oh wow..i was doing some digging on deviantart and found someone who made an svg file for most of the portal iconshttp://zeptozephyr.deviantart.com/art/Vectored-Portal-Icons-207347804?offset=10 (http://zeptozephyr.deviantart.com/art/Vectored-Portal-Icons-207347804?offset=10) anyone know if can crop out specific parts of the svg file?
@ichitz, its a shame that there isn't a standalone companion cube icon. :( there's one at the top where a person is hugging the cube though..
@ichitz, its a shame that there isn't a standalone companion cube icon. :( there's one at the top where a person is hugging the cube though..
Great idea. For working with svg, I use adobe illustrator, but a free alternative is inkscape. Likely you would be dealing with signature plastics, so their size requirement is 0.427" square maximum black on transparent background.
Nice. Geekhack displays .svg now.but it seems like i can't upload .svg directly to geekhack :(
Would totally buy several of these, hell we should make a 12 key Function row set.
+1 for this. A full function set would be sweet.
Be warned though, that round 4 will not ship until next year.
Beware that SP will not do copyrighted/trademark/etc designs - if they know about it. I had to get Teamliquid staff to contact SP to get the TL key made.
I'll be in for a set or 2 in either formatsame here
I asked SP to quote me for 13 keys with the options of all 1 color, and another quote for 12function keys as 1 color and the esc key as a different color.
SP's quote:
Pricing for the keysets is as follows for a 13 key set in DCS Row 1 to fit the Cherry MX keyswitch:
All one color:
25 sets $9.69 / set
50 sets $7.90 / set
75 sets $7.31 / set
100 sets $7.01 / set
2 Colors:
25 sets $10.53 / set
50 sets $8.75 / set
75 sets $8.15 / set
100 sets $7.86 / set
New legend charges may apply depending on the complexity and specifics anticipated. Charges will range from $35 to $45. Attached is a pdf that give the basic guidelines for 2-shot molding. Please keep in mind that we may not be able to exactly match legends with the 2-shot molding process.
Please let me know if you have any questions.
Thanks!
Melissa
Signature Plastics LLC
So, assuming the minimal $35 new legend fee * 13 new legends = $455.yes, except u miscalculated the 2 colors/25 sets, it should be $28.73 :biggrin:
$455 / 25 = $18.20
$455 / 50 = $9.10
$455 / 75 = $6.07
$455 / 100 = $4.55
This yields:
All one color:
25 sets: $27.89
50 sets: $17
75 sets: $13.38
100 sets: $11.56
2 Colors:
25 sets: $46.93
50 sets: $17.85
75 sets: $14.22
100 sets: $12.41
Right?
Wait, Ragnorock, where in Washington are they?
@Ragnorok, that is much cheaper than what I anticipated too. I had to read the email multiple times to make sure I didn't get it wrong :P
For the SVGs, SP sent me their specifications on what they need. Minimum line/spacing width, etc. I haven't plug it into illustrator yet to know which icons works and which doesn't. But I feel like after that's sorted out, we also need to have a poll or sth to see which icons we want before I mod the files to SP's specifications. I could probably do that tomorrow morning.
We also need to figure out if SP has a problem printing icons from a registered game
If you want to handle the orders, that'll be great too. A business major and an graphic artist, we could make a team! :D
How d'you guys feel about using the blue and orange portals as keycaps?
How d'you guys feel about using the blue and orange portals as keycaps?
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Blue/Orange alternating would look amazing but there will be a increase in price no? Even though I think it would look awesome, some if not most people will still refer the standard white on black
I'm fuzzy on this too. Seems like the volume discount should be per key. We're going to buy 25, 50, etc. of each key, and we're already varying legends per key, so I don't get why varying color per key as well would cost extra.Having it blue/orange alternating could be the same price as the 2nd option with the end colour esc key as in the end its going to have its minimum per key in each colour.
Having it blue/orange alternating could be the same price as the 2nd option...
I would personally love the orange and blue halves of a guy as two different keys (the ones that surround the "PORTAL 2" in the logo).
They could be F1 and F12 or something. Would be so good.
yes, except u miscalculated the 2 colors/25 sets, it should be $28.73 :biggrin:
What about this... We do the Function + Esc set now and in all one color as previously discussed, and depending on how successful the group buy is, we could potentially revisit it later for a "Round 2" where we offer the same set again (since I believe/hope they keep their molds on hand and we wouldn't have the high setup cost the 2nd time around) and in addition we do modifier keys with various colors or something. We could try to accomplish everything in this one group buy, but as you probably know from the Group Buy Round 4, the more we add to it the more confusing and difficult it becomes for everyone.
What about this... We do the Function + Esc set now and in all one color as previously discussed, and depending on how successful the group buy is, we could potentially revisit it later for a "Round 2" where we offer the same set again (since I believe/hope they keep their molds on hand and we wouldn't have the high setup cost the 2nd time around) and in addition we do modifier keys with various colors or something. We could try to accomplish everything in this one group buy, but as you probably know from the Group Buy Round 4, the more we add to it the more confusing and difficult it becomes for everyone.
So has anybody made the images for SP to look at/ has SP had a chance to give their opinions of if the design will work or not?
Okay so to answer some questions. No you can't do more than one "legend" color on one key. For example you cannot do a black key with an orange portal and a blue portal on it. That's 3 different colors on one key, and doubleshots only use 2 colors.
I like the orange and blue portal idea, but here's how the costs work.
If we make a set of 13 keys with all different legends (icons), and all of them have the same colors, the only significant cost is the molds. The rest is cheap for them and us to produce because they don't have to bother with several different colors of plastic to make the set.
It may or may not cost that much more to make 2 additional keys with black and an orange portal on one and black and a blue portal on another, but we'd have to contact SP for that.
HOWEVER, the black and blue key has its own quantity discount and so does the black and orange key. ALL of the black and white keys in the proposed function set share the same quantity discount because they are the same color. Each separate color has its own quantity discount, follow? Since we are doing a set of 13, the quantity discount goes up really fast, (at a geometric rate of 13 per order lol.) Whereas the blue and orange protal keys would only go up one at a time, meaning people would either have to order multiples or we'd need over 50-100 orders to get the price to come down. Meaning the costs for the orange and blue portal keys just for a pair would probably cost about as much as the whole function set... and if a customer wants both it doesn't get him a discount. Basically I'm saying that would essentially double the cost for one person to get a complete set of all the keys proposed.
I believe they would also have separate quantity discounts for different size keys, at the moment I'm really only interested in doing ESC sized keys, which fit all of the function keys and the 9 keys over above the arrow keys.
I'm open to the idea, but I worry that if we offer those pair of keys it will cannibalize orders from the function set, as many people might not be interested in getting both. I also don't really want to offer it as a part of the Function set because for those that aren't really interested in having those two keys would be forced to pay twice as much for much less value.
Thoughts? I'm not in charge here, we'll order what everyone wants, but we have to be smart about it or we aren't going to get as many orders as we should.
What about this... We do the Function + Esc set now and in all one color as previously discussed, and depending on how successful the group buy is, we could potentially revisit it later for a "Round 2" where we offer the same set again (since I believe/hope they keep their molds on hand and we wouldn't have the high setup cost the 2nd time around) and in addition we do modifier keys with various colors or something. We could try to accomplish everything in this one group buy, but as you probably know from the Group Buy Round 4, the more we add to it the more confusing and difficult it becomes for everyone.
I think many people are willing to commit to just a orange/blue or orange/black + blue/black. I am pretty sure a lot of people will commit since it was my idea. LOL jk I think you should try doing the F1-F12 separate from the ESC key. Many might just be interested from 1 key. I am in for an ESC key + F1-F12 though.
Considering that usually people spend about as much on one key in other threads (including shipping but still) as we're looking at for our entire set of 13 (before shipping), I don't think it really is worth it to offer any one key separate to encourage people to just buy the whole set.
Put me down for a set with red esc key. Thanks. by dreamingftw
You can put me down for a set/and or just an esc key. by HeavyArms
Well I saw many posts from people that said, In for 1 ESC key. Some people are just interested in one key than rather the set.
I think that once the initiative is made for this to be real (as in a product to order on rather than speculate) enough people will be behind it to make whatever is chosen worthwhile.
chenga91s ToDo list:
registering at geekhack
starting an awesome group buy
Nice work pal! Do you even own a mechanical yet? xD
Ahaha wow you're good. Nah, I don't own one yet, but soon! Once I get my paycheck, I'm getting the Leopold TKL with Cherry Browns! :)
Man how are you doing all this without even owning a mechanical?!
Man how are you doing all this without even owning a mechanical?!
Well considering he will have to wait the 1-2 months for the doubleshots to be made I don't think he will come out too far behind time wise. I would have loved to have keycaps on the way when I bought my Leopold TKL.
Well, I knew I was going to get one soon, so I figured I might as well start it up so that I would have the keys soon after I got my keyboard. I actually just bought my keyboard a few minutes ago. I'm so excited!! First mechanical keyboard whooo~
Well, I knew I was going to get one soon, so I figured I might as well start it up so that I would have the keys soon after I got my keyboard. I actually just bought my keyboard a few minutes ago. I'm so excited!! First mechanical keyboard whooo~
Ahaha, you read my mind and posted faster than I did :P
Also, I actually received my Leopold today from EK. Here is my view on it.
http://geekhack.org/showthread.php?21587-Leopold-vs-filco&p=413506&viewfull=1#post413506
We're getting an entire set of double shot keys. 13 Keys: Esc + 12 Function keys.
I'm referring to this thread lol. Once we finish our designs (which should be fairly soon since most of them are done already), we'll start up a new "buying" thread which we'll include test molds and such in.
Edit: Er..did I answer your question correctly the first time? I could be misunderstanding things. Only had 4 hours of sleep last night :(
Well I saw many posts from people that said, In for 1 ESC key. Some people are just interested in one key than rather the set.
+1 for this. A full function set would be sweet.or something like that.
So...there are 41 people who are interested. Need 9 more :mad2: but as RColinTaylor pointed out, once this gets more finalized, additional people will likely be interested (hopefully).
So...there are 41 people who are interested. Need 9 more :mad2: but as RColinTaylor pointed out, once this gets more finalized, additional people will likely be interested (hopefully).
Did you count people who would be wanting to buy ~2-3 sets as well? I know that if its going to be $15 or less per set I will get at least two.
Can you just keep the ESC key more plain? I rather have it with blue or orange, but if not then black and white so at least it matches the other keys.
My own personal thought of keeping the ESC key close to the set and not too odd would be to make it a white key with black legends; a sort of 'inverse' of the other 12.
I vote no for white on red escape key... I want the whole set to match for sure. Black on white (inverse) wouldn't look right though, it would clash instead of match.
Aiight. That's fine too. I mentioned it because people had previously expressed interest in a red ESC key and I don't recall anyone objecting. Initially, I wanted the red key, but after reading some of the comments I understand why people would want the set to match.
If more people prefer white on black (as of now that's the case with 5 vs 2), then that's what we'll get.
Chenga I'm not familiar with this exact forum, but since it's vbulletin you should be able to edit the thread title by going to edit the OP, you should change it to Portal Doubleshot Key Set
'jus sayin. :)
It doesn't matter which one is the "ESC" one because all the keycaps will be the same size and shape, allowing everyone to pick and choose which ones they want where on their keyboard.
Looks good man, though the cake could probably lose the cherry since it doesn't look much like a cherry at that size.
Let me put it this way:
Separate ESC key price: $4-5 with around 25-50 orders (I wouldn't expect as many to just want the esc key) + $5-6 shipping= $9-11
Full 13 key set: $17 at 50, $11.56 at 100, which at this point is probably how many we're going to get. With the number of people interested and the number of people wanting 2 or more, its going to be big. So that + $5-6 is a whole $18. You're telling me you can't afford a whole $7 more to get 12 extra keys and potentially raise the price for everyone else who wants the whole set? Just buying a particular one key is going to cannibalize orders from the main buy and it just isn't worth it imo. I mean 2/3s the cost for 1/13th the product... you don't have to be a business major to know how silly that is.
Oh I really liked sherryton's idea of two keys one with orange half-portal and other with blue other-half-portal. It would be pretty neat to have them in very distant keys.
So that ideia is out of question?
Sorry if it's already discussed in the thread. I've only read that it would be expensive (same costs of the entire 13 key set).
the esc key in the image above is the one im referring to, also i highly doubt that the shipping would be 5-6 dollars when its about a gram of plastic that can fit in an envelope. If the esc key was 4-5 dollars + a dollar for shipping, (total 5-6 dollars) i would def do that instead of paying double / triple to get the whole set. Even if i did get the whole set because its '2/3's the price the rest of the set would be un-used the whole time anyhow.
The current consensus is to do those and others such as the windows/modifier keys in a round 2 after we see how well this one goes.
If shipping to germany is possible and does not kill the deal, i am in for a set.You should be able to flat rate the small box to germany for $14 or so. Hopefully the awful german customs people won't confiscate and/or break everything.
edit: Prefering Black on White! ;)
the esc key in the image above is the one im referring to, also i highly doubt that the shipping would be 5-6 dollars when its about a gram of plastic that can fit in an envelope. If the esc key was 4-5 dollars + a dollar for shipping, (total 5-6 dollars) i would def do that instead of paying double / triple to get the whole set. Even if i did get the whole set because its '2/3's the price the rest of the set would be un-used the whole time anyhow.
I just think you should avoid ordering it, so it'll save you money and time from selling the rest of the key caps!
Okay... *shudder* what does everyone think about pad printing?
Lol.
Melissa just emailed me back about the designs and she said that many of them are too detailed to do with doubleshots so we have 2 options: Simplify them a lot more, or do them via pad printing.
Pad Printing means:
They won't last forever like doubleshots do, but hey, its the damn function row, how often do you depress those keys really?
The prices will be even cheaper, probably significantly cheaper.
Everyone will cry because they aren't doubleshots.
There will be essentially perfect detail to where we can go back to how the SVGs were without all the adjustments.
Less people are going to want them because they aren't doubleshats
Simplification means:
"Lolwut is this supposed to be" with half of them.
Much longer design/group buy process while Ichitz and I work out how to get them to look okay.
Make your choice Geekhack. I'm okay with either path. I figured this would be the case from the start.
I would want the originally pitched esc key as a doubleshot, but the rest could all be pad printed. I hit esc way more often than the others.
I would be fine with pad printing as long as it came out at a much lower price in the end (ball parking around $12 pre-shipped). However, I would also like to see on a much larger scale of desire the doubleshots created and if it so need be I wouldn't mind waiting as long as it took.
Also, if it came down to it, maybe we could turn this into a "set of esc keys" rather than calling it a fn row. We could have 3-5 or however man keys would work of doubleshots that would serve as a collection of portal themed escape keys that can be used for any purpose deemed by the user.
Sorry man, I don't think that's possible even with pad printing. It has to be all one color, though we should have some ability to choose colors. We could do that but it'd have to be all blue, all orange, or all white to match the rest. We can do any design of the originals though, so we may want to revisit those and pick whichever ones we want now. So yeah. I'll get quotes for different color options too.
Sorry man, I don't think that's possible even with pad printing. It has to be all one color, though we should have some ability to choose colors. We could do that but it'd have to be all blue, all orange, or all white to match the rest. We can do any design of the originals though, so we may want to revisit those and pick whichever ones we want now. So yeah. I'll get quotes for different color options too.
what you could do is one orange key and one blue key...and then play with the image so the guy is going into one and coming out of the other. place at opposite ends of keyboard for ultimate effect.
That's what I would like to see, one blue key and one orange key.
My face when we can do several colors on a single key: ^.^
My face when I look at the cost being more than doubled for both pad printing and sublimation: 0.o
My face when sublimation on black keys isn't possible: D:
My face when I struggle to comprehend the ridiculous number of options we have: :S
Teaser pic:
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What do guys? Basically everything that I wanted out of this group buy is sortof disappearing. I like the idea of blue keys with multicolored legends though. I had the idea that we could do a great deal more of the keys and let everyone pick and choose which ones they want on their keyboard or do one of the original ideas of the function row plus the 9 keys from print screen to page down. Or perhaps arrow keys using the going into and out of the blue and orange portals.
I have an idea for what you could do for this, i'll do a quick mock up in paint when i get home from work and let the masters do their mad Photoshop work after.
daymn. I haven't checked this thread in a while and now it's giving me a headache :P
I followed SP's rules on the 0.012" thickness. But With the machine following the edges of the graphic instead of the center, 0.012" is actually like.. at least double that probably. Which is huge. I would say over 60% of the icons won't work.
I would be down to getting 1 esc and the 2 end of the portal guys (3keys total) than 13 keys that might become a severe headache for everybody.
Simple is better in my book. But 3 keys prob mean we won't have our premium price anymore.
Let me know what u guys decide and I'll mock up the graphics.
Alright, so the goal here is doubleshots. She gave specifics of how small the gaps can be, so now it's just a matter of Ichitz or another artistically skilled person retooling them? What if we were to just eliminate the ones that wouldn't work and instead come up with some Portalesque designs? Something that runs along the same line of stick man in hilarious accidents or the like? Would people be so opposed to that, because it's not taken straight from Portal?
Alright, so the goal here is doubleshots. She gave specifics of how small the gaps can be, so now it's just a matter of Ichitz or another artistically skilled person retooling them? What if we were to just eliminate the ones that wouldn't work and instead come up with some Portalesque designs? Something that runs along the same line of stick man in hilarious accidents or the like? Would people be so opposed to that, because it's not taken straight from Portal?
Yeah, somewhat. There are a lot of things we can do with them to try and make the existing designs work, but yeah, as Ichitz is saying, its going to be a struggle.
I'm going to go find a copy of illustrator and see what I can do. I'm a gfx guy as well I just haven't gotten around to getting illustrator because I've never had a need for it before.
If anyone is interested in taking over a group buy for black lettering on white keys, I would be down to pick up a set.
It only makes to me sense since black images on white background is the actual signage and icons in the game. :)
My face when we can do several colors on a single key: ^.^
My face when I look at the cost being more than doubled for both pad printing and sublimation: 0.o
My face when sublimation on black keys isn't possible: D:
My face when I struggle to comprehend the ridiculous number of options we have: :S
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What do guys? Basically everything that I wanted out of this group buy is sortof disappearing. I like the idea of blue keys with multicolored legends though. I had the idea that we could do a great deal more of the keys and let everyone pick and choose which ones they want on their keyboard or do one of the original ideas of the function row plus the 9 keys from print screen to page down. Or perhaps arrow keys using the going into and out of the blue and orange portals.
Melissa corrected me in that it was dry sublimation and not dye... Not sure what the differences are.
So after some thought and the steep increases in price for the doubleshots, I think sublimation is the best option. Now all we have to do is argue over colors. I don't mean to be so blunt about this but I'm pretty tired and frustrated after doing 7 hours of "Advanced Operations Management 499" homework and still not finishing it.
Here are color combinations that I'm willing to run a group buy for. That should help narrow it down a bit. I'm sorry guys but white keys just don't fit at all with my setup and I've no interest in running a group buy for keys I don't want- especially since I'm taking over the SC2 group buy as of now. It seems a fair amount of people do want a variety of other keys, so maybe it's best that they someone else takes over on it and other keys are made. If that happens I might buy a set anyways because of how much time I've invested in it already though, lol.
I like:
Red Keycaps with black or white legends, maybe a darker red than standard, since the bright red is pretty common and standard.
Blue Keycaps with Orange or blue legends for the most part and a few specific keys with multiple colors (dual portals on one key, red cherry on white cake, etc) Legends lighter blue than the keycap itself.
Yeah, white does make a whole lot of sense. I'd be willing to rock white on my board as long as they were all black legends except for a pink heart on the cube. That's all I'd want for color on them. And yeah as bright and flawless of a white as possible. None of that eggshell or cream white. Yeah I would love dark red or blue but it doesn't seem like very many others are hot on that idea... we like... need to solidify what this buy is and isn't.Alright, so to solidify, this buy is currently a 13 key run for dye-subbed black legends on white keys, with maybe the exception of the companion cube.
I think a lot of folks have to understand that designs that are too intricate (as well as those that involve more than one printing color) simply cannot be done using double shot technology. IMO dye sublimation is the next best option. I'm still down for the dye sub set.
I think it's the best option (dye sub), not the next best option!
By the way are they using PBT or ABS caps with dye sub?
PBT =)
(just like Topre keys)
I don't believe dye-sublimated ABS is possible.
My F# keys usually get no love from me, they're just eye candy. I don't get why doubleshots are so important to most. White on Black dye-sublimation F-row keys sounded so good: simple and generic, and not to mention, good for the price. Why can't we all just get along :noidea:
My F# keys usually get no love from me, they're just eye candy. I don't get why doubleshots are so important to most. White on Black dye-sublimation F-row keys sounded so good: simple and generic, and not to mention, good for the price. Why can't we all just get along :noidea:You can't do white on black I think.
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\KL, if I end up having to do my own svgs, I'll probably be down to do what you need.
$22.75 - $19.01? That is an awfully thin spread.Likely because they're not really well outfitted for subbing keys, and cater more towards doubleshots.
Ichitz, he posted early on in this thread, haven't seen him for a little while though. Hopefully he responds soon. If not I'll be reworking them myself. I downloaded Illustrator I just have to get it installed without telling Adobe ;)Sorry, been kinda off the forums lately. Got a project due on Wednesday. I'll get you the SVGs on Wednesday if not sooner :)
When you get the final designs, can you post the pic(s) in the first post to make it easier to see what's up?Ragnorock will make a new thread for orders and the pictures will be shown there.
Thanks for all the work you're doing on this Rags!
I'm doing my best to get a picture of the actual keycaps everyone will be getting to help with ordering, but Melissa said they don't normally do that before money is exchanged and production is started. She said she'd try and work something out. If not yeah I'll be posting the svgs for everyone to see. Actually Ichitz, it might help if you were to post some svgs or jpegs with a white background for everyone to see in addition to the ones with a transparent background for me to send to SP. Larger in size too since the SVGs are pretty small on my browser.
I still feel that the two portal keys with 1/2 a guy emerging is the best idea, but I'll happily wait for round2 on that one.
(Attachment) 27506[/ATTACH]I vote for black on white Aperture.
Okay, so I don't have much time, but decide whether you like this color scheme better or all black on white but a pink heart for the companion cube.
I'm also okay with just changing the aperture logo to black on white and leaving the rest of the colors the same.
Discuss, you have till tomorrow when I submit the SVGs to Melissa.
If you played Portal 2 you'd understand why that makes sense. The bridge comes out of the portals, if it was on top it wouldn't be inside the portal... Btw I've got a bunch of hw to do and won't be updating counts till tomorrow. Don't worry, my inbox is getting spammed like a mofo.Miscommunication. I get the overlap on the inside of the portals, the whole "bridge with portals" thing, but looking at it not up close made it look a little weird to me. I looked at it really, really close, and it's one pixel on the bottom left on the blue portal that's bothering me. So I'll chalk that up to crazy and say it looks great.
I was thinking it would be cheaper because of quantity discounts, that doesn't apply as much because the spread isn't as wide here. Spent all my afternoon writing those posts and still didn't say everything I wanted to so if you have any questions just ask. Of course its up to you to decide but I for one am not waiting till well into next year for some keycaps. Since you're in brazil though, I recommend you do. That's some expensive shipping and probably isn't worth the money to you or the hassle to me.
Ok so you give 7bit green light to put your Portal set in R4?
I will ask him and while he does not respond I'll be still in your Portal order list. If he takes longer than dates close to the deadline of Portal buy, do you mind putting me in a reserve list for the 1st extra set? I'm just wondering whether for some reason Portal set doesn't get in R4 and I lose the opportunity to buy it. I'm saying that because the TL keycap won't be available in R4, for instance.
They aren't going to be in R4 since these aren't doubleshot keys. :/
They aren't going to be in R4 since these aren't doubleshot keys. :/
Hnnngh. No turret firing at the guy?darnit. Which key did we talk about again? Original SGV file, 4th row, 1st key?
darnit. Which key did we talk about again? Original SGV file, 4th row, 1st key?Show Image(http://geekhack.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=26037&d=1315347743)