[IC] GMK Classic Retro Zhuyin (GB 8/6/21 - 8/27/21)

[HoodrowThrillson]

GMK Classic Retro Zhuyin
GMK Cherry Profile

GB Date: August 6, 2021 - August 27, 2021


THRILL by Hoodrow Thrillson

Why
I've fallen in love with the OG vibes and I can't get up.

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Colors
Alphas: L9 Base, CR Legend
Mods: U9 Base, CR Legend

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Vendors? Pricing?

NA: Novelkeys
CA: Apex Keyboards
EU: My Keyboard
UK: Prototypist
Asia: zFrontier
SEA: Monokei
OCE: Daily Clack



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Kits?



Note: Windowed keys will be pad printed. "CHERRY" will be doubleshot, cherries will be pad printed. Black cherries (non windowed, 1Us) will be doubleshot.

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Collabs?
Maybe, not sure.

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Renders

THRILL - Hoodrow Thrillson



Polo - Marco



378 - Noxary Works

[of_sam]

Very nice Hoodrow. Thanks for putting out bangers.

[Jampot_298]

Hot

[gilbert]

Very nice Hoodrow, also love to see Marco's board!!

[ilikerustoo]

Happy to see this. Year of the classics!

[kbye]

I really like this. I have both WoB and BoW zhuyin sets and would definitely pick this up.

[Rejeckted]

I'm into it

[kidgoth]

kitting is really nice glwic

[mustardgreens]

I'm in. This is classic

[powwu]

now THIS, THIS is what I like to see. Perfect, no complaints. Now stop daring pngu to do weird ****

[hali]

i love this glwic

[keyboardkrill]

Definitely in on this.

[Kokaloo]

T H R I L L

[yoniwolf1202]

Love the cherry keys. Amazing set. This is it.

[Lil]

I'm thrilled

[I_V_I]

Great and clean looking set. Its like your favorite pair of pants - this set will fit everything.

[dededecline]

Hell yeah. Any chance for 3u bars?

[Vegas_]

simple & clean, very nice! GLWIC

[7empest]

This is stunning! Def interested

[Zeelobby]

Dooooope

[Bachoo]

I love beige

[whirlwind]

Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?

[kight]

This set is so hot... I want

I know this is a classic set, but I would love to see some trad. chinese mods too - maybe as an alt mod kit?

[kyuut]

very nice

[n.rdy]

Mod tilde. I’m in.

[BouncyChillups]

Definitely getting this

[ttom]

he does not miss

[scrubbiecris]

good stuff, glwic!

[keeganzero]

Very nice. 


Wish I had a board to use the led-window keycaps with.  Looks so good in the renders.

[Ulliam]

Yes please and thank you <3

[kaisn]

man 2021 is the year of beige I keep sayin it.

Im in

[HoodrowThrillson]

Very nice. 

Wish I had a board to use the led-window keycaps with.  Looks so good in the renders.

I have one on my board and it doesn't even light up.

Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?

No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.

Hell yeah. Any chance for 3u bars?

Ask away in the IC form.

This set is so hot... I want

I know this is a classic set, but I would love to see some trad. chinese mods too - maybe as an alt mod kit?

No. Classic Retro, to me, isn't just about using L9 and U9, it's the whole "what if Cherry made these sublegends available back then". (You can read more on that in the reply to whirlwind)

man 2021 is the year of beige I keep sayin it.

Im in

About damn time.

[directheatedtriode]

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[DERBS]

Yes please!

Also 3u bars PLS. IK IK Hiney ran a spacebars kit but it only comes with 1  (plus I missed GB :DDD)

edit: cant read

[kight]

Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?

No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.

This set is so hot... I want

I know this is a classic set, but I would love to see some trad. chinese mods too - maybe as an alt mod kit?

No. Classic Retro, to me, isn't just about using L9 and U9, it's the whole "what if Cherry made these sublegends available back then". (You can read more on that in the reply to whirlwind)

Understood and still in on a set

[Bunn3y]

Yes

[sirieous]

You son of a ***** I'm in.

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[mongoose27]

Another buy for me, love the classic look.

[treeleaf64]

Mm

[subcat]

Great stuff, if you could get the original cherry font on the windowed caps rather than GMK's stock one that would be absolutely incredible.

[Sup]

Can’t go wrong with beige.  also the base kit looks nice. Since it stock colors I hope the price is gonna be good.

[sup3r170va]

I’m in.

But pls consider icon-only mods, or an icon-only mods kit.
And an accent kit for ESC, enter, space, arrow keys.
Thanks.

[HungHingDaiLo]

Beige + Zhuyin is befittingly must buyin'!

Any chance having R2, R3 2x 1u mod color Cherry novelties for macro keys?

[whirlwind]

Sign me up. Any chance for Zhuyin mods kit?

No. To expand on this point, when I was in Taiwan I did find some boards with Zhuyin, but it differed amongst brands and was not really standardized. I do not want to create something out of thin air and have grammatical errors or something much more grave. Rather my goal was to #1 utilize the Zhuyin molds Novelkeys and I had made with the success of the Zhuyin Alphas and #2 to create something that was in line with other OG Cherry sets. I'm not overly well versed in the OG Cherry space but most (if not all) of what I've seen have had English mods.

Perfectly understandable, thank you for the detailed reply. 

[Baka Bot]

Im over the moon for this

[crestia]

yes zhuyin lets go

[ocm]

Go Hoody go <3

[Rob27shred]

HoodrowThrillson strikes again! Awesome set!

[tanghus]

I'm drowning in beige sets, I must own them all.

Any chance of an alpha only kit?

[actress]

+1 to alpha only kit. I think by the time the gb starts most of the people who like the classic sets will own the mod colors already.

[HoodrowThrillson]

Beige + Zhuyin is befittingly must buyin'!

Any chance having R2, R3 2x 1u mod color Cherry novelties for macro keys?

Possibly. Please let me know in the IC form so I can keep track of the number of people asking.

I’m in.

But pls consider icon-only mods, or an icon-only mods kit.
And an accent kit for ESC, enter, space, arrow keys.
Thanks.

Can't call it classic or classic retro if it's icon only (but that's just me). Also, I'm not too fond of offering too make kits.

Red accents (like the grailed red cherry key) are in consideration.

+1 to alpha only kit. I think by the time the gb starts most of the people who like the classic sets will own the mod colors already.

But then there are people that don't have the mods already. Also, having just the beige alphas as a standalone is an idea but I'm not too keen on it. I'm trying to keep the number of kits relatively low.

[IMZO]

This is a must buy set for me.

[directheatedtriode]

BTW is stepped control really a thing? I just can't imagine pressing a stepped key on a mod that is used fairly often, just seems weird. All I can think of it being of use is for aesthetic reasons. Maybe I just haven't been paying close enough attention on other kits.

[lunr]

oooh i like that stepped ctrl key

[HoodrowThrillson]

I've gone through the IC form and here are some suggestions with my answers.

But first, some things moving forward.

R5 is here to stay.
Side printed Sys Rq and Break will be added.

Make the standard bottom row R4 like OG cherry (OG Cherry didn't have R5 1.25U) - no, R5 for everyone!

Removing R5 - no, R5 is here to stay, I like R5 and I run things I like.

R0 support - I dont like R0 so no R0.

40s related keys - Sorry, if you're in 40s discord, you know my reasons

3U bars - This I can get behind and will consider

Zhuyin mods - no.

Icon only mods - no.

R4 kit - no.

Zhuyin monolegends - sorry, not considering that at this moment.

A combination of moving around the cherry kit where windowed keys end up in base kit and more cherry keys get added - Okay, this I've thought about and think it's possible. But I'm not sure if people will be onboard with the idea.

Here is my idea: a **** ton of cherry keys as a stand alone kit (4x row 1, 2x row 2,3,4,5) then add cherry enter novelty and windowed keys to base kit.
Pro: cherry keys for everyone!
Con: Base kit prices increase, people tend to not use windowed keys.

I'm inclined to keep it as it is, but your responses on the IC form will determine that.

[Xanira]

yes i do like it

[LightningXI]

I've gone through the IC form and here are some suggestions with my answers.

But first, some things moving forward.

R5 is here to stay.
Side printed Sys Rq and Break will be added.

Make the standard bottom row R4 like OG cherry (OG Cherry didn't have R5 1.25U) - no, R5 for everyone!

Removing R5 - no, R5 is here to stay, I like R5 and I run things I like.

R0 support - I dont like R0 so no R0.

40s related keys - Sorry, if you're in 40s discord, you know my reasons

3U bars - This I can get behind and will consider

Zhuyin mods - no.

Icon only mods - no.

R4 kit - no.

Zhuyin monolegends - sorry, not considering that at this moment.

A combination of moving around the cherry kit where windowed keys end up in base kit and more cherry keys get added - Okay, this I've thought about and think it's possible. But I'm not sure if people will be onboard with the idea.

Here is my idea: a **** ton of cherry keys as a stand alone kit (4x row 1, 2x row 2,3,4,5) then add cherry enter novelty and windowed keys to base kit.
Pro: cherry keys for everyone!
Con: Base kit prices increase, people tend to not use windowed keys.

I'm inclined to keep it as it is, but your responses on the IC form will determine that.

Glad we're keeping R5. Bless the people who see the beauty of it.

3u bars will become the new meta! Interested to see this pan out myself.

I think keeping the "novelties" such as Cherry caps and windowed stuff separate from the base is the most prudent thing to do to keep the base nice and clean.

Also, I'd be interested in the "**** ton of Cherry keys"

Good addressing of feedback here, overall.

[actress]

I would love blue or red sublegends on the alphas.
Also glad the mods are icon + text

[NorrittMTG]

This set is absolute fire! Solid work!

[ligongduck]

I a sucker for vintage looking keycap set.

[zoo]

the "Unnamed Keyboard - Marco" piques my interest o.O

[derpturtle]

oh yeah its gamer time

[snelltrail]

More beige always good, more subs always good, more R5 always good.

I wouldn't mind seeing 3u bars in the spacebar kit.

I love Hoodrow <3

[marcofriedrichs]

the "Unnamed Keyboard - Marco" piques my interest o.O

Glad you like it! This seems like a good opportunity to shamelessly plug my discord (the link under my profile picture). It's still in an early stage though

[guill3m]

My only issue with the set is the UK-ISO support. As it stands at the moment, you would end up with 2 and 3 without sublegends when using UK-ISO, making the Zhuyin part incomplete.

Should the UK 2 and 3 also get the corresponding ㄉ and ˇ sublegends?
Either that or drop UK in favour of Terminal ISO.

[HoodrowThrillson]

My only issue with the set is the UK-ISO support. As it stands at the moment, you would end up with 2 and 3 without sublegends when using UK-ISO, making the Zhuyin part incomplete.

Should the UK 2 and 3 also get the corresponding ㄉ and ˇ sublegends?
Either that or drop UK in favour of Terminal ISO.

So I will admit, I made an error by not creating the molds for these the first time around.

I will need to discuss with Mike about the creation of these molds, since I do not want to keep our EU brothers from enjoying this set.

[wholypantalones]

✓ beige
✓ text and icon mods
✓ led and cherry caps

Definitely interested.

[Newsbusel]

This is so good...

[EdgeOfInfinity]

litty

[lac29]

I'm in on this and virtually any variation on Zhuyin.

[Zach]

beige so lit. looking forward to this

[Sck]

There has to be ONE good GMK Set out of 100 and it's this!

[kibou store]

<3

[$W4GK!NG]

Man I wish more people do windowed step caps, if this set goes live when I can cop, I shall cop

[Nuclear Nachos]

very nice

[hpkb]

Cherry and shinethrough so good

[leuke-naam]

Not sure how I feel about that stepped ctrl key

[Senbeii]

Great new colorway to mix in with the wob and bow thats out there already. GLWIC 

[gnho]

Would love to buy mods only to use with thé zhuyin sets I already have.

[Eastji]

I could not ask for more out of a GMK set right now. Bless this IC and great stuff as always Mr. Hoodrow.

[hexa]

Classic retro so timeless. Thanks for this, looking forward to jumping in on it.

[gnho]

Is it possible to have a mod only set for R1 buyers?

[LAWSON]

I'm in for this one, I've been looking for a nice zhuyin keycap set for a while - hope there'll be a Canada vendor!

[Dyto69]

Im so in, cant miss shinethrough caps and scroll lock

[HoodrowThrillson]

Is it possible to have a mod only set for R1 buyers?

Sadly no. Also R1 colors would not match this since different color codes.

I'm in for this one, I've been looking for a nice zhuyin keycap set for a while - hope there'll be a Canada vendor!

Of course. There will be more progress on this once I finish up some other projects (primarily GMK Shinethrough)

[HappyB0T]

Wow - Zhuyin alphas look fantastic! In for at least 1 Cherry / Shine through.

[HoodrowThrillson]

I will say, one thing I am considering is the inclusion of 3U spacebars for Type K.

Since the "Classic Retro" colorway is pretty common (and with various other sets rocking the same colors), I expect people will be on the hunt for 3U spacebars for their Type K.

Once I get around to fixing some other things, I will post another IC where that will be one of the questions.

However, I will say, regardless of the results, I am tempted to preemptively include it as if this layout takes off, I want to be on the forefront of it rather than behind it (similar in fashion to the additional B for Alice, etc.)

[LightningXI]

I'm excited for 3u spacebars to become a thing.

Even for split spacebar bottom row, the symmetry of a 3u 1u 3u section that replaces the 7u spacebar will look great.

[HoodrowThrillson]

I'm excited for 3u spacebars to become a thing.

Even for split spacebar bottom row, the symmetry of a 3u 1u 3u section that replaces the 7u spacebar will look great.

As far as I know, that's not a common split space set up, but with the introduction of the Type K. I suspect it'll normalize and popularize the 3u spacebar movement, thus me wanting to include them pre-emptively. By the time you get your GMK set an entire year after GB, there might be a handful of boards that have it.

[DERBS]

I'm excited for 3u spacebars to become a thing.

Even for split spacebar bottom row, the symmetry of a 3u 1u 3u section that replaces the 7u spacebar will look great.

As far as I know, that's not a common split space set up, but with the introduction of the Type K. I suspect it'll normalize and popularize the 3u spacebar movement, thus me wanting to include them pre-emptively. By the time you get your GMK set an entire year after GB, there might be a handful of boards that have it.

I'm doing my part for the 3u movement

[macclack]

Yes

[Senbeii]

Im in.

[shansoft]

As someone who use zhuyin daily, this is a must buy. 

[Xeryn]

Here is my idea: a **** ton of cherry keys as a stand alone kit (4x row 1, 2x row 2,3,4,5) then add cherry enter novelty and windowed keys to base kit.
Pro: cherry keys for everyone!
Con: Base kit prices increase, people tend to not use windowed keys.

Really into this idea. I'm more in it for the cherry enter and windowed key in the base kit.

glwic!

[johnny__whitewalker]

fire

[poofywater]

Will Zhuyin monolegends ever be considered for future builds? I love zhuyin

[dirtegg]

any consideration for adding 1.5u super keys?

[ai06L]

As a china man, I must say, this is amazing, definitely a must-buy! The thrill also looks really nice!

[koalacha]

Interested

[HoodrowThrillson]

This set will start to see some movement as the GB I was running has ended.

Some minor updates and tweaks, then off to pricing

[LightningXI]

big pog

[Zeelobby]

Nice

[Vadurr]

Love this.

[chewnior]

very nice 

[futurecrime]

Hi this is good ****.

[Magnificent Bureaucrat]

Beige, sub-legends I don't understand and ISO UK in base kit. This is very much relevant to my interests.

[chung]

 

[UGunaLOSE]

This looks nice! Watching with interest

[HoodrowThrillson]

Updated renders, more or less final kitting.

Getting GB date then onto pricing and what not.

Not really tempted to run deskmats or anything.

My only idea is to turn this photo I took in Taiwan into a deskmat.

[dimo]

I think some subtle beige deskmats could be nice to have, but the picture is really beautiful and I thought I'd try test how it'd look if it took the theme of the set. color tweaking necessary ofc :-)

[summerteas]

i'm 100% in on the set, but i think having chiang kai-shek memorial hall for a deskmat is a little too on the nose (although the photo is beautiful).

perhaps some illustrations of things taiwan is known for could work? street food, night markets, artisan crafting, etc. otherwise, using imagery from the historic buildings on dihua street might be nice if you wanted to go for that retro/beige look.

[HoodrowThrillson]

i'm 100% in on the set, but i think having chiang kai-shek memorial hall for a deskmat is a little too on the nose (although the photo is beautiful).

perhaps some illustrations of things taiwan is known for could work? street food, night markets, artisan crafting, etc. otherwise, using imagery from the historic buildings on dihua street might be nice if you wanted to go for that retro/beige look.

I'm quite fond of using a photo I took in Taiwan, strictly because anyone can just google what Taiwan looks like and whip up an illustration. A photo captures what I got to experience when I was there.

We'll see, I got like 1000 Taiwan photos I haven't filtered through.

[summerteas]

I'm quite fond of using a photo I took in Taiwan, strictly because anyone can just google what Taiwan looks like and whip up an illustration. A photo captures what I got to experience when I was there.

We'll see, I got like 1000 Taiwan photos I haven't filtered through.

that's fair, looking forward to seeing what you come up with!

[HappyB0T]

i'm 100% in on the set, but i think having chiang kai-shek memorial hall for a deskmat is a little too on the nose (although the photo is beautiful).

perhaps some illustrations of things taiwan is known for could work? street food, night markets, artisan crafting, etc. otherwise, using imagery from the historic buildings on dihua street might be nice if you wanted to go for that retro/beige look.

I'm quite fond of using a photo I took in Taiwan, strictly because anyone can just google what Taiwan looks like and whip up an illustration. A photo captures what I got to experience when I was there.

We'll see, I got like 1000 Taiwan photos I haven't filtered through.

I think this is a cool idea

[HoodrowThrillson]

Since this project's launch date is close(r) than before. I've decided to revisit the kitting.

Things I will be weighing (please speak up if you hold an opinion):

Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy

Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.

Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.

Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).

Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.

Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often

I just want to note that I don't plan on removing all of these keys. Where cuts are made, some additions could be made. I just want to offer a base kit that isn't overloaded with keys not commonly used while having it compatible with a lot of layouts (kind of contradictory but I hope you understand the idea). I won't be able to appease everyone but I want to make sure that the base kit I present is something that can be offered within the range that we're used to from GMK sets.

Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now

[LightningXI]

Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy

Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.

Personally, willing to pay a little bit more just to get these properly done. I think there is high importance in ensuring that the first run of such keys ends up with inclusive compatibilty.

Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.

KA1953 was made during a time when R5 (specifically 1.25u modifier keys) was not fully compatible. I see no reason to revert to R4. I really think that R5 should be the norm / pushed for (at least) now that it is in fact all possible for compatibility.

Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).

Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.

No particular opinion on these as they don't pertain to my range of interests for layouts.

Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often

Frankly, removing it is fine, as I just use the one with "Caps Lock" legend even though I ALWAYS map that key to Control.

Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now

Would be extremely THRILLed (ha-ha, get it?), if this were done. I am +1 for this.

[hali]

edit: i should probably answer everything i can while i'm here

Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy

Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.

uk zhuyin doesn't make much sense to me because it's not a real layout. i think iso should be left as terminal for this set.

Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.

not much opinion here, if it's not too expensive to have full r5 then that would be cool

Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).

assuming this historical data is referring to an addon kit, it's usually combined with other things like gk64 shift, 660 shift, nav keys, windowed keys, etc that brings the cost of the kit up to the $30-$50 range. i think with enough cuts in other areas (2u shift, r3 pg up, r4 pg dn, 00 come to mind), it would be very possible to put 3-key 40s in base.

Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.

i'm no expert, but afaik the only boards that use off-center 6u are winkey layout cherry 1800s, which also require seven r5 1u keys for proper physical compatibility. i don't think it's worth supporting.
most razer boards are 6u centered. the others use 6.25u, including that new 65% thing

Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often

would probably not be worth keeping considering how much base is going to cost anyways

Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now

please do

also can we get text only numpad enter

[kbye]

Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often

I agree with this one. It might be a preference thing, but for boards where I map CTRL to CAPSLOCK, I always use the non-stepped version because it's a frequently used key.

[westway]

Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy

I personally don't use ISO, but I think it's important that this layout is fully supported. I would keep them.

Creation of 3 molds with sublegends for the 3 ISO keys
Reason: Because those don't exist yet
Con: Added cost to overall set to appease a small group of people, considering the largest market is the United States, it would be hard to justify going above and beyond.

Same as above.

Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.

I am absolutely against this. I personally like that retro sets come out with R5. Plus, GMK KA1953 compatibility wasn't the best.

Addition of the 3 keys for 40s support
Reason: it's only 3 keys to appease a small subset of the hobby
Con: Historical data shows that even with a full fledge base kit, they sold very little (could be due to high cost of that + base combined). Each additional key adds cost that is ultimately paid for by the end user (you).

I don't have an opinion on this since I am not in 40% boards. Maybe create a small separate kit?

Removal of 6U off centered spacebar
Reason: Only used for those odd ball OEM keyboards, I don't know anyone putting GMK keycaps on their RAZER BLACKWIDOW V3 MINI HYPERSPEED Wireless 65% Mechanical Gaming Keyboard with Razer Chroma™ RGB
Con: Honestly this would probably affect a super small subset of the community. However, I don't know any custom keyboard that uses a off centered spacebar. If someone can school me on this, that will be greatly appreciated.

Same as above. I've never used it personally.

Removal of the stepped Control
Reason: People told me they don't use it, I don't see it that often
Con: People told me they use it, I don't see it that often

I personally use it on HHKB layout and prefer it over the standard R3 control. I would keep it.

Modification of Cherry enter key (closer to KA1953, make the cherry red and green)
Reason: OG vibes
Con: Cherry might just tell me now

I would have proposed it before reading your updates. Huge plus.

[tanghus]

Man, as an ISO-user who prefer stepped caps lock, I feel targeted.

That said, I like the set enough to buy it anyway.

[Magnificent Bureaucrat]

Since this project's launch date is close(r) than before. I've decided to revisit the kitting.

Things I will be weighing (please speak up if you hold an opinion):

Removal of the 3 ISO keys that don't have sublegends (numbers 1, 2, 3 keys)
Reason: They don't have sublegends
Con: ISO people won't be happy

As an ISO user I'd be totally happy to take those keys without sublegends. It's not like they'd be the only keys without them. (tilde, brackets, +/=)

[sup3r170va]

Revert standard bottom row to R4 (so bottom row kitting is more similar to KA1953)
Reason: KA1953 is like that
Con: Only one I can imagine is if someone wanted to use standard bottom row with R5. Might be some compat issues that use a mixture of this and the other R5 keys for the bottom row. Also additional cost associated with it.

OK with everything except this. I think we should have full bottom row R5, including the 1.25u mods.

Also, if stepped control is removed, is there an option for a 1.75u enter key to supplement the 3-key 40s kit?

[HoodrowThrillson]

Thanks everyone so far for your opinions, I'll create a proper form when I have the motivation to do so (maybe this long weekend?).

I'll also clarify the "bottom row like KA1953" comment, since I meant offering R4 and R5 support similar to that.

[sup3r170va]

Thanks everyone so far for your opinions, I'll create a proper form when I have the motivation to do so (maybe this long weekend?).

I'll also clarify the "bottom row like KA1953" comment, since I meant offering R4 and R5 support similar to that.

thanks. I presume you mean the 1.5u/1u/1.5u/etc bottom row would be R5, and the 1.25u/1.25u/1.25u/etc bottom row would be R4 right?
I still prefer for a full R5 for the bottom row. For one, you save 3 keys - left, bottom and right arrow keys - which can be used for other keys as needed.

[HoodrowThrillson]

Kitting questions can be found here: https://forms.gle/Mg1Tahjna9z4rm1j8

Looking for everyone's feedback.

I will be reaching out to some EU friends to help me work through the ISO key stuff.

If someone knows what other keyboards use a 6U off centered spacebar, please let me know.

[Dr_Bond]

LOVE the cherry icon add-on kit, will get if either black or colored red/green. Maybe both?

[HoodrowThrillson]

IC updated with final kitting

Removed UK ISO, yes I love supporting all layouts but since the UK-ISO variant of Zhuyin doesn't exist and since I wanted to offer this set as a "what if", it wouldn't make sense.

Removed stepped control, strong support for this one, I'm guessing because HHKB uses full control

Addition of the 3 40s keys, self explanatory. Y'all better buy a set or two.

Removal of 6U off centered, since no one could really offer me something concrete, I've yeeted it.

One thing that may change is the Cherry enter key. I will see if they're willing to do the red/green variant, but it's up to Cherry for that one. If they can offer it, I'd like to offer both options.

Also, updated renders (Thrill got a facelift since I first posted the IC)

[LightningXI]

IC updated with final kitting

Removed UK ISO, yes I love supporting all layouts but since the UK-ISO variant of Zhuyin doesn't exist and since I wanted to offer this set as a "what if", it wouldn't make sense.

Removed stepped control, strong support for this one, I'm guessing because HHKB uses full control

Addition of the 3 40s keys, self explanatory. Y'all better buy a set or two.

Removal of 6U off centered, since no one could really offer me something concrete, I've yeeted it.

One thing that may change is the Cherry enter key. I will see if they're willing to do the red/green variant, but it's up to Cherry for that one. If they can offer it, I'd like to offer both options.

Also, updated renders (Thrill got a facelift since I first posted the IC)

Great changes. Count me in.

Just need to fix one of the kit image links and you're good, cap'n.

[HoodrowThrillson]

IC updated with final kitting

Removed UK ISO, yes I love supporting all layouts but since the UK-ISO variant of Zhuyin doesn't exist and since I wanted to offer this set as a "what if", it wouldn't make sense.

Removed stepped control, strong support for this one, I'm guessing because HHKB uses full control

Addition of the 3 40s keys, self explanatory. Y'all better buy a set or two.

Removal of 6U off centered, since no one could really offer me something concrete, I've yeeted it.

One thing that may change is the Cherry enter key. I will see if they're willing to do the red/green variant, but it's up to Cherry for that one. If they can offer it, I'd like to offer both options.

Also, updated renders (Thrill got a facelift since I first posted the IC)

Great changes. Count me in.

Just need to fix one of the kit image links and you're good, cap'n.

Noticed that when I was looking for something, thanks!

I'm talking with Cherry regarding the logo usage, if possible I will opt to use all vintage logos for this set (since, this is Classic Retro).

[hali]

Please change R4 |\ key to >< for terminal ISO. It makes legend compatibility better for most ISO layouts

[Cujo26]

Can't wait for this to go live!

[lys.nordique]

Please change R4 |\ key to >< for terminal ISO. It makes legend compatibility better for most ISO layouts

+1

[HoodrowThrillson]

Please change R4 |\ key to >< for terminal ISO. It makes legend compatibility better for most ISO layouts

This can be done

(after all these sets, I still don't understand ISO)

[HoodrowThrillson]

Kits are done, Cherry approval received, renders update.

Time for quotes

[stomaha]

Can't wait for this.

[segami]

Wow! Great updates. This is an easy cop

[Diggidy]

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[Fraaaan]

Definitely picking this up. Very hot.

[stomaha]

Any hope for an R1 equals (=) key so we can use this on compact 1800 boards like Zambumon's Sar?

[Suavity]

Would love to see an R1 '=' key as well!

Pog set.

[subieboobies]

100% in for this, keen

[HappyB0T]

Any chance of an alpha only kit?

+1 to alpha only

[directheatedtriode]

Just curious if there is any pricing info yet? Thanks

[HoodrowThrillson]

1) Kitting is final, this set has been in IC for like half a year and no one brought it up to my attention.
2) No alpha only kit.

If anyone needs an expansion on these things, please let me know. (The no alpha only kit is a part of a large conversation I've been having with myself)

Oh, pricing. I have Novelkeys's (Novelkeys'?) pricing, was gonna wait to get everyone's before posting up in the original post but here it is for anyone super antsy or impatient.

Base: $130
Shinethrough: $35
Spacebars: $25

Go bananas.

[Diggidy]

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[Fraaaan]

I'd prefer having a base kit rather than alphas only. I guess you could poll it but consider not screwing over the people who don't have a beige GMK set already. Maybe having both a base kit and an alpha kit would be best of both worlds if that's possible.

Either way, I'm happy to pay $130 for a great base kit with R5. Awesome job, Hoodrow!

[GLOVE]

Classic design

[HoodrowThrillson]

I own a set of KA1953 with the OG Cherry stuff, the whole 9.

I could have made this an alpha only kit, but this would have hindered people who don't already have KA1953. KA1953 is now OOS from my quick looksy on Taobao, so this would have hindered those people.

There's pro cons to offering both an alpha kit + a full base kit, and I had made up my mind very early on.

[LightningXI]

I'm all in. Great kits. Nice prices.

[HappyB0T]

Really appreciate the way you elicit feedback and make changes to ICs. Well done! I'm all in.

[of_sam]

All in. Let's go.

[HoodrowThrillson]

Really appreciate the way you elicit feedback and make changes to ICs. Well done! I'm all in.

I really do take the time to read everyone's feedback (unless I miss it, which does happen).

I feel like it's important to consider everyone's opinion and logically work through them. What's the point of an IC without reading the feedback?

[Lil]

Any hope of extending the GB date one day to the 28th?

[HoodrowThrillson]

Any hope of extending the GB date one day to the 28th?

These dates are locked in.

Also, small update, pricing is up (missing one vendor)

[yoshifan151]

Very hyped for this. Love the use of / and * in the numpad.

[TheInverseKey]

Def in!

[whatoe]

Updated renders, more or less final kitting.

Getting GB date then onto pricing and what not.

Not really tempted to run deskmats or anything.

My only idea is to turn this photo I took in Taiwan into a deskmat.

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As a Taiwanese, I didn't see any issue with the kits. You did a great job and I’m definitely in.
However, I don’t think making a deskmat for Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall is a good idea. Please take some time to learn more about the history of Taiwan and you’ll know why it’s controversial.

[Jefff]

GMK Classic Retro Zhuyin
GMK Cherry Profile

GB Date: August 6, 2021 - August 27, 2021

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THRILL by Hoodrow Thrillson

Why
I've fallen in love with the OG vibes and I can't get up.

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Colors
Alphas: L9 Base, CR Legend
Mods: U9 Base, CR Legend

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Vendors? Pricing?

NA: Novelkeys
CA: Apex Keyboards
EU: My Keyboard
UK: Prototypist
Asia: zFrontier
SEA: Monokei
OCE: Daily Clack

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Kits?

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Note: Windowed keys will be pad printed. "CHERRY" will be doubleshot, cherries will be pad printed. Black cherries (non windowed, 1Us) will be doubleshot.

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Collabs?
Maybe, not sure.

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Renders

THRILL - Hoodrow Thrillson

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Polo - Marco

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378 - Noxary Works

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Beautiful set! is Classic Retro Cyrillic still happening?

[HoodrowThrillson]

Updated renders, more or less final kitting.

Getting GB date then onto pricing and what not.

Not really tempted to run deskmats or anything.

My only idea is to turn this photo I took in Taiwan into a deskmat.

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As a Taiwanese, I didn't see any issue with the kits. You did a great job and I’m definitely in.
However, I don’t think making a deskmat for Chiang Kai-shek Memorial Hall is a good idea. Please take some time to learn more about the history of Taiwan and you’ll know why it’s controversial.

No deskmat is being made for this (I did learn about the history of the Memorial Hall, my friend let me know).

Beautiful set! is Classic Retro Cyrillic still happening?

Maybe, maybe not. Not to be rude but, do you want a base kit with no barred or scooped F and J? Because if I choose to drop everything and run it, it won't have barred or scooped F and J (I use barred F and J.....)

In other news, I have pricing on all vendors.

[heyman]

R5 is beige soul!

[Kira]

Wow this is finally happening! =D