Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:36:51
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I present to you all, OXBLOODS!
Most tactile switches on the current market are based off the high tactility of the Holy Panda switch. However, the point of tactility is to inform the user when a key is pressed; and we feel these high tactility switches can be a bit harsh about it.
Oxbloods intend to return to the roots of some tactile switches: A light and smooth bump that results in less hand strain and a more ergonomic experience compared to the heavy bump of other tactile switches. Oxbloods come in a mahogany red housing with a black stem.
We are also excited to announce that we are collaborating with TX keyboards!
As such our switches come pre-made with high quality TX springs! Bundle options for Oxbloods and TX films will be available as well when they go live.
Specs:
- Made by JWK
- 62g TX springs (16mm)
- PC top with nylon bottom and POM stem
- Mahogany red housings, black stem
- PCB mount (can clip legs for plate mount)
- Un-lubed from the factory
Housing Color
(https://i.imgur.com/vbz0WcD.jpg)
Here is a comparison image to a T1 for reference(T1 in blue):
(https://i.imgur.com/AFVn5wi.png)
Price:
$0.70 USD per switch, sold in packs of 10
Vendors:
US: TX Keyboards (https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/)
EU: Protozoa Studio (https://www.instagram.com/protozoa.studio/)
CA: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/)
SEA: Monokei (https://monokei.co/)
CN: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/)
Dates:
Sales dates are TBA!
Soon.tm
IC FORM (https://forms.gle/s3FE5za2RpsGS7xdA)
(https://i.imgur.com/0HyOK4F.jpg)
I present to you all, OXBLOODS!
Most tactile switches on the current market are based off the high tactility of the Holy Panda switch. However, the point of tactility is to inform the user when a key is pressed; and we feel these high tactility switches can be a bit harsh about it.
Oxbloods intend to return to the roots of some tactile switches: A light and smooth bump that results in less hand strain and a more ergonomic experience compared to the heavy bump of other tactile switches. Oxbloods come in a mahogany red housing with a black stem.
We are also excited to announce that we are collaborating with TX keyboards!
As such our switches come pre-made with high quality TX springs! Bundle options for Oxbloods and TX films will be available as well when they go live.
Specs:
- Made by JWK
- 62g TX springs (16mm)
- PC top with nylon bottom and POM stem
- Mahogany red housings, black stem
- PCB mount (can clip legs for plate mount)
- Un-lubed from the factory
Housing Color
(https://i.imgur.com/vbz0WcD.jpg)
Here is a comparison image to a T1 for reference(T1 in blue):
(https://i.imgur.com/AFVn5wi.png)
Price:
$0.70 USD per switch, sold in packs of 10
Vendors:
US: TX Keyboards (https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/)
EU: Protozoa Studio (https://www.instagram.com/protozoa.studio/)
CA: Ashkeebs (https://www.ashkeebs.com/)
SEA: Monokei (https://monokei.co/)
CN: zFrontier (https://en.zfrontier.com/)
Dates:
Sales dates are TBA!
Soon.tm
IC FORM (https://forms.gle/s3FE5za2RpsGS7xdA)
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:37:13
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Post by: nu_types on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:39:39
Edit: sorry, didn't notice that someone already asked this
Post by: powwu on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:42:05
So are these recolored T1s or something different?
Are these t1 recolors or different?
Judging by the fact that they say that it's a light tactile, I'm assuming it's something different.
Excited for more information on these, name is a lil weird though.
Post by: Ramen Champ on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:46:33
Post by: nu_types on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:46:36
So are these recolored T1s or something different?Are these t1 recolors or different?
Judging by the fact that they say that it's a light tactile, I'm assuming it's something different.
Excited for more information on these, name is a lil weird though.
I'm guessing the name was chosen to go along with the GMK Slasher theme. Yeah, the description doesnt sound like T1 switches, but its a very common practice with custom JWK switches to just recolor an existing switch and use a different spring.
Post by: eskimojo on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:47:30
It's obviously not T1s or Dark Jades/Moyu Black, as those are HP-based switches which this IC is very clear it is not.
The description of the feel is both very descriptive and not very helpful.
Most tactile switches on the current market are based off the high tactility of the Holy Panda switch. However, the point of tactility is to inform the user when a key is pressed; and we feel these high tactility switches can be a bit harsh about it.
Oxbloods intend to return to the roots of a tactile switch: A light and smooth bump that results in less hand strain and a more ergonomic experience compared to the heavy bump of other tactile switches.
Post by: aethered on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:48:20
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Post by: FootFingers on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:49:03
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:49:10
So are these recolored T1s or something different?Are these t1 recolors or different?
Judging by the fact that they say that it's a light tactile, I'm assuming it's something different.
Excited for more information on these, name is a lil weird though.
Correct, these are not T1 recolors. These have a lighter and smoother bump, hence the light tactility like you said!
The name is based on the color inspiration, Oxblood leather:
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/proxy/t4FJkl2au5jSw1xs3nMViTBjM1IJLUmJjuh0t1i8kJ2V06WlIh3paJqgu8ZiSwrQPbqire3Ntbc547llj5bNIAeY05g2Y75S9a_F7k6U_Yww3vQ2JEj7uNP3PHy1TP6-vokz-MBTu-TkaXWJgb00qmFSeQ)
Post by: Pyk_ on Sat, 12 September 2020, 14:53:48
Excited for more information on these, name is a lil weird though.
The slasher connection makes sense, but oxblood is also literally the name of the color used for the housing.
Post by: powwu on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:03:44
The name is based on the color inspiration, Oxblood leather
Interesting! I guess the name isn't so weird after all, haha
Post by: MyManMart on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:06:15
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:13:58
T1 being the blue here:
(https://i.imgur.com/AFVn5wi.png)
Post by: Kokaloo on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:20:51
this is the good
Post by: FootFingers on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:23:47
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Post by: Rayndalf on Sat, 12 September 2020, 15:46:14
I'll have to get some.
Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:32:18
What switch do they feel close to ?
Post by: wholypantalones on Sat, 12 September 2020, 16:40:45
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Post by: Rob27shred on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:00:29
Yes to not holy panda tactiles
Right! I'm pretty burnt out on "The most tactile switch ever, rabble, rabble, rabble!" stuff also bud (when meanwhile ALPS did it best a long time ago with SKCM browns, undamped creams, neon greens, oranges, & salmons LOL!)! Been telling anyone who'd listen we need more mid tactility switches like OG ergo clears & V1 Zealios, looks like Dale answered my prayer! :thumb:
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 12 September 2020, 17:26:52
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Post by: treeleaf64 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 18:23:50
There is a market for light tactiles, and we will demonstrate it. If this is anywhere in the range of Browns / Clears / Zealio V1, I'll buy it.
Yes, I am the market. Fast typing gang :cool:
Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 18:29:19
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Post by: popkorn62 on Sat, 12 September 2020, 23:53:49
Without a doubt will buy these. Love the color (GMK slasher is on my must-buy list), love the smoother tactility, and TX springs are my favorite by far. Great product. Also nice to go unlubed. The only qualm I have with JWK is that they absolutely need to tighten their tops. I’ve gone through them all at this point. Every single version of a JWK switch has needed films to get rid of that rattle from loose top housings.Hence the bundle with films option
Post by: pixelpusher on Sun, 13 September 2020, 00:23:12
Without a doubt will buy these. Love the color (GMK slasher is on my must-buy list), love the smoother tactility, and TX springs are my favorite by far. Great product. Also nice to go unlubed. The only qualm I have with JWK is that they absolutely need to tighten their tops. I’ve gone through them all at this point. Every single version of a JWK switch has needed films to get rid of that rattle from loose top housings.Hence the bundle with films option
Dude, you know I'm stocked up on films. I have a tub for TX films and a tub for TX springs. Just put in another order for more springs. I figure, hell, I've got 60 or so extra keyboards... why not start hoarding films and springs? Every time I see a new JWK switch, I order a set of films :P
Post by: nu_types on Sun, 13 September 2020, 00:24:23
Without a doubt will buy these. Love the color (GMK slasher is on my must-buy list), love the smoother tactility, and TX springs are my favorite by far. Great product. Also nice to go unlubed. The only qualm I have with JWK is that they absolutely need to tighten their tops. I’ve gone through them all at this point. Every single version of a JWK switch has needed films to get rid of that rattle from loose top housings.
I believe JWK is actually retooling their molds, so this may not be an issue soon. For what its worth, I have some dark jades and the housing doesn't seem to have any wobble, I'm not sure if this is due to newer molds? Granted, the housing for those is PBT, so it may not share molds with housings made from different materials.
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Post by: Sandy on Sun, 13 September 2020, 12:27:16
Are they a P bump vs a D bump
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Post by: leexy on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:37:13
I hope this isn't just an everglide jade recolour.
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 14 September 2020, 02:57:53
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
Post by: funderburker on Mon, 14 September 2020, 03:57:43
They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
I've never heard of any of those switches. Maybe Everglide Jade but have no experience with them. Interesting to hear there's a bunch of them apparently.
Mmm, talking 62g TX springs... Maybe something new from them or a special order for Oxbloods? Dunno.
Post by: kimchijody on Mon, 14 September 2020, 04:35:01
They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
I've never heard of any of those switches. Maybe Everglide Jade but have no experience with them. Interesting to hear there's a bunch of them apparently.
Mmm, talking 62g TX springs... Maybe something new from them or a special order for Oxbloods? Dunno.
I had a question related to this as well. On the TX site, it seems they now sell 16mm springs, which seem to be their 14mm springs but "stretched out". I use this term because, unlike slow curve springs, the coiling on the TX 16mm springs appears to be wider than the more compact coiling found on slow springs like Gat Yellow and Sprit springs. Would this mean the force curve would be closer to a slow than a regular spring? Or something in between? Or is the rate of resistance relative to compression unaffected in the same manner?
Either way, this is an easy buy for me. Looking forward to the GB!
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 14 September 2020, 09:20:40
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 14 September 2020, 09:27:25
They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
It is great that there are all these light tactiles, but information isn't reaching a lot of people. I like Everglide Jades because of the stem. But I've never heard of the 'Rara' stem. Was it mentioned here previously?
I may have heard of the Melgeek Ember in passing in some commercial e-mail, same with the Crane. I don't think the Shogoki has been developed yet? These are all 'Rara' derivatives?
I had a question related to this as well. On the TX site, it seems they now sell 16mm springs, which seem to be their 14mm springs but "stretched out". I use this term because, unlike slow curve springs, the coiling on the TX 16mm springs appears to be wider than the more compact coiling found on slow springs like Gat Yellow and Sprit springs. Would this mean the force curve would be closer to a slow than a regular spring? Or something in between? Or is the rate of resistance relative to compression unaffected in the same manner?
Either way, this is an easy buy for me. Looking forward to the GB!
I think you're right. I'm told that the new 62 gr spring used in the Oxblood is based on TX's new line of 16mm springs. I don't know the characteristics, but the 62 is part of the new line. If they are slow-curve like you suggest, those would be good for Ergo Clear operation, in my experience. You can make them light and poppy with slow-curve. Maybe too poppy.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 14 September 2020, 10:42:01
It's my understanding that they are aiming for something in between MX Brown and Clear.
This is correct, with a leaning towards browns.
They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
It's my understanding that this is a different stem than those actually, but I'm requesting more information as questions arise here.
Samples haven't been received yet, but when they are I'll have someone compare, since I dont personally have any of those at the moment.
The 14mm springs go by increments of 5, but technically there is a 62g variant as well (possibly 67 too?). Since these will be the newer 16mm, this weight is one of the default options.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 14 September 2020, 11:30:28
From just a quick peak at the Everglide Jade I have, the oxblood samples are already far less tactile. But the ones I have are v1s, so if they ended up shaving the bump from 1 to 2 for the everglides, I can potentially see the comparison. And personally, the Jades are still far too tactile even while being regarded as ergo clear inspired.It's my understanding that they are aiming for something in between MX Brown and Clear.
This is correct, with a leaning towards browns.They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
It's my understanding that this is a different stem than those actually, but I'm requesting more information as questions arise here.
Samples haven't been received yet, but when they are I'll have someone compare, since I dont personally have any of those at the moment.
The 14mm springs go by increments of 5, but technically there is a 62g variant as well (possibly 67 too?). Since these will be the newer 16mm, this weight is one of the default options.
Post by: lakeboredom on Mon, 14 September 2020, 14:12:46
A v1 zealios would do for comparison if you have that. Although I hope it's a new stem design like you thought it might be, it would be great to have more options.It's my understanding that they are aiming for something in between MX Brown and Clear.
This is correct, with a leaning towards browns.They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
My question is about the spring.TX springs go by increments of 5 grams, so what's up with the 62g spring?
It's my understanding that this is a different stem than those actually, but I'm requesting more information as questions arise here.
Samples haven't been received yet, but when they are I'll have someone compare, since I dont personally have any of those at the moment.
The 14mm springs go by increments of 5, but technically there is a 62g variant as well (possibly 67 too?). Since these will be the newer 16mm, this weight is one of the default options.
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 14 September 2020, 15:35:15
They didn't specifically say they developed a new stem themselves, that means it's a Rara stem, or Everglide Jade is you prefer. Melgeek Ember, Crane tactile, Shogoki, all the same stem.
I'm surprised to learn that the Everglide Jade stem is a RARA. The first reason is, people talk about the Everglide Jade as a kind of copy of Zealio V1. Or at least resembling it.
Second, I have read that the 62 gr JWK RARA felt as though the spring was barely enough to actuate it, i.e. it should have a heavier spring.
And yet the Everglide Jade works just fine at 58 gr. Best of 3 weights I tested (also 60 and 62 gr). Is the success of the lower spring weight because the Everglide housing of the Jade is a linear housing, whereas the JWK housing is a tactile one?
Post by: Little4Real on Mon, 14 September 2020, 18:38:48
Post by: HungerMechanic on Mon, 14 September 2020, 20:59:27
A v1 zealios would do for comparison if you have that. Although I hope it's a new stem design like you thought it might be, it would be great to have more options.
Second that. A comparison to Zealio V1 would be most educational.
Post by: vaf1en on Tue, 15 September 2020, 05:35:02
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 15 September 2020, 07:46:14
With this whole vegan-hostile theme you have going, would it not be obvious with a beefier spring, say like 78g?
Is leather vegan hostile? lol :p
Post by: shimalazor on Tue, 15 September 2020, 07:46:58
Post by: directheatedtriode on Tue, 15 September 2020, 08:20:16
edit: caught up on page 2, SKCM orange and brown offer the more drawn out experience I like. Good luck with the GB!
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 15 September 2020, 08:31:35
Is this going to be GB only or a stocked item? I'm curious how they compare to SKCM orange and brown but not sure I want to make a blind purchase without any force curves or comparisons.
edit: caught up on page 2, SKCM orange and brown offer the more drawn out experience I like. Good luck with the GB!
You'd be hard pressed to find any mx switch similar in tactility to alps honestly.
These will be GB, but I'm sure some vendors may buy extras for in stock.
Post by: niakulah on Tue, 15 September 2020, 18:16:09
Definitely something to watch.
Post by: Rayndalf on Tue, 15 September 2020, 18:49:05
All the goodness of a spring swapped Cherry Brown, but none of the stigma?
Definitely something to watch.
For real though.
All the browns I've tried are "vintage" (Compaq 11800 and 1838, old Kinesis Advantage) but I think that moniker is just a way to keep other people from doubting my superior taste.
Browns with a slightly heavier spring but less friction probably feel similar but better anyway.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 September 2020, 19:26:56
62 Spirits, at least, are like a more forceful MX Blue spring. And Korean 62 G is more than enough to drive a U4 tactile stem [much more tactile than MX Brown].
So this may be overkill. 60G TX already might be more powerful than MX Brown springs. Maybe we should be looking at 60 G from the new line-up.
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 15 September 2020, 19:30:46
I'm not sure these are only "slightly" heavier than MX Brown springs.
62 Spirits, at least, are like a more forceful MX Blue spring. And Korean 62 G is more than enough to drive a U4 tactile stem [much more tactile than MX Brown].
So this may be overkill. 60G TX already might be more powerful than MX Brown springs. Maybe we should be looking at 60 G from the new line-up.
MX browns have a bottom out force of 60cn
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:19:56
Spirit springs are sometimes said to be heavier than, for example, TX springs of the same weight. Such as 65 gr.
I figure 60 G TX is at least more consistent than the spring in a Cherry Brown, which could place the operating weight a tiny bit higher than some batches.
Anyway, I'm just saying 62 is poppier than many might think. I got that impression from testing light tactiles recently.
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:39:34
Supposed to. I remembering reading that a lot of them bottomed out around 58. But that would have been different batches / different times.I think whats often overlooked is the impact that the tactile bump has on the perceived resistance. 62g tangies feel a lot lighter than 55g u4 outemu's. I doubt a difference of a couple of grams would change the feel as much as a different tactile bump - which is what I'm most interested to hear about. I'm all for a smoother MX Brown to be honest because I find them to be just tactile enough to prevent accidental key presses when typing but light enough for gaming.
Spirit springs are sometimes said to be heavier than, for example, TX springs of the same weight. Such as 65 gr.
I figure 60 G TX is at least more consistent than the spring in a Cherry Brown, which could place the operating weight a tiny bit higher than some batches.
Anyway, I'm just saying 62 is poppier than many might think. I got that impression from testing light tactiles recently.
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:43:06
A smoother MX Brown would be awesome. Something that might happen if this switch is leaning closer to Brown than Clear.
If that's the case, that's why I'm saying that 62 gr is poppy. 62 doesn't feel like it's 2 grams heavier than 60, it feels heavier or stronger.
So it might be overkill for a Brown-styled stem. But not a Clear stem, which 62 can often actuate pretty vigorously.
I'm not against 62 gr or anything, I'm just pointing out that it's heavy for a Brown stem. I use it with Clears and OUTEMU Sky / Silent Sky, and you can drive the latter with 60 TX without lube.
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:46:13
I think we're all on the same page here, in terms of what we want.Gotcha. If the stem ends up similar to a brown stem I would probably end up spring swapping for 45-50g anyway
A smoother MX Brown would be awesome. Something that might happen if this switch is leaning closer to Brown than Clear.
If that's the case, that's why I'm saying that 62 gr is poppy. 62 doesn't feel like it's 2 grams heavier than 60, it feels heavier or stronger.
So it might be overkill for a Brown-styled stem. But not a Clear stem, which 62 can often actuate pretty vigorously.
I'm not against 62 gr or anything, I'm just pointing out that it's heavy for a Brown stem. I use it with Clears and OUTEMU Sky / Silent Sky, and you can drive the latter with 60 TX without lube.
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:49:35
There is a chance I could offer an additional spring weight in the buy, but I'd like to get the samples in hand first and test a few. Based on speaking with quite a few people paired with the feedback on the form, it's looking like 55g is the most requested second weight currently though.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:57:34
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 15 September 2020, 20:58:36
It's my understanding that they are aiming for something in between MX Brown and Clear.
This is correct, with a leaning towards browns.
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Post by: niakulah on Wed, 16 September 2020, 00:24:36
Supposed to. I remembering reading that a lot of them bottomed out around 58. But that would have been different batches / different times.
Spirit springs are sometimes said to be heavier than, for example, TX springs of the same weight. Such as 65 gr.
I figure 60 G TX is at least more consistent than the spring in a Cherry Brown, which could place the operating weight a tiny bit higher than some batches.
Anyway, I'm just saying 62 is poppier than many might think. I got that impression from testing light tactiles recently.
On my 2nd board, I spring swapped my Cherry Brown to 80g (generic China spring). It was very nice, but it was cushioning the bottom out a bit too much for my tastes (not enough thock!).
On my current board I'm using 67g and I think it's just nice (for me).
Post by: chaoticgood on Sun, 20 September 2020, 23:05:47
With this whole vegan-hostile theme you have going, would it not be obvious with a beefier spring, say like 78g?says vegan-hostile and beefier in the same sentence icu :D :D :D
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 22 September 2020, 11:10:09
I just noticed that you said this will be the new 16mm spring from TX. I will advise you to note that those springs feel at least one weighting heavier than the 14mm (normal) springs. I've been testing 3 different weights (75g, 70g, and 67g). The 16mm/67g feel slightly heavier than the 14mm/70g springs at the top. That's the nature of these longer springs. You get more of the full force of the spring up front. What I'm saying is, if you like traditonal 62g linear springs (say somethign close to a gateron yellow), these 16mm springs will feel noticably heavier at the top. I like them... just warning.
16mm is currently tentative. Once samples are in hand, I'll be trying 16mm and 14mm of both 55g and 62g and see how they both feel. I was worried that 16mm might cause too much of a weight shift anyway, which is why I'm wanting to feel it out more. Especially considering the goal is a more ergonomic switch.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 22 September 2020, 11:10:45
Thoughts on adding TX films by default also? Most people take the time to film their JWK switches anyway.
There will be bundling options for films as well, I'm sure you'll be pleased when the buy goes live :)
Post by: RedJohn456 on Tue, 22 September 2020, 16:20:47
Post by: chaoticgood on Tue, 22 September 2020, 19:48:40
I just noticed that you said this will be the new 16mm spring from TX. I will advise you to note that those springs feel at least one weighting heavier than the 14mm (normal) springs. I've been testing 3 different weights (75g, 70g, and 67g). The 16mm/67g feel slightly heavier than the 14mm/70g springs at the top. That's the nature of these longer springs. You get more of the full force of the spring up front. What I'm saying is, if you like traditonal 62g linear springs (say somethign close to a gateron yellow), these 16mm springs will feel noticably heavier at the top. I like them... just warning.
16mm is currently tentative. Once samples are in hand, I'll be trying 16mm and 14mm of both 55g and 62g and see how they both feel. I was worried that 16mm might cause too much of a weight shift anyway, which is why I'm wanting to feel it out more. Especially considering the goal is a more ergonomic switch.
Will you be starting a discord server for the IC or GB phase?
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 22 September 2020, 20:50:04
I just noticed that you said this will be the new 16mm spring from TX. I will advise you to note that those springs feel at least one weighting heavier than the 14mm (normal) springs. I've been testing 3 different weights (75g, 70g, and 67g). The 16mm/67g feel slightly heavier than the 14mm/70g springs at the top. That's the nature of these longer springs. You get more of the full force of the spring up front. What I'm saying is, if you like traditonal 62g linear springs (say somethign close to a gateron yellow), these 16mm springs will feel noticably heavier at the top. I like them... just warning.
16mm is currently tentative. Once samples are in hand, I'll be trying 16mm and 14mm of both 55g and 62g and see how they both feel. I was worried that 16mm might cause too much of a weight shift anyway, which is why I'm wanting to feel it out more. Especially considering the goal is a more ergonomic switch.
Will you be starting a discord server for the IC or GB phase?
I will likely host a channel in a friends server, similar to Slasher
Post by: beigeandbrown on Tue, 22 September 2020, 23:19:34
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 23 September 2020, 01:52:15
I don't see many manufacturers doing it, and that probably applies here.
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 23 September 2020, 01:58:16
I agree with the sentiment about shipping disassembled switches. But the problem is, the individual switch components are much more vulnerable to bad package handling than an assembled switch. You can get some OUTEMU switches disassembled. But there are greater risks involved in the process.I can't agree more. I just recently purchased some Outemu housings and u4 stems and 2 of the leaves in the Outemu bases were bent. That will be the first and last time I buy switches that aren't assembled.
I don't see many manufacturers doing it, and that probably applies here.
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Post by: titanium on Wed, 23 September 2020, 04:40:52
I just noticed that you said this will be the new 16mm spring from TX. I will advise you to note that those springs feel at least one weighting heavier than the 14mm (normal) springs. I've been testing 3 different weights (75g, 70g, and 67g). The 16mm/67g feel slightly heavier than the 14mm/70g springs at the top. That's the nature of these longer springs. You get more of the full force of the spring up front. What I'm saying is, if you like traditonal 62g linear springs (say somethign close to a gateron yellow), these 16mm springs will feel noticably heavier at the top. I like them... just warning.
16mm is currently tentative. Once samples are in hand, I'll be trying 16mm and 14mm of both 55g and 62g and see how they both feel. I was worried that 16mm might cause too much of a weight shift anyway, which is why I'm wanting to feel it out more. Especially considering the goal is a more ergonomic switch.
The 16mm springs by TX look and feel similar enough to the sprit slow springs that its safe to assume (for me at least) that the actuation weight is increased by 5~ from the standard cherry springs that go by the formula: actuation weight +15 = bottom out weight.
With that said, 55g 16mm feels really similar to cherry brown spring which has a bottom out of 60g. If you are trying to stay around the cherry spring feel, I would wager either 55g or 57g 16mm, OR 62g 14mm are our candidates.
I have been a cherry brown believer for 8 years now and am running out of vints so I hope this project goes smoothly and tries to replicate the vint brown tactility. Modern browns have about 75% of a vintage browns tactility for those wondering(in my opinion).
Post by: HungerMechanic on Wed, 23 September 2020, 09:05:16
I've read that we've been doing Browns 'wrong' for decades. The vint Browns were smoother, and a little more tactile. So modern Browns are 'wrong' out-of-the-box. In addition, the vint Browns were often put in setups that were less rigid than the modern aluminium full-plate tray mount. They were in plateless or half-plate setups, or on bouncier plates that provided greater perceived tactility.
So it would be nice to replicate that 'vintage' set-up. If Oxblood is closer to vint Browns, for example, maybe you could put them in a JER-A06 or something.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 23 September 2020, 12:05:48
Once I have switches in hand I'll be testing lengths and weights for the springs side by side to determine what I personally like the most, and in addition the one that feels closest to my stock vintage browns.
Aiming for those 2 goals simply because my preferred setup is vint browns spring swapped with Sprit or TX 62g, but I know that a lot of vint brown users prefer to lube the spring to reduce ping and nothing else.
I just noticed that you said this will be the new 16mm spring from TX. I will advise you to note that those springs feel at least one weighting heavier than the 14mm (normal) springs. I've been testing 3 different weights (75g, 70g, and 67g). The 16mm/67g feel slightly heavier than the 14mm/70g springs at the top. That's the nature of these longer springs. You get more of the full force of the spring up front. What I'm saying is, if you like traditonal 62g linear springs (say somethign close to a gateron yellow), these 16mm springs will feel noticably heavier at the top. I like them... just warning.
16mm is currently tentative. Once samples are in hand, I'll be trying 16mm and 14mm of both 55g and 62g and see how they both feel. I was worried that 16mm might cause too much of a weight shift anyway, which is why I'm wanting to feel it out more. Especially considering the goal is a more ergonomic switch.
The 16mm springs by TX look and feel similar enough to the sprit slow springs that its safe to assume (for me at least) that the actuation weight is increased by 5~ from the standard cherry springs that go by the formula: actuation weight +15 = bottom out weight.
With that said, 55g 16mm feels really similar to cherry brown spring which has a bottom out of 60g. If you are trying to stay around the cherry spring feel, I would wager either 55g or 57g 16mm, OR 62g 14mm are our candidates.
I have been a cherry brown believer for 8 years now and am running out of vints so I hope this project goes smoothly and tries to replicate the vint brown tactility. Modern browns have about 75% of a vintage browns tactility for those wondering(in my opinion).
I've heard the same from quite a few people regarding the 55g, so I have high hopes for it as a second option.
I'm not sure what it may have been in the past, but 62g has always felt softer and lighter for me after swapping them in, but I'm hearing a lot of people say the opposite haha. Same for the tactility it seems. All of the vint browns I've used and owned have had a smoother and more rounded tactility than newer browns, even pre-lube.
Post by: chaoticgood on Thu, 24 September 2020, 02:07:52
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 24 September 2020, 04:14:44
Post by: crestia on Fri, 25 September 2020, 01:22:25
Any way to do full nylon housing?
would like to see a nylon top housing too... but interested nonetheless.
Post by: Contrakey on Fri, 25 September 2020, 12:32:21
Post by: Sandy on Sat, 03 October 2020, 16:29:44
Post by: Rayndalf on Thu, 22 October 2020, 02:50:18
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 22 October 2020, 03:54:09
Post by: lakeboredom on Thu, 22 October 2020, 14:55:46
I've got two different "all nylon" JWK switches and they feel and sound identical to ones with the supposedly PC top. I don't think the materials are different enough to compare like Cherry tops to Zeal. I'm kind of skeptical to believe they even use different materials ^-^Any way to do full nylon housing?
would like to see a nylon top housing too... but interested nonetheless.
Post by: Datastream on Fri, 23 October 2020, 02:28:57
Post by: Friendship on Fri, 23 October 2020, 10:24:23
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 24 October 2020, 07:41:06
For some reason I'm actually interested in these but would like to know more about the curve. Between brown and clear is rather vague.
These are going to be modeled more after Browns. Basically, it's an open secret that it's kind of an attempt to replicate the qualities of Vint Browns.
[Browns made with smoother plastics, much smoother molds, maybe greater stability, and a somewhat sharper bump to compensate for the greater smoothness. Something like that.]
Post by: RedJohn456 on Sat, 31 October 2020, 12:17:35
For some reason I'm actually interested in these but would like to know more about the curve. Between brown and clear is rather vague.
These are going to be modeled more after Browns. Basically, it's an open secret that it's kind of an attempt to replicate the qualities of Vint Browns.
[Browns made with smoother plastics, much smoother molds, maybe greater stability, and a somewhat sharper bump to compensate for the greater smoothness. Something like that.]
Have there been an announcements made about gb dates and such? I don't know their other socials like discord etc, dion't want to miss out on any announcements. Really looking forward to the switch.
Post by: LONGZILLA on Sat, 31 October 2020, 14:20:31
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 31 October 2020, 18:29:19
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Post by: dennisbrochill on Sat, 31 October 2020, 23:54:07
Post by: General_Pretzel on Sun, 15 November 2020, 12:31:45
Post by: dibstern on Sun, 15 November 2020, 18:19:39
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
Post by: King4477 on Sun, 15 November 2020, 18:22:39
Sick name haha.There is so much interest in this IC because the hard bump trend of the last two years has been played out. Many, like me, want something with a vintage brown feel and this seems to fit the bill.
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
Post by: Lyle88 on Sun, 15 November 2020, 18:26:32
Agreed. I'm only interested in this because it is a light tactile switch. There are already to many highly tactile switches on the market and those producers can work on improving their acoustics.Sick name haha.There is so much interest in this IC because the hard bump trend of the last two years has been played out. Many, like me, want something with a vintage brown feel and this seems to fit the bill.
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
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Post by: Muchacho on Mon, 16 November 2020, 07:05:54
Sick name haha.
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
You say we need them, but you don't say why.
The thing is with Holy Panda and Boba U4 out there, everyone who enjoy high tactility are already happy.
For those who enjoy light tactility there is nothing really great out there.
Post by: Fnzzy on Mon, 16 November 2020, 08:39:03
Sick name haha.
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
Any tactile switch in the past 2 years has tried to out-tactile the other one. There are plenty of options in lots of different colours for you if you want high tactility. In terms of light to medium tactility there is basically only MX Brown (and clones) and MX Clear. Now it seems people are finally going back to various degrees of tactility and I'm excited for it. I've been trying to find something like MX Clear but nothing really comes close. I've tried the naevies but they feel like a Speed Holy Panda to me with the even shorter travel distance. I'll definitely be picking a few of these up.
Post by: Datastream on Tue, 17 November 2020, 02:05:35
Post by: Nonnegaard on Tue, 17 November 2020, 02:15:02
Sick name haha.epic troll, friend.
But “A light and smooth bump” is sad.
We need tactile switch makers who love hard bumps but also really focus on the sound, we need to get linear sounding, highly tactile switches, IMO.
Post by: Nonnegaard on Wed, 16 December 2020, 19:50:20
Post by: vheissu on Thu, 17 December 2020, 01:12:53
Thread has been inactive for a month now. Not good. These switches deserve to exist.+1, very interested on this
Post by: Lyle88 on Thu, 17 December 2020, 01:17:35
Same here, ready to sell all these other switches I have so I can rebuild all my boards with the true pogchamp. Smooth, tight brownsThread has been inactive for a month now. Not good. These switches deserve to exist.+1, very interested on this
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Post by: mace8970 on Thu, 17 December 2020, 06:18:52
Post by: vi0till on Thu, 17 December 2020, 09:36:00
+1Same here, ready to sell all these other switches I have so I can rebuild all my boards with the true pogchamp. Smooth, tight brownsThread has been inactive for a month now. Not good. These switches deserve to exist.+1, very interested on this
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Post by: Ireris on Thu, 17 December 2020, 17:00:19
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Post by: asherw on Fri, 22 January 2021, 17:57:43
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Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 05 February 2021, 22:57:41
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Post by: azzipa on Sun, 07 February 2021, 08:49:17
Post by: RedJohn456 on Thu, 11 February 2021, 16:13:58
oxbloods still on my radar. i’ve been typing on kailh silent box browns recently and really enjoying them. new batch so alignment is good, no rattle, consistent feel, noticeable but not distracting bump for feedback. just read this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98778.0) on browns and felt the need to give oxbloods a bump.
Same here - been holding out for Oxbloods and I keep checking the thread at least once a week for updates lol.
Good to hear about silent box browns - I actually freaking love box browns, they are my fav light tactile but I hate how they become clicky after awhile. Does the silent one have an issue with becoming clicky over time? I have been looking for alternatives to the box brown but have not come across something that can replicate that tactile bump.
Post by: juarez.edward@gmail.com on Thu, 11 February 2021, 18:41:51
Post by: Aeterna on Fri, 12 February 2021, 05:23:41
Post by: dgneo on Fri, 12 February 2021, 05:39:30
Post by: funderburker on Fri, 12 February 2021, 05:41:25
dale u fk don’t let this project die
Strongly put but I must agree. We need Oxblood in our hands.
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 12 February 2021, 05:51:38
dale u fk don’t let this project dieCool your jets mate, unless you know dale personally? Keep it friendly, no-one wants to be abused by randoms on the internet
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Post by: HoodrowThrillson on Fri, 12 February 2021, 07:07:44
you must not be in the mechkeys discorddale u fk don’t let this project dieCool your jets mate, unless you know dale personally? Keep it friendly, no-one wants to be abused by randoms on the internet
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Post by: dgneo on Fri, 12 February 2021, 07:25:23
dale u fk don’t let this project dieCool your jets mate, unless you know dale personally? Keep it friendly, no-one wants to be abused by randoms on the internet
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sorry I know dale personally, didn’t mean for it to come off negative
Post by: azzipa on Fri, 12 February 2021, 11:07:02
oxbloods still on my radar. i’ve been typing on kailh silent box browns recently and really enjoying them. new batch so alignment is good, no rattle, consistent feel, noticeable but not distracting bump for feedback. just read this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98778.0) on browns and felt the need to give oxbloods a bump.
Same here - been holding out for Oxbloods and I keep checking the thread at least once a week for updates lol.
Good to hear about silent box browns - I actually freaking love box browns, they are my fav light tactile but I hate how they become clicky after awhile. Does the silent one have an issue with becoming clicky over time? I have been looking for alternatives to the box brown but have not come across something that can replicate that tactile bump.
Post by: Rx003 on Fri, 19 February 2021, 05:27:52
Post by: Beerbezerker on Sat, 20 February 2021, 03:39:33
Post by: Rocket on Fri, 05 March 2021, 16:35:57
Post by: actress on Fri, 05 March 2021, 23:41:26
<3
Post by: bobtheguitar on Sat, 06 March 2021, 14:57:21
Post by: chaoticgood on Thu, 18 March 2021, 17:31:50
Post by: lush_bunny on Thu, 18 March 2021, 19:09:31
knock knock, praying that this is still alive
same
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sun, 21 March 2021, 22:53:29
oxbloods still on my radar. i’ve been typing on kailh silent box browns recently and really enjoying them. new batch so alignment is good, no rattle, consistent feel, noticeable but not distracting bump for feedback. just read this thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=98778.0) on browns and felt the need to give oxbloods a bump.
Same here - been holding out for Oxbloods and I keep checking the thread at least once a week for updates lol.
Good to hear about silent box browns - I actually freaking love box browns, they are my fav light tactile but I hate how they become clicky after awhile. Does the silent one have an issue with becoming clicky over time? I have been looking for alternatives to the box brown but have not come across something that can replicate that tactile bump.
I recently read a report elsewhere of BOX Silent Browns becoming clicky after a while. I don't know if they were new batch or old batch.
It may have to do with lubing. Studies have revealed different lubing methods for different subtypes of BOX tactiles. Some BOX Browns receive an indiscriminate blob of lube, whereas certain subtypes such as "ART BOX Browns" appear to have a lesser amount, in a more consistent coating. This does have an impact on sound and tactility. Lube seems to be a factor in BOX Brown operation.
Post by: Harue on Tue, 23 March 2021, 18:07:32
Post by: slxdegrees on Tue, 23 March 2021, 20:29:25
Post by: funderburker on Wed, 24 March 2021, 12:46:56
yoyoyo when does this run i gotta know
Stick around here and follow Dale on his social networks but we all want to know.
Post by: mrkevint on Wed, 24 March 2021, 12:52:50
I've received a lot of notifications from this IC lately, but I haven't seen anything from Dale.
Is this project still alive and just on hold at the moment?
Post by: General_Pretzel on Thu, 25 March 2021, 11:04:36
Post by: azzipa on Thu, 25 March 2021, 14:04:49
Seriously. These have to run. Theyaresound like they will be perfect.
fify :thumb:
Post by: actress on Thu, 08 April 2021, 17:05:43
Post by: seh0nk on Thu, 08 April 2021, 18:14:23
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 April 2021, 18:34:28
Is this dead? Looking like other places are stocking this stem. :'(
Post by: iaman on Mon, 12 April 2021, 22:48:42
How similar are these to Pewters aside from spring weight?Pewters also have UHMWPE in their housing mix. Other than those two details, they seem to be the same type of JWK-made tactile.
Post by: Galk on Thu, 29 April 2021, 05:40:32
Post by: azzipa on Thu, 20 May 2021, 20:59:08
old school, like oxblood loafers
Post by: eibbun on Thu, 20 May 2021, 21:15:44
Post by: ryukomatoi on Thu, 20 May 2021, 22:51:53
Post by: RedJohn456 on Fri, 04 June 2021, 16:18:43
Would love to see a typing test if dale has any pre production samples in a board or something similar
Post by: WarlordGorguts on Sun, 25 July 2021, 15:05:17
Post by: General_Pretzel on Mon, 09 August 2021, 22:36:49
Post by: zea on Mon, 09 August 2021, 23:32:58
Post by: Lyle88 on Tue, 10 August 2021, 01:31:09
Screenshot: http://imgur.com/a/2tZDMaN
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Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 21 August 2021, 17:59:09
I will be ironing out some options that previously alluded me, but recently have become available.
Once this is fully confirmed I will update this thread with more information.
But be on the lookout for these in the near future.
We're not dead yet folks.
Post by: azzipa on Sat, 21 August 2021, 19:43:47
We're not dead yet folks.
there’s a hint of monty python here. and i’m really happy about it!
Post by: mcmcmc on Mon, 23 August 2021, 04:42:33
Post by: General_Pretzel on Wed, 13 October 2021, 22:35:20
"A note regarding Oxbloods
Because of my hardheadedness and my need to put out a light tactile I'm proud of,
I've decided to postpone their production so that I can work to create something truly custom and try to
recreate the feel of vintage browns with some tweaks. These are still on the way, but may pop up again
with some reworks on the name and design."
Link: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114759.msg3084907#msg3084907
Hopefully the color at least stays the same/similar. :/
Post by: HungerMechanic on Thu, 14 October 2021, 00:11:06
If you want the old OxBlood, you can almost get that with Durock Light Tactile and TX springs.
I haven't been all-that-impressed with Pewters or Durock Light Tactile, because of bad factory lube in the early Pewters, or bad spring choices in Durock Light Tactile. So I'm cool with skipping this current run and waiting for a better design. Pewters ain't vintage Browns.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sat, 23 October 2021, 00:59:36
This is potentially good news.
If you want the old OxBlood, you can almost get that with Durock Light Tactile and TX springs.
I haven't been all-that-impressed with Pewters or Durock Light Tactile, because of bad factory lube in the early Pewters, or bad spring choices in Durock Light Tactile. So I'm cool with skipping this current run and waiting for a better design. Pewters ain't vintage Browns.
Suppose now that I'm going fully custom with these, I can be more open about the goal of the project being a slight tweak and recreation of Vintage Browns.
With the community finally either realizing or coming to terms with the fact that browns at some point were great, and just served a purpose completely different than most people thought they did, it seems like much less of a detriment to the project.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 23 October 2021, 11:52:50
And with boards like the NCR-80 coming out, you can put them into a keyboard approximating a classic Cherry setup!
It would be really interesting to try something directly based on Vintage Browns. Browns get a lot of bad rap partly because of questionable advertising of being a 'tactile switch' when they're really a light ergo.
Post by: General_Pretzel on Mon, 17 January 2022, 10:42:24
Post by: Lyle88 on Thu, 12 May 2022, 22:14:48
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Post by: funderburker on Fri, 13 May 2022, 01:49:53
Still hoping to see these soon. Have been using browns, ceruleans and pewters but a better-brown with no lube would be my 1st choice
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 13 May 2022, 10:42:17
Still hoping to see these soon. Have been using browns, ceruleans and pewters but a better-brown with no lube would be my 1st choice
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I have some experience with Durock Light Tactile now, so I figure I should add it to the conversation.
I have tested DLT using stock springs, as well as TX replacements. I've tested stock Pewters, and also the new Cotton Candy, which is a factory-lubed and filmed nylon DLT.
The overall impression is that DLT-based designs are more tactile. You can watch the following Youtube video:
At 2:30, you can see that the Cotton Candy [~58 G spring, I think] requires more force than a Naevy 1.5. Now, the Naevy 1.5 is meant to be an Ergo Clear, although maybe a light one also at about 58 G.
A Cotton Candy will push down a Naevy 1.5 first. So this DLT-based design is more tactile, or heavier at about ~58 G than a light Ergo Clear.
This was my experience as well. It requires more initial force to depress a Durock Light Tactile than it does a Brown, or light Ergo Clear.
So Durock Light Tactile is on the heavier end of light-tactiles. It's sharp and snappy in my experience, barely lighter than a Durock Medium Tactile. [Although I think there's more 'negative space' after the tactile event in a DMT].
What this means is that DLT-based designs can possibly replicate what is remembered as 'Vintage Browns.' I don't know if the memory is accurate, having typed on very few of them. But DLT is more tactile than MX Brown, and of course smoother and with a tighter housing.
There is a significant disadvantage in sound, as Durock tactiles are often higher-pitched and more plasticy/empty-sounding than Cherry. [Face it, Cherry is godlike in housing sound. Durock is not.] They require lube, but even then I wasn't impressed by the high-pitched, chittery nature of Pewters. Cotton Candy rectifies this somewhat with nylon housings, and may be the best DLT.
So can you make Vint Browns out of DLT? I don't know. They will need nylon housings [probably], lube [from factory or otherwise], and 57-60 G springs [62 is Ergo Clear territory and 52-55 G springs might need some heft behind them].
The colour scheme of OxBlood fits a theme, so I wouldn't change it. They may need to come unlubed, since it's really hard [or expensive] to get good factory lube. Maybe as an option. You can get a good light tactile out of these, although I'm not completely sure it would be a Vint Brown. [The aesthetic can work].
I think that a real recreation of Vint Browns would essentially need to be a Cherry Brown without all the non-sense from worn tooling. So it would have to be like a freshly-retooled pre-Hyperglide MX Brown. [The Hyperglide housings have interference with Cherry profile, which surely isn't a characteristic of Vint Browns].
You could either commission this from Cherry [doubtful, but not impossible. Someone is allegedly doing a custom run with them right now]. Or ask JWK/Durock to copy MX Brown stem and put it in DLT [or even DMT] nylon housing with ~58 G spring. With Cherry-style factory lube, or option for no lube. This could be done in OxBlood colour scheme, I believe.
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 13 May 2022, 11:26:13
Option 1. would be smoother modern Browns. Just copy a circa 2010-2016 MX Brown stem and put it in a nylon Durock Light Tactile housing.
55 G 14-16mm TX or 57 G 15mm TX / and 62 G 14mm TX will cover the spring options.
Option 2. would be a smoother Vint Brown. Make an MX Brown stem that's 25% more tactile than today's Hyperglide Browns. Put it in a nylon Durock Light Tactile housing.
You could shift the spring options a little upwards from the previous example, in that case. [e.g. 55 G Long and 62 G 14mm should still be enough].
Post by: HungerMechanic on Fri, 13 May 2022, 11:54:06
Stock Durock/JWK 58.5 G springs are also pretty decent for the purpose. As are their 63.5 G springs in the Medium Tactile [e.g. Mode Signal].
Post by: actress on Fri, 13 May 2022, 17:44:23
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Post by: Lyle88 on Sat, 14 May 2022, 01:04:24
How do HG browns interfere with cherry caps? I've got them in my zenith and there doesn't seem to be any interference..?Still hoping to see these soon. Have been using browns, ceruleans and pewters but a better-brown with no lube would be my 1st choice
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I have some experience with Durock Light Tactile now, so I figure I should add it to the conversation.
I have tested DLT using stock springs, as well as TX replacements. I've tested stock Pewters, and also the new Cotton Candy, which is a factory-lubed and filmed nylon DLT.
The overall impression is that DLT-based designs are more tactile. You can watch the following Youtube video:
At 2:30, you can see that the Cotton Candy [~58 G spring, I think] requires more force than a Naevy 1.5. Now, the Naevy 1.5 is meant to be an Ergo Clear, although maybe a light one also at about 58 G.
A Cotton Candy will push down a Naevy 1.5 first. So this DLT-based design is more tactile, or heavier at about ~58 G than a light Ergo Clear.
This was my experience as well. It requires more initial force to depress a Durock Light Tactile than it does a Brown, or light Ergo Clear.
So Durock Light Tactile is on the heavier end of light-tactiles. It's sharp and snappy in my experience, barely lighter than a Durock Medium Tactile. [Although I think there's more 'negative space' after the tactile event in a DMT].
What this means is that DLT-based designs can possibly replicate what is remembered as 'Vintage Browns.' I don't know if the memory is accurate, having typed on very few of them. But DLT is more tactile than MX Brown, and of course smoother and with a tighter housing.
There is a significant disadvantage in sound, as Durock tactiles are often higher-pitched and more plasticy/empty-sounding than Cherry. [Face it, Cherry is godlike in housing sound. Durock is not.] They require lube, but even then I wasn't impressed by the high-pitched, chittery nature of Pewters. Cotton Candy rectifies this somewhat with nylon housings, and may be the best DLT.
So can you make Vint Browns out of DLT? I don't know. They will need nylon housings [probably], lube [from factory or otherwise], and 57-60 G springs [62 is Ergo Clear territory and 52-55 G springs might need some heft behind them].
The colour scheme of OxBlood fits a theme, so I wouldn't change it. They may need to come unlubed, since it's really hard [or expensive] to get good factory lube. Maybe as an option. You can get a good light tactile out of these, although I'm not completely sure it would be a Vint Brown. [The aesthetic can work].
I think that a real recreation of Vint Browns would essentially need to be a Cherry Brown without all the non-sense from worn tooling. So it would have to be like a freshly-retooled pre-Hyperglide MX Brown. [The Hyperglide housings have interference with Cherry profile, which surely isn't a characteristic of Vint Browns].
You could either commission this from Cherry [doubtful, but not impossible. Someone is allegedly doing a custom run with them right now]. Or ask JWK/Durock to copy MX Brown stem and put it in DLT [or even DMT] nylon housing with ~58 G spring. With Cherry-style factory lube, or option for no lube. This could be done in OxBlood colour scheme, I believe.
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Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 14 May 2022, 08:44:51
https://www.keebtalk.com/t/why-cherry-retooled-switches-can-bind-with-gmk-keycaps
Post by: actress on Sat, 14 May 2022, 09:52:16
Post by: HungerMechanic on Sat, 14 May 2022, 12:13:54
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Post by: funderburker on Sun, 15 May 2022, 13:21:35
Personally don't get the whole preinstalled TX Spring thing. Pretty much everyone is going take em apart to lube em anyways and it forces expensive springs that might not be exactly to personal preferences. I guess 62g is close enough for most people anyways and seems to be super popular.
Well, what would you rather like - have a good spring in by default or have a ****ty spring in there that you remove and just collect in some ziplock with an idea "I'll keep these if I ever run out" or something. The fact people will probably open up switches to lube'em doesn't impact the other fact that at least there's a good spring in there that most will actually use.
People have preferences, sure, but personally - I'd like to order switches that I only need to lube and not order one more thing & pay for one more shipping.
On other fact - if these ever land, cool. But I don't think these will be as hyped as Dale was planning in 2020. Just buy switches that are available, guys.
Post by: conternecticus on Sun, 15 May 2022, 22:53:27
Post by: treeleaf64 on Mon, 16 May 2022, 12:14:44
Still hoping to see these soon. Have been using browns, ceruleans and pewters but a better-brown with no lube would be my 1st choiceShow Image(https://emoji.tapatalk-cdn.com/emoji120.png)
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Never go no lube, maaan!
Why not : ) I like nothing on it Feeling switch is Happy switch.
Post by: Lyle88 on Wed, 21 September 2022, 02:37:20
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Post by: conternecticus on Thu, 22 September 2022, 19:36:34
Any update on these?
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From Dale's Discord:
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Oxblood Switches - Working with new manu on a linear to kick things off and fund custom stem molds for proper oxbloods. Thinking of a rename and rebrand of oxbloods as well though.
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Post by: J3ff_Leopard on Mon, 17 October 2022, 12:36:27
I might asking a really dumb question here but how to these compaire to say Azure Dragons?
Azure dragons exist, these don't. That's the only comparison point that matters.