[IC] GMK Hammerhead | July 6 - 31

[keylabskeycaps]

so i'm a bit confused after i've seen the prices at candykeys, the novelties kit is 80 euros but only 62 dollars, while the base kits are basically the same in dollar/euro with 138/140. is this correct or a pricing error at candykeys?

edit: will the deskmat also be available at candykeys?

I'll go ahead and reach out to them and confirm the pricing. Each regional vendor has jurisdiction over their own margins due to differences in taxes, import costs and shipping.

As far as the deskpads go, they will be US vendor specific due to the fact it is a new product and would be too expensive to ship in bulk to the EU and sell for a reasonable price currently unfortunately.

Edit: CandyKeys pricing on the novelty kit will be lowered, there had been a mistake.

[norb]

nice to hear, and about the deskmats, are you shipping them to germany? would be awesome to get one 

/edit: just checked your shop and 34$ shipping is too much sadly. gotta pass on these

[keylabskeycaps]

nice to hear, and about the deskmats, are you shipping them to germany? would be awesome to get one 

/edit: just checked your shop and 34$ shipping is too much sadly. gotta pass on these

Sadly the deskpads are pretty heavy once packaged and usps international shipping is a bear

The deskpads will be stocked in the store long term following this GB and I'll do what I can to either work out something with inventory shipped directly to a proxy to lower costs or another shipping system.

[Moridin]

Just joined for Git base, Cadet Alphas and Spacebars !

TheKeyLabs website is hijacking system scrolling, adding some strange latency. I don't know who owns the website but that is a Top Ten Do Not Do thing. I literally cannot select the kit I want, because the site scrolls either higher or lower.

Hey there, this issue was actually already on our radar - it's now fixed. Thanks so much for the feedback.

Smooth and perfect now! Thank you!

[keylabskeycaps]

Just joined for Git base, Cadet Alphas and Spacebars !

TheKeyLabs website is hijacking system scrolling, adding some strange latency. I don't know who owns the website but that is a Top Ten Do Not Do thing. I literally cannot select the kit I want, because the site scrolls either higher or lower.

Hey there, this issue was actually already on our radar - it's now fixed. Thanks so much for the feedback.

Smooth and perfect now! Thank you!

Hey that's great, I had hoped so, thank you for the heads up.

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[keylabskeycaps]

Thread Unlocked and updated. Looking forward to new feedback on the kit updates

[depletedvespene]

Lemme ask one thing:

In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R3 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?

Thanks!



EDIT: typo: R3, not R4 (there is one of those already).

[Kokaloo]

Pleeaaasseee have some way to include Core. I personally much prefer that over Deep Water.

[keylabskeycaps]

Lemme ask one thing:

In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R4 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?

Thanks!

Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I believe there should be a \| R4 in the bottom/additional key section of the base kit.

[keylabskeycaps]

Pleeaaasseee have some way to include Core. I personally much prefer that over Deep Water.

I really like the light colored kit as well, however unfortunately the last run we ran into a situation where the kits were competing with one another. And given the budget for one kit, most people selected deep water. We're collecting feedback on the interest for the OG core kit in the form, so if you have a second, answering that question would be really helpful.

Unfortunately some tough calls may need to be made, and we'll just have to see if there is enough interest to justify running both kits at once, perhaps just the light alphas, or considering running the "og core" as a different set with some different novelties later down the line.

[nasp]

Love that you have put ortho mods in the spacebar kit. I think this a good approach since it's just 4 keys; however, I would change up those legends. There's no consensus on Esc and Tab. They can either go on r2 or r3 - I've even seen some put a blank key for Esc on r4. Instead of having another pair of Esc and Tab, I'd consider changing them to the following:

R2: Out
R3: Data or Read

Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.

And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!

I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.


Cheers!


PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.

[Cresc3nt]

Filled out the IC form. I personally love the deep water kit a lot so I can't wait when the GB opens back up. Great job 

[norb]

it's back! Nice.
as i wrote in the IC form and iirc it was mentioned in the original IC, would you please consider exchanging the three skull novelties with the shark fin novelty? i think it would be a far better representation of the hammerhead theme. ofc a skull may in some way be related to a shark but if we think of it that way there should also be a cut-off arm and that's not what we want, do we? 

either way i'm totally down for the 2nd try on this, no matter what!

[euphxenos]

I think the novelties kit is too large, and lacks thematic focus.  Is this GMK Hammerhead, or GMK Yacht Club/Pirate/Hammerhead?  Some of them remind me of the Land's End catalog more than sharks.  I love the hammerhead novelty, but I doubt I'd buy a novelty kit this large just to get that.  It might be worth paring it down to just the shark fin and the hammerhead, and putting those in the base kit.

It would be helpful if the rows were labelled in the kit renders.  Is this 112344, or something else?

I'm interested in both the Deepwater and the lighter alphas, but I'll probably pass on both without an R3 PgUp and R4 PgDn.

[depletedvespene]

Lemme ask one thing:

In the latest revision, the base kit supports UK English (in ISO) layout, while the international kit is essentially a NORDE kit (AltGr keys seem to be missing from both kits, though). Is this going to remain so, and would it be worth considering adding an R4 \| key to the base kit so it will have full UK+US ISO support?

Thanks!

Apologies if I'm mistaken, but I believe there should be a \| R4 in the bottom/additional key section of the base kit.

There is indeed. I made a typo and was asking about an R4 key when I meant an R3 key. Apologies.

[ogWalker]

im a big fan of the old core still! maybe do a seperate alpha kit? Looks good though, glad you're bringing this back

[gminso]

vote for separate alpha as well. mixing both alphas look good as in the old renders

[eskimojo]

Good to have you back, Cap'n. Great to see ISO UK still in base too!

Kits are looking good, and it's great that you're responding to feedback.

Would love a lighter alphas kit, put my vote in into the poll 

[forevermadrigal]

Deep water kit is lookin good

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Filled out your form. Would buy an alphas kit. I'm one of the people who likes when the alphas kits have the numpad numbers in them, but this is a matter of some debate.

More than anything, I hope the set gets made.

[roguesystem087]

YESSS deep water let's goooooooooooooo been waiting for your kit for agessss

Maybe a RAMA anchor or Lighthouse keycap artisan?

[SuddenlyDonkey]

Welcome Back!

[Ninja_mistic]

Stoked for the Deepwater!

[adxlk]

I like old core better

[Solotov]

My beloved Deep water is back 

[Emir]

Base kit looks a lot better now! Wish you the best of luck 👌

[Surefoot]

Yay at last ! Definitely in, for the Deep Water experience. Love it as it is, with the novelties and everything.
I might consider the 'original core' kit at a later date maybe... But not a priority.

[nyry43]

I really like the darker version!

The novelties are also really cool.

[chakkii]

already said it in the IC, I would split numpad into a separate kit, that will bring down the cost even more and the majority is not using numpad anyways

[eskimojo]

already said it in the IC, I would split numpad into a separate kit, that will bring down the cost even more and the majority is not using numpad anyways

Numpad belongs in base kit(in GMK sets at least) because:

 - Unnecessarily splitting up kits with GMK is small brain because of their process increasing kit costs and the GB process being simplified with fewer kits
 - Numpad is a relatively small number of keys and impact on overall kit pricing for those keys
 - There is a fairly large number of layouts that can potentially use those keys: Fullsize, 1800, 96key, uk78, left handed variants of anything with a built in numpad, and then just any non-numpad layout with a separate numpad
 - With a large potential percentage of buyers wanting it, having it in a separate kit raises the average paid cost for the set
 - On a set that may have a harder time reaching MOQ anyway, if a separate numpad kit doesn't hit it can cause a significant withdrawal of base kit orders, what usually happens to orders with ISO kits

Overall I think keeping the numpad in the base kit is improving QoL of the GB process and having a minimal effect on those not needing the numpad while making significant difference for those who do need it.

Count me as a vote against splitting numpad, thanks.

[jooobe]

Still love it

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[jooobe]

So alphas will no longer be 536c color?

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[Rayndalf]

Love that you have put ortho mods in the spacebar kit. I think this a good approach since it's just 4 keys; however, I would change up those legends. There's no consensus on Esc and Tab. They can either go on r2 or r3 - I've even seen some put a blank key for Esc on r4. Instead of having another pair of Esc and Tab, I'd consider changing them to the following:

R2: Out
R3: Data or Read

Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.

And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!
(Attachment Link)
I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.


Cheers!


PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.

I agree, I'd much rather have 3 'novelty' legends then 4 escape keys and 2 tab keys. Part of me would still want a second 1u shift keys for symmetry, but this is a good solution

[Faust_]

Super stoked for this to be up for group buy again!

[LawAbidingCitizen]

Very happy to see this return. I backed the drop, deepwater edition, before it was cancelled. Hoping to own these soon for my first build. 

[Surefoot]

I backed the original too.. Cant wait for the new GB. This kit is an example to follow, the base kit is perfect, the novelties are really sexy...

[andtar2]

NorDE kit is missing a few keys. It looks like its almost good for DE-layout but it is missing keys for SE/FI/DK/NO.



Unmarked keys are missing. This is kit image from IC for GMK Phosphorous

There is one more key missing that was not in this image: "` ´ |" for DK-layout

Edit: Missing DK-key

[MdotMaxson]

Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark

[nguyenhimself]

Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark

"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.

[Nivengoh]

Since everyone here has place their interest and input i shall give my 2cents as well. Please consider removing the R1 novelties for "anchor & light house" personally imo if both of those design are already available on the modifiers/window key it just doesn't really make any sense for them to be repeated on the R1 row.
But hey as mention this is just my 2 cents.

[keylabskeycaps]

Love that you have put ortho mods in the spacebar kit. I think this a good approach since it's just 4 keys; however, I would change up those legends. There's no consensus on Esc and Tab. They can either go on r2 or r3 - I've even seen some put a blank key for Esc on r4. Instead of having another pair of Esc and Tab, I'd consider changing them to the following:

R2: Out
R3: Data or Read

Thanks to Carbon and Pulse these molds already exist.

And they'll def. exist after Voyage runs!
(Attachment Link)
I added both Data and Read, but only because I wanted to give another mod option and I'm not a fan of the typical '" going in the mod spot.


Cheers!


PS: I'd love to see an alternate alpha set for the lighter alphas. Most GBs that have extra alphas end up going this way instead of providing a whole extra base kit.

Thanks for this note, as someone who doesn't use Ortho this is pretty helpful info. It's been added to my notes for the kit for possible upcoming tweaks in the next week or two and I might add it to the questions form also.

[keylabskeycaps]

Good to have you back, Cap'n. Great to see ISO UK still in base too!

Kits are looking good, and it's great that you're responding to feedback.

Would love a lighter alphas kit, put my vote in into the poll 

Hey thanks and appreciate the poll vote! Its looking like that is pretty requested, but I'll have to take a look at the sum of all data when we get a really solid chunk of it.

[MdotMaxson]

Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark

"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.

I think I’ll voice my opinion when and where I want but thanks. And what do you even mean if the light alphas come back I won’t be able to buy them?

[nguyenhimself]

Will only purchase the original colored alphas. This saddens me. Also I wish the bright green spacebsrs came in 2u instead of only dark

"Additionally, it was likely that the original Core would not hit MOQ as most people joining the GB opted for the darker kit instead of the original Core."
Even fi the light alphas come back, you won't be able to buy them anyway.
Just move on. Interest was checked and confirmed not sufficient.

I think I’ll voice my opinion when and where I want but thanks. And what do you even mean if the light alphas come back I won’t be able to buy them?

As OP said, in the “previous” GB, people mostly went for the dark alpha kit & the light one was unlikely to reach MOQ.
So, you *could* buy it, but it wouldn’t get produced due to lack of interest anyway.
The ship has sailed. Not enough people want the light alpha kit.

[MdotMaxson]

Cool guess what. I’m still gonna say I want one. Whether or not it helps. Does this bother you? Do you feel super cool telling me it’s not gonna happen. Nice flex bro I’m sure you need the confidence boost.

[mountainblocks]

The changes to the kit make this set even more desirable for me now. I'm in!

[WolfLink]

Any chance we could get media control keys? (Vol up & down, play/pause, fast forward,rewind)? Maybe in the novelties set or something?

[ChinaKnockoff]

Sorry - I'm new to Geekhack and to group buying. I'm very keen to grab a hold of these though! I'm based in Asia but I can't find any info on them on the Asian distributor site, zFrontier. I would very much appreciate any help in terms of logging my interest and subscribing to the group buy!

Thank you!

[jooobe]

Sorry - I'm new to Geekhack and to group buying. I'm very keen to grab a hold of these though! I'm based in Asia but I can't find any info on them on the Asian distributor site, zFrontier. I would very much appreciate any help in terms of logging my interest and subscribing to the group buy!

Thank you!

It will be listed closer to GB launch date

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