[IC] The DO60 PCB - update 2018 Jan 23

[sennin32]

Hi guys!
We're  we're Doyu Studio and I'm sennin32.
We're too busy to launch this project this year although we've already edited it.

Support layouts : http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1bef8bf2784f5d009c96665a19bfc5e

Update 2018 Jan 23 :
GB Launched!
Geekhack link : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=93685.0
GB Link : https://shopkey.doyustudio.com/001pcb60s

Pic of prototyping :





More pics : https://imgur.com/a/Rb8hf
end of Update 2018 Jan 23 :

Update 2017 DEC 11 :
We found ws2812b is too sensitive to temperature.
First sampling is using normal setting while smt processing.
Makes the failure rate too high.
We're going to make second batch and change the setting.
end of Update 2017 DEC 11 :


Do your own GH60 now! if you never have one before.

IC Link : https://goo.gl/forms/yZyEVn9wiEkqli392

This will be the layout support by final design


We'll also make aluminum plate with anodized.
Makes your project colorful.

Features:
1. Available for standard arrows
2. Keep Shift on the right hand
3. Won't change alpha layout
4. USB Type C
5. RGB underglow LEDs presoldered
6. Both work with ANSI and ISO
7. Switches light support
8. Gold plated soldering pads
9. Split spacebar, support both Filco type 3u Spacebar and 2.75u Keycap
10. SMD parts pre-soldered
11. 3u sacebar*2, use them evenly.
12. QMK ready
13. alpha shifted support

Processing:
Plate Prototyping Processing
add one more extra keys on the right of sapce bar, let 6.25u with arrow
PCB Prototyping Finished, https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91773.msg2531169#msg2531169
Manufacturer Plate
Manufacturer PCB
Case design Check it out here : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92790.0

About manufacturing:
Takes around 2 months to manufacture

Pricing:
PCB : $30 Looking for higher quantity, and make the price as low as $25
Plate : $17 each Hope we can do it with only $12 after higher quantity
Stabilizer : $6 each for 7*2u and 1*6.25u

[sennin32]

Update :
2017 OCT 19th
We're modifying PCB for some layouts and RGB underglow.
And communication with parts suppliers/PCB manufacturer.
If we can reach 500 PCs at first batch.
Price might around $25.

Layout update : http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/gists/a1bef8bf2784f5d009c96665a19bfc5e

[sennin32]

FAQ:
Is the stabilizer PCB or plate mounted?
PCB mounted.
It is limited due to support more layouts.

About Shipping
The PCB + plate +stabilizer is around 200g~300g
International shipping will be under $10 to world wide.
~$8 to USA, CA, Europe, South America
~$7 to Asia, AU

Steeped capslock
Yes, this board support steeped capslock

[Puddsy]

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

[romevi]

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

The same thing that makes you special from any other person.

[Puddsy]

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

The same thing that makes you special from any other person.

I'm ****ing dense, so I hope that's not what it is.

[FoC_Tow]

Interested =)

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

Layout Support for once.
There aren't many 60 PCBs with arrow support ya know

[Zobeid Zuma]

Split space bar is what caught my eye.  It's nice to see more PCBs turning up with support for that.

The layout options still seem awkward to me, though.  I'll be holding out for the next round of Banana Split 60.

[pixelpusher]

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

Underglow and more split space support probably. Pretty good layout options for a low price

[sennin32]

What makes this more special than any other 60% PCB?

To keyboard geeks, it support more layout but with easy to find caps.
Makes it more easy to use for those who are not familiar with 60% keyboards.

To us, we are looking for better QA control.
Better packaging from manufacturer to us, better printing...etc.
We've tried to communicate with suppliers who offer us PCBs for passed few years.
The packaging is bad, QA pass rate is low, makes us spend too much time to fix those issues.
But nothing changes after communications.
Let's do it ourselves!

[pixelpusher]

I filled out the form.  I'm down for 2 definitely.  Any idea on holtite support?

[sennin32]

I filled out the form.  I'm down for 2 definitely.  Any idea on holtite support?

I'm not sure about holtite.
The hole size is from Cherry datasheet suggestion.
If the socket is design to fit Cherry standard, it will fit.
But I never try that before.

[Fausuto]

Is the PCB going to be black and QMK support?

[Trousers]

I'm pretty bad looking at these PCB's, but I assume you could do a layout with arrow keys and a regular 6.25 space bar? Just five 1u keys on the right.

[FoC_Tow]

I'm pretty bad looking at these PCB's, but I assume you could do a layout with arrow keys and a regular 6.25 space bar? Just five 1u keys on the right.

Looks to me like you can only go 7u space with 4 1u on the right, or split space if you want all se arrows =D

[excluisve]

It will have rgb led Underground ?

[Puddsy]

It will have rgb led Underground ?

It does.

[kawasaki161]

It will have rgb led Underground ?

It does.

Are you sure? I don't see any 4-pad footprints for that in the picture.

[sennin32]

Is the PCB going to be black and QMK support?

For now.
We focus on TMK firmware, and I never study QMK.
If there's many people want QMK support.
We have to do some research.

[sennin32]

I'm pretty bad looking at these PCB's, but I assume you could do a layout with arrow keys and a regular 6.25 space bar? Just five 1u keys on the right.

Seems this will works.
Add one more key on the right of spacebar.

[sennin32]

It will have rgb led Underground ?

No,
For now, unless we make a brand new firmware.
Or it will be hard to do that.

Our next project will be a 60% Keyboard with full aluminum case and RGB LED.
Include custom firmware(Support windows only now)

[sennin32]

It will have rgb led Underground ?

It does.

Are you sure? I don't see any 4-pad footprints for that in the picture.

It will have rgb led Underground ?

It does.

No, doesn't support RGB
But you can chose color you prefer

[kawasaki161]

Is the PCB going to be black and QMK support?

For now.
We focus on TMK firmware, and I never study QMK.
If there's many people want QMK support.
We have to do some research.

QMK is an extension of TMK and uses the same core, if you know TMK it is really easy to add also support QMK (unless you have extensive custom code and non-standard hardware at least).

[sennin32]

Is the PCB going to be black and QMK support?

For now.
We focus on TMK firmware, and I never study QMK.
If there's many people want QMK support.
We have to do some research.

Yup,
I believe QMK add some more features.
And the setting file must have to support those features.

QMK is an extension of TMK and uses the same core, if you know TMK it is really easy to add also support QMK (unless you have extensive custom code and non-standard hardware at least).

[FoC_Tow]

I'm pretty bad looking at these PCB's, but I assume you could do a layout with arrow keys and a regular 6.25 space bar? Just five 1u keys on the right.

Seems this will works.
Add one more key on the right of spacebar.

If you examine the layout sheet, this will most definitely not work, sorry.

Only 7u and split space support with arrows.

[sennin32]

I'm pretty bad looking at these PCB's, but I assume you could do a layout with arrow keys and a regular 6.25 space bar? Just five 1u keys on the right.

Seems this will works.
Add one more key on the right of spacebar.

If you examine the layout sheet, this will most definitely not work, sorry.

Only 7u and split space support with arrows.

Yes,
Have to add one more key position

[sennin32]

About Shipping https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=91773.msg2498692#msg2498692

[sennin32]

There's another question added in to the checking form.

It is about do you use TKG as your main tool to flash your keyboard?

We're looking for some possibility to reduce the pricing.
The most possible way is to change MCU.
But TKG seems support only atmel AVR.

Means if we change it into ARM, the only way to flash it is compile it yourself.
Hope I can get some feedback!

[pixelpusher]

For me that all depends on if you put a config for it here:
https://kbfirmware.com

I’m lazy

[mike873]

Are there significant differences between this board and the DZ60 from KBDFans? I'm not criticizing, just curious.

[Zobeid Zuma]

Are there significant differences between this board and the DZ60 from KBDFans? I'm not criticizing, just curious.

An obvious difference to me is that the bottom row layouts with split spacebar are different.  DZ60 supports the [2.25][1.25][2.75] or [2.75][1.25][2.25] split.

[DarKou]

This PCB looks great but:
- No screw hole near the space bar (ATMega is on his way?)
- No right screw hole

I think this 2 "issues" will limit the cases choice.

[pixelpusher]

This PCB looks great but:
- No screw hole near the space bar (ATMega is on his way?)
- No right screw hole

I think this 2 "issues" will limit the cases choice.

I hadn’t noticed that.  You’re correct.  I would expect all 6 standard mounting holes.  I might be able to live without the bottom one, but we need thr one on the right for sure

[DarKou]

This PCB looks great but:
- No screw hole near the space bar (ATMega is on his way?)
- No right screw hole

I think this 2 "issues" will limit the cases choice.

I hadn’t noticed that.  You’re correct.  I would expect all 6 standard mounting holes.  I might be able to live without the bottom one, but we need thr one on the right for sure

I think the bottom will be a real problem if ATMega is crushed by the hole support of the case.

[sennin32]

This PCB looks great but:
- No screw hole near the space bar (ATMega is on his way?)
- No right screw hole

I think this 2 "issues" will limit the cases choice.

We remove one of screw hole from the PCB because of it is on the stab/switches' position.
I think that won't be a major issue for remove only one hole @@

[sennin32]

Update:
1st Prototyping finished, awaiting SMD processing
IC for Case design : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92790.0

[Badwrench]

Update:
1st Prototyping finished, awaiting SMD processing
IC for Case design : https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=92790.0

What is your target price range for the case/plate combo?

[madn3ss795]

Very interested in the dual 3u spacebars layout, but I'm skeptical about the lack of 2 mounting holes ( bottom and right edge ).

[sennin32]

Samples:

[pixelpusher]

Samples:

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Looks nice.  Is there any way you can get a full shot of the back.  The whole board

[sennin32]

We’ll do it later.
Haven’t received it, I just ask Pcb manufacturer take some pic for me.

[pixelpusher]

We’ll do it later.
Haven’t received it, I just ask Pcb manufacturer take some pic for me.

Thanks!

[kiwi99]

Could you possibly support offset 6u spacebar?

[amnesia0287]

Do you have any choice over soldermask color?

[sennin32]

Do you have any choice over soldermask color?

Only white now

Could you possibly support offset 6u spacebar?

It should support if you mean 6 units (114mm wide, 3 keymounts, 57mm and 38mm apart).
I'll test it again when 2nd sample arrive.

[sennin32]

We haven't receive the sample yet.
But we've found some bugs/things want to change in first sample :
1. for shorter trackers, we put diode/LED in different direction, which is not a good idea for repairing and looks a little bad.
2. Move LED position to fit the MCU, more reasonable trackers.
3. put all screw holes back include the one near bottom.
4. One of tracker pass the logo on the mask layer, makes it explore

[sennin32]

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Looks nice.  Is there any way you can get a full shot of the back.  The whole board

updated in origin post.

[Applet]

Does it support 6u spacebar?

[sennin32]

quick reply : yup it does.

complete : You might want to send layout, see if it support.

[pixelpusher]

Is there a center screw hole?  I’m not seeing one.  Usually between the G and the H

Really like the options this pcb has.  Good work