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« Reply #200 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 13:22:54 »
Porn pretty much pushes all A/V industries.


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« Reply #201 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 15:54:59 »
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Im in a gui right now, but using AHK I can win+c and I'm at a command prompt or win+p and I'm in putty.  So you can have the best of both worlds without having to choose one over the other.  ;)

When you consider what most people use their computers and the internet for, I don't think text based interaction is of much interest to them.
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« Reply #202 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 18:11:51 »
So then I guess I'd be the odd man out saying that I'd prefer to look at code rather than a GUI.
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« Reply #203 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 18:18:09 »
Depends on what you do with your PC. Web browsing is the only thing that I can't do from a command line. Shame that web browsing makes up about 75% of my computer usage.

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« Reply #204 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 18:31:09 »
iI'm too used to vi.[esc]zz
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« Reply #205 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 18:57:57 »
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Have you tried apvlv. PDF viewer that doesn't suck so much.
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« Reply #206 on: Thu, 07 January 2010, 22:42:55 »
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Have you tried apvlv. PDF viewer that doesn't suck so much.


I didn't know it, thanks!

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« Reply #207 on: Fri, 08 January 2010, 10:00:52 »
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PDF viewer that doesn't suck so much.


makes me think about this http://www.suckless.org

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« Reply #208 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 02:55:55 »
I think Windows 7 is the best. While I like Linux for not being very evil, on Windows I can assume that everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) works without a hassle. Ubuntu seems to have some audio quality problems which limits its awesomeness as an everyday-OS. It's a very nice OS to code on, though. I also like its font rendering and the terminal is quite an effective tool if you have to do something elite and clever.

But on Windows everything works because no one can afford not to make their software run on it. I really can't stand OSX, the unability to open windows full-screen being the worst problem.

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« Reply #209 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 04:18:31 »
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makes me think about this http://www.suckless.org


Lol, I was a WMII/DWM user for about 2 years...
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« Reply #210 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 04:41:16 »
I am sorry....

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...on Windows I can assume that everything (and I mean EVERYTHING) works without a hassle.


*Rant Start*

...when I first installed Windows 7 64 bit (within a week of its release). I could not view any PDFs. Both of the applications that I used on Windows to view PDFs (Adobe Reader and Foxit) would not start. No error message, no UAC (disabled it right away), it just loaded into memory and stayed there without giving me any notice whatsoever. And to make matters worse, if you tried again, it would load another instance into memory. You could repeat this ad nauseum with either PDF reader, and Windows 7 would tell me nothing.
I had to clear out the running apps with the Task Manager to make them stop. Even after reinstalling the applications the issue persisted.

I eventually found after a few Windows updates and program updates that I could view PDFs again. But that was just retarded. Dammit give me an error message or something, so I could at least try and fix it, and not start massive memory leakage.

*Rant End*

Oh and it also crashed (and blue screened) when I asked it to eject a usb flash drive once (it was a typical OCZ 4GB one).

* Mini Rant Start *

Rebooting after installing a driver or a system update is a hassle. I hate it.
At least it doesn't automatically restart like Vista did sometimes.

I mean, please, you can update the video drivers in Windows 7 without restarting, other than a critical kernel patch, nothing should require a reboot.

[Removes portion about how Micro Kernels are better for brevities sake, and because "no one cares"(TM), including the author]

* Mini Rant End *

But yeah, other than that Windows 7 is fairly usable, and I don't swear at it as much as previous versions of Windows or OS X.
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« Reply #211 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 05:10:10 »
I'm going to call 'Hardware issues'. I'm no fan of Windows 7, but I have had next to no issues with it dying or not working.

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« Reply #212 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 05:43:08 »
When I started trying out Ubuntu I was pleasantly surprised at how much stuff I managed to get working. But for me it takes more effort to get the stuff to work on Ubuntu than on Windows. I've installed Ubuntu a few times on different computers and some really basic stuff such as Flash has always been a pain to configure. Sometimes it works right away, but after some minor software update Youtube might stop working and then I have to install some beta plug-ins or whatever. When I upgraded to version 9.10 the sound in DosBox went really f***d up without any obvious reason. On Ubuntu it's totally useless to try mixing some songs on Audacity because the sound starts distorting when it really shouldn't. Minor but annoying things such as these force me to think Linux just isn't quite "ready" as a desktop OS yet. In the long run I consider the open-source OS's to be the only way to go but I'll use Windows until developers (game developers too -- current "Linux gaming" is just a joke even though Ur-Quan Masters has a port) take desktop Linux more seriously.

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« Reply #213 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 06:16:39 »
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Have you tried apvlv. PDF viewer that doesn't suck so much.


Or maybe PDF-XChange. I need to try these out for myself. The size of Adobe's downloads is getting ridiculous.

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« Reply #214 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 06:36:17 »
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When I started trying out Ubuntu I was pleasantly surprised at how much stuff I managed to get working. But for me it takes more effort to get the stuff to work on Ubuntu than on Windows. I've installed Ubuntu a few times on different computers and some really basic stuff such as Flash has always been a pain to configure. Sometimes it works right away, but after some minor software update Youtube might stop working and then I have to install some beta plug-ins or whatever. When I upgraded to version 9.10 the sound in DosBox went really f***d up without any obvious reason. On Ubuntu it's totally useless to try mixing some songs on Audacity because the sound starts distorting when it really shouldn't. Minor but annoying things such as these force me to think Linux just isn't quite "ready" as a desktop OS yet. In the long run I consider the open-source OS's to be the only way to go but I'll use Windows until developers (game developers too -- current "Linux gaming" is just a joke even though Ur-Quan Masters has a port) take desktop Linux more seriously.


Gaming on PC will be history before Linux will be ready for it.

On the other hand, I never encoundered the problems you describe. I guess it is all hardware or distribution related.

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« Reply #215 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 07:21:38 »
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Gaming on PC will be history before Linux will be ready for it.
 
On the other hand, I never encoundered the problems you describe. I guess it is all hardware or distribution related.

You say, "will be history..."


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« Reply #216 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 11:14:52 »
Not cool for people who need lots of computing power. Given that IBM sells Cell blades at $7,000 a pop, the PS3 was very popular with college and government research crowds that needed clusters. I wouldn't be surprised if IBM told Sony to ditch the Linux support to protect their profits.

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« Reply #217 on: Mon, 18 January 2010, 11:19:01 »
IBM makes/designs the chips. If Sony pisses them off, they could find themselves without CPUs quickly enough.

The issue with the PS2 support was due to the need for MIPS emulation hardware. They needed to cut costs and that was one of the things they tossed.

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« Reply #218 on: Wed, 20 January 2010, 17:09:46 »
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You used to be able to run Linux on your PS3 before the Slim.  No more.  

Not exactly seeing a large public outcry about this.


From everything I read it wasn't using anywhere near the full computing power of the PS3 when it was running a Linux install.
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« Reply #219 on: Wed, 20 January 2010, 19:08:34 »
Yeah, AFAIK one of the Cells in the Cell CPU gets disabled when you run Linux on the PS3. Still, when you compare a few hundred dollars for a PS3 compared with a several thousand dollar blade with about two more Cells enabled (the PS3 has one of the cells disabled to increase yields) you can see a strong value for money argument in favor of the PS3 grid.

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« Reply #220 on: Wed, 20 January 2010, 20:48:05 »
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Gaming on PC will be history before Linux will be ready for it..
Very true, not that linux isn't ready for it - everybody makes games with dx (opengl ftw, i love standard things - which is why i hate ms - sorry i'm nuts) now and everybody uses windows or mac now so there's really no point - linux is only common in production servers, only over the past few years growing in popularity for desktop users.

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When I started trying out Ubuntu I was pleasantly surprised at how much stuff I managed to get working. But for me it takes more effort to get the stuff to work on Ubuntu than on Windows. I've installed Ubuntu a few times on different computers and some really basic stuff such as Flash has always been a pain to configure. Sometimes it works right away, but after some minor software update Youtube might stop working and then I have to install some beta plug-ins or whatever. When I upgraded to version 9.10 the sound in DosBox went really f***d up without any obvious reason. On Ubuntu it's totally useless to try mixing some songs on Audacity because the sound starts distorting when it really shouldn't. Minor but annoying things such as these force me to think Linux just isn't quite "ready" as a desktop OS yet. In the long run I consider the open-source OS's to be the only way to go but I'll use Windows until developers (game developers too -- current "Linux gaming" is just a joke even though Ur-Quan Masters has a port) take desktop Linux more seriously.

Ubuntu sucks, but linux is a more than suitable desktop operating system, if you don't game (but some games can be run in wine, or if you has the ramz a vm could be setup) - surprised about the flash problems, flash takes no configuring at all, especially since the 64bit version came out if you're on x86_64 --- again, I blame ubuntu for your flash problems.

Basically, all of your problems, except for the lack of games, are ubuntu's fault - use debian or something else good before you judge linux as a desktop (and upgrade to zen kernel - best for desktops :D). Contrary to popular belief, things break in ubuntu, unlike in debian (debian's old but if you use testing it's rolling, up to date, and generally stable) Breaking in debian is a lot more rare if you don't do dangerous things - every ubuntu release upgrade seems to break - and gnome is the worst, especially ubuntu's implementation of it.

My linux recommendations - just preference, osol is a possibility too:
1. Debian
2. Arch (takes much longer to configure) - but chakra is an option for an easy awesome kde arch
3. Fedora (just as easy as ubuntu, has annoyances of redhat and is more annoying to do custom things but sucks less than ubuntu)
4. Yoper (rpm-based, but uses better alternative for package management - and I talk to the main developer all the time)
5. Gentoo (don't use gentoo, i just dont like anything else enough to give it #5)
Way further down: Ubuntu/Xubuntu
Even further: Kubuntu
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« Reply #221 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 03:46:31 »
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3. Fedora (just as easy as ubuntu, has annoyances of redhat and is more annoying to do custom things but sucks less than ubuntu)


As far as I can see, Fedora is like Ubuntu, except with a package manager from hell.

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« Reply #222 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 04:32:13 »
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As far as I can see, Fedora is like Ubuntu, except with a package manager from hell.


I haven't used Fedora in a long while (since 8). But I could at least crash the X server in order to get my xorg.conf configured properly more quickly. They also had a good KDE support (Kubuntu is probably one of the worst KDE distros).

Ubuntu holds your hand too much. Fedora does minimal hand holding (still too much for me though), as its designed for developers, not the average joe. Fedora is also more up to date on the latest packages than Ubuntu.

http://oswatershed.org/
For a basic overview of how up to date distros are.

Hmm, interesting Fedora is currently more up to date than Arch. Must be a lot of broken packages upstream then (oswatershed doesn't seem to track the testing repo of arch either).
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« Reply #223 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 07:04:02 »
fodera would be nice if it has a whole lot of packages

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« Reply #224 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 08:35:05 »
I was going through package dependency hell a few weeks ago with a server running CentOS.  Even the latest CentOS 5 requires a monkey wrench to get current enough on PHP and MySQL to allow the latest vBulletin while still supporting some other things I run on that server.  Lame.  I finally bit the bullet and went to Fedora which I didn't want to do on a server but that is better than creating a kludge to get CentOS to work.

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« Reply #225 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 09:11:11 »
hmm had to configure red hat 64bit on 3 workstations, needless to say i was totally annoyed with random usb and video issues...however i did managed to get them to work and weirdly enough i ended up liking red hat a lot more =S

running win 7 64bit at home i have to say its exceptional!
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« Reply #226 on: Thu, 21 January 2010, 23:25:48 »
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As far as I can see, Fedora is like Ubuntu, except with a package manager from hell.

Not even close, ubuntu sucks - in terms of being broken, teaching nothing, making linux on a desktop look lousy, etc. :P

Fedora isn't great, I don't think any of the redhat-based OS' are (like centos, etc.) - there are alternatives to yum (yoper linux uses one of them) - so that problem can be rectified ;)

Bottom line is, ubuntu makes debian look bad, and debian is very easy to get installed minimally and everything usually works out of the box (and you can customize it without any hassle, unlike ubuntu -- non-ubuntu package = instant breakage). So, if you like ubuntu - you'll REALLY like debian.

Arch is very good too, but is by far more DIY in terms of configuration and such (i'm running arch right now) - it came with a bare minimum environment, I had installed everything I wanted to get up - dealt with adding the init scripts manually, dealt with hal trouble right out of the box and went with a from-scratch xorg.conf, etc. I had some trouble installing too, latest CD didn't want to boot - and from other linux install didn't want to boot :P . However, I can install debian lenny/testing/sid (any of them) - and get a working graphical desktop in 20 minutes.

For server, debian (stable) is the only option!
Distributions like ubuntu and fedora, sadly the most popular, make people think linux isn't meant for desktops (but it can be! it's awesome!, kde 4.4 is tremendous too) - i dual boot windows 7 on my desktop and I think it's OK (best windows of all) - but I have no reason to go to it, I can do everything I can on windows 7 on my linux desktop except quicker and more efficiently (even play my simple steam games and run ie6 to test web pages!)
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« Reply #227 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 03:58:05 »
I'm an Arch'er myself. I tried Debian for a while, but I found that it wasn't minimal enough. When the OS tries to second guess how you want it configured, **** will invariably happen.

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« Reply #228 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 05:30:17 »
Another Arch user here.

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« Reply #229 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 06:03:48 »
ubuntu has serious flaws, specially when you want to go text mode, or use things aside mainstream softwares, though it's nice for beginners and people who don't want to bother
i prefer arch or debian.
i also used netbsd for a long time but had many problems with pkgsrc, maybe it has changed

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« Reply #230 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 06:06:00 »
I've always intended on trying a BSD, but never quite got around to it. Which is the best? I hear FreeBSD is a good all rounder, OpenBSD is designed to be secure at the expense of being... usable, and NetBSD is focused on being able to run on anything. How does NetBSD stack against FreeBSD?

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« Reply #231 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 09:12:31 »
freebsd is maybe the most easy to try first, netbsd works quite nicely, differences are hard to tell without trying.
i felt better with netbsd as an os, but freebsd ports felt better to use
i don't like openbsd at all, specially as i had some at work and it was hell to maintain. the security part is true only if you keep base install without anything else, so it's biased for me
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« Reply #232 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 09:57:35 »
*nix users, when you say "able to run anything", what are you running? By default, I have a windows 7 machine, because I got a license OEM, and i like to play the latest and greatest 3d games. Since slackware 6, I have had a linux machine sitting around looking for things to do. Back before you could buy little NAT routers, IP masquerading was the killer app for me, but I also prefer the IRC clients.

So now, I run a ubuntu VM, which is essentially an IRC client that takes 2gb and 1 core. I can never find a reason to alt tab over and do anything else there.  What other apps to you prefer *nix ports of?

Yes, I realize "i just don't get it." I'm just worried there are things brewing in the opensource world that I'm missing out on. I'm not interested in things that are less functional approximations of windows apps.

I do see the value in being able to knock out quick small programs or scripts without a bulky IDE. OK, so windows fails there.

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« Reply #233 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 10:14:45 »
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ubuntu has serious flaws, specially when you want to go text mode


Not sure what you mean by this. Care to elaborate?

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« Reply #234 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 11:44:12 »
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Not sure what you mean by this. Care to elaborate?


For one, a lot of essential command line tools are missing. I remember trying to fix an Ubuntu machine. Went to get a package, told me that there was no network - as the GUI was unable to start, networkmanager had failed to kick in. So I ran 'dhcpcd' and lo and behold - 'The package dhcpcd is not installed...'

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« Reply #235 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 17:10:07 »
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Not sure what you mean by this. Care to elaborate?


i got some problems with some apps (moc, evilvte, and one another i don't remember)
apps crashing or not starting at all, and i did some bug reports that had no answers at all
when it's not mainstream gui apps, they don't care much

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« Reply #236 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 19:50:12 »
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Not sure what you mean by this. Care to elaborate?

There was a huuuge issue before where if you used the nvidia driver anything but the standard resolution for the virtual consoles would result in not being able to see them
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For one, a lot of essential command line tools are missing. I remember trying to fix an Ubuntu machine. Went to get a package, told me that there was no network - as the GUI was unable to start, networkmanager had failed to kick in. So I ran 'dhcpcd' and lo and behold - 'The package dhcpcd is not installed...'

dhclient is the default dhcp program, not dhcpd...never used dhcpd before actually

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« Reply #237 on: Fri, 22 January 2010, 23:02:38 »
I don't like the BSD development ideals compared to linux:
Security is everything, features and enhancements only come when they everyone is like "wtf, why don't we have this 3-year old feature everybody wants yet?" A: "Because we aren't secure enough!"

BSD isn't something i'd prefer personally, because of the slow innovativeness and less open-ness of new ideas - whereas linux makes improvements constantly and is open to a slew of crazy ideas.

And if you've ever used something besides ubuntu, you know why it sucks :P - If you don't want to upgrade often or do ANYTHING custom it's fine - which defeats the whole purpose, we aren't windows!
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« Reply #238 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 04:56:24 »
Despite using Arch on my desktop for about a year before I got my Thinkpad, for reasons that basically boiled down to laziness, when I got it, I used Ubuntu on it. I remember there being random bugs and crashes and stuff, but in particular, I remember that it's implementation of networkmanager had atrocious issues with the wifi system in my college (it would drop regularly). So I waited for 8.10 to come out, excited that this would fix my bugs. It did, but it introduced more bugs, more crashes, and now the wifi, whilst stable, would take up to 5-10 minutes to connect. Somehow I put up with this for another 6 months until Ubuntu 9.04 came out. 'Surely this must solve my problems?' I thought. Apparently not, it made the wifi worse than the 8.04 release, and also started to affect my wifi at home. It also crashed a lot. So I had spent a thick end of a year hoping that in the future, problems would be solved, but in fact, they just kept stacking up which each successive version.

And that was when I acheived enlightenment - rolling releases are the only way to go.

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« Reply #239 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 08:16:02 »
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And that was when I acheived enlightenment - rolling releases are the only way to go.

Truly, unless you use debian and want to be extremely old :P

I heard arch takes mass configuring to get all thinkpad stuff working correctly - just annoying - when compared to something like ubuntu or something so I probably would try something else too :P (until I realized that the only way to get what I want is to configure it, but that's less fun)
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« Reply #240 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 08:53:38 »
That was my logic for going with Ubuntu, but in reality, GNOME handles a lot of that stuff. Asides from configuring the power saving functions, it's not much more difficult than configuring for a desktop.

In fact, Thinkpads are ideal because of the standard Intel parts they use, and the fact that a lot of Linux types use them so they tend to be supported well by everything.
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« Reply #241 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 11:27:54 »
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Debian also made me wanna throw my boxes out the window. That wouldn't work though, because my office is on the 1st floor. No matter which Linux I try, Slackware always kicks its butt. So easy to set up and get it *exactly* like I want. No flab.


Seconded.
I respectfully decline the invitation to join your delusion.


Offline vyshane

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« Reply #242 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 21:53:15 »
Lots of fanboyism in this thread. We're not only bashing other operating systems, we're now bashing different flavors of the same OS.

Offline msiegel

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« Reply #243 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 22:47:42 »
Quote from: vyshane;153333
Lots of fanboyism in this thread. We're not only bashing other operating systems, we're now bashing different flavors of the same OS.


please allow me, to be first to bash my own favorite OS flavor
XD

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« Reply #244 on: Sat, 23 January 2010, 23:22:59 »
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Wake me up when one of them gets over 10% market share.


my fave is mac os x... with only 5%
;-/

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Offline cheater1034

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« Reply #245 on: Sun, 24 January 2010, 00:04:57 »
Hey, just because microsoft owns the market doesn't mean they make them the best - but you're supported because you pay for it, but the support is generally terrible anyway.

Linux/bsd are known for being used in production environments on servers and such, many companies use it, the dumb ones don't - google,  yahoo, ibm, smuckers!!, disney, etc. all are linux - some aren't, like diebold - they run winxp on all their atms :P

I couldn't imagine running windows on a web, file, or any type of server.
There's no excuse for microsoft to charge a premium for their junk products:
EX: compare these:
Apache > IIS
MySQL > M$ Sql Server

Come on microsoft! You can't charge people for a product that is significantly inferior to a free product.
No wonder why all those major companies use linux: No useless+obstrusive gui, free support, scalable, better tools, secure, and free.

Linux on desktops is a somewhat recent phenomena (which is constantly improving), but several of the features found in windows vista/7 have been in some of the *nix userspace software years before it was seen in windows. - Basically, windows 7 is only new for windows - using designs/functions that already existed elsewhere (maybe MS came up with SNAP all by themselves, but who uses that :P)

I think if unix formed some kind of desktop identity before windows/apple did then it may be signifcantly more popular - but it was never intended :P - The current linux kernel hasn't totally adjusted to suit desktops yet either.
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« Reply #246 on: Sun, 24 January 2010, 10:50:50 »
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MySQL > M$ Sql Server
either.


I'm a primarily MS DBA/dev at a company that is half linux/oracle, so I'm not going to spew off any religious nonsense. That is a bold statement, though.  It's pretty amazing what MS is doing with SQL Server/.NET/Source Control/Project management/integration. Especially with the 2008 iteration of everything.

There is no way a disjointed product-set could match it. Of course I don't expect Google to run SQL Server, it's better suited for the midsize sector that needs to be flexible/agile.

Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #247 on: Mon, 25 January 2010, 07:51:47 »
Quote from: snerd;153409
I'm a primarily MS DBA/dev at a company that is half linux/oracle, so I'm not going to spew off any religious nonsense. That is a bold statement, though. It's pretty amazing what MS is doing with SQL Server/.NET/Source Control/Project management/integration. Especially with the 2008 iteration of everything.
 
There is no way a disjointed product-set could match it. Of course I don't expect Google to run SQL Server, it's better suited for the midsize sector that needs to be flexible/agile.

Seconded.  MySQL > SQL Server - only if you need something free (legally).  The DB itself is pretty decent, but as snerd mentioned, SSIS, Source Control, etc. make it very powerful.


Offline didjamatic

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« Reply #248 on: Mon, 25 January 2010, 08:16:02 »
We are an Oracle shop and have MS SQL for a number of applications as well.  I've been using MySQL since before LAMP was an acronym and MySQL does not compare to either for anything substantial.  For some things it is fantastic like an iphone is fantastic... but I'm not about to say my iphone is better than my PC, or a supercomputer.  They do some of the same things but are very different animals.

FYI, Oracle owns MySQL.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #249 on: Mon, 25 January 2010, 10:25:11 »
In general terms, RDBMSs can be classified into two types: transactional (mainframes, POS, other real-time apps) and data warehousing.  Oracle owns in the transactional arena while Teradata is money for warehousing.  SQL Server is geared towards warehousing applications and includes some fairly decent tools for making the most of reporting and ETL work.  For web-based stuff, I prefer SQL Server as I can use the built-in ETL tools (SSIS) to suck in data from a lot of systems here at work and display them in web-based reports. SSIS may not be the most powerful ETL tool on the market (TIBCO and Informatica are much better), but it's easy to use, and it's plenty for a small to mid-size application.