[IC] GMK METROPOLIS 2 - Coming April 02 - 40% Update

[yukitoki]

teal gang where you at

[XiXora]

Sad to see UK ISO gone. I look forward to seeing the coverage kit.

Is there a chance to see 2x 1.5u Super/Code and 2x 1u Alt for those of non-Windows persuasion?

🙂

[Space_Case88]

I'm in for the Midnight kit. Please and thank you.

[Vigrith]

MIDNIGHT
Midnight, you are not forgotten! A precious few were able to experience this colorway due to the modifier add-on kit required, and I received LOTS of feedback on it. Available now as a standalone kit, this reworked midnight offering brings in the mono novelties that cramped the R1 signs kit, and the accent arrows from the R1 extras.

All sounds a bit too good to be true doesn't it? And you'd be right... so much fun has to come at a cost.You'll have to give up your numpad to do it.

Good ****. I remember asking you for this on KC at the very beginning and you were optimistic about offering it with R2 - glad to see you managed to make it happen. Appreciate it. Will be buying.

Best of luck!

[Retne]

I do wish this was running in a different profile but I will likely buy in once this goes live.  Metropolis is such an iconic set I feel like I have to pick it up even if GMK isn't my favorite.

[ImBakinBacon]

This is not meant as criticism but I was just curious what the reason/design decision was (if any) for the split mod style (red for bottom two rows and yellow for all the others). I really like the color scheme and overall feel of the design but that aspect felt a bit random to me. I know it's probably too late at this point since it's already R2 and it would add so many keycaps but personally I would love for the option to have either full yellow and full red mods, maybe even as an extension kit.

Either way I am excited for the Midnight set and I'll join for novelties as well so I can get those extra accent colors!

Totally happy to answer this as many might not know. I wanted this set to break from the traditional "alphas one color, mods another" and feature a uniform base color. Which posed a bit of a problem when it came to incorporating the 3 legend colors i wanted. The early Symbolics keyboards featured split mod legends on the two bottom rows, and it felt like the perfect way to give a nod to those early keyboards, as well as further help this set come into its own.

Thanks for the background!

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

I asked for neph lock caps lock about 2 years ago but I'll settle for r1 nov

Metal caps? Rama or otherwise?

[stealthymangos]

Can't wait for the Nephlock Rama keycap  . The original run was my first GB and I got extra cool keycaps? You have a fan for life. Can't wait for the next new keyboard set from you.

[nkd_oh]

Missed this set the first time, ain't missing it again!!

[kapowaz]

The biggest difference here, is the removal of full UK ISO support. 
Unfortunately the usage on these kits keeps getting smaller

This feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy. Despite the hobby continuing to grow, it seems like fewer and fewer designers are willing to support ISO-UK, which further supports the position that it’s not worth supporting. Could you at least support it in a child kit?

[sup3r170va]

Nice set. I’m in. Is there a way to get the full turnpike mods in midnight?

[Ponker]

This is Poggers. Ponker bless.

[the_onlyhope]

My favorite set. Thank you for running this!

[LethalMcv]

The biggest difference here, is the removal of full UK ISO support. 
Unfortunately the usage on these kits keeps getting smaller, and it is with a heavy heart that I must bid it adieu and offer a paired down 'coverage' kit.

Metropolis is my dream kit for the my teal iron165 so I'm saddened to hear r2 is not supporting all UK ISO.
I hope you get enough feedback to add the support even if we have to buy it additionally.

[sup3r170va]

Oh. Can u also consider adding an SEA vendor? Either ILumkb or Monokei. Thanks.

[Szei]

Been waiting for R2 for a long time! That said, I hate how useless the CAPSLOCK key is so I have it rebound to BACKSPACE.
I know it's a high ask to get an actual R3 1.75u Backspace to replace Capslock, but based on R1 Metropolis I thought I could at least replace Capslock with the yellow R3 1.75u Signs keycap. Unfortunately that keycap has been cut from R2...

Any chance we can get a 1.75u R3 keycap back in the Signs pack? I don't want to be stuck with a Capslock key

Everything else looks great!

[nkd_oh]

Will there be a coiled cable with this one like you did with r1???

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Been waiting for R2 for a long time! That said, I hate how useless the CAPSLOCK key is so I have it rebound to BACKSPACE.
I know it's a high ask to get an actual R3 1.75u Backspace to replace Capslock, but based on R1 Metropolis I thought I could at least replace Capslock with the yellow R3 1.75u Signs keycap. Unfortunately that keycap has been cut from R2...

Any chance we can get a 1.75u R3 keycap back in the Signs pack? I don't want to be stuck with a Capslock key

Everything else looks great!

I mean, if there's no Neph Lock caps lock key (mostly joking) I'd like to put a sign there too?

[paperassgasket]

Hey your "compact" kit is missing a few keys.
Also there's some **** in there that nobody really needs.

Row 2 1.75u backspace, row 3 1.5u Enter and row 3 1.25u Tab will get you the physical compat you need for most 40's.

[Chippy]

love that midnight kit...

[J_C___]

I need this so badly

[IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES]

Hey your "compact" kit is missing a few keys.
Also there's some **** in there that nobody really needs.

Row 2 1.75u backspace, row 3 1.5u Enter and row 3 1.25u Tab will get you the physical compat you need for most 40's.

The keys you mention for physical compatibility even I as a non forties user know. Which ones would you cut?

[iinko_mk]

have you asked for quotes yet?

[Virex]

Oh. Can u also consider adding an SEA vendor? Either ILumkb or Monokei. Thanks.

I second this. SEA vendor please! Thanks in advance

[nasp]

Are the enters in the 40s kit supposed to be 1.5 or 1.75?

Assuming they're 1.75, please add r2 1.75u backspace and r3 1.5u enter.

Thank you for the catch, yes the enters should be 1.75 and have been updated.
As for the other caps, 40s kits are always "just a few more caps" away from capability for something and at some point a line needs to be drawn. That said, if enough feedback presents itself to warrant the addition I'll consider it.

Speaking of trimming the fat, I suggest removing both r3 returns - accent and non - since that is not the default Planck layout. Also, you could easily remove the second r4 1u shift.


Thanks Nephlock! Nice renders too, esp. that expanded 65% 

[Stev!e]

yes, Yes, YES! I have waited a long time for this!

[falzm]

I'm in! This is the last "grail" level keycap set missing to my collection, can't wait to have it!

[luke2fr]

Really excited !
I wish there is more than one stepped caps lock. only choice is legends . No sign or novelties for it :/

[bball2]

I think the base kit looks pretty great! Definitely in for a base kit + spacebars

[sirieous]

Glad to see it back!

[KucherenkoZZZ]

Would be nice to see RA MA collab with this set

[mr_fro2000]

I agree w/ others about adding a 1.75 backspace and 1.50 enter in the Compact kit... gotta have that minivan compatibility!

On a side note, a bit disappointed that the Midnight set is a full different base kit... since i already have R1 (it's one of my favorite sets of all time!), I've been looking forward to picking up the midnight modifiers... now it looks like i need to buy an entire base kit =(

In any case, excited that you are running this set again!

[Rob27shred]

The midnight tho!

[arunto]

Glad to see a round 2.  100% joining

[nephlock]

Hey your "compact" kit is missing a few keys.
Also there's some **** in there that nobody really needs.

Row 2 1.75u backspace, row 3 1.5u Enter and row 3 1.25u Tab will get you the physical compat you need for most 40's.

1.75u r2 backspace and 1.5u r3 return in 40s?

To support maximum 40s for minimum keys r2 1.75u backspace and r3 1.5u enter and r3 1.25 tab is the way to go. There's recently been a push for base kit 40s and that's accomplished by adding these three keys.

The 1.75 enter that you already have, whilst nice, is nowhere near as essential since caps lock or control (same row and size) could be used in it's place.

please add r2 1.75u backspace and r3 1.5u enter.

I agree w/ others about adding a 1.75 backspace and 1.50 enter in the Compact kit... gotta have that minivan compatibility!

Dear Users,
This hobby and industry was born as a community centered around joining projects you believe in, and feel you have a part in. You have more than showed up on that first part, and definitely exercised your voice on the second. Now it's time for me to do my part... You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

I wont waste time with fancy renders, so look past the crude mockups to the gold at the end of the rainbow. This is still an interest check after all, right?

Consider me humbled, and stay tuned.
-Neph

[mr_fro2000]

Dear Users,
This hobby and industry was born as a community centered around joining projects you believe in, and feel you have a part in. You have more than showed up on that first part, and definitely exercised your voice on the second. Now it's time for me to do my part... You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

I wont waste time with fancy renders, so look past the crude mockups to the gold at the end of the rainbow. This is still an interest check after all, right?

Consider me humbled, and stay tuned.
-Neph

That's great to hear!  Glad you are willing to take another crack at it.  While I'm no expert, I do know that Ttom was in the 40s discord picking their brain about 40s compatibility for the upcoming GMK Fuji set... I think their convo resulted in changes to the set.  Maybe that might be worth your time as well.

[cadrev]

I failed to ask this on my previous comment but is there a chance that the yellow icon enter key will be included?

[bobgr8]

high MoQ low cost set please 

[v1ntage]

I might buy an GMK kit again for this

[Hell-es]

+1 for F13

Glad this had a comeback

[XiXora]

 I think I may have misread the base kit wrt ISO and "coverage" kit.

Do these ISO keys in base provide sort of provide a half-half of UK and US?
Perhaps a NorDeUK kit would suffice so we can have all the accents available too (missing yellow)?

[matthewdias]

Dear Users,
This hobby and industry was born as a community centered around joining projects you believe in, and feel you have a part in. You have more than showed up on that first part, and definitely exercised your voice on the second. Now it's time for me to do my part... You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

I wont waste time with fancy renders, so look past the crude mockups to the gold at the end of the rainbow. This is still an interest check after all, right?

Consider me humbled, and stay tuned.
-Neph

Glad to hear it! I realized I suggested an unnecessary key in my post on page 1, so have edited. But I think the feedback is solid now.

[hottrout]

I always loved these colours, I bought all the sets in the original run. I am sad to see UK ISO support go for those people that waited all this time for round 2. I also love the new midnight set and will buy that. Do you think you could offer UK ISO in a separate kit and do you think the new run will match the old sets colours?

[Zaprey]

while i love this colourway sadly i cannot consider it due to the lack of uk iso.

as UK iso is 4 keys is it possible to move accented arrows to an accent kit or just remove them entirely?

[misswaffle]

Loving the Midnight base kit and deskmat! I will definitely be purchasing them.

I'm glad to see you're taking feedback from the community and are planning to revise the compact kit accordingly.

[kapowaz]

You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

It’s great that you’re taking on feedback in this manner, but I have to ask: are 40% users such a significant portion of customers that this is worth doing, but supporting the 3 additional keys for ISO-UK isn’t?

[paperassgasket]

Dear Users,
This hobby and industry was born as a community centered around joining projects you believe in, and feel you have a part in. You have more than showed up on that first part, and definitely exercised your voice on the second. Now it's time for me to do my part... You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

I wont waste time with fancy renders, so look past the crude mockups to the gold at the end of the rainbow. This is still an interest check after all, right?

Consider me humbled, and stay tuned.
-Neph

This is great news and I'm very happy to hear that you are approaching this situation with such modesty and openness. I'm impressed.
Is there a particular discord that you would like to discuss kitting options in or would you prefer feedback right here in this thread?

[nephlock]

Had the great pleasure today to step into the 40% discord to bring this kit up to this point.

This should hopefully be an answer to a lot of the feedback that has been posted here, and falls within the same cap count as what was provided previously.

My hope is that this kit redeems this set for those that felt put off by the original one, as well as makes strides to change 40s kits to be more in line with what those users actually use.

[nasp]

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Had the great pleasure today to step into the 40% discord to bring this kit up to this point.

This should hopefully be an answer to a lot of the feedback that has been posted here, and falls within the same cap count as what was provided previously.

My hope is that this kit redeems this set for those that felt put off by the original one, as well as makes strides to change 40s kits to be more in line with what those users actually use.

Looks good. I only have one suggestion.

As an ortho user, I feel a bit left out without a 1u enter accent. However, I would put it in the place of the default Planck layout, which is r4.

i.e. please remove the non-accent r4 'Send' and replace it with an accented version.  :thumb:

[Swishy]

You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

It’s great that you’re taking on feedback in this manner, but I have to ask: are 40% users such a significant portion of customers that this is worth doing, but supporting the 3 additional keys for ISO-UK isn’t?

ok, for this iso gets coverage in general physically unless this kit is made there are very many 40s boards that literally can't have the proper physical coverage.

Hey your "compact" kit is missing a few keys.
Also there's some **** in there that nobody really needs.

Row 2 1.75u backspace, row 3 1.5u Enter and row 3 1.25u Tab will get you the physical compat you need for most 40's.

To support maximum 40s for minimum keys r2 1.75u backspace and r3 1.5u enter and r3 1.25 tab is the way to go. There's recently been a push for base kit 40s and that's accomplished by adding these three keys.

The 1.75 enter that you already have, whilst nice, is nowhere near as essential since caps lock or control (same row and size) could be used in it's place.

Dear Users,
This hobby and industry was born as a community centered around joining projects you believe in, and feel you have a part in. You have more than showed up on that first part, and definitely exercised your voice on the second. Now it's time for me to do my part... You asked and asked for a Metro 40s kit and, based on the above, what I provided for R2 clearly isn't it. The flop on the Compact kit is on me, and I fully admit my ignorance when it comes to 40%. I am officially taking another pass at this kit, and would ask you to keep taking an active role in providing feedback on it.

I wont waste time with fancy renders, so look past the crude mockups to the gold at the end of the rainbow. This is still an interest check after all, right?

Consider me humbled, and stay tuned.
-Neph

Just gonna sound like a broken record here but I definitely think you should go the 3 key route



so you definitely have some choices, can't wait to see what you do!