Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:42:45
(https://i.imgur.com/plq30ZF.jpg)
Introduction
Better were the days when mastery of seas came not from bargains struck with eldritch creatures, but from the sweat of a man's brow and the strength of his back alone. You all know this to be true. Gentlemen. Ladies.
-Captain Hector Barbossa
Hi everyone! Quick introduction. So I'm Chad and I'm the artisan behind KeyLabs Keycaps that I run with my pal Andrew. We're still a little new, and I spend a lot of time lurking, but I've had this keyset idea floating around my mind for a good while and really wanted to take a solid shot at the design. So I present to you, respectfully, the humble beginnings of GMK Hammerhead.
I want this set to evoke the feel of chilled, oceanic spray against your cheeks and the roll of deep blue-grey swells under a stormy sky. To spring forth the cry of gulls, heard over the ship's billowing sails, while your fellow sailors throw dice and spin tales of the great monsters of the deep and of loved ones from home. Surging white caps and cold, uncharted northern waters await. All of this splendor packed mysteriously into a GMK set.
Or something along those lines. I'm not a novelist.
Group Buy: July 6th-31st
Vendors
US: NovelKeys (https://novelkeys.xyz/products/gmk-hammerhead-gb)
Canada: DeskHero (https://www.deskhero.ca/products/gmk-hammerhead)
EU: Candy Keys (https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-hammerhead-r2)
Oceania: Daily Clack (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-hammerhead)
Asia: zFrontier (https://www.zfrontier.com/mch/l3xnGQR9A52o) / zFrontier (EN) (https://en.zfrontier.com/collections/gmk/products/gmk-hammerhead-1)
Pricing
US (NovelKeys)
- Base Kit (Dark): $125
- Base Kit (Light): $125
- Novelties: $55
- Extras: $30
- Euro: $40
Canada (DeskHero)
- Base Kit (Dark): CAD$179
- Base Kit (Light): CAD$179
- Novelties: CAD$79
- Extras: CAD$43
- Euro: CAD$58
EU (CandyKeys)
- Base Kit (Dark): €134
- Base Kit (Light): €134
- Novelties: €57
- Extras: €32
- Euro: €41
Oceania (Daily Clack)
- Base Kit (Dark): AU$200
- Base Kit (Light): AU$200
- Novelties: AU$88
- Extras: AU$48
- Euro: AU$64
Asia (zFrontier)
- Base Kit (Dark): CN¥939 | $150 (EN)
- Base Kit (Light): CN¥939 | $150 (EN)
- Novelties: CN¥399 | $57 (EN)
- Extras: CN¥215 | $31 (EN)
- Euro: CN¥288 | $42 (EN)
Kits
Renders provided by the wonderful Janglad
Base
(https://i.imgur.com/plq30ZF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/SiNmzhY.jpg)
Base (light alphas)
(https://i.imgur.com/I6a4wrx.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/zSEAKMN.jpg)
Novelty
(https://imgur.com/629RvWH.jpg)
Extras
(https://i.imgur.com/ELkyeGB.jpg)
Euro
(https://i.imgur.com/hPGkNje.jpg)
Deskpads
(https://i.imgur.com/Mx8FQFI.jpg)
Art by the fantastic krash_draws on instagram. 900x400mm, 4mm thick pad with stitched, printed edges.
Aluminum Artisans
We decided to design and manufacturer our own aluminum keycaps to match Hammerhead. These are based on GMK R1 profile, with a flattened top face and resin infill in the shark tooth cutout. They actually feel amazing on your fingers, we're super happy with how they turned out! You can expect these to be available on our website for a group buy at some point this month.
(https://i.imgur.com/u7hJyaF.jpg)
Cables
We've partnered up with Space Cables to offer some really fantastic USB cable designs to pair with Hammerhead. Available during the Group Buy window at Space Cables. (https://spaceholdings.net/products/hammerhead-cables)
(https://i.imgur.com/L3RtMB9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PhN7HDl.jpg)
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Keyboard Renders
(https://i.imgur.com/oc7lviK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ZGKwIPX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/VqmZvwj.jpg)
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(https://i.imgur.com/0vh005g.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/C7NhLh8.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/QqbHr8a.jpg)
Color Reference
(https://i.imgur.com/krBiUVm.png)
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[url=https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98238.0][img width=480 height=120]https://i.imgur.com/fE1m3Qr.jpg[/img][/url]Post by: SolidCactus on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:44:49
Post by: hineybush on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:50:53
Just adding that bc I feel it'd look better with the normal styling
Post by: hayt on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:51:39
Post by: dallman5 on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:53:13
For the F-row from F1 to Pause, I’d personally prefer grey/blue/grey/blue (aka traditional hiney said) as opposed to blue/grey/blue/grey (like you have mocked up now) but that’s not a dealbreaker for me necessarily.
Edit: missed the alpha colored WASD in the kit mock-up
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:54:40
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:56:06
I dig the colorway, but please, please, please include alpha colored WASD as well.
In addition for the F-row from F1 to Pause, I’d personally prefer grey/blue/grey/blue (aka traditional hiney said) as opposed to blue/grey/blue/grey (like you have mocked up now) but that’s not a dealbreaker for me necessarily.
Thats a fair point. I'll work on playing with the F-row and seeing how it looks. I could always include the alternative scheme (shown in the renders) in a kit possibly. And I had considered the WASD issue as well and put the alpha colored ones in the base kit, they're just placed below. Thanks for the input! Really appreciate it.
Post by: dallman5 on Mon, 19 November 2018, 13:57:26
I dig the colorway, but please, please, please include alpha colored WASD as well.
In addition for the F-row from F1 to Pause, I’d personally prefer grey/blue/grey/blue (aka traditional hiney said) as opposed to blue/grey/blue/grey (like you have mocked up now) but that’s not a dealbreaker for me necessarily.
Thats a fair point. I'll work on playing with the F-row and seeing how it looks. I could always include the alternative scheme (shown in the renders) in a kit possibly. And I had considered the WASD issue as well and put the alpha colored ones in the base kit, they're just placed below.
Yep that’s certainly an option, but could get pricey including both is all.
My mistake on the WASD keys, thanks for pointing that out :)
Post by: equalunique on Mon, 19 November 2018, 15:42:14
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Post by: rondg on Mon, 19 November 2018, 16:03:36
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 19 November 2018, 17:25:18
The Fn row is reversed compared to "traditional" coloring. F1-F4, F9-F12 is traditionally the alpha colorway, and F5-F8 and the nav keys are the mod colorway.
Just adding that bc I feel it'd look better with the normal styling
Gave it the ol switcheroo. I do like this a bit better. The design has some more natural flow to it.
Post by: PotatoTM on Mon, 19 November 2018, 17:52:57
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Post by: otanishock on Tue, 20 November 2018, 11:27:03
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Post by: venderzhao on Tue, 20 November 2018, 17:54:13
Post by: s3vv4 on Wed, 21 November 2018, 04:33:38
Post by: otanishock on Wed, 21 November 2018, 05:04:40
White alphas dont work for the deep ocean themeAgree if it was like pure white. This is more in line of a muted white tho...
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 21 November 2018, 07:26:13
White alphas dont work for the deep ocean themeAgree if it was like pure white. This is more in line of a muted white tho...
The alphas are more of a very subtle-light steel blue/grey color. I feel as though it ties in with the oceanic "master and commander with a bit of an edge" feel I was hoping for. But always interested in hearing more thoughts about it.
Post by: rachel on Wed, 21 November 2018, 08:57:31
I like the colours too.
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Post by: knugles on Thu, 22 November 2018, 07:40:44
A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)
I like the colours too.
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I agree with this so much! Very cool keyset
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 22 November 2018, 08:35:40
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 26 November 2018, 17:14:31
A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)
I like the colours too.
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Your wish has been granted. How do you like them apples
If anyone has any suggestions on sizing, mod color, design or placement of the novelties please feel free to let me know!
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:04:53
Love every single bit. That just looks tu guddd. Very nice work!A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)
I like the colours too.
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Your wish has been granted. How do you like them apples
If anyone has any suggestions on sizing, mod color, design or placement of the novelties please feel free to let me know!
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 26 November 2018, 18:08:22
Love every single bit. That just looks tu guddd. Very nice work!A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)
I like the colours too.
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Your wish has been granted. How do you like them apples
If anyone has any suggestions on sizing, mod color, design or placement of the novelties please feel free to let me know!
Sweet. Glad you like it! I don't know exactly whether the designs will be row 1 or maybe a few on row 4 maybe. I'll have to play around with it a little bit and see what looks the best.
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 26 November 2018, 19:15:07
Love every single bit. That just looks tu guddd. Very nice work!A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)It does bring a vibe of ocean dolch, but much better in my opinion. Some R4 novelties would be dope too.
I like the colours too.
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Your wish has been granted. How do you like them apples
If anyone has any suggestions on sizing, mod color, design or placement of the novelties please feel free to let me know!
Sweet. Glad you like it! I don't know exactly whether the designs will be row 1 or maybe a few on row 4 maybe. I'll have to play around with it a little bit and see what looks the best.
Post by: rachel on Mon, 26 November 2018, 22:37:29
A hammerhead keyset must has a hammerhead novelty key. Just a suggestion! I’m looking forward to this :)
I like the colours too.
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If anyone has any suggestions on sizing, mod color, design or placement of the novelties please feel free to let me know!
Ooof! Looking good!
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Post by: mrpetrov on Tue, 27 November 2018, 10:08:44
Post by: NautiOG on Wed, 28 November 2018, 06:47:07
White alphas dont work for the deep ocean theme
Actually, White is one of the 1st colors I think of when being on the water. Marine coolers, boat hulls, cushions so many aspects of boating and fishing are directly tied to a nice clean white.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 29 November 2018, 12:52:44
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 December 2018, 20:28:25
I really dig the novelties, especially the shark ones.
Thanks! I'm looking to add one more to make the F Row complete since theres only 11 right now. I'm still trying to find the last icon that might fit the theme.
Post by: maximize on Thu, 06 December 2018, 11:00:12
Really like the colors of this set.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 06 December 2018, 11:23:53
I kind of had the same thoughts process
Post by: maximize on Fri, 07 December 2018, 09:10:37
Post by: tullyvivi on Fri, 07 December 2018, 09:30:53
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 08 December 2018, 09:01:13
Post by: Ashardalon on Sat, 08 December 2018, 11:18:08
I think you've got a good set on your hands!
Post by: euphxenos on Sat, 08 December 2018, 11:30:15
Agreed on getting the Pantone/RAL colours, but I'm really loving this set! I'm not the biggest fan of the different coloured WASD for the base kit, but I imagine that has something to do with the Hammerhead theme? If there was an option to have the WASD match the rest of the base alphas I'd probably go with that, but I can definitely jam to this too.
I think you've got a good set on your hands!
Take another look at the base kit -- he included WASD alphas to match the rest of the alphas, in addition to the accent-colored WASD keys. The ASD is in the far right of the R3 line in the bottom right corner of the kit render, and the W is one line up, more to the left.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 08 December 2018, 12:19:40
Agreed on getting the Pantone/RAL colours, but I'm really loving this set! I'm not the biggest fan of the different coloured WASD for the base kit, but I imagine that has something to do with the Hammerhead theme? If there was an option to have the WASD match the rest of the base alphas I'd probably go with that, but I can definitely jam to this too.
I think you've got a good set on your hands!
Take another look at the base kit -- he included WASD alphas to match the rest of the alphas, in addition to the accent-colored WASD keys. The ASD is in the far right of the R3 line in the bottom right corner of the kit render, and the W is one line up, more to the left.
Yeah the default WASD is absolutely part of the base kit, it is a bit hidden though so no worries. I'm a bit selfish and really love the mod color WASD and wanted to throw it in the base kit.
As far as Pantone colors go, I'm talking with GMK right now about pricing for the kits. I sent them the Pantone versions so I will go ahead and add the pantone colors to this post when I have a minute.
Post by: Sleepy_Badger on Sun, 06 January 2019, 09:24:40
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:31:51
interested...
Well thats awesome, really happy to hear that. Stay tuned for pricing soon! Currently in talks with GMK to lock that in. Might be working on some artisans behind the scenes...
Post by: RamenTechMech on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:35:59
interested...
Well thats awesome, really happy to hear that. Stay tuned for pricing soon! Currently in talks with GMK to lock that in. Might be working on some artisans behind the scenes...
Oh!! I can't wait to see what artisans you have to offer! :eek:
Post by: s3vv4 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 17:39:13
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 17 January 2019, 18:32:26
Post by: _GMK_ on Sat, 19 January 2019, 14:05:02
Just fix this in the alphas set, bacause otherwise it is unusable, add:
R2 <>
R3 #
R4 \|
F J with bars
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 19 January 2019, 15:43:30
maybe too similar to hyperfuse? In reality the alphas would be an instabuy, to combine them with that set.
Just fix this in the alphas set, bacause otherwise it is unusable, add:
R2 <>
R3 #
R4 \|
F J with bars
These are fair points, I'll see if I can get the additions made and added to the alpha set.
Post by: _GMK_ on Sun, 20 January 2019, 05:53:28
maybe too similar to hyperfuse? In reality the alphas would be an instabuy, to combine them with that set.
Just fix this in the alphas set, bacause otherwise it is unusable, add:
R2 <>
R3 #
R4 \|
F J with bars
These are fair points, I'll see if I can get the additions made and added to the alpha set.
thank you! and good luck :thumb:
Post by: cjt9000 on Tue, 22 January 2019, 19:33:47
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 23 January 2019, 10:40:56
interested...
Well thats awesome, really happy to hear that. Stay tuned for pricing soon! Currently in talks with GMK to lock that in. Might be working on some artisans behind the scenes...
Oh!! I can't wait to see what artisans you have to offer! :eek:
Well the first concepts are live! More to come soon.
Post by: leexy on Thu, 24 January 2019, 08:55:11
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Post by: oldcat on Fri, 25 January 2019, 13:46:03
This will definitely be my first keycap set groupbuy! Love the colors. Like Hyperfuse and Necro best features combined.
Yeah
Post by: Hisui on Fri, 01 February 2019, 13:48:10
This will definitely be my first keycap set groupbuy! Love the colors. Like Hyperfuse and Necro best features combined.
Same! Going to be splitting kits with my bf!
Post by: chakkii on Sat, 09 February 2019, 12:46:59
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Post by: HerrGartenzwerg on Sun, 10 February 2019, 10:27:59
Always appreciated to see some Euro/German Kits :thumb:
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 12 February 2019, 23:20:34
The only question now is: when will this be available and with which vendors
In the near future! I'm finalizing talks with regional vendors outside the US and keylabskeycaps.com will be the US vendor.
Hope this helps :)
Post by: vicissitude on Wed, 13 February 2019, 09:19:57
Grey-blue isn't easy to catch.
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Post by: chakkii on Mon, 18 March 2019, 19:13:14
The only question now is: when will this be available and with which vendors
In the near future! I'm finalizing talks with regional vendors outside the US and keylabskeycaps.com will be the US vendor.
Hope this helps :)
Any possibility to include another international kit with the alternative alpha kit color? That dark blue with green turquoise looks amazing, but international kit is only in grey :(
Post by: vicissitude on Mon, 18 March 2019, 20:15:22
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Post by: kconfire on Thu, 28 March 2019, 15:36:26
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 28 March 2019, 17:10:06
The only question now is: when will this be available and with which vendors
Right now we're looking at around June. Its a little tough right now due to the amount of GMK sets on the market but thats a pretty solid ballpark.
Looking at Keylabs, Candy Keys, Daily Clack and Zfrontier as the vendors
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 28 March 2019, 17:11:58
oh wow this is a beautiful set. Any possibility to get the Alternative Alphas Set for EURO as well? I much prefer the Alternative Alphas colors than the grey ones of the EURO Kit :)
So the euro kit combined with the newest version of the Alpha kit should be compatible with most european setups.
Post by: sagadoi on Sat, 06 April 2019, 03:15:47
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 16 April 2019, 09:28:06
any update now?
Yeah actually! A pretty big one, been working behind the scenes to figure out the remaining details but here we go! GB DATE june 4th!
Post by: kconfire on Tue, 16 April 2019, 12:27:28
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 16 April 2019, 12:40:50
Still quite some time left until GB but excited!
Yeah there is a bit of time left for sure, but I wanted to give us some time to sort out the details with deskpads, cables and the artisans.
Post by: nasp on Tue, 16 April 2019, 18:56:27
This is an excellent kit so I hope Oblivion doesn't take too much of the spotlight.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 16 April 2019, 22:21:22
Looks like you'll be going to toe-to-toe with GMK Oblivion. Good Luck.
This is an excellent kit so I hope Oblivion doesn't take too much of the spotlight.
Although I do like Oblivion, the pretty different feel of the set maybe caters to a different audience. I believe it is going to be launched on massdrop as the single source. I wish them the best of luck with their launch, very well designed kit.
Post by: mta on Tue, 16 April 2019, 22:28:39
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 17 April 2019, 22:28:13
Post by: Rensuya on Wed, 17 April 2019, 22:30:58
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 18 April 2019, 00:06:10
New renders make me reconsider getting this! I just wish the numpad had the sub legends removed. It looks so much nicer that way imo. GL with GB :thumb:
Hey thanks! Big fan of your set as well, really great stuff. I'd like to pick one up if I can budget for it. Good luck to you too.
Haha thanks for the input, I'm a little more partial to the subs myself so I made the call earlier on to leave them in, but thats just me
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 18 April 2019, 08:37:39
New renders make me reconsider getting this! I just wish the numpad had the sub legends removed. It looks so much nicer that way imo. GL with GB :thumb:
Hey thanks! Big fan of your set as well, really great stuff. I'd like to pick one up if I can budget for it. Good luck to you too.
Haha thanks for the input, I'm a little more partial to the subs myself so I made the call earlier on to leave them in, but thats just me
Have you considered "fancy" number pad legends, like what is on GMK Minimal, instead of the standard ones? I feel like it gives that part of the keyboard a more refined look.
Post by: Rensuya on Thu, 18 April 2019, 16:49:18
Thank you, I'm glad you liked it. Fellow blues have to stick together haha.New renders make me reconsider getting this! I just wish the numpad had the sub legends removed. It looks so much nicer that way imo. GL with GB :thumb:
Hey thanks! Big fan of your set as well, really great stuff. I'd like to pick one up if I can budget for it. Good luck to you too.
Haha thanks for the input, I'm a little more partial to the subs myself so I made the call earlier on to leave them in, but thats just me
I can appreciate wanting to stick to the legends and icons how they are, everyone has different tastes. Even if they stay the same I'll most likely be joining :)
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Post by: CarlQs on Thu, 18 April 2019, 17:21:57
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Fri, 19 April 2019, 11:47:59
Are the dark alphas closer to the rich dark colors of the renders or the most pastel colors of the gmk pictures?
So realistically they should be a little closer to the top renders. The artist said in his experience the lighting he used is practically more realistic to the final product, but of course, they are digital renders based on pantone colors, which appear differently on different mediums so there is always some flux. I'm waiting on pantone chips soon, so hopefully that will help, but we'll see.
Post by: biothermal on Fri, 19 April 2019, 16:28:12
(https://i.imgur.com/EPaXJYF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OX5zSN7.jpg)
I was surprised how different some of the colors ended up looking (e.g. 3258 vs. 333) but I think that it might be quite hard to tell in person. I think by mixing some of the kits together you could still end up with some pretty nice looking results!
Post by: Emir on Fri, 19 April 2019, 16:58:19
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Fri, 19 April 2019, 21:26:03
I saw the latest update and thought that with the GB in sight, it would be nice to see what the color combinations of Metropolis and Hammerhead would look like next to each other, so I mocked up a little comparison in PS. (Pardon my rudimentary graphic design :-X)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EPaXJYF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OX5zSN7.jpg)
I was surprised how different some of the colors ended up looking (e.g. 3258 vs. 333) but I think that it might be quite hard to tell in person. I think by mixing some of the kits together you could still end up with some pretty nice looking results!
This is really cool actually, solid work! Honestly I would probably want to hold both kits in my hands to see how well they gel together but up until this point I hadn't really considered mixing them. Could end up looking really cool though.
Post by: haingo1094 on Fri, 19 April 2019, 21:51:32
Post by: biothermal on Sat, 20 April 2019, 11:04:34
I saw the latest update and thought that with the GB in sight, it would be nice to see what the color combinations of Metropolis and Hammerhead would look like next to each other, so I mocked up a little comparison in PS. (Pardon my rudimentary graphic design :-X)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/EPaXJYF.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/OX5zSN7.jpg)
I was surprised how different some of the colors ended up looking (e.g. 3258 vs. 333) but I think that it might be quite hard to tell in person. I think by mixing some of the kits together you could still end up with some pretty nice looking results!
This is really cool actually, solid work! Honestly I would probably want to hold both kits in my hands to see how well they gel together but up until this point I hadn't really considered mixing them. Could end up looking really cool though.
Thanks! I agree that this is definitely a long ways away from being an accurate comparison, but regardless I am always a fan of mixing up different sets, and think that these two could mesh together in some really interesting ways!
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 20 April 2019, 13:59:35
Is there any chance to make "alternative Alpha kit" become the main base set and Alpha in the base set become " Alternative kit"?
You know, I had seriously considered this earlier on. But from my perspective, I do love the original alphas and there are just a lot of sets that have the dark/cyan/teal combo already that I really wanted to try and do something a little different. Hopefully that makes some sense, I'm still putting some thought into it though as we continue moving forward.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 02 May 2019, 10:51:24
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
Post by: KevlarBear on Thu, 02 May 2019, 12:52:26
Probably way too late for this, but the accent arrows and WASD keys are really not necessary in a base kit and probably drive up price quite a bit. This is like the bad old days of GMK group buys and I don't think anyone misses that. Have you considered moving these into a separate kit?
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
I agree with this, I feel like there is too much cross contamination of kits going on. How about simplifying things to something like this?
Core
(https://i.imgur.com/8Hkytmm.png)
Added
2378 Enter (New key)
2378 Numpad + (New key)
2378 Numpad Enter (New key)
536 6.25u Spacebar (From Space)
536 7u Spacebar (From Space)
2378 R1 Esc (From Novelties)
Removed
533 R2 Minus (To Alpha)
533 R3 Plus (To Alpha)
533 Numpad + (To Alpha)
533 Numpad Enter (To Alpha)
533 Enter (To Alpha)
533 Arrow Cluster (To Alpha)
533 Esc (To Alpha)
533 WASD (Already in Alpha)
533 6.25u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 7u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 6u off-centered spacebar (To Space)
ISO (To Euro)
Novelties
(https://imgur.com/hkvH14S.png)
Added
-
Removed
2378 R1 Esc (To Core)
Alphas
(https://imgur.com/3bah65R.png)
Added
533 R1 Esc (From Core)
533 Numpad + (From Core)
533 Numpad Enter (From Core)
533 Arrow cluster (From Core)
533 Enter (From Core)
533 6.25u Spacebar (From Core)
533 7u Spacebar (From Core)
Removed
-
Euro
(https://imgur.com/x46fKuJ.png)
Added
ISO (From Core)
Removed
-
Space
(https://imgur.com/XjK6MjF.png)
Added
533 6u off-center spacebar (From Core)
Removed
536 6.25u spacebar (To Core)
536 7u spacebar (To Core)
Post by: upas on Thu, 02 May 2019, 13:02:48
AgreeI agree with tex and Kevlarbear.
As it stands, I probably wouldn't buy this kit.
With KevlarBear's kits, I'd probably join.
Post by: Starston3 on Thu, 02 May 2019, 14:00:50
it seems like a needless huge base kit and drives up cost. Especially now that we are seeing sets priced at the $125-135 at the MOQ of 500.
Another odd choice I see is that this is being self run instead of going with an established vendor, at least in the US. This might dissuade people from joining as they might not be familiar with KeyLabs.
Post by: /wolfy on Sun, 05 May 2019, 06:46:04
And there are some questions and wishes.
I want to send some of the ROW1 keys out of the novelty to ROW2 for Nautilus of the League of Legends. (QWER)
For the 65 array, one or two ROW3 1u novelty are also required.
And what is the key that looks like the buttocks of that monkey?
:D
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 05 May 2019, 19:25:46
And what is the key that looks like the buttocks of that monkey?
:)) I think it's a shark jaw: https://boneclones.com/images/store-product/product-1820-main-main-big-1416437759.jpg
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 06 May 2019, 08:25:38
AgreeProbably way too late for this, but the accent arrows and WASD keys are really not necessary in a base kit and probably drive up price quite a bit. This is like the bad old days of GMK group buys and I don't think anyone misses that. Have you considered moving these into a separate kit?
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
I agree with this, I feel like there is too much cross contamination of kits going on. How about simplifying things to something like this?
CoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Hkytmm.png)
Added
2378 Enter (New key)
2378 Numpad + (New key)
2378 Numpad Enter (New key)
536 6.25u Spacebar (From Space)
536 7u Spacebar (From Space)
2378 R1 Esc (From Novelties)
Removed
533 R2 Minus (To Alpha)
533 R3 Plus (To Alpha)
533 Numpad + (To Alpha)
533 Numpad Enter (To Alpha)
533 Enter (To Alpha)
533 Arrow Cluster (To Alpha)
533 Esc (To Alpha)
533 WASD (Already in Alpha)
533 6.25u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 7u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 6u off-centered spacebar (To Space)
ISO (To Euro)
NoveltiesShow Image(https://imgur.com/hkvH14S.png)
Added
-
Removed
2378 R1 Esc (To Core)
AlphasShow Image(https://imgur.com/3bah65R.png)
Added
533 R1 Esc (From Core)
533 Numpad + (From Core)
533 Numpad Enter (From Core)
533 Arrow cluster (From Core)
533 Enter (From Core)
533 6.25u Spacebar (From Core)
533 7u Spacebar (From Core)
Removed
-
EuroShow Image(https://imgur.com/x46fKuJ.png)
Added
ISO (From Core)
Removed
-
SpaceShow Image(https://imgur.com/XjK6MjF.png)
Added
533 6u off-center spacebar (From Core)
Removed
536 6.25u spacebar (To Core)
536 7u spacebar (To Core)
These are absolutely valid concerns to be sure, and I’ll be taking a look at what I can do over the next two weeks or so to bring down the costs a little. It looks right now that the set will debut right around $150 for the core and hopefully a little less in the US at 250 units and then going down at 500, 1000 etc. ideally if the set reaches 500 the price point should be right around 140 or a little less for the US.
What I can say for sure right now, is that I’m working to offer a complete alternative core set featuring the alternative alphas. This way, those interested in just the alt alphas have the option of picking up a set featuring those for a lot less than is currently possible. I’ll see what else I can finagle with the pricing.
Thanks for the work putting together those kit suggestions, I’ll look at them a little more closely when I have a minute (currently traveling the next few days) I just wanted to mention that I’m taking the feedback in stride.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Fri, 10 May 2019, 12:22:27
Post by: nasp on Fri, 10 May 2019, 15:47:03
Others have more experience watching this community than I do. That said, I worry splitting to two high price base kits when you're going to overlap with GMK Oblivion round 2 (with leaner kits and price drops) is how MOQ isn't reached on either. I hope I'm wrong, I like this set.
And now it appears that GMK Olive will also be in June.
I have to agree with IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES above. You may just be splitting your audience, and thus your numbers. Just one base kit streamlines everyone into 1 kit, which will allow for a much easier time hitting MOQ. Perhaps offer the alternative alpha set during RD2 of GMK Hammerhead?
Lastly, I know it's nice to cater to the Euro folks, but what's the reasoning for not offering the minimum ISO compat in the base kit? Even the big name Europeans like Oblotzky and Zambumon don't have their separate ISO kits reach MOQ. When that kit doesn't make MOQ, you'll likely lose those folks from your base kit too. Trying to provide some constructive feedback; that is all. Good luck :thumb:
Post by: vicissitude on Fri, 10 May 2019, 18:00:25
So happy to hear the GB date.
Love it.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 11 May 2019, 02:58:11
Others have more experience watching this community than I do. That said, I worry splitting to two high price base kits when you're going to overlap with GMK Oblivion round 2 (with leaner kits and price drops) is how MOQ isn't reached on either. I hope I'm wrong, I like this set.
And now it appears that GMK Olive will also be in June.
I have to agree with IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES above. You may just be splitting your audience, and thus your numbers. Just one base kit streamlines everyone into 1 kit, which will allow for a much easier time hitting MOQ. Perhaps offer the alternative alpha set during RD2 of GMK Hammerhead?
Lastly, I know it's nice to cater to the Euro folks, but what's the reasoning for not offering the minimum ISO compat in the base kit? Even the big name Europeans like Oblotzky and Zambumon don't have their separate ISO kits reach MOQ. When that kit doesn't make MOQ, you'll likely lose those folks from your base kit too. Trying to provide some constructive feedback; that is all. Good luck :thumb:
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.
I appreciate the feedback for sure, it’s difficult to make the decision what to add into the kit however, at this point projections are looking good across the board as far as reaching MOQ on the ISO kit.
Post by: Nivengoh on Sat, 11 May 2019, 11:58:51
Would definitely love to get the Deep Water kit + Novelties, ideally would be nice to have it price around 40 if possible as most are around that price point such as GMK Laser.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 11 May 2019, 12:28:43
Just saw the new update Deep Water kit, this is a very nice touch as suggested by others. IMO i actually like this a lot more over the original design, especially seeing how the official GMK renders turn out.
Would definitely love to get the Deep Water kit + Novelties, ideally would be nice to have it price around 40 if possible as most are around that price point such as GMK Laser.
Thanks for the kind words! I appreciate it, just to give you a little bit of an idea, the novelty kit will be priced a little higher than those kits due to the fact that the kit is large and includes quite a bit of caps requiring custom molds
Post by: PiotrMKG on Sat, 11 May 2019, 12:36:23
Post by: nasp on Sat, 11 May 2019, 13:07:46
Others have more experience watching this community than I do. That said, I worry splitting to two high price base kits when you're going to overlap with GMK Oblivion round 2 (with leaner kits and price drops) is how MOQ isn't reached on either. I hope I'm wrong, I like this set.
And now it appears that GMK Olive will also be in June.
I have to agree with IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES above. You may just be splitting your audience, and thus your numbers. Just one base kit streamlines everyone into 1 kit, which will allow for a much easier time hitting MOQ. Perhaps offer the alternative alpha set during RD2 of GMK Hammerhead?
Lastly, I know it's nice to cater to the Euro folks, but what's the reasoning for not offering the minimum ISO compat in the base kit? Even the big name Europeans like Oblotzky and Zambumon don't have their separate ISO kits reach MOQ. When that kit doesn't make MOQ, you'll likely lose those folks from your base kit too. Trying to provide some constructive feedback; that is all. Good luck :thumb:
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.
I appreciate the feedback for sure, it’s difficult to make the decision what to add into the kit however, at this point projections are looking good across the board as far as reaching MOQ on the ISO kit.
Glad to hear that MOQ is only 100 for the Deepwater base kit. Hope you have much success. It is one of the more beautiful sets for sure.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sat, 11 May 2019, 13:37:25
Hammerhead is one of my favorite novelties sets of all time, I'm ready to help.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sat, 11 May 2019, 13:57:23
AgreeProbably way too late for this, but the accent arrows and WASD keys are really not necessary in a base kit and probably drive up price quite a bit. This is like the bad old days of GMK group buys and I don't think anyone misses that. Have you considered moving these into a separate kit?
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
I agree with this, I feel like there is too much cross contamination of kits going on. How about simplifying things to something like this?
CoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Hkytmm.png)
Added
2378 Enter (New key)
2378 Numpad + (New key)
2378 Numpad Enter (New key)
536 6.25u Spacebar (From Space)
536 7u Spacebar (From Space)
2378 R1 Esc (From Novelties)
Removed
533 R2 Minus (To Alpha)
533 R3 Plus (To Alpha)
533 Numpad + (To Alpha)
533 Numpad Enter (To Alpha)
533 Enter (To Alpha)
533 Arrow Cluster (To Alpha)
533 Esc (To Alpha)
533 WASD (Already in Alpha)
533 6.25u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 7u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 6u off-centered spacebar (To Space)
ISO (To Euro)
NoveltiesShow Image(https://imgur.com/hkvH14S.png)
Added
-
Removed
2378 R1 Esc (To Core)
AlphasShow Image(https://imgur.com/3bah65R.png)
Added
533 R1 Esc (From Core)
533 Numpad + (From Core)
533 Numpad Enter (From Core)
533 Arrow cluster (From Core)
533 Enter (From Core)
533 6.25u Spacebar (From Core)
533 7u Spacebar (From Core)
Removed
-
EuroShow Image(https://imgur.com/x46fKuJ.png)
Added
ISO (From Core)
Removed
-
SpaceShow Image(https://imgur.com/XjK6MjF.png)
Added
533 6u off-center spacebar (From Core)
Removed
536 6.25u spacebar (To Core)
536 7u spacebar (To Core)
These are absolutely valid concerns to be sure, and I’ll be taking a look at what I can do over the next two weeks or so to bring down the costs a little. It looks right now that the set will debut right around $150 for the core and hopefully a little less in the US at 250 units and then going down at 500, 1000 etc. ideally if the set reaches 500 the price point should be right around 140 or a little less for the US.
What I can say for sure right now, is that I’m working to offer a complete alternative core set featuring the alternative alphas. This way, those interested in just the alt alphas have the option of picking up a set featuring those for a lot less than is currently possible. I’ll see what else I can finagle with the pricing.
Thanks for the work putting together those kit suggestions, I’ll look at them a little more closely when I have a minute (currently traveling the next few days) I just wanted to mention that I’m taking the feedback in stride.
I second these kit recommendations. You will be competing with two very hype sets, one of which has a lot of kits and will be sucking a lot from peoples wallets. It's worth getting it right so that at least the base kit makes MOQ.
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 12 May 2019, 02:04:41
Post by: sevenseacat on Sun, 12 May 2019, 02:30:43
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 12 May 2019, 04:15:11
I was interested in the Deep Water kit, but since i am a ISO user, splitting the ISO kit means you also have to provide a Deep Water ISO kit... Having the ISO provided in the base kit (like most other GMK group buys such as Mizu) did make a lot of sense.
Unless I’m mistaken, the Deep Water kit does include ISO by default. The enter is in the medium blue mod color rather than the alpha.
Post by: Furikurichemy on Sun, 12 May 2019, 05:58:44
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 12 May 2019, 06:06:16
I was interested in the Deep Water kit, but since i am a ISO user, splitting the ISO kit means you also have to provide a Deep Water ISO kit... Having the ISO provided in the base kit (like most other GMK group buys such as Mizu) did make a lot of sense.
Unless I’m mistaken, the Deep Water kit does include ISO by default. The enter is in the medium blue mod color rather than the alpha.
Both kits in the OP include ISO-UK keys.
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 12 May 2019, 10:28:21
Post by: MX on Sun, 12 May 2019, 10:28:57
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 12 May 2019, 11:25:21
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.As someone who fell in love with the Deep Water kit, I just want to say thank you for your considerations! :thumb:
I REALLY loathe the notion that I'd have to buy 2 kits only to throw away all the Core alpha keys just so that I can have a complete Deep Water kit (and I don't think anyone on r/mechmarket will buy just those Core alphas from me either).
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 12 May 2019, 13:30:15
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.As someone who fell in love with the Deep Water kit, I just want to say thank you for your considerations! :thumb:
I REALLY loathe the notion that I'd have to buy 2 kits only to throw away all the Core alpha keys just so that I can have a complete Deep Water kit (and I don't think anyone on r/mechmarket will buy just those Core alphas from me either).
I can absolutely see where you're coming from. And although I personally love the OG core, I could tell that a lot of people were in the same boat. Which is totally fine, each version caters to a slightly different flavor profile but still holds strong to the theme. The fact that GMK gave us 100 MOQ on the set is what I'm excited about.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Sun, 12 May 2019, 18:30:23
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.As someone who fell in love with the Deep Water kit, I just want to say thank you for your considerations! :thumb:
I REALLY loathe the notion that I'd have to buy 2 kits only to throw away all the Core alpha keys just so that I can have a complete Deep Water kit (and I don't think anyone on r/mechmarket will buy just those Core alphas from me either).
You'd be surprised. It will take a while and you might have to mark it down, but someone will probably buy it eventually.
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Sun, 12 May 2019, 18:33:47
Post by: chakkii on Mon, 13 May 2019, 21:56:43
Post by: Solotov on Tue, 14 May 2019, 05:05:01
If you make Deepwater kit monotone, that would be an instant yes for me..
Post by: norb on Tue, 14 May 2019, 11:34:32
happy to see there's a complete deepwater kit with iso support, i'm totally in now. looking forward to the deskmat designs!
Post by: cjt9000 on Tue, 14 May 2019, 16:47:26
AgreeProbably way too late for this, but the accent arrows and WASD keys are really not necessary in a base kit and probably drive up price quite a bit. This is like the bad old days of GMK group buys and I don't think anyone misses that. Have you considered moving these into a separate kit?
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
I agree with this, I feel like there is too much cross contamination of kits going on. How about simplifying things to something like this?
CoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Hkytmm.png)
Added
2378 Enter (New key)
2378 Numpad + (New key)
2378 Numpad Enter (New key)
536 6.25u Spacebar (From Space)
536 7u Spacebar (From Space)
2378 R1 Esc (From Novelties)
Removed
533 R2 Minus (To Alpha)
533 R3 Plus (To Alpha)
533 Numpad + (To Alpha)
533 Numpad Enter (To Alpha)
533 Enter (To Alpha)
533 Arrow Cluster (To Alpha)
533 Esc (To Alpha)
533 WASD (Already in Alpha)
533 6.25u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 7u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 6u off-centered spacebar (To Space)
ISO (To Euro)
NoveltiesShow Image(https://imgur.com/hkvH14S.png)
Added
-
Removed
2378 R1 Esc (To Core)
AlphasShow Image(https://imgur.com/3bah65R.png)
Added
533 R1 Esc (From Core)
533 Numpad + (From Core)
533 Numpad Enter (From Core)
533 Arrow cluster (From Core)
533 Enter (From Core)
533 6.25u Spacebar (From Core)
533 7u Spacebar (From Core)
Removed
-
EuroShow Image(https://imgur.com/x46fKuJ.png)
Added
ISO (From Core)
Removed
-
SpaceShow Image(https://imgur.com/XjK6MjF.png)
Added
533 6u off-center spacebar (From Core)
Removed
536 6.25u spacebar (To Core)
536 7u spacebar (To Core)
Those are sooooo much better OMG. The accent color spacebar in the core kit is maddening, and the gamer keys... :confused:
I could see this set doing well with your kit structure, but tbh I don't think it'll work with the original structure.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 14 May 2019, 17:09:19
AgreeProbably way too late for this, but the accent arrows and WASD keys are really not necessary in a base kit and probably drive up price quite a bit. This is like the bad old days of GMK group buys and I don't think anyone misses that. Have you considered moving these into a separate kit?
Edit: This might have a hard time with MOQ at this price and size given how many kits are running right now. I'd be more inclined to buy if it were smaller and cheaper.
Edit 2: also accent spacebars in base kit with alpha color spacebars in the separate kit .... no. I love this colorway but I'm not paying $300+ to get a sane, normal, standard kit that includes a ton of caps I don't need. This didn't work for DMG and it shouldn't work here almost on principle.
I agree with this, I feel like there is too much cross contamination of kits going on. How about simplifying things to something like this?
CoreShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/8Hkytmm.png)
Added
2378 Enter (New key)
2378 Numpad + (New key)
2378 Numpad Enter (New key)
536 6.25u Spacebar (From Space)
536 7u Spacebar (From Space)
2378 R1 Esc (From Novelties)
Removed
533 R2 Minus (To Alpha)
533 R3 Plus (To Alpha)
533 Numpad + (To Alpha)
533 Numpad Enter (To Alpha)
533 Enter (To Alpha)
533 Arrow Cluster (To Alpha)
533 Esc (To Alpha)
533 WASD (Already in Alpha)
533 6.25u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 7u Spacebar (To Alpha)
533 6u off-centered spacebar (To Space)
ISO (To Euro)
NoveltiesShow Image(https://imgur.com/hkvH14S.png)
Added
-
Removed
2378 R1 Esc (To Core)
AlphasShow Image(https://imgur.com/3bah65R.png)
Added
533 R1 Esc (From Core)
533 Numpad + (From Core)
533 Numpad Enter (From Core)
533 Arrow cluster (From Core)
533 Enter (From Core)
533 6.25u Spacebar (From Core)
533 7u Spacebar (From Core)
Removed
-
EuroShow Image(https://imgur.com/x46fKuJ.png)
Added
ISO (From Core)
Removed
-
SpaceShow Image(https://imgur.com/XjK6MjF.png)
Added
533 6u off-center spacebar (From Core)
Removed
536 6.25u spacebar (To Core)
536 7u spacebar (To Core)
Those are sooooo much better OMG. The accent color spacebar in the core kit is maddening, and the gamer keys... :confused:
I could see this set doing well with your kit structure, but tbh I don't think it'll work with the original structure.
I can confirm that the gamer WASD keys have been scrapped, alpha colored spacebars have been added to the core and deep water kits and teal spacebars have been added to the spacebar kit and some other minor substitutions have been made. With those changes, I’m pretty happy with the results. The nice thing is I’m able to keep the larger kit while still being very close if not the same price range as smaller kits due to the fact I’m acting as the designer and using our store as the main vendor. Even with this size we’re looking at close to or at $140 for the US purchases of the main kits
Post by: KevlarBear on Tue, 14 May 2019, 17:24:47
I can confirm that the gamer WASD keys have been scrapped, alpha colored spacebars have been added to the core and deep water kits and teal spacebars have been added to the spacebar kit and some other minor substitutions have been made. With those changes, I’m pretty happy with the results. The nice thing is I’m able to keep the larger kit while still being very close if not the same price range as smaller kits due to the fact I’m acting as the designer and using our store as the main vendor. Even with this size we’re looking at close to or at $140 for the US purchases of the main kits
Glad to hear it and happy to see that some of my suggestions were taken into consideration. I'm in for a deep water kit for sure!
Post by: Moridin on Wed, 15 May 2019, 06:11:15
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 15 May 2019, 06:23:49
Will we get the keys above Tab and Enter in mod color too? That’s a dealbreaker for me.
I’ll contact GMK again and double check that those are changed in the final renders
Edit: Those keys are included in the kit, they however are below and not in the main portion, I’ll see if I can have them switched.
Post by: Surefoot on Wed, 15 May 2019, 11:30:55
Post by: tskiller on Wed, 15 May 2019, 13:33:39
Also what exactly is in the base kits? Are the opposite color WASDs in your original render not part of this anymore either? If there is euro child why is iso enter in base kit? 140$ is too expensive for a base kit.
Love the colors, but the kit choices may make this no go for me.
Post by: TuCZnak on Wed, 15 May 2019, 14:32:36
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 15 May 2019, 14:49:56
The way these kits are organized is super frustrating. If I want both alphas, I have to rebuy all of the mods and extra caps?
Also what exactly is in the base kits? Are the opposite color WASDs in your original render not part of this anymore either? If there is euro child why is iso enter in base kit? 140$ is too expensive for a base kit.
Love the colors, but the kit choices may make this no go for me.
I can confirm that the gamer WASD keys have been scrapped...(This is a good change, I did feel that they were unnecessary.)
ISO enter in base kit is standard mod colour, whereas the one in child kit is accented.
$140 really isn't that high for a GMK base kit with this much compat imo - I'm very glad to have ISO UK support in the base kit, which is something that's constantly cut out nowadays. The way this base kit is done is against the current trend, but personally I prefer it this way.
That said, I agree that the main post should be kept up to date with the current plan - I presume renders for that are in the works.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 15 May 2019, 16:43:49
Not sure what's more confusing, this thread or the kits themselves. Please re-render so that your images reflect the current state of the kits, you got a nice colorway but I have no idea what's going on in this IC
Renders are provided officially by GMK. I unfortunately am at the whim of their design team as they are quite busy in their availability to work on renders. Right now, I work with what I can to to post to this thread to keep people updated who routinely check back on discussion and are curious about the last changes, but I will update the kits in full the second I get the renders.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:23:12
$140 really isn't that high for a GMK base kit with this much compat imo - I'm very glad to have ISO UK support in the base kit, which is something that's constantly cut out nowadays. The way this base kit is done is against the current trend, but personally I prefer it this way.
I don't think anyone is asking for it to be removed. But with so many sets running at $120 it gets hard to swallow a $140 base kit with some oddball color choices (which seem to be resolved now).
Post by: tskiller on Wed, 15 May 2019, 17:48:30
I wouldn't mind needing to buy just the teal alphas, I get that not everyone wants off color WASD. however, needing to buy a duplicate base kit (that is already IMO too expensive) is too much.
Your render is pretty much the reason I'm interested in this set, but in order to replicate it I'm looking at two base kits a space kit, and novelties. Best case scenario thats 280+ whatever the cost of the spacebar and novelty kits. And I wont use 75% of those caps because they are dupes or for an uncommon compatability use case.
That's kind of a raw deal.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 15 May 2019, 22:06:49
My biggest disapointment is that it seems in order to replicate the same color setup that has been in every single render posted so far, not only would I need to buy a second alpha set, I need to buy duplicates of every single mod as well, and maybe the sapcebar addon, too. It's not clear to me if the teal spacebar is in the base kit or not.
I wouldn't mind needing to buy just the teal alphas, I get that not everyone wants off color WASD. however, needing to buy a duplicate base kit (that is already IMO too expensive) is too much.
Your render is pretty much the reason I'm interested in this set, but in order to replicate it I'm looking at two base kits a space kit, and novelties. Best case scenario thats 280+ whatever the cost of the spacebar and novelty kits. And I wont use 75% of those caps because they are dupes or for an uncommon compatability use case.
That's kind of a raw deal.
Frankly this is what IC polls are supposed to be for -- to gauge interest for different kit elements.
That said, yes, $140 isn't bad at all for a base kit. But it was lacking what most people would consider a "normal" layout. You have a very specific and unusual set in mind; that should cost extra. Everyone else wanting a regular damn keyset shouldn't be paying that $280 just so you can have your specific preference met.
After thinking about this some more, if adding those "normal layout keys" (without taking out the various unusual keys) brings it up to $150 or $160, that's fine with me as well -- that's still on par with "big" sets like DMG and Terminal R2, and it's still quite a bit cheaper for the typical buyer.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 16 May 2019, 02:09:40
Your render is pretty much the reason I'm interested in this set, but in order to replicate it I'm looking at two base kits a space kit, and novelties. Best case scenario thats 280+ whatever the cost of the spacebar and novelty kits. And I wont use 75% of those caps because they are dupes or for an uncommon compatability use case.
That's kind of a raw deal.
Are you referring to the RAMA board renders? Each of those was commissioned to represent a single base kit and possibly a novelty set if that’s something you’re interested in. The WASD wasn't popular enough to merit its existence, and although I like it, there has been quite a bit of feedback in the forms suggesting it won't be used in most cases.
Post by: ikno on Thu, 16 May 2019, 05:55:13
I specifically joined the GMK blanks GB so I could combine it on an ortho board.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 16 May 2019, 07:01:52
Ah this is unfortunate. I was hoping to just pick up the deep water alpha's.
I specifically joined the GMK blanks GB so I could combine it on an ortho board.
Ahh I’m sorry to hear that, unfortunately I didn’t think it was likely to hit the MOQ on just the alphas if there was a full kit available. However, I plan on picking up at least one of everything myself, and if you’re still interested when the time comes, I’d be happy to part with a set of alphas myself
Post by: ikno on Thu, 16 May 2019, 07:46:31
Ah this is unfortunate. I was hoping to just pick up the deep water alpha's.
I specifically joined the GMK blanks GB so I could combine it on an ortho board.
Ahh I’m sorry to hear that, unfortunately I didn’t think it was likely to hit the MOQ on just the alphas if there was a full kit available. However, I plan on picking up at least one of everything myself, and if you’re still interested when the time comes, I’d be happy to part with a set of alphas myself
That would be awesome. Really like the Deepwater alpha's and was looking forward to this GB.
Good luck with the GB an I'll keep an eye on it to see how things progress.
Post by: slimydog on Thu, 16 May 2019, 12:31:20
Post by: sagadoi on Fri, 17 May 2019, 10:32:44
Hope every kit reach moq.
Post by: norb on Fri, 17 May 2019, 18:43:59
Post by: chakkii on Fri, 17 May 2019, 20:17:26
Post by: Faust_ on Sun, 19 May 2019, 03:14:29
Post by: Dakk1d on Sun, 19 May 2019, 09:26:49
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 19 May 2019, 17:37:50
any chance we can have a look at the deskmat designs? or will they be first released when the gb starts?
(https://i.imgur.com/Mx8FQFI.jpg)
Post by: skmn on Tue, 21 May 2019, 13:37:18
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 21 May 2019, 14:31:35
One big question still: why have 6u (very rare) in base, but have 7u (increasingly common, arguably standard in high-end customs nowadays) in spacebar kit? That should probably be swapped.
Post by: KevlarBear on Tue, 21 May 2019, 14:35:34
New kits look much nicer.
One big question still: why have 6u (very rare) in base, but have 7u (increasingly common, arguably standard in high-end customs nowadays) in spacebar kit? That should probably be swapped.
Agreed, it would make more sense to move the rare/split/accent spacebars to the spacebar kit and put the 6.25u and 7u bars with with their respective alpha kits. Also probably worth considering removing that mod colored Esc from the novelties and adding it to each of the kits so if you just want the mods to match you don't need to get the novelties for just one key. Also, why have a 536C spacebar in the deep water kit?
Post by: cjt9000 on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:33:20
Post by: clik_clak on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:38:59
Please please please delay this GB, and take some time to really go over your kit structure. Keeping a 6u space bar in the base but omitting the 7u makes no sense, pushing the modifier colored Esc key to the Novelty kit makes no sense, running a set with two base kits when Olive is about to go live makes no sense. The colorway is wonderful, the novelties are fantastic, but you need to take some time to really go over your kit structure instead of rushing into a Group Buy.
Rushing into GB? Go back and look when this was initially posted...November of last year.
I do think the 7u should be exchanged for the 6u spacebar, but besides that, everything else looks good!
Keeping 2 base sets is fine. This isn't a hobby where you should be expected to buy everything. Hell, there was 10 sets in April alone and this year's showing no signs of slowing down. There's what...4-6 more sets planned for June alone? Delaying anything isn't a solution. Not buying everything is going to be your best solution.
Post by: GarrettSucks on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:39:25
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two base kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
Post by: kolyz on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:41:50
So I usually try not stick my nose in other sets business, but I really like this set, so im going to give my two cents.+1
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two bas kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
Post by: SenseiJia on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:44:46
So I usually try not stick my nose in other sets business, but I really like this set, so im going to give my two cents.Agreed to this.
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two base kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:46:27
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
Agreed on other points, but I think runner has said that the Deep Water kit will have a MOQ of 100 as it's acting as a child kit. I could be misunderstanding of course, so I've quoted below:
So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.
Post by: GarrettSucks on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:50:16
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
Agreed on other points, but I think runner has said that the Deep Water kit will have a MOQ of 100 as it's acting as a child kit. I could be misunderstanding of course, so I've quoted below:So I had actually thought quite a bit about the additional MOQ while working on the separate Deep Water base kit. The only reason I chose this route is that it has no additional MOQ requirement and acts as a child kit when replacing the alt alphas. Since the mods are identical to the main, the MOQ is 100 for the kit. So ideally this secondary kit will better provide to the audience that wants to exclusively rock the alt alphas while offereing them a lower price by quite a lot without raising MOQ requirements.
Oh good info. So IMO that means that just making the other changes suggested could really make this set a strong candidate for a great selling GB.
Post by: cdhoffmann on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:51:51
Post by: Lbibass on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:53:06
1: 40% and ortho in base? That does not make a lot of sense to me, and I use both. Split those into a separate kit.
2: No 7u spacebar in base. That is a dealbreaker.
3: accent esc is in the novelties. No.
I am not gonna say most of what else I want to say, because Dixie already said it.
The base kit is both bloated and morbidly thin. It's missing the basics, while including so many unneeded keys. It makes no sense.
Post by: Seoulcialite on Tue, 21 May 2019, 15:58:47
So I usually try not stick my nose in other sets business, but I really like this set, so im going to give my two cents.
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two base kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
+1
1. Put 7u back in base.
2. Simplify your base and novelties kits. And rethink what you want to include in them.
3. Consider a different date to run the GB.
I really like the color way of set so I would really like to see it succeed.
Post by: Rensuya on Tue, 21 May 2019, 16:02:08
Post by: Vov on Tue, 21 May 2019, 16:05:07
So I usually try not stick my nose in other sets business, but I really like this set, so im going to give my two cents.
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.
1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two base kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
Agreed! I like the set, but I'd like the 7u to be in the base set as well.
Post by: maximize on Tue, 21 May 2019, 16:44:19
Post by: KevlarBear on Tue, 21 May 2019, 16:53:59
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.
Better late than never. Would you have preferred it go out in its current iteration?
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 21 May 2019, 17:12:11
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.
It flew more or less totally under the radar. Recently it got attention in different venues (Reddit and Discord) -- many people are seeing it for the first time.
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 21 May 2019, 20:44:57
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.Because the final kits pending for GB have never been published up until like a few weeks ago. It was out of sudden that the IC was moving towards GB. People were giving inputs because they wanted to support the GB's runner and see another successful GB. Everything is said out of goodwill and I don't think anyone means any harm/attack towards the GB's runner. Garrett is a very well respected veteran of the community. If someone like Garrett drafts out a long, thoughtful suggestion on any IC of mine, I would be damn sure to read twice every single word they have to offer.
I hate beating on a dead horse, but a reconsideration of kits offering might not be a terrible idea. Garrett pretty much nailed everything in the coffin. I want to join, but I personally would love to see some cleanups from the novelties kit and the 7U spacebar offered in the base kit.
Post by: dantambok on Tue, 21 May 2019, 21:25:39
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Post by: RominRonin on Tue, 21 May 2019, 21:46:07
If the price is really as low as $140-150 WITH the 40s set in the base set, that's very attractive (especially when you consider that these are pantone colours, not gmk standard).
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Post by: Solotov on Tue, 21 May 2019, 22:20:18
It seems like you're forcing everyone to buy both base + space kits, and that's not optimal.
Your colorway is really really great. Please don't ruin it by weird key combinations.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 22 May 2019, 00:03:37
While I am in favour of reworking the base kit to support the common, standard keycaps, I am also in favour of keeping the 40% support in addition to this.
If the price is really as low as $140-150 WITH the 40s set in the base set, that's very attractive (especially when you consider that these are pantone colours, not gmk standard).
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I agree with this as well. We don't need a super-slim $120 base kit. People just want standard compatibility.
- 6.25u ANSI
- 7u tsangan
- HHKB
- Stepped caps
- Numpad
- 1800
- 65% / 75%
- Bare-bones ISO-UK
- 40%
If you tick all those boxes for $140, you're doing well IMO. Everything else is bonus and should be treated as such.
Post by: Nivengoh on Wed, 22 May 2019, 00:42:12
So I usually try not stick my nose in other sets business, but I really like this set, so im going to give my two cents.
All of my thoughts are based off my knowledge and experience running many GBs.
Few things that I think are hurting this set.1. Two base kits. Both of these kits will need to hit 250 MOQ *each*. So by making two separate kits, you are hurting yourself by competing with your own set, with your own set. If you really want different alphas, just offer them as a stand alone kit as an add on.It has been brought to my attention that the second base kit only has a 100 MOQ.
2. No 7u spacebar in base, but you have the 1.5u mods that are meant to be used with 7u bottom row. And even more strange, the 6u off centered spacebar was chosen over the 7u, which is basically the second most popular spacebar needed. And even *more* strange is that you only have the accent off centered 6u spacebar in the base and the alphas colored one is in the spacebar kit. Also i believe your split spacebars should be the colors of the main alphas, not the alternate colored ones. But again, this is just showing that having two base kits will possibly hurt everything.
3. You don't have a mod colored Esc key in your base kit. Which is standard. People have to buy the *huge* novelty kit, just to get something that is usually standard. You should swap the Esc keys.
4. Your novelty kit is huge. I don't understand why there are four different skull caps when the set is about the shark. I would suggest narrowing this set down by a lot, in order to avoid it being so expensive that a lot of people back out of buying it, on top of the already huge Base kit.
So basically if someone wants to put this set on their 7u bottom row board with normal color placement, they will have to buy the base, the spacebar for the 7u and then the novelties for the esc key. So they will be spending an outrageous amount of money just to get what every base kit usually has in the base.
And all of this on top of running at the same time as juggernauts, Oblivion and Olive. You need every advantage you can get to compete. And all of these things are doing the opposite.
I like this set a lot and would like to see if succeed. I hope some of this may have helped.
Yep totally agreed with this, i totally didnt realise there isn't a 7u spacebar. It would be extremely disappointing and also a deal breaker if the base core kit doesn't included a 7u spacebar. For so many GMK they came before this 7u spacebar is always 100% included in the base kit, the spacebar add-on kit has always been to cater towards those who needs a split spacebar aka split keyboard and as well as an alternated color option.
Post by: Mekberg on Wed, 22 May 2019, 01:27:13
Post by: apexshikari on Wed, 22 May 2019, 02:36:36
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:29:00
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I agree with this as well. We don't need a super-slim $120 base kit. People just want standard compatibility.
- 6.25u ANSI
- 7u tsangan
- HHKB
- Stepped caps
- Numpad
- 1800
- 65% / 75%
- Bare-bones ISO-UK
- 40%
If you tick all those boxes for $140, you're doing well IMO. Everything else is bonus and should be treated as such.
Appreciate this point. This is the goal I had in creating the core kits and acting as both the vendor and designer of the set left me in the unique position to offer this compatibility at an attractive price.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:31:11
New kits look much nicer.
One big question still: why have 6u (very rare) in base, but have 7u (increasingly common, arguably standard in high-end customs nowadays) in spacebar kit? That should probably be swapped.
Agreed, it would make more sense to move the rare/split/accent spacebars to the spacebar kit and put the 6.25u and 7u bars with with their respective alpha kits. Also probably worth considering removing that mod colored Esc from the novelties and adding it to each of the kits so if you just want the mods to match you don't need to get the novelties for just one key. Also, why have a 536C spacebar in the deep water kit?
Thanks for the feedback. 7u will be added to both kits along with a mod color (2358 c) r1 esc key.
Post by: Moridin on Wed, 22 May 2019, 04:58:05
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Post by: Solotov on Wed, 22 May 2019, 05:00:57
New kits look much nicer.
One big question still: why have 6u (very rare) in base, but have 7u (increasingly common, arguably standard in high-end customs nowadays) in spacebar kit? That should probably be swapped.
Agreed, it would make more sense to move the rare/split/accent spacebars to the spacebar kit and put the 6.25u and 7u bars with with their respective alpha kits. Also probably worth considering removing that mod colored Esc from the novelties and adding it to each of the kits so if you just want the mods to match you don't need to get the novelties for just one key. Also, why have a 536C spacebar in the deep water kit?
Thanks for the feedback. 7u will be added to both kits along with a mod color (2358 c) r1 esc key.
Niceee. Now this is a must join set for me :thumb:
Post by: Gobluebro on Wed, 22 May 2019, 08:09:54
Post by: GarrettSucks on Wed, 22 May 2019, 08:42:34
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 22 May 2019, 09:11:47
Post by: Krakyn on Wed, 22 May 2019, 09:16:10
Post by: Seoulcialite on Wed, 22 May 2019, 09:27:23
Devil's advocate: the accent Enter and Space keys in the base kit look really nice. Are you really gonna want to put the regular one there? :p
Yes. If I want a toned down look. I would like the option to mount my keyboard with single color modifiers keys. Forcing accent keys is usually not a good idea.
Post by: eskimojo on Wed, 22 May 2019, 11:53:01
I think the Pantone colour code for the Deep Water alpha background colour is incorrect. 553 C corresponds to a completely different green colour. However all the other Pantone codes are correct. Do I get a free set for being the first to notice this mistake? /sImage says 533c, not 553c, which is correct (https://www.pantone.com/color-finder/533-C).
(but for real please gimme)
Post by: maximize on Wed, 22 May 2019, 12:53:23
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.
Better late than never. Would you have preferred it go out in its current iteration?
No preference, really. It would have worked for my needs.
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.
It flew more or less totally under the radar. Recently it got attention in different venues (Reddit and Discord) -- many people are seeing it for the first time.
I think the people commenting here likely saw it previously and ignored it instead of giving advice then. I'd bet anyone actually invested in the hobby has read every IC currently posted. :p
Lmao at all the people just showing up now to give input on how to rework the entire set. This has been in IC for six months.Because the final kits pending for GB have never been published up until like a few weeks ago. It was out of sudden that the IC was moving towards GB. People were giving inputs because they wanted to support the GB's runner and see another successful GB. Everything is said out of goodwill and I don't think anyone means any harm/attack towards the GB's runner. Garrett is a very well respected veteran of the community. If someone like Garrett drafts out a long, thoughtful suggestion on any IC of mine, I would be damn sure to read twice every single word they have to offer.
I hate beating on a dead horse, but a reconsideration of kits offering might not be a terrible idea. Garrett pretty much nailed everything in the coffin. I want to join, but I personally would love to see some cleanups from the novelties kit and the 7U spacebar offered in the base kit.
It's fair that it deserves more attention now that the GB is approaching, and the points on kit changes are valid. New critiques at the 11th hour on a 6-month IC would have me a bit miffed if I were running it. But the kit groupings are not too hard to change (as well as being good ideas), so overall not a huge deal.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 22 May 2019, 13:08:01
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It's fair that it deserves more attention now that the GB is approaching, and the points on kit changes are valid. New critiques at the 11th hour on a 6-month IC would have me a bit miffed if I were running it. But the kit groupings are not too hard to change (as well as being good ideas), so overall not a huge deal.
It has certainly not been a stress free process the past few days, I am happy to have the feedback though. I think most people will be happy with the final kits and I’m personally pleased with the state of the kits based on the original concept I had for this first keyset I’ve worked on.
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 22 May 2019, 14:39:32
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 22 May 2019, 14:44:39
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 28 May 2019, 14:41:51
Post by: vicissitude on Tue, 28 May 2019, 15:40:02
Love the hammerhead swimming elegantly in ocean.
Post by: sylves on Sun, 02 June 2019, 21:36:54
Post by: digid3ar on Sun, 02 June 2019, 23:22:47
Post by: petamva on Mon, 03 June 2019, 13:50:06
QuoteIt's fair that it deserves more attention now that the GB is approaching, and the points on kit changes are valid. New critiques at the 11th hour on a 6-month IC would have me a bit miffed if I were running it. But the kit groupings are not too hard to change (as well as being good ideas), so overall not a huge deal.
It has certainly not been a stress free process the past few days, I am happy to have the feedback though. I think most people will be happy with the final kits and I’m personally pleased with the state of the kits based on the original concept I had for this first keyset I’ve worked on.
Is it possible to inc the turquoise spacebar in the deep water edition instead of the light grey one?
Post by: norb on Mon, 03 June 2019, 15:24:28
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 03 June 2019, 21:12:03
i know final kits and all, but the deepwater seems to have a duplicate key, the mod-colored `~ key in the top left. is this beeing corrected?
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Post by: Solotov on Mon, 03 June 2019, 22:15:36
i know final kits and all, but the deepwater seems to have a duplicate key, the mod-colored `~ key in the top left. is this beeing corrected?
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Does this mean the GB will be postponed from June 4th?
Post by: Faust_ on Tue, 04 June 2019, 00:44:13
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 04 June 2019, 02:28:56
(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558001562228883507/585367652424351755/unknown.png)
I'll be picking up core instead of deep water anyway, but found this strange.
Post by: petamva on Tue, 04 June 2019, 03:02:31
If we're doing last minute changes, could this spacebar be made the right colour?I agree. Spacebar should be either mods grey or turquoise.Show Image(https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/558001562228883507/585367652424351755/unknown.png)
I'll be picking up core instead of deep water anyway, but found this strange.
Post by: despairsray on Tue, 04 June 2019, 04:55:29
Post by: Solotov on Tue, 04 June 2019, 05:30:03
This may have already been discussed but is the spare spacebar in the core set 7u? This doesn't seem to be written anywhere so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered. Thanks!
Yes, he said there will be 7u spacebar in base set. Just haven't updated the pictures yet.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 06:03:33
This may have already been discussed but is the spare spacebar in the core set 7u? This doesn't seem to be written anywhere so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered. Thanks!
Yes, he said there will be 7u spacebar in base set. Just haven't updated the pictures yet.
Yes the 7u spacebars in core and deepwater are the bottom left in both kits.
Post by: zzzaacchh on Tue, 04 June 2019, 09:12:58
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 04 June 2019, 09:42:06
(https://i.imgur.com/FECFkfU.jpg)
Seems to only be available in the Deep Water kit, yet this render is mostly Core? And that specific spacebar isn't in the spacebar kit. Was hoping to make my set look like this too, but I don't know if I wanna shell for two base kits just to do so. :(
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:03:36
The darker navy 7u spacebar like in this photo..Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FECFkfU.jpg)
Seems to only be available in the Deep Water kit, yet this render is mostly Core? And that specific spacebar isn't in the spacebar kit. Was hoping to make my set look like this too, but I don't know if I wanna shell for two base kits just to do so. :(
Yes this is true, unfortunately I did have to make some tough calls when putting the final kits together to not drive up kits costs too much. However, if we do happen to exceed expectations I'd be happy to put together a small "stretch goal" kit of several requested keycaps to include as a thanks for the support, but of course, I don't want to get ahead of myself and we'll have to see how the GB goes.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:23:51
This may have already been discussed but is the spare spacebar in the core set 7u? This doesn't seem to be written anywhere so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered. Thanks!
Yes, he said there will be 7u spacebar in base set. Just haven't updated the pictures yet.
Well, it's missing from the GB form as well, without so much as a comment.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:31:13
Is there going to be a GB thread in the GB forum?This may have already been discussed but is the spare spacebar in the core set 7u? This doesn't seem to be written anywhere so I just wanted to make sure before I ordered. Thanks!
Yes, he said there will be 7u spacebar in base set. Just haven't updated the pictures yet.
Well, it's missing from the GB form as well, without so much as a comment.
I am working on the GB thread currently. The images will be updated to label the spacebars to clarify.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:31:56
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Do you have a Discord server? Would be easier to get updates that way!
Yes we do! Here is the link:
https://discord.gg/SptKpNy
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:35:26
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Well, it's missing from the GB form as well, without so much as a comment.
There is no group buy form, only an Interest check form just to clarify any confusion. Group buy entries are available here where all kits are finalized:
https://keylabskeycaps.com/gmk-hammerhead/
Post by: btan57 on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:42:14
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 10:52:57
I'm in for the deep water/ novelties :thumb: I too would have liked to have the turquoise space bar in the set but was never going to stop me! Stretch cool sounds cool. Either way Cheers man!
Hey thanks so much for the gb entry!!
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 04 June 2019, 11:15:47
Post by: eskimojo on Tue, 04 June 2019, 11:18:51
Deep water edition. Why are there two "'~" keys of the same color?
i know final kits and all, but the deepwater seems to have a duplicate key, the mod-colored `~ key in the top left. is this beeing corrected?
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 04 June 2019, 11:54:49
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 12:32:08
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Thanks for this point. The kit sets you see on the GB page are the final versions.
Nothing will be subtracted or changed from the kits on the site. They ship as advertised. If anything is added it will be for free and of no cost to the customer, on our dime, as a separate bonus item.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 04 June 2019, 14:13:25
QuoteWell, it's missing from the GB form as well, without so much as a comment.
There is no group buy form, only an Interest check form just to clarify any confusion. Group buy entries are available here where all kits are finalized:
https://keylabskeycaps.com/gmk-hammerhead/
I literally clicked a link that said "GROUP BUY OPEN HERE" or something like that, and it took me to a Google form. What did I click?
Post by: TuCZnak on Tue, 04 June 2019, 14:20:49
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Thanks for this point. The kit sets you see on the GB page are the final versions.
Nothing will be subtracted or changed from the kits on the site. They ship as advertised. If anything is added it will be for free and of no cost to the customer, on our dime, as a separate bonus item.
So you're going into GB knowing full well that you have wrongly colored keys in the kits? That's a whole new level...
Post by: Moridin on Tue, 04 June 2019, 14:27:43
Post by: Tekilashot on Tue, 04 June 2019, 16:31:56
I love The deep water kit but the timing is pretty bad for me. Oblivion already got my money. :-X
Post by: dk4one on Tue, 04 June 2019, 16:39:32
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 17:24:20
TheKeyLabs website is hijacking system scrolling, adding some strange latency. I don't know who owns the website but that is a Top Ten Do Not Do thing. I literally cannot select the kit I want, because the site scrolls either higher or lower.
Hey there, this issue was actually already on our radar - it's now fixed. Thanks so much for the feedback.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 17:25:17
QuoteWell, it's missing from the GB form as well, without so much as a comment.
There is no group buy form, only an Interest check form just to clarify any confusion. Group buy entries are available here where all kits are finalized:
https://keylabskeycaps.com/gmk-hammerhead/
I literally clicked a link that said "GROUP BUY OPEN HERE" or something like that, and it took me to a Google form. What did I click?
I had noticed one of the links still accidentally directed to the form instead of the landing page, this should now be fixed. Thanks for the heads up.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 04 June 2019, 17:30:46
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Thanks for this point. The kit sets you see on the GB page are the final versions.
Nothing will be subtracted or changed from the kits on the site. They ship as advertised. If anything is added it will be for free and of no cost to the customer, on our dime, as a separate bonus item.
So you're going into GB knowing full well that you have wrongly colored keys in the kits? That's a whole new level...
Despite my best efforts overlooking the kits there is a lot going on organizationally in the development. Unfortunately the single key had been missed on inspection, luckily it was pointed out and will be changed with no cost to the customer. Those who have purchased the GB will be notified, but the replacement of a duplicate key with the correct one hopefully shouldn't upset anyone. Thanks for your feedback.
Post by: Solotov on Tue, 04 June 2019, 19:19:45
Also, is the deskpad only available on Keylab?
Post by: Crab2020 on Tue, 04 June 2019, 19:42:45
Post by: mta on Tue, 04 June 2019, 21:03:22
Post by: Solotov on Tue, 04 June 2019, 22:10:08
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but were any samples acquired / any pictures posted?
Sample should be after the GB ends, no?
Post by: euphxenos on Tue, 04 June 2019, 22:27:43
Post by: sevenseacat on Wed, 05 June 2019, 00:35:36
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 06:15:46
When will zFrontier put the GB on website?
Also, is the deskpad only available on Keylab?
They're polishing the final bits on their end, I should have a link and an announcement in the next day or so!
Post by: yohannes on Wed, 05 June 2019, 09:11:18
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 09:16:30
is this not made available in zfronter english site? (en.zfrontier.com)?
Their Chinese site went live last night, I just emailed them about the english version, should be up today hopefully. Hope this helps, feel free to check back over the next day or so.
Edit: here you are https://en.zfrontier.com/products/gmk-hammerhead
Post by: tex_live_utility on Wed, 05 June 2019, 12:44:45
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but were any samples acquired / any pictures posted?
Sample should be after the GB ends, no?
Pantone chips are $18, hopefully Keylabs at least has those in hand. It's somewhat of a formality, and I trust Keylabs more than most with getting colors right, but it's always nice to see the color chip and not just the computer screen representation.
Post by: TuCZnak on Wed, 05 June 2019, 12:47:02
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Thanks for this point. The kit sets you see on the GB page are the final versions.
Nothing will be subtracted or changed from the kits on the site. They ship as advertised. If anything is added it will be for free and of no cost to the customer, on our dime, as a separate bonus item.
So you're going into GB knowing full well that you have wrongly colored keys in the kits? That's a whole new level...
Despite my best efforts overlooking the kits there is a lot going on organizationally in the development. Unfortunately the single key had been missed on inspection, luckily it was pointed out and will be changed with no cost to the customer. Those who have purchased the GB will be notified, but the replacement of a duplicate key with the correct one hopefully shouldn't upset anyone. Thanks for your feedback.
So the kits are final, until they aren't? Sorry but what? You change opinions and how the kits are handled every few hours...
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 12:57:03
Maybe I missed it somewhere, but were any samples acquired / any pictures posted?
Sample should be after the GB ends, no?
Pantone chips are $18, hopefully Keylabs at least has those in hand. It's somewhat of a formality, and I trust Keylabs more than most with getting colors right, but it's always nice to see the color chip and not just the computer screen representation.
Yes I have ordered Pantone chips and hope to have them in soon. I'll be working with the team at GMK along the manufacturing process on colors and will ideally have Pantone chips to show during this GB. I appreciate the vote of confidence.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:16:59
And here I thought having an accurate final render of the kit before going to GB is a common thing to do? Sorry I really want this set, but I just want to make sure I'll get what I order, and I need an accurate final render of what is going to be sold. Some random words here and there of fixing this key, adding another key, etc. is not gonna cut it for me.
Ah nice catch. Unfortunately I had not seen that. One of those is supposed to be the darker blue color. I'll see what I can do with GMK, but requesting another quote an render may change costs and take some time.
Thanks for this point. The kit sets you see on the GB page are the final versions.
Nothing will be subtracted or changed from the kits on the site. They ship as advertised. If anything is added it will be for free and of no cost to the customer, on our dime, as a separate bonus item.
So you're going into GB knowing full well that you have wrongly colored keys in the kits? That's a whole new level...
Despite my best efforts overlooking the kits there is a lot going on organizationally in the development. Unfortunately the single key had been missed on inspection, luckily it was pointed out and will be changed with no cost to the customer. Those who have purchased the GB will be notified, but the replacement of a duplicate key with the correct one hopefully shouldn't upset anyone. Thanks for your feedback.
So the kits are final, until they aren't? Sorry but what? You change opinions and how the kits are handled every few hours...
A mistake was made on our part, and at the time we made a logistical decision to keep as is with the options available at the time. Fortunately, we were able to resolve this particular issue with what is a better solution in our eyes and the other vendors involved with a net benefit to the end user.
The design process for this first set has admittedly been a learning process for sure, we do make mistakes and are exceptionally grateful for people to catch things that we don't and help us improve the set for everyone involved.
If this is a deal breaker, I do understand, and maybe would suggest not buying this set.
Post by: dk4one on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:31:48
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:36:09
I've tried to ask multiple times during the IC but never got a proper answer from you. Just want to make sure I got the final message before pulling out so I am not missing out on anything. The spacebar issue will not get addressed, correct?
Hey there apologies for not addressing that earlier, I'm hopping between platforms answering things best I can. The spacebars as part of the Core/Deep Water kits exist in the following formats.
2 x 6.25 spacebars, one in standard GMK format matching the alphas and the other acting as an accent piece. The accent piece is an aesthetic call made for those interested in some of our earlier renders and to continue the initial theme/feel of the Hammerhead design.
1 x 7u spacebar in alpha color
1 x 6u off centered spacebar for more non traditional layouts.
Post by: dk4one on Wed, 05 June 2019, 13:41:49
Post by: Solotov on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:02:02
Post by: norb on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:20:13
edit: will the deskmat also be available at candykeys?
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:27:14
For whatever color there is a 6.25U, there should be 7U of the same color included in the base kit in my opinion. Say if I want an accented navy 7U spacebar, the only way I can get that key is from buying a whole Deep Water base kit. Do you see now the problem we've been trying to communicate with you throughout the IC?
When designing this core set, trying to cater to as many layouts as possible is always on our mind. It is of course difficult to create larger kits when we do get so much feedback about the sizing and the price from people with standard TKL or likewise layouts. Some items didn't quite make the cut at our discretion and the dark blue 7u spacebar was one of those items. That being said, I would be happy to part with the 7u kit from my Deep Water kit if you're interested down the line.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:28:35
The set is now available on zFrontier. And why on earth the deep water kit has $5 extra compared to core kit. Not to mention the quite high inclusive shipping cost as if it tells me to order from other vendor instead.
Hey there! What region are you trying to have the product shipped to? KeyLabs covers US and Canada
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:33:37
so i'm a bit confused after i've seen the prices at candykeys, the novelties kit is 80 euros but only 62 dollars, while the base kits are basically the same in dollar/euro with 138/140. is this correct or a pricing error at candykeys?
edit: will the deskmat also be available at candykeys?
I'll go ahead and reach out to them and confirm the pricing. Each regional vendor has jurisdiction over their own margins due to differences in taxes, import costs and shipping.
As far as the deskpads go, they will be US vendor specific due to the fact it is a new product and would be too expensive to ship in bulk to the EU and sell for a reasonable price currently unfortunately.
Edit: CandyKeys pricing on the novelty kit will be lowered, there had been a mistake.
Post by: norb on Wed, 05 June 2019, 14:50:16
/edit: just checked your shop and 34$ shipping is too much sadly. gotta pass on these :(
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 15:03:21
nice to hear, and about the deskmats, are you shipping them to germany? would be awesome to get one :thumb:
/edit: just checked your shop and 34$ shipping is too much sadly. gotta pass on these :(
Sadly the deskpads are pretty heavy once packaged and usps international shipping is a bear :(
The deskpads will be stocked in the store long term following this GB and I'll do what I can to either work out something with inventory shipped directly to a proxy to lower costs or another shipping system.
Post by: Moridin on Wed, 05 June 2019, 17:00:53
Just joined for Git base, Cadet Alphas and Spacebars !
TheKeyLabs website is hijacking system scrolling, adding some strange latency. I don't know who owns the website but that is a Top Ten Do Not Do thing. I literally cannot select the kit I want, because the site scrolls either higher or lower.
Hey there, this issue was actually already on our radar - it's now fixed. Thanks so much for the feedback.
Smooth and perfect now! Thank you!
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 05 June 2019, 17:17:50
Just joined for Git base, Cadet Alphas and Spacebars !TheKeyLabs website is hijacking system scrolling, adding some strange latency. I don't know who owns the website but that is a Top Ten Do Not Do thing. I literally cannot select the kit I want, because the site scrolls either higher or lower.
Hey there, this issue was actually already on our radar - it's now fixed. Thanks so much for the feedback.
Smooth and perfect now! Thank you!
Hey that's great, I had hoped so, thank you for the heads up.
Post by: Signature on Wed, 05 June 2019, 17:18:58
GB live at https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101037.0
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 15 August 2019, 14:05:41
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 15 August 2019, 14:13:17
In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R3 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?
Thanks!
EDIT: typo: R3, not R4 (there is one of those already).
Post by: Kokaloo on Thu, 15 August 2019, 14:16:55
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 15 August 2019, 14:26:25
Lemme ask one thing:
In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R4 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?
Thanks!
Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I believe there should be a \| R4 in the bottom/additional key section of the base kit.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 15 August 2019, 14:29:43
Pleeaaasseee have some way to include Core. I personally much prefer that over Deep Water.
I really like the light colored kit as well, however unfortunately the last run we ran into a situation where the kits were competing with one another. And given the budget for one kit, most people selected deep water. We're collecting feedback on the interest for the OG core kit in the form, so if you have a second, answering that question would be really helpful.
Unfortunately some tough calls may need to be made, and we'll just have to see if there is enough interest to justify running both kits at once, perhaps just the light alphas, or considering running the "og core" as a different set with some different novelties later down the line.
Post by: nasp on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:06:52
R2: Out
R3: Data or Read
Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.
And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!
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I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.
Cheers!
PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.
Post by: Cresc3nt on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:23:25
Post by: norb on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:24:30
as i wrote in the IC form and iirc it was mentioned in the original IC, would you please consider exchanging the three skull novelties with the shark fin novelty? i think it would be a far better representation of the hammerhead theme. ofc a skull may in some way be related to a shark but if we think of it that way there should also be a cut-off arm and that's not what we want, do we? :eek:
either way i'm totally down for the 2nd try on this, no matter what! :thumb:
Post by: euphxenos on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:33:56
It would be helpful if the rows were labelled in the kit renders. Is this 112344, or something else?
I'm interested in both the Deepwater and the lighter alphas, but I'll probably pass on both without an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.
Post by: depletedvespene on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:42:58
Lemme ask one thing:
In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R4 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?
Thanks!
Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I believe there should be a \| R4 in the bottom/additional key section of the base kit.
There is indeed. I made a typo and was asking about an R4 key when I meant an R3 key. Apologies.
Post by: ogWalker on Thu, 15 August 2019, 15:49:57
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Post by: eskimojo on Thu, 15 August 2019, 17:32:47
Kits are looking good, and it's great that you're responding to feedback.
Would love a lighter alphas kit, put my vote in into the poll :D
Post by: forevermadrigal on Thu, 15 August 2019, 18:57:47
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 15 August 2019, 19:17:56
More than anything, I hope the set gets made.
Post by: roguesystem087 on Thu, 15 August 2019, 19:24:26
Maybe a RAMA anchor or Lighthouse keycap artisan?
Post by: SuddenlyDonkey on Thu, 15 August 2019, 19:59:44
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Post by: Surefoot on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:11:05
I might consider the 'original core' kit at a later date maybe... But not a priority.
Post by: nyry43 on Fri, 16 August 2019, 08:35:39
The novelties are also really cool.
Post by: chakkii on Fri, 16 August 2019, 11:22:35
Post by: eskimojo on Fri, 16 August 2019, 11:41:13
already said it in the IC, I would split numpad into a separate kit, that will bring down the cost even more and the majority is not using numpad anyways :D
Numpad belongs in base kit(in GMK sets at least) because:
- Unnecessarily splitting up kits with GMK is small brain because of their process increasing kit costs and the GB process being simplified with fewer kits
- Numpad is a relatively small number of keys and impact on overall kit pricing for those keys
- There is a fairly large number of layouts that can potentially use those keys: Fullsize, 1800, 96key, uk78, left handed variants of anything with a built in numpad, and then just any non-numpad layout with a separate numpad
- With a large potential percentage of buyers wanting it, having it in a separate kit raises the average paid cost for the set
- On a set that may have a harder time reaching MOQ anyway, if a separate numpad kit doesn't hit it can cause a significant withdrawal of base kit orders, what usually happens to orders with ISO kits
Overall I think keeping the numpad in the base kit is improving QoL of the GB process and having a minimal effect on those not needing the numpad while making significant difference for those who do need it.
Count me as a vote against splitting numpad, thanks.
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Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 16 August 2019, 13:13:17
Love that you have put ortho mods in the spacebar kit. I think this a good approach since it's just 4 keys; however, I would change up those legends. There's no consensus on Esc and Tab. They can either go on r2 or r3 - I've even seen some put a blank key for Esc on r4. Instead of having another pair of Esc and Tab, I'd consider changing them to the following:I agree, I'd much rather have 3 'novelty' legends then 4 escape keys and 2 tab keys. Part of me would still want a second 1u shift keys for symmetry, but this is a good solution
R2: Out
R3: Data or Read
Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.
And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!
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I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.
Cheers!
PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.
Post by: Faust_ on Fri, 16 August 2019, 13:59:38
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Post by: Surefoot on Sat, 17 August 2019, 05:02:43
Post by: andtar2 on Sat, 17 August 2019, 21:38:07
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Unmarked keys are missing. This is kit image from IC for GMK Phosphorous
There is one more key missing that was not in this image: "` ´ |" for DK-layout
Edit: Missing DK-key
Post by: MdotMaxson on Sun, 18 August 2019, 00:32:20
Post by: nguyenhimself on Sun, 18 August 2019, 04:01:25
Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.
Post by: Nivengoh on Sun, 18 August 2019, 09:53:14
But hey as mention this is just my 2 cents.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 19 August 2019, 12:16:22
Love that you have put ortho mods in the spacebar kit. I think this a good approach since it's just 4 keys; however, I would change up those legends. There's no consensus on Esc and Tab. They can either go on r2 or r3 - I've even seen some put a blank key for Esc on r4. Instead of having another pair of Esc and Tab, I'd consider changing them to the following:
R2: Out
R3: Data or Read
Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.
And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!
(Attachment Link)
I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.
Cheers!
PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.
Thanks for this note, as someone who doesn't use Ortho this is pretty helpful info. It's been added to my notes for the kit for possible upcoming tweaks in the next week or two and I might add it to the questions form also.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 19 August 2019, 12:18:25
Good to have you back, Cap'n. Great to see ISO UK still in base too!
Kits are looking good, and it's great that you're responding to feedback.
Would love a lighter alphas kit, put my vote in into the poll :D
Hey thanks :) and appreciate the poll vote! Its looking like that is pretty requested, but I'll have to take a look at the sum of all data when we get a really solid chunk of it.
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 19 August 2019, 14:50:21
Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.
I think I’ll voice my opinion when and where I want but thanks. And what do you even mean if the light alphas come back I won’t be able to buy them?
Post by: nguyenhimself on Mon, 19 August 2019, 23:44:24
As OP said, in the “previous” GB, people mostly went for the dark alpha kit & the light one was unlikely to reach MOQ.Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.
I think I’ll voice my opinion when and where I want but thanks. And what do you even mean if the light alphas come back I won’t be able to buy them?
So, you *could* buy it, but it wouldn’t get produced due to lack of interest anyway.
The ship has sailed. Not enough people want the light alpha kit.
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Post by: ChinaKnockoff on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:17:50
Thank you!
Post by: jooobe on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:19:01
Sorry - I'm new to Geekhack and to group buying. I'm very keen to grab a hold of these though! I'm based in Asia but I can't find any info on them on the Asian distributor site, zFrontier. I would very much appreciate any help in terms of logging my interest and subscribing to the group buy!It will be listed closer to GB launch date
Thank you!
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Post by: ChinaKnockoff on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:20:34
Post by: jooobe on Mon, 26 August 2019, 21:57:23
Thank you! Is there any way to be notified or you just gotta keep hitting F5?Maybe check out keylabs website
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 28 August 2019, 11:05:43
Thank you! Is there any way to be notified or you just gotta keep hitting F5?
For now, Geekhack will be the best source for updates on the kits, major kit announcements will be posted on Reddit and announced on our newsletter also! But they'll for sure be here too. Thanks for the interest!
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Post by: upas on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:00:39
I don't think it's necessarily valid to draw the conclusion that the dark alphas are overall more popular than the light alphas based on sales of the last time this opened.
If I recall correctly, the dark alpha set was cheaper and included fewer keys. Mainly, it got rid of a lot of the cruft that the main base kit with the light alphas had.
I know I personally did not join the GB for the light alphas because I didn't want to pay so much for a bunch of keys I would never use. I wonder if others were in the same situation.
I would love if two changes happened:
1. The Tab key in the extras moved to the base kit
2. A new "light alphas" kit came back, with spacebar and numpad support
With these changes, I could effectively build 2 keyboards by buying the base and alphas kit only.
In the way you had it setup before, you forced buyers to choose between dark and light alphas, which definitely cannibalized sales as you stated in the original post. With this approach, everyone has to buy a base kit. If someone just wanted light alphas in the base kit, they would have to spend more to get the base + alphas kit. But alpha kit purchasers have the ability to build 2 full keyboards, which makes the added cost more palatable.
Post by: ogWalker on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:05:20
Gonna chime in here and also say I liked the light alphas.
I don't think it's necessarily valid to draw the conclusion that the dark alphas are overall more popular than the light alphas based on sales of the last time this opened.
If I recall correctly, the dark alpha set was cheaper and included fewer keys. Mainly, it got rid of a lot of the cruft that the main base kit with the light alphas had.
I know I personally did not join the GB for the light alphas because I didn't want to pay so much for a bunch of keys I would never use. I wonder if others were in the same situation.
I would love if two changes happened:
1. The Tab key in the extras moved to the base kit
2. A new "light alphas" kit came back, with spacebar and numpad support
With these changes, I could effectively build 2 keyboards by buying the base and alphas kit only.
In the way you had it setup before, you forced buyers to choose between dark and light alphas, which definitely cannibalized sales as you stated in the original post. With this approach, everyone has to buy a base kit. If someone just wanted light alphas in the base kit, they would have to spend more to get the base + alphas kit. But alpha kit purchasers have the ability to build 2 full keyboards, which makes the added cost more palatable.
+1 to this
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:21:38
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:40:04
Totally agree with the above. GMK Violet on Cream has done this with purple alphas and included numpad support and for 70$ despite custom colors. With the tab, this kit shouldn't be more than 80$.
Solid ideas all around, I really like the light alphas as well, and knowing this has been realistically achieved previously is promising. Absolutely something I'll look into here.
Post by: jooobe on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:47:01
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:52:25
Would selling alphas and mods separately be easier to include both color options? That way people can get both set of alphas and just one set of mods.
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This was a consideration early on, but unfortunately during my discussion with my rep from GMK, they suggested that this option would be more expensive overall then the production a single unified kit.
Post by: forevermadrigal on Wed, 28 August 2019, 16:53:23
Post by: MdotMaxson on Thu, 29 August 2019, 03:03:13
Gonna chime in here and also say I liked the light alphas.
I don't think it's necessarily valid to draw the conclusion that the dark alphas are overall more popular than the light alphas based on sales of the last time this opened.
If I recall correctly, the dark alpha set was cheaper and included fewer keys. Mainly, it got rid of a lot of the cruft that the main base kit with the light alphas had.
I know I personally did not join the GB for the light alphas because I didn't want to pay so much for a bunch of keys I would never use. I wonder if others were in the same situation.
I would love if two changes happened:
1. The Tab key in the extras moved to the base kit
2. A new "light alphas" kit came back, with spacebar and numpad support
With these changes, I could effectively build 2 keyboards by buying the base and alphas kit only.
In the way you had it setup before, you forced buyers to choose between dark and light alphas, which definitely cannibalized sales as you stated in the original post. With this approach, everyone has to buy a base kit. If someone just wanted light alphas in the base kit, they would have to spend more to get the base + alphas kit. But alpha kit purchasers have the ability to build 2 full keyboards, which makes the added cost more palatable.
+1 to this
Thanks upas!!! +5 to this.
Honestly the worst that happens is it doesn’t hit MOQ. At least give the light alphas a chance. Like I know some of the commenters appear to like the dark keys. Good for you. Doesn’t mean you have to prevent the light set from happening to prove your color is better. It’s called opinion.
Post by: vicissitude on Thu, 29 August 2019, 06:33:35
Wait for the GB to come. :thumb: :thumb:
Post by: Surefoot on Thu, 29 August 2019, 15:52:37
Post by: leexy on Thu, 29 August 2019, 23:05:30
Gonna chime in here and also say I liked the light alphas.
I don't think it's necessarily valid to draw the conclusion that the dark alphas are overall more popular than the light alphas based on sales of the last time this opened.
If I recall correctly, the dark alpha set was cheaper and included fewer keys. Mainly, it got rid of a lot of the cruft that the main base kit with the light alphas had.
I know I personally did not join the GB for the light alphas because I didn't want to pay so much for a bunch of keys I would never use. I wonder if others were in the same situation.
I would love if two changes happened:
1. The Tab key in the extras moved to the base kit
2. A new "light alphas" kit came back, with spacebar and numpad support
With these changes, I could effectively build 2 keyboards by buying the base and alphas kit only.
In the way you had it setup before, you forced buyers to choose between dark and light alphas, which definitely cannibalized sales as you stated in the original post. With this approach, everyone has to buy a base kit. If someone just wanted light alphas in the base kit, they would have to spend more to get the base + alphas kit. But alpha kit purchasers have the ability to build 2 full keyboards, which makes the added cost more palatable.
i agree
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Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 04 December 2019, 01:55:23
Regarding the original core kit, a few sets have been successful lately running an alternate alphas kit, but including enough extra modifiers that you can cover 2 keyboards if you buy the alternate alphas kit. That makes it a much better value, effectively 2 GMK sets with lots of compatibility for $125 each or less.
You must not have been around for the cancelled group buy which had two different base kits. It’s the reason it failed.
Post by: sevenseacat on Wed, 04 December 2019, 04:17:12
Regarding the original core kit, a few sets have been successful lately running an alternate alphas kit, but including enough extra modifiers that you can cover 2 keyboards if you buy the alternate alphas kit. That makes it a much better value, effectively 2 GMK sets with lots of compatibility for $125 each or less.
You must not have been around for the cancelled group buy which had two different base kits. It’s the reason it failed.
Not really. The previous kits were a jumble and had big flaws. Two base kits wasn't one of them.
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Also, if the name for the original light alpha core kit is still up in the air, the opposite of deep water would be the shallows, and GMK Hammerhead Shallows sounds pretty cool to me.
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Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 13 January 2020, 23:55:06
I’m not sure how viable waiting for less sets per month is.
I told him the same. That likely this hobby is becoming an industry and the number of GBs every month will only increase from here and not go back to what we thought we was normal a year ago.
But also, he runs that business by himself and I assume he must do the artisans as a full time job because he just doesn’t have the hours to handle everythjng by himself right now.
But he won’t just abandon this. I trust he will make it happen
Post by: Buster69 on Tue, 14 January 2020, 12:45:49
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 26 January 2020, 14:45:46
At least we have some new information. I really don't know much about how GB's work but you would think a blockbuster set like this would be a priority. I just feel like the longer he holds off the harder it's going to be to get something scheduled and actually make it happen in a reasonable time frame. There are plenty of sets out there, but this just calls to me and I need it haha. I have faith, let's just hope its sooner than later. Thanks for these updates.
The set is on! Just posted a short update to the main post.
As always everyone let us know any feedback, with the new vendor we're in the best position to make this set actually happen ;D
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Post by: Shiftbuzz on Sun, 26 January 2020, 16:15:39
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
Post by: norb on Sun, 26 January 2020, 16:38:29
This set looks amazing!
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
you're not. +1 to this opinion!
Post by: euphxenos on Sun, 26 January 2020, 17:08:07
This set looks amazing!
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
you're not. +1 to this opinion!
Agreed. There's too much vaguely nautical in the novelty kit for the amount of shark. The hammerhead enter key is amazing. If that were in base, I wouldn't need the novelties at all. As it is, it's an expensive novelty kit just to get the few shark keys.
Post by: delrn on Sun, 26 January 2020, 17:14:18
Also, how about an extra b key in the spacebar kit to accommodate Alice layouts?
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Post by: DrHigsby on Mon, 27 January 2020, 03:56:56
This set looks amazing!
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
you're not. +1 to this opinion!
Agreed. There's too much vaguely nautical in the novelty kit for the amount of shark. The hammerhead enter key is amazing. If that were in base, I wouldn't need the novelties at all. As it is, it's an expensive novelty kit just to get the few shark keys.
I fully agree. If the shark fin novelty and enter key full hammer head novelty were moved to base, there would be zero reason to pick up the novelty kit IMO. Not that the other novelties are bad, but this kit is about sharks and not a “vague nautical” theme.
The other thing I’m still scratching my head on is how incomplete the 40s/spacebar kit is. You would need to pick up this extra kit for the four 1u left side ortho mods. Why not just move a lot of the non-standard sizes into a 40s kit?
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 27 January 2020, 12:14:40
This set looks amazing!
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
you're not. +1 to this opinion!
Agreed. There's too much vaguely nautical in the novelty kit for the amount of shark. The hammerhead enter key is amazing. If that were in base, I wouldn't need the novelties at all. As it is, it's an expensive novelty kit just to get the few shark keys.
I fully agree. If the shark fin novelty and enter key full hammer head novelty were moved to base, there would be zero reason to pick up the novelty kit IMO. Not that the other novelties are bad, but this kit is about sharks and not a “vague nautical” theme.
The other thing I’m still scratching my head on is how incomplete the 40s/spacebar kit is. You would need to pick up this extra kit for the four 1u left side ortho mods. Why not just move a lot of the non-standard sizes into a 40s kit?
Oh man, shark fin + hammerhead novelty accent in the base would make the perfect base kit for me XD
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 27 January 2020, 22:28:54
This set looks amazing!
However, i feel like the skull accent esc key does not fit the main theme of the set =\
I think the novelty esc key should be more related to sea life (like the fishbone or shark fin) and that the skull should be a secondary novelty key.
am i the only one who feels that way?
you're not. +1 to this opinion!
Agreed. There's too much vaguely nautical in the novelty kit for the amount of shark. The hammerhead enter key is amazing. If that were in base, I wouldn't need the novelties at all. As it is, it's an expensive novelty kit just to get the few shark keys.
I fully agree. If the shark fin novelty and enter key full hammer head novelty were moved to base, there would be zero reason to pick up the novelty kit IMO. Not that the other novelties are bad, but this kit is about sharks and not a “vague nautical” theme.
The other thing I’m still scratching my head on is how incomplete the 40s/spacebar kit is. You would need to pick up this extra kit for the four 1u left side ortho mods. Why not just move a lot of the non-standard sizes into a 40s kit?
Technically it’s a spacebar Kit that had ortho keys piggy back in to help moq for ortho.
I am really hoping for a light alphas kit because I love borhbcolorways a lot.
Post by: Buster69 on Fri, 31 January 2020, 14:27:56
Also want to say I love the skull novelties... I do see the points about the shark keys though.. Maybe swap out or add to the novelty pool, I think some cannon novelties or shipwrecks could be cool.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 03 March 2020, 16:27:40
Yessss. My prayers have been answered and NovelKeys too, hell yes! Thanks for doing this.
Also want to say I love the skull novelties... I do see the points about the shark keys though.. Maybe swap out or add to the novelty pool, I think some cannon novelties or shipwrecks could be cool.
Hey thanks for the reply! I'm a big fan of the skull novelties as well, though there do seem to be quite a few comments about the overall theme being a bit lacking in the shark department.
This is gonna be something we definitely look at as final tweaks to the novelty set are made!
Post by: abrokencondom on Tue, 03 March 2020, 16:52:34
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:04:13
I agree with the lack of shark elements in comparison to the amount of generic nautical novelties.
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
We've had many people ask the same thing - it's meant to be a shark jaw, but it definitely did not turn out as envisioned and we'll be dropping it from the final novelty kit as a result. Most likely in favor of a tooth!
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 03 March 2020, 17:34:49
I agree with the lack of shark elements in comparison to the amount of generic nautical novelties.
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
We've had many people ask the same thing - it's meant to be a shark jaw, but it definitely did not turn out as envisioned and we'll be dropping it from the final novelty kit as a result. Most likely in favor of a tooth!
Ooh that would be cool! I look forward to seeing a re-imagined novelty kit sometime in the coming month(s).
Post by: Shutter_Shock on Tue, 03 March 2020, 18:33:57
I agree with the lack of shark elements in comparison to the amount of generic nautical novelties.
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
We've had many people ask the same thing - it's meant to be a shark jaw, but it definitely did not turn out as envisioned and we'll be dropping it from the final novelty kit as a result. Most likely in favor of a tooth!
Ooh that would be cool! I look forward to seeing a re-imagined novelty kit sometime in the coming month(s).
I knew it was meant to be a jaw, but I definitely had to look at it for an extra few seconds at first. I agree a tooth would be much clearer.
Post by: DrHigsby on Tue, 03 March 2020, 21:26:21
I agree with the lack of shark elements in comparison to the amount of generic nautical novelties.
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
We've had many people ask the same thing - it's meant to be a shark jaw, but it definitely did not turn out as envisioned and we'll be dropping it from the final novelty kit as a result. Most likely in favor of a tooth!
Ooh that would be cool! I look forward to seeing a re-imagined novelty kit sometime in the coming month(s).
I knew it was meant to be a jaw, but I definitely had to look at it for an extra few seconds at first. I agree a tooth would be much clearer.
I thought it was a bikini top for the longest time. Had a few people make fun of me for that one. ;D
Post by: abrokencondom on Wed, 04 March 2020, 00:43:39
I agree with the lack of shark elements in comparison to the amount of generic nautical novelties.
Btw what's the novelty between the fish bones and the shark fin meant to be?
Suggestions: A shark tooth. A silhouette of the front of shark jaw bones with teeth. A front on view of a hammerhead shark. A shark bitten surfboard. A simple shark on a 1u might be cool too
We've had many people ask the same thing - it's meant to be a shark jaw, but it definitely did not turn out as envisioned and we'll be dropping it from the final novelty kit as a result. Most likely in favor of a tooth!
Ooh that would be cool! I look forward to seeing a re-imagined novelty kit sometime in the coming month(s).
I knew it was meant to be a jaw, but I definitely had to look at it for an extra few seconds at first. I agree a tooth would be much clearer.
I thought it was a bikini top for the longest time. Had a few people make fun of me for that one. ;D
I thought it was a bikini top too, or a molar tooth.
The problem is that the teeth are too small; on such a small symbol, they need to be exaggerated, and probably both top and bottom jaw
Also a hammerhead from a different angle is another idea to help drive the theme.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 11 March 2020, 23:03:51
Post by: ShadyShoals on Sun, 15 March 2020, 10:57:46
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 22 March 2020, 22:38:24
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.
Thanks everyone!
Post by: Surefoot on Sun, 22 March 2020, 22:48:51
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.An ISO enter novelty would be really nice, there's a bit more room on that key for a nice hammerhead shark :)
Post by: DrHigsby on Sun, 22 March 2020, 22:53:20
All, just updated the main post with latest round of changes. Lots of people in both this thread and our feedback form were worried that the set drifted too far from the shark theme, and frankly we agree. This round of changes is largely aimed at bringing down the price of the novelties kit, as well as focusing the theme a bit.
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.
Thanks everyone!
The proposed novelty changes are definitely going in the right direction. I would be okay if you also cut the birds, the pipe, and whatever the icon is between the shark fin and the fish hook.
I also like the shark tooth icon that has the blank space running through the middle.
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 23 March 2020, 10:58:17
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 23 March 2020, 11:13:55
All, just updated the main post with latest round of changes. Lots of people in both this thread and our feedback form were worried that the set drifted too far from the shark theme, and frankly we agree. This round of changes is largely aimed at bringing down the price of the novelties kit, as well as focusing the theme a bit.
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.
Thanks everyone!
The proposed novelty changes are definitely going in the right direction. I would be okay if you also cut the birds, the pipe, and whatever the icon is between the shark fin and the fish hook.
I also like the shark tooth icon that has the blank space running through the middle.
I think the icon between the fin and the hook is meant to be a captain's hat?
But yeah, i would also be okay in dropping the birds, pipe and hat if it can lower costs.
Post by: DrHigsby on Mon, 23 March 2020, 14:44:25
All, just updated the main post with latest round of changes. Lots of people in both this thread and our feedback form were worried that the set drifted too far from the shark theme, and frankly we agree. This round of changes is largely aimed at bringing down the price of the novelties kit, as well as focusing the theme a bit.
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.
Thanks everyone!
The proposed novelty changes are definitely going in the right direction. I would be okay if you also cut the birds, the pipe, and whatever the icon is between the shark fin and the fish hook.
I also like the shark tooth icon that has the blank space running through the middle.
I think the icon between the fin and the hook is meant to be a captain's hat?
But yeah, i would also be okay in dropping the birds, pipe and hat if it can lower costs.
That’s where my mind is at with this. I want to pick up the novelties with this kit, but a $60 novelty kit (making up a number here) is a tough pill to swallow. I think less overall novelties, but novelties which strengthen the core theme at a reduced cost (say $35) is definitely the way to go to help hit MOQ. I have always had the perspective with novelties that the average enthusiast picks up novelties to use like 3 or 4 of them (this is anecdotal evidence, I understand that you, dear reader, may use more).
Anyone else have thoughts here on this?
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 23 March 2020, 15:06:50
All, just updated the main post with latest round of changes. Lots of people in both this thread and our feedback form were worried that the set drifted too far from the shark theme, and frankly we agree. This round of changes is largely aimed at bringing down the price of the novelties kit, as well as focusing the theme a bit.
As of now, the extras and euro kits have no proposed changes. Please give us your feedback here, at this point there will likely not be an overhaul of these kits but necessary changes can be made.
Thanks everyone!
The proposed novelty changes are definitely going in the right direction. I would be okay if you also cut the birds, the pipe, and whatever the icon is between the shark fin and the fish hook.
I also like the shark tooth icon that has the blank space running through the middle.
I think the icon between the fin and the hook is meant to be a captain's hat?
But yeah, i would also be okay in dropping the birds, pipe and hat if it can lower costs.
That’s where my mind is at with this. I want to pick up the novelties with this kit, but a $60 novelty kit (making up a number here) is a tough pill to swallow. I think less overall novelties, but novelties which strengthen the core theme at a reduced cost (say $35) is definitely the way to go to help hit MOQ. I have always had the perspective with novelties that the average enthusiast picks up novelties to use like 3 or 4 of them (this is anecdotal evidence, I understand that you, dear reader, may use more).
Anyone else have thoughts here on this?
I'm with you on this and i think you're right in the number of novelties people actually use.
Post by: norb on Mon, 23 March 2020, 15:09:28
Post by: euphxenos on Mon, 23 March 2020, 18:40:35
Post by: nasp on Mon, 23 March 2020, 23:03:13
I'd keep the shark tooth, the shark fin, the hammerhead keys, and drop everything else. It's trying too hard to cover an entire function row. I'd also like to see an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn added back into the base kit for better 65% support.
I mostly agree with this. I'd put the majority of the r1 novelties on r4 and then the rest on r3 and r2. If nothing else, put some more 1u novelties on r4.
If I were to use any of them on my Planck, I could only use 3 of them, two of which being unique designs. Because of that, it wouldn't make much sense to buy the kit.
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Thu, 26 March 2020, 09:43:09
I don't know if you have contacted them, but a canadian proxy would be nice for canadian folks.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 08 April 2020, 18:48:19
Looking to gauge interest on the Euro kit(s) with this poll, would love to see your thoughts here: https://forms.gle/G1Rj94X7RhdrvC6L8
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 08 April 2020, 19:50:18
Post by: hellokevin on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:06:35
Post by: lockett on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:26:46
Post by: Hanabi on Wed, 08 April 2020, 21:54:13
Post by: Ellen_Degenocide on Tue, 28 April 2020, 18:48:00
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Post by: onestraysheep on Mon, 04 May 2020, 11:55:25
Very small orders have been placed, so this could be the beginning of the rollout? Or a mistake?
https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-hammerhead
Post by: RedBeardDog on Mon, 04 May 2020, 12:17:18
Can’t wait!!!
Any chance to see rama keycap in that set???
Post by: chakkii on Mon, 04 May 2020, 13:07:37
I'm seeing GMK Hammerhead available for Group-Buy on CandyKeys.com right now, but no other websites really.
Very small orders have been placed, so this could be the beginning of the rollout? Or a mistake?
https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-hammerhead
This was from the earlier group buy which got stopped / delayed.
Post by: onestraysheep on Mon, 04 May 2020, 13:30:14
I'm seeing GMK Hammerhead available for Group-Buy on CandyKeys.com right now, but no other websites really.
Very small orders have been placed, so this could be the beginning of the rollout? Or a mistake?
https://candykeys.com/group-buys/gmk-hammerhead
This was from the earlier group buy which got stopped / delayed.
Thanks for the clarification. I thought I had checked everywhere and I haven't seen this. And the low order count made me think it was live again.
Post by: Motte on Mon, 04 May 2020, 13:44:24
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sat, 09 May 2020, 14:52:56
Light alpha base kit render and pricing from GMK coming soon!
Post by: onestraysheep on Sat, 09 May 2020, 19:50:46
Post by: Solotov on Sat, 09 May 2020, 20:49:08
Post by: kokugatsu on Sat, 09 May 2020, 23:54:22
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 10 May 2020, 09:37:13
Post by: hkhawk on Mon, 11 May 2020, 03:09:27
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 11 May 2020, 06:32:19
Post by: hkhawk on Mon, 11 May 2020, 21:40:29
Post by: mvkoto on Wed, 13 May 2020, 21:05:15
Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 17 May 2020, 23:03:21
Candykeys seems to be implying on Instagram that this is coming to GB
I see what you're saying. If you search for the set name on their site, the price in euros comes up for each of the kits
Post by: oldcat on Sun, 17 May 2020, 23:18:18
Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 17 May 2020, 23:58:11
Didn't see Pantone 536C used in the set, maybe I am missing something?
536c is being used on the Core kit. What we see here is the Deep Water Edition.
https://candykeys.com/search/Hammerhead
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 May 2020, 13:26:37
Didn't see Pantone 536C used in the set, maybe I am missing something?
536c is being used on the Core kit. What we see here is the Deep Water Edition.
https://candykeys.com/search/Hammerhead
Ah, thanks! Somehow I missed R1, kicking myself.
Post by: Surefoot on Mon, 18 May 2020, 14:09:35
Ah, thanks! Somehow I missed R1, kicking myself.You didnt miss anything since R1 was cancelled.
Post by: oldcat on Mon, 18 May 2020, 14:49:04
Ah, thanks! Somehow I missed R1, kicking myself.You didnt miss anything since R1 was cancelled.
Ah thanks! Feeling much better now. Will be in this for sure
Post by: mvkoto on Mon, 18 May 2020, 15:54:38
Ah, thanks! Somehow I missed R1, kicking myself.You didnt miss anything since R1 was cancelled.
My bad, I was going off the info on Candy's site. Good to know they're making the nicer looking one the main one ;D
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 18 May 2020, 23:59:34
Post by: oldcat on Tue, 19 May 2020, 02:42:22
Main post is now updated with the light alpha version of the base kit along with some great new on keeb renders! Still working on pricing info :D
Will be in for both dark and light! Very excited. Here is a render as a fan of this set. Under dim lighting (with Pantone codes you provided)
[attachimg=1]
Post by: leexy on Tue, 19 May 2020, 04:14:07
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Tue, 19 May 2020, 14:47:44
because the backspace sized key is the second row and the enters in the 4th, and the 40s size scuttle splits them.
Post by: mvkoto on Tue, 19 May 2020, 14:56:50
Main post is now updated with the light alpha version of the base kit along with some great new on keeb renders! Still working on pricing info :DHa! I take my "my bad" back. :3
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Tue, 19 May 2020, 17:09:22
Main post is now updated with the light alpha version of the base kit along with some great new on keeb renders! Still working on pricing info :D
Will be in for both dark and light! Very excited. Here is a render as a fan of this set. Under dim lighting (with Pantone codes you provided)
(Attachment Link)
Thanks for putting this render together, this looks awesome!! I see that escape key too :thumb:
Post by: leexy on Tue, 19 May 2020, 21:59:31
I think they’re 1 1 2 3 4
because the backspace sized key is the second row and the enters in the 4th, and the 40s size scuttle splits them.
cool, thanks
Post by: FTR_Beat on Thu, 21 May 2020, 08:50:43
Main post is now updated with the light alpha version of the base kit along with some great new on keeb renders! Still working on pricing info :D
Will be in for both dark and light! Very excited. Here is a render as a fan of this set. Under dim lighting (with Pantone codes you provided)
(Attachment Link)
Yo! Oldcat just rendered a piece of art =)
Any chance to have a 533C accent/modifier kit for a uniform look with the 3258C? I love the contrast between the 3258C and 533C! It just illuminates the whole board.
Post by: Dase on Sat, 23 May 2020, 01:35:37
Post by: LightningXI on Sat, 23 May 2020, 02:19:20
Is the render similar to the actual keycaps?
There's no actual keycaps yet, so that'd be hard to say now.
Post by: oldcat on Sat, 23 May 2020, 17:04:28
Is the render similar to the actual keycaps?
Hopefully the color matching process will go smoothly!
Post by: __init__ on Sun, 24 May 2020, 20:14:00
Post by: MdotMaxson on Mon, 25 May 2020, 00:15:01
Post by: Waff3less on Wed, 27 May 2020, 22:25:56
Post by: toxic_munkii on Thu, 28 May 2020, 02:56:43
Would love to see a render of Light on White Austin.
Post by: jooobe on Thu, 28 May 2020, 20:18:46
Post by: MadMerlin on Sat, 06 June 2020, 22:44:59
Post by: Shiftbuzz on Mon, 08 June 2020, 07:25:06
I'm guessing no chance to get a cad storefront for this set. Oh well but hope everyone enjoys the set it looks great
Yeah, i was also hoping it would be available on deskhero.ca or something =(
Post by: bigfishkb on Wed, 10 June 2020, 14:27:58
Post by: toxic_munkii on Mon, 15 June 2020, 18:39:12
I am on full alert for this gb! Seems pretty under the radar though, any idea when the date might be announced?
GB announced for July :)
Post by: BuildingKeys on Mon, 15 June 2020, 18:44:52
Post by: hkhawk on Mon, 15 June 2020, 19:16:04
I am on full alert for this gb! Seems pretty under the radar though, any idea when the date might be announced?
GB announced for July :)
Woohoo, where do you see that?
Post by: leexy on Mon, 15 June 2020, 20:19:20
Post by: Lunarpie on Mon, 15 June 2020, 21:06:32
july 2021Hope this is a troll.
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Post by: oldcat on Mon, 15 June 2020, 23:07:54
Post by: zlalaman2 on Tue, 16 June 2020, 01:13:54
Post by: toxic_munkii on Tue, 16 June 2020, 01:53:31
I am on full alert for this gb! Seems pretty under the radar though, any idea when the date might be announced?
GB announced for July :)
Woohoo, where do you see that?
Candykeys store IG page
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 16 June 2020, 03:01:21
As it stands, the set is missing a R4 1.25u Fn key, which a lot of people need for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL etc. boards. Consider changing Menu, a less frequently used key, to Fn. This shouldn't be an issue, as Fn is a versatile legend that can also work as a menu key, whereas the opposite isn't really the case. In fact, this is exactly what most sets do: they include Fn in their base kits instead of Menu.
Finally, since your set is using single-line Scroll and Num keys, please consider replacing the stepped Caps↲Lock legend with Caps, for a consistent single-line look across the board.
Based on previous experience with GMK, none of the above changes should affect existing quotes, as they are legend-only changes. If you still haven't received final quotes, though, you may want to consider dropping the numpad 00 and some of the extra ISO keys to help keep the cost of the base kit down.
Post by: grundlemere on Wed, 17 June 2020, 08:35:53
Post by: euphxenos on Wed, 17 June 2020, 13:27:07
Runner, please consider replacing the second pair of 1u Ctrl and Alt keys, which aren't commonly used, with the far more useful R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys needed by 65%/75% users. In fact, two 1u Ctrl keys aren't used by any modern layouts outside of 40% boards, and two 1u Alts are only useful if there are two 1.5u Code keys as well, which there aren't in this set.
As it stands, the set is missing a R4 1.25u Fn key, which a lot of people need for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL etc. boards. Consider changing Menu, a less frequently used key, to Fn. This shouldn't be an issue, as Fn is a versatile legend that can also work as a menu key, whereas the opposite isn't really the case. In fact, this is exactly what most sets do: they include Fn in their base kits instead of Menu.
Finally, since your set is using single-line Scroll and Num keys, please consider replacing the stepped Caps↲Lock legend with Caps, for a consistent single-line look across the board.
Based on previous experience with GMK, none of the above changes should affect existing quotes, as they are legend-only changes. If you still haven't received final quotes, though, you may want to consider dropping the numpad 00 and some of the extra ISO keys to help keep the cost of the base kit down.
What he said. I've been watching this one for a long time, but I'm probably going to pass without R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.
Post by: skayn on Wed, 17 June 2020, 13:57:53
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 17 June 2020, 18:13:21
Runner, please consider replacing the second pair of 1u Ctrl and Alt keys, which aren't commonly used, with the far more useful R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys needed by 65%/75% users. In fact, two 1u Ctrl keys aren't used by any modern layouts outside of 40% boards, and two 1u Alts are only useful if there are two 1.5u Code keys as well, which there aren't in this set.
As it stands, the set is missing a R4 1.25u Fn key, which a lot of people need for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL etc. boards. Consider changing Menu, a less frequently used key, to Fn. This shouldn't be an issue, as Fn is a versatile legend that can also work as a menu key, whereas the opposite isn't really the case. In fact, this is exactly what most sets do: they include Fn in their base kits instead of Menu.
Finally, since your set is using single-line Scroll and Num keys, please consider replacing the stepped Caps↲Lock legend with Caps, for a consistent single-line look across the board.
Based on previous experience with GMK, none of the above changes should affect existing quotes, as they are legend-only changes. If you still haven't received final quotes, though, you may want to consider dropping the numpad 00 and some of the extra ISO keys to help keep the cost of the base kit down.
Thanks for taking the time to write this up, it's very appreciated!
We're looking at adding the additional PgUp/Dn keys now. I wasn't aware to the extent that newer sets were including these in base kits nowadays, but we agree.
As for the other points, I don't think we're going to make any additional changes with those legends. I take your points, but I think largely these things come down to a matter of opinion and I want to avoid making non-essential changes this late in the process.
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 17 June 2020, 18:14:34
that Novelty Hammerhead would be insane as Rama Enter key Artisan do u think its possible do ask them ?
Hey there! We're actually working on our own custom metal artisans for Hammerhead. An R1 novelty with the shark tooth icon is planned, but unfortunately probably no enter key this time around :blank:
Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 17 June 2020, 19:09:52
Runner, please consider replacing the second pair of 1u Ctrl and Alt keys, which aren't commonly used, with the far more useful R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn keys needed by 65%/75% users. In fact, two 1u Ctrl keys aren't used by any modern layouts outside of 40% boards, and two 1u Alts are only useful if there are two 1.5u Code keys as well, which there aren't in this set.
As it stands, the set is missing a R4 1.25u Fn key, which a lot of people need for 60%, 65%, 75%, TKL etc. boards. Consider changing Menu, a less frequently used key, to Fn. This shouldn't be an issue, as Fn is a versatile legend that can also work as a menu key, whereas the opposite isn't really the case. In fact, this is exactly what most sets do: they include Fn in their base kits instead of Menu.
Finally, since your set is using single-line Scroll and Num keys, please consider replacing the stepped Caps↲Lock legend with Caps, for a consistent single-line look across the board.
Based on previous experience with GMK, none of the above changes should affect existing quotes, as they are legend-only changes. If you still haven't received final quotes, though, you may want to consider dropping the numpad 00 and some of the extra ISO keys to help keep the cost of the base kit down.
Thanks for taking the time to write this up, it's very appreciated!
We're looking at adding the additional PgUp/Dn keys now. I wasn't aware to the extent that newer sets were including these in base kits nowadays, but we agree.
As for the other points, I don't think we're going to make any additional changes with those legends. I take your points, but I think largely these things come down to a matter of opinion and I want to avoid making non-essential changes this late in the process.
Awesome, is GB coming in July!? So pumped for this one!
Post by: mvkoto on Wed, 17 June 2020, 20:45:33
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 17 June 2020, 20:53:20
Awesome, is GB coming in July!? So pumped for this one!
July indeed! Exact dates and all regional pricing should be ready and posted in the next couple days!!
Post by: leexy on Wed, 17 June 2020, 21:01:13
We're looking at adding the additional PgUp/Dn keys now. I wasn't aware to the extent that newer sets were including these in base kits nowadays, but we agree.
This is a positive development.
Also, any chance of ILUMKB as a vendor for SE Asia?
Post by: oldcat on Wed, 17 June 2020, 21:20:57
We're looking at adding the additional PgUp/Dn keys now. I wasn't aware to the extent that newer sets were including these in base kits nowadays, but we agree.
This is a positive development.
Also, any chance of ILUMKB as a vendor for SE Asia?
Wow great news.
Post by: hkhawk on Wed, 17 June 2020, 23:38:29
Awesome, is GB coming in July!? So pumped for this one!
July indeed! Exact dates and all regional pricing should be ready and posted in the next couple days!!
Yes, congrats! I am very excited
Post by: Motte on Thu, 18 June 2020, 13:16:08
Post by: mvkoto on Thu, 18 June 2020, 15:15:20
Awesome, is GB coming in July!? So pumped for this one!
July indeed! Exact dates and all regional pricing should be ready and posted in the next couple days!!
Let's goooo
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 18 June 2020, 20:30:49
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Thu, 18 June 2020, 22:28:11
Anyone need keys from the extras kit but not 2.25u/2.75u spacebars?
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Fri, 19 June 2020, 10:32:15
GB currently scheduled to take place July 6-31st.
Post by: bigfishkb on Fri, 19 June 2020, 17:34:33
Post by: xiodyr on Fri, 19 June 2020, 17:48:34
Post by: pleasega on Sat, 20 June 2020, 04:49:37
Post by: pleasega on Sat, 20 June 2020, 05:08:52
Post by: solomonshv on Sun, 21 June 2020, 19:50:16
Post by: Milehammer on Sun, 21 June 2020, 21:42:04
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 22 June 2020, 13:59:13
Post by: Keyper on Mon, 22 June 2020, 15:48:57
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 22 June 2020, 15:53:46
Sorry if this already has been brought up, but will there not be any ISO Enter novelty?
Unfortunately there won't be - a big focus for us with the kit redesigns was to try and keep the Novelties pretty lean, and unfortunately there wasn't a ton of demand for an ISO Enter novelty
Post by: Keyper on Mon, 22 June 2020, 16:06:16
Sorry if this already has been brought up, but will there not be any ISO Enter novelty?
Unfortunately there won't be - a big focus for us with the kit redesigns was to try and keep the Novelties pretty lean, and unfortunately there wasn't a ton of demand for an ISO Enter novelty
Okey, I understand. I will join the GB anyway :thumb: Thanks for the quick reply!
Post by: solomonshv on Mon, 22 June 2020, 16:41:38
Pricing for zFrontier is now added! Various vendor announcements should be coming shortly, waiting for final updated renders with last key additions :thumb:
thank you for keeping the prices attractive without taking goodies out of the base! 100% in for base. some other sets (which i will not name) take out ISO keys, numpads, etc, and still charge $100+ :/
Post by: Zytjok on Mon, 22 June 2020, 17:11:31
Post by: mvkoto on Mon, 22 June 2020, 17:15:02
oh nice prices, now the question is... light or dark version for a black keeb ._. hmm... so hard to pick
that's been my question for weeks now. still can't decide.
Post by: CoolMike on Tue, 23 June 2020, 11:03:29
Beautiful key cap set, I have been waiting for this for awhile.
GLWS.
Mike
Post by: MdotMaxson on Wed, 24 June 2020, 05:14:04
Post by: harlekein on Wed, 24 June 2020, 05:17:18
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Wed, 24 June 2020, 21:33:19
That novelty kit straight up hates tsangan and hhkb... I forget if any wkls support 1.25s so possibly wlks too
Fixed, the Parlay R4 keys are 1.5u, our render was wrong. GMK already has the correct layouts so this doesn't affect pricing or anything. Thanks!
Post by: chowder266 on Thu, 25 June 2020, 17:40:24
Post by: toxic_munkii on Thu, 25 June 2020, 20:08:26
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Thu, 25 June 2020, 22:27:53
Do you guys have any Artisan collaboration plans for GMK Hammerhead?
Couple official collabs are in the works, and of course we welcome any other artisans to use the color palette :thumb:
Hoping to tease our metal artisans soon as well
Post by: Ninja_mistic on Fri, 26 June 2020, 05:39:49
Post by: bigern302 on Sat, 27 June 2020, 23:40:01
Is there a cable partner?
Post by: pleasega on Mon, 29 June 2020, 10:12:16
Post by: PureLuck on Fri, 03 July 2020, 03:39:16
We're looking at adding the additional PgUp/Dn keys now. I wasn't aware to the extent that newer sets were including these in base kits nowadays, but we agree.
This is a positive development.
Also, any chance of ILUMKB as a vendor for SE Asia?
+1 for ILUMKB as vendor for South East Asia - he made Primus a huge success and you will have definitely have a wider reach in SEA with him repping as vendor
Post by: mchanneh on Sun, 05 July 2020, 10:56:29
Post by: Milehammer on Sun, 05 July 2020, 12:11:38
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Post by: mvkoto on Sun, 05 July 2020, 12:30:41
Post by: mgsickler on Sun, 05 July 2020, 20:22:36
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Sun, 05 July 2020, 21:15:32
Goes live at midnight for NovelKeys! Pretty pumped about this one. :)
Super hyped. Thread updated with some info on the metal artisans and our collab with Space Cables ;D
Post by: hkhawk on Sun, 05 July 2020, 23:31:27
Post by: Pylon on Mon, 06 July 2020, 01:27:06
Post by: xiodyr on Mon, 06 July 2020, 03:44:47
Best set of 2020 for me!! :)
Post by: syberghost on Mon, 06 July 2020, 06:24:10
Post by: -thekingslayer on Mon, 06 July 2020, 10:30:46
Does anyone know when the artisan keycaps are supposed to be released and if it will be the same vendors? (ex. if i'm NA and went through Novelkeys, will the artisan keycaps be available there or should I be checking another vendor separately?)
Thanks!
Post by: VoidX on Mon, 06 July 2020, 10:32:51
Bought the dark base kit set + novelties + extras, so excited for this drop!I believe they said on discord it would be sometime around a week in, and group buy on the Keylabs site
Does anyone know when the artisan keycaps are supposed to be released and if it will be the same vendors? (ex. if i'm NA and went through Novelkeys, will the artisan keycaps be available there or should I be checking another vendor separately?)
Thanks!
(https://i.imgur.com/fE1m3Qr.jpg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98238.0)
Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 06 July 2020, 11:45:50
Bought the dark base kit set + novelties + extras, so excited for this drop!I believe they said on discord it would be sometime around a week in, and group buy on the Keylabs site
Does anyone know when the artisan keycaps are supposed to be released and if it will be the same vendors? (ex. if i'm NA and went through Novelkeys, will the artisan keycaps be available there or should I be checking another vendor separately?)
Thanks!
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That's correct! Putting the final touches on and the group buy will be ready on our website ASAP. Since this is a new product for us we're going to act as the sole vendor, luckily since it's one keycap international shipping will be typical to our normal artisans.
Post by: VoidX on Mon, 06 July 2020, 11:47:01
Sweet! On the website there is 2 artisan sections, one with the crucible and a blank one. Does that mean there is another artisan coming or do they both refer to the shark tooth metal one?Bought the dark base kit set + novelties + extras, so excited for this drop!I believe they said on discord it would be sometime around a week in, and group buy on the Keylabs site
Does anyone know when the artisan keycaps are supposed to be released and if it will be the same vendors? (ex. if i'm NA and went through Novelkeys, will the artisan keycaps be available there or should I be checking another vendor separately?)
Thanks!
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That's correct! Putting the final touches on and the group buy will be ready on our website ASAP. Since this is a new product for us we're going to act as the sole vendor, luckily since it's one keycap international shipping will be typical to our normal artisans.
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Post by: keylabskeycaps on Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:33:06
Sweet! On the website there is 2 artisan sections, one with the crucible and a blank one. Does that mean there is another artisan coming or do they both refer to the shark tooth metal one?
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We'll be having a raffle for our own classic resin artisans during the next week or two, I'll update with official artisan collabs once they happen as well!
Post by: VoidX on Mon, 06 July 2020, 14:39:01
Nooo... my wallet hahaSweet! On the website there is 2 artisan sections, one with the crucible and a blank one. Does that mean there is another artisan coming or do they both refer to the shark tooth metal one?
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We'll be having a raffle for our own classic resin artisans during the next week or two, I'll update with official artisan collabs once they happen as well!
(https://i.imgur.com/fE1m3Qr.jpg) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98238.0)
Post by: SupportGG__ on Mon, 06 July 2020, 17:49:27
Post by: Tyson on Mon, 06 July 2020, 23:10:36
Post by: imprevade on Wed, 29 July 2020, 17:08:29
Post by: baysic on Fri, 31 July 2020, 12:01:36
This is a petition to add a Kraken novelty!
Too late man. GB ends today.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sat, 01 August 2020, 05:11:31
Question tho, how do i add the badge thingy below my name? Or are those only for the people who made this set? Sorry new here.
Post by: VoidX on Sat, 01 August 2020, 10:27:05
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Sat, 01 August 2020, 10:42:37
In the first post there is a code for it, paste that into your profile signature
Thank you. However, i don't see the code for hammerhead anymore on the 1st page.
Post by: VoidX on Sat, 01 August 2020, 10:45:40
You may have to expand the code button. It should be right at the bottom of the original post under Signature header. Click that code button and it will expand it.In the first post there is a code for it, paste that into your profile signature
Thank you. However, i don't see the code for hammerhead anymore on the 1st page.