How is he going to survive as an engineer in the real world?

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« Reply #81 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 22:23:15 »
Be careful against stereotyping people who have (usually) milder disorders such as ADD that don't manifest themselves in ways that scream complete abnormality. There are always people who take advantage of their situation to give themselves an unfair advantage. There are plenty in the exact same boat who don't so don't paint them all with the same broad brush. You guys probably all know plenty of people with disorders that you wouldn't suspect them to have because they find ways of hiding them. Smart people with disorders often have very convincing ways of hiding their deficits.

Gr1m, your cousin might be a lazy **** and he's been diagnosed with ADD and might have ADD. That means that your cousin is a lazy ****. It doesn't mean that everyone who got the same diagnosis is a lazy **** if they have difficulty in school.

Phoenix, an attention deficit is often a component of other disorders. I have no idea what the deal would have been in the case of that engineer, but the extra time on tests is more common for someone who has dyslexia (which has a high incidence of occurring with ADD). Someone with ADD who's on medication shouldn't need extra time and someone who just has ADD alone could actually do WORSE with extra time because a confounding hallmark of people with ADD is that they're often unreliable, but somehow perform remarkably well under pressure.

Some of those people who are able to get through school with the help of special rules could indeed be in for a cruel awkening when they get into the real world, but most of them will probably do just fine and some will end up being far smarter than you would have ever thought because a lot of people with disorders have difficulty following set rules and handle things much better when they're allowed to do their work in the way they want to do their work.

Think of all the stories of big name CEOs and entrepeneurs or artists who had horrible grades in school or dropped out entirely. It's probably not an accident that their history of failure ended when they left an institutionalized environment.

Of course, most people who did poorly in school will not go on to become CEOs and a lot of people who drop out of school are simply idiots. I'm sure we can all agree that there are a lot of idiots in the world. By that measure, that also means a lot of idiots have psychological disorders, but that doesn't mean that everyone who has that disorder is an idiot or a lazy ****.
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« Reply #82 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 22:47:35 »
Wait, why are we calling my cousin a lazy ****?

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« Reply #83 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 22:54:44 »
Oh... because he IS!

Ummm... actually it's because I thought you called him a lazy ****, but it just appears that you said he was an American.
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« Reply #84 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 23:08:32 »
Maybe he's too lazy to retaliate, so we can call him what we like?:behindsofa:

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« Reply #85 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 23:15:12 »
NO disrespect to anyone who does have aspergers or knows anyone who does but...



BTW, Aspergers is very real, ADD, ADHD, Depression, etc. are very real.  Its' our understanding of them that is usually lacking and we learn more every year about it.  The "suck it up and pull your bootstraps up and cope with it" method will only take you so far.  Just like "suck it up and deal with it" can work with a cold or headache, but not when you have a chronic heart condition or cancer.

Before being too judgmental about anyone with mental illness, a learning disability, mood disorder or even mild behavior and learning challenges... remember this quote:   "Try walking a mile in MY ****!" - Tourettes Guy
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« Reply #86 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 23:35:36 »
Jesus, just skate it off.

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« Reply #87 on: Mon, 14 June 2010, 23:45:05 »
I agree with almost everything you guys said above, and I indeed know very little about these disorders. They are not well known or recognized in my home country.

I mentioned the college senior who asked for more time because of ADHD, because I thought culturally ADHD is only talked about when you are young. Surely through years of school he would have found out how best to cope with it, no? I would expect someone like him to work extra hard if being an engineer is what he wanted. In that case I would find it inspiring. But I didn't see it in that particular student.

The entrepreneurs who got bad grades in school is something completely different. Most of them just don't like what they are taking, so the grade system is only holding them back from their real passion. Fortunately in the US people have many different paths to success.

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« Reply #88 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 02:52:21 »
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I mentioned the college senior who asked for more time because of ADHD, because I thought culturally ADHD is only talked about when you are young.

Besides having a healthcare background, this runs in my family so I know quite a bit about it. It was traditionally thought that you outgrew ADHD, but we now know that you don't. People often outgrow the hyperactivity part or at least become a lot less hyperactive so the most obvious signs of the disorder disappear. The distractive part of ADHD doesn't go away so adults who really do have untreated ADHD have a high tendency to be failures in life (for lack of a better term).

Stigmatizing them to just get over it doesn't do them any good and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't do YOU any good either because they might be driving the next taxi cab you get into or flying the next plane or conducting the next passenger rail you hop on. You might live a longer life if these people get the treatment they need.

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Surely through years of school he would have found out how best to cope with it, no?

Yes, that's partially correct. If he made it that far, then he's probably actually extremely smart for having made it that far. However, coping with something doesn't mean that it goes away. You cannot just try harder and be a fundamentally different person tomorrow.

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I would expect someone like him to work extra hard if being an engineer is what he wanted. In that case I would find it inspiring. But I didn't see it in that particular student.
He might have been working harder than you could have ever imagined... or you might be right. The guy may have been a lazy worthless **** who gives all other hard working people with disabilities a bad name, but you can't use this as an excuse to condemn people who ask for special considerations because of a disability as lazy cheaters.

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The entrepreneurs who got bad grades in school is something completely different. Most of them just don't like what they are taking, so the grade system is only holding them back from their real passion. Fortunately in the US people have many different paths to success.
I'd say that's probably true of high school, but a lot less true for college coursework. Either way, what you just said is really not very different from the point I was trying to make... that some people suffer in instututionalized environments, but go on to thrive when they no longer have to follow rules and regimens imposed upon them and many people with psychological disorders have great difficulty with rules and regimens because those rules an regimens were not designed for people who work the way they do.
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« Reply #89 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 03:53:45 »
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You CANNOT "inherit" mental attributes. That's like saying a baby will be able to paint a masterpiece just because their parents can. Mental stances of the mind have to be developed, they don't appear over night, and cannot be inherited. There's science, and there's philosophy. That's philosophy.


People are not born as a blank slate, our brains and neural systems are organs just as hearts, kidneys and such. Just like you can be born with a heart defect you can be born with a neural system that doesn't produce enough dopamin wich will cause severe depressions in the long run.
Most of the mental illnesses are in fact hereditary.
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« Reply #90 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 04:00:20 »
I got a six. Hooray?

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« Reply #91 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 04:54:08 »
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I think of it like this, if someone is addicted to something, they may have TROUBLE changing their mindset, but with a little practice it IS possible. Nothing is impossible when it comes to changing thought. Aspergers is merely like an addiction or being sustained in a bad environment for too long.

They actually have found that the right therapy can reduce autistic tendencies in people with aspergers or autism... but only to a certain degree. We should never underestimate what can be accomplished through will power and interventions, but that's a far cry from saying that if you want to change bad enough, it's possible.

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You CANNOT "inherit" mental attributes. That's like saying a baby will be able to paint a masterpiece just because their parents can. Mental stances of the mind have to be developed, they don't appear over night, and cannot be inherited. There's science, and there's philosophy. That's philosophy.


You do in fact inherit mental attributes. What you don't inherit are outcomes of possessing some or many of those attributes of your parents. If both of your parents are brilliant best selling authors, chances are that you'll have a gift with words even if you were given up for adoption. Whether you will be able to use your gift to become a best selling author yourself is much less certain.

There are a lot of people here who are very opinionated on things they have very little knowledge of. I have no idea how old you are, so maybe I should be less critical, but some of the things you're saying are so lacking of evidence that someone with a couple of semester of college level psychology classes would be able to argue them down.

The things you're talking about are seriously related to my previous career. Most people think of physical therapists as people who make you do exercises to fix aches and pains, but the first job of physical therapists is to understand the state of being disabled. We mostly deal with physical disabilities, but we also have to do a lot of training in understanding psychological disabilities because if you treat physical disabilities, you encounter a lot of psychological disabilities too.
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« Reply #93 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 09:47:53 »
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« Reply #94 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 10:15:03 »
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You CANNOT "inherit" mental attributes.

You need to be better educated on the topic before you post nonsense yet another time. Your posts on Asperger's have the credibility of Tom Cruise criticizing Brooke Shields.

People can and do inherit physical characteristics that affect their mental attributes. Seasonal Depression based on serotonin imbalance is inheritable. Downs Syndrome is a perfect example of a mental "attribute" that's predictable from physical markers ... while the baby is in the womb. There is no parental upbringing that causes Seasonal Depression, Downs, or Aspergers any differently than parents are responsible for albinism, Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy, or Lou Gherig/Stephen Hawking disease.
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« Reply #95 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 10:36:58 »
That poor kid looks like he just had an accident in his pants.



It was probably his sister.


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« Reply #96 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 10:38:17 »
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Besides having a healthcare background, this runs in my family so I know quite a bit about it. It was traditionally thought that you outgrew ADHD, but we now know that you don't. People often outgrow the hyperactivity part or at least become a lot less hyperactive so the most obvious signs of the disorder disappear. The distractive part of ADHD doesn't go away so adults who really do have untreated ADHD have a high tendency to be failures in life (for lack of a better term).

Stigmatizing them to just get over it doesn't do them any good and perhaps more importantly, it doesn't do YOU any good either because they might be driving the next taxi cab you get into or flying the next plane or conducting the next passenger rail you hop on. You might live a longer life if these people get the treatment they need.

 
Yes, that's partially correct. If he made it that far, then he's probably actually extremely smart for having made it that far. However, coping with something doesn't mean that it goes away. You cannot just try harder and be a fundamentally different person tomorrow.


He might have been working harder than you could have ever imagined... or you might be right. The guy may have been a lazy worthless **** who gives all other hard working people with disabilities a bad name, but you can't use this as an excuse to condemn people who ask for special considerations because of a disability as lazy cheaters.


I'd say that's probably true of high school, but a lot less true for college coursework. Either way, what you just said is really not very different from the point I was trying to make... that some people suffer in institutionalized environments, but go on to thrive when they no longer have to follow rules and regimens imposed upon them and many people with psychological disorders have great difficulty with rules and regimens because those rules an regimens were not designed for people who work the way they do.


Hyperlinked, thanks for the very detailed and reasoned reply. As I said I really know very little about these disorders. I didn't treat that student with any disrespect back then, and I didn't accuse him as being a cheater in my original post. At the time I just didn't think that extending exam time was a reasonable option. I would have felt much more comfortable if he was helped in learning and doing homework but took the exam like everybody else because an exam doesn't test someone's creativity or mastery of the subject. It tests someone's ability to complete a set of basic problems in a limited amount of time*. The system should find other ways to recognize his strength, not mask his difference till it's too late.


  • This is actually not very relevant in the real world, so he will probably do just fine.

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« Reply #97 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 12:37:39 »
Hook, line, and sinker.
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« Reply #98 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 13:30:10 »
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...neural system that doesn't produce enough dopamin...

I meant seretonine, sorry.
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« Reply #99 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 14:00:36 »
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Anyone claiming to get less than 20 needs to post a picture of their GF with a keyboard on their head before I'll believe it.
On a certain image board you'd get over 9000 replys with fleshlights + keyboards on top!
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« Reply #100 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 14:07:04 »
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On a certain image board you'd get over 9000 replys with fleshlights + keyboards on top!


That's funny.


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« Reply #101 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 14:52:53 »
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I got a six. Hooray?


It sounds good, but if you work in IT, you might want to consider a career change... :wink:
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« Reply #102 on: Tue, 15 June 2010, 15:00:42 »
My score was high too, 23.

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« Reply #103 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 07:34:27 »
The test said I'm the "average female scientist". The only problems are that I'm male, and I'm not a scientist.
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« Reply #104 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 16:44:52 »
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The test said I'm the "average female scientist". The only problems are that I'm male, and I'm not a scientist.


Really? I thought you were a female scientist the whole time! Your persona totally screams it.
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« Reply #105 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 17:50:31 »
Maybe they'll fuse together to form something vaguely useful.

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« Reply #106 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 19:16:24 »
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Maybe they'll fuse together to form something vaguely useful.


We should shoot them down the Large Hadron Collider and see what happens when they meet.

The LHC is working much better now they've upgraded the sensors:


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« Reply #107 on: Wed, 16 June 2010, 20:14:06 »
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This is getting confusing.  I can never tell EverythingIBM and MW apart and now you guys are trolling each other?


It's simple, he uses ancient IBM-clones and I use genuine IBMs. And I also have high-end computers. AND, I also play a lot of computer games.

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Maybe they'll fuse together to form something vaguely useful.


Fuse together? Why don't you go fuse together with some irish beer =p
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« Reply #108 on: Thu, 17 June 2010, 04:19:37 »
I got 17 on the test - average female scientist :P
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« Reply #109 on: Thu, 17 June 2010, 04:31:34 »
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Fuse together? Why don't you go fuse together with some irish beer =p


Irish beer is highly over-rated...

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« Reply #110 on: Thu, 17 June 2010, 05:49:18 »
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Irish beer is highly over-rated...

Don't tell that to the Nigerians.
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« Reply #111 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 08:43:03 »
36.

Not surprised. (Not that I think that that test was meaningful. There's ways for people who aren't anywhere near the autistic spectrum to score high, and people who have been diagnosed to score very low.)

Never been diagnosed, but considering that I don't use it as an excuse, and know how to work around my limitations, I don't think I need to be diagnosed. I've definitely had to LEARN social cues, though, and if I'm not concentrating on them, I miss them.

The trick to adapting to Asperger's is to hyperfocus on social cues for a while. Turns the downsides of Asperger's upside down on themselves.

And, at least in my experience, once I hyperfocus on something, for the most part, the knowledge doesn't leave me, even when I switch to hyperfocusing on something else.

Oh, and I think the descriptions of "assburgers" are ****ing funny. I guess I lucked out and got this thing called "a sense of humor." :D

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« Reply #112 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 11:53:25 »
39. What are these other people I keep hearing about ?
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« Reply #113 on: Sun, 27 June 2010, 12:08:39 »
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36.

Not surprised. (Not that I think that that test was meaningful. There's ways for people who aren't anywhere near the autistic spectrum to score high, and people who have been diagnosed to score very low.)

Never been diagnosed, but considering that I don't use it as an excuse, and know how to work around my limitations, I don't think I need to be diagnosed. I've definitely had to LEARN social cues, though, and if I'm not concentrating on them, I miss them.

The trick to adapting to Asperger's is to hyperfocus on social cues for a while. Turns the downsides of Asperger's upside down on themselves.

And, at least in my experience, once I hyperfocus on something, for the most part, the knowledge doesn't leave me, even when I switch to hyperfocusing on something else.

Oh, and I think the descriptions of "assburgers" are ****ing funny. I guess I lucked out and got this thing called "a sense of humor." :D


To an extent, I could say the same of myself. This of course raises the question - when is it Aspergers, and when is it just being an awkward teenager who learns social norms the hard way?

That said, I got 21 :)