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(https://i.imgur.com/Xjrrf0v.png)That looks great. But why not add black f1~f4&f9~f12 on modifier kit? I want black f1~f12.
So if one wants a full black ortho, you'd have to buy the alphas, ortho and two spacebar kits, since there's only 1 black 1u key. That makes very little sense.This was "on purpose" as KAT Monochrome was not supposed to support full WoB/BoW anything except for what could be covered with alpha+modifiers+numpad. Now that OCM cancelled KAT WoB, I'll be reworking the kits and make a BoW and WoB variant in addition to the Monochrome one :-) Stay tuned!
And since you also get spacebars with the alphas, you'd end up with a total of 26 extra unused space bars :thumb:
The set looks great. Count me in
Any chance we'll see a WoB Colevrak kit?
This will let people who are interested in a completely WoB set with colevrak.
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People are reporting misaligned legends and mould issues on the KAT milkshake they've just received :eek: :eek:
Biip's discord server has multiple reports of the above mentioned issues.
I'm curious, if anything can be done to see that this does not happen with KAT monochrome should it go into GB.
I love the clean look of this set, and the extensive international support offered by all the kits!
I'd like to suggest one more: please add a "Japan Kit" to this set which adds support for Japanese (JIS) layout keyboards. Note that I am *not* asking for hiragana legends or anything of that ilk, just support for Japanese layout in the same way that you have a France kit to support French layouts.
I've attached an image of what this would entail for this set. The space bars are optional -- you already have a 3U in your spacebars kit, for example -- but would be nice to have. The ◯/× symbols are kind of stand-ins for the actual icon mods they represent; see the keys either side of the space bar in these images for examples:
- Filco style (https://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/FKB108MCNBR_05.jpg)
- HHKB style (https://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/leaflet/images/projp_keytop_w_l.jpg)
You could also do away with the icon versions entirely and just go for text mods for these keys. Or you could have Japanese-language versions of these keys (無変換/変換 etc.), but I didn't include these because they didn't seem right for this set.
JIS support is currently severely under-represented in the keyboard community, partly because the MOQ mechanisms involved with traditional manufacturers like GMK require a certain amount of momentum to even get started. My understanding is that KAT makes this easier by having MOQs based on number of keys across all kits, so even if a kit is less popular, it still contributes to the total MOQ. This affords us the opportunity to stick our toe in the water with JIS-supporting kits.
It would be especially nice to have JIS support for a clean kit like this, with its neutral colour scheme and simple alphas. Alpha-only kits (without hiragana sublegends) are very popular in Japan, so I'd love to see more support for JIS in kits that aren't otherwise "Japanese-y" like so many of the hiragana sub- and mono- legends that we've had recently (not that they aren't great too!)
Please do give this request consideration as I really think this set could really lead the way on more general JIS support. I'm happy to answer any further questions either here or privately / on Discord.
Thanks!
I have seen this online, indeed. I invite all KAT designers to urge Keyrative to get their tooling fixed. I have contacted them (via zFrontier) and have asked an explanation as to what is going to be done to fix the issue. I will comment here when I know what will be done.
Hello everyone!I’d gladly buy Hiragana / Katakana alphas if made. I’m that weeb. Otherwise, fantastic job on this entire set. In for so many kits.
I wanted to thank you all for the support and feedback here/on reddit/on the Google Form (now obsolete due to the new kits). I wanted to ping everyone following as I have listened and have added WoB and BoW variants for ALL kits - hope you enjoy :)People are reporting misaligned legends and mould issues on the KAT milkshake they've just received :eek: :eek:
Biip's discord server has multiple reports of the above mentioned issues.
I'm curious, if anything can be done to see that this does not happen with KAT monochrome should it go into GB.
I have seen this online, indeed. I invite all KAT designers to urge Keyrative to get their tooling fixed. I have contacted them (via zFrontier) and have asked an explanation as to what is going to be done to fix the issue. I will comment here when I know what will be done.I love the clean look of this set, and the extensive international support offered by all the kits!
I'd like to suggest one more: please add a "Japan Kit" to this set which adds support for Japanese (JIS) layout keyboards. Note that I am *not* asking for hiragana legends or anything of that ilk, just support for Japanese layout in the same way that you have a France kit to support French layouts.
I've attached an image of what this would entail for this set. The space bars are optional -- you already have a 3U in your spacebars kit, for example -- but would be nice to have. The ◯/× symbols are kind of stand-ins for the actual icon mods they represent; see the keys either side of the space bar in these images for examples:
- Filco style (https://www.diatec.co.jp/image_prod/FKB108MCNBR_05.jpg)
- HHKB style (https://www.pfu.fujitsu.com/hhkeyboard/leaflet/images/projp_keytop_w_l.jpg)
You could also do away with the icon versions entirely and just go for text mods for these keys. Or you could have Japanese-language versions of these keys (無変換/変換 etc.), but I didn't include these because they didn't seem right for this set.
JIS support is currently severely under-represented in the keyboard community, partly because the MOQ mechanisms involved with traditional manufacturers like GMK require a certain amount of momentum to even get started. My understanding is that KAT makes this easier by having MOQs based on number of keys across all kits, so even if a kit is less popular, it still contributes to the total MOQ. This affords us the opportunity to stick our toe in the water with JIS-supporting kits.
It would be especially nice to have JIS support for a clean kit like this, with its neutral colour scheme and simple alphas. Alpha-only kits (without hiragana sublegends) are very popular in Japan, so I'd love to see more support for JIS in kits that aren't otherwise "Japanese-y" like so many of the hiragana sub- and mono- legends that we've had recently (not that they aren't great too!)
Please do give this request consideration as I really think this set could really lead the way on more general JIS support. I'm happy to answer any further questions either here or privately / on Discord.
Thanks!
I just finished a big update on all kits - I will take a look at this in a bit :)
I just finished a big update on all kits - I will take a look at this in a bit :)
Damn, that's a lot of kits. But MoQ is different with KAT, right?
Damn, that's a lot of kits. But MoQ is different with KAT, right?
Yes to my understanding it's # of total keycaps sold, instead of individual kits. Not sure if certain kits are made if they only sell 1 though :P Curious to know now.
its a great time to be alive for wob options
cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there
its a great time to be alive for wob options
cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there
Is there anything missing from the ISO kits? If so, which keys would be needed?
its a great time to be alive for wob options
cant believe im asking for more kits but would love to see uk iso included, couldnt see it in there
Is there anything missing from the ISO kits? If so, which keys would be needed?
Give me a few minutes, until all the images have loaded, and I'll check them.
We are in talks with Keyreative at the moment and they agreed on actively providing replacements
misaligned legends, damaged keys, tinted keys: def a QC issue and they will be providing replacements upon individual reports and work on better QC.
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)
I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all :( :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)
I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all :( :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)
I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all :( :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)
Why make a simple kit more compicated and expensive when it's obvious nobody is buying this to actually type Japanese?Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)
I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all :( :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
This is something that got required a couple of times already so I'll definitely look into this and I might look into other alternative alphas if requested :)
If you are considering hiragana alphas -- and I'm thrilled that you are -- and if you're using KAT WoB as a guide, I will re-iterate the points I made in the KAT WoB thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102755.msg2901637#msg2901637):
- As pointed out by konstantin, replace べ and ぺ with either unadorned ゛ and ゜, or the version with circles or boxes to show placement: ◌゛ ◌゜ (for boxed versions take a look at the Apple keyboard (https://store.storeimages.cdn-apple.com/4982/as-images.apple.com/is/MRMH2J?wid=2000&hei=2000&fmt=jpeg&qlt=95&op_usm=0.5,0.5&.v=1520717502224) or Masterpiece (https://i.imgur.com/5VUtq0R.png))
- Add an R4 [ー] key
- Add an R2 [む] key
- Add an R1 [ろ] key
- For bonus points, but not essential like the previous four: add an R1 version of the [ー] key as well. This is handy for 40%/50% ortho users, as well as ISO users potentially, who might want to put it left of the Z if they are using ろ in the top-left.
These extra keys could either go in with the hiragana alphas kit or in the Japan kit I requested earlier; my preference would be just to include them in with the hiragana alphas as it's not that many more keys and they might be useful for people who don't need the JIS functionality provided by the Japan kit.
If you can manage correct JIS hiragana alphas, *and* the Japan Kit for full JIS support on the original set as well... omg, I am going to be so all-in on this set it's not even funny. I might even buy two of everything.
As always, I'm happy to answer any questions, either here or on discord. I tried to click the discord button in your original post but as somebody else mentioned, the link has expired. I'm kidviddy#3465 if you'd like to get in touch :-)
Why make a simple kit more compicated and expensive when it's obvious nobody is buying this to actually type Japanese?
After all, even Japanese folks also use Latin alphas anyway.
It's pure aesthetic.
So: KISS.
Just because KATY WoB is now officially dead,
Any chance of a Hiragana Alphas kit?
Pretty please?Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0K5y4Ts.jpg)
I just want to turn this render into reality, that's all :( :Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/lEHOOvq.jpg)
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?
My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal
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Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?
My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal
Would it be possible to add the escape key with the skull on it from OneCreativeMind's KAT WoB as a novelty?
My apologies if this request is out of line. I'm only asking because it looks absolutely phenomenal
That's OCM's logo, I doubt it would be in this set since he did not design it.
hmmn hmmn, ne Salvun keycap avail? :)^^ we need this
You going for the darkest black and with those fonts? sign me in for a full WoB set! i personally prefer your fonts than the refined WoB set! Awesome!
Till when do you plan to run this IC?
Just read through both pages of the post - was wondering when I was going to see the japanese kit get put in since I found this post through TX Keyboards' page: https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/.
Side-note, i feel so special since the rama zenith was considered during this process. I just bought the board :)
hmmn hmmn, ne Salvun keycap avail? :)
Here is a list of what will be coming:And it gets better! Really good stuff here.
* Hiragana
* Hangul
* Arabic
* Zhuyin
* Latin (of course)
Hello Everyone,
As of right now, KAT Monochrome is guaranteed to have:
* Latin
* Hangul
* Hiragana
* Arabic
But considering a couple of requests I have had recently, I need your help to decide the last one kit between:
* Zhuyin (Chinese)
* Cyrillic
https://strawpoll.com/2ybggbdz3
Thanks a lot for your time :heart:
If you want to chat or check the progress of the kits/GB in real time, you can join the discord here: https://discord.gg/9eZQcaW
Okay why are there entire mod kits for alternating F keys. Just make kits for alternate F-Row colors instead of entire mod sets.
I see youre thinking, but it also makes it difficult for people who want to use both without buying two sets of mods.Okay why are there entire mod kits for alternating F keys. Just make kits for alternate F-Row colors instead of entire mod sets.
Like that you can get exactly what you want without having to think about getting another F-Row kit and that lowers the amount of keys you will not use :) I know it's only 8 keys, but that is the idea :)
* Added a R3 "Up" key to all modifiers kits
Any updates on this? I really look forward on this keysets.
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.
Not in KAT profile. Every KAT set so far has either been text-only or icon-only. Although icon+text could be something to try out in the future.
I actually believe that text + icons are more common than text-only modifiers, which themselves more common than icon-only modifiers.
Not in KAT profile. Every KAT set so far has either been text-only or icon-only. Although icon+text could be something to try out in the future.
Or now ? :D
Anyway, if it does not happen on KAT Monochrome I will get those of KAT Refined:MoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/o7F6g7j.jpg)
The only reason I'm not taking KAT Refined is because of the non-centered alpha. But does not bother me that much for modifiers and it's quite usual to see centered alpha + non-centered modifiers.
Unfortunately this is not a style that I really enjoyed and it has always bothered me with GMK keysets. I am probably going to keep it text/icons only but I appreciate the feedback :)
This set will be a nightmare to me but hopefully everyone can get something they want
So these will all be main alphas (not -sub)? I would like to see qwerty main and -sub different alphas but understand the desire to have each typeface stand out. I need a good solid WoB and BoW set. We'll see how this turns out. gl
So these will all be main alphas (not -sub)? I would like to see qwerty main and -sub different alphas but understand the desire to have each typeface stand out. I need a good solid WoB and BoW set. We'll see how this turns out. gl
No chance for ISO enter?
No chance for ISO enter?
Sorry, I meant as in the base modifiers kit!
Ah, no, that won't happen. the idea behind the way KAT kits work is that you can create small, inexpensive, kits and even if only one is sold, if the global MOQ is met, everything will be made so you don't have to be afraid a particular ISO kit won't be made, everything will be ;)
Any updates?
That is an overboard amount of kits my man, vendors are gonna have a bad time.
Great news on the prices, no direct GBP?
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Thanks, looking forward to it! Definitely in for this, will look smart on a white Space65Great news on the prices, no direct GBP?
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This will come shortly, Jae had a week off but the UK prices will be in GBP :)
Forgot to add this to my previous post - Monochrome Salvador!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/RprmwMS.jpg)
I'm probably late but the ه character in the Arabic alphas trigger the life out of me.
Is it possible to change it to هـ ?
The one put in the alphas kit right now just looks like an Arabic 5, which just looks wrong.
Basically, ه and shift+j gives you
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So pumped for this. Officially my first set and from what I can see, fantastic work.
Last but not least, I got contacted a couple of days ago to update the novelty kit to add a second R2 novelty to offer full compatibility for boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith board, so here are the updated novelty kits:
Last but not least, I got contacted a couple of days ago to update the novelty kit to add a second R2 novelty to offer full compatibility for boards like the ION x RAMA Zenith board, so here are the updated novelty kits:
Can I be absolutely daft and do a sanity check: what is required to be sure this set will work with Ion Zenith in ANSI? Is it merely a set of
- alphas
- modifiers
- novelties
..?
Thanks to anybody doing the handholding. (...in this age of Covid..!! :D )
Can I be absolutely daft and do a sanity check: what is required to be sure this set will work with Ion Zenith in ANSI? Is it merely a set of
- alphas
- modifiers
- novelties
..?
Thanks to anybody doing the handholding. (...in this age of Covid..!! :D )
Yup, that's it :D I updated the novelty kit during the hyperfuse IC to make sure it supported the Zenith and I made the same changes here :)