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Title: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:53:11

Shipped!

All PCBs that can be shipped have been shipped!

 - Ron | samwisekoi



The GH-122 project got over-complexified and died of its own weight last time around.  But I still want an MX F-122 style keyboard.  (I use an F-122 at work, but it would be too loud for home.)

So I went back to the drawing board and came up with a design that has all the essential features of the original GH-122, but without the elevety-seven things that made it too complex to finish.

This board is ready to order!

GH-122.2016 Group Buy

COST:
If we order 20 of these, they will be $50 USD each, plus shipping ($15 for USPS Large Game Box to CONUS addresses).

Features:
- 7x24 Keyboard Matrix
- Teensy++ 2.0 Controller
- 100% Through-Hole Components
- 150+ Switch positions
- Full ANSI, ISO, and IBM F-122 Layout support (including dual split shift keys)
- 1.25 or 1.50 Modifiers with 6.25 or 7.00 spacebar
- PCB-mount switches and stabilizers in all positions.
- All 2.00 positions can be split into 2x1.00 keys
- Centered or offset Caps Lock positions
- PCB can be cut to fit Unicomp PC-122 case
- PCB can be cut and bent full-width
- CAPS (2x) plus NUM and SCRL LEDs
- All switch positions have pads and holes but not wiring for backlighting
- V++, Ground, and 2x PWM pads provided for expansion/backlight control
- Extra 2.00 position added to every row in left banks.
- Bonus switch position to enable a left-hand arrow block.

PCB will be 19.500" x 6.50" x 0.62" thick, black solder mask with white silkscreen.
- To be manufactured in traditional 0.062" material.
- Eight 0.125"  mounting holes around edge of PCB.
- Made in USA.

Caveats
Sorry, no ALPS support for this pass.

What is left to do?
⊠ Find 20 0 more homes for a giant keyboard.
⊠ Talk Metalliqaz into adding this to his Easy AVR USB Keyboard Firmware and Keymapper.
⊠ Collect money
⊠ Order PCBs
⊠ Wait a couple of weeks.
⊠ Test PCBs with Easy Keymap
□ Ship PCBs to happy homes.

Please reply to this thread to confirm final interest in buying this PCB.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:53:21
Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:54:40
Interested in this
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:56:06
Kewl.  What controller does it use?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:57:13
Kewl.  What controller does it use?

Teensy++.  I needed the pins for the big ol' matrix.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 07 March 2016, 17:59:52
Kewl.  What controller does it use?

Teensy++.  I needed the pins for the big ol' matrix.

Yep, thought so.  Firmware support is practically done with my code.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:01:27
So are we able to fit these babies in our 2100s and can we order plates along with them that will fit?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:13:36
Would totally be interested in this.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: rm-rf on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:18:00
This is very much like a project I've been working on.
I am interested.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:31:23
This looks like a dream for me.

But a few question left:
1, Shipping to Germany is possible?/How much?
        Or is ordering it/receiving it in September is fine? (will visit New York so shipping costs could be shorten.. maybe)
2. Do I need to solder anything other than switches onto the board? (If I will have to solder a teensy maybe it works, but anything else I really DO NOT KNOW (the total newbie at this)
3. Is it possible to replace the display in the top right corner which switches?
4. ISO is supported, but (like you said) I can make some nice things like HHKB Rshift..., or?
5. Casing is probably meant to be made by myself - so wood work I come.. ;)
6. Whats about the top plate? Include/ not because of the many different variants?

Thanks so far!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:41:55
Almost certainly interested in this project (still :) ).  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 07 March 2016, 18:55:42
So are we able to fit these babies in our 2100s and can we order plates along with them that will fit?

I don't know.  I do not have a 2100.  I am not doing plates, but perhaps Swill's tool will help.

This looks like a dream for me.

But a few question left:
1, Shipping to Germany is possible?/How much?
        Or is ordering it/receiving it in September is fine? (will visit New York so shipping costs could be shorten.. maybe)
2. Do I need to solder anything other than switches onto the board? (If I will have to solder a teensy maybe it works, but anything else I really DO NOT KNOW (the total newbie at this)
3. Is it possible to replace the display in the top right corner which switches?
4. ISO is supported, but (like you said) I can make some nice things like HHKB Rshift..., or?
5. Casing is probably meant to be made by myself - so wood work I come.. ;)
6. Whats about the top plate? Include/ not because of the many different variants?

Thanks so far!

1. I don't know the cost of shipping to DE, but I do know customs is a pain.  I'd be happy to hang onto one board and ship it to NY in September.
2. Switches, diodes, three resistors, three LEDs, and the Teensy.  Everything except the Teensy is easy.  Lots of items, but all easy.  By the time you get finished soldering 120+ diodes, you'll be able to solder the Teensy.  Also, you could solder in a socket for the Teensy, and only risk that.
3. That isn't a display, that is the Teensy controller.  So no.
4. Yes.
5. Also yes.
6. Not included because of the huge range of possibilities.

You are very welcome.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Here is my F-122 layout.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: rm-rf on Mon, 07 March 2016, 19:14:36
On a second note.
I want this as soon as possible!
fairly sure this will fit into my build I'm working on right now.
and I don't really feel like wiring each switch individually with a teensy++ with as many keys as this thing has...
here is what I am working with currently.

(http://i.imgur.com/gj5iXRW.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 07 March 2016, 20:34:50
I'll go in for one.

I was thinking of socketing the Teensy myself, just because the Teensy++ is expensive and I might want to use it on another project someday.

Guess I'll have to get a bag of Gaterons, though.  I was following this project from the beginning-- even ordered in a big bag of diodes and a Teensy++ in anticipation-- but set aside a huge quantity of Matias Clickies for the project. :p

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: vivalarevolución on Mon, 07 March 2016, 20:39:52
wtf samwise has reappeared.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 07 March 2016, 21:19:26
I love the idea but I'm not sure what I'd do for a case.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 07 March 2016, 22:20:39
I was looking at something like this.  http://www.hammondmfg.com/pdf/1456WL1.pdf

In an ideal world, someone could cut those top panels to serve as plates, or bend plates they cut to match them.  In a more practical approach, you could cut out portions of the top panel and bolt the keyboard assembly so the keys poke through.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 08 March 2016, 08:16:02
@samwisekoi

Thanks for your reply.
1 So basically I have to get the diodes somewhere (mouser - can you provide me a link? - so I have to learn how to solder them)
 
2What do you mean with "make a socket for the Teensy"?
Whats the maximal number of possible switch positions? (I assume around 130, if I use the complete top left part..

3 I need to get PCB-Mount switches (or desolder them from some old boards!?)

4 Due to no top plate I can easily switch the springs?

-
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 08 March 2016, 09:56:20
Overnight update:

I have an empty beige PC-122 case from Unicomp.  They cost $20, and look like a nice textured-plastic M-122 case, which they probably are.  I believe I can modify the layout to enable the PCB to be cut into two or three sections to fit the Unicomp case with some ribbon cables.

Would that path be interesting to anyone?

For non-US people, you could buy the case from Unicomp and have it shipped to me.  I could then place the raw PCB into the Unicomp package and re-ship it to you.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 08 March 2016, 09:59:08
Being able to cut the PCB up and use ribbon cable would be interesting.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Tue, 08 March 2016, 10:58:58
I'm in for 1, please.

If I had the time I'd volunteer to help make drawings for a sandwich-style case.  This would be a great board for work.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Dernubenfrieken on Tue, 08 March 2016, 11:26:46
Overnight update:

I have an empty beige PC-122 case from Unicomp.  They cost $20, and look like a nice textured-plastic M-122 case, which they probably are.  I believe I can modify the layout to enable the PCB to be cut into two or three sections to fit the Unicomp case with some ribbon cables.

Would that path be interesting to anyone?

For non-US people, you could buy the case from Unicomp and have it shipped to me.  I could then place the raw PCB into the Unicomp package and re-ship it to you.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Wouldn't that case be really odd fitting due to the curved backplate though?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 08 March 2016, 11:28:26
Wouldn't that case be really odd fitting due to the curved backplate though?
I tested it with a 60% board and some SA keycaps.

Fits fine!  Don't even need the SA keycaps.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Giorgio on Tue, 08 March 2016, 13:23:12
Quite sure that this could be modified to be made compatible with a g80-3000 case. Those who want such compatibility could simply not install the second row of function keys.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Tue, 08 March 2016, 13:56:14
so total 151 1u switches!? really nice!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: nyunyu on Tue, 08 March 2016, 15:33:14
Kewl.  What controller does it use?

Teensy++.  I needed the pins for the big ol' matrix.

You don't actually need it.

I'm planning to do 6x22 matrix with a 6$ Arduino Pro Micro clone, using 3x 74HC238 decoders and 1x 74HC151 multiplexer.
For the addressing of columns I need 6 pins: 3 pins for writing a 3 bit digital number (0-7) as column address, other 3 pins are for enabling the correct decoder, which will put 5V on the selected column.
Rows are read back through the multiplexer: 3 pins for 3 bit row address (0-7), 4th pin for enabling it's output. (it should be disabled when you are setting the address bits)

So I need 10 pins total, and theoretically I can access 8x24 keys.

Ofc, I have to rewrite the addressing part of the firmware.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 08 March 2016, 15:45:38
That's a lot of complexity when the board already has so much space available to install a teensy++
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: i3oilermaker on Tue, 08 March 2016, 16:16:12
I'm in
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 08 March 2016, 16:32:51
What's the timeline for this? I want one, but this coming next ~4 weeks will be a bad time for hobby projects.

Can I sign an IOU and pay after my taxes are resolved? ;-)

Other than that, I'm in. And I'm oddly thinking of gateron reds for this. Wouldn't that be a kick? BS layout with superlight keys...

 Still going to make a BS ergodox-alike. Hope to be typing on it by summer 2017...
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Tue, 08 March 2016, 19:25:59
Posting to express interest.

Seems like a fun project, i'll be watching development closely
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 08 March 2016, 20:38:59
Oh man, I was so into this the first time around, and was sorry to see it fizzle out. I don't see how I can pass this up.

But I'm confused by the notes in the OP; is this going to cost $50 or $70?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 08 March 2016, 20:51:42
One of the things we talked about last time was using an extra - thick PCB.  Assuming we do NOT do that, the PCB should be less than $50.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Tue, 08 March 2016, 20:58:09
Cool, thanks for clearing that up. It made more sense the second time I read through it.

Just so everyone knows, there's no reason you couldn't program this board with TMK if that's what you prefer (I do). I'll probably end up making a TMK keymap for this if nobody beats me to it.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: kenshinjeff on Wed, 09 March 2016, 01:25:56
- Holes and pads - but no circuits - for LEDs in all positions.

To be clear, there's holes for the leds but the leds are not connected to the teensy. So, if I wanted leds, I would have to somehow wire them up, right?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 March 2016, 07:52:25
- Holes and pads - but no circuits - for LEDs in all positions.

To be clear, there's holes for the leds but the leds are not connected to the teensy. So, if I wanted leds, I would have to somehow wire them up, right?

Wow, I didn't even notice that... but I think we are only seeing a few layers of the entire PCB.  I doubt sam would bother cutting holes for LEDs and not connect them back to the controller.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 09 March 2016, 07:57:59
- Holes and pads - but no circuits - for LEDs in all positions.

To be clear, there's holes for the leds but the leds are not connected to the teensy. So, if I wanted leds, I would have to somehow wire them up, right?

Wow, I didn't even notice that... but I think we are only seeing a few layers of the entire PCB.  I doubt sam would bother cutting holes for LEDs and not connect them back to the controller.
The OP says holes and pads but no circuits for LEDs.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Wed, 09 March 2016, 08:24:51
Honestly, I would like to see the extraneous LED holes and pads removed, to bring the price down. But I'll buy one anyway.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 08:56:10
Honestly, I would like to see the extraneous LED holes and pads removed, to bring the price down. But I'll buy one anyway.

Those LED holes don't add cost, and they are tiny, so they don't interfere with trace runs.  LED resistors, however, those make layout much harder, and with a board this big I wanted the space around the swiitches.

Since I don't personally use backlighting, I don't want to make my life harder to enable it.  But, since some people really like backlighting, I always leave the Cherry LED holes in place so they can be wired by hand.

What would add cost is another layer, so this is a two-sided PCB, which is all that is needed for a keyboard.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Wed, 09 March 2016, 08:58:53
Those LED holes don't add cost, and they are tiny, so they don't interfere with trace runs.

That's good to know. I guess I assumed that drilling all those holes would add cost, but I admittedly don't know much about PCB manufacturing/pricing.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 March 2016, 09:26:32
- Holes and pads - but no circuits - for LEDs in all positions.

To be clear, there's holes for the leds but the leds are not connected to the teensy. So, if I wanted leds, I would have to somehow wire them up, right?

Wow, I didn't even notice that... but I think we are only seeing a few layers of the entire PCB.  I doubt sam would bother cutting holes for LEDs and not connect them back to the controller.
The OP says holes and pads but no circuits for LEDs.

So it does.  :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: ChQuNg on Wed, 09 March 2016, 09:37:09
I'm in for one.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 11:41:38
I spent more time working on putting this PCB into the Unicomp case.  I think it is possible; it just might not be a good idea.

Regardless, I'll leave the IBM 0.350" gutter spacing to retain that possibility, but personally I think I will go for a sandwich case.  The attached design is completely inspired by the 60% acrylic cases (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=40468.550) designed by user alixinhzai (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=profile;u=16908)  from Viet Nam in 2013.  This version is rendered in layers of color to provide clarity.  Stabilizer cut-outs are not shown.  Plate thicknesses are:

Bottom, middle (plate layer) and top: 3mm/1/8".
Spacer layers (shown in white): 6mm/1/4".

All layers except the top layer are drilled for blind screws; the top layer is glued to the first spacer to hide the screw holes.  The LED spacing matches the M-122 indicator label available from Unicomp.USB cable exits from the right rear.  Feet TBD.

I used a pretty random layout for this mock-up, but we should standardize on two or three for cost reasons.  Also, once they are ready, I'll provide the CAD files for the case to anyone who wants to make one, source on, or use exotic materials like wood or metal.

Thoughts?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  I have a full reel of diodes, so if anyone who gets one of these boards wants some, I'll happily send some.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Wed, 09 March 2016, 12:28:00
Wow. Any idea, roughly, what such a sandwich case would cost?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 12:46:35
Wow. Any idea, roughly, what such a sandwich case would cost?

Not yet.  I have to draw up some proper CAD files and get a quote as a baseline.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 09 March 2016, 14:16:42
Whats about the plate? I assume it isn't bent so should I get these sculpted keycaps for? Otherwise I will use normal ones

@samwisekoi:Could you please refer to my pm? :)

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:04:54
New PCB layout.  Updates:

1. Cutout marked for 2x12 upper bank rotation.  Jumper pads provided for use in IBM/Unicomp/other bent cases.
2. Teensy++ controller rotated 90 degrees to provide direct USB access from the rear of a sandwich case.
3. Change #2 required the indicator LEDs to rotate and move as well.
4. Silkscreen marked for F-122/ISO-style layout, including dual split shift keys.  (This did NOT change the available switch positions, just the paint.)
5. Added .250" border padding to entire PCB.

Case design to follow when I can get to it.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  I don't have time to get to all of the PMs.  Please note questions in the thread and I will respond here when I can.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:17:04
Looking good.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:54:42
Is it possible to make some of the macro-keys on left side/up 2x size? Maybe also delete key?
Top left should be cause I can see the stab mounts (if I interpretate them right)

if backlighting is too hard to make, could I use LED strips?

questions about buying.
More

I like it. Will also take diodes, so I don't need to get them from somewhere.
Are you also selling (eventually from previous groupBuys) some pcbs/keycaps/stabs/this tool to easy change switch springs?

And maybe a kit to add backlighting to this (assuming I am able to do the main part without problems)?

Also looking to get a matrix-board pcb/gh 36/ergodox/Atomic or WhiteFox..
Just curious, if you have something in stock ;)

--
if you are fine with keeping it for a few month - shipping on time (around 2-3 weeks time to arrive in NY) is not a problem i assume, or?
Shall I pay now or only before flying to New York? (im fine with both)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 17:48:46
Looking good.

Thank you very much!

Is it possible to make some of the macro-keys on left side/up 2x size? Maybe also delete key?
Top left should be cause I can see the stab mounts (if I interpretate them right)

Upper-left corner is for a pair of (optional) 2x keys. The bank on the left is not.  If that is exciting to someone I can easily add that capability.

if backlighting is too hard to make, could I use LED strips?

Probably not.  At best you will get lighting on the sides of the case, but not from the keys themselves.

However, I am not the best guy to answer LED questions, since I don't use them.

questions about buying.
More

I like it. Will also take diodes, so I don't need to get them from somewhere.
Are you also selling (eventually from previous groupBuys) some pcbs/keycaps/stabs/this tool to easy change switch springs?

Fine for diodes; remember to tell me later (when I ask.)  I am absolutely not offering anything besides the PCB at this point.

And maybe a kit to add backlighting to this (assuming I am able to do the main part without problems)?

Again, not my thing.

Also looking to get a matrix-board pcb/gh 36/ergodox/Atomic or WhiteFox..
Just curious, if you have something in stock ;)

I have no stock, but keep an eye on the GH-36 thread, as I may be having more of those made.

--
if you are fine with keeping it for a few month - shipping on time (around 2-3 weeks time to arrive in NY) is not a problem i assume, or?
Shall I pay now or only before flying to New York? (im fine with both)

Pay when I ask for payment.


Whats about the plate? I assume it isn't bent so should I get these sculpted keycaps for? Otherwise I will use normal ones

The PCB is flat.


Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: blai5000 on Wed, 09 March 2016, 18:45:20
Would the PCB be mounted to the case in any way or would it be the type that is held in suspension by the switches and the switch plate?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 09 March 2016, 18:56:24
Would the PCB be mounted to the case in any way or would it be the type that is held in suspension by the switches and the switch plate?

Both, probably.

However, 244+ solder connections is a pretty firm hold.

I am doing the case design right this very minute, so we will see.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Thu, 10 March 2016, 10:50:46
Trying to come up with a layout that uses most of the available switch space and isn't just a direct copy of the Unicomp.

(http://i.imgur.com/kD2PQQs.png)

 :)) It's an absurd number of keys and I love it.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 10 March 2016, 17:26:16
Working on the Unicomp case concept today.  Based on careful measurements, the space between blocks should be 0.330".  I think.  ;)

Anyhow, I drew up a two-part adapter switch plate, and have submitted it for a quote in 6mm/1/4" Acrylic.

And since a switch plate is an essential part of a sandwich case, this will give a good indication of the cost of the most expensive layer of that piece.

Cheers!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: toidbb on Thu, 10 March 2016, 19:31:06
Is there still room to get into this GB? Really interested on where this is going.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Niomosy on Thu, 10 March 2016, 23:04:54
I don't need this I don't need this I don't need this.

Wait!  I'm going to wait until a fully assembled board is available.  Yeah, that's it! 

/begins chanting again
I don't need this I don't need this....
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: punkpc on Fri, 11 March 2016, 13:05:37
This project is looking great. Be nice if it would fit in my 2100 case, but that sandwich style case looks great too.

I'll be down for one if prices stay reasonable. 
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 11 March 2016, 13:22:54
Sandwich case for the whole pcb layout with ANSI standard layout? Count me in.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 12 March 2016, 13:23:26
Got some prices back.  A single custom plate is $80-100; less with volume.  The price is pretty much the same for SS or Acrylic.  And what adds cost is cutting time, so a plate of any configuration is around $100.  From there you can build a sandwich case, or make a plate-mount in an empty Unicomp PC-122 case.

Or you could make the plate a little larger, bend it a few times, and do a bent-plate case.

This is the least expensive option, and it seems to go with the design, in an industrial 1950's kind of way.  Add a beige crinkle-finish powder coat and some sides and some Nuclear Data keycaps, and you've got a big-ass Cold War keyboard.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 12 March 2016, 13:44:29
That sounds amazing. The only concern with the oversized bent plate, is that the "floating keys" style wouldn't really go with the Cold War aesthetic. You need a mounting plate that's separate from the bent metal case.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: blai5000 on Sat, 12 March 2016, 15:05:03
Got some prices back.  A single custom plate is $80-100; less with volume.  The price is pretty much the same for SS or Acrylic.  And what adds cost is cutting time, so a plate of any configuration is around $100.  From there you can build a sandwich case, or make a plate-mount in an empty Unicomp PC-122 case.

Or you could make the plate a little larger, bend it a few times, and do a bent-plate case.

This is the least expensive option, and it seems to go with the design, in an industrial 1950's kind of way.  Add a beige crinkle-finish powder coat and some sides and some Nuclear Data keycaps, and you've got a big-ass Cold War keyboard.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

That bent-plate case is pretty much exactly what I was thinking; it'd be perfect!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 12 March 2016, 15:31:29
awesome pic!

But I think I will add a top plate after some time because I want to figure some things out (e.g. add the keys around the arrowkeys, ...) and for that its easier+cheaper that I can modify/add/remove the switches better

The 100$ price for the plate: is it for the WHOLE plate pictured above (so basically a case without a bottom/sides) or only for the top plate??
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 12 March 2016, 16:30:33
Workin on this.  So many keys!  :eek:

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Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 12 March 2016, 16:31:49
I wanna know who's going to make keycaps for all these keys?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 12 March 2016, 18:34:39
I don't really care. Got around 4 cherry boards yesterday (one 1500 and 3 medical ones, but no doubleshots one them)

If needed Ill color them :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: SpAmRaY on Sat, 12 March 2016, 18:55:09
I wanna know who's going to make keycaps for all these keys?

It's already been done, haven't you heard of nuclear green data all row 3 SA caps? And you can always use RAD HARD as accents.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Sat, 12 March 2016, 19:59:22
I wanna know who's going to make keycaps for all these keys?

It's already been done, haven't you heard of nuclear green data all row 3 SA caps? And you can always use RAD HARD as accents.
I know about nuclear data, but does it have enough keys?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 13 March 2016, 12:39:39
I wanna know who's going to make keycaps for all these keys?

It's already been done, haven't you heard of nuclear green data all row 3 SA caps? And you can always use RAD HARD as accents.
I know about nuclear data, but does it have enough keys?

Yup.  This is why there were all those extra packs.  M1-12, Media, re-labelable, etc.  I'll pull together a full kit and upload a photo.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:10:54
GH-122.2016 Weekend Update 2016-Mar-13

After pondering what to do for cases, and getting various estimates and quotes, I have come up with A Plan:

NOTE:  None of these estimates include switches, stabilizers, a Teensy++, or anything other than what is specified explicitly.

Option A.  Plain PCB.  >$50 (plus plus shipping and duties, if any.)

Sized to fit into a Unicomp PC-122 or to be used otherwise, the PCB alone will cost >$50 (plus shipping and duties, if any.)  The block spacing is 0.330", so if that works for Cherry cases, woo-hoo.  (More on that below.)


Option B.  Plain PCB plus adapter strips FOR the Unicomp PC-122 case.  ~$70 (plus plus shipping and duties, if any.)

This option add three or four plastic strips to be glued into the Unicomp case to provide a base for attaching the PCB.  The strips will be somewhere between $10 and $30 per case, depending on volume.  This option provides a PCB-only fit in the Unicomp case.  The case is $20 so this is the lowest-cost complete solution I can think of.


Option C.  PCB plus adapter strips AND a pair of stainless steel plates to fit the Unicomp PC-122 case.  ~$170 (plus plus shipping and duties, if any.)

This add a pair of steel plates to Option B, one for the main keyboard and a smaller one for the upper bank of 24 switches.  This option provides probably the best feel in the Unicomp Case.  The cost of the plate will depend greatly on the number of IDENTICAL plates ordered.  So if everyone orders the same ISO-style plate like the original F-122 had, then cost might go down by $40 each.  On the other hand, if everyone wants their very own plate layout, the cost for each plate will go up to $100+. So the total for this option is a semi-conservative estimate.


Option D.  Plain PCB plus full ANSI plate.  ~$170 (plus plus shipping and duties, if any.)

This is just a big plate and the plain PCB.  It will enable you to use all 150+/- switch positions.  As with Option C, this cost goes down with volume of IDENTICAL plates ordered.  MOQ for the first price drop is FIVE IDENTICAL plates.


Option E.  Plain PCB plus giant bendable stainless plate.  ~$200 (plus plus shipping and duties, if any.)

This is just a very big plate that can be bent into a "bent-plate case" and the plain PCB.  It will enable you to bend the plate, attach a populated PCB, and have a giant, hard-core keyboard.  As with Option C and D, this cost goes down with volume of IDENTICAL plates ordered.  MOQ for the first price drop is FIVE IDENTICAL plates.

===

So those are the options I think will work.  Naturally, if you want to get a PCB and a plate, and make your own case, that is ok as well.  I will publish all of the measurements and DXF files for the plates, so if someone else wants to design a case or other solution, they can.

As always, my desire is to find 20 people who want to go in with me to get the GH-122.2016 PCB made.  The case options are just enablers.

Please reply with comments and what option(s) seem interesting to you.

Happy Evil Clock Re-Setting Day!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  I'd be happy to add mounting holes and check dimensions for Cherry case compatibility.  However, I do not HAVE such a keyboard, so if someone wants to either lend me one OR take careful measurements, I can put that info into the PCB design.  Absent a keyboard of the measurements I can't and won't add Cherry case compatibility except by accident!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:49:23
so no full ISO plate?

also no bent ISO-Plate?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: blai5000 on Sun, 13 March 2016, 14:23:14
For the bendable plate, I assume it's just an extra-large plate that we have to bend ourselves, right?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Hak Foo on Sun, 13 March 2016, 20:02:16
Did we get any estimates on the sandwich case and plate?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 March 2016, 07:47:07
In for a PCB for sure.  Can't commit to a plate/case until I see the layout but those options sound interesting.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: danielucf on Mon, 14 March 2016, 09:00:46
This would be the best keyboard to have 4 Esc keys on, and an insane amount of artisans. This is like the Limousine of the keyboard world. As someone that thinks an 80% is too big, I kind of want one. Regardless this is going to be a very cool project for anyone who partakes. I'm excited to see where this goes.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Mon, 14 March 2016, 09:44:27
Im game for at least a pcb, but interested in option D once i see renders
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: MAR82 on Mon, 14 March 2016, 09:53:16
I need to see if I still have a case from a rubber dome 122 key, and if I do I'll be in for a PCB + plate
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 14 March 2016, 12:17:15
OK, so everyone likes a PCB and some like a plate.  ON ALL PLATES, the layout is up to you/us.  I chose ISO for the F-122 because that is what the F-122 had, and ANSI for the full plate, because that provides the maximum switch positions.  But any plate option can be made in any layout.

I think I'll slice this project into two chunks.  #1 will be the PCB-only Group Buy thread (this one.)  #2 will be a GH-122.2016 Case Options thread, which I will go create in Making Stuff Together here: GH-122.2016 Case Options (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80473).  I *may* move some of the posts from this thread over there.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 17:57:02
OK, I think this is ready to order.

GH-122.2016 PCB

- 7x24 Keyboard Matrix
- Teensy++ 2.0 Controller
- 100% Through-Hole Components
- 150+ Switch positions
- Full ANSI, ISO, and IBM F-122 Layout support (including dual split shift keys)
- 1.25 or 1.50 Modifiers with 6.25 or 7.00 spacebar
- PCB-mount switches and stabilizers in all positions.
- All 2.00 positions can be split into 2x1.00 keys
- Centered or offset Caps Lock positions
- PCB can be cut to fit Unicomp PC-122 case
- PCB can be cut and bent full-width
- CAPS (2x) plus NUM and SCRL LEDs
- All switch positions have pads and holes but not wiring for backlighting
- V++, Ground, and 2x PWM pads provided for expansion/backlight control
- Extra 2.00 position added to lower-left bank.

PCB will be 19.500" x 6.500" x 0.62" thick, black solder mask with white silkscreen.

Price estimate is $50 plus shipping.  MOQ is 20 PCBs, but I will place the order once payment is received for 10 PCBs.


Leadtime is estimated at 3 weeks.

Who wants one?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 17 March 2016, 18:18:18
Looks awesome! I absolutely love the revisions, and my mind is already wandering, trying to settle on the perfect layout for this thing. I am definitely in.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:51:56
Can I make one suggestion before you say it's the FINAL final revision, pretty please? Can we have the 2u key option for all the keys on the left side block?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Thu, 17 March 2016, 20:54:19
By the time we're done with this thing there won't be any silicon left to mount the switches to!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 17 March 2016, 21:13:03
Personally, I'd say that left section a great location to use those two-stem 2x POS keys everyone has a trillion of from the Grab Bags.  Just mount a dummy switch (I suppose something like a Red would work, as it would offer the least resistancxe) in the other slot and program it as inactive.

Also, in for one, and for another for round II in which you give up your heretic ways and make it ALPS, in the style of classic ALPS battleships like the Focus 9000 and Ortek MCK-142.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 09:49:22
Can I make one suggestion before you say it's the FINAL final revision, pretty please? Can we have the 2u key option for all the keys on the left side block?

Yes. Are you in?

ALPS, on the other hand makes the bottom row and the ISO Enter block really hard. Unlike Cherry, ALPS has both leads in a line,  so multi-position spacing has fatal conflicts. So no ALPS on a multi-layout board. Sorry. (I could make the fixed 1.00 positions ALPS-compatible,  if that helps any.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 18 March 2016, 09:51:50
Can I make one suggestion before you say it's the FINAL final revision, pretty please? Can we have the 2u key option for all the keys on the left side block?

Yes. Are you in?

ALPS, on the other hand makes the bottom row and the ISO Enter block really hard. Unlike Cherry, ALPS has both leads in a line,  so multi-position spacing has fatal conflicts. So no ALPS on a multi-layout board. Sorry. (I could make the fixed 1.00 positions ALPS-compatible,  if that helps any.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I'm definitely in!


I must have a bent plate version with wooden sides. It shall be so.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 10:07:53
Im in, Cant wait to see some case options.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Fri, 18 March 2016, 11:49:36
Can I make one suggestion before you say it's the FINAL final revision, pretty please? Can we have the 2u key option for all the keys on the left side block?

Yes. Are you in?

ALPS, on the other hand makes the bottom row and the ISO Enter block really hard. Unlike Cherry, ALPS has both leads in a line,  so multi-position spacing has fatal conflicts. So no ALPS on a multi-layout board. Sorry. (I could make the fixed 1.00 positions ALPS-compatible,  if that helps any.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I'm definitely in!


I must have a bent plate version with wooden sides. It shall be so.
This is what I want. Although I would like to mount the guts deeper in the case, rather than the floating-keys style shown in the mock-ups.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:05:58
This is what I want. Although I would like to mount the guts deeper in the case, rather than the floating-keys style shown in the mock-ups.

I really like that idea. Bent metal "frame" with standoffs to mount the switch plate below. This should go into the case discussion, though. :)

Bring on the PCBs!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 12:08:18
Okay, I've added optional 2.00 positions and stab mounts to all of the LH bank.  Also, while I was in there, I added a "bonus" switch position that will enable a left-hand arrow cluster.  Totally optional, of course.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 18 March 2016, 13:19:36
with the added left- Arrow cluster:

is it possible to make CTRL/ALT 1.5u each?
Or is 1.75u possible/Whats the possibilitys for CTRL/ALT?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: njbair on Fri, 18 March 2016, 13:51:15
with the added left- Arrow cluster:

is it possible to make CTRL/ALT 1.5u each?
Or is 1.75u possible/Whats the possibilitys for CTRL/ALT?
You could make ctrl and alt 1.25u each, with a .75u gap between ctrl and right arrow, but I don't think you can do 1.5 for both. You can do a 1.5u alt and a 1u ctrl.

It really doesn't matter actually, because ctrl belongs up next to the A key anyways.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:01:14
with the added left- Arrow cluster:

is it possible to make CTRL/ALT 1.5u each?
Or is 1.75u possible/Whats the possibilitys for CTRL/ALT?
You could make ctrl and alt 1.25u each, with a .75u gap between ctrl and right arrow, but I don't think you can do 1.5 for both. You can do a 1.5u alt and a 1u ctrl.

It really doesn't matter actually, because ctrl belongs up next to the A key anyways.

The possible options mentioned are correct.  Really the only available options are the one shown (1.0 + 1.5) or 2 x 1.25 with a 6.25 spacebar.

That extra switch position is a bonus for Lefties and gamers.  The rest of the bottom row is unchanged.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:52:03
Updated OP with final description, rendering of PCB, and circuit layout.

Please reply to buy.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: njbair on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:53:52
I'm buying one, in case I haven't actually come out and said so yet.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:55:48
I'm buying one, in case I haven't actually come out and said so yet.

You did.  You are #1 on the list in OP2.   :thumb:

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 18 March 2016, 14:56:27
I'm interested.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: njbair on Fri, 18 March 2016, 15:07:32
I'm buying one, in case I haven't actually come out and said so yet.

You did.  You are #1 on the list in OP2.   :thumb:

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Great! Now I can check off my bucket list entry for "join a GB before jdcarpe."
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: Data on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:24:34
Replying again to buy. Take my money, please.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: blai5000 on Fri, 18 March 2016, 16:58:40
Put me in, I'm all for this beast!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 18 March 2016, 19:34:35
Who wants one?

Me, please.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 18 March 2016, 19:40:28
Got some prices back.  A single custom plate is $80-100; less with volume.  The price is pretty much the same for SS or Acrylic.  And what adds cost is cutting time, so a plate of any configuration is around $100.  From there you can build a sandwich case, or make a plate-mount in an empty Unicomp PC-122 case.

Or you could make the plate a little larger, bend it a few times, and do a bent-plate case.

This is the least expensive option, and it seems to go with the design, in an industrial 1950's kind of way.  Add a beige crinkle-finish powder coat and some sides and some Nuclear Data keycaps, and you've got a big-ass Cold War keyboard.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

The case you are describing with those caps is exactly what I would want!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 18 March 2016, 19:43:38
Not sure how I missed this. I'm in.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: rm-rf on Sat, 19 March 2016, 01:14:57
 i'm interested in one pcb please!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: blighty on Sat, 19 March 2016, 01:38:22
This looks like a fun project.  Definitely in for a pcb and some sort of case solution (if possible).
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Reply to Buy
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 09:13:20
Wow, ok then.  24 hours was enough!  As of this moment I have enough people to proceed.  And metalliqaz has already completed the code!  That means we can start to build layouts and layers now, although I can't see who would need MORE keys!  (Perhaps different sets of LH keys for different uses?)

Anyhow, this is the kick-off list as of now:

njbair
hak foo
jdcarpe
Spaceman1200
SpAmRaY
Data
blai5000
HoffmanMyster
iamtootallforthis
engicoder
rm-rf
blighty

Everyone else: there is still time to add yourself to the list!

After the weekend I will e-mail invoices to everyone who signed up.  Once at least 10 people actually pay, I will place the order.

In other news, I am now working on a "universal" plate design.  Check the case thread for updates on that.

Happy Saturday!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 19 March 2016, 09:36:17
count me in for one pcb+ diodes.. if you have them laying around :)

But only if shipping around September+ receiving it during 2 weeks is possible (I assume..)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 09:42:40
count me in for one pcb+ diodes.. if you have them laying around :)

But only if shipping around September+ receiving it during 2 weeks is possible (I assume..)

Sure thing!  You're on the list.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: WNovizar on Sat, 19 March 2016, 10:24:23
The GB already closed??? I want to join D:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Sat, 19 March 2016, 11:08:16
The GB already closed??? I want to join D:


Everyone else: there is still time to add yourself to the list!



 - Ron | samwisekoi


You can still join

I think
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 19 March 2016, 11:29:24
If nothing else, I like that the success of this project shows there's clear demand for bigger boards.  I'm so sick of the trend of SSK-size, leading to 75%, 60%, 40%, and "Well, I can only type half the alphabet without using a modifier but it fits into a pocket of my skinny jeans"
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: WNovizar on Sat, 19 March 2016, 11:36:00
I am interested in buying this PCB, only if it comes with Plate and Case
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Sat, 19 March 2016, 11:37:26
If nothing else, I like that the success of this project shows there's clear demand for bigger boards.  I'm so sick of the trend of SSK-size, leading to 75%, 60%, 40%, and "Well, I can only type half the alphabet without using a modifier but it fits into a pocket of my skinny jeans"

i do like my 60% for typing and some games, But, i do like bigger boards for fps/mmo games
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Data on Sat, 19 March 2016, 13:10:17
Big, command center-style boards clearly have their place.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 19 March 2016, 16:54:07
Still open.  Just reply with an "I'm in!"
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: punkpc on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:17:26
Damn... was hoping this was going to take a bit longer... Funds are tapped out till after vacation. :(

Hopefully there will be a round 2.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Hak Foo on Sat, 19 March 2016, 23:41:53
You're only No. 14 on your own purchase list?  Waiting for someone else before you feel confident in signing on? :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 20 March 2016, 13:57:59
You're only No. 14 on your own purchase list?  Waiting for someone else before you feel confident in signing on? :)

Nah.  Forgot to add myself.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: njbair on Sun, 20 March 2016, 14:05:44
Does the Teensy mount on the bottom or the top of the PCB? I'm mainly asking in regards to accessing the reset button for flashing.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 14:07:03
As long as the PCB fits a Unicomp 122 key rubber dome case you can count me in for a PCB and maybe a plate if you end up making them.
Can you ship to France? If yes, any idea how much shipping would be?

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 20 March 2016, 15:32:03
Does the Teensy mount on the bottom or the top of the PCB? I'm mainly asking in regards to accessing the reset button for flashing.

On the bottom.  The center of the Teensy is aligned with the center of Column 22 (Numpad_5 column.)  The brown layer of the circuit diagram is the back silkscreen, and the image of the Teensy++ there is as accurate as I could make it, especially the placement of the USB connector and the reset switch.

As long as the PCB fits a Unicomp 122 key rubber dome case you can count me in for a PCB and maybe a plate if you end up making them.
Can you ship to France? If yes, any idea how much shipping would be?

I can't say for sure about that case.  I am trying to make it fit the Unicomp PC-122 B/S case, but I won't know if I succeeded untilI have the PCBs in hand.

Regarding shipping, I can ship anywhere -- but paying for shipping, insurance, and Customs will be your responsibility.  I'll try to estimate shipping cost to Europe this week.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 15:44:12
As long as the PCB fits a Unicomp 122 key rubber dome case you can count me in for a PCB and maybe a plate if you end up making them.
Can you ship to France? If yes, any idea how much shipping would be?

I can't say for sure about that case.  I am trying to make it fit the Unicomp PC-122 B/S case, but I won't know if I succeeded untilI have the PCBs in hand.

Regarding shipping, I can ship anywhere -- but paying for shipping, insurance, and Customs will be your responsibility.  I'll try to estimate shipping cost to Europe this week.

I'll try to post some pictures of the inside of the case this week in hopes that someone will be able to tell me if it's the same as the BS model

Edit: it just seems more cost effective for them to have used the same case for both models
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:48:35
As long as the PCB fits a Unicomp 122 key rubber dome case you can count me in for a PCB and maybe a plate if you end up making them.
Can you ship to France? If yes, any idea how much shipping would be?

I can't say for sure about that case.  I am trying to make it fit the Unicomp PC-122 B/S case, but I won't know if I succeeded untilI have the PCBs in hand.

Regarding shipping, I can ship anywhere -- but paying for shipping, insurance, and Customs will be your responsibility.  I'll try to estimate shipping cost to Europe this week.

I'll try to post some pictures of the inside of the case this week in hopes that someone will be able to tell me if it's the same as the BS model

Edit: it just seems more cost effective for them to have used the same case for both models

The important thing is the spacing between the blocks.  On the Unicomp PC-122, the spacing is 0.330" (8.38mm), and so the PCB has that spacing.  (Actually, I used 0.340, 0.330, and 0.330" so they sum to 1.00".)

Anyhow, if you can measure the physical width of each of the three bars between the key blocks, I can tell you if they are the same on my empty PC-122 B/S case.  If that was a confusing request, let me know and I'll post a picture of what I need to know.

(Or, I suppose someone could just send Unicomp an e-mail and ask.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: Dee1 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 08:29:23
Still open.  Just reply with an "I'm in!"
I'm in! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:43:30
Yes, I can do this now.

Also, once you've written up the final .dxf for the plate -- remember I've run a couple group buys for laser-cut steel as there's a shop not too far from where I work that used to have pretty okay prices. You could consider sending it to me for part of your 'shopping around'

 Or I could PM you the shop's contact information but they've historically been hard to email.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:53:30
I guess I'm in.
Even though I'm unsure whether it will fit in a 2100 case or not I could easily use a case from a unicomp 122 which would suffice quite nicely.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: Eugene45 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:30:25
What are the possible case this PCB will fit ?
Title: Re:GH-122 case choices
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:30:35
What are the possible case this PCB will fit ?

There's a more thorough discussion in the other thread (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80473.0), but right now I think the answer is:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: toidbb on Mon, 21 March 2016, 15:43:59
I'm in
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 22 March 2016, 11:41:53
Quick update: I've modified and marked the PCB to enable safe removal of the entire left-hand bank.  This is apparently needed for use in some Cherry case(s).

FYI to anyone interested in doing that,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - MOQ Met
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 23 March 2016, 06:00:39
As long as the PCB fits a Unicomp 122 key rubber dome case you can count me in for a PCB and maybe a plate if you end up making them.
Can you ship to France? If yes, any idea how much shipping would be?

I can't say for sure about that case.  I am trying to make it fit the Unicomp PC-122 B/S case, but I won't know if I succeeded untilI have the PCBs in hand.

Regarding shipping, I can ship anywhere -- but paying for shipping, insurance, and Customs will be your responsibility.  I'll try to estimate shipping cost to Europe this week.

I'll try to post some pictures of the inside of the case this week in hopes that someone will be able to tell me if it's the same as the BS model

Edit: it just seems more cost effective for them to have used the same case for both models

The important thing is the spacing between the blocks.  On the Unicomp PC-122, the spacing is 0.330" (8.38mm), and so the PCB has that spacing.  (Actually, I used 0.340, 0.330, and 0.330" so they sum to 1.00".)

Anyhow, if you can measure the physical width of each of the three bars between the key blocks, I can tell you if they are the same on my empty PC-122 B/S case.  If that was a confusing request, let me know and I'll post a picture of what I need to know.

(Or, I suppose someone could just send Unicomp an e-mail and ask.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Sorry but I'm still not sure what part needs measuring. Here are pictures of the inside of the Unicomp rubber dome 122 key.
If the pictures don't allow you to tell the size let me know what parts I need to measure
Thanks for the help
(http://i.imgur.com/Hpbt6iv.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/B06CDTX.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 23 March 2016, 11:45:01
Except for the missing LED holes, that looks identical to my B/S version.  I think you're good.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 23 March 2016, 12:43:27
Except for the missing LED holes, that looks identical to my B/S version.  I think you're good.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Sounds good!
You can count me in for 1 PCB and 1 plate (if you make plates for this case)

Thanks for all the help  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: tassadarforaiur on Thu, 24 March 2016, 21:07:04
Is the unicomp 122 compatible w/ an ibm 1390702? I messed up a boltmod attempt, so if I could swap the pcb, I might be interested.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 28 March 2016, 15:28:45
PayPal invoices sent via e-mail to group members #1-22. If you weren't signed up yet, but still want one of these, please reply to this thread and/or send me a PM.

Everyone who signed up, please pay by the end of the week!

Thanks and best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  jdcarpe paid before I could even post this!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Open through 27-Mar-2016
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 28 March 2016, 15:34:48
p.s.  jdcarpe paid before I could even post this!

Brown noser
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: njbair on Mon, 28 March 2016, 15:45:31
Paid!

I would have beaten JD but I lost precious minutes of my life convincing PayPal that no, I don't want to bill this to PayPal credit, and no, I don't want to use the default bank account payment method THAT YOU REFUSE TO LET ME CHANGE TO MY POINTS CARD.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:17:48
All: Thanks for the prompt payments!

Non-US geekhackers: I just estimated USPS shipping cost to the UK as an example, and came up with $25 USD for First-Class Mail (insured but not tracked) and $60 USD for Priority Mail (insured AND tracked).

These will be light but long, so the USPS sticks it to us.  If it helps any, I imagine shipping more than one in a single package would hardly add to the cost.

FYI,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:23:26
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: Dee1 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:26:56
Paid! :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 16:34:37
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Mon, 28 March 2016, 18:45:55
Paid!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: WNovizar on Mon, 28 March 2016, 19:24:08
Where is my invoice  :'(
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 28 March 2016, 19:26:50
Remitted.  I can't believe how quickly this operation is running.  I guess people are worried that you could break off one edge of a spare PCB and run them through if they don't pay.

Them 60% boards are barely long enough to break the skin, much less pierce a vital organ. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: rm-rf on Mon, 28 March 2016, 20:17:12
Paid !
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: Data on Mon, 28 March 2016, 20:17:23
Paid.   :cool:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 28 March 2016, 21:20:11
Ron what are you thinking about doing case wise for these? I really like the one piece bent metal case design.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 29 March 2016, 09:31:28
Thanks all!  My master list is back at the office, so I'll update the [PAID] list later today.  (I will also send WNovizar another invoice to the e-mail address just provided.)

I am going to review the layout one more time, then place the order.  The boards should arrive around April 15th, and I'll build up a 100% test keyboard to check both the hardware and firmware.  Once I know it works, I'll ship the US boards immediately in the USPS Priority Mail large game boxes I just ordered.  Best case timeline puts PCBs in your hands around the 1st of May.

Once that is done, I am going to pull some of the switches back off of the PCB, and mount it into a Unicomp PC-122 case.  No plate.  (I'll document that process for those who want to replicate it.)  See the GH-122 case thread for discussions about plates and cases.

TL;DR Ordering soon. PCBs to be tested then shipped for mailing via USPS Priority Mail around May 1st.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Payment Due
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 30 March 2016, 08:11:52
My airplane is about to take off, I'll pay the invoice as soon as I get to my destination
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 30 March 2016, 13:10:35
Latest version -- as ordered.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: hebbler on Wed, 30 March 2016, 16:41:06
Just joined the buy.  I was following the "GH-122 Making a Stupidly Large MX (or Alps) Keyboard" thread from last year with great interest.  Saw this popup on Spy, glad I didn't miss it.  Thanks samwisekoi!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Wed, 30 March 2016, 17:53:25
I've been day dreaming about this board all week but they all revolve around me getting my hands on a full Nuclear Data set  :(

I'm going to be following the project with great interest. Really cool to see the 122 actually happening, Sam  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 31 March 2016, 13:23:28
Ok, I just got the expected phone call from the manufacturer:

"Do you really want those holes to overlap each other?"

Why yes.  Yes I do.  Even those nasty ones around the ISO and ANSI Enter key locations.

"Thanks.  We'll get this order going."

Apparently not every PCB looks like a crazed maniac hit it with #2 buckshot.  But MINE do!

Anyhow, situation normal.  PCBs going into the build process now.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Data on Thu, 31 March 2016, 13:25:29
Ha!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Thu, 31 March 2016, 19:01:17
At least they check that kind of thing, but still funny lol
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 01 April 2016, 08:23:34
Sorry that I am quite a bit late. I was in holidays and had no possibilitys to answer.
 Is it still possible to order one pcb?
Would it be possible that you pre-solder the pcb for me? (I am really unexperienced at soldering all those small parts, and would really prefer getting a full pre-soldered pcb (soldering in switches works (usually :'( )
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: 3K on Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:15:25
Sorry that I am quite a bit late. I was in holidays and had no possibilitys to answer.
 Is it still possible to order one pcb?
Would it be possible that you pre-solder the pcb for me? (I am really unexperienced at soldering all those small parts, and would really prefer getting a full pre-soldered pcb (soldering in switches works (usually :'( )

You're in the list of orders, IIRC. Also I'm somewhat sure that these PCB only require switches to be soldered on, no diodes etc.(see jdcarpes post below)

Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
    [...]
  • blighty  [PAID]
  • Phenix 
  • samwisekoi  [PAID]
[...]
[/list]
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:26:18
Sorry that I am quite a bit late. I was in holidays and had no possibilitys to answer.
 Is it still possible to order one pcb?
Would it be possible that you pre-solder the pcb for me? (I am really unexperienced at soldering all those small parts, and would really prefer getting a full pre-soldered pcb (soldering in switches works (usually :'( )

You're in the list of orders, IIRC. Also I'm somewhat sure that these PCB only require switches to be soldered on, no diodes etc.

Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
    [...]
  • blighty  [PAID]
  • Phenix 
  • samwisekoi  [PAID]
[...]
[/list]

As many through hole 1N4148 diodes as you have switches, and the Teensy++ 2.0 will need to be soldered on, but those aren't difficult.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:28:17
Sorry that I am quite a bit late. I was in holidays and had no possibilitys to answer.
 Is it still possible to order one pcb?
Would it be possible that you pre-solder the pcb for me? (I am really unexperienced at soldering all those small parts, and would really prefer getting a full pre-soldered pcb (soldering in switches works (usually :'( )

You're in the list of orders, IIRC. Also I'm somewhat sure that these PCB only require switches to be soldered on, no diodes etc.

Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
    [...]
  • blighty  [PAID]
  • Phenix 
  • samwisekoi  [PAID]
[...]
[/list]

As many through hole 1N4148 diodes as you have switches, and the Teensy++ 2.0 will need to be soldered on, but those aren't difficult.

Diodes and Teensy need to be purchased separately right?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:31:41
Diodes and Teensy need to be purchased separately right?

From my understanding of the OP, that is correct. We are getting a bare PCB only.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 01 April 2016, 12:06:53
This group buy is for a bare PCB only. It is designed to be as simple as possible to solder and assemble, with 100% through-hole components.  Setting aside a case, the following items need to be added to make it functional:


* This is just an example of the switches you might want to use.  There are other types and better prices.  TechKeys.us (http://techkeys.us/collections/accessories/products/keyboard-switches) has MX-compatible switches for as low as $0.30 each, or $45.00 total for qty=150.
** Another example.  See the LED series/parallel array wizard (http://led.linear1.org/led.wiz) to determine the correct resistor for your preferred LEDs.

I suggest buying extra diodes, resistors and LEDs because they are cheap, and if you mess some up, you can just replace them with new.  The silkscreen on the back side of the board shows where everything goes AND the direction of the Teensy and all the diodes.

This should be an easy build.  Lots of room, that's for sure.

Here is a saved shopping cart at Mouser.com:

http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=7300592a59 (http://www.mouser.com/ProjectManager/ProjectDetail.aspx?AccessID=7300592a59)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: blighty on Fri, 01 April 2016, 12:59:41
Ordered diodes and the Teensy yesterday.  Totally spaced the indicator LEDs/resistors.  Thanks for running this and posting the helpful links!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Phenix on Sat, 02 April 2016, 09:42:54
Sorry for the delays.

The hotel in NY is not able to handle a packet >:D :-X

Could you ship it to Germany instead? (I am still looking whats the cheapest option)

options I found so far
More
1) top-right if packet is  L+B+H=90 cm (no one side longer than 60 cm) If anything fits it's the best I assume
https://www.dhl.de/en/paket/preise/preise-international.html
World - Outlet - EUR 16.00

2) myUS
FedEx Economy    5 - 10 business days    normal USD 32.87    premium USD 27.40

3) Shipago
http://www.shipago.de/tarifrechner?from%5BcountryCode%5D=US&from%5Bcountry%5D=USA&from%5Bstate%5D=Texas&to%5BcountryCode%5D=DE&to%5Bcountry%5D=Deutschland&to%5Bformatted_phone_number%5D=null&to%5Binternational_phone_number%5D=null&to%5BcompanyName%5D=null&packages%5B0%5D%5Bid%5D=0&packages%5B0%5D%5Bweight%5D=null&packages%5B0%5D%5Blength%5D=null&packages%5B0%5D%5Bwidth%5D=null&packages%5B0%5D%5Bheight%5D=null

DHL Import Express Wordwide
31,12 € without taxes
     or
UPS EXPEDITED ® IMPORT
35,38 € ithout taxes

4) USPS
First-Class Package International Service

Max. length 24", max length, height and depth (thickness) combined 36"
Rolls: Max. length 36". Max length and twice the diameter combined 42"
https://ircalc.usps.com/MailServices.aspx?country=10137&m=7&p=0&o=10.5822&dpb=0&mdt=2016/04/04%2008:00&r=True&l=21.6535&h=8.6614&w=1.1811&g=0&dvi=60

23$

edit: Added another oppurtunity. Please reply, thanks!

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: 0100010 on Sat, 02 April 2016, 20:49:38
How on earth did I miss this thread?!?  Sent PM.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Data on Sun, 03 April 2016, 23:16:19
I'm thinking I want to use these LEDs in my board, one each red (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bringht-led-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915137.html), green (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Green-led-lighting-beads-brightness-2000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915138.html), and blue (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bright-led-lighting-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for/629743_1041914232.html) for the 3 Lock indicators.  The legs are 2.54mm apart so I should be OK for fitment, right?

I noticed the green is about twice as bright as the other two, but I should able to knock that down with the right resistor.  It's 20mA and 1.9-2.2Vf so I'm guessing 300 Ohms is about the right range?  Somebody help me out here, I'm terrible with these LED resistor calculations.   :-[
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: SpAmRaY on Mon, 04 April 2016, 06:21:55
For those needing switches www.mechanicalkeyboards.com has a wide variety.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:41:42
For those needing switches www.mechanicalkeyboards.com has a wide variety.

Received mine today.   :thumb:  Those guys are awesome.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:48:57
For those needing switches www.mechanicalkeyboards.com has a wide variety.

Received mine today.   :thumb:  Those guys are awesome.

Buck a switch, however.  Market-pricing I suppose.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:53:46
I'm thinking I want to use these LEDs in my board, one each red (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bringht-led-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915137.html), green (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Green-led-lighting-beads-brightness-2000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915138.html), and blue (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bright-led-lighting-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for/629743_1041914232.html) for the 3 Lock indicators.  The legs are 2.54mm apart so I should be OK for fitment, right?

I noticed the green is about twice as bright as the other two, but I should able to knock that down with the right resistor.  It's 20mA and 1.9-2.2Vf so I'm guessing 300 Ohms is about the right range?  Somebody help me out here, I'm terrible with these LED resistor calculations.   :-[

Use the LED wizard I put in my parts list post.  The Teensy is 5v.  Each circuit has a single LED.  And those LEDs probably do not all have the same electrical values.  Pin separation of 2.54mm (0.10") is fine.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:54:37
For those needing switches www.mechanicalkeyboards.com (http://www.mechanicalkeyboards.com) has a wide variety.

Received mine today.   :thumb:  Those guys are awesome.

Buck a switch, however.  Market-pricing I suppose.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

Original cherry switches are only $0.50/switch if buying at least 100 and who buys less that?  ;D

Of course cherry mx compatible ones are even cheaper.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:55:21
For those needing switches www.mechanicalkeyboards.com has a wide variety.

Received mine today.   :thumb:  Those guys are awesome.

Buck a switch, however.  Market-pricing I suppose.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

Nah, look again.  They have pretty good quantity discounts.  I paid $97 for 170 switches.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:59:08
I'm thinking I want to use these LEDs in my board, one each red (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bringht-led-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915137.html), green (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Green-led-lighting-beads-brightness-2000-MCD-for-backlight/629743_1041915138.html), and blue (http://www.aliexpress.com/store/product/High-Quality-100pcs-2x3x4-Rectangular-square-type-Utral-bright-led-lighting-beads-brightness-1000-MCD-for/629743_1041914232.html) for the 3 Lock indicators.  The legs are 2.54mm apart so I should be OK for fitment, right?

I noticed the green is about twice as bright as the other two, but I should able to knock that down with the right resistor.  It's 20mA and 1.9-2.2Vf so I'm guessing 300 Ohms is about the right range?  Somebody help me out here, I'm terrible with these LED resistor calculations.   :-[

Use the LED wizard I put in my parts list post.  The Teensy is 5v.  Each circuit has a single LED.  And those LEDs probably do not all have the same electrical values.  Pin separation of 2.54mm (0.10") is fine.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

I did.  It told me to use a 150 Ohm resistor for the green (I understand they have different voltages).  But I want to reduce the luminosity of the green LED by half (from 2000 to 1000mcd) to match the other two, so I guestimated that to 300 Ohms but I have no idea if it's a linear calculation or not.  That's why I asked.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 08 April 2016, 11:28:01
The factory is currently showing April 22, 2016 as a completion date for the PCBs.

I will provide further updates as I learn more.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Order Placed
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 April 2016, 14:30:09
Shipped!

They're coming...

Quote
Your order #638985 - 'GH-122.2016' (Design file: GH-122.2016 160330a.pcb) shipped to you on 11 Apr 2016

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: Dee1 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 16:18:39
Wow, that was fast! :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 11 April 2016, 16:31:48
Wow, that was fast! :D

I could let them age in my garage for three years or so...

Nah.  Full speed ahead!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:16:13
Man, that was super ahead of time
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: Data on Mon, 11 April 2016, 18:39:50
Sweet.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: Maddrake on Tue, 12 April 2016, 04:35:59
Hey there, im new around here but i was wondering if i could still get on this :D.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 12 April 2016, 09:16:38
Hey there, im new around here but i was wondering if i could still get on this :D.

Possibly.  Time to wait until the boards are in, tested, and all shipped out.  Stay tuned.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 18 April 2016, 12:23:23
I could let them age in my garage for three years or so...

Didn't catch this when you posted it. Cute.

Unfortunately I had a boss at work that did this. We bought some 150 computers, and no one was allowed to deploy them because he didn't like it when people were responsible for making decisions like turning on a machine or logging into windows.

Nineteen months later, there was enough pressure from higher ups to just put them out there, that he finally ... made a seven page checklist that had to be completed and signed each time a computer was deployed. He kept copies of them, and we kept the originals.

It was not so cute.

So, back on topic ... it's been a week; they should be [nearly] there, right...?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 18 April 2016, 13:41:29
They're here...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: njbair on Mon, 18 April 2016, 13:43:52
They're here...

 - Ron | samwisekoi
That's a thing of beauty. Can't wait!!!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: 0100010 on Mon, 18 April 2016, 14:19:32
Nice!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 18 April 2016, 15:10:36
The good news, bug #1, and how to watch testing in real time.

The Good News:

It fits into the Unicomp PC-122 Case!  Yay!

Bug #1:
The pads for the ISO Enter are 0.094" offset to the left.  I've already fixed this for any next run AND it can be fixed for these boards.  ANSI is fine, but the fix to this rev is a one-way street, and once modded for ISO, ANSI will be a problem.

Once I mod mine for ISO Enter, I'll mod anyone else's as desired.

Follow Testing in Real Time:
I'll be posting photos to Instagram way more often than here, so follow me there if you want to watch in real time:

https://www.instagram.com/samwisekoi/ (https://www.instagram.com/samwisekoi/)

Cheers, y'all!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: metalliqaz on Mon, 18 April 2016, 20:15:26
Nice lookin PCB!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:24:34
Nice lookin PCB!

Thanks!

heya, just wondering if it would be possible to change my shipping address?
or are they in the mail already?

I am going to test the PCB first anyhow. Then I will ask everyone to verify their shipping address, so you are in good shape.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 April 2016, 09:34:47
Where can we get a fancy bending jig?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: WNovizar on Tue, 19 April 2016, 10:18:39
Does the pcb fits Model M-122 Case?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 April 2016, 11:31:13
Where can we get a fancy bending jig?

Tap Plastics and Acrylic cement.  Very much helps with keeping track of 50 diodes -- and their polarity -- at a time.

Does the pcb fits Model M-122 Case?

Yes, I believe the M-122 is in fact the same as a Unicomp PC-122 case.  (Oddly enough, I don't seem to have an actual IBM-branded M-122 keyboard.)

 -Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Tue, 19 April 2016, 12:05:24
PCB looks great Ron! Now to decide if i want to use the unicomp case or wait for some other options.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:46:03
This message is being typed on the world's very first functioning GH-122!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:48:54
Awesome. :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 19 April 2016, 18:58:56
This message is being typed on the world's very first functioning GH-122!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

It lives! Awesome milestone for this titan of a project  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 20 April 2016, 00:36:18
Has there been any direction towards a consensus about plates?

I'm worried that the board will flex terribly, especially if it's in something like a Unicomp case.  G80-8200s are pretty saggy without plates, and they look like 60% boards by comparison to this.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: njbair on Wed, 20 April 2016, 07:10:09
This message is being typed on the world's very first functioning GH-122!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Congrats, man. This has been a long time coming.

Interesting switch choices, though. Some of everything?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 20 April 2016, 08:50:45
This message is being typed on the world's very first functioning GH-122!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Congrats, man. This has been a long time coming.

Interesting switch choices, though. Some of everything?

The MX Reds are on the board just for testing.  I will remove them later, so they are red for visibility.  As to the rest...

Think of it an MX Brown keyboard with the Cherry-specified MX Green spacebar switch.  (MX Green and Gray are supposed to be a spacebar switches.) To fill all eleventy-seven F-keys and modifiers, I used MX Black switches, of which I have a surplus.  Then I used a few more MX Greens for the arrow keys to ensure I can find them when under attack by zombies or whatever.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Received and being tested!
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 April 2016, 08:52:08
This message is being typed on the world's very first functioning GH-122!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Huzzah!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 21 April 2016, 19:51:20
Testing Update
Typed on the test sample GH-122.2016

So, here is an update for the people who want their GH-122 PCBs.  The board looks good, and I have found no wiring problems, but the ISO Enter switch that is also the ANSI \| switch is 0.094" too far to the left.  I can and will stretch those holes prior to shipment, but I want to do my own first.  Also, it is important to know that since moving the ISO Enter means moving the stabilizer holes, that is kind of a one-way deal.  So anyone who wants to have an ISO Enter key on THIS round of the PCBs needs to be certain.

On the firmware side, I have been working with metalliqaz to get a version that works properly with this giant matrix.  We've been bouncing changes back and forth, and this update is being typed using the GH-122.2016 with an experimental version of Easy Keymap.  Since Monday, we've gone from massive problems to a few remaining issues.  I'm confident they'll be sorted soon enough, as this is the third board he and I have debugged in this manner.  However, I do want to get the firmware to 100% so I know the hardware is there as well.  But if you are planning to use another source for firmware, then I am perfectly willing to ship your board before I get mine working.

On the case side, I haven't done much there, but I am making a "Swill case" for this test board.  I have the rubber pad in place now, and the under-plate is on order.  More on that when I have more to show.

Finally, WASD Keyboards has agreed to make custom keycap sets for us for only $60 for 122-140 keycaps to your design.  These are OEM height ABS keys with a very nice full-color legend under a clear coat.  I use them for all of my one-offs and odd-size keyboards, and there was a beautiful album cover set I made for a Secret Santa present a year or so ago.  Anyhow, I will get a set made and post pics so individuals can decide.  (Please keep religious discussions about keycap plastic out of THIS thread.)

Anyhow, there were a few problem with typing up the note above, but nothing terrible.

Also, one of my goals for this keyboard was to have all of the functionality of an F-122 with a brain transplant in a quieter Cherry MX form.  In this goal at least the test prototype with mostly MX Brown has suceeded.

More when I have more,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 11:57:08
Thanks for the update, cant wait to see your case idea
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Fri, 22 April 2016, 16:50:18
Ron,

Been following this project since the beginning. It's been so awesome to see everything come to fruition and all the input and help from the community in creating this behemoth of a board!

I have to ask for you to post some pics of the current one you are typing on!

Keep up the awesome work, it's been great seeing/reading the updates
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 22 April 2016, 17:35:26
Ron,

Been following this project since the beginning. It's been so awesome to see everything come to fruition and all the input and help from the community in creating this behemoth of a board!

I have to ask for you to post some pics of the current one you are typing on!

Keep up the awesome work, it's been great seeing/reading the updates

Here you go. All of the recent work has been in firmware, so not too much has changed on the exterior!

- Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: Maddrake on Mon, 25 April 2016, 09:03:14
Man im so excited. It looks great :D .
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:21:37
Thanks for the great updates and progress, Ron.  :D  I'm currently planning to use something akin to the Swill-style case you are working on, so I look forward to what you come up with for that. 
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 28 April 2016, 16:13:43
Firmware very close and custom cover plate arrived.

Soon!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Attaching a wiring diagram for Metalliqaz.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: merlin64 on Thu, 28 April 2016, 17:23:07
Wasn't in the buy because I would never be able to use a board this big without incurring some pain in my shoulders and arms. However I feel compelled to follow this thread, and everyday I wish I would have gotten one, if only to just put on display LOL.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: Maddrake on Thu, 28 April 2016, 18:06:19
Every update makes me want this keyboard more :,(
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: tjweir on Thu, 28 April 2016, 18:42:41
PM'd about the final PCB. 
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: punkpc on Thu, 28 April 2016, 18:43:22
Every update makes me want this keyboard more :,(

Agree... Please run a round 2
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Thu, 28 April 2016, 19:13:38
If somebody wants my spot PM me.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 29 April 2016, 06:39:47
If somebody wants my spot PM me.

If the remaining PCB is taken, I'll take yours Spamray. 
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 29 April 2016, 16:43:00
Hey giant keyboard fans!  Typing this from the testing keyboard, currently almost up and running.  Metalliqaz and I have been chasing down firmware for this big old board for the past year and/or week.  As it sits today, everything except ONE DAMN COLUMN works!  (The problem column contains Numpad 5.) We're trying hardware and software fixes every day, and are getting close.  Close, but no cigar.  (Huge thanks to Metalliqaz!)

Also, I've got a pretty good caseless solution going.  Good enough to use for testing, anyhow.  There is a potato pic on my Instagram, with more to follow -- probably more often than posted here.

This board turns out to be pretty sweet to use, so I expect there will be a second run.  Assuming enough people want one, etc.  In the meantime, here is how I'd like to do "trades":

If, to pick a random example, when I ask SpAmRaY for his shipping address, if he gives me an address that includes the real person name associated with, for example, tjweir, I'll ship it as requested, and I won't have to do anything about list management.  I'll just ship boards to places that people want them shipped.

Okay?

Anyhow, best regards from the only working GH-122 in existence.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: tjweir on Fri, 29 April 2016, 18:30:25
Hey giant keyboard fans!  Typing this from the testing keyboard, currently almost up and running.  Metalliqaz and I have been chasing down firmware for this big old board for the past year and/or week.  As it sits today, everything except ONE DAMN COLUMN works!  (The problem column contains Numpad 5.) We're trying hardware and software fixes every day, and are getting close.  Close, but no cigar.  (Huge thanks to Metalliqaz!)

Also, I've got a pretty good caseless solution going.  Good enough to use for testing, anyhow.  There is a potato pic on my Instagram, with more to follow -- probably more often than posted here.

This board turns out to be pretty sweet to use, so I expect there will be a second run.  Assuming enough people want one, etc.  In the meantime, here is how I'd like to do "trades":

If, to pick a random example, when I ask SpAmRaY for his shipping address, if he gives me an address that includes the real person name associated with, for example, tjweir, I'll ship it as requested, and I won't have to do anything about list management.  I'll just ship boards to places that people want them shipped.

Okay?

Anyhow, best regards from the only working GH-122 in existence.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

The "address remapping" works for me.  @spamray, would you still like to trade your PCB?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: SpAmRaY on Fri, 29 April 2016, 18:56:26
Hey giant keyboard fans!  Typing this from the testing keyboard, currently almost up and running.  Metalliqaz and I have been chasing down firmware for this big old board for the past year and/or week.  As it sits today, everything except ONE DAMN COLUMN works!  (The problem column contains Numpad 5.) We're trying hardware and software fixes every day, and are getting close.  Close, but no cigar.  (Huge thanks to Metalliqaz!)

Also, I've got a pretty good caseless solution going.  Good enough to use for testing, anyhow.  There is a potato pic on my Instagram, with more to follow -- probably more often than posted here.

This board turns out to be pretty sweet to use, so I expect there will be a second run.  Assuming enough people want one, etc.  In the meantime, here is how I'd like to do "trades":

If, to pick a random example, when I ask SpAmRaY for his shipping address, if he gives me an address that includes the real person name associated with, for example, tjweir, I'll ship it as requested, and I won't have to do anything about list management.  I'll just ship boards to places that people want them shipped.

Okay?

Anyhow, best regards from the only working GH-122 in existence.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

The "address remapping" works for me.  @spamray, would you still like to trade your PCB?

Sure however I'm not sure what extra shipping costs there might be to canada?? @samwisekoi probably didn't think about that. :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: Maddrake on Fri, 29 April 2016, 20:42:31
Im still down if anyone wants to give up there position. Down for a giant keyboard
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: tjweir on Sat, 30 April 2016, 07:54:12
Hey giant keyboard fans!  Typing this from the testing keyboard, currently almost up and running.  Metalliqaz and I have been chasing down firmware for this big old board for the past year and/or week.  As it sits today, everything except ONE DAMN COLUMN works!  (The problem column contains Numpad 5.) We're trying hardware and software fixes every day, and are getting close.  Close, but no cigar.  (Huge thanks to Metalliqaz!)

Also, I've got a pretty good caseless solution going.  Good enough to use for testing, anyhow.  There is a potato pic on my Instagram, with more to follow -- probably more often than posted here.

This board turns out to be pretty sweet to use, so I expect there will be a second run.  Assuming enough people want one, etc.  In the meantime, here is how I'd like to do "trades":

If, to pick a random example, when I ask SpAmRaY for his shipping address, if he gives me an address that includes the real person name associated with, for example, tjweir, I'll ship it as requested, and I won't have to do anything about list management.  I'll just ship boards to places that people want them shipped.

Okay?

Anyhow, best regards from the only working GH-122 in existence.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

The "address remapping" works for me.  @spamray, would you still like to trade your PCB?

Sure however I'm not sure what extra shipping costs there might be to canada?? @samwisekoi probably didn't think about that. :D

I'll pay the difference.  Such is life in he north :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 01 May 2016, 10:35:15
Ok, apparently I made things worse, not better.  Also, I am surprised that there are trades already!

However, my list is still in the form of a simple list.  So it is probably better to make this official.

Rule to Change Spots on The List:

1. Current listed person send me an e-mail saying please give my spot to Geekhack user {joebob}.

2. I will reply to confirm.
3. I will remove your name from its current position and add the new user to the bottom of the list, and allocate your $65 to the new user.
4. I will deal with the new user from then on, including asking for payment for postage.
5. Please take care of payments, swaps, etc. between yourselves.
6. Also, please note that from your perspective, this procedure only has one task for you: send me an e-mail.

TL;DR Send me an e-mail if you want to give your position and money to someone else.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Did I mention I want you to send me an e-mail?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB - Shipped to Me
Post by: Venatorious on Sun, 01 May 2016, 11:31:44
The good news, bug #1, and how to watch testing in real time.

The Good News:

It fits into the Unicomp PC-122 Case!  Yay!

Bug #1:
The pads for the ISO Enter are 0.094" offset to the left.  I've already fixed this for any next run AND it can be fixed for these boards.  ANSI is fine, but the fix to this rev is a one-way street, and once modded for ISO, ANSI will be a problem.

Once I mod mine for ISO Enter, I'll mod anyone else's as desired.

Follow Testing in Real Time:
I'll be posting photos to Instagram way more often than here, so follow me there if you want to watch in real time:

https://www.instagram.com/samwisekoi/ (https://www.instagram.com/samwisekoi/)

Cheers, y'all!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Oh wow, I would have gotten one of these if I knew it was gonna fit a Unicomp case.  I should have read more  :-[
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 May 2016, 06:38:01
Can it be giant keyboard time now?  :eek:  :p
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 03 May 2016, 12:41:31
Can it be giant keyboard time now?  :eek:  :p

Yes.  This morning Metalliqaz and I have achieved 100% functionality.  I have built a complete configuration and am using the GH-122 for at least a full day to make sure it is solid.  At some point I will do a test install in the Unicomp PC-122 case, but I think that will be fine. The Swill "case" is working for me, although it is very muted.  (Browns with PBT keycaps sound like rain drops when I type.)

Anyhow, I am going to pound on this and then finalize the R1 mods that I will do before shipping each board.

FYI, at the moment I am using this with an ANSI Enter key.  Is there anyone on the current list who wants or needs an ISO Enter key instead?

Thanks and best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Autotyped by my GH-122 keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Final Testing!
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 03 May 2016, 12:51:20
Is there anyone on the current list who wants or needs an ISO Enter key instead?

No.

(I mean, no-for-me. Eek, ISO!? Sure, it looks historical but I have not a single such enter key and am not that married to the legacy of the layout. So, ansi-for-me-thankyou)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Tue, 03 May 2016, 14:15:54
Me no likey ISO.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: blighty on Tue, 03 May 2016, 14:29:32
I am fine with ANSI.  I feel I should have an ISO board at some point, just not now...

Thanks!

Can it be giant keyboard time now?  :eek:  :p

Yes.  This morning Metalliqaz and I have achieved 100% functionality.  I have built a complete configuration and am using the GH-122 for at least a full day to make sure it is solid.  At some point I will do a test install in the Unicomp PC-122 case, but I think that will be fine. The Swill "case" is working for me, although it is very muted.  (Browns with PBT keycaps sound like rain drops when I type.)

Anyhow, I am going to pound on this and then finalize the R1 mods that I will do before shipping each board.

FYI, at the moment I am using this with an ANSI Enter key.  Is there anyone on the current list who wants or needs an ISO Enter key instead?

Thanks and best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Autotyped by my GH-122 keyboard.

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 03 May 2016, 16:05:53
OK, the trend is clear.  However if anyone DOES want ISO, please advise me about that.

(This is to say, no more down with ISO replies necessary.)

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Venatorious on Tue, 03 May 2016, 16:22:28
Silly question, are there any extra available?  I didn't realize these would fit in Unicomp cases so I didn't order one. 

If not, will there be a round 2 coming soon?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 03 May 2016, 17:50:20
Silly question, are there any extra available?  I didn't realize these would fit in Unicomp cases so I didn't order one. 

If not, will there be a round 2 coming soon?

No extras available, but very likely a second round will come.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: UTEster750 on Tue, 03 May 2016, 23:50:24
Silly question, are there any extra available?  I didn't realize these would fit in Unicomp cases so I didn't order one. 

If not, will there be a round 2 coming soon?

No extras available, but very likely a second round will come.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Might have to get in on round 2! :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Venatorious on Wed, 04 May 2016, 00:00:30
No extras available, but very likely a second round will come.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Awesome, now I can join in on the hype instead of feeling regret  :))

EDIT: will there be anything new for the R2 PCB?  Possibly LED wiring or bent plate options for the Unicomp case?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Hak Foo on Wed, 04 May 2016, 00:31:30
I recall it was mentioned being difficult to do MX and ALPS together, probably because of the areas with 92 overlapping keys like the bottom row.

A thought: what if some of the switches were mounted upside down?

I could see it actually being a good way to design some of the more complex areas: for 1.25x modifiers mount switches "normally" and for 1.5x, mount upside down, or vice versa, so you can tell at a glance you haven't accidentally made one 1.5x key amid a row of 1.25s.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Venatorious on Wed, 04 May 2016, 00:45:47
Alps would be a godsend, if this happens I will be very happy!

Take a look at Duck Eagle PCB, you can combine them in one  ^-^
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 04 May 2016, 10:08:35
If it fits in a Unicomp case, will it fit in the equivalent IBM case?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 04 May 2016, 14:12:22
About a possible round 2:

The board already supports a separate 2x12 function bank, which is what the Unicomp case requires.  I do not know if it would fit an "IBM case", but I believe the Unicomp case is the IBM Model M case.  I cannot speak for the Model F, but you shouldn't put this board in that case anyhow!

Also, the current board already allows a full bend, which was very restrictive for trace runs, and may be removed for future rounds.  We'll see.  I'll certainly keep the PC-122 compatibility, however.

The problem with Alps is that both leads are on the same plane.  That makes Alp switches interfere with themselves if (for example) a 1.50 and 1.25 bottom row is supported.  Could I reverse ONE of the two Alps switches in such a scenario?  Maybe.  I will commit to taking a look.

Backlighting doesn't thrill me, and even a Teensy++ doesn't have enough pins to provide very much control.  Basic all-or-nothing backlighting with level control is about it.  Also, the number of switches on the board means that the power consumption of backlighting exceeds USB specs.  But again, I will commit to taking a look.  I may provide expansion pads to enable someone else to use the indicator LED pins to control a more complex backlight system on a daughter card.  I will try and run ground for LEDs at every switch position.  We'll see.

But right now I am focused on prepping 23 round 1 PCBs for shipment.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Mon, 09 May 2016, 11:22:07
Thanks for the update samewisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: blai5000 on Mon, 09 May 2016, 20:26:27
Regarding the power limitations of adding full LESs for Round 2, would the use of USB3.0 vs 2.0 make a difference, assuming that is possible?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: metalliqaz on Wed, 11 May 2016, 09:46:29
Regarding the power limitations of adding full LESs for Round 2, would the use of USB3.0 vs 2.0 make a difference, assuming that is possible?

the problem is that you want it to work on USB 2 ports, and the official spec says that each device may only use 0.5A at 5V.  Having said that, most users don't care about the spec, and go full gonzo with the power consumption, and I believe that almost all USB ports these days go on to supply the requested power without much complaint, probably up to 1A.  That's 5W of power.  That is comparable to a typical LED light bulb's power consumption.

Now, I scaled the resistors on my Zeta build to stay within the 0.5A spec, and they came out pretty bright (http://i.imgur.com/pxIwBqG.jpg).  That's 87 LEDs.  122 LEDs should be doable in my opinion.  Say, with 470ohm resistors.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: LukStarkiller on Wed, 11 May 2016, 10:11:38
Add the possibility to add a second USB port to get more current, another possibility is to use an Y cable like a lot of devices do, so you can get current from two USB ports on the computer to one in the keyboard.

I'm interested on the second round, I want backlight but I know the best idea is to make it optional.

(http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?w=200&h=200&q=Startech+6+USB+Y+Cable+for+External+Hard+Drive+Walmart)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 11 May 2016, 12:08:08
What the heck happened to samwisekoi and the GH-122.2016?

So, as you know, after way too much effort, Metalliqaz and I got the first batch of GH-122.2016 PCBs working.  And they work just fine.

However, there are some cuts, jumps, and changes that need to be done to each PCB to make them work.  And as you know, I have committed to make those fixes before I send any of the PCBs out.

However...

After much experimentation and reflection, I have decided that I cannot send out two dozen awesome PCBs with a functional-but-ugly backside.  One or two jumps I could send, but these were too much. And even if 100% of the early adopters could deal with the boards as-is, there is no telling where these will end up in the future.

So.

I have just rejected my own first run of PCB and placed a second order with all of the updates and fixes in place from the foundry.  This is an expensive lesson, but I felt it was important to send out the very best boards I could send.  Especially to the group of people who paid up front to be in the first round of a really cool PCB.

I think the next batch will be fast, and we already have firmware, so they should be able to come in here and get sent out quite quickly.

So there you have it.  A fixable error that I am going to replace with new instead of sending out repaired boards.  Hopefully the 24 people in the first round will see this as a positive step.  If not, please send me a PM and we'll sort it out.

Thanks and best regards,

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s. Sorry for the potato pic.  It was what I had close to hand to take this picture.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: blighty on Wed, 11 May 2016, 12:51:22
Would you like us to send some more $$ to help deflate your costs?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: tjweir on Wed, 11 May 2016, 13:51:12
Would you like us to send some more $$ to help deflate your costs?

+1
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Maddrake on Wed, 11 May 2016, 14:53:02
Possibilty of being able to buy the old gne 1 pcbs at a discounted price. Im alright with a board with jumper wires :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: blighty on Wed, 11 May 2016, 15:05:45
Possibilty of being able to buy the old gne 1 pcbs at a discounted price. Im alright with a board with jumper wires :D

Us R1 peeps should have dibs.  :))
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: AKmalamute on Wed, 11 May 2016, 18:18:24
Alternately, for us R1 early-adopters, any chance we can get both the broken, and fixed boards in the same envelope...?

Not likely to _deliberately_ buy a second one, but given a chance like this ...
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 May 2016, 12:59:26
I don't mind receiving a clean board with the included fixes.  I'm eager to get started on this but I'm also not exactly in a hurry.  I still need to get my Teensy and a pack of diodes & resistors.  So no pressure.  And if you're taking donations to ease the pain please give us a link.  ;)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Venatorious on Fri, 13 May 2016, 17:12:26
Hey could you make a few changes and include alps in the second run? Thanks  :p
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Niomosy on Sat, 14 May 2016, 02:30:03
Hey could you make a few changes and include alps in the second run? Thanks  :p

Let's throw in a split option to make an Ergo-122 board as well :P

Seriously, though, I'd really consider one.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: WNovizar on Sat, 14 May 2016, 02:58:47
Please send me the broken PCB together with the fixed one. Good chance for me to practice some soldering...
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Dee1 on Sat, 14 May 2016, 09:04:18
Would you like us to send some more $$ to help deflate your costs?
I have the same question. :)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Wed, 18 May 2016, 10:24:15
Don't be shy :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Maddrake on Wed, 18 May 2016, 12:00:38
I have some 32 awg enameled wire. I wonder if that would make the board with some rework look little more clean looking?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 May 2016, 19:38:41
Looking for a good source for Cherry PCB stabs.  I really need to order a whole bunch and just stock up...  Digikey and Mouser both have part numbers for them but neither has them in stock.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: blighty on Thu, 19 May 2016, 22:21:38
Looking for a good source for Cherry PCB stabs.  I really need to order a whole bunch and just stock up...  Digikey and Mouser both have part numbers for them but neither has them in stock.


http://stores.ebay.com/Doyu-Studio?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

This seller sells 2, 6.25 and 7u stabs.  Gateron switches too.  It took 9 days from order to arrival to get a package from them.  Stabs/switches worked great in my octagon V2.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Norman_the_Owl on Fri, 20 May 2016, 18:35:37
Looking for a good source for Cherry PCB stabs.  I really need to order a whole bunch and just stock up...  Digikey and Mouser both have part numbers for them but neither has them in stock.


http://stores.ebay.com/Doyu-Studio?_trksid=p2047675.l2563

This seller sells 2, 6.25 and 7u stabs.  Gateron switches too.  It took 9 days from order to arrival to get a package from them.  Stabs/switches worked great in my octagon V2.

I'll vouch for them too, that's where i ordered from. Relatively fast shipping considering it's from Taiwan
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Fri, 20 May 2016, 19:34:03
Thanks guys.  Ordered 4 sets.  They're a little on the pricey side but the shipping balanced it out.  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 23 May 2016, 15:08:35
Sorry, I've been away.  The revised PCBs just shipped, so with any luck they will be here and gone in about a week total.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Mon, 23 May 2016, 18:12:46
Yeah!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - v1.1 Arrived
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 31 May 2016, 13:38:54
A pack of lovelyv1.1 PCBs came this morning.  I will try to get one soldered up and tested today.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 31 May 2016, 17:46:06
Built and tested good.  Address validation and shipping starts tomorrow!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Data on Tue, 31 May 2016, 17:48:55
 :eek: That was fast.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 31 May 2016, 17:57:04
wooo! i can't wait to build this thing already!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 31 May 2016, 20:09:28
Built and tested good.  Address validation and shipping starts tomorrow!

 - Ron | samwisekoi

I assume the mainline version of EasyAVR now has the wrong matrix for the new boards and will have to be updated, correct?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 09:43:07
I assume the mainline version of EasyAVR now has the wrong matrix for the new boards and will have to be updated, correct?

Correct.  D0 was replaced with B7 using your final patch files.  Also ANSI \| is used as ISO Enter.  (I can send you the matrix positions when I get into the office.)

Thanks!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

p.s.  Also, I killed the ziggurats.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 10:00:45
Important Updates

SHIPPING

I will be sending a shipping address validation e-mail to the round 1 buyers today .
  This may go to your PayPal address, so please watch out for it.

I will NOT ship your board without an address validation response e-mail from you!
Also, if there is a typo in the e-mail, the package will go out with a typo, so please, please verify carefully!


PROTOTYPE PCBS

I have not yet decided what to do with these.  I may fix them and make them available, I may cut them into sections to aid round 1 buyers to use Unicomp cases, or I may kill them.  Remember, I re-did them specifically because I did not want them to be floating around with my name on them in their current condition.  So messaging me saying that you don't mind doesn't make me want to ship them after all.

Once I decide what I am going to do with these PCBs, I will post my decision and we can all go from there.

And now, back to getting keycaps onto the new PCB and posting some pictures!

---

Thanks for all the support and patience,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 10:28:11
I work at a company that constantly makes its own PCBs so i understand not wanting faulty PCBs out there as it causes confusion amongst customers and also you as the developer will be forced to support it, and plainly its just annoying.

I have a few suggestions

1. If you have a YouTube channel, you can use one as a demo in how to fix traces from design to actual hardware
2. Buy one of those big picture frames and frame it and auction it off as Art. Spray paint it even!
3. Cut it down and coat it in transparent vinyl and use it as a mousepad.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 10:35:54
I work at a company that constantly makes its own PCBs so i understand not wanting faulty PCBs out there as it causes confusion amongst customers and also you as the developer will be forced to support it, and plainly its just annoying.

I have a few suggestions

1. If you have a YouTube channel, you can use one as a demo in how to fix traces from design to actual hardware
2. Buy one of those big picture frames and frame it and auction it off as Art. Spray paint it even!
3. Cut it down and coat it in transparent vinyl and use it as a mousepad.

Yup.

But then what do I do with the other 24?

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 10:42:39
LOL.

You could cut off the numpad portion and sell it as a switch tester of sorts haha and do it 24 times

But seriously, if you go the mousepad approach, I would be very interested in buying one from you. In fact I have a source for transparent vinyl so I could even coat it myself.

Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 10:44:31
I kinda like that mousepad idea lol
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 01 June 2016, 13:06:30
You could definitely sell some awesome mousepads!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 13:17:17
Pics or it didn't happen.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: merlin64 on Wed, 01 June 2016, 13:21:39
I could easily see 1 pcb yielding 3 mouspads, the portion with GH122 on it would be most desirable though. If possible, you could autograph too, then the ones with your signature could be sold for more, that way you can make your money back for the initial prototypes.

I have tons of broken PCBs from all the keyboards I've desoldered. I'll go build one and see if it's actually doable as a mousepad.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 01 June 2016, 15:59:41
Ten addresses received, ten PCBs packed and shipped out!  (Details in OP #2.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Tested!
Post by: engicoder on Wed, 01 June 2016, 17:47:18
Ten addresses received, ten PCBs packed and shipped out!  (Details in OP #2.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Fast! Looking forward to getting this!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: Data on Wed, 01 June 2016, 18:47:01
Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
  • Data  [SHIPPED]

Aw yissssssss.  :cool:

So now that boards are shipping, can we review the case thread?  I can't be the only one who isn't using this in a Unicomp case.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Wed, 01 June 2016, 21:00:49
Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
  • Data  [SHIPPED]

Aw yissssssss.  :cool:

So now that boards are shipping, can we review the case thread?  I can't be the only one who isn't using this in a Unicomp case.

Yeah +1
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 02 June 2016, 13:36:21
Six more addresses, five more shipped.  (One is going to France, so I need to figure out the best carrier for that.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Are shipping notifications with tracking numbers being e-mailed out by Stamps.com?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Thu, 02 June 2016, 13:59:03
Six more addresses, five more shipped.  (One is going to France, so I need to figure out the best carrier for that.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Are shipping notifications with tracking numbers being e-mailed out by Stamps.com?

Yeah I got my notification early this morning.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Thu, 02 June 2016, 14:08:14
Six more addresses, five more shipped.  (One is going to France, so I need to figure out the best carrier for that.)

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Are shipping notifications with tracking numbers being e-mailed out by Stamps.com?

Yeah I got my notification early this morning.

Same.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Sat, 04 June 2016, 22:01:01
Case thread going here:  https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80473.0

I have some drawings up.  Would appreciate any feedback.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Mon, 06 June 2016, 09:56:56
Got mine in today, arrived safe and sound
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 06 June 2016, 11:58:44
Got mine in today, arrived safe and sound

Yay!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Mon, 06 June 2016, 17:09:26
Received mine.

It's... Glorious.

/single tear
Title: GH122,PicAtt
Post by: AKmalamute on Mon, 06 June 2016, 18:34:09
That ... is a board.

Next decision is how to pursue a plate.
Would we have ten users who want the .dxf cut from sixteen gauge stainless, locally...? Otherwise I guess I'll go the BBS route with polycarbonate.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 06 June 2016, 19:25:15
Mine showed today.  Looks  intact in spite of the post office collapsing the box.  What sort of price are we looking at for the local-cutting route?  I was eager to try the "bolt the PCB to a wooden backing" plate alternative, but then I realized a router costs a minimum of $75 and I don;t use it often enough to justify....
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: 0100010 on Mon, 06 June 2016, 20:08:07
'The Wife' (c) (tm) says mine arrived today (though she thought initially that for some reason I had ordered her flowers since the box was so huge [now I'm going to have to order some flowers so she feels better, thanks Ron!!]).  She says it was packed very well, but she didn't open it up all the way to confirm the PCB was not broken (I'm sure it's fine).

With as much as I am travelling these days for work, not sure when I'll get around to ordering a plate to actually build it.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 06 June 2016, 20:13:09
Mine came in today! It's massive and awesome! Definitely gonna need a steel plate with bent edges as a like a minimal case though.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Hak Foo on Mon, 06 June 2016, 22:52:14
Stupid question:  The diode positions are not numbered 100% sequentially, are they?  D42 seems to be missing, as are a few others.

What's the scale of images like https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=80326.0;attach=132843;image (and is it the most current?)

I'm thinking, if I do the milled-wood-undercase, it would be easiest to just print a 1:1 model of the PCB, highlighting the parts that need cutaways) and use that to mill it manually.  Started looking into using a local hackerspace's CNC mill, but apparently you have to go through a long chain of certifications to get near it.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: rm-rf on Tue, 07 June 2016, 02:48:13
i got mine today!!!! excellent pcb!
i was a little bit sad that it doesn't line up perfectly in my 122 case..
but i can always make it work in something else!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 07 June 2016, 10:57:57
Congrats!  I am glad they are arriving.  This boxes are mostly air and packing material, so they should survive anything except being bent in half!

The diodes are numbered in columns.  D1-7, D8-14, etc.  Some columns don't go all the way to the bottom of the board, so they are missing diodes at the bottom.  I think Column 17 only has 3 switches.  Also, I made diodes cover multiple switch positions if adjacent switches could not be used at the same time.  So there are fewer than 160 diodes even though they are numbered from D1 to D160.

Go solder them all on, and I don't think you will be feeling like there are too few diodes!

What 122-key case didn't it fit?  And how?  I have been asking for measurements of the Cherry 122-key case(s) all along, and I would still like to get those.

Anyhow, good news they are coming in.  People who haven't sent their addresses, please do so ASAP so I can pack and ship another batch!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

p.s.  I totally want at least two SS plates.  ISO Enter keys and 1.50 bottom rows for me!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: AKmalamute on Tue, 07 June 2016, 17:40:53
[...]
p.s.  I totally want at least two SS plates.  ISO Enter keys and 1.50 bottom rows for me!

The shop I work worth has raised their MOQ since my last GB. At a to-the-shop cost of $32, ten (identical) plates, alone isn't enough. Twenty might be. Or ten bent-metal (already bent so shipping might be a tad complicated) case-plates, or about twelve (identical) swill-style SS cases. Ten would not meet MOQ.

We could lower MOQ by increasing price, of course ... better sanding by the shop, stuff like that.

Last quote I got was in March, so I'm sure prices have changed but it should be in that vicinity ... from me / the shop I dealt with before.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Hak Foo on Tue, 07 June 2016, 19:18:23
Bent metal would probably still fit easily enough in a  flat-rate box, assuming it's not a mile thick.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Tue, 07 June 2016, 19:32:36
[...]
p.s.  I totally want at least two SS plates.  ISO Enter keys and 1.50 bottom rows for me!

The shop I work worth has raised their MOQ since my last GB. At a to-the-shop cost of $32, ten (identical) plates, alone isn't enough. Twenty might be. Or ten bent-metal (already bent so shipping might be a tad complicated) case-plates, or about twelve (identical) swill-style SS cases. Ten would not meet MOQ.

We could lower MOQ by increasing price, of course ... better sanding by the shop, stuff like that.

Last quote I got was in March, so I'm sure prices have changed but it should be in that vicinity ... from me / the shop I dealt with before.

I had a pretty specific layout in mind so I doubt I would be able to be a part of this, but I'm still interested to see what you guys come up with.

Bent/bare plate cases don't look so hot when they're made for "universal" switch placements.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: 0100010 on Tue, 07 June 2016, 20:50:55
This is what I was thinking about for a plate and potentially cover.  Haven't decided how I want to do the bottom / edges though - metal, wood, concrete, other.  I keep looking at the original Nuclear Data terminal images for inspiration though.

Layout : http://tinyurl.com/zmsqxt8

(http://s32.postimg.org/43i6knakl/gh122p3.png)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Wed, 08 June 2016, 06:21:24
This is the layout I have in mind currently.

(http://i.imgur.com/t2g9BII.png)

I only just realized you can do half-step spacing in the function cluster (awesome!), but I don't think I'm going to use it.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 08 June 2016, 13:09:07
Big Blue Saw has prices down to qty=1, but those are above $100 USD. Playing with plate designs, I think we can make a single plate for every position except the ISO vs ANSI Enter key.

AKmalamute, is the minimum order in dollars?  Could we get them to do a single order with 10 ANSI switch plates, 5 ISO switch plates, and 15 base plates (for example)?

All: I think it would be wise to have a standard case size to increase volume through standardization.  I propose 7.0" x 20.0", which provides an extra 0.25" around all sides.  Any thoughts on this?

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  Data, that "Select All" key is very useful.  More than I expected.  It definitely makes coding in a text editor prior to pasting into an IDE or terminal window much, much faster.  I have that along with standard edit keys on my F-122, and when I go home at night I keep reaching for them.  They are on my home GH-36, but having them on the main keyboard is absolutely the way to go. ^D, ^F, and ^H are also very handy (DUP, FIND, REPLACE).
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Wed, 08 June 2016, 14:03:16
Yeah, I have FIND on there as well.  I use it a lot, especially on the web.  REPLACE isn't as critical for me, mainly because the places I'd use it have FIND and REPLACE combined into the same window/applet.  So using a FIND command is essentially the same thing.

I ran a quote through BigBlueSaw for a 3pc sandwich case (plate, top, bottom) in 304 stainless and it came to $197.70 (for 1).  That's a lot... but this board is so big I don't know that we can do much better.  If you do a "universal" ANSI plate you almost have to do a case top to hide all the gaps between and around switches.  That may not be a concern for others but it definitely is for me.  That's the only reason I'm considering just biting the bullet and ordering a one-off so I can get exactly what I want.   :-[

Mine came out to 20.25 x 7.25 inches.  I had to push it out the extra 1/4" to account for the PCB.  I'm using 8-32 screws (slightly larger than M3 hardware) and 1/4" OD threaded round standoffs, and the gap between the standoffs and PCB is only like 3 thousandths of an inch.  :P  20.00 inches was just too tight.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Wed, 08 June 2016, 17:36:25
This is the lower right corner of the plate near the numpad.

(http://i.imgur.com/y9E2JY7.png)

The white circle is the hole for 8-32 @ 0.1695.
The teal blue circle is the outside diameter of the spacer @ 0.2500 (±0.005).
The green circle is the diameter of the screw head (low profile, socket-head cap in this case) @ 0.2700.
The "excess" plate from the screw head to the extreme edge is only 0.0928, or about 2.35mm.  I like to leave a little edge in case I decide to use a washer, so nothing hangs over.

The red line is the corner of the PCB.  There's plenty of room in this corner, but along the sides the spacer gets as close as 0.0123 to the edge of the PCB.  I don't show this in the image but trust me, I measured.  :P  If I drew for a 20.00" OAL I'd have to design for much smaller hardware and tighter tolerances, and probably more of them (current design has 12 screw holes).

Not saying you should change it or do anything the way I did it, just explaining the logic behind the choices I made.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: AKmalamute on Thu, 09 June 2016, 01:31:15
AKmalamute, is the minimum order in dollars?  Could we get them to do a single order with 10 ANSI switch plates, 5 ISO switch plates, and 15 base plates (for example)?

Dollars, yes. Get me the ISO .dxf and I'll email the project guy, saying we're moving to the case-buy part and interest has risen again.

 And my phantom has a ^A button, and ^C & ^V.
7-bit layout, lots of extra keys laying just out of the way. They've been more useful than I had predicted.

So, can I get clued in to the holes on the board? I see just above the switch outline, a diode hole with diagram, one hole is square. Then where the switch LED would poke through, there's two holes, both circular, no diagram and no matching resistor holes. I suppose I could solder a resistor from the bottom, and attach the legs to an LED at the top but I'm ... not sure it works that way ;-)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 09 June 2016, 02:06:45
There is no real plumbing for LEDs aside from num-caps-scroll.

I think the assumption is, if you're going backlit, it's going to have to be a full custom job  I could see, for example, building a controller setup that strobed the lamps so only a small percentage of them were on at any one time to keep current consumption down.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 09 June 2016, 11:45:33
I'm good with 20.25 x 7.25 inches.  That will just fit in the Unicomp case, which is a good thing.  My point is that if we standardize on a form factor, at least some of our collective cases can share parts to reduce cost.  I'm good with .375 extra margins and hole spacing as Data's drawing shows.

We should also choose standard positions for the non-corner mounting holes.

Every switch position uses the Cherry MX PCB-mount hole template, including LED holes/pads.  The only ones hooked up are for the CAPS key.  (And that is really just a run down from the indicator LED trio near the controller. Backlighting the board would take wiring, voltage control (e.g. resistors), and at least an IC for power control.  Pin B7 is set up as the backlight pin in Easy Keymap and on the PCB.  There is also a single spare resistor location in case you want to use B7 as a fourth indicator (e.g. Fn).

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Maddrake on Tue, 21 June 2016, 08:51:20
Anyone have progress on their keyboards? Kinda interested in seeing all of your guys different visions :D
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 June 2016, 11:38:55
Been meaning to solder up my Teensy and flash a keymap to it for testing, but that's about as far as I could realistically go with it until I have a "final" plate.

Actually, I guess I could go ahead and do the resistors too.  Hmm...
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: mrklaw on Wed, 13 July 2016, 20:51:46
Ugh, I've been offline for a while and I missed this group buy. I'm super bummed.

Do I understand correctly that there will be another one of these group buys for this board?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Thu, 14 July 2016, 06:28:40
Kinda doubt it.  Ron has been MIA for a month and interest has cooled significantly since the shipping concluded.  But stranger things have happened...
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Maddrake on Thu, 14 July 2016, 07:52:31
Im interested in another round. But i think that i must have ticked him off asking about getting the early round one boards. He never responded to my pm. But oh well i guess :,/
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Hak Foo on Thu, 14 July 2016, 10:09:42
Once a few of the first-run boards get completed-- so people can see what they look like with cases and what the total costs tend to be-- I expect there will be more interest.

The lack of a clear direction for cases has made this project a lot riskier than a typical "throw it in a standard 60% case" project.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Tue, 13 September 2016, 14:58:11
Data pointed me this way and I am loving what I am seeing on this thread, sad I am just starting out with Mechanical Keyboards after this already happened. Would love to put in my voice on a round two as well!!!
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Tue, 13 September 2016, 19:48:41
If a couple of key players hadn't inexplicably disappeared right after these shipped I'm sure a Round 2 would have quickly followed. It's really a great PCB.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Tue, 13 September 2016, 23:51:06
I need to get around to building mine
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Wed, 14 September 2016, 00:39:47
I wish my PCB shipped. He told me it might take a bit longer because I'm in France, but then he vanished without any more updates or anything
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 27 September 2016, 09:23:37
First Ivan, now Sam/Ron....
I'm really starting to think that all the older GH guys are just wanting to scam me and take off with my money...
 :'( :'( :'( :'(
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Spaceman1200 on Tue, 27 September 2016, 09:34:11
First Ivan, now Sam/Ron....
I'm really starting to think that all the older GH guys are just wanting to scam me and take off with my money...
 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sorry
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 27 September 2016, 09:35:58
First Ivan, now Sam/Ron....
I'm really starting to think that all the older GH guys are just wanting to scam me and take off with my money...
 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sorry

Yeah it seems like you all got your PCBs, and that I'm the only one who's PCBless.
But thanks for the support
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 27 September 2016, 10:15:04
First Ivan, now Sam/Ron....
I'm really starting to think that all the older GH guys are just wanting to scam me and take off with my money...
 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sorry

Yeah it seems like you all got your PCBs, and that I'm the only one who's PCBless.
But thanks for the support

I'm also waiting for a PCB.

Ron is not one to bail on an obligation in my experience.  He loves to take on many ambitious projects, so I'm sure he is simply overwhelmed (he also owns a business), but I'm not worried that he has truly run off with our money.  That's just my personal opinion though, and we will have to wait to see what happens unfortunately.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Tue, 27 September 2016, 10:59:46
More
First Ivan, now Sam/Ron....
I'm really starting to think that all the older GH guys are just wanting to scam me and take off with my money...
 :'( :'( :'( :'(

Sorry

Yeah it seems like you all got your PCBs, and that I'm the only one who's PCBless.
But thanks for the support

I'm also waiting for a PCB.

Ron is not one to bail on an obligation in my experience.  He loves to take on many ambitious projects, so I'm sure he is simply overwhelmed (he also owns a business), but I'm not worried that he has truly run off with our money.  That's just my personal opinion though, and we will have to wait to see what happens unfortunately.

Well I guess I feel better knowing that I'm not alone on waiting for a PCB. But now I feel bad for you  :-\

I know that Ron is the kind of guy that is on and off all the time with GH. It's just that he was in contact with me for a while by email, and then just disappeared. At first I was a little worried for him thinking he might have hurt himself, but then I remembered that's what Ivan had given as an excuse. And now that's he's not been online at all since July 29th I can't help but feel worried.

I really wish that there was some kind of rule where people running GBs give updates or be online every so often, or people should be free to make a PP claim.

But thanks again for letting me know that I'm not alone  :thumb:

Edit: If I would have known that it was going to this long, I would of had him ship it to the US address and not France (that's one of the reasons he told me it would take a bit longer). Because I'm in the US right now and could have just brought it back to France myself, would have also been cheaper to ship
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Tue, 27 September 2016, 17:17:11
He stopped posting so abruptly that I suspect something in his personal life is interfering. Things were rolling along with the GH-36 and I had the impression that there'd be a GB for it shortly after this one. So I don't think this is anything like the Ivan situation, and consider that most of us received the boards we paid for.  I just hope his health is good so we can pick up where we left off... eventually. :P
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:35:06
Hi there!

We had this election-thingy in the States, and it sort of swept me away.  (You may have heard about it yourself.)

Anyhow, that is over, and I've just packed and shipped the rest of the PCBs, except the one for toidbb, for whom I am missing an address.  The status post at the top of this thread has been updated, and the USPS should have sent tracking e-mails.

I'll now go catch up a bit and post an update or two.

FYI, I have working firmware from metalliqaz, although it took a patch file to make it work.  But work it does!  I have a couple of layouts done, and I'll find a way to zip that all up as a working sample.

No progress has been made on the case front (at least by me) so currently I have a working prototype on a slant base and another in a Unicomp case to validate fitment.  I do NOT like the feel of the PCB on a foam backing, at least not with the switch/keycap combinations I have tried.

Anyway, I am back and have shipped all the PCBs I could ship.

Hope you all had a great Summer, and that we all find unity for the next 4-8 years.

Peace out,

 - Ron | samwisekoi

p.s.  I have not forgotten the GH-36.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: samwisekoi on Thu, 10 November 2016, 16:41:22
OK, I just read the thread a bit, and let me HUMBLY APOLOGIZE!  I have not run off with anyone's money, but I did have 7 PCBs on my shelf unshipped.  As of this minute they are in labeled boxes on my shipping bench waiting for the postman to come in the morning.  This does indeed include one headed for France, which I could grab and re-direct.

Thank you Mr. HoffmanMyster for the kind words. 

And again, please accept my sincere apologies.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 08:15:18
OK, I just read the thread a bit, and let me HUMBLY APOLOGIZE!  I have not run off with anyone's money, but I did have 7 PCBs on my shelf unshipped.  As of this minute they are in labeled boxes on my shipping bench waiting for the postman to come in the morning.  This does indeed include one headed for France, which I could grab and re-direct.

Thank you Mr. HoffmanMyster for the kind words. 

And again, please accept my sincere apologies.

 - Ron | samwisekoi

Hey man,

No worries, you're back now ;)

I'm not going to lie, with some of the older members of GH doing some shady stuff I had ask myself if this was going to be second burn or not (I lost about $300 with Ivan).
At the end I was more worried that something had happened to you, and I'm just glad to see you back online.

Edit: And yeah I'm back in France, so shipping to a US address is possible right now
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: Data on Fri, 11 November 2016, 08:56:56
Hah!  Welcome back, Ron.  :D

The GH-122 is alive and well.

(http://i.imgur.com/JhJJp4Q.jpg?1)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Fri, 11 November 2016, 11:28:24
Hah!  Welcome back, Ron.  :D

The GH-122 is alive and well.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JhJJp4Q.jpg?1)


Damn I really want to get a case like that now
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Shipping!
Post by: MAR82 on Fri, 11 November 2016, 11:31:32
Hah!  Welcome back, Ron.  :D

The GH-122 is alive and well.

Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/JhJJp4Q.jpg?1)


Damn I really want to get a case like that now

Now that I'm going to be getting my PCB, I wish I could get a plate for it.
But think it will look awesome in the Unicomp case
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Mon, 14 November 2016, 12:11:46
I shipped everything I could, but there was one user who paid but never provided an address.  He has been refunded and I'll hang onto his PCB in case he responds to that.

Otherwise, this buy is now completed and closed.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Maddrake on Wed, 23 November 2016, 12:53:37
Any chance of another round in the future? I dont mean to bother you but I'm just super interested :D. Have a nice holiday.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 23 November 2016, 19:29:35
Any chance of another round in the future? I dont mean to bother you but I'm just super interested :D. Have a nice holiday.

Yup.  A few small changes, and then I'll release the GH-122.2017 version.  I will probably try to do it differently this time, but yes.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: MAR82 on Sat, 26 November 2016, 06:55:36
Got my PCB today, and it's huge. Can't wait to start putting it together!  :p
Thanks for all your work on it  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Sat, 26 November 2016, 09:44:54
Got my PCB today, and it's huge. Can't wait to start putting it together!  :p
Thanks for all your work on it  :thumb:

Awesome!  Thanks for letting me know.  Good luck, and thank you for the wake-up call a few weeks ago.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: MAR82 on Sun, 27 November 2016, 09:40:32
So does anyone have any advice on how to get the GH-122 to fit the curve/angle of the Unicomp 122 case?

Got my PCB today, and it's huge. Can't wait to start putting it together!  :p
Thanks for all your work on it  :thumb:

Awesome!  Thanks for letting me know.  Good luck, and thank you for the wake-up call a few weeks ago.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
(Auto-typed by my GH36 Matrix Keypad.)

No problem, we're just happy you're back around!
We can all get caught up with other things in life. I have a hard time getting away from work these days and have little to no time for anything personal.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Sun, 27 November 2016, 11:18:27
So does anyone have any advice on how to get the GH-122 to fit the curve/angle of the Unicomp 122 case?

Yes.

1.  Make the three cuts shown in red using the pilot holes and white cut lines on the PCB.
2.  Connect twelve short (2-4cm) jumper wires from the column pads (shown in yellow).
3.  Connect two longer (5-10cm) jumper wires from the row pads (shown in cyan).
4.  Attach the function key PCB to the top of the Unicomp case.  (Using hot glue and/or the two mounting holes provided).
5.  Connect the twelve column jumper wires to the pads above columns 4 through 16 (shown in green).
6.  Connect the two column jumper wires to the pads labelled A and B (shown in blue).

I terminated the 14 jumper wires with female connectors and used male pins on the main PCB to enable the keyboard to be opened and closed for work/repair.  I am not completely satisfied with this method, so I may replace the pins with more jumper cables and male connectors.

A similar connection method should be used for the LEDs.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.



 
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Phenix on Thu, 22 December 2016, 18:37:17
For the 2017 version: will Unsaver- style be supported?
(so cutting off the numpad - similar to the F key block as you described above)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 23 December 2016, 10:16:49
For the 2017 version: will Unsaver- style be supported?
(so cutting off the numpad - similar to the F key block as you described above)

I have added that to the list.  It will be hard with the sheer number of traces that go through there, but I'd like to make a TKL with a left-hand function block.  Or possibly a numpad in place of the nav cluster.  We'll see.

Thanks for the idea!

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Phenix on Fri, 23 December 2016, 11:18:48
great!
Another feature which would be interesting: make the numpad choppable, and this could then be connected via some sort of plug (preferrably jumper some pins to an socket of ones liking)

This could be interesting for nearly every switch block of the board.....

btw: whats about split spacebars??
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Fri, 23 December 2016, 11:37:20
great!
Another feature which would be interesting: make the numpad choppable, and this could then be connected via some sort of plug (preferrably jumper some pins to an socket of ones liking)

This could be interesting for nearly every switch block of the board.....

btw: whats about split spacebars??

Ok, now you're just messing with me.

I looked at ribbon-connected blocks, and it just ended up being unworkable on a two-layer PCB.  Similarly, the bottom row at one point had 7.0, 6.25, 6.0, 4.5, split, and perhaps other layouts.  Oh yes, 10.0 Wyse as well.  (I liked that one.)

In the end, too many layouts meant too much complexity.  And in fact, a remnant of that complexity is found in the 2016 1.1 version of the PCB having the wrong stabilizer mounting holes for the 6.25 layout.

So no movable blocks; sorry.  Once I put up a thread for the 2017 PCB, then please re-propose a specific bottom row you like, and we'll see if it gets any/many takers.

You got your feature request for the month (above).  These two I am afraid were tried and failed.

Sorry, but thanks for your continued input,

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.



Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: dead_pixel_design on Tue, 27 December 2016, 12:17:56
Confirmed Orders for GH-122.2016 Jumbo Keyboard PCB:
  • hak foo  [SHIPPED]
  • Spaceman1200  [SHIPPED]
  • Data  [SHIPPED]
  • blai5000  [SHIPPED]
  • iamtootallforthis  [SHIPPED]
  • engicoder  [SHIPPED]
  • rm-rf  [SHIPPED]
  • blighty  [SHIPPED]
  • samwisekoi  [”SHIPPED”]
  • Dee1  [SHIPPED]
  • AKmalamute  [SHIPPED]
  • FrostyToast  [SHIPPED]
  • i3oilermaker  [SHIPPED]
  • hebbler  [SHIPPED]
  • 100010  [SHIPPED]
  • tjweir  [SHIPPED]
  • njbair  [SHIPPED]
  • jdcarpe  [SHIPPED]
  • HoffmanMyster  [SHIPPED]
  • Wnovizar  [SHIPPED]
  • unoab  [SHIPPED]
  • MAR82  [SHIPPED]
  • possibly available 
  • possibly available 
  • Used for testing. 

Please let us know if those last two 'possibly avaialable' PCBs become definitely available. I am very interested
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 Revival PCB
Post by: samwisekoi on Tue, 27 December 2016, 13:39:48
Please let us know if those last two 'possibly avaialable' PCBs become definitely available. I am very interested

No, sorry.  I'm using them for case development.  I'll change the OP.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: mrklaw on Wed, 04 January 2017, 09:44:24
Will you post to this thread when you start a 2017 group buy or will you just start a new one? I'm trying to decide if I should turn on notify or not.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: jal on Wed, 04 January 2017, 10:20:55
Argh, just saw this, so very sad I missed out.

If there is a round two, I'm in for at least two of these.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 04 January 2017, 11:09:22
Will you post to this thread when you start a 2017 group buy or will you just start a new one? I'm trying to decide if I should turn on notify or not.

Both.  Probably soon.

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.
[attachimg=1]
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: samwisekoi on Wed, 04 January 2017, 12:16:54
First GH-122.2017 Interest Check thread is up:

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=86751

 - Ron | samwisekoi
Auto-typed by my GH-122 keyboard.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: 0100010 on Sun, 06 August 2017, 10:12:37
Necro resurrection.

I finally got around to temp finishing my Rev 1 GH-122.  I say temp finished cause I haven't gotten the case yet, just using screws along the top / bottom edges as stand offs.  Costar stabs (had to make the 7x wire for the spacebar), 100% cherry green switches.  Num / Scroll / Caps lock keys are green LED backlit as well.

Oh, and hello.  I know I've been gone for a while; work has had me extremely busy with travel).

(https://s1.postimg.org/5tadscvrz/20170806_095308.jpg)

(https://s2.postimg.org/kybjh1lyx/20170806_101039.jpg)

(https://s1.postimg.org/wt31p8jwv/20170806_095339.jpg)

(https://s1.postimg.org/y4gay9awv/20170806_095418.jpg)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Sun, 06 August 2017, 12:48:03
Necro resurrection.

I finally got around to temp finishing my Rev 1 GH-122.  I say temp finished cause I haven't gotten the case yet, just using screws along the top / bottom edges as stand offs.  Costar stabs (had to make the 7x wire for the spacebar), 100% cherry green switches.  Num / Scroll / Caps lock keys are green LED backlit as well.

Oh, and hello.  I know I've been gone for a while; work has had me extremely busy with travel).

Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/5tadscvrz/20170806_095308.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s2.postimg.org/kybjh1lyx/20170806_101039.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/wt31p8jwv/20170806_095339.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/y4gay9awv/20170806_095418.jpg)


Excellent! Really captures the 'nuclear control center' vibe  :thumb:
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Phenix on Sun, 06 August 2017, 13:06:36
Necro resurrection.

I finally got around to temp finishing my Rev 1 GH-122.  I say temp finished cause I haven't gotten the case yet, just using screws along the top / bottom edges as stand offs.  Costar stabs (had to make the 7x wire for the spacebar), 100% cherry green switches.  Num / Scroll / Caps lock keys are green LED backlit as well.

Oh, and hello.  I know I've been gone for a while; work has had me extremely busy with travel).

Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/5tadscvrz/20170806_095308.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s2.postimg.org/kybjh1lyx/20170806_101039.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/wt31p8jwv/20170806_095339.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/y4gay9awv/20170806_095418.jpg)


Excellent! Really captures the 'nuclear control center' vibe  :thumb:

you need a Nuclear Data keyset (I too btw)
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 06 August 2017, 16:56:44
Necro resurrection.

I finally got around to temp finishing my Rev 1 GH-122.  I say temp finished cause I haven't gotten the case yet, just using screws along the top / bottom edges as stand offs.  Costar stabs (had to make the 7x wire for the spacebar), 100% cherry green switches.  Num / Scroll / Caps lock keys are green LED backlit as well.

Oh, and hello.  I know I've been gone for a while; work has had me extremely busy with travel).

Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/5tadscvrz/20170806_095308.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s2.postimg.org/kybjh1lyx/20170806_101039.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/wt31p8jwv/20170806_095339.jpg)


Show Image
(https://s1.postimg.org/y4gay9awv/20170806_095418.jpg)


Damn i need to get these plate files
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Data on Sun, 06 August 2017, 17:17:56
There was a whole thread on case design.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80473.0
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 31 October 2017, 19:36:07
Another round?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: xondat on Tue, 31 October 2017, 20:18:59
Another round?

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88063

He moved house a few months back so he isn't active at the moment.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: metalliqaz on Tue, 10 April 2018, 17:12:57
Hey, is anyone using a GH-122 with EasyAVR firmware?  I need to know if the BOOT key is working correctly on the Teensy++ 2.0  controller.  The GH-122 is the only board that uses the Teensy++.  Thanks.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 April 2018, 20:50:44
I am, but I don't remember if I mapped the boot function to anything. Assuming I did, what should I expect it to do?
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: AKmalamute on Sun, 15 April 2018, 17:51:17
I am, but I don't remember if I mapped the boot function to anything. Assuming I did, what should I expect it to do?
As I recall, that's the software equivalent of flipping the 'reset' switch ... so you can re-up the firmware/layout without cracking it open to find the hardware reset button.
Title: Re: [GB] GH-122.2016 R1 PCB - Completed!
Post by: Krogenar on Wed, 17 April 2019, 10:35:02
Necrothread, but I don't care -- this is about the only GB that would bring me back to the hobby again.
Not that I don't love vintage and/or mechanical keyboards -- I still adore them. It's just that I found all the keyboards I wanted, but this big beautiful 'board GB was awesome.
Is there anyone who has one of these keyboard willing to part with one?