Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 01:57:04
Right. So... we're probably getting a Round 2 this year (2018) around Q4. I'll post more details as I get them.
** For now, we're running a poll to see if the community prefers a sculpted profile over flat for Round 2.
Here are the options. Renders are courtesy of Oblotzky - a gentleman and a scholar.
FLAT - same as Round 1
(https://i.imgur.com/jbFWLyQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FuXoyXG.png)
SCULPTED - 112343
(https://i.imgur.com/WGxmyiI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lsUl5A9.png)
If you're having trouble telling the difference you're not alone. :D It's very subtle. Your fingers will know.
Here's the complete Imgur album in case the embedded renders stop working: https://imgur.com/a/co1oI
Now, on to the poll...
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdKpjp_NrZZijBdUSvdocqffqD4MQL8UAVB23oCaPnmS6kSwg/viewform
I'm letting this run for a while, maybe up to a month before I shut it down. Please only vote once. I'm always watching... :-X
Old post info below...
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WE ARE LIVE ON MASSDROP! (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)
This thread is closed, but let the discussion continue in the GROUP BUY THREAD here! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75254)
(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
/salute
So having served in the Air Force and been to a few air shows I thought I'd like to try a key set with an aviation theme. I've always liked the Blue Angels colors so that gave me an easy start with the colorway. Where to go from there? Well everybody loves Top Gun (for one reason or another)... thus, Danger Zone was born -- a Top Gun/Blue Angels mash-up!
This will be Signature Plastics doubleshot ABS. Colors are BFU, GSM, YY, and a little RAS. I wanted a gray that complimented the blue and GSM definitely has some blue in it. It's not quite "battleship gray" but it's close enough to keep with the military theme.
I haven't decided if I want to do uniform SA row 3 or DSA profile for this. I'm leaning toward SA but I'm going to leave that up to the community. A Google poll has been created to gauge community preference here: [LINK REMOVED] -- FYI, after having the poll open for more than a month we have settled on SA Row 3 for this set. It wasn't even close.
This group buy will run the normal course (IC, GB) through PMK. I got some preliminary pricing from Melissa (posted later in this thread) and I'm working on some updated/semi-final pricing for the different kits. I will post that info here when I have it. There are a few GBs running or about to run right now so I'm thinking April or May for this one. No rush.
Update: After some community feedback I've altered the design to use full centered legends with large alphas. This seems to be a hit, so we're going with it.
Anyway, on with the pics... WARNING: These are large.
TKL Base Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
NumPad Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/BXfETMj.png)
Arrow Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/e8pVQph.png)
Dogfighter Pack (Gamer)
(http://i.imgur.com/xUm4W0z.png)
RAF Pack (UK ISO)
(http://i.imgur.com/8dH9vhc.png)
Maverick Pack (Winkeyless, Colemak, Dvorak, Other?)
(http://i.imgur.com/VvbuqvP.png)
Planck & Atomic Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/eka6a5Y.png)
AeroDox Pack (ErgoDox)
(http://i.imgur.com/qB8au3K.png)
JD40 Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/MDFNy3n.png)
Wingman Pack (Novelty)
(http://i.imgur.com/NGIC11b.png)
NEW! Alternate Function Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
- Summary -
Polymer: ABS
Legends: Doubleshot
Font: SP Gorton Modified
Colors: BFU, GSM, YY, RAS
Profile: SA Row3 (by community vote)
A quick note on the font: This is URW Gordon Medium. Apparently URW (a German design house) bought the rights to the original Gorton engraver's font back in the 90s and developed an in-house font with it, renaming it "Gordon". I've used it here in an attempt to illustrate what the legends will look like with as much accuracy as possible. Some legends will not match exactly, particularly the symbols.
Colors for these mock-ups were pulled from the Deskthority Wiki (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours). If your monitor is calibrated for the sRGB color space, what you see is what you'll get.
I'm open to suggestions and constructive criticism, especially needed keys in the Maverick Pack (particularly Tsangan). I'd also like to do a JD40 Pack but I need to know which additional keys are needed.
Here are some sample layouts showing off the set.
ANSI 104 with novelties (Wingman + Dogfighter)
(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
ErgoDox
(http://i.imgur.com/Tf6dfXI.png)
Atomic (ortholinear)
(http://i.imgur.com/BZ7EDfo.png)
JD40
(http://i.imgur.com/rVpe7R8.png)
Duck Octagon 75%
(http://i.imgur.com/WIRngdq.png)
Thanks for looking. :cool: UPDATE: Thank you to those who participated in the profile survey (http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC). We will be using the SA profile for this set.
The old interest check is still available for review on PMK, for posterity. (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/) :)
This thread is closed, but let the discussion continue in the GROUP BUY THREAD here! (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75254)
(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
/salute
So having served in the Air Force and been to a few air shows I thought I'd like to try a key set with an aviation theme. I've always liked the Blue Angels colors so that gave me an easy start with the colorway. Where to go from there? Well everybody loves Top Gun (for one reason or another)... thus, Danger Zone was born -- a Top Gun/Blue Angels mash-up!
This will be Signature Plastics doubleshot ABS. Colors are BFU, GSM, YY, and a little RAS. I wanted a gray that complimented the blue and GSM definitely has some blue in it. It's not quite "battleship gray" but it's close enough to keep with the military theme.
This group buy will run the normal course (IC, GB) through PMK. I got some preliminary pricing from Melissa (posted later in this thread) and I'm working on some updated/semi-final pricing for the different kits. I will post that info here when I have it. There are a few GBs running or about to run right now so I'm thinking April or May for this one. No rush.
Update: After some community feedback I've altered the design to use full centered legends with large alphas. This seems to be a hit, so we're going with it.
Anyway, on with the pics... WARNING: These are large.
TKL Base Kit
(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
NumPad Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/BXfETMj.png)
Arrow Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/e8pVQph.png)
Dogfighter Pack (Gamer)
(http://i.imgur.com/xUm4W0z.png)
RAF Pack (UK ISO)
(http://i.imgur.com/8dH9vhc.png)
Maverick Pack (Winkeyless, Colemak, Dvorak, Other?)
(http://i.imgur.com/VvbuqvP.png)
Planck & Atomic Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/eka6a5Y.png)
AeroDox Pack (ErgoDox)
(http://i.imgur.com/qB8au3K.png)
JD40 Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/MDFNy3n.png)
Wingman Pack (Novelty)
(http://i.imgur.com/NGIC11b.png)
NEW! Alternate Function Pack
(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
- Summary -
Polymer: ABS
Legends: Doubleshot
Font: SP Gorton Modified
Colors: BFU, GSM, YY, RAS
Profile: SA Row3 (by community vote)
A quick note on the font: This is URW Gordon Medium. Apparently URW (a German design house) bought the rights to the original Gorton engraver's font back in the 90s and developed an in-house font with it, renaming it "Gordon". I've used it here in an attempt to illustrate what the legends will look like with as much accuracy as possible. Some legends will not match exactly, particularly the symbols.
Colors for these mock-ups were pulled from the Deskthority Wiki (http://deskthority.net/wiki/Signature_Plastics_ABS_colours). If your monitor is calibrated for the sRGB color space, what you see is what you'll get.
I'm open to suggestions and constructive criticism, especially needed keys in the Maverick Pack (particularly Tsangan). I'd also like to do a JD40 Pack but I need to know which additional keys are needed.
Here are some sample layouts showing off the set.
ANSI 104 with novelties (Wingman + Dogfighter)
(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
ErgoDox
(http://i.imgur.com/Tf6dfXI.png)
Atomic (ortholinear)
(http://i.imgur.com/BZ7EDfo.png)
JD40
(http://i.imgur.com/rVpe7R8.png)
Duck Octagon 75%
(http://i.imgur.com/WIRngdq.png)
Thanks for looking. :cool: UPDATE: Thank you to those who participated in the profile survey (http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC). We will be using the SA profile for this set.
The old interest check is still available for review on PMK, for posterity. (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/) :)
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- EDIT & UPDATE LOG -
20150209 2257 - Updated RAF and Maverick Packs
20150210 2155 - Updated RAF and Maverick Packs (again), uploaded JD40 and Dogfighter Packs, added keys to Wingman Pack
20150219 2019 - Minor color change in the JD40 Pack
20150323 0939 - Updated to reflect final row profile
20150325 1034 - Minor text edit
20150506 0912 - Updated with latest images, new mock-ups, and included some text updates
20150512 1643 - Added links to interest check on PMK
20150915 0935 - Added link to group buy on Massdrop
20150915 1408 - Closed thread, moved to Group Buy forum
20150209 2257 - Updated RAF and Maverick Packs
20150210 2155 - Updated RAF and Maverick Packs (again), uploaded JD40 and Dogfighter Packs, added keys to Wingman Pack
20150219 2019 - Minor color change in the JD40 Pack
20150323 0939 - Updated to reflect final row profile
20150325 1034 - Minor text edit
20150506 0912 - Updated with latest images, new mock-ups, and included some text updates
20150512 1643 - Added links to interest check on PMK
20150915 0935 - Added link to group buy on Massdrop
20150915 1408 - Closed thread, moved to Group Buy forum
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:01:40
Post by: ccc24 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:13:51
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:15:55
AeroDox Pack is perfect, I'd like to see what the moq and price is set at for this. Maybe you could cut the redundant keys if gets to pricey.This would be through SP, so they would come in packs.
Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:18:46
AeroDox Pack is perfect, I'd like to see what the moq and price is set at for this. Maybe you could cut the redundant keys if gets to pricey.
Check out the one for 1976: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-modifier-kit/
$56 to start with a MOQ of 15. AeroDox has a few more keys than that, so it will probably be a $60-65 kit at 15 MOQ. Not cheap, so prepare your wallet. :p
I can cut a few if there's a consensus that they're redundant.
Post by: neverused on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:25:03
Post by: ccc24 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 02:33:09
AeroDox Pack is perfect, I'd like to see what the moq and price is set at for this. Maybe you could cut the redundant keys if gets to pricey.
Check out the one for 1976: http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/1976-ergodox-modifier-kit/
$56 to start with a MOQ of 15. AeroDox has a few more keys than that, so it will probably be a $60-65 kit at 15 MOQ. Not cheap, so prepare your wallet. :p
I can cut a few if there's a consensus that they're redundant.
Ya, I saw that what's holding me off on that buy is that a for a few more dollars I could get a whole ergodox covered.
Well i'm not sure how people have their keys set up but if they plan to buy the base tkl set along with the aerodox there are some things they could replace if they aren't too picky ;D.
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 08 February 2015, 03:04:58
I would prefer contoured SA, but I prefer row 3 SA over DSA.
Post by: PunksDead on Sun, 08 February 2015, 03:05:24
Post by: Dihedral on Sun, 08 February 2015, 06:55:14
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 08 February 2015, 10:05:32
I vote for SA as well, would make a great sister set to the commando 23!Thats exactly what I thought when I saw the question, R3 SA is the best looking profile for this set.
Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 17:01:47
Post by: jdcarpe on Sun, 08 February 2015, 17:17:51
Can somebody give me the low down on a JD40 kit? If it's more than 4-5 additional keys I'll break it out into its own pack, otherwise I can probably squeeze it into the Maverick pack.
R2: 1u Esc, (1u Backspace?)
R3: 1.25u Tab, 1.75u Return/Enter
R4: 1.75u Shift, 1.25u Shift, 1u Fn
R4: 1u Alt, 1.25u <,, 1.25u >.
Some of these might be in the Maverick kit...
Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 17:24:15
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 08 February 2015, 17:24:59
Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 17:30:21
(http://i.imgur.com/PqzSxzg.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/wJ9kLKZ.jpg)
More in the album here: http://imgur.com/a/6z9KF
Post by: Ouro on Sun, 08 February 2015, 19:38:34
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:14:40
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:16:31
(http://i.imgur.com/oq2qkUN.gif)
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:19:01
DANGER ZONE!DANGAAAAA ZOOONEShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/oq2qkUN.gif)
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:19:48
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:48:41
Is it possible to get the smooth semi-matte texture of SA with DSA? I wouldn't mind that either.
Yes, DSA is available in the Semi-Matte that has been used on most SA sets.
http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf (http://www.solutionsinplastic.com/pdfs/DSAFamily.pdf)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:51:52
The Yellow pops on Dark Blue easily and it has to be all SA Profile because that is still the ONLY profile SP makes perfectly.
You have to include some extra sayings on the keys such as; Payload Release, Bombs Away, or Target Ruskies as that will occur quite soon :thumb: .
Post by: Data on Sun, 08 February 2015, 20:56:17
DANGER ZONE!YES!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oq2qkUN.gif)
Definitely want to see this one made soon.I need to watch Top Gun again so I can capture all the cheesy references for this set. Any suggestions for the novelty set are appreciated. :D
The Yellow pops on Dark Blue easily and it has to be all SA Profile because that is still the ONLY profile SP makes perfectly.
You have to include some extra sayings on the keys such as; Payload Release, Bombs Away, or Target Ruskies as that will occur quite soon :thumb: .
Post by: MGH on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:02:26
Post by: 01111000 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:07:43
Dam, I like this set. SA is perfect for it.
Agreed
Looks like Calm Depths with a twist.
Post by: SL89 on Sun, 08 February 2015, 21:20:57
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 09 February 2015, 00:31:25
Interesting font choice, it would be 100% original legends then?
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Standard SP legends, most likely. To get new legends cut for each keycap mold would cost between $4000 and $8000 extra for the buy.
Post by: Eversor1 on Mon, 09 February 2015, 06:54:09
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 08:19:07
Interesting font choice, it would be 100% original legends then?
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
No, the opposite. SP's house font is Gorton Modified. That's what this set will use. The mock-ups I've posted use URW Gordon Medium, which is a very close approximation of SP's font -- they are both based on an engraver's font called Gorton.
There are a number of original legends, but not the entire set.
Interesting footnote:
The Gorton font (or something very like it) can be found in aviation control panels, indicators, and other aircraft labels going back to WWII. Here's an example of an F/A-18G cockpit:
(http://i.imgur.com/yrJnlLB.jpg)
And an F-4N simulator:
(http://i.imgur.com/h7PKizA.jpg)
And an F-100:
(http://i.imgur.com/WOGBvBx.jpg)
Post by: meow a cat on Mon, 09 February 2015, 08:49:25
I'm not a pilot, but I have a thing for airplanes. This set would look great in my simpit. :thumb:
I would prefer SA over DSA.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 09 February 2015, 08:57:04
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 09:15:22
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
I'd like to think it was your awesome Vault 13 caps that inspired me, at least subconsciously. ;)
Post by: SL89 on Mon, 09 February 2015, 09:39:03
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
I'd like to think it was your awesome Vault 13 caps that inspired me, at least subconsciously. ;)
*proceeds to kick self over missing Fallout GB*
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 09 February 2015, 10:09:10
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 10:13:35
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 09 February 2015, 10:19:15
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 February 2015, 10:27:19
Interesting footnote:
The Gorton font (or something very like it) can be found in aviation control panels, indicators, and other aircraft labels going back to WWII.
Interesting historical note:
The font is called Gorton after the font used by Gorton Engraving machines that were employed to engrave most early instrument panels. http://www.gorton-machine.org/ (http://www.gorton-machine.org/)
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 10:43:06
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
I haven't used DSA enough to have an opinion either way.
If there are more DSA guys out there interested in this set, you need to speak up. :-X
;D I appreciate your help on this. I may take you up on your offer to look at the custom legends, particularly the DZ logo. I haven't tried tweaking the corners yet but I think it's going to be a challenge. SP's guide isn't exactly user-friendly either.Interesting footnote:
The Gorton font (or something very like it) can be found in aviation control panels, indicators, and other aircraft labels going back to WWII.
Interesting historical note:
The font is called Gorton after the font used by Gorton Engraving machines that were employed to engrave most early instrument panels. http://www.gorton-machine.org/ (http://www.gorton-machine.org/)
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 February 2015, 11:11:16
;D I appreciate your help on this. I may take you up on your offer to look at the custom legends, particularly the DZ logo. I haven't tried tweaking the corners yet but I think it's going to be a challenge. SP's guide isn't exactly user-friendly either.
Sure, no problem, just let me know. The toughest part is the requirement for space between legend elements. The stripes of your wings come to mind.. You'll have to space them a bit more....still workable, though.
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 11:17:17
http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC
Poll closed. SA won in a landslide.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 09 February 2015, 12:00:46
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
I want to try any SA, I have yet to type on it...whether contoured or not. I think my old Commodore 64 featured SA, but I honestly can't remember... :confused:
Post by: Heliosphere on Mon, 09 February 2015, 16:24:17
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
We think alike, my friend.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:34:49
If there are more DSA guys out there interested in this set, you need to speak up. :-X
Shhhh.....do you hear the crickets chirping in the background? Watch the tumbleweeds roll on by, because NO ONE WANTS DSA, I hope this explains it clearly from now on Buddy 8) .
Now bring on the SA Profiled Babies for us to enjoy here ;D .
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:44:49
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:57:19
Was there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Does this one count?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36435.0
"SA" is kind of a Signature Plastics thing, but tall, uniform sphericals have been around at least as long as sculpted rows. I assume that's what you meant.
Note: I am not an expert on this subject.
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 09 February 2015, 18:58:17
Was there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Yes... Commando 23, Nuclear Data, somewhat Penumbra, Calm Depths...
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 February 2015, 19:17:42
Was there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Yes... Commando 23, Nuclear Data, somewhat Penumbra, Calm Depths...
I meant a keyboard that were made with SA type keys with no profile at the factory, and commercialized as a standalone board or as part of a computer system. I did not ask for keysets. Sorry, if I did not write clearly.
Post by: ideus on Mon, 09 February 2015, 19:19:20
Was there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Does this one count?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36435.0
"SA" is kind of a Signature Plastics thing, but tall, uniform sphericals have been around at least as long as sculpted rows. I assume that's what you meant.
Note: I am not an expert on this subject.
I think this count as a "stock" keyboard with tall spherical keys ala SA.
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 09 February 2015, 19:29:43
Spherical sets exsist on alps boards I thinkWas there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Yes... Commando 23, Nuclear Data, somewhat Penumbra, Calm Depths...
I meant a keyboard that were made with SA type keys with no profile at the factory, and commercialized as a standalone board or as part of a computer system. I did not ask for keysets. Sorry, if I did not write clearly.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 09 February 2015, 20:45:27
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
I'd like to think it was your awesome Vault 13 caps that inspired me, at least subconsciously. ;)
Well, I was already looking to do a Nuclear Data: Vault Dweller Edition, but...you beat me to it. Great Job on this!
I am curious, have they cleared your legends for the winged DZ logo yet? That is my least favorite part of creating new stuff...they say 'no', 'no', 'not yet', 'almost there', and then finally 'Yes!'
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
I'd like to think it was your awesome Vault 13 caps that inspired me, at least subconsciously. ;)
*proceeds to kick self over missing Fallout GB*
There will be a Series III...
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 21:53:59
Also is it bad that i want this set to subvert and make a Fallout keyboard?
Hmmmm...I like your thinkin'
I'd like to think it was your awesome Vault 13 caps that inspired me, at least subconsciously. ;)
Well, I was already looking to do a Nuclear Data: Vault Dweller Edition, but...you beat me to it. Great Job on this!
I am curious, have they cleared your legends for the winged DZ logo yet? That is my least favorite part of creating new stuff...they say 'no', 'no', 'not yet', 'almost there', and then finally 'Yes!'
Nothing has cleared SP yet. I wasn't going to start that process with SP until/unless the set had considerable support. There are enough GBs running right now that we'd be better off taking our time anyway.
I think Engicoder is going to lend a hand with some of the legends. I've read SP's "guide" several times and it looks... daunting. I'm trying to work within the 0.380" square they allow for SA 1u caps. Meeting the radius and minimum distance requirements will be fun... :confused:
Post by: Data on Mon, 09 February 2015, 22:00:16
(http://i.imgur.com/8R6neQQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MsGNtd7.png)
I also have the start of what will hopefully be some 1u novelty keys. Any suggestions are HUGELY appreciated.
(http://i.imgur.com/nayCy50.png)
The RAF roundel seemed like an obvious addition so I went ahead and tossed it in the pack.
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 09 February 2015, 22:35:58
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 10 February 2015, 01:51:32
UPDATE: I've uploaded small updates for the RAF and Maverick Packs. Changes posted to OP.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8R6neQQ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MsGNtd7.png)
I also have the start of what will hopefully be some 1u novelty keys. Any suggestions are HUGELY appreciated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nayCy50.png)
The RAF roundel seemed like an obvious addition so I went ahead and tossed it in the pack.
you took my idea! awesome! for what its worth, this is my favorite new keyset in a while. good luck!
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 09:02:31
For the novelty kit, how about "CHAFF", "FLARE" and/or "FUEL DUMP" 1u caps?
Hmm, yes... I'll try these. FLARE I'm already using (it's also a maneuver, I was using it in that context) but it might work better alongside CHAFF on a 1u.
FUEL DUMP seems like a no-brainer.
I might also try an ECM key.
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 09:03:04
UPDATE: I've uploaded small updates for the RAF and Maverick Packs. Changes posted to OP.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8R6neQQ.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MsGNtd7.png)
I also have the start of what will hopefully be some 1u novelty keys. Any suggestions are HUGELY appreciated.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nayCy50.png)
The RAF roundel seemed like an obvious addition so I went ahead and tossed it in the pack.
you took my idea! awesome! for what its worth, this is my favorite new keyset in a while. good luck!
Thanks for the suggestion! It was so obvious after you mentioned it. :D
Post by: ideus on Tue, 10 February 2015, 10:47:01
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
DSA can be mix and match with other DSAs sets people already owned, to create unique interesting combinations. With recent GBs for DSA kits in the hundreds, and some in the thousands this should be considered.
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 10:59:51
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
DSA can be mix and match with other DSAs sets people already owned, to create unique interesting combinations. With recent GBs for DSA kits in the hundreds, and some in the thousands this should be considered.
It's being considered. But if it doesn't get enough VOTES (http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC) then it will lose to SA. Pretty simple.
Right now DSA has 1 vote, so it's not looking good.
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 11:01:19
Would anyone object to me adding these 4 1u caps to the Maverick Pack?
Post by: Dihedral on Tue, 10 February 2015, 13:19:59
So that's like 10 votes for SA and 1 for DSA. I'm definitely seeing a trend. Should I bother with a poll at this point?
DSA sucks.
SA is great, but I'm not a fan of uniform profile. I understand why people want it, for their odd layouts or whatever. But contoured just feels so much better.
DSA can be mix and match with other DSAs sets people already owned, to create unique interesting combinations. With recent GBs for DSA kits in the hundreds, and some in the thousands this should be considered.
It's being considered. But if it doesn't get enough VOTES (http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC) then it will lose to SA. Pretty simple.
Right now DSA has 1 vote, so it's not looking good.
>> VOTE HERE << (http://goo.gl/forms/JWJX6qyLtC)
You don't need to be a statistician to know which way this vote is falling.
Post by: Data on Tue, 10 February 2015, 20:59:05
Created the following new packs:
(http://i.imgur.com/Cjmt0wB.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/abnFlu7.png)
If I'm missing anything somebody please let me know.
Post by: Oobly on Thu, 12 February 2015, 07:24:56
Would you consider using "semi-contoured" SA profile like Commando, Calm Depths and Penumbra (1,2,3,3,3,4)?
I own Penumbra and Nuclear Data and I have to say that Penumbra looks way better with the angled numbers and F keys. I like full contour, but I think matching Calm Depths and Commando profiles would really suit this set.
I'm going to vote all Row 3 SA in the poll, though, because I prefer any SA to DSA.
My brother's a pilot, so I'll definitely be ordering this set for him :cool: :thumb:
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:04:28
Hi Data,
Would you consider using "semi-contoured" SA profile like Commando, Calm Depths and Penumbra (1,2,3,3,3,4)?
I own Penumbra and Nuclear Data and I have to say that Penumbra looks way better with the angled numbers and F keys. I like full contour, but I think matching Calm Depths and Commando profiles would really suit this set.
I'm going to vote all Row 3 SA in the poll, though, because I prefer any SA to DSA.
My brother's a pilot, so I'll definitely be ordering this set for him :cool: :thumb:
I'll ponder it. Thanks for the suggestion, Oobly.
I'm a little surprised by the outward dislike for DSA after the crazy success of Granite Round 2.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 08:10:48
I'm a little surprised by the outward dislike for DSA after the crazy success of Granite Round 2.
Once people start to use DSA, they realize that it's terrible for typing.
I'm not a huge fan of uniform SA, either. Although I think maybe if it were uniform Row 4, it would feel better than uniform Row 3.
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 10:56:20
I'm a little surprised by the outward dislike for DSA after the crazy success of Granite Round 2.
Once people start to use DSA, they realize that it's terrible for typing.
I'm not a huge fan of uniform SA, either. Although I think maybe if it were uniform Row 4, it would feel better than uniform Row 3.
Row 4 seems like a strange choice. Plus you still have the Row 4 Shifts problem with SP...
Did you notice if I'm missing anything in the JD40 kit?
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 11:07:48
I'm a little surprised by the outward dislike for DSA after the crazy success of Granite Round 2.
Once people start to use DSA, they realize that it's terrible for typing.
I'm not a huge fan of uniform SA, either. Although I think maybe if it were uniform Row 4, it would feel better than uniform Row 3.
Row 4 seems like a strange choice. Plus you still have the Row 4 Shifts problem with SP...
Did you notice if I'm missing anything in the JD40 kit?
Uniform row 4 can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68550.msg1632904#msg1632904
(http://i.imgur.com/eoN4LeU.jpg)
Photo credit: jacobolus
And yes, most of the mods would likely have to be Row 3.
I think you covered everything needed in the JD40 kit. :)
Post by: Heliosphere on Thu, 12 February 2015, 12:49:54
Uniform row 4 can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68550.msg1632904#msg1632904Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eoN4LeU.jpg)
Photo credit: jacobolus
And yes, most of the mods would likely have to be Row 3.
I think you covered everything needed in the JD40 kit. :)
Row 4 SA looks interesting. I would be interested in trying that out. Contoured SA would be preferable over row 3 for me.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:09:10
Row 4 SA looks interesting. I would be interested in trying that out. Contoured SA would be preferable over row 3 for me.
I'm trying to collect enough 1u Row 2/4 SA caps to cover a keyboard, so that I can test how it feels. But I already think it would feel better than uniform Row 3.
If anyone reading this has SA Row 2/4 caps they aren't using (like from a SP grab bag), please send them my way!
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:38:27
I'm a little surprised by the outward dislike for DSA after the crazy success of Granite Round 2.
Once people start to use DSA, they realize that it's terrible for typing.
I'm not a huge fan of uniform SA, either. Although I think maybe if it were uniform Row 4, it would feel better than uniform Row 3.
Row 4 seems like a strange choice. Plus you still have the Row 4 Shifts problem with SP...
Did you notice if I'm missing anything in the JD40 kit?
Uniform row 4 can be seen here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68550.msg1632904#msg1632904Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/eoN4LeU.jpg)
Photo credit: jacobolus
And yes, most of the mods would likely have to be Row 3.
I think you covered everything needed in the JD40 kit. :)
That is actually pretty interesting. What is that, a 20 degree angle? Kinda steep... :P
I have to consider the impact on the other kits. I don't think I'm ready to try something this offbeat (innovative?) with my first group buy, but I'd be lying if I said it wasn't tempting.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:41:53
That is actually pretty interesting. What is that, a 20 degree angle? Kinda steep... :P
It's only 7 degrees! :D
Edit: Oh, you mean the demonstration prop? I'm not sure...jacobolus would know, they are his creation.
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 13:44:48
That is actually pretty interesting. What is that, a 20 degree angle? Kinda steep... :P
It's only 7 degrees! :D
Edit: Oh, you mean the demonstration prop? I'm not sure...jacobolus would know, they are his creation.
(http://i.imgur.com/xgDmr2K.gif)
Oh, I see your edit now. Yeah, meant the overall prop angle. :D
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:03:30
That is actually pretty interesting. What is that, a 20 degree angle? Kinda steep... :P
It's only 7 degrees! :D
Edit: Oh, you mean the demonstration prop? I'm not sure...jacobolus would know, they are his creation.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xgDmr2K.gif)
Oh, I see your edit now. Yeah, meant the overall prop angle. :D
Most boards have a built in 2 stage variable prop. ;D
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 14:29:04
That is actually pretty interesting. What is that, a 20 degree angle? Kinda steep... :P
It's only 7 degrees! :D
Edit: Oh, you mean the demonstration prop? I'm not sure...jacobolus would know, they are his creation.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xgDmr2K.gif)
Oh, I see your edit now. Yeah, meant the overall prop angle. :D
Most boards have a built in 2 stage variable prop. ;D
If we start talking variable prop angle all I'll be able to think about is
(http://i.imgur.com/oGWJaYx.jpg)
:P
Post by: Data on Thu, 12 February 2015, 20:37:31
(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
Post by: Heliosphere on Thu, 12 February 2015, 22:58:31
OK, so here are the novelties I'm working with. Ignore the blue ones for a second.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
Looking pretty good. I think I prefer the "fatter" logo if those thin grey details can actually be achieved with good QC. It would look terrible if the yellow lines just blended into each other physically.
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 13 February 2015, 04:03:32
Was there a keyboard with stock SA uniform keycaps ever?Does this one count?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=36435.0
"SA" is kind of a Signature Plastics thing, but tall, uniform sphericals have been around at least as long as sculpted rows. I assume that's what you meant.
Note: I am not an expert on this subject.
I think this count as a "stock" keyboard with tall spherical keys ala SA.
Filco sell an SA profile set with stabiliser inserts glued in place (Row 2 for F and number rows, Row 3 all other keys), but I'm not aware of any actual boards that come with it stock.
www.keyboardco.com/product/double_shot_filco_104_key_usa_keyset.asp
Post by: Oobly on Fri, 13 February 2015, 04:28:19
OK, so here are the novelties I'm working with. Ignore the blue ones for a second.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
They look great to me :)
Post by: katushkin on Fri, 13 February 2015, 10:42:25
I'm in if this ever gets through.
Post by: Dihedral on Fri, 13 February 2015, 11:43:37
OK, so here are the novelties I'm working with. Ignore the blue ones for a second.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
I like the leftmost 'wing' design and the top 'star' design.
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 13 February 2015, 13:50:27
OK, so here are the novelties I'm working with. Ignore the blue ones for a second.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
I like the leftmost 'wing' design and the top 'star' design.
Those aren't possible with SP's equipment. Which is why he was showing the other ones that engicoder mocked up. :)
Post by: Data on Fri, 13 February 2015, 14:00:37
I really like this. Almost as much as I like Top Gun. Which is a lot.
I'm in if this ever gets through.
Thanks. Hoping to run it in April or May if the timing looks good.
OK, so here are the novelties I'm working with. Ignore the blue ones for a second.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/xkVuHbq.png)
The sharper legends are my original drawings. The "rounder" versions represent what's possible with doubleshot injection molding based on SP's design criteria. Full credit goes to engicoder for his amazing work on these legends.
They look OK to me. What do you guys think?
I like the leftmost 'wing' design and the top 'star' design.
Left-most "wing" is a go.
Top "star" is the before legend from my Illustrator drawings. Bottom "star" is the after legend. These custom legends have to conform to strict design measurements or SP won't accept them. There are physical limits in the machining (has a lot to do with corners) and the finished tool has to stand up to repeated moldings under high temperature/pressure. So of the two star designs, bottom is the one closest to the final production appearance.
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 13 February 2015, 15:28:29
Left-most "wing" is a go.
Top "star" is the before legend from my Illustrator drawings. Bottom "star" is the after legend. These custom legends have to conform to strict design measurements or SP won't accept them. There are physical limits in the machining (has a lot to do with corners) and the finished tool has to stand up to repeated moldings under high temperature/pressure. So of the two star designs, bottom is the one closest to the final production appearance.
So is the left wing the "after" or preferred design?
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 February 2015, 18:58:53
Left-most "wing" is a go.
Top "star" is the before legend from my Illustrator drawings. Bottom "star" is the after legend. These custom legends have to conform to strict design measurements or SP won't accept them. There are physical limits in the machining (has a lot to do with corners) and the finished tool has to stand up to repeated moldings under high temperature/pressure. So of the two star designs, bottom is the one closest to the final production appearance.
So is the left wing the "after" or preferred design?
Yes, the left one is the design that (we're pretty sure) meets SP's criteria.
Post by: Data on Thu, 19 February 2015, 19:21:04
(http://i.imgur.com/Wdc1T4m.png)
I'll probably approach Melissa on Monday to get some rough pricing info on a few of these kits.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 23 February 2015, 14:54:17
Post by: Data on Mon, 23 February 2015, 15:56:59
I'm a little worried that it's too much like an inverted Symbiosis or 7bit's Round X. Definitely want to get those group buys behind us (at least Symbiosis) before I move forward with Danger Zone.
Post by: Data on Thu, 05 March 2015, 19:51:09
TKL Main
25 sets $96 per set
50 sets $76 per set
75 sets $69 per set
100 sets $66 per set
150 sets $63 per set
200 sets $61 per set
250 sets $60 per set
Numpad
25 sets $30 per set
50 sets $22 per set
75 sets $20 per set
100 sets $18 per set
150 sets $17 per set
200 sets $16 per set
AeroDox
25 sets $50 per set
50 sets $40 per set
75 sets $37 per set
100 sets $35 per set
150 sets $33 per set
250 sets $32 per set
Wingman
25 sets $55 per set
50 sets $38 per set
75 sets $32 per set
100 sets $29 per set
150 sets $27 per set
200 sets $25 per set
250 sets $24 per set
They aren't nearly as bad as I thought.
I got 35 responses to the survey. 29 for SA and 6 for DSA, so that pretty much settles that. I can't tell if that's really a significant level of interest though. It feels kinda weak. Am I just crazy? Is it the timing? Is there something I could be doing better?
Still looking for feedback. I know some people are kinda burned out on this stuff and that's a large part of why I wanted to wait a while. I'm gonna cross-post this over at DT to measure their interest too.
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 05 March 2015, 22:11:01
Post by: Data on Sat, 07 March 2015, 14:43:35
(http://i.imgur.com/GMFXMEt.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/LheQFDj.png)
Last one uses WFK with the grey mods.
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 07 March 2015, 15:16:32
Just playing with color combinations.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GMFXMEt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LheQFDj.png)
Last one uses WFK with the grey mods.
I like the second. The white legends on grey for the mods creates a nice contrast to the yellow on blue them. Throw the blue on yellow enter on that set and I think you have something.
Post by: Oobly on Mon, 09 March 2015, 03:23:43
Just playing with color combinations.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GMFXMEt.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LheQFDj.png)
Last one uses WFK with the grey mods.
I think I prefer the original.
Also, I second waiting a little before launching this, my wallet hasn't seen such hacking in a long time with all the SA profile sets (Penumbra, Nuclear Data and associated buys, PuLSE, Hack'd by Geeks, 1976, RetroBlight, upcoming Matt3o Retro SA), GON PCBs, etc. It needs some recovery time, after which I am DEFINITELY ordering at least 2 of this set, most likely with RAF and Wingman kits.
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 09 March 2015, 19:02:33
...Nuclear Data and associated buysGollum likes the assssssssossssiated buyssss! Gllm, gllm...they're my pressssioussss...
Post by: EppyKay on Sat, 14 March 2015, 00:16:11
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 March 2015, 10:46:51
Wow I love this set. Looks like I'll have something to put on my gatereon switches when they come. Are the novelties set in stone? I'd love to see some gpws related caps there. Maybe a red "TERRAIN" cap or a "GLIDESLOPE" cap. "DON'T SINK" would be cool also.No, they're far from set. I could actually use some help on the 1.25u keys. I'm not completely sold on the Hornet, Falcon, etc. Any suggestions from 4-6 characters would be appreciated.
Post by: EppyKay on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:06:17
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 March 2015, 18:13:57
Post by: EppyKay on Sat, 14 March 2015, 19:57:09
Post by: Data on Sat, 14 March 2015, 22:57:08
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 15 March 2015, 05:14:11
Haven't seen an upper left hand side placement of text when using the SA profile so keep that in mind when you progress towards PMK's store front. Nothing worse then designing your key-set for DSA placement only and then it becomes distorted on an SA profile :o .
Post by: engicoder on Sun, 15 March 2015, 07:28:32
According to your poll the overwhelming choice of profile seems to be SA, hence you have to re-design the Alphas with centered text.
Haven't seen an upper left hand side placement of text when using the SA profile so keep that in mind when you progress towards PMK's store front. Nothing worse then designing your key-set for DSA placement only and then it becomes distorted on an SA profile :o .
I don't think there is a requirement for centered legends. Most SA sets have done so to be in keeping with the style of classic spherical sets from the 60's and 70's. SP's double shot molding process handles legends anywhere within the legendable area of keycap face regardless of it's curve.
Post by: EppyKay on Sun, 15 March 2015, 09:04:14
Post by: Data on Sun, 15 March 2015, 12:01:49
According to your poll the overwhelming choice of profile seems to be SA, hence you have to re-design the Alphas with centered text.I've run a few kits by Melissa once already. She didn't indicate it would be a problem, but I can ask about this specific detail.
Haven't seen an upper left hand side placement of text when using the SA profile so keep that in mind when you progress towards PMK's store front. Nothing worse then designing your key-set for DSA placement only and then it becomes distorted on an SA profile :o .
Post by: Data on Mon, 23 March 2015, 08:35:54
GUNS (obvious)
FOX 3 (AA active guided missile)
PICKLE (AS ordnance, gravity weapons)
Also considering: ECM
It's not uncommon to find ECM pods on modern fighter aircraft.
Post by: Lokomotivet on Wed, 25 March 2015, 07:13:54
Is there any option or way to get Åå Ää Öö keycaps with the ISO set? (Swedish/Nordic layout)
Post by: Data on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:16:24
New here, I have a question.
Is there any option or way to get Åå Ää Öö keycaps with the ISO set? (Swedish/Nordic layout)
Sure. If you can find at least 14 other people who will buy them I'll either add them to the UK set or make another child kit.
Post by: Hellcatz on Wed, 25 March 2015, 09:19:12
Post by: Lokomotivet on Wed, 25 March 2015, 10:15:34
Sure. If you can find at least 14 other people who will buy them I'll either add them to the UK set or make another child kit.
Adding them to the UK set will do. Hopefully some people will grab the ISO(UK) set.
Post by: Data on Wed, 25 March 2015, 11:51:45
Sure. If you can find at least 14 other people who will buy them I'll either add them to the UK set or make another child kit.
Adding them to the UK set will do. Hopefully some people will grab the ISO(UK) set.
Yeah, that would probably help the UK set tip. But I can't add the keys and increase the cost of the UK set for everyone if only 2 or 3 people actually need the additional Nordic keys. If a bunch of people request them then I'll make it happen.
Post by: vivalarevolución on Fri, 27 March 2015, 08:08:59
Post by: Data on Fri, 27 March 2015, 08:35:04
Interested
Just wanted to post my interest
Thanks guys.
Post by: cryptowillem on Fri, 27 March 2015, 13:03:24
I'll need a highway to my desk, though!
Wow, that joke didn't even work in my head. Oh well.
Post by: engicoder on Fri, 27 March 2015, 15:39:40
I love it! I'm definitely interested.
I'll need a highway to my desk, though!
Wow, that joke didn't even work in my head. Oh well.
Well, give you a break....I imagine a winter in Saskatoon does strange things to one's mind. :p
Post by: Data on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:36:14
This probably wouldn't become a GB until early May. Might wallets have recovered by then? Is interest still decent?
Post by: Data on Tue, 07 April 2015, 12:46:01
Post by: Oobly on Tue, 07 April 2015, 15:30:30
Looking to maybe "finalize" the kits this week and push the Interest Check on PMK out by the end of next week.
This probably wouldn't become a GB until early May. Might wallets have recovered by then? Is interest still decent?
That works for me, and yes, I'm very interested still if that's any indication. I hope it is 'cos this set is luvverly.
Post by: Muffin860 on Fri, 10 April 2015, 20:38:52
Going to bump this out another couple of weeks. Hoping the interest picks up.
Do keep us posted! I am certainly interested.
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 10 April 2015, 21:12:53
Going to bump this out another couple of weeks. Hoping the interest picks up.
Damn, I really like this one the Yellow Legends on dark blue and grey colour-way is UNIQUE :thumb: .
This one has to be made soon since I need some more darkie background keys that enable the legends to be seen late at night, when typing.
Also this key-set would be great for any 1800 layout due to it being all Row 3 8) .
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 11:29:19
Post by: Data on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:30:09
I'm not going through the trouble of getting it approved by SP if it's not even going to tip. :p So I'm just going to sit on it until the interest is there or it just quietly dies. Don't know what else I could do but I'm certainly open to suggestions.
All that said, I do really appreciate those of you who have expressed interest and offered suggestions. It means a lot. :thumb:
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:35:28
Post by: Data on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:38:48
I don't have anything against r/mk, I'm just not a big fan of the site layout so I don't go there.
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 15:41:19
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 29 April 2015, 19:58:51
Post by: sethk_ on Wed, 29 April 2015, 19:59:37
Post by: Data on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:23:59
And can we also have the centered Gorton legends? They look amazing on SAI'd be open to that. Let me put a sample image together.
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:25:39
I'll post it over there tonight and drop a link here to the post.
Posted in two subs:
/r/mechanicalkeyboards: http://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/34cgpd/buying_group_buy_interest_check_danger_zone_a_key/
and
/r/mechmarket (cause mechmarket doesn't accept URLs as a post): http://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/34ci4v/interest_check_danger_zone_a_key_set_for_aviators/
Post by: Data on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:33:48
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 29 April 2015, 20:45:27
Thank you sir. You're a gentleman and a scholar.:thumb:
Post by: fliptrik on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:09:31
Good job overall, though! You can definitely count on one purchase should this go through haha.
Post by: Vinnnie on Wed, 29 April 2015, 21:19:52
Post by: Elrick on Wed, 29 April 2015, 22:06:17
And can we also have the centered Gorton legends? They look amazing on SAI'd be open to that. Let me put a sample image together.
Looking forward to seeing some Gorton Action here finally 8) . Please show it as soon as possible because this Key-set shall go Ballistic When it's finally launched.
Post by: Muffin860 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 00:18:37
Thank you sir. You're a gentleman and a scholar.
So far 6 people from reddit have stated they will buy, with another one asking about price.
Post by: 01111000 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 03:17:41
Nothing to report. I've been intentionally quiet in here, mainly because I wanted to see what would happen. This is my first keycap group buy but I don't have the impression that there's a lot of interest in this set, and I'm usually pretty good at reading the situation. I wasn't expecting the kind of response that a Matt3o or CtrlAlt group buy gets around here, but I was hoping for a little more than I got. I shared my latest mock-ups over at DT and got an even weaker response. So that tells me people just aren't interested in the colorway, profile, theme, or something else. I haven't really figured it out yet -- nobody will tell me what I'm doing wrong. :rolleyes:
I'm not going through the trouble of getting it approved by SP if it's not even going to tip. :p So I'm just going to sit on it until the interest is there or it just quietly dies. Don't know what else I could do but I'm certainly open to suggestions.
All that said, I do really appreciate those of you who have expressed interest and offered suggestions. It means a lot. :thumb:
Wait a few months and try again.
It's not a bad set but colors won't appeal to everyone. There has also been a lot of big keyset drops recently, with all those CTRL ALT drops and things like GMK Adler, redrops of Granite and Dolch and soon SA Retro (and a redrop of Penumbra). Most people won't have the money on yet another set at this time.
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 April 2015, 07:56:59
Yeah, that's more or less what I'm doing.Nothing to report. I've been intentionally quiet in here, mainly because I wanted to see what would happen. This is my first keycap group buy but I don't have the impression that there's a lot of interest in this set, and I'm usually pretty good at reading the situation. I wasn't expecting the kind of response that a Matt3o or CtrlAlt group buy gets around here, but I was hoping for a little more than I got. I shared my latest mock-ups over at DT and got an even weaker response. So that tells me people just aren't interested in the colorway, profile, theme, or something else. I haven't really figured it out yet -- nobody will tell me what I'm doing wrong. :rolleyes:
I'm not going through the trouble of getting it approved by SP if it's not even going to tip. :p So I'm just going to sit on it until the interest is there or it just quietly dies. Don't know what else I could do but I'm certainly open to suggestions.
All that said, I do really appreciate those of you who have expressed interest and offered suggestions. It means a lot. :thumb:
Wait a few months and try again.
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It's not a bad set but colors won't appeal to everyone. There has also been a lot of big keyset drops recently, with all those CTRL ALT drops and things like GMK Adler, redrops of Granite and Dolch and soon SA Retro (and a redrop of Penumbra). Most people won't have the money on yet another set at this time.
I can't compete with those sets -- and I wouldn't want to. I'll be part of those group buys too. So all I can do is try to position it in a gap between them and hope that SP is accommodating.
Post by: Muffin860 on Thu, 30 April 2015, 17:26:01
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 April 2015, 17:57:51
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 30 April 2015, 19:08:55
I am working on mock-ups with centered legends. It will take me a day or so to get everything together.
BRILLIANT, centered PERFECTION is what we all want in LIFE 8) .
Actually love this colour-way you've produced, hence it shall be bought by myself for some spare keyboards in my possession.
Post by: Snarfangel on Sat, 02 May 2015, 09:39:48
Post by: Oobly on Sat, 02 May 2015, 11:26:39
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 02 May 2015, 13:47:14
I vote for full sculpt, Rows 1-1-2-3-4-4 (and Row 3 Shifts until SP has made the Row molds) like DCS, Cherry, OEM, etc. with centred Gorton legends.There was already a vote and Row 3 SA won greatly
Post by: Kaiser_Bill on Sat, 02 May 2015, 13:51:09
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 14:44:18
Were you still considering including the roundel caps in the wingman pack, or were to custom designs to expensive?I'm doing the RAF roundel for sure in that pack. I'm considering others but cost is a concern.
I should have some new art to share tonight.
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 17:01:38
This one also features the "final" custom legend design for the DZ Wing logo.
(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 02 May 2015, 17:04:54
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 17:05:46
Post by: ideus on Sat, 02 May 2015, 18:11:32
Does SP do windowed stepped caps locks>
I think that is a GMK exclusive, so far.
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 02 May 2015, 18:15:43
The only reason I was asking is because Commando 23 has a stepped windowed caps lock, unless SP didn't do itDoes SP do windowed stepped caps locks>
I think that is a GMK exclusive, so far.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:10:44
Here's the TKL Base Kit with centered legends. Let me know if you see any errors.
This one also features the "final" custom legend design for the DZ Wing logo.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
MUCH, much better buddy.
This what we're talking about, large legends, just like in any Cockpit and the Yellow stands out nicely.
Keep us informed when this baby is going to PMK for a buy up.
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:18:32
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 19:26:57
That yellow enter goes perfectly with the set, I will definitely be using it
Here's the TKL Base Kit with centered legends. Let me know if you see any errors.
This one also features the "final" custom legend design for the DZ Wing logo.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
MUCH, much better buddy.
This what we're talking about, large legends, just like in any Cockpit and the Yellow stands out nicely.
Keep us informed when this baby is going to PMK for a buy up.
Thanks guys.
If you have Nuclear Data Green, the legends will closely mirror that set. In other words, they'll be a little wider (stretched horizontally) than what I'm able to do in Illustrator, but about the same height.
Edit: I'm mainly talking about the alphas here. :confused:
The biggest difference is the numbers, which I just realized today are totally different in the SP font than the original Gorton. All but the 2, 5, and 0 numeral glyphs are different in SP's font.
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 20:57:28
(http://i.imgur.com/BXfETMj.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/NGIC11b.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/qB8au3K.png)
And here's a sample of what's possible with the ErgoDox using only the base kit and the AeroDox pack.
(http://i.imgur.com/Tf6dfXI.png)
I'll make other samples like this once I have the remaining packs updated.
Post by: Snarfangel on Sat, 02 May 2015, 21:05:22
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 23:00:23
(http://i.imgur.com/e8pVQph.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/VvbuqvP.png) It's hard to see in this image but the HUNT alphas are "bump" homing keys.
(http://i.imgur.com/xUm4W0z.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/8dH9vhc.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/MDFNy3n.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/eka6a5Y.png)
If these are error-free I'll update the OP with the new images.
I've got more sample layouts coming. :)
Post by: Data on Sat, 02 May 2015, 23:32:36
(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
And one with novelties from the Wingman and Dogfighter packs.
(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 03 May 2015, 00:02:15
And one with novelties from the Wingman and Dogfighter packs.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
I literally spunked at this pic, so fvckin' Gorgeous.
Post by: Data on Sun, 03 May 2015, 00:28:35
(http://i.imgur.com/BZ7EDfo.png)
^ I think it would look a lot cooler with the yellow arrow keys from the Arrow Pack, but I wanted to just use base kit + Atomic/Planck Pack.
And my attempt at a JD40 layout using the keys JD recommended. I think this is fairly close to what some people are using.
(http://i.imgur.com/rVpe7R8.png)
The full gallery is here: http://imgur.com/a/UmDsa
Post by: derezzed on Sun, 03 May 2015, 00:32:54
Post by: Data on Sun, 03 May 2015, 00:59:48
The only way you could improve this set is to include a USB-powered glitter bomb that fires every time you press the chaff key.
Tempting. :cool:
Here's an Octagon 75% layout using only the base kit and Maverick Pack.
(http://i.imgur.com/WIRngdq.png)
Similarly, the Duck Lightsaver can be populated using a combination of Base Kit, Maverick Pack, and NumPad Pack.
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 03 May 2015, 03:09:15
Here's an ANSI 104 "Plane Jane's" layout.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
And one with novelties from the Wingman and Dogfighter packs.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
Love everything you've done so far, just thought I would make a request for all same coloured F1 to F12 keys, would that be at all possible?
Great if you could get options for all Dark Blue F1 to F12 keys and another option for all Grey F1 to F12 keys.
Post by: Muffin860 on Sun, 03 May 2015, 08:37:57
Post by: Muffin860 on Sun, 03 May 2015, 08:40:37
Post by: Snarfangel on Sun, 03 May 2015, 09:35:45
Gah this set is just so well designed. I so hope it makes it to SP and tips.
I second...er, third that thought. :)
Post by: Oobly on Sun, 03 May 2015, 14:35:22
I vote for full sculpt, Rows 1-1-2-3-4-4 (and Row 3 Shifts until SP has made the Row molds) like DCS, Cherry, OEM, etc. with centred Gorton legends.There was already a vote and Row 3 SA won greatly
The vote only had 2 options, DSA or SA Row 3 and it was a big win for SA. AFAIK, Data was still open to discussing various SA profile options. Anyhow, just making my preference known.
Here's the TKL Base Kit with centered legends. Let me know if you see any errors.
This one also features the "final" custom legend design for the DZ Wing logo.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/ZepjtvV.png)
That looks perfect. Loving it :)
Post by: Data on Sun, 03 May 2015, 14:52:09
Here's an ANSI 104 "Plane Jane's" layout.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
And one with novelties from the Wingman and Dogfighter packs.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
Love everything you've done so far, just thought I would make a request for all same coloured F1 to F12 keys, would that be at all possible?
Great if you could get options for all Dark Blue F1 to F12 keys and another option for all Grey F1 to F12 keys.
Sure, I can do an alt function row kit.
Post by: Data on Sun, 03 May 2015, 17:16:41
Anything else?
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 03 May 2015, 20:58:46
Here's an ANSI 104 "Plane Jane's" layout.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/6EZLLR4.png)
And one with novelties from the Wingman and Dogfighter packs.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MKJHspj.png)
Love everything you've done so far, just thought I would make a request for all same coloured F1 to F12 keys, would that be at all possible?
Great if you could get options for all Dark Blue F1 to F12 keys and another option for all Grey F1 to F12 keys.
Sure, I can do an alt function row kit.
Geez, love you man :thumb: .
Just let us know when you'll put this baby up at PMK's site. Have a feeling this will move like a real Jet Plane across the key-set hungry addicts, like here at Geekhack Central 8) .
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 03 May 2015, 21:01:29
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
Anything else?
I'm shaking with great trepidation like a Virgin at his first Orgy. Can not wait for this to start already........
Post by: Data on Mon, 04 May 2015, 08:39:25
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
Anything else?
I'm shaking with great trepidation like a Virgin at his first Orgy. Can not wait for this to start already........
I should have an update on that later tonight (US Eastern).
What about the AeroDox and Planck/Atomic packs? Am I missing anything? What about 60% layouts?
Post by: Muffin860 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 06:54:30
Someone over on reddit had asked for an iso kit. Not sure if you saw that or not.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
Anything else?
I'm shaking with great trepidation like a Virgin at his first Orgy. Can not wait for this to start already........
I should have an update on that later tonight (US Eastern).
What about the AeroDox and Planck/Atomic packs? Am I missing anything? What about 60% layouts?
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 May 2015, 08:32:43
Someone over on reddit had asked for an iso kit. Not sure if you saw that or not.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HKFIHM8.png)
Anything else?
I'm shaking with great trepidation like a Virgin at his first Orgy. Can not wait for this to start already........
I should have an update on that later tonight (US Eastern).
What about the AeroDox and Planck/Atomic packs? Am I missing anything? What about 60% layouts?
ISO is the RAF Pack (UK). That's the only ISO I'm comfortable doing. If there's broad support for another language pack then they need to speak up, in here, and tell me exactly which keys need to be in it. But I'm not doing DE, Nordic, or whatever for 2 or 3 guys because it won't tip, and there's no point.
Look at the last 7 group buys run on PMK.
Symbiosis - NO TIP
1976 - German TIP; UK NO TIP
Evergreen - NO TIP
Think Different - NO TIP
Deep Space - NO TIP
EVE - NO TIP
Green Tea - NO TIP
ISO kits don't tip. If Euros want their special keys then they need to start supporting more GBs. I don't know what else to say.
Post by: Muffin860 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 08:39:51
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 May 2015, 22:59:28
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 23:37:58
PS. Amazing work ^-^
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 May 2015, 08:16:17
I must have these. I will buy a board just for them. WANT.
PS. Amazing work ^-^
Thanks. :thumb:
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 06 May 2015, 09:18:42
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 May 2015, 10:34:09
With the new Larger legends, can we increase the size of the legends on the F row to match? Obviously keys with shift characters will have a to be a bit smaller, but I think it would look more even if we increased the size of the F row legends as well.
I considered it earlier, but I think they're as big as they can get given the limits of SP's fonts. Look at some of the user photos from Pulse, Nuclear Data, Hacked by Geeks, or any other recent SA group buy. The next font size up is the HUGE font used on the alphas and the mono-legend numpad set. You can't fit 2 characters on a cap at that size, so doing the F-row that way is out of the question.
SP doesn't have unlimited font sizes. If we go up a step for the F-row then we're looking at all new custom legends for the whole row, and I don't think this set justifies the huge increase in price.
It was a good idea, though. :)
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 06 May 2015, 20:55:22
Post by: Muffin860 on Mon, 11 May 2015, 08:13:11
I've submitted the formal Interest Check for approval on PMK. I'll run the images/legends by Melissa one more time tomorrow, and we should hopefully see the IC appear on the web site in the next 24 hours. Fingers crossed. If we get the votes I'm in position to move forward on this closely following Matt3o's SA Retro.
Almost one week, but I still don't see the IC on PMK. Any word?
Post by: Data on Mon, 11 May 2015, 09:48:58
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 11 May 2015, 20:48:51
Nope. No reply from Melissa either. It still shows "pending" on the PMK interface. I'll ping her again tonight to see what's up.
Get the feeling that PMK is packed solid with orders and they are finding it hard to keep up with all the new key-set requisitions being placed :-\ .
Post by: Data on Tue, 12 May 2015, 14:32:38
Nope. No reply from Melissa either. It still shows "pending" on the PMK interface. I'll ping her again tonight to see what's up.
Get the feeling that PMK is packed solid with orders and they are finding it hard to keep up with all the new key-set requisitions being placed :-\ .
Yeah, I may have waited a few days too long. :( Honestly all they have to do is accept/publish my Interest Check. I formatted it super neat. I don't really understand the delay.
Post by: Data on Tue, 12 May 2015, 14:51:20
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 12 May 2015, 23:28:28
Nevermind, it's up. :p
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/ (http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/)
Just voted for it 8) .
Really love the way the Yellow Legends POP out at you like it will in any cockpit. It's particularly useful in dark situations late at night, the keyboard becomes even easier to see and use.
PLUS it's a unique Colour-way, yet to be used here on Geekhack :thumb: .
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 13 May 2015, 08:56:11
Nevermind, it's up. :p
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/
I have notified everyone on reddit that expressed interest, as well as made new posts about the IC. I am making this set my personal mission. I really want to make it happen!
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 13 May 2015, 13:25:12
Post by: Data on Wed, 13 May 2015, 15:10:44
Nevermind, it's up. :p
http://www.pimpmykeyboard.com/deals/danger-zone/
I have notified everyone on reddit that expressed interest, as well as made new posts about the IC. I am making this set my personal mission. I really want to make it happen!
Thanks dude. Yeah, we're in good shape right now. Hopefully the timing on the actual GB lines up well. I'd prefer if we don't overlap SA Retro at all, or run concurrently with Jukebox.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 13 May 2015, 21:39:14
Post by: Data on Thu, 14 May 2015, 09:20:26
I sent my vote at PMK.
Danke.
Post by: Data on Thu, 14 May 2015, 10:19:26
Post by: Muffin860 on Thu, 14 May 2015, 10:26:09
Just hit 100 votes. :cool:
AWWWWWWW YESSSSS ;D! Now to sit and wait for the GB :-[
Post by: Jolikki on Thu, 14 May 2015, 14:17:23
Given how good the 1976 looks compared to the prototype pics, this will look awesome.
I need more keyboards...
Post by: Data on Thu, 14 May 2015, 14:35:29
1976 in the mail and i just voted for this.
Given how good the 1976 looks compared to the prototype pics, this will look awesome.
I need more keyboards...
Yeah, I'm pretty confident the BFU and GSM combination is going to rock a lot of faces, after having stared at the color chips for hours. Then when you add the YY legends it really pops like Mike Tyson. I'm going to see if I can't get some better photos of the chips this weekend.
Post by: Muffin860 on Sat, 16 May 2015, 12:37:48
Post by: Data on Sat, 16 May 2015, 13:20:18
Post by: Data on Sat, 16 May 2015, 14:24:38
(http://i.imgur.com/VMOoWzW.png)
Based on earlier numbers from Melissa, I estimate this is about a $52 kit @ 25 MOQ.
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 16 May 2015, 19:46:15
Danger zone was in a featured email I got from SP today!
It's being lined up in the PMK website window for future purchase :thumb: .
Prepare your wallets for some major molestation and abuse because this Group Buy will go into serious territory quite soon.
Post by: Snarfangel on Sun, 17 May 2015, 18:54:02
Of course it depends on the price point it comes in at (depending on which keyboard I pick for a makeover), but at a reasonable price, I will definitely get this.
(It would be nice to see on Massdrop, actually. It's more detailed and nicer to look at than 90% of the keysets offered, though that's just a personal opinion. Then again,I bought Miami, and I am still not sure if I drank a bit too much wine before I did that. :D ).
Post by: Elrick on Sun, 17 May 2015, 20:07:57
Of course it depends on the price point it comes in at (depending on which keyboard I pick for a makeover), but at a reasonable price, I will definitely get this.
(It would be nice to see on Massdrop, actually. It's more detailed and nicer to look at than 90% of the keysets offered, though that's just a personal opinion. Then again,I bought Miami, and I am still not sure if I drank a bit too much wine before I did that. :D ).
Hey don't worry about any previous choices you made whilst under the influence because sunshine, you should see the ones I went to bed with the previous night and woke up the next day, definitely nothing to be proud of there. You just sneak away quietly but quickly so that no one else can see what you did.
For those looking to fill out a keyboard with these key-caps, well you can't go wrong with buying a WASD V2 barebone TKL or 104 because they offer them with a variety of authentic CherryMX switches, from Clears to Greens 8) .
Post by: Data on Tue, 19 May 2015, 19:15:02
The times they are a-changin' over at Signature Plastics. You may have noticed that Melissa announced a new web site and interest check format for PMK over the weekend (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55673.msg1747469#msg1747469). There are some pretty big changes ahead. It looks like the entire "group buy" format we've grown accustomed to (if not necessarily loved) will be going away in favor of a more customer-centric storefront. Here's the full quote for the motivationally challenged:
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As most of you are aware, we have experienced many functional problems with the PMK website over the past year. This has not only been frustrating for you users but it has been equally frustrating for us as well. It’s time to make a change.
Over the next couple months we will be moving the site to a new platform. Hopefully this change will address the many frustrations you have experienced from lack of mobile access to simply checking out without any problems.
We also plan to make one major change to the site. The Interest Check and Group Buy format has been very successful, making some very creative designs available to a lot of people. Unfortunately we are seeing more and more of these great designs, many receiving hundreds of “like” votes, die during the 30-day Group Buy period. Under the new format we plan to still display designs in the Interest Check, but once they receive a certain number of “like” votes we will move the design into our production cue. Once produced, the sets will become available in our Key Shop where they can be purchased and shipped within days of ordering. This way you decide when to buy the keysets, minimizing the competition we are now seeing with so many new designs being launched at the same time. We would like to have at least 20 different custom designs available through our Key Shop.
And one more change. We plan to pay a 5% royalty on the net sales of each keyset design that is up for sale to the creator of the design. We feel the creative efforts that go into these keysets should be rewarded!
We thank you for your patience and support while we incorporate these changes. We also welcome any and all suggestions you may have on how to further improve the site.
Overall I think it sounds like an improvement. So what does this mean for Danger Zone?
Well the way I'm reading it, the formal Interest Check that we have up now is going away, probably within the next 24 hours, as is the entire IC system. They'll restructure it and put it back up in "the next month or two". And from the wording Melissa used in her email it sounds like we'll be asked to resubmit our designs at that time... and basically start over. From that point it gets easier, and presumably Danger Zone will be much easier to purchase once the new format is up and running. I don't know much more than that. I have a few questions of my own and I've already asked Melissa to clarify a few things for me. I'll update the thread when I know more.
So... YAY! New web site and format that hopefully doesn't suck, but also... BOO! Starting over sucks huge donkey balls.
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:09:38
So... YAY! New web site and format that hopefully doesn't suck, but also... BOO! Starting over sucks huge donkey balls.
No worries, when you're shoving those balls into your mouth just make sure they're not sweaty, urgh ::) .
Post by: Muffin860 on Tue, 19 May 2015, 21:10:48
Post by: engicoder on Tue, 19 May 2015, 22:39:19
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:15:41
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:17:41
Melissa confirmed that we will have to start the IC over again. :rolleyes:
That is pretty terrible customer service if you ask me, I don't see why they can't port the current votes over. Blech.
Post by: Data on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:29:39
Melissa confirmed that we will have to start the IC over again. :rolleyes:
That is pretty terrible customer service if you ask me, I don't see why they can't port the current votes over. Blech.
They could, in theory, but it's a per-user unique voting system so it might be more trouble than it's worth (for them). That part doesn't bother me as much as having to resubmit my IC under the new format. I spent a lot of timing putting this one together. It would actually make sense to me if they launched the new site with a few up-and-coming ICs already setup. Just port Danger Zone, Jukebox, and Carbon from the old format so they're ready on Day 1 to help show off the site. That would be a nice gesture to the few of us who got a week of exposure and a solid response from customers only to have the plug pulled mid-stride.
Post by: Muffin860 on Wed, 20 May 2015, 08:36:09
Agreed. Either way, really disappointed in SP on this one.Melissa confirmed that we will have to start the IC over again. :rolleyes:
That is pretty terrible customer service if you ask me, I don't see why they can't port the current votes over. Blech.
They could, in theory, but it's a per-user unique voting system so it might be more trouble than it's worth (for them). That part doesn't bother me as much as having to resubmit my IC under the new format. I spent a lot of timing putting this one together. It would actually make sense to me if they launched the new site with a few up-and-coming ICs already setup. Just port Danger Zone, Jukebox, and Carbon from the old format so they're ready on Day 1 to help show off the site. That would be a nice gesture to the few of us who got a week of exposure and a solid response from customers only to have the plug pulled mid-stride.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 21 May 2015, 14:08:55
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 22 May 2015, 00:05:56
Keycap popularity really shot up in the past couple months and now all of sudden the community is flooded with a lot of well thought out keysets but the only thing holding back these keysets from having successful group buys is our wallets.
So TRUE because RETRO is going to seriously rape everyone's wallets and leave huge gape marks that shall last for a month in most cases. Hence don't be so gung-ho in getting this key-set made just yet, give the people of Geekhack some time to recover otherwise it shall be another golden opportunity to own something, that disappears forever because very few can actually front up with the money.
Patience is definitely a virtue here and should be applied just like organizing a military campaign, always makes sure you have the numbers and an arsenal of money before breaching SP's perilous Castle Walls.
Post by: Data on Fri, 22 May 2015, 08:12:00
Keycap popularity really shot up in the past couple months and now all of sudden the community is flooded with a lot of well thought out keysets but the only thing holding back these keysets from having successful group buys is our wallets.
So TRUE because RETRO is going to seriously rape everyone's wallets and leave huge gape marks that shall last for a month in most cases. Hence don't be so gung-ho in getting this key-set made just yet, give the people of Geekhack some time to recover otherwise it shall be another golden opportunity to own something, that disappears forever because very few can actually front up with the money.
Patience is definitely a virtue here and should be applied just like organizing a military campaign, always makes sure you have the numbers and an arsenal of money before breaching SP's perilous Castle Walls.
None of that matters in the new PMK, if things work like Melissa says they will. Once the IC passes the minimum vote threshold, they just make a bunch of them and put them in the keyshop. Then you can buy them at your leisure (assuming they're in stock). They'll be permanent or semi-permanent fixtures in the store.
No more Round X and no more, "I missed the window (despite it being open for a full month) will somebody sell me their set?"
By the way, the IC is still up and we are fast approaching 200 votes. In fact all 3 of the ICs that launched on 5/12 are huge successes from an interest check point of view.
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 22 May 2015, 09:34:37
Post by: HelixDan on Fri, 05 June 2015, 12:06:32
Post by: Muffin860 on Fri, 05 June 2015, 12:36:22
Post by: Data on Fri, 05 June 2015, 20:22:58
I'm assuming Data is rebuilding the submission...There's no option to do that just yet. I assume SP will have an announcement when the new system is ready. If they were smart they'd invite the last few IC leaders to submit their designs to test the process out and get some useful feedback before they release it to the public, and also so they can launch it with some actual content... but that's if they're smart. ;)
Post by: HelixDan on Sat, 06 June 2015, 12:23:50
I'm assuming Data is rebuilding the submission...There's no option to do that just yet. I assume SP will have an announcement when the new system is ready. If they were smart they'd invite the last few IC leaders to submit their designs to test the process out and get some useful feedback before they release it to the public, and also so they can launch it with some actual content... but that's if they're smart. ;)
JUKEBOX a 50's Retro-Futurism Sculpted SA Keycaps Kit drops at the end of the second week in June......
its a bad news for me, i prefer Danger Zone and Carbon SA :(
and SA Rows 3 means the keyform is SA [3-3-3-3-3-3] ????
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 06 June 2015, 22:37:55
JUKEBOX a 50's Retro-Futurism Sculpted SA Keycaps Kit drops at the end of the second week in June......
its a bad news for me, i prefer Danger Zone and Carbon SA :(
and SA Rows 3 means the keyform is SA [3-3-3-3-3-3] ??? ?
Same here, can't wait for Danger and Carbon to load up on their website, it shall be gorgeous having the both of them DPing our wallets to death 8) .
Post by: Data on Mon, 08 June 2015, 16:49:39
I'm assuming Data is rebuilding the submission...There's no option to do that just yet. I assume SP will have an announcement when the new system is ready. If they were smart they'd invite the last few IC leaders to submit their designs to test the process out and get some useful feedback before they release it to the public, and also so they can launch it with some actual content... but that's if they're smart. ;)
JUKEBOX a 50's Retro-Futurism Sculpted SA Keycaps Kit drops at the end of the second week in June......
its a bad news for me, i prefer Danger Zone and Carbon SA :(
and SA Rows 3 means the keyform is SA [3-3-3-3-3-3] ????
Yes, Uniform Row 3 means 3-3-3-3-3-3.
The intent is to cover as many layouts as possible with as few child kits as possible containing the fewest number of unique keys per kit. This keeps costs down and helps the group buy succeed. A fully-sculpted profile requires more keys to gain compatibility with alternate layouts and funky keyboards. A Colemak kit in a sculpted profile can require as many as 30 keys. The same kit in uniform profile requires only 2 (homing).
I have nothing against sculpted keys -- they are the tits. But it was a little more than I was willing to take on for my first key set. All the child kits can get crazy fast and I need to get this right with zero errors, for personal/OCD reasons. ;)
I can't predict when PMK will release the new IC system and storefront. The nice thing about the new setup is that they will keep popular sets in stock in the keyshop, so it won't matter if the timing is good or bad for you whenever an awesome new set drops. You can just buy it later when your wallet isn't being squeezed (is such a thing even possible?).
Post by: Data on Wed, 17 June 2015, 14:54:56
Post by: Data on Mon, 06 July 2015, 14:24:09
Post by: engicoder on Mon, 06 July 2015, 15:04:50
Post by: Data on Mon, 06 July 2015, 16:14:24
I fully expect we will have an update on the situation by the end of September, December at the latest ;)
The Eternal Optimist
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 06 July 2015, 21:12:47
I fully expect we will have an update on the situation by the end of September, December at the latest ;)
The Eternal Optimist
Number one prerequisite here on Geekhack, to always be eternally optimistic 8) .
Post by: Data on Fri, 10 July 2015, 18:53:05
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 10 July 2015, 19:21:11
I emailed Melissa today to see if there was any new information she could share. I'll let everyone know if I hear back.
Awesome, hopefully good news. I know SP isn't doing any SA orders for the near future, was a profile ever decided on for this set? You could always try to go through MD or other outlets should PMK take too long. I'd hate to see this as one of the sets that just kind of fades out.
Post by: Data on Fri, 10 July 2015, 19:29:06
I'm not worried about it fading away. By the sound of it, under the new system I can just throw up the interest check and SP will manufacture the set(s) when it reaches some minimum interest threshold. So it'll get made, probably... eventually. :p
If anything I'd be concerned about QC under the new format. Since there's no formal group buy anymore it's hard to say how they might handle that stuff.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 10 July 2015, 19:31:23
It's SA row 3.
I'm not worried about it fading away. By the sound of it, under the new system I can just throw up the interest check and SP will manufacture the set(s) when it reaches some minimum interest threshold. So it'll get made, probably... eventually. :p
If anything I'd be concerned about QC under the new format. Since there's no formal group buy anymore it's hard to say how they might handle that stuff.
Yeah, I'm trying to be hesitantly optimistic about the new system. But only time will tell.
Post by: IMBoddy on Fri, 10 July 2015, 23:22:56
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 19:51:31
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 11 July 2015, 19:54:32
Anyone run this GB plsss!Right now!
Data, the OP, is the only one that can run it. Currently SP is not taking orders either, so many sets are on hold for the time being.
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sat, 11 July 2015, 19:56:22
I feel SP is like a fcking deadman right now.Not even a slight move!Anyone run this GB plsss!Right now!
Data, the OP, is the only one that can run it. Currently SP is not taking orders either, so many sets are on hold for the time being.
Post by: Snarfangel on Sat, 11 July 2015, 22:13:28
I feel SP is like a fcking deadman right now.Not even a slight move!Anyone run this GB plsss!Right now!
Data, the OP, is the only one that can run it. Currently SP is not taking orders either, so many sets are on hold for the time being.
Well, they did just dump half a ton of keycaps on Massdrop.
(https://d3jqoivu6qpygv.cloudfront.net/img_comment/YRM39R_20150710_112543_OMTNZ.png)
Post by: zabuza1997 on Sun, 12 July 2015, 01:44:00
LoLI feel SP is like a fcking deadman right now.Not even a slight move!Anyone run this GB plsss!Right now!
Data, the OP, is the only one that can run it. Currently SP is not taking orders either, so many sets are on hold for the time being.
Well, they did just dump half a ton of keycaps on Massdrop.Show Image(https://d3jqoivu6qpygv.cloudfront.net/img_comment/YRM39R_20150710_112543_OMTNZ.png)
Post by: Data on Tue, 14 July 2015, 10:30:07
Quote
Sorry [Data]! It is taking our programmers MUCH longer than we anticipated... we don't have an ETA yet, but hopefully very soon!
Melissa Petersen
Signature Plastics LLC
So the waiting continues. :eek:
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 14 July 2015, 20:47:09
Received this reply from Melissa yesterday:QuoteSorry [Data]! It is taking our programmers MUCH longer than we anticipated... we don't have an ETA yet, but hopefully very soon!
Melissa Petersen
Signature Plastics LLC
So the waiting continues. :eek:
Bummer dude...
Post by: zabuza1997 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 12:20:15
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 12:25:23
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 21 July 2015, 12:34:52
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/8zp7fGg.gif)
One of my favorite movie lines of all time was what Data said in Star Trek Generations:
(but since I can't post that, here is one that is funny too...)
(http://media.giphy.com/media/bscKoRR9hFams/giphy.gif)
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:22:11
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 26 July 2015, 15:31:50
Post by: Data on Sun, 26 July 2015, 17:03:45
I have been watching this thread for two months now and I am still going to buy a set whenever pmk gets off their arsesThanks for the support and welcome to GeekHack.
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 30 July 2015, 11:57:38
Post by: HelixDan on Thu, 30 July 2015, 16:56:13
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 July 2015, 20:28:02
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 02 August 2015, 15:09:44
Not sure that's the way to go though, given their very short time frame.
Post by: harlw on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:03:15
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:18:40
Post by: harlw on Thu, 06 August 2015, 15:55:41
Thanks. Some kind of group buy will happen before 2016. I can promise you that much. :p
Perrrrrfect
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:18:14
Thanks. Some kind of group buy will happen before 2016. I can promise you that much. :p
:thumb: Cant wait
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 11 August 2015, 18:02:44
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 11 August 2015, 19:51:35
I don't mind the wait at all, there is already too many key sets and keyboards that I'm planning on purchasing already. I'm heading to college in 9 days so my money flow is dwindling haha.
For Steezus: Oh-no, what about FO: Series III? Feel free to PM me any response.
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For Data, this set still looks fabulous! Row 3 is the way to be!
:thumb:
Post by: Data on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:08:31
:thumb:
For Data, this set still looks fabulous! Row 3 is the way to be!
:thumb:
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:12:23
:thumb:
For Data, this set still looks fabulous! Row 3 is the way to be!
:thumb:
Glad to see great minds think alike, YES Row 3 is the answer here.
Can then apply them onto any type of mechanical keyboard with ease, even all the 1800 series that were ever made or likely to be made :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: :thumb: .
Post by: Data on Sat, 15 August 2015, 20:01:01
Post by: 00zeRO on Sat, 15 August 2015, 20:40:56
The email from PMK today said they had finished with the new web site and were doing some final work on the Interest Checks. They are trying to have it "ready to go within the next few weeks," so we could get things going again soon. I'm going to say if we aren't rolling on the new PMK by the end of September then I'm going to attack this from another angle. We've given them plenty of time.
Fo reels, yo!
+1
Post by: turboloser on Sat, 15 August 2015, 21:22:21
The email from PMK today said they had finished with the new web site and were doing some final work on the Interest Checks. They are trying to have it "ready to go within the next few weeks," so we could get things going again soon. I'm going to say if we aren't rolling on the new PMK by the end of September then I'm going to attack this from another angle. We've given them plenty of time.
Can you actually get the hyperlinks in that email to load? I can't. It just refreshes over and over, doesn't load once I click on them.
And yeah, I know the GB's for them are over, but I still wanted to see what the new layout looked like.
Post by: turboloser on Sun, 23 August 2015, 21:15:34
Post by: Data on Mon, 24 August 2015, 08:41:10
For the love of god PMK.
:llama:
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 August 2015, 15:29:13
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 27 August 2015, 00:56:31
Post by: Elrick on Fri, 28 August 2015, 20:57:19
Wheels are turning, guys. Keep an eye on this space... 8)
Like a demented pervert, shall be resting here for more revelations.......... :-*
Post by: engicoder on Sat, 29 August 2015, 06:46:15
Post by: Data on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:02:39
Post by: Durvid on Thu, 03 September 2015, 10:19:55
Post by: Elrick on Thu, 03 September 2015, 21:09:42
We're getting close. Good things are coming. :-X
You sound like my Mrs........ ;D
Post by: Data on Fri, 04 September 2015, 12:53:17
We're getting close. Good things are coming. :-X
You sound like my Mrs........ ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/beHN9vm.gif)
Post by: just66in on Sat, 05 September 2015, 20:02:05
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 05 September 2015, 23:51:47
Luckily I didn't miss out on this. Will be my 1st row 3 SA keyset
Plus it's all Data's unique Colour-way, so you should cheer him on :thumb: .
Post by: Data on Thu, 10 September 2015, 21:48:59
The timing is obviously not ideal, but I figure we've waited this long, as long as things are in motion we can just continue to wait and I'm sure it will be worth it in the end. At least it's not a 7bit group buy. :D (jk bro, don't taze me)
Post by: engicoder on Thu, 10 September 2015, 22:03:40
At this point I think it's safe to share... that Massdrop approached me a couple of weeks ago about running the Danger Zone group buy through their system and I agreed. The current plan is to run the buy at the end of September, but manufacturing would not begin until December this year as the queue for SA production is currently very long. SP is estimating 8-10 weeks to produce the set, so we would not see delivery until potentially February. That's all I know at the moment and this could change again as the plan solidifies. I'm hoping to have some pricing to share soon.
The timing is obviously not ideal, but I figure we've waited this long, as long as things are in motion we can just continue to wait and I'm sure it will be worth it in the end. At least it's not a 7bit group buy. :D (jk bro, don't taze me)
That's great news! Don't worry about the time frame, its only a few months. People need to learn a little patience anyways. :thumb:
Post by: turboloser on Thu, 10 September 2015, 22:30:44
Post by: Elrick on Sat, 12 September 2015, 00:41:46
That's great news! Don't worry about the time frame, its only a few months. People need to learn a little patience anyways. :thumb:
Geekhack, patience, does not compute...... :-[ ^-^ :)) :o
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 September 2015, 09:29:34
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 14 September 2015, 17:54:29
If all goes well, the drop will begin as soon as this week! :eek:
Glad to see this is finally happening for you and fans of the kit. I will be joining for sure :thumb:
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 18:59:05
If all goes well, the drop will begin as soon as this week! :o
Glad to see this is finally happening for you and fans of the kit. I will be joining for sure :thumb:
Good, so PMK site is now ready for the DANGER ZONE 8) .
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 September 2015, 19:57:31
If all goes well, the drop will begin as soon as this week! :o
Glad to see this is finally happening for you and fans of the kit. I will be joining for sure :thumb:
Good, so PMK site is now ready for the DANGER ZONE 8) .
No, not PMK. This will run on Massdrop. I still haven't heard any movement from SP on the PMK relaunch. They could be another 6 months out on that, for all we know. I'm not going to stick around to find out. We're moving forward with Massdrop.
Also, this drop may be live as soon as tomorrow! :eek: :-X :eek: :-X
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 20:41:56
No, not PMK. This will run on Massdrop. I still haven't heard any movement from SP on the PMK relaunch. They could be another 6 months out on that, for all we know. I'm not going to stick around to find out. We're moving forward with Massdrop.
Also, this drop may be live as soon as tomorrow! :o :-X :o :-X
MassDrop, Brilliant is the word here, so that means this baby shall go through for 10 days max and we'll get to see this set made around December some time or the New Year?
Post by: Data on Mon, 14 September 2015, 20:54:50
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 14 September 2015, 21:07:41
Yeah I think they said it will run for a full 2 weeks (why not? there's time) and production would begin in December, barring any new delays at SP.
Can't wait for this Colour-way because it screams JET Fighter. Ideal for all LANS and when your mates get intimidated by your Danger Zone Keyboard, you've already won the game :thumb: .
Post by: kenlee on Tue, 15 September 2015, 02:43:01
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set
Post by: Elrick on Tue, 15 September 2015, 03:28:48
MD has launched this GB in his web
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set)
The Yellow and Dark Blue is ready for purchase 8) .
Could MassDrop be the end for PMK because why even bother to develop a shop front when we have MD at our disposal ?
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 15 September 2015, 06:56:58
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 08:23:17
WE ARE LIVE! (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set?mode=guest_open)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 15 September 2015, 08:39:16
Is it the more common preference to have all row 3 SA rather than contoured? Or is it less expensive?
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 08:42:41
One of my old neighbors was a blue angels pilot. This colorway really brings me back to my dad working on ships in Norfolk! Its classic!
Is it the more common preference to have all row 3 SA rather than contoured? Or is it less expensive?
No I think sculpted is probably more common, but uniform R3 makes it easier to apply this set to "oddball" keyboards and to use alternate layouts like Colemak/Dvorak without having to piece together big, expensive kits. Expensive kits are harder to sell (thus harder to tip) and more complicated for me to get right, so I wasn't comfortable tackling something that big for my first key set. This one applies the KISS Principle. ;)
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 15 September 2015, 09:04:34
One of my old neighbors was a blue angels pilot. This colorway really brings me back to my dad working on ships in Norfolk! Its classic!
Is it the more common preference to have all row 3 SA rather than contoured? Or is it less expensive?
No I think sculpted is probably more common, but uniform R3 makes it easier to apply this set to "oddball" keyboards and to use alternate layouts like Colemak/Dvorak without having to piece together big, expensive kits. Expensive kits are harder to sell (thus harder to tip) and more complicated for me to get right, so I wasn't comfortable tackling something that big for my first key set. This one applies the KISS Principle. ;)
I've had some time to try out uniform R3 with a Symbiosis set and it feels great! Definitely won't regret queuing for this GB. I'll hurry up and wait now :)
Post by: skullydazed on Tue, 15 September 2015, 09:06:10
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 09:23:10
Congrats! You've done some great work here. Can't wait to get my set, I just wish SP wasn't so backed up with SA orders right now.
Thanks for your support. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:09:21
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=75254
Join us! ;D
Post by: Data on Wed, 24 January 2018, 06:41:23
Updated OP...
Post by: lovetree on Wed, 24 January 2018, 07:03:22
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
What a nice news!
Post by: bkw1209 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 07:21:14
Post by: harlw on Wed, 24 January 2018, 08:14:13
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.Nice! Hit me up if you need me to update any of the graphics or anything. I had to sell my set to pay down my mafia debt ;) boy do I miss it.
Updated OP...
Sent from my SM-G928V using Tapatalk
Post by: 00zeRO on Wed, 24 January 2018, 08:16:30
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.Nice! Hit me up if you need me to update any of the graphics or anything. I had to sell my set to pay down my mafia debt ;) boy do I miss it.
Updated OP...
Sent from my SM-G928V using Tapatalk
*typing on mine right now...hehe!
Post by: ZayaCaps on Wed, 24 January 2018, 09:06:39
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Great to hear! I missed the first sale and always wanted this one.
Post by: Valaris on Wed, 24 January 2018, 10:19:54
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
Good ****, then i can finally finish my set with the novelties!
Post by: hhkbp2 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 10:21:14
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
Great news! Finally hear that it gonna be R2 after such a long time.
Post by: Trousers on Wed, 24 January 2018, 12:54:09
Post by: schmoktopus on Wed, 24 January 2018, 14:18:36
Post by: amnesia0287 on Wed, 24 January 2018, 15:09:13
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
Q4, so probably ships like 2020Q1?
Post by: Data on Thu, 25 January 2018, 06:48:36
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
Q4, so probably ships like 2020Q1?
Yeah, something like that. :D
Post by: OracleKev on Thu, 25 January 2018, 08:33:57
Bumping this to let people know that we will probably get a Round 2 this year, most likely around Q4. I'll post more details as they come available.
Updated OP...
Q4, so probably ships like 2020Q1?
Yeah, something like that. :D
Very excited about this. Why not earlier and 112343? Pretty please?
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 25 January 2018, 09:42:02
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 25 January 2018, 10:13:58
If it were done in DSA, the turnaround may be faster...
If it were done in DSA, it would be DSA...
Post by: Valaris on Thu, 25 January 2018, 10:28:38
If it were done in DSA, the turnaround may be faster...
If it were done in DSA, it would be DSA...
Preach it! I don't mind waiting for SA. Though I am getting more and more eager for SA Oblivion to come in. It was easier before January because my brain just qualified it as "Next Year" but now its like "come on! 4 more months!"
Post by: Data on Thu, 25 January 2018, 10:51:56
If it were done in DSA, the turnaround may be faster...
This is true. But to be honest I don't envision Danger Zone as a DSA set. Maybe a future spinoff. DSA does tend to jive with the set's "flat profile" roots so it does make some sense to try it. A true Round 2 would have to be SA, though.
I'm still toying with the idea of flat vs sculpted profile. I'll be running a Massdrop poll here in the next month or so to see what the community prefers. If there's overwhelming interest in doing a Danger Zone SA sculpt then that's probably the direction we'll take. So stay tuned for that...
Post by: hhkbp2 on Thu, 25 January 2018, 12:57:34
If it were done in DSA, the turnaround may be faster...
This is true. But to be honest I don't envision Danger Zone as a DSA set. Maybe a future spinoff. DSA does tend to jive with the set's "flat profile" roots so it does make some sense to try it. A true Round 2 would have to be SA, though.
I'm still toying with the idea of flat vs sculpted profile. I'll be running a Massdrop poll here in the next month or so to see what the community prefers. If there's overwhelming interest in doing a Danger Zone SA sculpt then that's probably the direction we'll take. So stay tuned for that...
A pull will help. But there are so many sculpted SA keysets already, it doesn't make that much difference to add one more. Personally I prefer to the original all R3 profile, since it's rare and classical as R1.
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 25 January 2018, 13:01:44
(https://i.imgur.com/Oiiv3z6.png)
Ducky Shine 3 Green MX inside a Shine 4 Case
(took the pic in a hurry, sorry so blurry)
Post by: harlw on Thu, 25 January 2018, 13:38:21
(https://i.imgur.com/xgcqMEs.jpg)
And for old time's sake
(https://i.imgur.com/v1WX217.jpg)
Post by: Valaris on Thu, 25 January 2018, 15:46:47
If it were done in DSA, the turnaround may be faster...
This is true. But to be honest I don't envision Danger Zone as a DSA set. Maybe a future spinoff. DSA does tend to jive with the set's "flat profile" roots so it does make some sense to try it. A true Round 2 would have to be SA, though.
I'm still toying with the idea of flat vs sculpted profile. I'll be running a Massdrop poll here in the next month or so to see what the community prefers. If there's overwhelming interest in doing a Danger Zone SA sculpt then that's probably the direction we'll take. So stay tuned for that...
Speaking purely for my own selfish reasons I'd much rather see the exact same set. I've been trying for well over a year to get my hands on the Novelties to go with my base set and I feel this might be my only way to do so.
Post by: Data on Thu, 25 January 2018, 17:10:08
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
Post by: 00zeRO on Sun, 28 January 2018, 16:42:35
(https://i.imgur.com/7qdwuZu.jpg?2)
I do love this set!
Post by: Valaris on Sun, 28 January 2018, 18:56:40
Most (but not all) of the novelties would have to remain R3. It's the only sane way to do a kit like Wingman. So that may be a significant factor in any decision on profiles moving forward.
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
After so much time, I finally found a set of novelties so I'm good. I no longer require R2 to be 3-3-3-3-3!
Post by: zzyjayfree on Wed, 31 January 2018, 22:49:39
Post by: Valaris on Thu, 01 February 2018, 07:54:40
I'll down for a Maverick Pack if doing SA R2.. As I need it RIGHT NOW!
I might have one for sale next week, I'll let you know.
Post by: zzyjayfree on Thu, 01 February 2018, 07:55:46
I'll down for a Maverick Pack if doing SA R2.. As I need it RIGHT NOW!
I might have one for sale next week, I'll let you know.
I can’t thank you enough for this man. Definitely let me know please! I’ll be down for other kits as well :)
A wild Pikachu has appeared!
Post by: zzyjayfree on Thu, 01 February 2018, 07:58:30
Most (but not all) of the novelties would have to remain R3. It's the only sane way to do a kit like Wingman. So that may be a significant factor in any decision on profiles moving forward.
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
If you are planning to make novelty not r3 it will probably be a good idea to make a modifier row? Otherwise the new novelty caps are pretty much useless to R1 participants.
A wild Pikachu has appeared!
Post by: Data on Thu, 01 February 2018, 08:06:18
Most (but not all) of the novelties would have to remain R3. It's the only sane way to do a kit like Wingman. So that may be a significant factor in any decision on profiles moving forward.
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
If you are planning to make novelty not r3 it will probably be a good idea to make a modifier row? Otherwise the new novelty caps are pretty much useless to R1 participants.
A wild Pikachu has appeared!
No that's kinda the opposite of what I said. The novelties would need to stay R3 because most of them are meant to be used anywhere on the board. A few, like in the Wingman Pack, have a specific key that they replace and they don't physically fit anywhere else, so they could correspond to a new row height in a sculpted layout. But I don't yet know if that makes sense for the set as a whole.
Post by: zzyjayfree on Thu, 01 February 2018, 17:10:25
Most (but not all) of the novelties would have to remain R3. It's the only sane way to do a kit like Wingman. So that may be a significant factor in any decision on profiles moving forward.
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
If you are planning to make novelty not r3 it will probably be a good idea to make a modifier row? Otherwise the new novelty caps are pretty much useless to R1 participants.
A wild Pikachu has appeared!
No that's kinda the opposite of what I said. The novelties would need to stay R3 because most of them are meant to be used anywhere on the board. A few, like in the Wingman Pack, have a specific key that they replace and they don't physically fit anywhere else, so they could correspond to a new row height in a sculpted layout. But I don't yet know if that makes sense for the set as a whole.
Ah sorry, I was half awake eating my breakfast when I replied. Looking forward to this R2!
Post by: Oblotzky on Thu, 01 February 2018, 17:18:42
Most (but not all) of the novelties would have to remain R3. It's the only sane way to do a kit like Wingman. So that may be a significant factor in any decision on profiles moving forward.
We'll see. Got months to figure it out.
If you are planning to make novelty not r3 it will probably be a good idea to make a modifier row? Otherwise the new novelty caps are pretty much useless to R1 participants.
A wild Pikachu has appeared!
No that's kinda the opposite of what I said. The novelties would need to stay R3 because most of them are meant to be used anywhere on the board. A few, like in the Wingman Pack, have a specific key that they replace and they don't physically fit anywhere else, so they could correspond to a new row height in a sculpted layout. But I don't yet know if that makes sense for the set as a whole.
Hmm, SA Godspeed novelties are very similar to the ones of this set, and it worked rather well there. It's only a shame to not be able to move 1u novelties around but the rest has to go in a certain location most of the time anyways?
Post by: SeedyOne on Tue, 06 February 2018, 19:55:49
Sharing my latest layout on the Vortex Vibe (Clear MX):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7qdwuZu.jpg?2)
I do love this set!
That EMP cap is excellent, where on earth did you find it?
Post by: ihalatch on Tue, 06 February 2018, 20:04:06
Sharing my latest layout on the Vortex Vibe (Clear MX):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7qdwuZu.jpg?2)
I do love this set!
That EMP cap is excellent, where on earth did you find it?
You can get it here:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=88617.new;topicseen#new
The extras are now available :thumb:
Post by: 00zeRO on Tue, 06 February 2018, 21:48:47
Sharing my latest layout on the Vortex Vibe (Clear MX):Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7qdwuZu.jpg?2)
I do love this set!
That EMP cap is excellent, where on earth did you find it?
Thanks, designed it myself with some help from Matt3o way back when. The DCS version is available from Keypop (http://www.keypop.net/product/translucent-red-emp-keycap). But I am currently selling many others just like it myself in SA Row 1, SA Row 3, and DSA (https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSezeHaWXhM334rdh7ir6BUSu-v8CfmrZ1IFRKpk8UHkonsCvQ/viewform).
Post by: arhetue on Wed, 07 February 2018, 09:42:41
Post by: richfiles on Tue, 13 February 2018, 20:12:16
My current daily driver:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Oiiv3z6.png)
Since we're all sharin'...
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75880.0;attach=156351;image)
I'm kinda shamed to admit this... I've been so busy at my two jobs, busy with my Kerbal Space Program Instrument/Control panel project, wasting time on video games (Zelda, Mario, and Skyrim), that I STILL don't have a working firmware for it, and I STILL don't even have the number pad wired up, much less anything even remotely figured out for dealing with connectivity between the number pad and the main keyboard.
I keep telling myself to jump back into the main keyboard's firmware and finish it, even a temporary main keyboard only firmware... But I keep getting hammered at work. I work two jobs, and one is part time... Except they have me riding the edge of full time hours, and they continually pass it off as no big deal if I bring it up... Understand, this is a job that has continuously had 3-4 employees working my area... And they cut us down to TWO people last year! It's a three station job... That is, to keep a steady work flow, you need to man three areas. With only two people, workflow is stuttered at best, and a drag at worst. We are told other people can help out, which is why they don't need to bring in anyone new, but that's a load of garbage... Everyone is busy in the morning, when we need the help. Instead, people never bother to ask, or if they do, it's at the end of the day when we're already nearly done. The only reason I have not walked out yet, is it's absolutely the most secure job I've ever had. Federally required food testing just doesn't get downturns, period! The hours are quite flexible too, since my department isn't generally critically time sensitive, and it reflects in the options to come in earlier or later... I can't overlook that, though. Ugh... It's frustrating. They got me working so much there, it actually is interfering with my availability to put in hours at my other job (it's intermittent work, based purely on customer orders, but pays VERY well, and it's for a friend and old co-worker from my previous job). I can't rely on the second job as a reliable income, but when I DO get work there, it's lucrative! I can work two or three days, and have a week or two's pay, compared to my main job. While part time doesn't sound all that great, I live in a reasonably affordable area, and I value my time, and I live cheaply. I was happy with the extra time... I don't have that anymore. /:
Doesn't help that when you're beat after a long day of really crappy work, the Switch is oh so easy to pick up and play... Wracking my brain over code I don't really get, or Stupid Sexy Zelda, or Stupid Sexy Khajiit (with wares for those with coin)... It's a touch choice... LOL
I suspect it would take me VERY little to finish a basic firmware to at least get the main keyboard up and running, but that's not even considering the number pad though. It's still not even done, and the last time I worked on it was March... LAST year.
This is a truly epic key cap set. One of the best I've ever seen!
I'll also say one more thing... Those two Master Arm keys will forever be proof of all of us who bought into the first run of this! LOL :P
Post by: Data on Wed, 14 February 2018, 06:20:30
My current daily driver:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Oiiv3z6.png)
Since we're all sharin'...Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=75880.0;attach=156351;image)
(https://i.imgur.com/nkT0Olt.png)
Post by: richfiles on Thu, 15 February 2018, 00:04:21
Bruh
I knooooow! I'm embarrassed by this! I'm actually thinking of retooling my LED lighting plan, to ease coding. Thing is, I'm not really sure that it makes things easier or not, seeing as how I don't actually understand the coding aspect enough to really implement it. I also don't know if it really applies to any existing firmwares... Maybe ones that expect some sort of "smart LED".
I realized that if I stick with PWM brightness controls, that's easy on my main keyboard, but actually rather difficult on my numberpad. I'd have to command active PWM over the I2C bus. That sounds for a recipe for lagging the software, and just... Ugh... Not good. I don't even know how to get the hot swap working yet! Ugh! I have a bunch of Digital to Analog converter chips that run on I2C. I'm now thinking that I could just grab two, tack them onto the I2C bus, one inside the main keyboard, and one in the number pad. I just write a value to the DACs over I2C, and I can just set 'em and forget 'em. Way simpler than managing active PWM, and also, eliminates any flicker. My question then... Will any firmwares actually let me DO that...
Second issue is the hot swap itself. I have to imagine that any code to communicate with I2C needs a timeout function, as a precaution (incase noise int he electrical connection causes a hiccup in communication). I don't want lack of a response over the I2C bus to hang the firmware. Generally, I'm just looking at reading the digital state of a sense wire. If it detects one logic state, it would enable I2C communication and scan the number pad portion of the matrix, and if it detects the other state, It would skip the I2C communication with the numberpad's port expander chip (and LED DAC), and would instead just dump null values into the matrix scan corresponding to the number pad keys.
I think...
I mean, I GET what needs to happen... I just don't know C even remotely well enough to even begin to start figuring out how. Too many distractions, mostly work, sometimes other projects, or lazy-itis and vidya games when i'm beat, from work) have all killed any attempts to actually learn C...
On a positive note, I DID learn KiCAD (through work, of all things), and now know how to design proper PCBs. I really should do a PCB for my layout someday. That, I actually know how to do now! I even got paid to learn how to use the software!
But yeah... I hear your "Bruh", I hear ya... ;_;
Post by: 00zeRO on Thu, 15 February 2018, 13:11:26
My current daily driver:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Oiiv3z6.png)
I'll also say one more thing... Those two Master Arm keys will forever be proof of all of us who bought into the first run of this! LOL :P
^ :highfive: to this! Forever since SP has been less than helpful regarding getting replacements XD
Post by: theKM on Tue, 27 February 2018, 16:40:48
Post by: Rdoxey on Mon, 05 March 2018, 21:07:49
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 27 March 2018, 17:20:23
Post by: Data on Tue, 27 March 2018, 19:16:00
Post by: Data on Fri, 30 March 2018, 20:09:53
Here are the options.
FLAT - same as Round 1
(https://i.imgur.com/jbFWLyQ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FuXoyXG.png)
SCULPTED - 112343
(https://i.imgur.com/WGxmyiI.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lsUl5A9.png)
If you're having trouble telling the difference you're not alone. :D It's very subtle. Your fingers will know.
Here's the complete Imgur album in case the embedded renders stop working: https://imgur.com/a/co1oI
Now, on to the poll...
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdKpjp_NrZZijBdUSvdocqffqD4MQL8UAVB23oCaPnmS6kSwg/viewform
I'm letting this run for a while, maybe up to a month before I shut it down. Please only vote once. I'm always watching... :-X
Post by: keebwarrior on Fri, 30 March 2018, 22:29:18
Post by: Haaaaaandrew on Sat, 31 March 2018, 15:55:53
Post by: Darknight00z on Thu, 05 April 2018, 13:53:07
Post by: Valaris on Thu, 05 April 2018, 14:10:11
Post by: TastyNico on Thu, 05 April 2018, 14:16:02
Post by: smithyithy on Thu, 05 April 2018, 15:44:26
Massdrop or naa?
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 30 July 2018, 10:01:47
Post by: Data on Mon, 30 July 2018, 11:22:28
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 30 July 2018, 13:35:07
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 30 July 2018, 16:24:58
I have no problem supporting the MiniVan in a 40s kit if there's sufficient interest. 40s kits can have trouble reaching MOQ sometimes so whatever helps alleviate the pressure. You'll have to tell me what keys are unique to the MiniVan and their sizes.
That’s great to hear!! I’ll have to get back to you on exactly which keys. Recent 40s kits that included compatibility that come to mind are SA Carbon and XDA Canvas. Of course they included compatibility for other great 40% boards as well.
Post by: Haaaaaandrew on Sat, 25 August 2018, 04:58:21
Now, on to the poll...
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSdKpjp_NrZZijBdUSvdocqffqD4MQL8UAVB23oCaPnmS6kSwg/viewform
I'm letting this run for a while, maybe up to a month before I shut it down. Please only vote once. I'm always watching... :-X
It's been a while since I have checked this thread and noticed the poll is closed. Any word on the results?
Post by: otanishock on Sat, 25 August 2018, 15:52:19
Post by: 00zeRO on Mon, 27 August 2018, 19:25:26
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Mon, 27 August 2018, 23:02:24
I know I have sworn to never do full sets, but I'm so tempted to do something very similar to this colorway in DSA...
:thumb:
Post by: Hedgey on Wed, 29 August 2018, 13:42:06
Post by: Data on Thu, 30 August 2018, 06:22:07
I really do hope this set get's made as sculpted SA at some point. Especially since I was not around for the first run.
Well then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :cool:
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 30 August 2018, 07:09:01
I really do hope this set get's made as sculpted SA at some point. Especially since I was not around for the first run.
Well then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :cool:
Hey we don't do teaser like that here. We need dates and solid plan 😎😎. I want to jump on this so bad haha. Can't wait no more.
Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 30 August 2018, 09:10:08
Don't tease me. I'm ready to drop some significant dough to have this set in a sculpted profile. :thumb:
Well then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :cool:
Post by: Haaaaaandrew on Fri, 31 August 2018, 09:20:02
Well then I think you'll be pleasantly surprised. :cool:
interest intensifies
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 31 August 2018, 09:58:38
Can you give any timeline for this drop?? A hint anything to keep us sane. I missed this set last time, n kick myself for it everytime I see its pics. Super excited that it will be offered in sculpted SA profile this time.
Post by: Haaaaaandrew on Fri, 31 August 2018, 15:12:38
Hi Data,
Can you give any timeline for this drop?? A hint anything to keep us sane. I missed this set last time, n kick myself for it everytime I see its pics. Super excited that it will be offered in sculpted SA profile this time.
On massdrop Data had mentioned Q4 2018, wonder if that's still the plan? https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set/talk/1944901?utm_source=linkshare&referer=8ZSQ5V (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set/talk/1944901?utm_source=linkshare&referer=8ZSQ5V)
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 20 September 2018, 00:17:04
Post by: otanishock on Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:12:01
Post by: Darknight00z on Tue, 02 October 2018, 08:36:24
Post by: otanishock on Thu, 04 October 2018, 23:26:26
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 05 October 2018, 09:21:23
Got no problem with lead time for a set this good. There's always a catch and sometimes you just gotta deal with it. Still hoping for a drop soon though. We need more SA, more than ever with all these GMK popping up.
+1, OK with wait times for SP. MaxKey is not there yet in terms of quality. Hoping that some exciting kits are offered in this drop.
Post by: Data on Mon, 08 October 2018, 07:16:29
- We are on MD's schedule for EARLY JANUARY. That could fluctuate a little but that's where we stand at the moment. No idea what that means for manufacturing (SP).
- Sculpted SA profile was preferred almost 2 to 1 over flat R3. So that'll be our profile for Round 2. I'm in process of reorganizing the kits and Oblotzky has graciously agreed to make some more renders for us.
Good things coming... It won't be long now.
Post by: OracleKev on Mon, 08 October 2018, 07:22:28
Hi guys. Things are beginning to solidify with Massdrop. I've got a big update coming up but here's some info to tide you over:
- We are on MD's schedule for EARLY JANUARY. That could fluctuate a little but that's where we stand at the moment. No idea what that means for manufacturing (SP).
- Sculpted SA profile was preferred almost 2 to 1 over flat R3. So that'll be our profile for Round 2. I'm in process of reorganizing the kits and Oblotzky has graciously agreed to make some more renders for us.
Good things coming... It won't be long now.
EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT NEWS.
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 08 October 2018, 07:35:07
Hi guys. Things are beginning to solidify with Massdrop. I've got a big update coming up but here's some info to tide you over:
- We are on MD's schedule for EARLY JANUARY. That could fluctuate a little but that's where we stand at the moment. No idea what that means for manufacturing (SP).
- Sculpted SA profile was preferred almost 2 to 1 over flat R3. So that'll be our profile for Round 2. I'm in process of reorganizing the kits and Oblotzky has graciously agreed to make some more renders for us.
Good things coming... It won't be long now.
Good good good. Very good haha. As long as I can lock it in. Lead time with SP is expected now so just gotta be patient 👌
Post by: Hedgey on Mon, 08 October 2018, 10:21:10
Post by: mimalik on Tue, 09 October 2018, 13:00:18
Post by: CptSpck on Sun, 21 October 2018, 22:21:00
Post by: otanishock on Mon, 22 October 2018, 08:25:14
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 19 November 2018, 07:05:35
Post by: mimalik on Thu, 22 November 2018, 09:04:38
Post by: lovetree on Thu, 22 November 2018, 09:24:05
Is this still dropping in 2018? Q4 doesn't have much weeks left.
Read above post by OP
Post by: Darknight00z on Mon, 10 December 2018, 15:30:29
My wallet is beaten to tatters.
Post by: mimalik on Sun, 30 December 2018, 22:49:27
Hi guys. Things are beginning to solidify with Massdrop. I've got a big update coming up but here's some info to tide you over:
- We are on MD's schedule for EARLY JANUARY. That could fluctuate a little but that's where we stand at the moment. No idea what that means for manufacturing (SP).
- Sculpted SA profile was preferred almost 2 to 1 over flat R3. So that'll be our profile for Round 2. I'm in process of reorganizing the kits and Oblotzky has graciously agreed to make some more renders for us.
Good things coming... It won't be long now.
Hi Data,
Any further updates on this? I am assuming we are still on track for early Jan, but this thread has gone quiet lately.
Post by: dsaf on Thu, 03 January 2019, 01:27:44
Post by: ilouis_07 on Thu, 03 January 2019, 03:04:25
Post by: Neodeus on Fri, 04 January 2019, 10:15:04
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 04 January 2019, 20:25:08
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Post by: chouyu on Sat, 05 January 2019, 09:54:46
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 11 January 2019, 08:13:28
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 11 January 2019, 13:20:33
All the rumours of this set dropping on MD in early Jan, appears to be just that. Slightly down but will wait patiently for this drop to happen :'( :'( :'( :'(Same, I’m patiently waiting for it too.
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Post by: mimalik on Wed, 16 January 2019, 17:00:20
Post by: clik_clak on Wed, 16 January 2019, 17:05:21
Are the original sets going to get added in? The sets here are awesome, but it seems like more than half of the original sets are missing, including the novelties
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 16 January 2019, 17:23:08
So uhhh...
Are the original sets going to get added in? The sets here are awesome, but it seems like more than half of the original sets are missing, including the novelties
Even though, I was looking forward to additional kits, I’m fine w/ what Massdrop is shows, if that is it.
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Post by: mimalik on Wed, 16 January 2019, 17:32:41
So uhhh...
Are the original sets going to get added in? The sets here are awesome, but it seems like more than half of the original sets are missing, including the novelties
Yes. So surprised to not see all the kits which made it special.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Wed, 16 January 2019, 19:52:36
Thanks for confirming more kits will be added. I was fine w/ what MD showed, but more the better! Again, thanks!So uhhh...
Are the original sets going to get added in? The sets here are awesome, but it seems like more than half of the original sets are missing, including the novelties
Yes. So surprised to not see all the kits which made it special.
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Post by: hhkbp2 on Thu, 17 January 2019, 02:02:08
So uhhh...
Are the original sets going to get added in? The sets here are awesome, but it seems like more than half of the original sets are missing, including the novelties
Yes. So surprised to not see all the kits which made it special.
+1. Would miss those kits and special legends.
Post by: AaronR on Thu, 17 January 2019, 04:29:20
Post by: online on Fri, 18 January 2019, 13:41:05
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:11:55
No space bar kit? Sad....
More kits will be available, check out discussion page, pricing details are pending I believe.
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:31:21
No space bar kit? Sad....
More kits will be available, check out discussion page, pricing details are pending I believe.
More kits were added since I posted initially about the lack of kits. Hopefully they'll continue to add at least a couple more.
On a side note, good on them for adding a 1.75u shift to the default mods kit. Hopefully this means having to spend $40-60 more on another kit just to get that one key will go away in future GB's too.
Post by: 82d28a on Fri, 18 January 2019, 14:54:54
No space bar kit? Sad....
More kits will be available, check out discussion page, pricing details are pending I believe.
More kits were added since I posted initially about the lack of kits. Hopefully they'll continue to add at least a couple more.
On a side note, good on them for adding a 1.75u shift to the default mods kit. Hopefully this means having to spend $40-60 more on another kit just to get that one key will go away in future GB's too.
I agree! There is so much wasted keycaps all for one 1.75. Heres is to more kits with 1.75 shifts in 2019.
Post by: iruoy on Fri, 18 January 2019, 17:23:24
Post by: pcire on Fri, 18 January 2019, 17:29:48
Soo is this the same? https://www.massdrop.com/buy/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set
It is!
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:17:14
Post by: pcire on Mon, 21 January 2019, 16:19:41
Updated with new kits! Still not everything though...
What’s missing?
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 21 January 2019, 17:30:08
(http://i.imgur.com/yVzWzhP.png).
2. WASD Kit.
(http://i.imgur.com/Cjmt0wB.png).
https://deskthority.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=10109&start=
Post by: MikeTheTiger on Tue, 22 January 2019, 23:01:59
Post by: Data on Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:20:59
@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
Post by: clik_clak on Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:26:11
@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
TBH, I'm not a big fan of how this MD GB is being run. I'm willing to bet that you will be missing out on buyers for the kits since people have already purchased and won't see any need to go back to the page to see if additional kits are available. And now less than a week left and not all kits are approved? Come on...This is how you run a less successful GB.
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:43:59
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 24 January 2019, 12:53:06
This drop is a mess.Yes, I agree. Looks like MD is doing why that want, not what the OP (& many of us) envisioned. I was really looking forward to that JD40/45 kit.
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Post by: Hedgey on Thu, 24 January 2019, 13:16:49
@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
Probably gonna need to get the drop extended. I'm not ready to purchase until everything is out there. This really seemed like a mess to be honest.....
Post by: dsaf on Thu, 24 January 2019, 14:14:23
Post by: William_S_Jones on Thu, 24 January 2019, 14:28:59
Same here, hopefully, all the necessary kits get added, then I will join too.@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
Probably gonna need to get the drop extended. I'm not ready to purchase until everything is out there. This really seemed like a mess to be honest.....
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Post by: mimalik on Thu, 24 January 2019, 15:01:39
Same here, hopefully, all the necessary kits get added, then I will join too.@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
A little bit messy keeps it intersting, not sure what may or may not makes it. But the good thing is changes have been in + direction so far.
Probably gonna need to get the drop extended. I'm not ready to purchase until everything is out there. This really seemed like a mess to be honest.....
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Post by: Data on Fri, 25 January 2019, 07:24:01
@Data where are the arrows in the ortho kit?
There are Arrow, Alt Function, and Space kits on the way. They were submitted late so we're waiting for approval and pricing. Keep an eye on the Drop Description.
Probably gonna need to get the drop extended. I'm not ready to purchase until everything is out there. This really seemed like a mess to be honest.....
It's out of my hands now. An extension is unlikely, in my experience. Wait at your own risk. It is strange that the group buy period was shorter than some previous SA sets. I think MD made commitments to SP that they didn't share with me. The comparatively short production time is evidence of that.
They have a strange rule where only one primary keyset drop is running at a time. Given that the next one is a food-themed red-colored GMK drop I see no harm in an overlap.
This was done for budgeting reasons. People complained that there were too many key sets running too often and they couldn't afford to buy them that frequently. Custom key caps are expensive. So MD spaced them out more to give each one its best chance at maximum buyers. /shrug
Post by: Hedgey on Fri, 25 January 2019, 09:59:05
It's out of my hands now. An extension is unlikely, in my experience. Wait at your own risk. It is strange that the group buy period was shorter than some previous SA sets. I think MD made commitments to SP that they didn't share with me. The comparatively short production time is evidence of that.
I feel like you got kind of screwed with this drop. It should be a much bigger deal and yet it was almost "hushed" into Massdrop. I hope you have success with it because I love this keyset so much.
Post by: megaforce on Fri, 25 January 2019, 10:06:05
you hate to see it
Post by: laserbeamspewpew on Fri, 25 January 2019, 10:17:43
Post by: clik_clak on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:21:40
If an extension is unlikely, perhaps MD will buy out all/most of the kits to resell in a Keycap Recap, like what they did with GMK Carbon.
It's still highly concerning that there's a week left and they don't even have all the kits posted in the buy.
Post by: William_S_Jones on Fri, 25 January 2019, 11:51:07
Yes, same reason. i’m waiting. i will wait til the last day, & if not their on the last day, I’ll just buy he alpha kits & make decision on a kit that works best with the JD40 or a similar 40% (not the planck kit, need more than 1u caps).If an extension is unlikely, perhaps MD will buy out all/most of the kits to resell in a Keycap Recap, like what they did with GMK Carbon.
It's still highly concerning that there's a week left and they don't even have all the kits posted in the buy.
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Post by: Data on Fri, 25 January 2019, 12:12:13
It's out of my hands now. An extension is unlikely, in my experience. Wait at your own risk. It is strange that the group buy period was shorter than some previous SA sets. I think MD made commitments to SP that they didn't share with me. The comparatively short production time is evidence of that.
I feel like you got kind of screwed with this drop. It should be a much bigger deal and yet it was almost "hushed" into Massdrop. I hope you have success with it because I love this keyset so much.
Thanks. I'm not completely blameless in all this. We didn't run as thorough of an IC as we did in Round 1, despite having the time for it, and we should have. That's on me. Also some of the kit designs weren't finalized until late in the process and that made for a confusing start. Some of that is my fault.
I don't feel like I'm being screwed though. I don't really expect to get anything out of this. That's not why I do it -- I just want to make cool keyboards. So if anything it's the fans getting kind of screwed. The price is a bit higher this time and that's definitely a factor. But there's enough here to cover the most common keyboard layouts, so I think most people will be satisfied when the drop ends... and especially when caps get delivered sometime in July (I hope that date is real!).
Post by: mimalik on Fri, 25 January 2019, 12:33:11
It's out of my hands now. An extension is unlikely, in my experience. Wait at your own risk. It is strange that the group buy period was shorter than some previous SA sets. I think MD made commitments to SP that they didn't share with me. The comparatively short production time is evidence of that.
I feel like you got kind of screwed with this drop. It should be a much bigger deal and yet it was almost "hushed" into Massdrop. I hope you have success with it because I love this keyset so much.
Thanks. I'm not completely blameless in all this. We didn't run as thorough of an IC as we did in Round 1, despite having the time for it, and we should have. That's on me. Also some of the kit designs weren't finalized until late in the process and that made for a confusing start. Some of that is my fault.
I don't feel like I'm being screwed though. I don't really expect to get anything out of this. That's not why I do it -- I just want to make cool keyboards. So if anything it's the fans getting kind of screwed. The price is a bit higher this time and that's definitely a factor. But there's enough here to cover the most common keyboard layouts, so I think most people will be satisfied when the drop ends... and especially when caps get delivered sometime in July (I hope that date is real!).
Honestly I am glad that it has been dropped again after a long wait. Cant believe that this round got shafted by copyrights law, but thats another discussion. Folks worried about late arrival of kits, does it matters as long as they are available before drop ends? Love the fact that keys will be delivered around 6 months than typical 1 year wait for SP.
Post by: dsaf on Mon, 28 January 2019, 13:21:15
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Post by: pcire on Mon, 28 January 2019, 13:23:57
Kits updated - time to go all in!Show Image(https://massdrop-s3.imgix.net/product-images/danger-zone-sa-keycap-set/FP/6i4W97MbRFuTIxKYxybI_arrows.jpg?auto=format&fm=jpg&fit=max&w=412&h=600&dpr=3.5&q=14)
That's what I wanted to hear, but not what my wallet wanted to hear.
Post by: bwolmarans on Thu, 26 December 2019, 15:28:41
Post by: richfiles on Thu, 26 December 2019, 17:29:34
I love how Danger Zone looks with profiled keys. I wanted to buy in, but the wallet said nope! Oh well.
I still got my first gen R3 Danger Zone set, so I'm quite happy.