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Tiling window managers mmm
« on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 06:04:25 »
Ever since I converted to 3 monitors, I switched to i3, a tiling window manager. Instead of using the mouse, I can switch between windows just using keys, actually increasing my productivity (Law of Fitts).

Are you using on of dem tiling window managers? Which one? And why?
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #1 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 06:07:36 »
I've used dwm for many years.

Unfortunately I only have a mac at home. But luckily the screen is small enough to just only have one window open at a time.

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« Reply #2 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 06:10:09 »
I've used dwm for many years.

Unfortunately I only have a mac at home. But luckily the screen is small enough to just only have one window open at a time.

That's actually one of the reasons why I switched away from Mac... window management. No Mission Control helping me there, didn't like it. I've tried tiling apps on the Mac, but I didn't like them.

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« Reply #3 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 07:20:04 »
I have a 38" 3600×1600 screen estate, and use KWin with hotkeys for tiling windows and "focus follows cursor" for switching windows (just pushing the mouse/trackball in a general direction is quite effortless).

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« Reply #4 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 08:01:42 »
I have a 38" 3600×1600 screen estate, and use KWin with hotkeys for tiling windows and "focus follows cursor" for switching windows (just pushing the mouse/trackball in a general direction is quite effortless).

That's nice. i3 has mouse focus by default. But what I really need to be productive is:

alt + left / right = move to left right window

alt + num = move to desktop <num>, for instance my left screen is 1, my right screen is 3.

shift + alt + left / right = move window to left or right

shift + alt + num = move window to desktop <num>

shift + j / k = move whole desktop to left / right screen.
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« Reply #5 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 09:03:10 »
Over the years, I've figured I don't want to deal with hidden windows. The mental overhead is too damn high—compared to simply tilting my head to another [part of a] screen.

So, I have only a bunch of hotkeys on Super + some keys around IJKL.

The main reason why don't use an obscure window manager is that it's too much work, especially if I decided to ditch the desktop environment (Plasma) and setup everything manually.

Another reason is that the minimalist window managers are usually useless with only a pointing device and a touchscreen specifically. Sometimes I simply want to sit back and read without a keyboard getting in the way (my other PC is a convertible tablet and I'm thinking of getting a controller—instead of a trackball/touchpad—for my desktop too).

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« Reply #6 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 09:32:30 »
Over the years, I've figured I don't want to deal with hidden windows. The mental overhead is too damn high—compared to simply tilting my head to another [part of a] screen.

So, I have only a bunch of hotkeys on Super + some keys around IJKL.

The main reason why don't use an obscure window manager is that it's too much work, especially if I decided to ditch the desktop environment (Plasma) and setup everything manually.

Another reason is that the minimalist window managers are usually useless with only a pointing device and a touchscreen specifically. Sometimes I simply want to sit back and read without a keyboard getting in the way (my other PC is a convertible tablet and I'm thinking of getting a controller—instead of a trackball/touchpad—for my desktop too).

I can see that. My desktop is not touch, so I don't mind having to rely on keyboard and mouse.

Hidden windows is annoying. At my office, I only have 1 22" monitor. It's near to useless, so I work from home more and more. As a matter of fact, I would like to have 5 27" screens now (3 currently). But I don't now whether you need to tilt your head too much for that to be efficient and usable.
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #7 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 09:44:39 »
I find the field of view occupied by a ~40" screen at arm-length distance to be borderline. Any larger and I'd have to put it further away, or move around instead of just tilting the head.

Based on current state of market, I'd get 4k @ 32" screen, but then… I can't justify the cost compared to what I have now.

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #8 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 09:58:48 »
I find the field of view occupied by a ~40" screen at arm-length distance to be borderline. Any larger and I'd have to put it further away, or move around instead of just tilting the head.

Based on current state of market, I'd get 4k @ 32" screen, but then… I can't justify the cost compared to what I have now.

Just one 32"? Or 3?

As a (systems / web) programmer, I basically never have enough space. I use i3 + tmux + vim + firefox for dev and I always have around 10 files open simultaneously, and switch between them constantly. My screen in front code, my screen right is second tmux session with more code and firefox with documentation. My left screen is e-mail + autoreload webpage. I would like to have another screen JUST for code. I guess I should have a 32" in front of me to see more code at once or something. That would be great actually.

And now, I have some production servers I want to monitor continuously, so I am already thinking of buying another 24" screen with a raspberry pi or something to have the screen always on to look at stats (of course with proper monitoring and e-mail triggers, but you get the point).
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #9 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 11:53:29 »
ghhhh I love i3 so much.

I have it on my laptop, which is hooked up to an external monitor. I have it set up to put odd workspaces on the laptop, even on the monitor. I honestly can't even imagine going back to a floating window manager. I've actually tried other tiling wm's as well but I just can't get the hang of them the way I have the hang of i3.

To me it's the perfect window manager. Easy to use/configure and out of the way so I can get other stuff done. Also, I love being able to have like 3-5 windows open while I'm programming. I can look at older code in one window, vim in another, compile and test in a different one, switch to another workspace to look something up online or to change my music.

It's stupidly convenient.

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« Reply #10 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 12:16:16 »
ghhhh I love i3 so much.

I have it on my laptop, which is hooked up to an external monitor. I have it set up to put odd workspaces on the laptop, even on the monitor. I honestly can't even imagine going back to a floating window manager. I've actually tried other tiling wm's as well but I just can't get the hang of them the way I have the hang of i3.

To me it's the perfect window manager. Easy to use/configure and out of the way so I can get other stuff done. Also, I love being able to have like 3-5 windows open while I'm programming. I can look at older code in one window, vim in another, compile and test in a different one, switch to another workspace to look something up online or to change my music.

It's stupidly convenient.

i3 is great.

And on a new install, the only thing I need to do is:

ln -s ~/dotfiles/i3conf ~/.i3/config

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 12:32:56 »
ghhhh I love i3 so much.

I have it on my laptop, which is hooked up to an external monitor. I have it set up to put odd workspaces on the laptop, even on the monitor. I honestly can't even imagine going back to a floating window manager. I've actually tried other tiling wm's as well but I just can't get the hang of them the way I have the hang of i3.

To me it's the perfect window manager. Easy to use/configure and out of the way so I can get other stuff done. Also, I love being able to have like 3-5 windows open while I'm programming. I can look at older code in one window, vim in another, compile and test in a different one, switch to another workspace to look something up online or to change my music.

It's stupidly convenient.

i3 is great.

And on a new install, the only thing I need to do is:

ln -s ~/dotfiles/i3conf ~/.i3/config

Yeah, that's the other perfect part about it. I just copy my old config and there I go. I tried bspwm as well as dwm. I absolutely see the merit in both but to me, it's not even worth the hassle of learning.

Are you just using the regular i3status bar? I've thought about changing it but three years into i3 and I still haven't.

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 12:34:16 »
ghhhh I love i3 so much.

I have it on my laptop, which is hooked up to an external monitor. I have it set up to put odd workspaces on the laptop, even on the monitor. I honestly can't even imagine going back to a floating window manager. I've actually tried other tiling wm's as well but I just can't get the hang of them the way I have the hang of i3.

To me it's the perfect window manager. Easy to use/configure and out of the way so I can get other stuff done. Also, I love being able to have like 3-5 windows open while I'm programming. I can look at older code in one window, vim in another, compile and test in a different one, switch to another workspace to look something up online or to change my music.

It's stupidly convenient.

i3 is great.

And on a new install, the only thing I need to do is:

ln -s ~/dotfiles/i3conf ~/.i3/config

Yeah, that's the other perfect part about it. I just copy my old config and there I go. I tried bspwm as well as dwm. I absolutely see the merit in both but to me, it's not even worth the hassle of learning.

Are you just using the regular i3status bar? I've thought about changing it but three years into i3 and I still haven't.

I use i3blocks. Initially, because I wanted to use fontawesome for the icons before the stats. But eventually, I kept text descriptions.
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 12:47:00 »
I find the field of view occupied by a ~40" screen at arm-length distance to be borderline. Any larger and I'd have to put it further away, or move around instead of just tilting the head.

Based on current state of market, I'd get 4k @ 32" screen, but then… I can't justify the cost compared to what I have now.

Just one 32"? Or 3?
One. I don't need to monitor anything and anything beyond my 3-5 windows (basically 2× source, documentation, output or something along those lines) is mostly distractions that reduce productivity.

That 32" alone is 70cm wide, I can't do more than 90-100 cm.

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« Reply #14 on: Sun, 08 October 2017, 12:50:22 »
I find the field of view occupied by a ~40" screen at arm-length distance to be borderline. Any larger and I'd have to put it further away, or move around instead of just tilting the head.

Based on current state of market, I'd get 4k @ 32" screen, but then… I can't justify the cost compared to what I have now.

Just one 32"? Or 3?
One. I don't need to monitor anything and anything beyond my 3-5 windows (basically 2× source, documentation, output or something along those lines) is mostly distractions that reduce productivity.

That 32" alone is 70cm wide, I can't do more than 90-100 cm.

I'm looking towards buying this.. ASUS ROG SWIFT PG348Q

https://www.asus.com/nl/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG348Q/
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #15 on: Tue, 10 October 2017, 07:54:51 »
Using i3 at work but at home I prefer xfce since I rarely have many windows open at the same time

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« Reply #16 on: Tue, 10 October 2017, 17:30:27 »
Using i3 at work but at home I prefer xfce since I rarely have many windows open at the same time

I like XFCE. When I don't have tilings needs I also use XFCE. Lightweight, fast, feature-full. Only thunar is unstable for me sometimes..
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #17 on: Tue, 10 October 2017, 20:12:57 »
I use chunkWM on my school macbook a lot of the time(switched back from linux for now until I fiqure out how to get better battery life (and until I get a bigger SSD)).



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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #18 on: Tue, 10 October 2017, 20:18:56 »
i've been using cwm for years now - it's a floater but still heavily keyboard based (you can config it to do anything mouse-related on the keyboard).

tiling wms just never really spoke to me, but cwm has a pseudo tiling feature that i use sometimes to organize my workspace temporarily. I like having a floating-first WM that gives me the option to tile rather than tiling by default. i know you can set that up with other tilers but cwm is pretty neat if you don't need advanced tiling stuff.

otherwise i can alt tab all day and night, works fine for me. i have been thinking of switching back to dmenu from cwm's built in launcher and compiling with runorraise so i can switch that way, too.
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #19 on: Wed, 11 October 2017, 18:29:35 »
Yep i3/i3blocks. There is no dotfile endgame for me




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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 11:26:28 »
Yep i3/i3blocks. There is no dotfile endgame for me

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #21 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 11:54:32 »
I used to use SubtleWM and BSPWM.

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 12 October 2017, 12:55:59 »
Yep i3/i3blocks. There is no dotfile endgame for me

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« Reply #23 on: Fri, 13 October 2017, 20:31:41 »
Are you using on of dem tiling window managers? Which one? And why?

I'm using the (tiling) Awesome WM on Debian Linux (stretch). I'm so used to that WM I don't even remember when I switched.

So that tiling WM and about 10 "workspaces", each with their own layout/program open, mostly all usually laid out always the same way. For example workspace 1 is for personal email + two terminals, workspace 3 is for Emacs + development browser + one terminal, workspace 4 for all my SSH sessions, workspace 8 for browser, workspace 9 for programs I don't use often.

I've got one additional modifer (hyper) that is dedicated only to the WM shortcuts and WM shortcuts are only available through this modifier. I think that's what I liked when I tried Awesome WM: I'm sure i3 or XMonad or whatever would do too but basically it was a one-line change in Awesome to use Hyper as a modifier for all my WM shortcuts.

I only use the mouse for browsing: I switch between windows using shortcuts. I don't have that many windows at once on a single workspace: two to four windows typically.

Setup is not rigid: I can still change layout, move windows between workspaces, open new terminal, resize windows, etc. all with one shortcut.

And because my WM has its own modifier, the shortcuts never ever clash with any other software.
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« Reply #24 on: Fri, 13 October 2017, 21:06:35 »
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #25 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 05:32:07 »
I like XFCE. When I don't have tilings needs I also use XFCE. Lightweight, fast, feature-full. Only thunar is unstable for me sometimes..

I switched to Gnome Files (Nautilus) but I think I read that they fixed the Thunar crash I was having. Can't remember exactly what it was but I think something like occasional crashes when copying or moving a large number of files

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« Reply #26 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 06:55:02 »
I like XFCE. When I don't have tilings needs I also use XFCE. Lightweight, fast, feature-full. Only thunar is unstable for me sometimes..

I switched to Gnome Files (Nautilus) but I think I read that they fixed the Thunar crash I was having. Can't remember exactly what it was but I think something like occasional crashes when copying or moving a large number of files

It's old school, but I switched back to good old mc. Thunar keeps crashing for me, also in 17.04.
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #27 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 10:29:34 »
I like XFCE. When I don't have tilings needs I also use XFCE. Lightweight, fast, feature-full. Only thunar is unstable for me sometimes..

I switched to Gnome Files (Nautilus) but I think I read that they fixed the Thunar crash I was having. Can't remember exactly what it was but I think something like occasional crashes when copying or moving a large number of files

It's old school, but I switched back to good old mc. Thunar keeps crashing for me, also in 17.04.

I'll stick to ranger because vi commands. These days I barely need pcmanfm or thunar (never had that crashing issue though). I've read a few things about Midnight Commander but for me to switch to mc when ranger is available; I dunno, probably not. I don't have memories fond or otherwise of mc so there it is.

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« Reply #28 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 13:42:03 »
I like XFCE. When I don't have tilings needs I also use XFCE. Lightweight, fast, feature-full. Only thunar is unstable for me sometimes..

I switched to Gnome Files (Nautilus) but I think I read that they fixed the Thunar crash I was having. Can't remember exactly what it was but I think something like occasional crashes when copying or moving a large number of files

It's old school, but I switched back to good old mc. Thunar keeps crashing for me, also in 17.04.

I'll stick to ranger because vi commands. These days I barely need pcmanfm or thunar (never had that crashing issue though). I've read a few things about Midnight Commander but for me to switch to mc when ranger is available; I dunno, probably not. I don't have memories fond or otherwise of mc so there it is.

I should give ranger a go, never really tried it. I had it installed once, but you know, never got to switching.
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« Reply #29 on: Mon, 16 October 2017, 14:26:23 »
Heh. I haven't used a regular file manager in a long time. The files I manage the most are images, for which I use geeqie (a fork or clone of gqview, I dunno which) and it is good enough for image files. Reminds me of ACDsee that I used to use on Windows in the '90s.
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #30 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 21:55:36 »
This thread prompted me, at last, to add the "useless gaps" in my Awesome WM.

The main reason I need to lose some screen real-estate by adding useless gaps between a tiling manager's windows is because otherwise sometimes it can be hard to see which window ends where and which starts where: for example if I've got two terminal containing logs it can get really confusing.

Now it's funny because Awesome WM does add useless gaps even at the outter edge of the screen, which doesn't make any sense to me (no risk of mistaking the border of the monitor for anything!). They also said they added useless gaps "in the name of art and unicorns", something like that: so basically that and also adding gaps at the outter edge shows they don't really simply don't get why some people like both tiling managers and "(not so-)useless gaps".
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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 18 October 2017, 22:39:52 »
This thread prompted me, at last, to add the "useless gaps" in my Awesome WM.

The main reason I need to lose some screen real-estate by adding useless gaps between a tiling manager's windows is because otherwise sometimes it can be hard to see which window ends where and which starts where: for example if I've got two terminal containing logs it can get really confusing.

Now it's funny because Awesome WM does add useless gaps even at the outter edge of the screen, which doesn't make any sense to me (no risk of mistaking the border of the monitor for anything!). They also said they added useless gaps "in the name of art and unicorns", something like that: so basically that and also adding gaps at the outter edge shows they don't really simply don't get why some people like both tiling managers and "(not so-)useless gaps".

I tried gaps for a while but thought it was kind of wasteful; sexy unixporn though. Suppose if you have enough screen real estate it doesn't really matter.

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #32 on: Thu, 19 October 2017, 01:24:35 »
You can increase the border width and tweak the colors of active/inactive windows in i3, unless you like the aesthetics of gaps. The default settings are fine for me though

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« Reply #33 on: Fri, 20 October 2017, 21:49:21 »
I tried gaps for a while but thought it was kind of wasteful; sexy unixporn though.

I just explained I had sometimes troubles determining to which terminal window certain log lines where belonging to when I had terminal window stacked on each other and displaying logs and you call it "unixporn" : )

I didn't "try it": I set it up to solve a practical issue I had (basically "readability" in certain cases).

But it's true that it's damn good looking unixporn too  :thumb:
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« Reply #34 on: Sat, 21 October 2017, 16:17:02 »
I tried gaps for a while but thought it was kind of wasteful; sexy unixporn though.

I just explained I had sometimes troubles determining to which terminal window certain log lines where belonging to when I had terminal window stacked on each other and displaying logs and you call it "unixporn" : )

I didn't "try it": I set it up to solve a practical issue I had (basically "readability" in certain cases).

But it's true that it's damn good looking unixporn too  :thumb:

My screen estate is precious, tried gaps but I could cram in 3-4 more lines vertically of code. So meh... no gaps for me.
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« Reply #35 on: Sat, 21 October 2017, 18:36:42 »
My screen estate is precious, tried gaps but I could cram in 3-4 more lines vertically of code. So meh... no gaps for me.

I should really "Use the source, Luke!" and go modify the code of that tiling WM myself: my main "IDE" (well, Emacs) is typically using all the vertical height of the screen (besides the tiny "taskbar", but with a shortcut you can make the "taskbar" go away), so the only reason I'm wasting real-estate there is because the gap in Awesome WM also adds gaps at the "outter edges".

If it only added "useless gaps" between windows and not at the outter edge, I'd get both readability between my terminal windows and all the vertical height for Emacs.
 

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Re: Tiling window managers mmm
« Reply #36 on: Sat, 21 October 2017, 19:13:46 »
I really liked i3wm and especially for i3-gaps just for the eyecandy. However, I found that it was more hassle than it was worth so I went back to Xfce and instead just use tmux for a tiling terminal in xfce4-terminal.

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