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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 26 December 2019, 20:30:00 »
The preorder page is online now. https://www.nizkeyboard.com/collections/groups-1

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #51 on: Thu, 26 December 2019, 21:44:15 »
what should I buy if I want to build a cherry keyboard with this case? I assume it supports pcb mounted stabs? (also bluetooth supported for mx?)

Also, the badge stands out alot. I would much prefer NIZ branding or at least the look of it from the old render.. I guess its fixed by now?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #52 on: Thu, 26 December 2019, 22:59:05 »
The preorder page is online now. https://www.nizkeyboard.com/collections/groups-1
Will the 35g domes be available for the pre-order?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #53 on: Thu, 26 December 2019, 23:05:41 »
What do we need to get exactly if we  need all the parts?

What comes in the Atom 68 EC-BLE RGB supplement bundle


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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:31:57 »
what should I buy if I want to build a cherry keyboard with this case? I assume it supports pcb mounted stabs? (also bluetooth supported for mx?)

Also, the badge stands out alot. I would much prefer NIZ branding or at least the look of it from the old render.. I guess its fixed by now?

What you need include:
  • Case
  • MX plate
  • MX PCB bundle, which includes the swtich PCB and USB C daughter board.

Yes, you should use PCB mount stabs. No Bluetooth support on the MX PCB.
The legends on the badge will be Atom in a regular sans serif font.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:32:58 »
The preorder page is online now. https://www.nizkeyboard.com/collections/groups-1
Will the 35g domes be available for the pre-order?

It's not listed because I thought no one wants it. Yes it's available. PM me if you want it.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:35:11 »
Ok great, I will as soon as I get back home. Thanks!

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:37:09 »
Is there a detail view of the new "Atom" badge or maybe a prototype we can see at some point.  The font looks pretty basic.  Not sure it's doing the design any favors

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:38:26 »

What do we need to get exactly if we  need all the parts?

What comes in the Atom 68 EC-BLE RGB supplement bundle

  • Case
  • EC plate
  • EC-BLE RGBPCB bundle. This includes the EC PCB, controller board, Li-ion battery, and the USB C daughter board
  • capacitive switch bundle. This includes the switch sliders, housings, silencing rings, and capacitive sensing springs.
  • Rubber sheet

Then you have everything except the USB cable and keycaps.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 14:25:19 »
Sorry for all the questions, but what is the supplement bundle?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 15:56:21 »
Really interesting project. Will be picking some of this up.

Please consider updating both the store and this IC to show what we need to buy to get it going.

It's unclear what I'll need if I'm coming from a Atom68 vs from scratch vs MX configuration.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 16:45:09 »
Sorry for all the questions, but what is the supplement bundle?

That's the extra parts you need for your build if you already have one Atom68. For example, if you already have an Atom68 EC-S, the supplement bundle is just the USB daughter board. If you already own an Atom68 EC-BLE, the bundle also includes a pre-modded controller board which includes an external antenna. The external antenna will enable great Bluetooth signal strength even with the aluminum case.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #62 on: Fri, 27 December 2019, 16:50:35 »
Really interesting project. Will be picking some of this up.

Please consider updating both the store and this IC to show what we need to buy to get it going.

It's unclear what I'll need if I'm coming from a Atom68 vs from scratch vs MX configuration.

The information is on the case's page.

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If you already have an Atom68 EC keyboard, you still need to order the Atom68 Alu EC plateand the corresponding supplement bundles.
If you don’t own an Atom68 yet and want to build a fully functional capacitive keyboard, you need to order the case, EC plate, one of the three EC PCB bundles, capacitive switch bundle, and rubber sheet.
If you don’t own an Atom68 yet and want to build a fully functional keyboard with MX switches, you need to order the case, MX plate, and Atom68 MX PCB bundle. Switches, stabilizers, and keycaps are not included.

It's a straightforward guide to me but I know I'm biased. Let me know what's not clear.
I didn't explain it to details such like what exactly is a switch bundle because I don't want to make people more confusing, especially those who don't know much about capacitive keyboards. The description just tells you what to buy for the condition you're in.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #63 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 12:22:44 »
Is there no chance of a change in the font on the case? I'd much prefer to orignal niz with the chinese characters than the really plain looking atom badge.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #64 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 15:38:30 »
I have the following in my cart:

Atom68 45g rubber dome sheet
Atom68 Alu plate - Aluminum anodizing black / EC version
Atom 68 EC PCB bundle (RGB backlit & USB and Bluetooth dual mode version)
Atom68 Alu case - Anodizing black

Do I need anything else?

What's the difference between the PCB bundle and the supplement bundle?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #65 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 17:27:39 »
I have the following in my cart:

Atom68 45g rubber dome sheet
Atom68 Alu plate - Aluminum anodizing black / EC version
Atom 68 EC PCB bundle (RGB backlit & USB and Bluetooth dual mode version)
Atom68 Alu case - Anodizing black

Do I need anything else?

What's the difference between the PCB bundle and the supplement bundle?

This was answerred literally two posts up and is on the case preorder page. You need the capacitive switch bundle. The supplement bundles are only needed when transplanting an existing Atom68 to the aluminum case.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #66 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 18:14:42 »
Is there no chance of a change in the font on the case? I'd much prefer to orignal niz with the chinese characters than the really plain looking atom badge.

Yes. Please PM or email me your order id.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #67 on: Sat, 28 December 2019, 18:18:25 »
I have the following in my cart:

Atom68 45g rubber dome sheet
Atom68 Alu plate - Aluminum anodizing black / EC version
Atom 68 EC PCB bundle (RGB backlit & USB and Bluetooth dual mode version)
Atom68 Alu case - Anodizing black

Do I need anything else?

What's the difference between the PCB bundle and the supplement bundle?

You still need the EC switch bundle.

So the PCB bundle + switch bundle is for those who don't own an Atom68.
The supplement bundles are for those who already own an Atom68. They can harvest the sliders, housings, and PCBs for their build. They still need some extra parts. That's what supplement bundles for.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 00:33:03 »
Hi, really interested in this. The badge stands out too much for my taste, though.. is there any possibility at all of a no-badge option?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 00:41:30 »
Hi, really interested in this. The badge stands out too much for my taste, though.. is there any possibility at all of a no-badge option?

Good question.  I would be interested in a no badge option if possible.  If not, I would definitely prefer the original NIZ logo over the one in the renders that says Atom

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 04:19:38 »
There is no option for purchasing the stabs to assemble an EC board.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 10:22:34 »
There is no option for purchasing the stabs to assemble an EC board.
"Plate mount stabilizers are included for EC version mounting plates. "
https://www.nizkeyboard.com/collections/groups-1/products/atom68-alu-plate

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 12:32:16 »
Is this the correct complete build? http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5e08f1c49791f/cart.pdf

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 21:14:43 »
Is this the correct complete build? http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5e08f1c49791f/cart.pdf

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Looks good to me except the EC switches. The one you chose will work but is $10 more expensive than the "capacitive switch bundle" option in the "Atom68 Alu accessories" page. They are basically the same thing. The price is lower if you buy the switches with the case and select that bundle option.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #74 on: Sun, 29 December 2019, 21:35:42 »
Is this the correct complete build? http://cloud.tapatalk.com/s/5e08f1c49791f/cart.pdf

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Looks good to me except the EC switches. The one you chose will work but is $10 more expensive than the "capacitive switch bundle" option in the "Atom68 Alu accessories" page. They are basically the same thing. The price is lower if you buy the switches with the case and select that bundle option.
Ok thank you

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 30 December 2019, 08:46:15 »
This is great to see, it looks really good. I know it's kind of early, but will there be any plans in the future to make a premium case such as this one for the Plum Mini 84 Pro?  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 30 December 2019, 15:27:26 »
Is there no chance of a change in the font on the case? I'd much prefer to orignal niz with the chinese characters than the really plain looking atom badge.

Yes. Please PM or email me your order id.

I DMd you, also does the bluetooth bundle come with a battery?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 30 December 2019, 16:39:57 »
Is there no chance of a change in the font on the case? I'd much prefer to orignal niz with the chinese characters than the really plain looking atom badge.

Yes. Please PM or email me your order id.

I DMd you, also does the bluetooth bundle come with a battery?

Yes.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #78 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 05:12:43 »
I want to buy E-white case, is there prototype pic for E-white model?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #79 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 10:46:17 »
How long will the preorder be open for?  And could you explain what the supplementary options mean in the store page for the accessories?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #80 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 10:48:49 »
Supplementary is for people that already own a plastic Atom68. It allows them to harvest the parts.

Also, on the pre-order page it says how long the GB is open for. 1/9

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #81 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 11:11:19 »
Supplementary is for people that already own a plastic Atom68. It allows them to harvest the parts.

Also, on the pre-order page it says how long the GB is open for. 1/9

Ahh thank you, I was on mobile and couldn't find the date.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #82 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 12:22:19 »
Glad to have a non-plastic EC board available, but I feel this is overpriced by about $60-80. First to market, competitive advantage, pent-up demand not considered, of course. I'm going to skip and hope that the price comes down to earth at some point.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #83 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 12:25:26 »
Glad to have a non-plastic EC board available, but I feel this is overpriced by about $60-80. First to market, competitive advantage, pent-up demand not considered, of course. I'm going to skip and hope that the price comes down to earth at some point.

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I hear you.  I'm considering this board simply b/c 65% is my favorite layout.  As far as i know, the only other soon planned custom EC boards (if they ever happen) are going to be TKL and HHKB. this is my best bet for at least the next year.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #84 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 13:52:18 »
Glad to have a non-plastic EC board available, but I feel this is overpriced by about $60-80. First to market, competitive advantage, pent-up demand not considered, of course. I'm going to skip and hope that the price comes down to earth at some point.

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There are always cheaper options. There are more expensive ones as well (Norbatouch, Noxary XRF). The price tag of Atom68-Alu was determined by the made cost and the investment we've already made. What's your calculation that it's overpriced by about $ 60-80?

To achieve the seamless side that we want, we didn't use the regular and cheap solution that just adding a flat bottom plate. In that way, the case will be light and hollow. Instead, the bottom case is also milled from a large thick aluminum block and is crafted to just the inner space we need.
To achieve the vertical front and back walls that we want, the aluminum bars need to be re-adjusted for more times during the CNC milling, which significantly adds the costs.
To make Bluetooth possible in an aluminum case, we made new molds for the rubber feet.
To optimize the typing experience and sound, we made new molds for stabilizers.

You can't even find the features I mentioned in more expensive cases.

In fact, we've invested much more money than what we expect to earn in this Group buy. We are a for-profit company but we're willing to invest in advance. This keyboard is the first attempt for a new market from a capacitive keyboard company. If it cannot be supported, there won't be a time that "price comes down to earth at some point" at least from us.

Good luck with your hope.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #85 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 15:01:09 »
Will the button (not sure what it is) on the side be white for the e-white case?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #86 on: Tue, 31 December 2019, 23:09:44 »
thanks for the reply OP. I really want to like the case - heck, I might still jump regardless - but the only sticking point is the badge for me, it just doesn't look great in those renders. Will there be pictures of a prototype? Can you clarify if the original badge is an option?

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #87 on: Wed, 01 January 2020, 15:17:09 »
Glad to have a non-plastic EC board available, but I feel this is overpriced by about $60-80. First to market, competitive advantage, pent-up demand not considered, of course. I'm going to skip and hope that the price comes down to earth at some point.

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There are always cheaper options. There are more expensive ones as well (Norbatouch, Noxary XRF). The price tag of Atom68-Alu was determined by the made cost and the investment we've already made. What's your calculation that it's overpriced by about $ 60-80?

To achieve the seamless side that we want, we didn't use the regular and cheap solution that just adding a flat bottom plate. In that way, the case will be light and hollow. Instead, the bottom case is also milled from a large thick aluminum block and is crafted to just the inner space we need.
To achieve the vertical front and back walls that we want, the aluminum bars need to be re-adjusted for more times during the CNC milling, which significantly adds the costs.
To make Bluetooth possible in an aluminum case, we made new molds for the rubber feet.
To optimize the typing experience and sound, we made new molds for stabilizers.

You can't even find the features I mentioned in more expensive cases.

In fact, we've invested much more money than what we expect to earn in this Group buy. We are a for-profit company but we're willing to invest in advance. This keyboard is the first attempt for a new market from a capacitive keyboard company. If it cannot be supported, there won't be a time that "price comes down to earth at some point" at least from us.

Good luck with your hope.

Thanks for the clarifications. I do not mean to marginalize the amount of effort and investment gone into developing this product at all. I also acknowledge that Niz is a for-profit organization and I believe businesses that create great products should profit from them.

In my opinion, I believe there's a healthy amount of profit margin baked into current pricing and feel that the pricing associated with the case is a bit high. Given the non-BT plastic Atom 68 board is $129, I was anticipating the aluminum build would be approximately $260-$300 range, but was quite surprised to see that it would be $360.

I've seen plenty of smaller group buys by smaller teams with amazing build quality offered with highly competitive pricing. I understand that significant amount of materials and labor goes into the Atom 68 aluminum case, but I can't help but think that the case should be at about $200 price level, hence my assertion that I believe the pricing is high. Perhaps mass manufacturing would bring the costs down in the future? I certainly hope so!

I love my Niz Micro 82 and would like to own an aluminum Atom 68 in the future, but it will need to wait until pricing meets my expectations and/or reviews from veteran community members demonstrate that the product is of exceptional quality.

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Re: [IC] Atom68 Alu | preorder page is online
« Reply #88 on: Wed, 01 January 2020, 17:19:17 »
I recognize that we are definitely paying a bit of a premium here but imo it's not a big deal. They are bringing something new and interesting to the market by providing a full DIY EC experience. For an established company like Niz, this is probably a risk they didn't really have to take, and it might pave the way for other products. PFUs new HHKB is laughable compared to this.

Sure it would be nice if it was cheaper, but the price doesn't seem unreasonable to me either.
The premium seems worth it, especially when coming from an established entity rather than a random small team (RIP Lumina)

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« Reply #89 on: Thu, 02 January 2020, 18:06:20 »
Any possibility of a sound test?  :cool: