Post by: MiTo on Tue, 16 August 2016, 14:42:36
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 16 August 2016, 14:47:17
Post by: sony on Tue, 16 August 2016, 14:49:54
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Tue, 16 August 2016, 15:29:14
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Tue, 16 August 2016, 16:03:30
Post by: KetchyKech on Tue, 16 August 2016, 16:12:28
Post by: JDragon on Tue, 16 August 2016, 18:00:35
SA uniform feels so much better imo. R1 caps are awful, but I guess I can live with R2.
Post by: hoq on Tue, 16 August 2016, 20:44:27
don't quiet like 22-3333, or all R3, It's been called Flat Chested in China.
As you know Filco SA is not quiet popular here.
For me, at least, x-x-2-3-4-x is needed....I think.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Tue, 16 August 2016, 21:39:24
Post by: jchan94 on Tue, 16 August 2016, 22:04:00
SA Dangerzone proved to me that it works <3
Post by: thelaughingman on Tue, 16 August 2016, 22:18:11
With the old 1-1-2-3-4-3 profile I also noticed that people may have trouble reaching the left 1.25u CONTROL (regardless if R3 or R4) when combined with a R4 SHIFT Z X C V B N M row. What I mean is that the SHIFT curvature sort of prevents your left pinky finger from naturally reaching the CONTROL switch. I also tried other profile setups, for example 2-3-3-4-3, 2-3-3-4-4 and others but 2-3-3-3-3 performed better from what I can tell.
Also a question if someone can explain. I understand the 1-1-2-3-4-4 setup since it makes a fuller curve but why so many sets go with 1-1-2-3-4-3? For example the Chocolatier SA changed from 1-1-2-3-4-4 to 1-1-2-3-4-3 very close to the buy.
Post by: TheVengeance on Wed, 17 August 2016, 05:14:15
Post by: Data on Wed, 17 August 2016, 06:40:32
Uniform pls.
SA Dangerzone proved to me that it works <3
(http://i.imgur.com/YjyZ0yZ.png?1)
SO PROUD
SO PROUD
Post by: My_Thoughts on Wed, 17 August 2016, 08:34:31
Post by: Geckt on Wed, 17 August 2016, 08:45:34
Anything for a change from a flush uniform R3 please, MiTo. It's nothing like DSA profile strangely.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZY809yr.jpg)
As we approach the group buy launch after two years in the making I'd like to hear your opinions about the final profile setup that I chose for the keycap set, which you can see in the green border mockups below. The set was previously designed as a 1-1-2-3-4-3 keycap set but some people dislike this config and requested something smoother, organic and different. For the people who never used a SA set, the 1-1-2-3-4-3 curvature is very pronunciated (Pulse was made on this profile) and some people dislike the super tall R1 keycaps (wobble) and the negative angle that R4 offers (ache) - see the Pulse picture at the bottom of this post.
So for the past weeks I have been testing various SA configs and tinkering with my daily driver and what I learned from this experience is that 2-2-3-3-3-3 seems to be the optimal setup. I tried it first and it was the faster for me to adjust coming from Cherry profile, it looks good (has a terminal/vintage vibe since the bottom row modifiers have the same row as the space bar, so it looks completely uniform), feels confortable for typing and works great when playing games. With the old 1-1-2-3-4-3 profile I also noticed that people may have trouble reaching the left 1.25u CONTROL (regardless if R3 or R4) when combined with a R4 SHIFT Z X C V B N M row. What I mean is that the SHIFT curvature sort of prevents your left pinky finger from naturally reaching the CONTROL switch. I also tried other profile setups, for example 2-3-3-4-3, 2-3-3-4-4 and others but 2-3-3-3-3 performed better from what I can tell.
The greatest feature of the new config is that it feels and looks great when paired with both flat and angled cases, which isn't always the case with 1-2-3-4-3 sets - because when paired with flat cases the negative angle of R4 can cause ouch after long sessions. With the new profile configuration users will naturally have a good curvature and ergonomics, on both angled and flat cases.
I'd like to ask you people to experiment with this profile with your grab bags/other SA sets and report back with input. Tell me what you think, will you benefit from this new profile setup? I'll be tweaking and releasing the exact child deals that will be offered in a couple of days so hang around for more info and feel free to make requests, I'll consider everything.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/fFNw8Ch.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/mWPBLFf.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/RLuV47m.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WfvhA3l.jpg)
shot by /u/clrnt3z_ (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4v0k1y/pulse_vibes/)
I tried uniform R3 and everything under the home row just felt alienating to me especially at a raised angle with your keyboard feets out unlike DSA which felt very similar to Cherry Profile to me.
I will agree with the above comment by hoq about 2-2-3-3-3 might be sub-optimal too.
Post by: IneffableTao on Wed, 17 August 2016, 14:33:43
Highly approve of both the layout and design!
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 17 August 2016, 16:37:43
Post by: lolpes on Wed, 17 August 2016, 19:02:24
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Also a question if someone can explain. I understand the 1-1-2-3-4-4 setup since it makes a fuller curve but why so many sets go with 1-1-2-3-4-3? For example the Chocolatier SA changed from 1-1-2-3-4-4 to 1-1-2-3-4-3 very close to the buy.
It has to do with the angle at which your fingers hit each key on each row, R4 is against a straight downstroke as is the case. Of your thumb pressing down on the spacebar, or you pressing control or alt and some other key. It would make. More sense to use R2 for that matter instead of R4. But I think R3 suits it much better.
Also this is why I am going to say I don't agree with the "ouch" part on the R4, the negative angle has a purpose, with your hands in the correct position, your fingers are attacking the keycap towards you, thus it makes sense that the angle is facing the fingers when they reach back to that row.
The only row in SA that could be changed would possibly be R1, it looks amazing, but the curvature is badly adapted to cherry. Keycap straight stems.
Post by: TheVengeance on Fri, 19 August 2016, 02:35:48
They also feel like a complete product, like something with personality.
Now take almost all dsa sets, almost all have no market value, there's no personality.
Post by: nateth on Fri, 19 August 2016, 03:30:52
Frankly, I'd like to try a set like that to see how I like it.
2-2-3-3-3 is too flat for my personal taste. That said, I can respect it.
Post by: JDragon on Mon, 22 August 2016, 14:16:59
It's gotta be sculpted if you want it to be a valuable set for the future. If you look at the trends all of the sa sets that are now sought after are sculpted.
They also feel like a complete product, like something with personality.
Now take almost all dsa sets, almost all have no market value, there's no personality.
Nuclear Data is uniform SA and goes for 500+. I'm sure Symbiosis would go for in the same price range. Danger Zone, depending on kits, has gone for 300ish.
Granite DSA is in constant demand (so much that SP is going to have constant sales of it). I could list my Hyperfuse DSA and get 300+ in a heartbeat.
Seems like plenty of "personality" to me.
Also, who designs a keyset with "future market value" in mind? The keyset should reflect the designer's vision, not what inflated price it will sell at 2-3 years down the road.
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Mon, 22 August 2016, 14:39:25
I couldn't agree more. I just want a nice looking and feeling keyset. And this one certainly looks nice!It's gotta be sculpted if you want it to be a valuable set for the future. If you look at the trends all of the sa sets that are now sought after are sculpted.
They also feel like a complete product, like something with personality.
Now take almost all dsa sets, almost all have no market value, there's no personality.
Nuclear Data is uniform SA and goes for 500+. I'm sure Symbiosis would go for in the same price range. Danger Zone, depending on kits, has gone for 300ish.
Granite DSA is in constant demand (so much that SP is going to have constant sales of it). I could list my Hyperfuse DSA and get 300+ in a heartbeat.
Seems like plenty of personality to me.
Also, who designs a keyset with "future market value" in mind? The keyset should reflect the designer's vision, not what inflated price it will set at 2-3 years down the road.
Post by: Fibonacci_Jones on Mon, 22 August 2016, 22:32:27
For me, it seems a 2-3-3-3-3 setup would be safer than fully sculpted (while that latter would look neater imo)
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 26 August 2016, 12:09:34
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 02 September 2016, 03:58:28
And personally I really really want DSA have a sculpted version (I speak about DSA height).
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Tue, 06 September 2016, 20:09:18
Post by: daybreak365 on Wed, 07 September 2016, 19:15:33
Post by: orpheo on Thu, 08 September 2016, 03:46:02
I absolutely love this keyset!
I vote for uniforme R3
As well as ISO French childset.
Also consider making ergodox childset, with some color like red and orange. Thanks!
Hope it will do!
Post by: laminam on Sun, 11 September 2016, 21:20:20
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Mon, 12 September 2016, 17:20:31
Post by: poolside on Mon, 12 September 2016, 17:45:00
Uniform! Any update on if/when this might be dropping?
It should be hitting MD in about 1-2 weeks now, according to this (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/4grlt5/godspeed/d761qu6) post from the /r/mk thread.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 12 September 2016, 18:12:57
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 12 September 2016, 18:45:10
It's definitely launching in a couple weeks. I've been quite busy with many things and I'm hoping to update you guys with more information/kits as soon as I can, some projects have been overlaping each other so I apologize for my abscence. Regardless, I'm pretty satisfied with all the feedback aquired via multiple platforms and forums and before hand I'd like to announce that this set will be multisculpted with an optional kit. It will be up to you to chose between 223333 or 112343.
Thank you for the update! It's a lovely set, definitely will be getting in on the group buy. Hoping a 1.75u RShift is included in there somewhere, or a tsangan kit otherwise, if not I can just use it on my other boards but I've been keen on my whitefox lately. :-X
Post by: hoq on Mon, 12 September 2016, 19:02:33
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Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 13 September 2016, 10:04:24
Post by: MaNiFeX on Tue, 13 September 2016, 12:39:38
I love the look and feel of 1-2-3-3-3-3 but overall I'm not that bothered. I do agree that x-x-x-x-4-3 can be annoying with the edge of 4, but it does seem to be popular. I wonder if it's popular because users have not tried other options?
I've typed on 3-3-3-3-3-3, 1-2-3-3-3-3, and 1-2-3-3-4-3. Personally, I prefer the 1-2-3-3-3-3, but can understand why people like the 1-2-3-3-4-3, as it's a nice on angled boards. I'm down for any, though.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 13 September 2016, 13:20:23
I've typed on 3-3-3-3-3-3, 1-2-3-3-3-3, and 1-2-3-3-4-3. Personally, I prefer the 1-2-3-3-3-3, but can understand why people like the 1-2-3-3-4-3, as it's a nice on angled boards. I'm down for any, though.
Indeed, I've done some experiments last couple days and I really like 1-2-3-3-4-3 on angled and then either 1-2-3-3-3-3 or 3-3-3-3-3-3 for flat. I'll be satisfied with any, probably going to pick up the 223333 out of the ones Mito's mentioned.
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 14 September 2016, 00:43:51
It's definitely launching in a couple weeks. I've been quite busy with many things and I'm hoping to update you guys with more information/kits as soon as I can, some projects have been overlaping each other so I apologize for my abscence. Regardless, I'm pretty satisfied with all the feedback aquired via multiple platforms and forums and before hand I'd like to announce that this set will be multisculpted with an optional kit. It will be up to you to chose between 223333 or 112343.
Whoa multisculpted in a single GB?!
Post by: wodan on Wed, 14 September 2016, 02:10:45
Personally, I believe the 1-1-2-3-4-3 row profile is the divine solution since the bottom R3 matches the SA space bar best. I haven't seen any lost fingers due to the 3-4-3 profile stepping.
If the R1 caps feel too wobbly, sticker the switches!
If you want ALL-R3 profile caps then please design a DSA keycap set which is basically ALL-R3 caps without the heels ... Those ALL-R3 sets are just clogging up the SA production queue and could be done on the side on the DSA machinery instead!
Post by: lolpes on Wed, 14 September 2016, 03:38:12
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 14 September 2016, 06:52:32
Whoa multisculpted in a single GB?!
Exactly, I'd like to see both setups being equally viable and wallet friendly for you. :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Wed, 14 September 2016, 10:44:55
It's not a real SA keycap set if it doesn't have a full profile.
Personally, I believe the 1-1-2-3-4-3 row profile is the divine solution since the bottom R3 matches the SA space bar best. I haven't seen any lost fingers due to the 3-4-3 profile stepping.
If the R1 caps feel too wobbly, sticker the switches!
If you want ALL-R3 profile caps then please design a DSA keycap set which is basically ALL-R3 caps without the heels ... Those ALL-R3 sets are just clogging up the SA production queue and could be done on the side on the DSA machinery instead!
As someone who has both, DSA =\= Uniform R3 SA. In no particular way. I love uniform R3 SA after getting it on my DZ, and wish that more people would make their SA sets uniform R3, but 2-3-3-3-3-3 works too, so I'm definitely in.
Post by: JDragon on Wed, 14 September 2016, 12:13:59
It's not a real SA keycap set if it doesn't have a full profile.
Personally, I believe the 1-1-2-3-4-3 row profile is the divine solution since the bottom R3 matches the SA space bar best. I haven't seen any lost fingers due to the 3-4-3 profile stepping.
If the R1 caps feel too wobbly, sticker the switches!
If you want ALL-R3 profile caps then please design a DSA keycap set which is basically ALL-R3 caps without the heels ... Those ALL-R3 sets are just clogging up the SA production queue and could be done on the side on the DSA machinery instead!
lol @ "real SA"
Post by: Geckt on Wed, 14 September 2016, 20:56:05
112343，pleeeeease……有得选择全R3或112343嘛。
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Post by: hoq on Wed, 14 September 2016, 21:55:29
112343，pleeeeease……有得选择全R3或112343嘛。
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Post by: simonyunhe on Wed, 14 September 2016, 21:59:05
确定112343或223333。112343，pleeeeease……有得选择全R3或112343嘛。
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Sure you can choose between 112343 or 223333.
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 14 September 2016, 21:59:37
But for the picky enthusiasts who really want to experience the unique flat setup I presented in OP, I'm going to add a "Terminal Kit" featuring flat alphas combined with interesting novelties, which is meant to be used on 40s (given that you also order the 40s mods), 60s (standalone) and TKLs (standalone). By "standalone" I mean "GMK style", you'll be good with this kit on it's own.
Ergodox, 100s, Tsangan and International users are not covered with this kit, unless they want to ghetto and use 1-1-2-3-4-3 modifiers or 1-1-2-3-4-3 numpad or whatever other crazy combination you come up with.
In case you're wondering why I'm not making everything modular the answer is that because it's simply not viable. I could definitely offer FLAT ALPHAS, FLAT MODS, FLAT NOVELTIES, SCULPTED ALPHAS, SCULPTED MODS, SCULPTED NOVELTIES, etc. but can you imagine what a logistic nightmare it would be? Not many people would be funding these kits together, therefore they would be expensive for asbolutely everyone. We would be essentially having two different keycap sets being offered at the same time, both with terrible pricing. People would get confused when ordering (broken/non-intuitive kits) and the sorting guys would easily get overwhelmed and make mistakes. My initial idea was to make a 223333 Adapter Kit, (to transform a 112343 into it's flat counterpart) but then you'd end up with a lot of wasted keycaps, regardless of your layout (ANSI, Tsangan, whatever).
So I came up with the Terminal Kit:
(http://i.imgur.com/wTG3pV3.png)
And I have a couple questions for those who would use it:
- Would you like to see it trimmed down to 60% only?
- Or maybe expanded to 100%? (by adding a flat Numpad with it)
- Do you like the bottom row modifiers or would you prefer text only?
- Do you like the red cluster or would you prefer full blue/yellow/beige?
It's impossible to please everyone but given the interest for flat and your passion for sculpted I'm trying to make this work as best as I can. So let me know what you think!
RANDOM PRACTICAL EXAMPLE:
Let's say you have a Planck, a Novatouch, you love SA and you'd like to try the flat setup. I'd recommend you to order Alphas + 40s Mods (to complete your Planck) and either a Terminal Kit or another pack of Alphas + Base Mods to properly cover your Novatouch.
ANOTHER EXAMPLE:
You have a 40% and want to experience the flat setup then you'd need the Terminal Kit + 40s Mods. Does that make sense?
TL;DR: Basically, at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the set will be 1-1-2-3-4-3 but an unique kit for 40s/60s/TKLs with novelties will be provided on 2-2-3-3-3-3 (and it's called Terminal Kit). What do you think about said kit?
Post by: Geckt on Wed, 14 September 2016, 22:04:19
一句话， 赞啦!确定112343或223333。112343，pleeeeease……有得选择全R3或112343嘛。
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Sure you can choose between 112343 or 223333.
通杀! lolol
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Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 14 September 2016, 22:29:52
TL;DR: Basically, at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the set will be 1-1-2-3-4-3 but an unique kit for 40s/60s/TKLs with novelties will be provided on 2-2-3-3-3-3 (and it's called Terminal Kit). What do you think about said kit?
I think having it be a standalone "GMK style" is a brilliant idea - I have a few TKLs and have a couple 40% boards coming in soon enough and having the option to go for 223333 (which I slightly prefer to 112343 most the time) will be fantastic. I have no use for 60% because the only one I have is a HHKB, nor do I own 100% boards, so the TKL size for the Terminal Kit is perfect for me.
I have two WhiteFox Arias so I'd be needing a 1.75 rshift though, I'm assuming I could just get the tsangan kit and snatch it from there, no biggie.
I appreciate the amount of possibilities you're offering with the addition of the Terminal! Very much looking forward to the drop, it'll still be a couple weeks till it launches correct?
PS: Oh yea, I forgot, I love the bottom row modifiers for the Terminal. The red cluster I'm unsure about, I may prefer it be in blue or beige but the red may grow on me over time as well - not a deal breaker either way, I'll most likely be using artisans there. :blank:
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 14 September 2016, 22:46:48
From the last kit render, I realize it had very little (if any) 1u R3 novelties which means sad news for ortho user.
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 15 September 2016, 04:34:42
And I have a couple questions for those who would use it:
- Would you like to see it trimmed down to 60% only?
- Or maybe expanded to 100%? (by adding a flat Numpad with it)
- Do you like the bottom row modifiers or would you prefer text only?
- Do you like the red cluster or would you prefer full blue/yellow/beige?
It's impossible to please everyone but given the interest for flat and your passion for sculpted I'm trying to make this work as best as I can. So let me know what you think!
1&2: I think it would be best to check the order quantities for previous buys to get a solid answer for that. But to answer the question for myself as a Fullsize user, I think TLK is fine, Numpad as its own kit.
3: I do love me some nice symbols, but I wouldn't mind if they were only part of a novelties set.
4: Could you maybe provide a picture of the other variant for reference? I'm unsure myself for now.
Mission Control would have made a nice Ctrl key aswell, but I guess a two liner would not fit in with all the other one-liner text mods. Also hoping there will be symbols for arrow keys in a addon kit, never really liked text on those. And since this is spaceflight themed if I got that right, maybe Abort instead of Eject? Never heard of Eject in spaceflight.
Edit: Actually, Mission Control would rather be used for the OS key, even though it contains the word Control, it makes more sense in this context.
Post by: wodan on Thu, 15 September 2016, 06:37:57
Also very relieved to hear the international kit will be fully profiled. Love the colors and concept of this set and can't wait for the ordering to start.
Post by: chuckdee on Thu, 15 September 2016, 10:10:08
And I have a couple questions for those who would use it:
- Would you like to see it trimmed down to 60% only?
- Or maybe expanded to 100%? (by adding a flat Numpad with it)
- Do you like the bottom row modifiers or would you prefer text only?
- Do you like the red cluster or would you prefer full blue/yellow/beige?
60% would be enough for me, but I'm going that way no matter, so it doesn't really matter if it has the extra keys.
Modifiers is fine with me.
The red cluster seems out of place to me. However, I'm not going to be using those keys, most likely.
Post by: parablol on Thu, 15 September 2016, 13:12:47
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 16 September 2016, 12:57:05
Any chance of a Dvorak key pack on this?
Absolutely, I'll be posting the child deals (most likely) this weekend.
I'm removing the planet icon from the Terminal Kit and will keep it text only. Thanks you all for the great responses and interest in the project, we gonna have some pretty neat and unique kits available!
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 16 September 2016, 14:05:44
Absolutely, I'll be posting the child deals (most likely) this weekend.
I'm removing the planet icon from the Terminal Kit and will keep it text only. Thanks you all for the great responses and interest in the project, we gonna have some pretty neat and unique kits available!
Very exciting news Mito, can't wait for things to get going! Hopefully the planet icon will still be available through the novelties kit, it's a lovely design.
Post by: depreshun on Fri, 16 September 2016, 22:34:33
Post by: breckstar on Fri, 16 September 2016, 23:00:05
1. I personally like the TKL > 60%, just because of the extra keys you would get to build on other size layouts. What would even be better if it offered a 1.75u shift to cover the 65% community while not really hurting the 60%/TKL communities.
And I have a couple questions for those who would use it:
- Would you like to see it trimmed down to 60% only?
- Or maybe expanded to 100%? (by adding a flat Numpad with it)
- Do you like the bottom row modifiers or would you prefer text only?
- Do you like the red cluster or would you prefer full blue/yellow/beige?
TL;DR: Basically, at the end of the day, when it's all said and done, the set will be 1-1-2-3-4-3 but an unique kit for 40s/60s/TKLs with novelties will be provided on 2-2-3-3-3-3 (and it's called Terminal Kit). What do you think about said kit?
2. I'm not really a 100% guy so I'll pass on that.
3. I like the image key for windows key so I like it how it is. But, I am not opposed to all text as long as it stays in the "novelties" style text and not the typical hyper, meta, super etc. as a replacement for the image key.
4. Red cluster fits as nice accent imo.
Pumped for this set.
Post by: lemur on Sat, 17 September 2016, 07:32:32
no to the red cluster
prefer text only bottom row
Post by: Geckt on Sat, 17 September 2016, 21:53:38
And it's great news for those that stands only for uniform r3 sets as an option for that DSA can't satisfy them while keeping the full sculptured profile.
I'm with the red cluster if it in includes other keys like Escape to really accentuate the colors. Saying no is just shutting out the creativity for designs.
Hell, I'm all for it if the cluster is in the same faded blue (edit: in this case, the yellow in the mock-up ) used for the modifiers.
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Post by: dilbertprogrammer on Sun, 18 September 2016, 11:16:39
Post by: poolside on Sun, 18 September 2016, 13:17:40
Great to see that top right red cluster instead of the usual red Esc keycap! :thumb:
However, I find the Roll, Yaw and Pitch legends a little boring and not spacey enough. They fit better to the Danger Zone theme, in my opinion.
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 19 September 2016, 13:44:27
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Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 19 September 2016, 13:53:08
Post by: MediocreBadGuy23 on Mon, 19 September 2016, 14:10:10
Post by: dilbertprogrammer on Mon, 19 September 2016, 14:11:07
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 19 September 2016, 14:37:21
2. Props for the 40s kit
3. Props for the legended ergodox kit!
4. Thank you for the Colemak :-*
Now let me *****ing, esp about your PhD :p
1. Please add 1 more R4 shift
2. I think it is better to use the Alpha's cream for blanks in PhD and use the yellow to accentuate Low-Rise-Enter
3. How about 1u R3 yellow "Launch" to replace yellow Godspeed on PhD?
4. Pulse's Planck is better IMO with CMD and Caps Lock addition (and Super-Hyper-Meta instead of only SAS-RCS)
5. It's too little novelties available for Planck/Preonic :-[
Bonus opinion: I don't use apparent bottom-right-arrow on my planck and use another CMD alt ctrl instead, so I prefer anything fancy to replace the arrow or even better, (another) actual CMD alt ctrl.
Nevertheless, very nice kit overall :thumb:
Post by: MiTo on Mon, 19 September 2016, 19:29:10
Regarding the Planck kit, the color swap for raise and lower is something I experimented in the past but removed entirely, if this request gathers more weight I'll swap it accordingly. It looks good but people would complain having it yellow only.We will most likely end up with yellow RAISE/LOWER and swap the spacebars for beige, the current yellow space bars will be available via blanks (like they currently are), like you suggested.
I'm looking into adding the secondary shift for the Preonic. But have in mind that the kit already covers the Preonic and it's not possible to cover everyone's particular layout, cause if we do it the kit will end up being huge and expensive. I understand the suggestion and will try to tweak it.
About Planck novelties I understand the frustration since we practically only have SAS and RCS, which are real spacecraft systems terms and act as a wild card in the kit (replacing CMD and the SUPER-META/HYPER trio that's practically on every set). But with the addition of yellow RAISE/LOWER it will look a bit more stylish in my opinion, and more overall balanced between a classy/noveltied look.
The reason for the lack of LAUNCH and other funny legends is because of molds. We have a lot of new molds being done and they aren't entirely interchangable, so even though I wanted more fancy words on the Planck that would mean (again) a relatively sour price.
Problem with adding a yellow enter is that we have 3 enters (R3 and R4) on blue. So it would be another 3 extra caps if I were to add yellow, cause I don't want flat and sculpted people having advantage over the counterpart. 6 total enters wouldn't make sense so we either have 3 blue or 3 yellow. I chose the first for obvious reasons, and in my perception RAISE/LOWER on yellow will be enough yellow accent for a Planck and if you need more accent there's a yellow MAL that can act as an ESC or BACKSPACE via novelties.
Sounds good?
Post by: jebbra on Mon, 19 September 2016, 20:56:06
Even there are two CMD thumb on Dox kit (I suggested it on Reddit teaser)
Hope more people will chime in for beige spacebars and yellow raise-lower at PhD kit :thumb:
Post by: chuckdee on Mon, 19 September 2016, 22:29:53
Post by: Vigrith on Mon, 19 September 2016, 23:02:05
Don't see the terminal in your final kits. Did you decide not to go that way?
Pretty sure he just renamed it to "Cockpit" instead - I was left wondering at first too but then I had a better look and it has to be that.
Post by: captsis on Tue, 20 September 2016, 03:21:05
Post by: maximm on Tue, 20 September 2016, 04:16:31
* No Alt GR for the norde
* Why the 6.25 spacebar in the spacebar kit? Its included in all other kits that needs it. Add the 7u spacebar to the tsafox for WKL compatibility.
Post by: jebbra on Tue, 20 September 2016, 04:18:26
can you add a HHKB layout support? (cough*DELETE*cough*)
I believe MiTo changed it to ERASE in Tsafox Kit (R2 1.5u one).
Post by: Oblotzky on Tue, 20 September 2016, 05:44:08
(http://i.imgur.com/ljQoOPx.jpg)
Will we have to pray for a good outcome?
Post by: poolside on Tue, 20 September 2016, 18:59:01
No need for FC660M users to get the Tsafox kit this time, as the Novelties kit provides the extra 2.25u "Deflect" Shift and a 1u R3 "NASA" Fn replacement, wonderful! :)
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 20 September 2016, 19:47:11
can you add a HHKB layout support? (cough*DELETE*cough*)
I believe MiTo changed it to ERASE in Tsafox Kit (R2 1.5u one).
This is correct, I'm also going to add a R3 1.5 ERASE for the Cockpit (flat profile) people.
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 20 September 2016, 21:14:55
Maybe a 1.75u shift/novelty shift as well to cockpit? Seems like that could make it a one and done kit for a lot of people.can you add a HHKB layout support? (cough*DELETE*cough*)
I believe MiTo changed it to ERASE in Tsafox Kit (R2 1.5u one).
This is correct, I'm also going to add a R3 1.5 ERASE for the Cockpit (flat profile) people.
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 20 September 2016, 21:42:56
Maybe a 1.75u shift/novelty shift as well to cockpit? Seems like that could make it a one and done kit for a lot of people.
Actually, this is a really good idea if expanding the kit by 1-2 keys isn't that big of a deal/defeating the purpose. I'm planning on buying a 40% kit for my 1.75u rshift since I have a tiny board coming in soon enough but if there'd be a one included in the Cockpit kit then that'd be really cool (I may still buy the 40% regardless, but it's nice to have options).
Post by: breckstar on Tue, 20 September 2016, 23:20:14
Maybe a 1.75u shift/novelty shift as well to cockpit? Seems like that could make it a one and done kit for a lot of people.
Actually, this is a really good idea if expanding the kit by 1-2 keys isn't that big of a deal/defeating the purpose. I'm planning on buying a 40% kit for my 1.75u rshift since I have a tiny board coming in soon enough but if there'd be a one included in the Cockpit kit then that'd be really cool (I may still buy the 40% regardless, but it's nice to have options).
Yeah because its like depending on the flavor I am feeling (65% user)
1. get cockpit + maybe 40s (depending on 1.75u status for cockpit base or really wanting those 1.5u transmit, houston, lunar and 1.75u lock) or
2. get standard alpha + novelties + 40s
Probably would pick up the 40s either way, but still would like to see the 1.75u novelty shift make it in.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 20 September 2016, 23:41:53
> Changelog:
- HYPER, META replacing CTRL, ALT on PhD;
- Color swaps on PhD;
- Included 2.75u blank on 40s for the VE.A;
- 1u CMD replaced one of the previous 1u ALT on TsaFox (we previously had 2 ALTs);
- Added 1.5u R3 ERASE to TsaFox;
- Added 7u space bar to TsaFox;
- Added a blank 2u spacebar to the Ergo von Dox.
(http://i.imgur.com/Lu2qEcw.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Fk8ZETN.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ba1b2vt.png)
Post by: jebbra on Wed, 21 September 2016, 04:30:42
Now I'm considering Tsafox just to get 1u ctrl-alt-cmd-sys to free myself from arrows :p
Post by: eddible on Wed, 21 September 2016, 11:51:09
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 21 September 2016, 12:25:05
Uniform pls.
SA Dangerzone proved to me that it works <3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/YjyZ0yZ.png?1)
SO PROUD
+1,000
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 18:27:01
It's... beautiful. I'll definitely be grabbing the Novelty set along with a 100% setup. I have slight concerns though regarding the cream color of the alphas, the color came out quite different for the Nantucket Selectric set, see chip on keychain vs actual keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ljQoOPx.jpg)
Will we have to pray for a good outcome?
I completely understand your concern and your point is very valid.
We are fine, I'm compensating the injection melting color effect with the chips we are using.
Our set won't have high contrast alpha legends nor a weird white (it's very hard to capture the real colors, WV doesn't look anything like that chip).
We will have a very vintage beige and blue, combined with a vivid light yellow and subtle gray. Just don't retrobright the set!
Post by: Oblotzky on Wed, 21 September 2016, 18:41:13
It's... beautiful. I'll definitely be grabbing the Novelty set along with a 100% setup. I have slight concerns though regarding the cream color of the alphas, the color came out quite different for the Nantucket Selectric set, see chip on keychain vs actual keys.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ljQoOPx.jpg)
Will we have to pray for a good outcome?
I completely understand your concern and your point is very valid.
We are fine, I'm compensating the injection melting color effect with the chips we are using.
Our set won't have high contrast alpha legends nor a weird white (it's very hard to capture the real colors, WV doesn't look anything like that chip).
We will have a very vintage beige and blue, combined with a vivid light yellow and subtle gray. Just don't retrobright the set!
Great! I have no more concerns for this set then and will await the GB!
Post by: yeahsure on Wed, 21 September 2016, 19:42:39
Post by: MiTo on Wed, 21 September 2016, 22:40:02
Post by: elfick on Thu, 22 September 2016, 09:25:24
While I'm definitely down for this set for my 60% but just to ask, could there be some 1.75 blanks tossed in for split space bar support on JD40/45 boards?
I'm with yeahsure. A 1.75 R3 blank would come in handy.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 22 September 2016, 09:34:54
While I'm definitely down for this set for my 60% but just to ask, could there be some 1.75 blanks tossed in for split space bar support on JD40/45 boards?
I'm with yeahsure. A 1.75 R3 blank would come in handy.
What kits are you planning to get in order to almost cover the JD (since you're short 1 x 1.75u)?
Post by: Str1pez on Thu, 22 September 2016, 09:51:34
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 22 September 2016, 09:56:43
In order to cover the secondary version of the JD40 (very specific) I'd need to add 5 x 1u R3 (on top of the 1.75u R3 blank addition) and that's way too much caps... I know it's not ideal, but for that there's the TsaFox kit.
Post by: hervuli on Thu, 22 September 2016, 10:00:50
We already cover the 6.25 space bar version of the JD40 and if I add a 1.75u then the JD45 is also covered.
In order to cover the secondary version of the JD40 (very specific) I'd need to add 5 x 1u R3 (on top of the 1.75u R3 blank addition) and that's way too much caps... I know it's not ideal, but for that there's the TsaFox kit.
As a JD40 user with that secondary layout, I'd be perfectly happy with just the additional 1.75u blank. Thank you!!
Post by: Geckt on Thu, 22 September 2016, 11:23:41
But, and chances of higher versatility?
Like 1800 adapter kits or 6U spacebar instead of the already existing 6.25U in the spacebar pack?
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 22 September 2016, 11:37:46
Wow, that's almost as many child deals as Overcast if you'd really implement dual profile for this GB.
But, and chances of higher versatility?
Like 1800 adapter kits or 6U spacebar instead of the already existing 6.25U in the spacebar pack?
Unfortunately 6u long SA space bars don't exist.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:39:04
Post by: captsis on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:58:30
Post by: sony on Thu, 22 September 2016, 19:59:41
Anyone wanna donate an alphas and tsafox to a poor student?Need some novelties too.
Post by: captsis on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:02:52
Anyone wanna donate an alphas and tsafox to a poor student?Need some novelties too.
Indeed! ;D
Now that I think of it... I could trade a 1976... maybe.
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:15:14
Hypu. I'm secretly hoping it launches tomorrow in prep for the weekend but that may be me being optimistic.
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:16:37
Hypu. I'm secretly hoping it launches tomorrow in prep for the weekend but that may be me being optimistic.
see OP
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:38:03
see OP
Awwwwwwwwwshiet.
(http://65.media.tumblr.com/89f73abceef0f9283ab72d9aefe2f432/tumblr_inline_mv6r51QKqy1r5hxbq.gif)
Post by: norbauer on Thu, 22 September 2016, 20:45:27
Post by: milchek on Thu, 22 September 2016, 22:15:47
Nice work :thumb:
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 23 September 2016, 00:25:37
Post by: wodan on Fri, 23 September 2016, 00:49:17
Post by: yeahsure on Fri, 23 September 2016, 01:13:44
While I'm definitely down for this set for my 60% but just to ask, could there be some 1.75 blanks tossed in for split space bar support on JD40/45 boards?
I'm with yeahsure. A 1.75 R3 blank would come in handy.
What kits are you planning to get in order to almost cover the JD (since you're short 1 x 1.75u)?
The 40s kit pretty much has me covered on everything except a 1.75 spacebar. But I was planning on using a novelty as a substitute if it wasn't possible to add any more keys
anyways. :thumb:
Post by: fraay on Fri, 23 September 2016, 06:30:12
Post by: xondat on Fri, 23 September 2016, 06:43:41
Can anyone confirm if the novelty set 'Hard Over' is a 1.75 R3?(http://i.imgur.com/T6Re2aN.png)
Yes it is.
Post by: fraay on Fri, 23 September 2016, 07:05:42
Yes it is.
Thanks! haha didnt think to do that
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 23 September 2016, 08:00:46
Post by: elfick on Fri, 23 September 2016, 09:40:56
While I'm definitely down for this set for my 60% but just to ask, could there be some 1.75 blanks tossed in for split space bar support on JD40/45 boards?
I'm with yeahsure. A 1.75 R3 blank would come in handy.
What kits are you planning to get in order to almost cover the JD (since you're short 1 x 1.75u)?
I wasn't sure but I see you snuck it into the 40s kit, which is perfect. Alphas, 40s, novelties, and labs will have me covered.
Thanks for getting that 1.75 R3 blank in there!
Beautiful set!
Post by: KetchyKech on Fri, 23 September 2016, 10:04:29
*wishing I had a yellow kosmo rite bout nao
Post by: phinix on Fri, 23 September 2016, 10:52:41
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 23 September 2016, 11:09:03
I wasn't sure but I see you snuck it into the 40s kit, which is perfect. Alphas, 40s, novelties, and labs will have me covered.
Thanks for getting that 1.75 R3 blank in there!
Beautiful set!
Glad you like it, enjoy the set!
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 23 September 2016, 11:10:35
Is this solarised color same as Penumbra solarised color?
Same as Carbon, which is a little less butter-like than Penumbra.
Post by: phinix on Fri, 23 September 2016, 11:13:37
Post by: punksinatra on Fri, 23 September 2016, 14:15:04
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wTG3pV3.png)
What should I order to get this setup? Cockpit and Novelty Row 1?
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 23 September 2016, 14:17:59
What should I order to get this setup? Cockpit and Novelty Row 1?
That kit is the Cockpit, it just got renamed - minus the red cluster on the top right, I assume Mito opted out of offering those as standard with the uniform set due to community feedback, those are available through the Novelties kit yep!
Edit: oh and the planet novelties on the bottom row too.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 23 September 2016, 14:24:55
Post by: OfTheWild on Fri, 23 September 2016, 14:29:19
Anyone figure out if we can just rock an Alpha, Fox, and Novelties set to build a whitefox? or do we need to add modifiers too.
Post by: jebbra on Fri, 23 September 2016, 19:41:40
Another question appeared and it about the Dox.
Why or where do you decide that particular layout? When I search about Dox layout and no one appeared like the Godspeed.
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 23 September 2016, 21:00:40
This is an absolutely gorgeous set @MiTo, thank you for putting this together! :thumb: I just ordered my set from MD, been wanting to try SA keys for quite some time now & this colorway caught my eye enough to be a instabuy for me. ;D I got one question though. I went with Solar alphas, modifiers, & the novelty kit. That will give me the more sculpted 1123433 look correct? I'm thinking that is the profile I want with this set. Although I own 3 - 60% boards, a 65% board, & a TKL, would going with the flatter 223333 Cockpit set & novelties be a better choice for me because of the boards I own? Or is it more a personal preference & either profile is compatible with any boards? Any input on that from anyone with experience with SA keys would be greatly appreciated! :thumb:
Hey Rob, thanks for the support mate!
Regarding your questions:
1) The Alphas + Modifiers + Novelties indeed look and feel more sculpted (1-1-2-3-4-3);
2) I don't believe it would be a bad or good choice for you (it's all about personal preference, really) but I personally prefer the 2-2-3-3-3-3 layout (if I were to use a SA keycap set), as I find it more confortable to type on as I explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84090.msg2242446#msg2242446);
3) Any profile is compatible with any boards, it all comes down to personal preference!
I hope you enjoy the set, good luck and godspeed pal.
Post by: MiTo on Fri, 23 September 2016, 21:03:44
irritated that the TSAFox set doesnt have the row 1 2.0u backspace needed for the "Aria" layout or the arrows we need either.
But that's because you need the modifiers or Cockpit kit as well, the TsaFox is just an addon for non-standard users not a standalone kit!
Anyone figure out if we can just rock an Alpha, Fox, and Novelties set to build a whitefox? or do we need to add modifiers too.
Alphas + TsaFox + Novelties could work, just make sure you have the proper keycaps for the navigation cluster (Home, Del - in this case Lock, Mal) etc. does that make sense?
Let me know if you require further assistance mate, I'm here to help.
Post by: Geckt on Fri, 23 September 2016, 22:46:46
L I V E (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)Doesn't matters if it has a 6U or not, I'm hopping on!
Sent from my 2013023 using Tapatalk
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sat, 24 September 2016, 00:06:20
Post by: dreadful on Sat, 24 September 2016, 01:07:01
Quick question! I really like the look of the red mod keys on the Novelty pack, but prefer the 2-2-3-3-3 layout for typing (and need to stem my haemorrhaging wallet somewhat). If I mix in some of those sculpted Novelty keys with the Cockpit kit for my TKL would the mixed profiles be problematic / really obviously look a little funky?
Not sure if this helps I asked a similar question https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525473
He said it should be fine at least in my case here's the reply I received https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525480
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sat, 24 September 2016, 01:52:40
Quick question! I really like the look of the red mod keys on the Novelty pack, but prefer the 2-2-3-3-3 layout for typing (and need to stem my haemorrhaging wallet somewhat). If I mix in some of those sculpted Novelty keys with the Cockpit kit for my TKL would the mixed profiles be problematic / really obviously look a little funky?
Not sure if this helps I asked a similar question https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525473
He said it should be fine at least in my case here's the reply I received https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525480
Ahh fantastic, thank you o Dreadful one! I was hoping it would look alright, with those keys a bit separate in location and function anyway, but it's very good to hear from the experts.
Now the only thing I need to work out is whether I'll definitely replace my TKL with a B.mini, and what this would mean for this set. Changing the keyboards would happen before the end of this year if I decide to go ahead, so I really need to make that call asap so that I make best decisions regarding this purchase.
If I do end up having the B.mini before Godspeed arrives it'll change a few things. The combination of row keys on the arrow cluster will look awesome still, as in the board in MiTo's reply to your question, but the final stack of special keys on the right hand side would look weirder with sculpted profiles in a single column than they would on a TKL. In that case it really wouldn't be worth getting the Novelty set, but I love them so much! Alternatively if I go for the sculpted profile, buying Alphas & Mods & Novelties, I'm basically buying an entire kit of Mods just for those 12 function keys.
So conflicted that novelty kits always look amazing, but are mostly made to go on that cluster of TKL keys that I never, ever use. Then if I buy a keyboard that does away with those unused keys, I miss out on using lots of pretty novelties! /firstworldproblems :(
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 24 September 2016, 08:24:10
Quick question! I really like the look of the red mod keys on the Novelty pack, but prefer the 2-2-3-3-3 layout for typing (and need to stem my haemorrhaging wallet somewhat). If I mix in some of those sculpted Novelty keys with the Cockpit kit for my TKL would the mixed profiles be problematic / really obviously look a little funky?
Not sure if this helps I asked a similar question https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525473
He said it should be fine at least in my case here's the reply I received https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525480
Ahh fantastic, thank you o Dreadful one! I was hoping it would look alright, with those keys a bit separate in location and function anyway, but it's very good to hear from the experts.
Now the only thing I need to work out is whether I'll definitely replace my TKL with a B.mini, and what this would mean for this set. Changing the keyboards would happen before the end of this year if I decide to go ahead, so I really need to make that call asap so that I make best decisions regarding this purchase.
If I do end up having the B.mini before Godspeed arrives it'll change a few things. The combination of row keys on the arrow cluster will look awesome still, as in the board in MiTo's reply to your question, but the final stack of special keys on the right hand side would look weirder with sculpted profiles in a single column than they would on a TKL. In that case it really wouldn't be worth getting the Novelty set, but I love them so much! Alternatively if I go for the sculpted profile, buying Alphas & Mods & Novelties, I'm basically buying an entire kit of Mods just for those 12 function keys.
So conflicted that novelty kits always look amazing, but are mostly made to go on that cluster of TKL keys that I never, ever use. Then if I buy a keyboard that does away with those unused keys, I miss out on using lots of pretty novelties! /firstworldproblems :(
I'm going to get some pictures of a R1 against a R2 keycap to visually display what the red R1 ROW PITCH YAW versus a R2 function row would potentially look like on a TKL keyboard, for you people that want a flat profile combined with red ROW PITCH YAW (from the Novelties). I don't have the actual labeled keycaps so you'll have to use a bit of your imagination.
A red ROW PITCH YAW would pop up a bit when assembled with the Cockpit kit, kind of ressembling the actual spacecraft high, tall and pronounced function switches that are present on the cockpit cabin. One could pretend that the keycaps are meant to be that way, as a "tribute" to the spaceshuttles. I had to make a choice and thought it would be bummer to ruin a sweet blue/beige cockpit kit with a weird out of place red cluster. So the red cluster is a bit of a "luxury" addon for 112343 users, if we can put this way. It's impossible to make everyone happy without offering literally multiple hundreds keycaps.
Like I previously said it's not ideal, but it looks okay in my personal opinion and gives the board a very unique and stylish terminal feel - it adds an odd bit of personality to the keyboard. Again, it's not ideal and there's obviously a difference. But in my perception as the designer it's a classic example of mix & match that works.
Please stand by.
Post by: punksinatra on Sat, 24 September 2016, 11:52:39
What should I order to get this setup? Cockpit and Novelty Row 1?
That kit is the Cockpit, it just got renamed - minus the red cluster on the top right, I assume Mito opted out of offering those as standard with the uniform set due to community feedback, those are available through the Novelties kit yep!
Edit: oh and the planet novelties on the bottom row too.
Ei thanks :thumb: So the cockpit set is the full TKL layout and since I want the extra modifiers including the red buttons I should buy with the novelties correct?
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 24 September 2016, 12:18:50
Ei thanks :thumb: So the cockpit set is the full TKL layout and since I want the extra modifiers including the red buttons I should buy with the novelties correct?
Yes, but like I said the "red buttons" aren't an exact match for the Cockpit kit. The "row of buttons" on the Cockpit kit is bit taller than the "red buttons" from the Novelties, so although they work together it's entirely up to personal preference.
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sat, 24 September 2016, 15:19:18
Quick question! I really like the look of the red mod keys on the Novelty pack, but prefer the 2-2-3-3-3 layout for typing (and need to stem my haemorrhaging wallet somewhat). If I mix in some of those sculpted Novelty keys with the Cockpit kit for my TKL would the mixed profiles be problematic / really obviously look a little funky?
Not sure if this helps I asked a similar question https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525473
He said it should be fine at least in my case here's the reply I received https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set/talk/525480
Ahh fantastic, thank you o Dreadful one! I was hoping it would look alright, with those keys a bit separate in location and function anyway, but it's very good to hear from the experts.
Now the only thing I need to work out is whether I'll definitely replace my TKL with a B.mini, and what this would mean for this set. Changing the keyboards would happen before the end of this year if I decide to go ahead, so I really need to make that call asap so that I make best decisions regarding this purchase.
If I do end up having the B.mini before Godspeed arrives it'll change a few things. The combination of row keys on the arrow cluster will look awesome still, as in the board in MiTo's reply to your question, but the final stack of special keys on the right hand side would look weirder with sculpted profiles in a single column than they would on a TKL. In that case it really wouldn't be worth getting the Novelty set, but I love them so much! Alternatively if I go for the sculpted profile, buying Alphas & Mods & Novelties, I'm basically buying an entire kit of Mods just for those 12 function keys.
So conflicted that novelty kits always look amazing, but are mostly made to go on that cluster of TKL keys that I never, ever use. Then if I buy a keyboard that does away with those unused keys, I miss out on using lots of pretty novelties! /firstworldproblems :(
I'm going to get some pictures of a R1 against a R2 keycap to visually display what the red R1 ROW PITCH YAW versus a R2 function row would potentially look like on a TKL keyboard, for you people that want a flat profile combined with red ROW PITCH YAW (from the Novelties). I don't have the actual labeled keycaps so you'll have to use a bit of your imagination.
A red ROW PITCH YAW would pop up a bit when assembled with the Cockpit kit, kind of ressembling the actual spacecraft high, tall and pronounced function switches that are present on the cockpit cabin. One could pretend that the keycaps are meant to be that way, as a "tribute" to the spaceshuttles. I had to make a choice and thought it would be bummer to ruin a sweet blue/beige cockpit kit with a weird out of place red cluster. So the red cluster is a bit of a "luxury" addon for 112343 users, if we can put this way. It's impossible to make everyone happy without offering literally multiple hundreds keycaps.
Like I previously said it's not ideal, but it looks okay in my personal opinion and gives the board a very unique and stylish terminal feel - it adds an odd bit of personality to the keyboard. Again, it's not ideal and there's obviously a difference. But in my perception as the designer it's a classic example of mix & match that works.
Please stand by.
I understand what you mean with the decisions you've had to make re. inclusion of various key colours for different kits, and rather like the sound of this; the taller red switches grouped together would look good and physically stand out beside the flatter alphanumerics. I think I'm going to get Cockpit, Novelties, and 40s (impending Minivan), so have different options for various future boards. If I could I'd grab one of everything though, or at least add in Alphas, Mods, and Calculus just in case I do end up with a Lightsaver or similar in the future! Dangggg that would look epic....
ETA: Just added Calculus too. Good thinking, me.
Post by: Chicken Chaser on Sat, 24 September 2016, 16:04:57
1. Sculpted set
- Solar Alphas ($39.99)
- Novelty Set ($49.99) (these can be interchanged with the Modifier set to complete a TKL/fullsize build?)
- Calculus Set ($29.99)
Subtotal: $119.99 before tax/shipping
2. Cockpit Set
- Cockpit Set ($88.99) (comes with Novelty modifiers and yellow keys, but not the red/green keys)
- Calculus Set ($29.99) (profile won't match?)
Subtotal: $118.98 before tax/shipping
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Sat, 24 September 2016, 16:11:24
I want to get a set to fit my full-size keyboard. I also want the red and yellow caps too. So let me get this straight... My options are:
1. Sculpted set
- Solar Alphas ($39.99)
- Novelty Set ($49.99) (these can be interchanged with the Modifier set to complete a TKL/fullsize build?)
- Calculus Set ($29.99)
Subtotal: $119.99 before tax/shipping
2. Cockpit Set
- Cockpit Set ($88.99) (comes with Novelty modifiers and yellow keys, but not the red/green keys)
- Calculus Set ($29.99) (profile won't match?)
Subtotal: $118.98 before tax/shipping
Yup, both those options will fill your full-size board. :thumb:
Post by: Chicken Chaser on Sat, 24 September 2016, 16:38:16
1. Previous daily driver had Cherry profile alphas + SP profile modifiers, so I was used to having angled keys on the modifiers. Currently typing on OEM profile which I don't mind.
2. I have the Retro DSA set from years ago--interesting set, but I didn't like the uniform feel for daily use.
3. I usually type with the tips of my fingers, angled/curled.
What's the issue with R4 being sculpted? Does it affect only a certain group of people who type a certain way?
Post by: punksinatra on Sat, 24 September 2016, 17:24:10
Ei thanks :thumb: So the cockpit set is the full TKL layout and since I want the extra modifiers including the red buttons I should buy with the novelties correct?
Yes, but like I said the "red buttons" aren't an exact match for the Cockpit kit. The "row of buttons" on the Cockpit kit is bit taller than the "red buttons" from the Novelties, so although they work together it's entirely up to personal preference.
Thanks Mito let me decide on this first. Very nice set indeed ;D :thumb:
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 25 September 2016, 05:33:18
I want to get a set to fit my full-size keyboard. I also want the red and yellow caps too. So let me get this straight... My options are:
1. Sculpted set
- Solar Alphas ($39.99)
- Novelty Set ($49.99) (these can be interchanged with the Modifier set to complete a TKL/fullsize build?)
- Calculus Set ($29.99)
Subtotal: $119.99 before tax/shipping
2. Cockpit Set
- Cockpit Set ($88.99) (comes with Novelty modifiers and yellow keys, but not the red/green keys)
- Calculus Set ($29.99) (profile won't match?)
Subtotal: $118.98 before tax/shipping
Yup, both those options will fill your full-size board. :thumb:
With option 1 you still need Modifier kit to get the F row if you wanna fill TKL/Fullsize. But you are good to go up to fullsize with option 2.
Post by: punksinatra on Sun, 25 September 2016, 10:02:24
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 25 September 2016, 11:05:07
Hope the cockpit set gets unlocked to $69.99 so I can have enough for the novelties :(
It will absolutely be unlocked (it probably already is at this point, the numbers will be updated soon).
Post by: jebbra on Sun, 25 September 2016, 11:38:50
Extraterrestrial's knowldge I believe.
Post by: Bluestrike2 on Sun, 25 September 2016, 14:18:38
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 25 September 2016, 16:49:27
Ei thanks :thumb: So the cockpit set is the full TKL layout and since I want the extra modifiers including the red buttons I should buy with the novelties correct?
Yes, but like I said the "red buttons" aren't an exact match for the Cockpit kit. The "row of buttons" on the Cockpit kit is bit taller than the "red buttons" from the Novelties, so although they work together it's entirely up to personal preference.
Thanks Mito let me decide on this first. Very nice set indeed ;D :thumb:
You're welcome, let me know if you require more thelp bud!
Post by: punksinatra on Sun, 25 September 2016, 18:50:33
Hope the cockpit set gets unlocked to $69.99 so I can have enough for the novelties :(
It will absolutely be unlocked (it probably already is at this point, the numbers will be updated soon).
Will wait for the next update need to manage my finances :D
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 25 September 2016, 22:30:12
Kudos to you Sir for making key-cap purchasing that much easier. Not all of us have the Geekhack experience to know what to buy hence thanks for making it a lot easier.
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 27 September 2016, 20:22:51
Will wait for the next update need to manage my finances :D
As you wish, the table (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/godspeed-custom-sa-keycap-set) has been updated yesterday sir.
Post by: PriusProblems on Wed, 28 September 2016, 13:56:25
Post by: eodomo on Wed, 28 September 2016, 18:42:58
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 29 September 2016, 10:58:49
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 29 September 2016, 11:07:15
Does anybody have interest in lunar space bars?
I'm very interested but you knew that already!
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 29 September 2016, 15:49:14
I'm very interested but you knew that already!
We have a 7u lunar now, although not a standalone kit.
Post by: Rob27shred on Fri, 30 September 2016, 14:59:15
This is an absolutely gorgeous set @MiTo, thank you for putting this together! :thumb: I just ordered my set from MD, been wanting to try SA keys for quite some time now & this colorway caught my eye enough to be a instabuy for me. ;D I got one question though. I went with Solar alphas, modifiers, & the novelty kit. That will give me the more sculpted 1123433 look correct? I'm thinking that is the profile I want with this set. Although I own 3 - 60% boards, a 65% board, & a TKL, would going with the flatter 223333 Cockpit set & novelties be a better choice for me because of the boards I own? Or is it more a personal preference & either profile is compatible with any boards? Any input on that from anyone with experience with SA keys would be greatly appreciated! :thumb:
Hey Rob, thanks for the support mate!
Regarding your questions:
1) The Alphas + Modifiers + Novelties indeed look and feel more sculpted (1-1-2-3-4-3);
2) I don't believe it would be a bad or good choice for you (it's all about personal preference, really) but I personally prefer the 2-2-3-3-3-3 layout (if I were to use a SA keycap set), as I find it more confortable to type on as I explained here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84090.msg2242446#msg2242446);
3) Any profile is compatible with any boards, it all comes down to personal preference!
I hope you enjoy the set, good luck and godspeed pal.
Thanks for the reply & link :thumb: Haven't been on GH in a few days to see it. I did end up keeping the more sculpted 1-1-2-3-4-3 since the sculpted look appeals to me more visually than the 2-2-3-3-3-3. Although admittedly 2-2-3-3-3-3 does make more sense for everyday use, I figure if I'm gonna try SA might as well go with the sculpted look it is known for. Pretty pumped for this set after finally settling on what I wanted! ;D
Post by: _cramil on Fri, 30 September 2016, 20:20:36
Does anybody have interest in lunar space bars?
I'm interested! 6.25u!
Post by: Purp on Tue, 04 October 2016, 10:57:41
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 04 October 2016, 16:40:04
Post by: MiTo on Sat, 08 October 2016, 16:28:10
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Sun, 09 October 2016, 03:48:17
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 09 October 2016, 17:16:45
Joined!! Solar alphas + Mods + Novelites + PhD Planck + 40s + Calculus. Of course I'm last minute. ;)
Thanks for the support pal, hope you enjoy the caps!
Post by: _cramil on Sun, 09 October 2016, 20:58:03
Post by: MiTo on Sun, 09 October 2016, 21:52:19
Joined! Solaris, Modifiers, Novelties & TSAFOX. Was kinda thinking the Labs too but we'll see if some are avail after they ship. Thanks!
Thank you for the support mate! Hope you enjoy the caps. :thumb:
Post by: milchek on Tue, 11 October 2016, 00:55:11
Given there were what, nearly 3000 kits sold? I take it aftermarket purchase should be a lot easier at least :))
Post by: Hypocaffeinic on Tue, 11 October 2016, 04:13:15
Post by: Dominathan on Tue, 11 October 2016, 05:04:44
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 11 October 2016, 06:36:23
In the end I couldn't decide on which sets to get for which board (don't have a project or upcoming kit that could decide on) so I missed out.
Given there were what, nearly 3000 kits sold? I take it aftermarket purchase should be a lot easier at least :))
We sold multiple thousands of kits and had a little over 4,000 participants (if that helps), bummer that you missed out... Good luck in the aftermarket!
Post by: MiTo on Tue, 11 October 2016, 06:37:27
Three thousand. Phenomenal. Congratulations, MiTo! ;D
I've been on such an Apollo kick lately... I HAD to get these. Novelties, Cockpit, and the Ergodox. Gonna feel like I'm going to the moon everyday at my desk
Thanks a lot for the support, Cadets!
We had a fantastic run, hope you enjoy the set and have fun with it!
Post by: Vigrith on Tue, 11 October 2016, 12:57:09
Thanks a lot for the support, Cadets!
We had a fantastic run, hope you enjoy the set and have fun with it!
Insane numbers you pulled, Mito, congratulations. I'm very happy the set saw the success it deserved!
Now I shall patiently lurk until you have news about Lazer. :blank:
Post by: MiTo on Thu, 13 October 2016, 06:44:06
Thanks a lot for the support, Cadets!
We had a fantastic run, hope you enjoy the set and have fun with it!
Insane numbers you pulled, Mito, congratulations. I'm very happy the set saw the success it deserved!
Now I shall patiently lurk until you have news about Lazer. :blank:
I will make sure to post about it here, now my focus is definitely on that project!
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 13 October 2016, 10:29:49
I will make sure to post about it here, now my focus is definitely on that project!
Yeee, that's awesome, definitely my favourite "in the works" set right now! Also great job with the Infinity keyset, hoping I can somehow manage to get in on that drop too before it ends.
Post by: Locnguyen1507 on Fri, 06 January 2017, 04:33:59
Post by: Oblotzky on Fri, 06 January 2017, 04:43:46
Any update up to now guys?
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Expect another update from us on 1/11 or sooner if something comes up.
Looks like its on track.
Post by: chuckdee on Fri, 06 January 2017, 06:31:29
Any update up to now guys?
Updates are now in the hands of Massdrop. This IC is rather obsolete, which is why he replaced the OP. The GB has been run on MD, and it is in their hands.
Godspeed!
Post by: owacle on Sun, 26 February 2017, 23:29:29