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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #1 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 04:44:04 »
"A few weeks ago, Razer announced that they have developed their own all-new mechanical switches, ..."

So these switches are not just copies or rebadged versions of those other switches?
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #2 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 09:01:40 »
The 3rd page on the switches pretty much sums up what is already being said in the thread on razer switches...


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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #3 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 09:05:30 »
The 3rd page on the switches pretty much sums up what is already being said in the thread on razer switches...

http://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55578.0

In case anyone missed the thread referenced.

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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #4 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 11:41:12 »
One thing I think weird is that Razer claims that the keyboard has 10-key rollover... eh.. 6 arbitrary keys + 4 modifiers, right?
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #5 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 12:23:41 »
10 KRO is somewhat odd since the boot protocol is 6 KRO + 8 mods (left and right shift, alt, ctrl, gui), Razer would claim this to be 14 KRO.
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #6 on: Thu, 03 April 2014, 15:52:53 »
Take down the switches from that price tag and you have a huge incentive to market them aggressively :)
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #7 on: Fri, 04 April 2014, 02:18:54 »
10 key rollover, in theory, means that, at least, any arbitrary 10 keys can be held down at once and still properly register. I’m not quite sure how you’d get 10 key rollover but not n-key though. It would be worth asking Razer what they mean, assuming someone could get through their marketing department to the engineers.

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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #8 on: Fri, 04 April 2014, 07:24:18 »
i feel like razer is that kid who can't really make it in life but gets everything he wants cause he has rich parents and is brought up with a silver spoon with all that advertising and marketing surrounding it while the rest of the keyboards like those we like in this forum are like the rest of us who have to work hard to get what we want and rely on our own merits to succeed as we don't have the marketing team of razer...

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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #9 on: Fri, 04 April 2014, 07:29:53 »
i feel like razer is that kid who can't really make it in life but gets everything he wants cause he has rich parents and is brought up with a silver spoon with all that advertising and marketing surrounding it while the rest of the keyboards like those we like in this forum are like the rest of us who have to work hard to get what we want and rely on our own merits to succeed as we don't have the marketing team of razer...

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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 05 April 2014, 02:38:24 »
Razer is the Microsoft of the keyboard world?
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #11 on: Sat, 05 April 2014, 08:26:10 »
Razer is the Microsoft of the keyboard world?

Sort of. That is a good thing. Over time Microsoft improved though.
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #12 on: Sat, 05 April 2014, 10:17:31 »
10 key rollover, in theory, means that, at least, any arbitrary 10 keys can be held down at once and still properly register.
Maybe they are using a 16-byte extended report with a 10-byte array for ten arbitrary keys, a three-byte bitfield for the media keys, a byte for LEDs, a byte for modifiers and a byte for report ID, makes 16.
... but who am I kidding, this is Razer we are talking about and they are probably lying. :rolleyes:
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Re: Anandtech.com - Razer BWU Review
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 06 April 2014, 00:57:41 »
Razer is the Microsoft of the keyboard world?

Sort of. That is a good thing. Over time Microsoft improved though.

Over-priced second-rate over-hyped junk pushed down our throats with no other option?

That is GOOD??
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