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Title: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 04:54:34

ICs die when they are killed.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=94868.msg2588266#msg2588266

I've been messing around with various colors in KLE for a while and decided to actually put some time into a themed set. Inspiration is Saber from the Fate series, who if you're not familiar is this (https://i.imgur.com/bxIFVmC.png). I'm actually not a diehard Saber fan tbh but I liked the idea of blue, grey and yellow for a set, so I ended up coming up with this:

(https://i.imgur.com/97jQu4i.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/0jw67X0.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/jU41bm0.png)

Colors chosen are actually all from the SP stable since GMK's stock colors don't match what I want to go for:

(https://i.imgur.com/VWbAiPj.png)

And here's a render from KBrenders, which does seem a bit light for the grey but I think gives a good feel for the combo:

(https://i.imgur.com/JXNcRJX.png)

I've ordered some color samples from SP to try and nail down the blue and grey (I'm pretty content with the yellow, don't want anything too strong), and may get some Pantones if the SP colors don't work out (I could then match to the cape or clothing too). I've also asked GMK for some samples because maybe I'll be surprised. As far as novelties go, I whipped up some basic pictures of ideas based on feedback from reddit; seems command seals are a popular idea so I threw together rough drafts of the saber, gudao and gudako seals:

(https://i.imgur.com/b6O0fza.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bt9W6lB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cwtIqcK.png)

Unfortunately the Saber seal looks to be an issue since it's so much taller than it is wide so I don't think I can get it to work. Also working on an Excalibur enter key, but I doubt I can retain the detail at such a small scale so again I may have to turn it into a simplified thick outline.

(https://i.imgur.com/ZNgBJUk.png)

Next thing I'll try will be the grail, but I also need to become proficient with Illustrator so novelties will be on-going for a while. Though I'm giving serious consideration to just outsourcing the novelties since not only would the end product be better it'd save me a lot of time.

To-do List:
- Get feedback on kit offerings and finalize them
- Finalize the set of colors
- Decide whether to minimize novelties and put them in base kit, or create a novelty kit add-on
- Actually create usable novelties/hire someone to do them
- Decide on running it myself or using a vendor (doing it myself would mean cheaper prices, but a GB run by a random could be an issue with MOQ)

Anyway, have at it.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Vulcan on Tue, 27 March 2018, 05:00:36

I like the light grey better than the darker grey. (https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20180327/692c3b7208c8a049c555cf463585b697.jpg)

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: RyuDragoon on Tue, 27 March 2018, 05:06:59

Yes. Sign me up for a set.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: jimirolln on Tue, 27 March 2018, 05:32:14

it is clever the way the tool on the pmk site doesn't include the gmk standards...but if you go to the kle site you can get the gmk pallet on the drop down...their colors are much more rich...however i am extremely interested in the dss profile making a come back...if any one has an opinion on it or some comparison pics i would love to get the run down

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Sissy on Tue, 27 March 2018, 06:03:12

Nice color set, dont care about fatecrap but I am fully for more weeb**** themed keysets.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: jihadu on Tue, 27 March 2018, 07:27:35

so olivetti but with blue and gold mods. Seems pretty bland to be, but whatever floats your boat, i guess

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 08:54:00

Quote from: jimirolln on Tue, 27 March 2018, 05:32:14

it is clever the way the tool on the pmk site doesn't include the gmk standards...but if you go to the kle site you can get the gmk pallet on the drop down...their colors are much more rich...however i am extremely interested in the dss profile making a come back...if any one has an opinion on it or some comparison pics i would love to get the run down

http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/

Oh right, I forgot to mention that I am aware of GMK's standard colors but they're rather limited in selection and the colors they have don't match what I want (too vibrant for the blue/yellow and too light or beige for the grey).

Quote from: jihadu on Tue, 27 March 2018, 07:27:35

so olivetti but with blue and gold mods. Seems pretty bland to be, but whatever floats your boat, i guess

I didn't mention it outright but Olivetti is one of the things I was referencing when I made the note about how I don't want the alphas to look white. Grey vs white isn't a huge difference of course, but I think combined with the mods it'd be enough to feel different as a whole.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 27 March 2018, 09:28:06

im in 100%

saber <3

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: LightningXI on Tue, 27 March 2018, 10:25:35

I'm interested!

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Parva Ovis on Tue, 27 March 2018, 10:55:23

If this goes GMK, could we please not have the sublegends on the numpad numerals? It looks cleaner without them.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: a_ak57 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:01:30

Whipped up some basic pictures of novelty ideas based on feedback from reddit; seems command seals are a popular idea so I threw together rough drafts of the saber, gudao and gudako seals:

(https://i.imgur.com/b6O0fza.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/bt9W6lB.png)

(https://i.imgur.com/cwtIqcK.png)

Also made a very rough excalibur, but I have a feeling it won't really translate well to enter key size, so I might have to axe the details even though it wouldn't look as nice:

(https://i.imgur.com/C2n65Lt.png)

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Vulcan on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:04:41

Quote from: a_ak57 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:01:30

Whipped up some basic pictures of novelty ideas based on feedback from reddit; seems command seals are a popular idea so I threw together rough drafts of the saber, gudao and gudako seals:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/b6O0fza.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/bt9W6lB.png)

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/cwtIqcK.png)

Also made a very rough excalibur, but I have a feeling it won't really translate well to enter key size, so I might have to axe the details even though it wouldn't look as nice:

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/C2n65Lt.png)

Thats pretty nice! Good job man

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: truong3016 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 20:33:20

remind me of RX78-2

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Geek Maker on Tue, 27 March 2018, 21:20:34

Quote from: Parva Ovis on Tue, 27 March 2018, 10:55:23

If this goes GMK, could we please not have the sublegends on the numpad numerals? It looks cleaner without them.

agree.
prefer to YYC card

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: megaforce on Tue, 27 March 2018, 22:07:47

clarent blood arthur > excalibur

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Puddsy on Tue, 27 March 2018, 23:12:12

Quote from: megaforce93 on Tue, 27 March 2018, 22:07:47

clarent blood arthur > excalibur

oh no you've attracted megaforce

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Skynet_0 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 01:21:42

Looks great so far, am *heavily* interested

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: kokugatsu on Wed, 28 March 2018, 07:49:58

Hope this goes well, so we can have get GMK Archer someday :))

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: KeLorean on Wed, 28 March 2018, 20:52:36

cool

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Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: nu_types on Wed, 28 March 2018, 21:03:41

I like it, it's somewhat Godspeedy

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: a_ak57 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 22:21:03

Threw together a preliminary base kit, nothing too fancy.

(https://i.imgur.com/97jQu4i.png)

Still having trouble with the Excalibur novelty; as I suspected when scaled down it's really hard to retain the details of the sword, so I may have to just go with a basic outline or just scrap it. The Saber seal also looks to be a challenge since it's far taller than it is wide. At least the Gudao/Gudako seals should be fine, so I might use either/both and come up with something else. Of course, I still have to figure out if I'm only going to have a couple novelty keys and put them in the base kit or actually make a novelty kit.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: Hokabuki on Wed, 28 March 2018, 23:18:25

Quote from: a_ak57 on Wed, 28 March 2018, 22:21:03

Threw together a preliminary base kit, nothing too fancy.

Show Image
(https://i.imgur.com/97jQu4i.png)

Still having trouble with the Excalibur novelty; as I suspected when scaled down it's really hard to retain the details of the sword, so I may have to just go with a basic outline or just scrap it. The Saber seal also looks to be a challenge since it's far taller than it is wide. At least the Gudao/Gudako seals should be fine, so I might use either/both and come up with something else. Of course, I still have to figure out if I'm only going to have a couple novelty keys and put them in the base kit or actually make a novelty kit.

Would like to see r1 1u backspace

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: TonyD on Thu, 29 March 2018, 05:05:37

looks great

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 29 March 2018, 13:24:55

Quote from: Hokabuki on Wed, 28 March 2018, 23:18:25

Would like to see r1 1u backspace

I'll put that in the list of possibilities, will have a better answer once I hear back from GMK and get a feel for how the pricing will shape up.

Also as far as a spacebar kit goes, would anyone actually want yellow accent bars or perhaps blue? Or should I just make a kit of grey keys that covers whatever weird spacebar layouts the kids are into these days?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (Updated with initial base kit)
Post by: skizosavior on Thu, 29 March 2018, 16:54:15

Going to re-iterate what was said earlier, no sublegends on the numpad would make it look much cleaner. Definitely like the color combo and novelties :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (Updated with initial base kit)
Post by: Solotov on Fri, 30 March 2018, 02:03:37

Interested. Would love to see the renders of novelties too :thumb:

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (Updated with initial base kit)
Post by: merlin64 on Fri, 30 March 2018, 11:37:00

lol, I was working on a keyset called GMK Merlin which pretty much looked just like this. Except my alphas were white. haha. There goes my great idea.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate
Post by: a_ak57 on Sun, 01 April 2018, 13:35:57

Got my SP samples in today; ordered YCC, GTL, BO and BDH (though GTL is actually just a DSA keycap since they didn't have the actual chip for it in stock). Initial impressions: YCC is accurate to the SP picture and kbrender and I really like it. GTL is pretty accurate to the SP picture too, but it is definitely darker than the kbrender (I don't own Granite but I do have XDA Milestone which is based off it, and it's darker than the alphas/lighter than the mods). BO is very different from both the SP picture and kbrender (kinda looks like BGA in their picture (https://pimpmykeyboard.com/template/images/absblue.jpg) actually?), but I kind of expected that since it's the darker blue of Dasher which seems to vary in looks drastically depending on lighting, which is why I also ordered BDH.

BDH is a bit more light/vibrant than what I originally envisioned but it looks to be a closer match to the kbrender. I also remembered I have an SP grab bag from last year and was rooting around through it and I found a grey that seems to be a good match to the kbrender but unfortunately I have no idea what it is (might be GSL or GTR), so I've ordered a few grey samples which I really ought to have done in the first place. And based on seeing BDH in person I think BFK might be the best match to the render so I've ordered that too.

Here are some pics I took, it's incredibly difficult to get something accurate so I took a couple pics under different lighting (indoor and outdoor):

(https://i.imgur.com/3yCxR8x.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/IOnPpKd.jpg)

I have to say, I have a much greater appreciation for sets where conveying colors has been an issue since these bloody pictures still don't even match what the chips look like sitting on my desk right now, and the pics look different when I swap back and forth between my two different model monitors.

I've also asked GMK for some color samples which I should have done before anyway; V4 seems to be similar to BDH so I might actually be fine with it, and I might be okay with 2M or even GR1 if they don't look too white in normal lighting, but I need to see GE1 in person since I'm pretty adamant about having a pale yellow.

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (latest update - color samples)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 01 April 2018, 19:52:56

Do you plan on running this in pbt dyesub at some point?

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (latest update - color samples)
Post by: merlin64 on Sun, 01 April 2018, 21:12:18

He'd have issues with the dye sub on the modifiers unless he did some reverse dye-sub

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (latest update - color samples)
Post by: p_blaze on Sun, 01 April 2018, 21:34:20

Quote from: merlin64 on Sun, 01 April 2018, 21:12:18

He'd have issues with the dye sub on the modifiers unless he did some reverse dye-sub

true, didn't think about that
honestly I like a lot of sets but abs is a dealbreaker for me, I just can't stand the texture of worn down abs. I hope more sets start coming in reverse pbt dyesub

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: Sifo on Wed, 04 April 2018, 22:28:12

the **** man

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: xondat on Wed, 04 April 2018, 22:29:39

Wait, what happened? :'(

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: kokugatsu on Thu, 05 April 2018, 05:47:52

wheres my weeb keys :(

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: a_ak57 on Thu, 05 April 2018, 09:27:53

Sorry to those who were interested, but after sitting back and looking at the project from an objective lens I realized there realistically wasn't any chance this would be produced so I decided not to fall into the sunk cost fallacy. A number of reasons added up to that really; for one I put this out too early, before I really had anything settled in terms of design and are first impressions are big; it's difficult to get too interested in something when the OP doesn't even have the something as simple as the colors or profile settled on, much less want to follow its progress.

Another is that custom color GMK GBs have become exponentially more difficult to run successfully over the past year and if you aren't on massdrop you either need a great idea or great pricing to hit that 250 MOQ. I've been around enough to know that based on responses here/on reddit this wasn't the former; the thematic element only appealed to weebs for one, and as for mainstream appeal when you've read hundreds of IC threads it's just kind of apparent when someone had stumbled upon a colorway that people are legitimately interested in. For the pricing aspect I thought about running it myself as a non-profit GB, but I realized you can really only get away with a non-vendor GB these days if you're a mainstay of the community.

Not trying to be melodramatic about all this, it's just what I had to sit down and think about before I decided to keep putting time and money into this (most immediately commissioning a novelty designer and a renderer). Though as a last update the other color samples arrived in the mail yesterday and GSL/BFK look good (pretty sure GSL is that unknown grey SA keycap).

Title: Re: [IC] GMK Fate (nvm, hit a bad end)
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 05 April 2018, 10:45:43

Quote from: a_ak57 on Thu, 05 April 2018, 09:27:53

Sorry to those who were interested, but after sitting back and looking at the project from an objective lens I realized there realistically wasn't any chance this would be produced so I decided not to fall into the sunk cost fallacy. A number of reasons added up to that really; for one I put this out too early, before I really had anything settled in terms of design and are first impressions are big; it's difficult to get too interested in something when the OP doesn't even have the something as simple as the colors or profile settled on, much less want to follow its progress.

Another is that custom color GMK GBs have become exponentially more difficult to run successfully over the past year and if you aren't on massdrop you either need a great idea or great pricing to hit that 250 MOQ. I've been around enough to know that based on responses here/on reddit this wasn't the former; the thematic element only appealed to weebs for one, and as for mainstream appeal when you've read hundreds of IC threads it's just kind of apparent when someone had stumbled upon a colorway that people are legitimately interested in. For the pricing aspect I thought about running it myself as a non-profit GB, but I realized you can really only get away with a non-vendor GB these days if you're a mainstay of the community.

Not trying to be melodramatic about all this, it's just what I had to sit down and think about before I decided to keep putting time and money into this (most immediately commissioning a novelty designer and a renderer). Though as a last update the other color samples arrived in the mail yesterday and GSL/BFK look good (pretty sure GSL is that unknown grey SA keycap).

This is a great drop of insight to see from you, OP. I agree when you say that the set already caters to somewhat of a much smaller subset of the whole community, and that hype driven around sets can be very misleading. There have been several IC'd sets, that I think have had either fantastic or questionable color schemes/designs, but they have either succeeded or fallen through given marketing, timing, vendor and name affiliations (a crucial determinant, in my opinion), among other important factors.

I am happy to support a well-thought out set that aims to meet MOQ after all the ducks have been lined up properly. Godspeed.

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