[IC] En Dash – Old Meets New

[would?]

En Dash – Old Meets New





Hey Geeks, I feel like I should introduce myself as this is my first project. I am Would, Australia based graphic designer specialising in type design. I make fonts, and love frying my eyes from staring at a computer screen for too long. Let's get into the business end of this project:

This board is a revival of one of the much loved kustoms - the OTD 360C. Similar aesthetic, build and mounting style but i believe i have changed enough to take it well out of clone territory. While it does draw heavily from the original source I believe that the changes i have made are enough to make it my own. Shifting proportions and updating internals while offering more flexibility in layout. The plate has different mounting points but has all of the Korean flex/consistency cutouts as after all, people do crave the typing experience of a Kustom for a reason. More or less its designed to look and feel like a Kustom that has been given a breath of fresh air. The En Dash is built to fit Hiney's H88 PCB but will not be released with a plate that has as flexible layout choices.


Details

I do already have a prototype in hand. Sadly the quality of the manufacturing left a lot to be desired and I am not comfortable leaving the full run in their hands. I am waiting to hear back on a couple more quotes before i continue with another factory.

Layout: TKL with F13 – Please note this will be available as WKL ONLY to keep things a bit simpler for my sake as a first timer.
Made from Aluminium 6061/6063 (tbd based on final factory) and brass.
Brass will be sandblasted matte and left uncoated to patina – this is my preference when it comes to brass.
H88 Hiney PCB
Prototype has a fixed plate, GB version will have a plate that supports stepped caps, split r-shift and split backspace.
8 degree typing angle
Built weight: 2.5 – 2.8kg
Colours: TBD
Price: TBD
GB DATE: TBD






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Latest Updates

31/08/2019
I feel the need to add this comment from later in the thread here.

Hello my friends. This thread has taken a bit of a different direction to what i had hoped. Thank you to those of you that have discussed the topic of whether or not this is clone with cooler heads, whether you are agree or not.

I would like to take a moment to lay out the differences because i think this project is being looked at in the wrong way. I also don't want to become "the clone guy". Perhaps it's my fault for explaining the origins of the project and made the connection too easy to make for those that can only put one thing in the context of another. Im not saying this design is pushing the boundaries of keyboard design: its a two piece, top mount TKL after all.

Mounting
Its a top mount TKL right? I urge you to take a look at any top mounted board you own. This is one of the more "set in stone" things in design in my opinion especially in a top mount. The way my design differs from the 360C is:

• extra mounting point to be a bit more consistent across the whole board
• Different screw placement that prioritises support around alphas and corners

What has this achieved? The prototype feels very good to type on. Flex is consistent and enjoyable. Is it different enough from the 360C? No less than any other top mount TKL in my opinion.




Plate Design
Do keep in ming this is the prototype plate, you'll just have to imagine the layout support. How is this different from the 360C?

• I'll start with an obvious one: its a different layout. F13 means modified flex cutouts around that top portion
• The flex cutouts look the same. Yes because they're flex cut outs at every opportunity

Side profile
How many times has this side profile been iterated on?



Does that make every two piece board with a flat back and a straight cut out a clone of the first one? Here is a comparison of 360C to En Dash. I would say the 360C is significantly more angular while the curve of the En Dash is more soft and sweeping.




Weight
Yep, it's a rectangle. Heres how my brick of brass is different:

• the inside is significantly bigger - Why? more surface area of brass inside to improve acoustics as well as provide a little more heft
• Mounts from the inside for a hidden assembly

I hope this is enough for you sticklers out there. I only ask that rather than getting stuck on the similarities, you look at the differences. A thin bezelled two piece design will look a certain way especially if it's a revival of an old design. If you think it is still too close you are welcome to not support the project.

29/08/2019
Added some additional specs to the description.

27/08/2019
First prototype is in hand – so why arent we in GB already?
WELL I have had some pretty significant issues with manufacturing quality across every piece of my prototype. I want to make sure i only put out something that lives up to this board's inspiration and my standards of what a high end TKL should be. I will not sacrifice the quality of this product and I am currently getting quotes from a few other factories.



Ask me any questions you may have about the project. I love chatting about design but I would prefer to keep all discussion about this design archived here for everyone to see — I am contactable here or on Discord at would#3131

[toastyAU]

our boy :would: is making it big!! super proud of the board mate, looks so stunning, everyone's gonna love this ****

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[Furikurichemy]

All In

[Agilr]

NEED

Looking forward to the GB!

[goddream]

hot

[Kingk22]

En-Nut

[dangboy]

dang, boy

[gMit]

In for GB

[srxl]

ayyy, we in ic now! gratz would, definitely gonna be picking up one of these

[EMC Labs]

Count me in! 

[japanesehorrorwriter]

Wow. I would buy the f*ck out of this one. Nice work.

[pikku-allu]

Absolutely stunning! Love the logo as well.

[h.parks]

let's get this joke out of the way:

full-size em dash when 

[Nigolski]

interested

[wholypantalones]

Yes please.

[snelltrail]

I'm still waiting for the -ut numpad 

[pr0ximity]

Would be interested to see pictures of the plate, I'm curious what changes you've made to the mounting points.

What other changes (aside from the F13) did you make to update the internals? Bezels look a little relaxed on the sides, a chamfer instead of fillet?

[pr0ximity]

Found some: https://www.flickr.com/photos/183512946@N03/48549127507/in/dateposted/

Even more curious about the "modernization" of the internals now -- it doesn't seem to have more modern conveniences like alignment tabs for the top/bottom, and has a large gap between the case screws.

The mounting points look like they would stiffen the typing feel rather than modernizing it. They are less evenly spaced than the original (https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2948/15473988795_e3bbacad8b_h.jpg) and there are more of them (8 vs the original 7).

[LXVRGS]

In for sweet sweet patina

[would?]

Would be interested to see pictures of the plate, I'm curious what changes you've made to the mounting points.

What other changes (aside from the F13) did you make to update the internals? Bezels look a little relaxed on the sides, a chamfer instead of fillet?

Ahh yes this is the photo i was in the process of linking you.
This is about as much as I'm willing to share for the moment. Mounting points are a little more stable in corners and prioritise the alphas a little more, weight is significantly bigger internally to provide more density, screw sizes are larger for a stronger build. This first prototype is missing a couple of features (such as tabs)

When it comes to breaking down what truly differentiates TKLs i believe my changes throughout the entire design process are enough for the En Dash to stand on it's own. My intentions here are not to make a clone by any means. If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

[SixtyLife]

nice.. interested. what does en-dash mean?

[KalosZen]

Pls be in my budget, pls be in my budget, pls be in my budget

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[Puddsy]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

[nguyenhimself]

>This board is a revival of one of the much loved kustoms - the OTD 360C. Similar aesthetic, build and mounting style but specifically not a clone.
>While it does draw heavily from the original source I believe that the changes i have made are enough to make it my own.

Eh not really enough, no.
It's a clone.

[bisoromi]

Looks great

[pr0ximity]

If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design 

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍

[jimboytacos]

Somehow I'm not in love with the logo tho...

[Relive]

Clean design, very bold but simple. I love it! Any plans to do a sub-TKL?

[Mcnos]

That's a hot boi

[would?]

If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design 

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍

My apologies if i jumped a little quickly to being defensive. Thank you for your interest in the design. I do realise this project is ambitious for a first timer but im hoping to put out a product that can match my claims!

[premise_]

Gl on the ic would. Hope you sort out manu issues.

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[Auxo]

If you really want to be reductive about the design changes by listing them one by one thats fine, but even the prototype i have in hand feels quite nice to use.

Not trying to be reductive, just looking to know why you made the design decisions you did. Your post talks a big game, and I'm quite interested in the minutae of plate, case, and mounting design 

Also surely you must realize that claiming to base your board on such a high-profile design might incite some skepticism? You're basically aiming as high as you possibly could, with, afaik, not much of an established reputation. My critique and questions are pretty par for the course for someone out of the blue claiming they've improved the Corsa.

Good luck 👍

My apologies if i jumped a little quickly to being defensive. Thank you for your interest in the design. I do realise this project is ambitious for a first timer but im hoping to put out a product that can match my claims!

I mean, the inclusion of the F13 key is already tits, only the Matrix 8XV1.X, DK Saver, & Jane V2 CE (I think those are the only 3 boards) have that in common, and those are big boi boards.

Good luck, I am very much interested in following this project!!

[clasicks]

"En Dash – Modernising Kustoms"

what does modernising mean in this instance? seems like a nice top mount tkl

[Nevermore012]

can i ask a question? what mounting of this key board? is it top plate? look sweet 

[gMit]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

[_rubik]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

You do know this is Puddsy, yeah? That curmudgeon is satisfied by dissatisfaction

Edit: <3 u puds

[switchnollie]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️

[Relive]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️

Unless you are Gray Studios

[Luciqueii]

Looks clean and awesome good luck would! 

[KingOfMemes]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same 🕵️‍♂️

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

[nguyenhimself]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

[KingOfMemes]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

[nguyenhimself]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

[KingOfMemes]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

You're joking, but you'd be kidding yourself to think that people wouldn't buy the hell out of that if everything was the same as R1 besides the OG designer. We can go back and forth talking about pseudo ethics, but people with the means to do things like copy limit works should do it and shut one of us up with the results. Until then, everything is just banter... but I guess we can find out with the end result from the En-Dash

[hineybush]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

good strawman, useless addition but ok lol

yea a lot of the TKLs look the same, because they are all pretty much the same given layout and function. there are only so many ways to design a rectangle with the same switch layout, especially when the custom TKL aesthetic has been refined as much as it has been. so many kustom-inspired TKLs looking the same is literally the point of them. as many makers are moving towards lower-quantity runs, having lots of low-quantity TKLs that are relatively similar is better than not having any at all. if you'd prefer to have TKLs that do not look similar, feel free to design them yourself and do your own buys

i endorse this, i like seeing new designers making stuff. especially when said stuff uses my PCBs

[duckboi]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

hurts me to say it but i agree with mr pudds

i think you did well with the externals but talking up the internals when that plate design is nothing new is a little odd to me

[Puddsy]

for the record

1) i agree with hiney

2) where did i say it was bad?

[wholypantalones]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Cool. Oh please wait as I go and make an IC thread for GMK Olivia R2 without checking with the OG designer then. The market demand is HUGE I tell you. HUGE!

n e alpha colored spacebars avail in the base kit?

[mrkantz]

I would really like to buy this keyboard that looks like a keyboard. I dig the logo, nice work OP!

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[ryou965]

I WOULD like to get one

okok sorry lmao

[vicissitude]

interested.

[vidoardes]

Getting back to the interest check, is there any info on colours or layouts that will be available?

[NRbigfoot]

Getting back to the interest check, is there any info on colours or layouts that will be available?

From the op: WKL only, GB version will have a plate that supports stepped caps, split r-shift and split backspace.

[would?]

Getting back to the interest check, is there any info on colours or layouts that will be available?

As mentioned in the main post I'm currently waiting on some quotes from a few more manufacturers. I can't give dates quite yet but will certainly update here when its decided. It's safe to assume there'll be silver and another colour.

[_rubik]

I recognize that there is a holy-morality-war and maybe some gatekeeping going on in this thread.... BUT I do agree with the sentiment that, should this board his a lower price point (lower to mid 300s), this board will give many in the community the opportunity to simply consider buying their grail board (or at least a high quality clone).

Keep it simple. Keep it honest. It's a clone, but I think that's actually a good thing. Demand is high, so why not supply?

Nice work OP, I'll be waiting for more info once you hear back from manufacturing.

[Chemos]

Very interested, would love to see a burgundy or a light blue

[KingOfMemes]

I recognize that there is a holy-morality-war and maybe some gatekeeping going on in this thread.... BUT I do agree with the sentiment that, should this board his a lower price point (lower to mid 300s), this board will give many in the community the opportunity to simply consider buying their grail board (or at least a high quality clone).

Keep it simple. Keep it honest. It's a clone, but I think that's actually a good thing. Demand is high, so why not supply?

Nice work OP, I'll be waiting for more info once you hear back from manufacturing.

Amen to this. I find it hilarious that a lot of people with their moral high ground about copying designs also get upset with reselling high end limited boards ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[LubedNReady]

but....but...now jane/OTD resell prices are going to go down? how is a guy supposed to make a buck flipping limited customs when everyone has one?




seriously tho - i'm interested. hope you're able to find a good factory because im already saving up for shipping costs.

[badboy731]

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Thank you for this. Nailed it.

[spyruf]

Getting back to the interest check, is there any info on colours or layouts that will be available?

As mentioned in the main post I'm currently waiting on some quotes from a few more manufacturers. I can't give dates quite yet but will certainly update here when its decided. It's safe to assume there'll be silver and another colour.

Silver is something I'd be interested in.

[Puddsy]

but....but...now jane/OTD resell prices are going to go down? how is a guy supposed to make a buck flipping limited customs when everyone has one?




seriously tho - i'm interested. hope you're able to find a good factory because im already saving up for shipping costs.

they won't go down

[_rubik]

but....but...now jane/OTD resell prices are going to go down? how is a guy supposed to make a buck flipping limited customs when everyone has one?




seriously tho - i'm interested. hope you're able to find a good factory because im already saving up for shipping costs.

they won't go down

Puddsy is right. Jane's et al. will always be coveted and always be considered top of the line.

[_rubik]

I recognize that there is a holy-morality-war and maybe some gatekeeping going on in this thread.... BUT I do agree with the sentiment that, should this board his a lower price point (lower to mid 300s), this board will give many in the community the opportunity to simply consider buying their grail board (or at least a high quality clone).

Keep it simple. Keep it honest. It's a clone, but I think that's actually a good thing. Demand is high, so why not supply?

Nice work OP, I'll be waiting for more info once you hear back from manufacturing.

Amen to this. I find it hilarious that a lot of people with their moral high ground about copying designs also get upset with reselling high end limited boards ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

As long as we call em' like we see em', and are honest about what we, as a community, consider "iteration" and "innovation".

If anything, these similar TKLs will put pressure on designers to chase after the new, next-big-thing or high clout item.

That said, I do recognize the harm in blatant rip-offs. Thankfully, this board (in my opinion) isn't one.

OP, I'm all done feeding into this conversation; had to get my 2c out there -- on with the IC!

[would?]

Hello my friends. This thread has taken a bit of a different direction to what i had hoped. Thank you to those of you that have discussed the topic of whether or not this is clone with cooler heads, whether you are agree or not.

I would like to take a moment to lay out the differences because i think this project is being looked at in the wrong way. I also don't want to become "the clone guy". Perhaps it's my fault for explaining the origins of the project and made the connection too easy to make for those that can only put one thing in the context of another. Im not saying this design is pushing the boundaries of keyboard design: its a two piece, top mount TKL after all.

Mounting
Its a top mount TKL right? I urge you to take a look at any top mounted board you own. This is one of the more "set in stone" things in design in my opinion especially in a top mount. The way my design differs from the 360C is:

• extra mounting point to be a bit more consistent across the whole board
• Different screw placement that prioritises support around alphas and corners

What has this achieved? The prototype feels very good to type on. Flex is consistent and enjoyable. Is it different enough from the 360C? No less than any other top mount TKL in my opinion.




Plate Design
Do keep in ming this is the prototype plate, you'll just have to imagine the layout support. How is this different from the 360C?

• I'll start with an obvious one: its a different layout. F13 means modified flex cutouts around that top portion
• The flex cutouts look the same. Yes because they're flex cut outs at every opportunity

Side profile
How many times has this side profile been iterated on?



Does that make every two piece board with a flat back and a straight cut out a clone of the first one? Here is a comparison of 360C to En Dash. I would say the 360C is significantly more angular while the curve of the En Dash is more soft and sweeping.




Weight
Yep, it's a rectangle. Heres how my brick of brass is different:

• the inside is significantly bigger - Why? more surface area of brass inside to improve acoustics as well as provide a little more heft
• Mounts from the inside for a hidden assembly

I hope this is enough for you sticklers out there. I only ask that rather than getting stuck on the similarities, you look at the differences. A thin bezelled two piece design will look a certain way especially if it's a revival of an old design. If you think it is still too close you are welcome to not support the project.

[Puddsy]

not to **** on your parade but the side looks exactly the same to me

it's not a clone, it just feels like an uninspired design that isn't super unique

like, the plate mounting is basically the same as a corsa, but with an extra mounting point on each side

that doesn't make it bad, just easy to say "hey, this is basically a clone"

[bthezebra]

Looks cool!

[illusixn]

not to **** on your parade but the side looks exactly the same to me

lol

[_rubik]

OP -- I'm happy to see that you're both hearing people's concerns but defending your choices. I'm in, so long as the price is right.

[EMC Labs]

I'm in also, if the price is reasonable.

Don't know what Puddsy is rambling on about...

[Puddsy]

I'm in also, if the price is reasonable.

Don't know what Puddsy is rambling on about...

basically nothing, i'm mostly just annoyed that OP made a long post that doesn't answer any questions that i've seen kicking around various discords and slacks

but there's more effort in this IC than i've seen in a lot of other ones lately, i just don't think the board is particularly interesting

[would?]

I'm in also, if the price is reasonable.

Don't know what Puddsy is rambling on about...

basically nothing, i'm mostly just annoyed that OP made a long post that doesn't answer any questions that i've seen kicking around various discords and slacks

but there's more effort in this IC than i've seen in a lot of other ones lately, i just don't think the board is particularly interesting

I can't respond to any questions I haven't seen my friend. What is it that people are asking in these discords and slacks?

[Puddsy]

I'm in also, if the price is reasonable.

Don't know what Puddsy is rambling on about...

basically nothing, i'm mostly just annoyed that OP made a long post that doesn't answer any questions that i've seen kicking around various discords and slacks

but there's more effort in this IC than i've seen in a lot of other ones lately, i just don't think the board is particularly interesting

I can't respond to any questions I haven't seen my friend. What is it that people are asking in these discords and slacks?

fair point

mostly just a lot of riffing that OTDs aren't that great

i'll see if any of them are actually worth addressing and make another post if they are

[would?]

I'm in also, if the price is reasonable.

Don't know what Puddsy is rambling on about...

basically nothing, i'm mostly just annoyed that OP made a long post that doesn't answer any questions that i've seen kicking around various discords and slacks

but there's more effort in this IC than i've seen in a lot of other ones lately, i just don't think the board is particularly interesting

I can't respond to any questions I haven't seen my friend. What is it that people are asking in these discords and slacks?

fair point

mostly just a lot of riffing that OTDs aren't that great

i'll see if any of them are actually worth addressing and make another post if they are

Well hopefully my version will be enough to take a not-so-great board to something people enjoy even more. More than happy to address anything that comes up.

[Puddsy]

aight so i asked around to see if anyone had anything of value to add, the consensus seems to be "it's a corsa with an f13"

so, good, but not the most inspired design we've seen in a while

but classic tkls will always be run so there's no need for me to really keep going on about it

if anyone wants to call it lazy, why haven't you done it yourself?

glwic/gb

[Puddsy]

aight so i asked around to see if anyone had anything of value to add, the consensus seems to be "it's a corsa with an f13"

so, good, but not the most inspired design we've seen in a while

but classic tkls will always be run so there's no need for me to really keep going on about it

if anyone wants to call it lazy, why haven't you done it yourself?

glwic/gb

and if anyone wants to discuss why i think OTDs aren't the design to follow, y'all know how to get in touch with me

i don't feel like ****ting up this thread anymore

[clasicks]

nice

[adxlk]

Do a mashup, why stick to 360c

LZ SE sides
LZ RE grill
DK Saver f13
Corsa internals/dimensions

[would?]

Do a mashup, why stick to 360c

LZ SE sides
LZ RE grill
DK Saver f13
Corsa internals/dimensions

Perhaps that’s one for you to do

[Lil]

Puds *****s everywhere* >says 'I don't want to **** anymore'[thread]

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[Yeoh]

Other boards have been dismissed by the community for being much less of a blatant copy.

Good luck with your clone.

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Thank you for this. Nailed it.

"If its a highly desired item and I cant get one, its ok to copy it."

You're entitled to your opinion, but you do realize how trashy it is though right?

[Puddsy]

for the record i have the corsa file but was politely asked not to run it (and frankly don't care enough to run it in the first place)

so this is the closest thing you'll get to a corsa

consider it puddsy approved

[EMC Labs]

for the record i have the corsa file but was politely asked not to run it (and frankly don't care enough to run it in the first place)

so this is the closest thing you'll get to a corsa

consider it puddsy approved

 

[Lunarpie]

Interested! (If I can afford it)

[whitty]

Other boards have been dismissed by the community for being much less of a blatant copy.

Good luck with your clone.

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Thank you for this. Nailed it.

"If its a highly desired item and I cant get one, its ok to copy it."

You're entitled to your opinion, but you do realize how trashy it is though right?

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[wholypantalones]

[Ashardalon]

I can certainly get on board with this.

[Jedi]

So long as by Old Meets New that the OP can hopefully find a supplier that can attain the quality control to value this board a worthy competitor.  To be continued, lets give OP the benefit of proving (to himself and those of us interested in this IC) that a manu comes in with the quality on point. 

[KingOfMemes]

Other boards have been dismissed by the community for being much less of a blatant copy.

Good luck with your clone.

>modernizing kustoms

>just a jane clone

your marketing is cheesy but the board seems nice

Are you ever satisfied with anything?

he ain't wrong, these kustoms all look the same

Is that a bad thing when they all look clean af? I'm down for an OTD clone that is actually obtainable lol

If you‘re OK with supporting a lazy GB by someone who doesn’t want to create his own designs and would rather copying someone else’s homework, sure.
I know OP claimed to change the internals. I’m saying that’s not enough “changes”.
It’s a clone. Except it’s not sold on Taobao, so it’s A-OK /s

Until that someone else's work gets readily and easily accessible to me (or I guess anyone), then yeah, I'm cool supporting someone else 'copying homework'. If the OG designer really wants to stick it me, this designer copying, or anyone else, they should release the product in an equally or more accessible way.

Thank you for this. Nailed it.

"If its a highly desired item and I cant get one, its ok to copy it."

You're entitled to your opinion, but you do realize how trashy it is though right?

And this board will be dismissed and not bought or supported by the community then... Or enough people will want a clone because they can't get the OG. Capitalism has a way for working this stuff out. OP isn't cloning tofu's lol

[_rubik]

I say we take this discussion on the morality of clones/similar boards to another thread.

OP is trying to run an actual IC for his board that he clearly put thought and effort into. Let's not clog up the works here with our opinions on what's right, wrong, or otherwise morally ambiuous.

[julianquack]

I'm definitely interested in this and would die to own one. I think its definitely fine to draw inspiration on a product that is so successful. In this case, the design of the OTD 360C is already so perfect, so the fact that you could implement new changes to the board is something that people are understating. I love it, good luck with the group buy!

[Puddsy]

the design of the OTD 360C is already so perfect

found the person who has never used or owned a corsa

[itunesacc]

I’ll definitely joining if you have E-white color

[2QT2BSTR8]

I’ll definitely joining if you have E-white color

+1, but I'm pretty sure would said it would be very unlikely.

[hansikhouse]

There are some differences, there are some similarities. You can take them into account and individually decide whether this infringes on your personal moral compass concerning keyboard innovation. To me, it looks nice and it's great to see new creatives offering a well-done kit that isn't easily accessible.

GLWB Would, congrats on what looks like a great first production. I'm also a designer that wants to eventually take a stab at producing a kustom-level custom, so I hope this works out for you!

[Adelscott]

Make it WK + ISO and I'm in !

[Nigolski]

Make it WK + ISO and I'm in !

nah

[Solotov]

Please say you're gonna offer poly as well 

[Puddsy]

Make it WK + ISO and I'm in !

lmao

[iEatPuppers]

Interested. Maybe you could do a poll for the other colour option.

[bciamny]

really like the design here. i hope to see it move forward

[deadpan]

  Looking forward to color options!

[zhang2118]

Any updates?

[would?]

Any updates?

Afraid not – still sitting on an unbuilt first prototype. Will be receiving my PCBs very soon for a test build then i'll order a second proto

[cyberFluff]

2 Questions

Will there be a custom PCB that’s just similar to Hiney’s H88 or are you just going to order from Hiney himself?

Also, how many units are planned to be made? Will it be FCFS or raffle?

[josephtule]

Were would updates on this project be? Also cannot find you on discord

[would?]

2 Questions

Will there be a custom PCB that’s just similar to Hiney’s H88 or are you just going to order from Hiney himself?

Also, how many units are planned to be made? Will it be FCFS or raffle?

As stated in the first post, i will be using the hiney's H88

Were would updates on this project be? Also cannot find you on discord

Updates will all be here. And here is the latest:

This is all a very new process for me and as such I wanted to test the process in a safer environment. I have funded a private run to "prototype the process" and learn the ins and outs of manufacturing, shipping and all the logistics that go into having more than a proto made. Currently my waitlist is full, but if i reach the end of it and there are still extras left over i will make them available via a public raffle.

I hope to run this again, publicly, but i can't give a date as theres other designs i want to have made too. Until then heres an album of the new proto (im very happy with it) — https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJLJuQh

[cyberFluff]

Rip, private gb


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[whalematrontron]

2 Questions

Will there be a custom PCB that’s just similar to Hiney’s H88 or are you just going to order from Hiney himself?

Also, how many units are planned to be made? Will it be FCFS or raffle?

As stated in the first post, i will be using the hiney's H88

Were would updates on this project be? Also cannot find you on discord

Updates will all be here. And here is the latest:

This is all a very new process for me and as such I wanted to test the process in a safer environment. I have funded a private run to "prototype the process" and learn the ins and outs of manufacturing, shipping and all the logistics that go into having more than a proto made. Currently my waitlist is full, but if i reach the end of it and there are still extras left over i will make them available via a public raffle.

I hope to run this again, publicly, but i can't give a date as theres other designs i want to have made too. Until then heres an album of the new proto (im very happy with it) — https://flic.kr/s/aHsmJLJuQh

Looks great, and respectable decision to not rush into a buy, even if it means we'll have to wait a bit more for when a public buy goes live. Silver lining is that when (if?) you do run a public buy, you'd hopefully be more experienced and able to run a bigger run than if you went in blind.

[hineybush]

lots of good armchair designer comments on this thread lol

[japancakes]

lots of good armchair designer comments on this thread lol

Neckbeards take effort to grow

[Beerbezerker]

I'm ready to give you more of my monies Would! 

[Man In Blue]

I look forward to this. Simplicity can still be gorgeous.

[reidd]

What's a realistic timeframe for public GB? I'm thinking a looooong time but I'd like to know how to plan funds

[would?]

What's a realistic timeframe for public GB? I'm thinking a looooong time but I'd like to know how to plan funds

I have some other designs id like to run before a second round of the En Dash so it might not even be 2020 – but that is entirely dependant on the success and timeframe of other goodies

[ephemeral25]

Beautiful sleek design. I love it

[Sycomore]

I always come back to check out the photo gallery of this board and it just makes me more and more upset everytime... It's soo gorgeous

[Mcnos]

R3?

[avtar]

Is no top logo an option?

[would?]

Is no top logo an option?

no

[break]

Is no top logo an option?

You’d totally want that Tangerine Mono and punctuation reference though

[fabijolo]

Definitely in it to win it 

[Vadurr]

Interested

[Quriosity]

Definitely interested in any public GB of this board whenever it may come around.

[Hyphen]

I'm new to the customs scene, but I think it's a handsome board! I'm definitely interested and looking forward to seeing what colours options there will be.

Edit: Ah. Just reread that it was a private GB. This link was sitting in a Discord DM for a while for me. But I'd still be down if this ever goes into a public GB.

[phatty]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

[Sycomore]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

Looking good mate, defs a dream board!

[LightningXI]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

Me. Please.

[bananathock]

Please me please.

[zhang2118]

Following this IC since the beginning, hoping one day I can get one 😭. Heard this one has been listed for 4K in the after market 💔

[hineybush]

checking in

[goddream]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

Me. Please.

didn't you have one in hand? heheboi

[Sycomore]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

Me. Please.

didn't you have one in hand? heheboi

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Yeah I though that Lightning had one already as well

[gilbert]

pls gib

[phatty]

I got a few PMs.

The condition is immaculate, the colour is best friend green.

I wasn't selling though, just letting you know I have one.

[Mcnos]

I got a few PMs.

The condition is immaculate, the colour is best friend green.

I wasn't selling though, just letting you know I have one.

immaculate outside of the nut stains sustained during package opening.

[phatty]

I got a few PMs.

The condition is immaculate, the colour is best friend green.

I wasn't selling though, just letting you know I have one.

immaculate outside of the nut stains sustained during package opening.

It's a given. I'm only human

[Sycomore]

Pls giv all En-Dash boards, ty

[kevintcy]

Did this go to gb?

[qluboards]

Did this go to gb?

If I'm not mistaken it's only been a private GB with a supposed public one in the future? At least one can hope haha.

[Solotov]

Any idea why this beautiful board didn't go to public GB? 

[lysergic acid]

Got my En Dash

Anyone looking for / after an En Dash?

my god, that color...

[whykayallday]

Any idea why this beautiful board didn't go to public GB? 

OP wanted to test the waters with logistics first, from what I read.

[ubmit]

Hope it doesn't take too long 🙏

[Echogecko]

Definitely interested.  Gorgeous board.  Thank you for sharing.  Keep us updated!

[hkiri]

Hello, please give. Thanks.

[xef]

is this dead? have had it bookmarked since 2019 and still check for updates every few weeks

[would?]

I think so, I've decided to move on to other projects and leave this one as the single private GB