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geekhack Community => Input Devices => Topic started by: CommonCurt on Wed, 18 October 2017, 02:00:40
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Here's to hoping they offer a beige version. Not going to hold my breath tho.
https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/17/16488406/microsoft-classic-intellimouse-features (https://www.theverge.com/2017/10/17/16488406/microsoft-classic-intellimouse-features)
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very nice
we have some old ones at work here but they're pretty crusty. i wonder how much they'll charge for these
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I wish they would bring the Trackball Explorer 1.0 back. I would hoard the hell out of it.
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:eek:
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Oh hell yeah. I've been unable to let go of an old Intelli 3.0 from a decade ago. As long as the guts in this don't turn out to be actual ****e, this is great news. Such a fantastic mouse, all around.
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I read that it's bluetrack..
So.. I'm bracing myself for disappointment..
HOWEVER, that is not to say, Bluetrack can't be tuned to work well like the classic MLT04..
The only caveat is, there's a reason why infrared is now being used, because it's less common a lightsource to be polluted..
Whereas Blue light is EVERYWHERE
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Are they really making a mouse that is only compatible with windows?
https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/mice/microsoft-classic-intellimouse#specsColumns-testCarousel [at the bottom of the page]
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Hope the click is as quiet as my old one
Sent from my SM-G935V using Tapatalk
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Are they really making a mouse that is only compatible with windows?
https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/mice/microsoft-classic-intellimouse#specsColumns-testCarousel [at the bottom of the page]
Oh wow. I was thinking "surely this mongoose is wrong, just misunderstanding something about customization software or something" but no, it does look like MS is actually somehow locking out functionality on other OS's which is... impressively petty.
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Would rather get my hands on a regular non-Explorer Intellimouse NIB. Did Microsoft slap a new shell on the Microsoft Comfort Mouse 6000?
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Interesting but I don't trust them..
Originally, the intellimouse range was impressive, if i remember correctly over time:
- first to have the scrollwheel
- first to have optical tracking, doing away with the rubber ball
It was amazing how more productive you was with scroll wheel, and then without the rubber ball.
It was around the time that Visual Studio with Intelli-features like code completion, and MS Word with auto-features like autocorrect etc.
But now, it is just "shoving familiarity" through people's throats.
Yes, the shape is probably amazing. But for the rest I don't really see what they are improving.
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It's not really about drastic improvements, it's that the Intelli 3 was a comfortable and long-lasting mouse that had an exceptionally good optical sensor (my friends in the old competitive quake and CS scenes swore by it). If you're so offended by microsoft selling something with nostalgia, that's fine, you're not totally wrong, but keep in mind that it's only $40. Hardly a manipulative price, whereas many companies sell nostalgia and strip-mine your wallet in the process. cough nintendo cough
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It's not really about drastic improvements, it's that the Intelli 3 was a comfortable and long-lasting mouse that had an exceptionally good optical sensor (my friends in the old competitive quake and CS scenes swore by it). If you're so offended by microsoft selling something with nostalgia, that's fine, you're not totally wrong, but keep in mind that it's only $40. Hardly a manipulative price, whereas many companies sell nostalgia and strip-mine your wallet in the process. cough nintendo cough
That's true.
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Nice. I was stoked as hell when they brought it back the first time back in '07 (I think?). Ended up buying like 4 of 'em. Definitely gonna nab me a couple of the newest iteration.
Hopefully they fixed the god-awful side buttons and scroll wheel. Oh, and hopefully the Blue Track sensor doesn't make it worthless for gaming.
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Nice. I was stoked as hell when they brought it back the first time back in '07 (I think?). Ended up buying like 4 of 'em. Definitely gonna nab me a couple of the newest iteration.
Hopefully they fixed the god-awful side buttons and scroll wheel. Oh, and hopefully the Blue Track sensor doesn't make it worthless for gaming.
What was wrong with the scroll wheel?
I had an IM 3.0 and the only thing that broke was the cord. It LITERALLY fell off. However, back in the day, MS had warranty... I just got a new one.
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i'mma bet, we're not getting d2f 01f..
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very nice
we have some old ones at work here but they're pretty crusty. i wonder how much they'll charge for these
Seems like it will be priced at $39.99.
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very nice
we have some old ones at work here but they're pretty crusty. i wonder how much they'll charge for these
Seems like it will be priced at $39.99.
I'm gonna be peeved if we don't get d2f..
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What was wrong with the scroll wheel?
I had an IM 3.0 and the only thing that broke was the cord. It LITERALLY fell off. However, back in the day, MS had warranty... I just got a new one.
The original's wheel was awesome. The '07 reissue's wheel was super loose and janky. The side buttons have always been awful... just super loose and rattly
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Man, there was a time the Intellimouse was the gold standard for optical mice.
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Man, there was a time the Intellimouse was the gold standard for optical mice.
As far as I'm concerned, the IE3.0 shape is still unsurpassed (for my hand anyways). The sensor and buttons on the other hand... could probably use an upgrade.
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As far as I'm concerned, the IE3.0 shape is still unsurpassed (for my hand anyways). The sensor and buttons on the other hand... could probably use an upgrade.
from what i've read, the sensor might actually be a downgrade.. :D
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As far as I'm concerned, the IE3.0 shape is still unsurpassed (for my hand anyways). The sensor and buttons on the other hand... could probably use an upgrade.
from what i've read, the sensor might actually be a downgrade.. :D
Where did you read that?
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from what i've read, the sensor might actually be a downgrade.. :D
Where did you read that?
there are already a few reviews out on sites that had it in stock early. reviews from gamers say it's simply unusable (in games).
the FPS of the sensor is fixed at 3000, which is very low for today's standards. even the original intellimouse had a maximum of 9000.
imo it's obvious that this classic intellimouse is an office mouse, and never intended to be a gaming mouse. not that that's surprising, because the original never intended to be a gaming mouse either.
i guess the "mixup" is that the original one happened to be suited for gaming, and now it's gamers that hope that this classic intellimouse is also a gaming mouse.
there are a few opinions in this thread here, if you're interested: http://www.overclock.net/t/1640202/microsoft-classic-intellimouse-3-200-dpi-2017
a few pictures of the internals can also be found there.
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Thanks for the link!
From that thread, I found this link to Microsoft's marketing page for it: https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/mice/microsoft-classic-intellimouse#devkit-highlights
Not a lot to go off of here, hard to decipher much useful information past all the marketing.
I've tried digging through the 30+ pages of this thread and have mostly seen everyone speculating and being preemptively disappointed and pissy while not actually knowing anything about it. One user, "Khoonda" reports that the sensor is horrible and spins out easily when playing CSGO. That's one person who has it and is ****ting on it but I'm hoping to see some more people test it out and provide some legitimate analysis, and on some other surfaces. Youtube has nothing useful yet, so I guess I'm gonna keep waiting. Tech bloggers have to be desperate to be the first to properly review it so it's only a matter of time before we see some useful reviews.
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i suppose you're right, it's not conclusive yet. i guess at best i can say that i predict that i'm gonna be right about it being an office mouse :P i'm just piecing things together, and so far it doesn't look like a gaming mouse in any way.
just a small warning though, i wouldn't blindly trust tech bloggers on mice if you plan on using it for gaming. it's their job after all, and they are very rarely "serious gamers".
judging mice takes at least some experience, or/and knowledge about them, which most tech reviewers don't have. generally, you're better off trusting reviews from the crowd of fps nerds :P reviews based on 10 minutes of desktop use are not all that helpful, if you catch my drift.
i don't often recommend him, but i think that if the youtuber "Rocket Jump Ninja" will ever review it, you can probably trust his verdict.
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imo it's obvious that this classic intellimouse is an office mouse, and never intended to be a gaming mouse. not that that's surprising, because the original never intended to be a gaming mouse either.
i guess the "mixup" is that the original one happened to be suited for gaming, and now it's gamers that hope that this classic intellimouse is also a gaming mouse.
The Intellimouse, maybe. But when they originally re-released the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 about 10 years ago, the marketing campaign was definitely aimed at gamers. They knew then why that mouse was so popular, so it just boggles my mind why they would re-release it yet again, but with a non-gaming sensor. Somebody didn't do their homework at Microsoft.
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Guess we'll see how it performs for gaming. Apart from 4K users there seems little reason to have added 3200dpi if not to still target some of the gaming demo. Windows only compatibility is stupid though.
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The Intellimouse, maybe. But when they originally re-released the Intellimouse Explorer 3.0 about 10 years ago, the marketing campaign was definitely aimed at gamers. They knew then why that mouse was so popular, so it just boggles my mind why they would re-release it yet again, but with a non-gaming sensor. Somebody didn't do their homework at Microsoft.
true, the re-release was. they just got lucky with the original becoming so popular. (fps) gaming was possibly not even a consideration when developing it.
i was also wondering who exactly this was aimed at, probably just anyone who has any feelings of nostalgia for it. and now, before there's no-one left who remembers :P
and i suppose microsoft is deliberately not marketing the Classic as a gaming mouse because they know it isn't suited for it.
edit: i'm thinking the choice was most likely very deliberate. microsoft is not known as a gaming-peripheral company, and the majority of potential customers (gamers) are too young to have any feelings for the intellimouse.
making a gaming mouse nowadays typically means features like rgb, high cpi (good sensor), extra buttons, (software for) customization, etc. the extra development / production cost for a mouse like this probably wouldn't pay off because the cool kids want a disco razer mouse or a minimalistic zowie mouse, and not a mouse from a company that's known for an operating system.
it makes sense that they would keep production cost low and go for an office-tier mouse, leeching off of our nostalgia :D this will most likely make them significantly more money from it.
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Are you forgetting that Microsoft has a little bit of experience in the gaming hardware sector? They made that little thing... what was it... the x-boy? Something like that. Microsoft is no longer just Windows, and have not been for a long time. They've made gaming peripherals (Sidewinder joysticks and mice), phone hardware, gaming controller hardware, and more. I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss this.
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Love it
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The dumbest thing is..
Microsoft can do NOTHING, no research , NOTHING
Just start selling their MLT04 mouse again.. and EVERYONE and their mothers would buy one.. @ $60
They could even just tune it slightly for 9000fps, 3000hz, 1600dpi out of the box.. Slap a G4m3r sticker on there.. and BOOM..
///It Prints Money///
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The dumbest thing is..
Microsoft can do NOTHING, no research , NOTHING
Just start selling their MLT04 mouse again.. and EVERYONE and their mothers would buy one.. @ $60
They could even just tune it slightly for 9000fps, 3000hz, 1600dpi out of the box.. Slap a G4m3r sticker on there.. and BOOM..
///It Prints Money///
I'm sold
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I cant wait. Just got a japanese inteelimouse 3.0 NIB from ebay and love it, old 1.1 mouse got taken by my brother. If this is even half as good im getting one. Oh who am I kidding im ordering one day 1 regardless.
EDIT: wait is it for sale now?
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Guess we'll see how it performs for gaming. Apart from 4K users there seems little reason to have added 3200dpi if not to still target some of the gaming demo. Windows only compatibility is stupid though.
Pretty sure you can't make a mouse windows only unless you give it some special driver
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I cant wait. Just got a japanese inteelimouse 3.0 NIB from ebay and love it, old 1.1 mouse got taken by my brother. If this is even half as good im getting one. Oh who am I kidding im ordering one day 1 regardless.
EDIT: wait is it for sale now?
japanese ?
does it come with D2F 01F ?
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Are you forgetting that Microsoft has a little bit of experience in the gaming hardware sector? They made that little thing... what was it... the x-boy? Something like that. Microsoft is no longer just Windows, and have not been for a long time. They've made gaming peripherals (Sidewinder joysticks and mice), phone hardware, gaming controller hardware, and more. I'm not going to be so quick to dismiss this.
i think you missed what my post implied. it's not about them being incapable of making a gaming mouse, it's about the majority of gamers looking at other brands when they're browsing for a new mouse. microsoft is not the brand that young gamers think of, it's razer, logitech, steelseries, zowie, etc. most people tend to stick to or go for brands they're familiar with. they trust these big, known brands. when it comes to mice specifically, microsoft isn't one.
i mean, how many professional gaming teams are using microsoft mice? microsoft is not "in the game", and it would require significant effort/resources to compete. they can't just make a gaming mouse and expect it to do sell well (without proper marketing), which is why i think they made an office mouse in stead.
microsoft is perfectly capable of making a (killer) gaming mouse, but i don't think the Classic is one. we'll see ;-)
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The dumbest thing is..
Microsoft can do NOTHING, no research , NOTHING
Just start selling their MLT04 mouse again.. and EVERYONE and their mothers would buy one.. @ $60
They could even just tune it slightly for 9000fps, 3000hz, 1600dpi out of the box.. Slap a G4m3r sticker on there.. and BOOM..
///It Prints Money///
Agreed 100%. I would buy the crap out of the original. As far as I'm concerned, if they fixed the side buttons it'd be a bonus. But I'd shell out for a re-issue no prob
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I read that it's bluetrack..
So.. I'm bracing myself for disappointment..
HOWEVER, that is not to say, Bluetrack can't be tuned to work well like the classic MLT04..
Bluetrack is an Office styled sensor designed to work on any surface. Suddenly they (Redmond) think that it could compete against any 3360 sensor, is like a drug-addled loser thinking he could win in a knife fight with Steven Seagal 8) .
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I bet there will be a base Intellimouse model and a better wireless Explorer model with a better sensor.
Oh it's already in the store
https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/mice/microsoft-classic-intellimouse (https://www.microsoft.com/accessories/en-us/products/mice/microsoft-classic-intellimouse)
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Agreed 100%. I would buy the crap out of the original. As far as I'm concerned, if they fixed the side buttons it'd be a bonus. But I'd shell out for a re-issue no prob
i'd think so. the switches are on their own tiny PCB right next to the buttons, as opposed to pressing weirdly long buttons that press switches on the main PCB. the main buttons seem to use spring-tensioning similar to how logitech does it.
to quote the poster of the below picture:
I really wish the sensor wasn't so bad, because the shape, materials, clicks, wheel, Mouse3, side buttons, and cable are great. If it at least had something like a 3310, it'd be my favorite mouse.
(http://cdn.overclock.net/f/f5/f59e443b_IMG_0498.jpeg)
edit: source (http://www.overclock.net/t/1640202/microsoft-classic-intellimouse-3-200-dpi-2017/290#post_26407938) for more pictures of internals.
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Hang on for a second. What was MS thinking? Let's see...
a) gamers who found the MLT02 historic great, only buy again if the new one also has great sensor
b) the rest of the people wouldn't even recognize an intellimouse coz they don't care (office peoplez)
So... you would think they would relaunch to appeal to category A people, but this only "appeals" to category B people, who are generally indifferent as to peripherals anyway.
So why didn't they put a great sensor in it? If it's for marketing purposes to appeal to the nostalgia of category A...
iLLucionist doesn't understand MS tactics here..
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There are non-gamers that care about shape.
My dad, for example, is still using his IMO 1.1.
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There are non-gamers that care about shape.
My dad, for example, is still using his IMO 1.1.
Get him a vertical mouse, he'll throw that thing out SO FAST..
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There are non-gamers that care about shape.
My dad, for example, is still using his IMO 1.1.
Get him a vertical mouse, he'll throw that thing out SO FAST..
Been there, done that. Went back to the IMO almost immediately. The only other thing that he's willing to use is a big-ass trackball, but the problem is justifying the price then.
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There are non-gamers that care about shape.
My dad, for example, is still using his IMO 1.1.
Get him a vertical mouse, he'll throw that thing out SO FAST..
those are awful, easily the least comfortable mice I've used
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There are non-gamers that care about shape.
My dad, for example, is still using his IMO 1.1.
Get him a vertical mouse, he'll throw that thing out SO FAST..
Been there, done that. Went back to the IMO almost immediately. The only other thing that he's willing to use is a big-ass trackball, but the problem is justifying the price then.
you gotta get a good one with good tracking..
the cheapo $15-50 ones are not going to be as good as the imo, tracking wise.
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to quote the poster of the below picture:
I really wish the sensor wasn't so bad, because the shape, materials, clicks, wheel, Mouse3, side buttons, and cable are great. If it at least had something like a 3310, it'd be my favorite mouse.
This is so god damn infuriating. So fkin close, yet so far. All they need to do is put a 3360 in that. That's it! They'd easily sell a metric TON of these things. With a sensor that can compete with the current crop of top-end gaming mice, and the official IE 3.0 shell, it'd dominate. I'd probably buy like 5-10 to keep me stocked for years.
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to quote the poster of the below picture:
I really wish the sensor wasn't so bad, because the shape, materials, clicks, wheel, Mouse3, side buttons, and cable are great. If it at least had something like a 3310, it'd be my favorite mouse.
This is so god damn infuriating. So fkin close, yet so far. All they need to do is put a 3360 in that. That's it! They'd easily sell a metric TON of these things. With a sensor that can compete with the current crop of top-end gaming mice, and the official IE 3.0 shell, it'd dominate. I'd probably buy like 5-10 to keep me stocked for years.
Yes, but haven't you learned? These companies are all about the "gross margin". Most pc-world products are crippled in stupid ways because they think they need to warrant a margin, even though making something super awesome (and increasing produce cost slightly) would sell like hotcakes.
Why do Lenovo Thinkpad laptops (some exceptions apply) don't come with good coverage and ips panels? Why hasn't IPS backlight bleeding and ghosting been fixed on most medium-expensive screens from Dell, Asus, etc.
Indeed, if they would do a proper IM3.0 with a proper sensor... I'd probably buy 2 to use and 1 to keep in stock for the future.
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Oh nice, my namesake :-*
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Oh nice, my namesake :-*
Sorry that it might be a bit more tarnished.
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God I hope somebody figures out how to mod a 3360 or equivalent sensor in this thing
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God I hope somebody figures out how to mod a 3360 or equivalent sensor in this thing
why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
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why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
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why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
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headscratch.
Tp4 is probably the 1 and only owner of a g4m3r grade 3366 vertical mouse on the planet..
So, u tell tp4, why put a 3360 in this, when they have a bunch of 3360 mice that already closely approximate the shape of the imo/ime
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why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
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headscratch.
Tp4 is probably the 1 and only owner of a g4m3r grade 3366 vertical mouse on the planet..
So, u tell tp4, why put a 3360 in this, when they have a bunch of 3360 mice that already closely approximate the shape of the imo/ime
Pictures AND video of this 3366 vertical mouse performing or it never happend >:D
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why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
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headscratch.
Tp4 is probably the 1 and only owner of a g4m3r grade 3366 vertical mouse on the planet..
So, u tell tp4, why put a 3360 in this, when they have a bunch of 3360 mice that already closely approximate the shape of the imo/ime
Pictures AND video of this 3366 vertical mouse performing or it never happend >:D
ERgopwn 9000, it's in my sig
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why would anyone do that ? there's nothing special about the shell.
(ლ‸－)
headscratch.
Tp4 is probably the 1 and only owner of a g4m3r grade 3366 vertical mouse on the planet..
So, u tell tp4, why put a 3360 in this, when they have a bunch of 3360 mice that already closely approximate the shape of the imo/ime
Pictures AND video of this 3366 vertical mouse performing or it never happend >:D
ERgopwn 9000, it's in my sig
*whispers* videos..
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*whispers* videos..
that's unreasonable mertx.. what part of the build draws suspicion.. hahahaha..
it couldn't be more straightforward a construction ..
2 mouse, 1 hub, cross wire buttons.
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*whispers* videos..
that's unreasonable mertx.. what part of the build draws suspicion.. hahahaha..
it couldn't be more straightforward a construction ..
2 mouse, 1 hub, cross wire buttons.
Hire someone to make a video for you. And then make a new PBT or POM shell for the Intellimouse while you're at it..
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Hire someone to make a video for you. And then make a new PBT or POM shell for the Intellimouse while you're at it..
//Cough..
Any ah... females... would like to sign up to appear in Tp4 - The Movie !! ??
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Got one! Feels pretty much the same in my hand, the higher dpi is nice for my 4k monitor but also it will make me less accurate in shooters so i'll need to remember to put sensitivity at lowest. The side buttons on this are better than any of the intelimouse 1.1 or 3.0 I've tried before, instead of feeling like flimsy plastic hanging off that can be clicked they feel like actual buttons. Overall I like it, I wish I could lower toe dp to at least 800 or better yet 400 the intelimouse 1.1 and my current 3.0 sitting off to the side do but eh I'll find a way to make due. Dunno what the big fuss about the blue led is, it works just fine for me on my huge ass mouse pad and its not a laser like my g600 has so its not gonna be amazing at that anyway.
Over all I like it so far, I'll use it more and post pics some time.
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Wait... what's the minimum DPI you can set it to?
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thats a good question, I never have done that any way other than through logitech software.... I should learn how to do that
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i believe it's stuck at 3200 unless you install "microsoft mouse and keyboard center".
and i wonder if the malfunction speed gets higher if you lower the cpi? worth a try :P
edit: site says (https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/d/microsoft-classic-intellimouse/94k0pmt1cmfw?activetab=pivot%3atechspecstab) "Tracking speed Up to 40 inches (1016 millimeters) per second".
dunno if it was added later or if i had somehow missed it before.
40 inches per second is lower than the intellimouse explorer 3.0 :-/
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Just installed the mouse center thingy, comes stock at 1600dpi, ranges from 400-3200. Setting it to 800. will report back about arrything it can do
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No option to turn off angle snapping... If it werent for that I would be perfectly happy with this mouse...
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No option to turn off angle snapping... If it werent for that I would be perfectly happy with this mouse...
That is a bummer. I'm pretty crap at super-fine precision aiming so I probably wouldn't have even noticed angle-snapping, but as the predecessor of a mouse remembered for things like accuracy and precision, that is a disappointment...
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angle snapping is a firmware feature, it's not a hard-physical characteristic of any sensor system..
If they release this mouse, it will almost certainly have the ability to turn it on or off, if it even has angle-snapping to begin with.
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angle snapping is a firmware feature, it's not a hard-physical characteristic of any sensor system..
If they release this mouse, it will almost certainly have the ability to turn it on or off, if it even has angle-snapping to begin with.
you don't know that for sure; angle snapping can be applied before anything even reaches the MCU. and the MCU in this mouse apparently isn't flashable, so even if it was a firmware feature, it might not be changeable at all.
and what do you mean "if they release"? the mouse can already be bought, and supamesican is not the first to mention angle snapping on this mouse.
on top of that, he mentioned he was using the software, so i wouldn't say "it will almost certainly".
i don't know if you're just that stubborn or if you did not read the thread at all.. :P
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angle snapping is a firmware feature, it's not a hard-physical characteristic of any sensor system..
If they release this mouse, it will almost certainly have the ability to turn it on or off, if it even has angle-snapping to begin with.
you don't know that for sure; angle snapping can be applied before anything even reaches the MCU. and the MCU in this mouse apparently isn't flashable, so even if it was a firmware feature, it might not be changeable at all.
and what do you mean "if they release"? the mouse can already be bought, and supamesican is not the first to mention angle snapping on this mouse.
on top of that, he mentioned he was using the software, so i wouldn't say "it will almost certainly".
i don't know if you're just that stubborn or if you did not read the thread at all.. :P
No i didn't read the thread..
But I refuse to believe it's this bad..
We'll need more details when it's gotten wider release.
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Jeez after reading about it since it's been released, my excitement is gone. Now I'm feeling more desperation for Microsoft to salvage this or for someone to mod a better sensor in as someone mentioned earlier.