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Topre PBT Spacebar (SECOND RUN!)
« on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 09:31:41 »
SOON AVAILABLE HERE!!

TL;DR

- GB will start really soon (few hours) GB just started!
- order more or equal than what you committed (not less)
- colors will be: light blue, red, light gray, dark gray.
- the spacebars are actually already in production, you'll get them really soon

The story so far

A little by chance at the end of last year I found a manufacturer in Europe able to make the Topre spacebars in PBT. Only problem... a ginormous MOQ and quite a steep cost for the mold. Anyway I started this "purchase intent" to check on the interest of such a project and hopefully find some sponsors.

Sponsor that materialized in the form of Massdrop. Months passed and soon was clear that it couldn't be possible to produce the spacebar at a reasonable price point in Europe... so China it is.

From China with love

First of all let me say that all you hear about manufacturing in China is true. Making them do exactly what you need is a darn odyssey, but sure it's cheaper. Anyway, the purchase intent went well, so we have the numbers to proceed.

We ordered 8 prototypes. These prototypes are milled not injected, they are needed just to check that the 3d model is good. On that 3d model we will be forging the final mold.

And here we are now

I have the prototypes in my hands, the colors are still not perfect and there are few things to update, but that's what prototypes are for. Overall I'm very satisfied by the product. The 3D model is a perfect 1:1 replica of the original. Seriously you can't tell the difference.

I'm happy to finally be able to tell you that... the mold has already been paid for and it is in production! This means that when the GB ends the spacebars will be already done (or close to).

Shut up and take my money

The group buy will start very soon (it's a matter of hours now). I'll do my best to have some kind of bonus for all those who preordered but MOQ is still pretty high and margin very small. I hope you'll understand if that won't be possible.

The cost per key should be around what we estimated, $9, possibly something less, I'll know for sure in the next few hours. Volume discount will be available. It will be possible to buy 1 black and 1 white, 2 black, 2 white, 2 colors, all 4. I don't think it will be possible to buy only one, sorry. That is because the high MOQ.

Colors will be: white (aka: light gray), black (aka: dark gray), red, light blue. These colors have been chosen by you and I believe they are just perfect. Remember that you can always dye-at-home the white one.

Colors are all matched, but 100% match won't be technically possible.

Pre production samples

Let me thank the guys at Massdrop that made all this possible. Especially Andrew and Kunal. They agreed at running pre-production samples. This means that a couple of weeks from now, while you will be still ordering your spacebars, I will be holding a semi-final product. If anything is wrong with it, we will have 2 more weeks to fix it in time for the GB end.

I'm closing the "purchase intent" form now, if you participated, you are the one who made this possible. Thanks to the huge numbers we raised I was able to persuade Massdrop to join this adventure. As soon as the GB will be up I will be emailing you a friendly reminder. You can change your order, but please try not to order less than what you already told us.

Thank you everybody! Now let's inject some plastic!

Yours,
Matt3o

« Last Edit: Thu, 14 July 2016, 02:03:21 by Matt3o »

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #1 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 09:44:05 »
Form filled!

Thanks Matt3o. :thumb:
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #2 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 09:55:00 »
This is getting really exciting.  Thanks for all your hard work Matt3o  :thumb:

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #3 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 09:57:02 »
I hope we could make it...

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #4 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 09:59:15 »
Form filled for 7 total.

Voted light green, light blue, medium gray for color pack!
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #5 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:07:17 »
Form filled

Voted for medium grey, yellow and light blue
« Last Edit: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:10:21 by Juice »

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #6 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:07:31 »
Form filled out for 6 total - 4 black and 2 white. If needed I can probably double that order.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:10:21 »
Tomorrow I'll post a status update, including the preferred colors.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:42:36 »
Filled. $10 a piece for something like this sounds reasonable to me.
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 10:49:14 »
On board...
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #10 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:38:16 »
+1. Going to need to buy more topre.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #11 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:40:05 »
Voted for purple, red, and medium gray.
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #12 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:42:13 »
Done. Thanks for your hard work Matt3o!

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #13 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 11:58:47 »
just a quick note: the medium gray won't be color matched to the 10th anniversary (color matching is quite expensive).

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #14 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:27:17 »
Form Filled :thumb:

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #15 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:43:32 »
My family would kill me if they found out I am going to be spending $70 on spacebars.  :))

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #16 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:45:08 »
Form filled  :thumb:

Voted for red, purple and medium grey

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #17 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:52:05 »
Thank you for making this happen. :)

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #18 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:53:05 »
Voted for purple, red, and medium gray.

Form filled  :thumb:

Voted for red, purple and medium grey

I like the way you think.
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #19 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 12:55:54 »
Voted for purple, red, and medium gray.

Form filled  :thumb:

Voted for red, purple and medium grey

I like the way you think.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #20 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 13:04:46 »
Thanks matt3o. Form filled!  :)

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #21 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 14:15:14 »
Form filled out!

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #22 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:04:38 »
I voted for green, orange and lavender to match the caps EliteKeyboards sells. I know it wouldn't be color matched but it could be close enough.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #23 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:16:23 »
I voted for mint green, light blue, and medium grey. The 660C spacebar stem layout should be the same as the other Topre keyboards right?

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #24 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:16:44 »
Pink red blue black and white for me!  ;)

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Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #25 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:19:06 »
Been avoiding this for too long, filled! Hope we get some pretty colors! Mint green, pink, and purple!
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #26 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:23:53 »
Filled out, not bothered about colors so I just ordered black + white. I don't yet have a Topre keyboard that isn't the Novatouch, but I've got a 660c on the way and plan to get a Realforce in the future.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #27 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:24:34 »
Nice!!
I just filled out the form. Thanks for the hard work guys, keep it up and lets make this happen!
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #28 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:35:04 »
I filled the form. I need these in my life.

I hope this is compatible without breaking the spacebar stabilizers. I heard the reason these pbt space bars don't exist is because of compatibility problems.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #29 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 15:43:53 »
Submitted. Not super big on color but would love a pbt spacebar for my HHKB.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #30 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 16:53:17 »
Most voted colors so far:

blue
red
light blue
light green
medium gray
purple
orange
pink

they are all very close! keep voting :)

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #31 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 17:08:25 »
Done my part!
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #32 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 17:46:19 »
Crime against humanity if you don't vote here for some PBT space-bars for your Thorpies  8) .

Because your name is connected to this Matt I know this will be a serious venture that will yield results, you're doing something that the clowns at Realforce and HHKB failed to ever even try.

I hope this picks up in the beginning of 2015 so that we can finally remove all our ABS spacers in favour of these wonderful babies.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #33 on: Fri, 12 December 2014, 18:21:06 »
Will the light blue be akin to something like GMK cyan?
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #35 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 01:43:43 »
From filled out
eh o well

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 02:41:37 »
Okay guys, this is incredible. We are already at 21% in less than 24h!

I believe there's hope for this to become a reality! Spread the word!

Color preference so far:

Code: [Select]
    [Sky Blue/Light Blue]
    [Red]
    [Medium gray]
    [Mint/Light Green]
    [Purple]
    [Orange]
    [Pink]
    [Blue]
    [Yellow]
    [Green]
    [Lavender]
    [Beige]
    [Magenta]

They are all very close up to Green. Nothing is set to stone yet.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #37 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 05:37:15 »
Form submitted.  I need these mang!
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #38 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 06:32:09 »
if anyone is active on kbdmania, please spread the word!

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #39 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 08:10:13 »
I just posted on the Market Info. page and the English Board on kbdmania. Im a FOB in Korean so hopefully if they didnt understand the details they can just click on the link I provided lol  :p
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 08:58:26 »
Form filled; Matt3o in regards to the color match will it be the PBT key color or the ABS? Because to my eye the ABS spacebar color is a little off from the PBT color (especially the black-dark grey). 

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #41 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 09:02:32 »
Form filled; Matt3o in regards to the color match will it be the PBT key color or the ABS? Because to my eye the ABS spacebar color is a little off from the PBT color (especially the black-dark grey).

that is a very good point actually.

We should totally try to match the PBT color, not the ABS.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #42 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 10:24:14 »
More votes for yellow please :)

How much would "semi" color matching (for the colored spacebars) cost . I don't think they have to match 100% but if the manufacturer could do limited color matching to get the spacebars kind of close that would be fantastic. I don't think that they would have any problems selling the "test run" batches.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #43 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 10:36:19 »
My family would kill me if they found out I am going to be spending $70 on spacebars.  :))

And your conscience... But, no wait, what am I saying? this is GH where we stud for great keyboards no matter the costs, we are not bean counters, Are we?
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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #44 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 10:49:13 »
More votes for yellow please :)

How much would "semi" color matching (for the colored spacebars) cost . I don't think they have to match 100% but if the manufacturer could do limited color matching to get the spacebars kind of close that would be fantastic. I don't think that they would have any problems selling the "test run" batches.

they don't do that. the best we can do is eye-matching ourselves and give them a pantone code.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #45 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 12:18:20 »
Not sure what the point of a colored spacebar is when there wouldn't be anything to match it. That said, I'm definitely in for a couple black and a couple white.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #46 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 12:20:32 »
Form submitted.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #47 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 14:48:38 »
that is a very good point actually.

We should totally try to match the PBT color, not the ABS.

The next question is, do we match the alphas or the 2x mods. To my eyes the UB 2x modifier keys are slightly darker than the alphas. I think matching the alphas are the way to go personally.

There might be better pictures out there of the effect but this is one that I took where the Enter, RShift, and Backspace keys look appreciably darker than the nearby alpha keys.

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #48 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 16:12:27 »
PIIIIIIIIIINK NEEDED!
 

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Re: Topre PBT Spacebar "Purchase Intent" Form
« Reply #49 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 20:44:25 »
Mine is in. Pink, purple and medium grey.  Not sure what color that grey is. Hopefully it is a nice grey.