Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:19:39
*MIRA*
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(https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/image/0505/mira_illustration.jpg)
(image source: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050505.html)
(image source: https://apod.nasa.gov/apod/ap050505.html)
An astronomy-inspired keyboard design, named after the Mira binary star system (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mira) (also known as Omicron Ceti or "o Ceti".) The MIRA logo shows two stars orbiting each other: a red giant and a white dwarf. The font of the logo is inspired by that of an older NASA insignia.
Link to Group Buy thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87310.0
>>>CLICK HERE FOR INFORMATION ABOUT THE POLL FOR PINK AND BLUE COLORS<<< (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2343563#msg2343563)
COLOR OPTIONS FOR THE POLL : http://imgur.com/a/JYOuh
The Latest IC Status and Information from NinjaDoc's updates:
Long story short, DrHubblePhD had started this IC and then ended up leaving the project. The idea was continued to be developed by those interested in seeing it to completion, and ninjadoc (who has put in a tremendous amount of work into the process!) is currently leading the project.
I have permission/encouragement to give credit were credit is due - Asilan has done a lot of hard work on the Cad files at the end.
We started with Hubble's files, YukTsi redid them, and then the final changes were done by Asilan and everyone's hard work is greatly appreciated. Limitz has given me endless encouragement when I've been ready to flush this down the drain and has kept me going many times when I started to say "screw it" and close the thread.
Early rendering:
(http://i.imgur.com/rVulWrl.jpg)
The latest prototype:
(http://i.imgur.com/tBpDOWN.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/yWl2ob5.jpg)
NEW >> MIRA Prototype album with 2 colors: http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
Design sketch: (source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2345948#msg2345948))
(http://i.imgur.com/5BaLgaIl.jpg)
Current status: ((source) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2320796#msg2320796))
"First – the current prototypes are here http://imgur.com/a/PWJdb
It will have the famous O’Mira above the keypad and probably SE on the back by the USB hole.
The SE may or may not have a brass inlay.
The plan for now is to offer it with stainless steel weights but brass may be considered but will not be nickel coated and will be subject to corrosion.
I plan to offer the colors of black, silver, and grey/titanium but one or two other colors may be offered depending on the anodizing available.
I expect to be able to offer stainless steel and aluminum plates and the aluminum plates can be anodized. The plates do not allow switch top removal, that may change depending on time available to make that change.
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit."
"Assuming everything works out and I can stay out of the hospital I want to start the group buy in January. I haven’t thought of the ordering period yet but as long as the manufacturer can handle the numbers I do not plan on capping out the amount sold. It is possible that it would have to go in two or more stages depending on the capability of myself and the manufacturer to move the product. The plan is for the Mira to be boxed similar to the TX-87 and the TX-CP which should prevent damage. The quality control will be done at the factory and I can’t be help responsible for minor defects but anything like the damages occurred by the LZ-FE will be taken care of.
Timeline:
1) Ordering or verifying ordering around 2 weeks
2) Payment two weeks for price of the board, shipping will be billed separately.
3) From time of payment to the manufacturer to my door should be about 12 weeks. I may try to have the boards sent directly to other countries that have several orders to a proxy to cut down cost. Canada would definitely be a country I would like to do this with.
4) Cost – has not been finalized due to all details haven’t been worked out but I would expect the cost to be between $400 - $425 + the shipping to your home. The shipping from the manufacturer will be included in the original cost and is less when shipped in bulk. "
The first 57 orders* will have numbered plates and will also get transparent screw-in gold-plated stabilizers, courtesy to Zeal (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2320860#msg2320860).
- Disclaimer: *those who have put down "deposits" early on when DrHubblePhD still collected them and have secured a number, some of which have now been re-sold.
- The latest spreadsheets with usernames and claimed numbers: post by FrostyToast (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2345205#msg2345205)
There will be a custom box for each MIRA kit: http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F
(http://i.imgur.com/PLoxUmk.jpg)
There will be an acrylic diffuser that is integral to the keyboard case. (source) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2323210#msg2323210)
Both winkey and winkeyless versions will be offered. (source) (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2342684#msg2342684)
Update from January 17, 2017: (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2342142#msg2342142)
Group Buy Start Date: late January.
The GB will be open for about 2 weeks.
"The first 57 will be numbered, the others will not. Production may have to go in waves, beginning with 57 then 60, then 60 but that is only a possibility. Items will be shipped directly from China to avoid duty fees,two shipping, and me going crazier. The estimate is around $40 - $50 but could be a little less or a little more along the Duck or TGR prices.
QA - the boxes is expected to prevent damage in shipment and my understanding is boards with major damage will be replaced.
The Chinese New Year Begins on the 20th so I'm verifying available colors prior to then and prior to the poll. The Chinese New Year is quite an event and there is a lot of information about it here - http://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/festivals/chinese-new-year-celebration.htm
Our celebration pales in comparison.
I will limit the colors to 5, a cyan is available and a pink is available. The poll will be about the blue/cyan and the shade of pink. If you want your opinion to count, please vote. Black, silver, and grey are set.
Thank you for your patience, unless something really goes bad this GB should occur and start within the next 7 days. Thank all of you that have helped in this project.
Future - keypad, design has been discuses but not started. 75% - design also has been discussed. 65% will be a shrinkage of the 75% and probably a few modifications and the HHKB option will be available. A Full size is possible but a poll would be done prior to that beginning. IC would be done on all of the above."
Update #2 from January 17, 2017: (https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=post;quote=2342620;topic=70149.2300) - Pricing
Sorry about the delay - I had a family function and was delayed.
These are the approximate prices, they might be lower but they certainly shouldn't be higher.
Mira SE
Stainless weight and aluminum plate $ 400
Brass weight and aluminum plate $ 385
Steel weight and steel plate $ 420
Brass weight and steel plate $ 400
That is as close to the stated goal of $400 as I can get.
Thanks again for your patience with me.
Original [mostly outdated] information from the initial Interest Check by DrHubblePhD.
Click to read the original Interest Check for the Astronomy-themed "MIRA" keyboard: and see early renders:
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The Hubble Mira
(http://i.imgur.com/kfxyKH0.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SQ4px0h.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
CHECK YOUR NUMBER!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
What does this mean?
In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
How will this all work?
At 8:30pm EST on the 21st a link will be posted to a google form. This form will ask the basics such as your name, phone number, etc.. as well as your first, second, and third choices when it comes to the custom number that will be engraved on your Mira center weight (1 through 57 only). You will also be able to specify whether or not you intend on asking for assembly services when the full sale happens.
Pre orders are non-refundable however there is no obligation to make the complete purchase if the full price of the board is prohibitively expensive. We expect the board to cost in the $350 to $400 range. I have worked hard to get the cost of the pre order down as low as possible so that it is a low risk investment!
early renders
What is a Mira?
The Mira is a not so secret design that I have been working on for over a month at this point. NOTHING HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FINALIZED, a prototype will likely be a stage of this buy. It has a lot of design features worth discussing but first some background (i.e what the hell is a Mira?):
Mira (Omicron Ceti) is the name of a binary, variable, star system in the constellation Cetus. It consists of a red giant A star and a white dwarf companion B star. For those who aren't familiar with these terms, a binary system is a system consisting of two orbiting stars. While this may seem exotic, there is a significant percentage of star systems that consist of two or more stars. As for the term "variable," there are classes of stars existing in transition regions off the main sequence that exhibit variable behavior. That is that they have apparent brightness that change over time. Mira A is an example of a some 6-7000 known "Mira variables" named after this well known object. Its change in brightness is caused when the entire star expands and contracts on a 100+ day time scale.
Enough science, let's talk keyboards!
The board is inspired by these astronomical factoids as well as some other fun space themes. For example, the Mira logo containing two circles represents the binary relationship of the Mira system and the (not to scale) size difference between the red giant and white dwarf. The side profile for the Mira is inspired by the NASA chevron with a clean "sweeping" curve.
Facts about the potential group buy:
The Mira will be a limited run of 100 boards (hopefully with the unique number engraved). The first 57 boards that are reserved (after the number of years NASA has been operating) will come with gold stabs from ZealPC! The remaining orders will receive the same items but standard stabilizers. More from ZealPC as he unveils his secret item (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) expect this awesome item to be a part of the buy as well. The number of the board will be assigned in the order they are reserved, as a result, some sort of down payment will likely be required upon ordering. Ordering will start as soon as the Group Buy is posted at a preset date and time.
Mira currently features:
Since the b.Mira will only have controller parts pre-soldered, I will probably be offering diode and resistor soldering (done by myself) as an add-on in the buy.
Big thanks to ZealPC as well as Winkeyless for helping me organize and provide the full product for this buy! Also big thanks to NinjaDoc for helping me locate and communicate with our CNC shop that has so far done a fantastic job. Lastly, thanks for Frostytoast for helping us purchase prototype PCBs from Winkeyless
Feel free to ask any questions below! Comment if you are interested, be sure to include what colors, layouts, ect. you would like to see!
(http://i.imgur.com/kfxyKH0.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SQ4px0h.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
CHECK YOUR NUMBER!
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
What does this mean?
In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
How will this all work?
At 8:30pm EST on the 21st a link will be posted to a google form. This form will ask the basics such as your name, phone number, etc.. as well as your first, second, and third choices when it comes to the custom number that will be engraved on your Mira center weight (1 through 57 only). You will also be able to specify whether or not you intend on asking for assembly services when the full sale happens.
Pre orders are non-refundable however there is no obligation to make the complete purchase if the full price of the board is prohibitively expensive. We expect the board to cost in the $350 to $400 range. I have worked hard to get the cost of the pre order down as low as possible so that it is a low risk investment!
early renders
More
(http://i.imgur.com/MI0jkbh.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rVulWrl.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/oI6VczY.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/rVulWrl.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/oI6VczY.jpg)
What is a Mira?
The Mira is a not so secret design that I have been working on for over a month at this point. NOTHING HAS BEEN COMPLETELY FINALIZED, a prototype will likely be a stage of this buy. It has a lot of design features worth discussing but first some background (i.e what the hell is a Mira?):
Mira (Omicron Ceti) is the name of a binary, variable, star system in the constellation Cetus. It consists of a red giant A star and a white dwarf companion B star. For those who aren't familiar with these terms, a binary system is a system consisting of two orbiting stars. While this may seem exotic, there is a significant percentage of star systems that consist of two or more stars. As for the term "variable," there are classes of stars existing in transition regions off the main sequence that exhibit variable behavior. That is that they have apparent brightness that change over time. Mira A is an example of a some 6-7000 known "Mira variables" named after this well known object. Its change in brightness is caused when the entire star expands and contracts on a 100+ day time scale.
Enough science, let's talk keyboards!
The board is inspired by these astronomical factoids as well as some other fun space themes. For example, the Mira logo containing two circles represents the binary relationship of the Mira system and the (not to scale) size difference between the red giant and white dwarf. The side profile for the Mira is inspired by the NASA chevron with a clean "sweeping" curve.
Facts about the potential group buy:
The Mira will be a limited run of 100 boards (hopefully with the unique number engraved). The first 57 boards that are reserved (after the number of years NASA has been operating) will come with gold stabs from ZealPC! The remaining orders will receive the same items but standard stabilizers. More from ZealPC as he unveils his secret item (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) expect this awesome item to be a part of the buy as well. The number of the board will be assigned in the order they are reserved, as a result, some sort of down payment will likely be required upon ordering. Ordering will start as soon as the Group Buy is posted at a preset date and time.
Mira currently features:
- The custom b.Mira PCB from Winkeyless featuring his standard reprogramability functions and LED support, only controller parts will be pre-soldered (see below for more info)
- An engraved stainless Steel weight, slotted in the back of the case
- A full aluminum case
- 9 degree incline
- A SS or alu plate which will support both 87 and 84 (Winkeyless with built in blockers, not shown above)
- Gold plated stabilizer wire and cherry stabs for the first 57 buyers and standard wire for remaining purchases
Since the b.Mira will only have controller parts pre-soldered, I will probably be offering diode and resistor soldering (done by myself) as an add-on in the buy.
Big thanks to ZealPC as well as Winkeyless for helping me organize and provide the full product for this buy! Also big thanks to NinjaDoc for helping me locate and communicate with our CNC shop that has so far done a fantastic job. Lastly, thanks for Frostytoast for helping us purchase prototype PCBs from Winkeyless
Feel free to ask any questions below! Comment if you are interested, be sure to include what colors, layouts, ect. you would like to see!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:20:00
(http://i.imgur.com/UcNt52z.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7EaGs8H.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/MET1DtR.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12m.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SQ4px0h.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/kfxyKH0.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/KlQVwqE.jpg)
color renders
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(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/MI0jkbh.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
Post by: PunksDead on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:20:41
Post by: HPE1000 on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:27:50
Post by: Sygaldry on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:32:15
Post by: Synjin on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:35:53
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:36:00
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:41:31
<3
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:47:38
Post by: MGH on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:48:24
Post by: geogga on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:49:35
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:54:03
This looks great, I like it more the Orion V2 since it's less flashy. I'm interested.
Interested in this. ICs for TKLs have been popping up lately, I gotta make my choice soon.
Plenty of great choices for sure! I will try and align the GB so that it gives people some time to recover from the Orion if they would like to participate in it. I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:54:03
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 20 March 2015, 17:59:23
Post by: Blackehart on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:08:28
Gotta love keyboards that can be used as a +2 bludgeoning weapon.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:09:03
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:10:41
Post by: HTN47 on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:15:31
Post by: rpeterclark on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:16:22
Post by: gravenshard on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:22:21
Post by: tjcaustin on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:25:50
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:27:08
Talk to mistakemistake about the milling. He might give you a good price to do the work.
I have spoken to him, he was not willing to commit to anything. He still might be of service to this buy however I want to make sure I have someone lined up.
Post by: Sygaldry on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:37:23
I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
I'm basically sold!
Would like #13 please. ;D
(Alternatively would also accept #7)
Post by: strict on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:39:20
I do think its worth pointing out, and you may already be aware, but the renders of your plates all look like they suffer form the same design flaw that the original Phantom plates did where there was an extra tab of metal on all the 2u stabilized keys that prevented you from opening the switch top. Example (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53761.msg1245309#msg1245309)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:41:54
I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
I'm basically sold!
Would like #13 please. ;D
(Alternatively would also accept #7)
From the Pms I have received it seems those will be some competitive numbers :))
This looks incredible! Depending on my finances when this launches I will tentatively be down for one in dark grey.
I do think its worth pointing out, and you may already be aware, but the renders of your plates all look like they suffer form the same design flaw that the original Phantom plates did where there was an extra tab of metal on all the 2u stabilized keys that prevented you from opening the switch top. Example (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=53761.msg1245309#msg1245309)
You're right, but the plate isnt finalized. The final design will include notches for switch top removal for sure. As a modder myself I wouldn't have it any other way :thumb: I will likely render a new plate as well as some blockers this weekend.
Post by: strict on Fri, 20 March 2015, 18:47:47
You're right, but the plate isnt finalized. The final design will include notches for switch top removal for sure. As a modder myself I wouldn't have it any other way :thumb: I will likely render a new plate as well as some blockers this weekend.
Glad to hear it and really looking forward to this :thumb:
Post by: Cottonsox on Fri, 20 March 2015, 19:06:47
Looking forward to this.
I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
I'm basically sold!
Would like #13 please. ;D
(Alternatively would also accept #7)
hands off #7
Post by: Data on Fri, 20 March 2015, 19:31:52
I know that blue is a render but daaaaaaaamn... ;D
Dibs on #42.
Post by: Usarise on Fri, 20 March 2015, 19:51:17
(If I get one of these I sooooo want a blue one and #11~ ^~^)
Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 20 March 2015, 19:57:43
I have few questions:
For built in blockers for 84 keys, do you mean the blockers are connected to the top part of the case?
Will this uses 7075 alu or 6061 alu?
Will acrylic plate be available?
Will hard anodizing be available as an option?
Anyways, I am interested in this :-*
Btw, I would like #002 and #100
Post by: abjr on Fri, 20 March 2015, 20:08:39
Looks gorgeous, Dr. H. Hook a fellow Nutmegger up up with #17 :p
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 20:43:24
Interested, want a pink one :-X i know, probably not going to happen
I have few questions:
For built in blockers for 84 keys, do you mean the blockers are connected to the top part of the case?
Will this uses 7075 alu or 6061 alu?
Will acrylic plate be available?
Will hard anodizing be available as an option?
Anyways, I am interested in this :-*
Btw, I would like #002 and #100
The blockers will be part of the top of the case yes ^-^
dont know the type of alu yet, will need to get a milling recourse straitened out first.
it may be possible to do an acrylic plate however I am hesitant since I dont want to overcomplicated the buy. Add an acrylic plate and then people want a different PCB color :p
I would love to include hard ano, another thing to be straitened out with the CNC shop :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:19:46
Post by: exitfire401 on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:23:48
Post by: vindaon on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:26:04
Post by: Moralless on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:26:52
Looking at the renders, it looks like the PCB supports a split backspace (and also short left and right shifts). Will there be a plate option that supports this or would I need to have it PCB mounted to support this specific layout?
Post by: jonathanyu on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:29:01
Interested, want a pink one :-X i know, probably not going to happen
I have few questions:
For built in blockers for 84 keys, do you mean the blockers are connected to the top part of the case?
Will this uses 7075 alu or 6061 alu?
Will acrylic plate be available?
Will hard anodizing be available as an option?
Anyways, I am interested in this :-*
Btw, I would like #002 and #100
The blockers will be part of the top of the case yes ^-^
dont know the type of alu yet, will need to get a milling recourse straitened out first.
it may be possible to do an acrylic plate however I am hesitant since I dont want to overcomplicated the buy. Add an acrylic plate and then people want a different PCB color :p
I would love to include hard ano, another thing to be straitened out with the CNC shop :thumb:
Awesome, definitely in now :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:36:06
Definitely in for the DrHubble! You've done a great job designing the board.
Looking at the renders, it looks like the PCB supports a split backspace (and also short left and right shifts). Will there be a plate option that supports this or would I need to have it PCB mounted to support this specific layout?
As previously mentioned I will be working on a plate that accommodates more features. Likely it will be a single plate with cutouts to support 87 and 84 layouts as well as off center/centered caplocks and short/long right shifts. This will be similar to some of LZ's plates in the regards that it is one plate that can be utilized in a variety of ways.
I will also most likely be working on a better mechanism for centering the plate in the case once I have a plate design finalized.
Post by: Usarise on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:38:42
(Cause I'm so gonna start budgeting now :3)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:40:14
Sooooo I know you haven't posted a date yet and you're still working on finding who's gonna mill it, but....any ballpark idea when this might happen? Summerishhh? :3
(Cause I'm so gonna start budgeting now :3)
I am very hesitant to set even a tentative date but summerish is a safe bet :))
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:44:54
I think my wallet can handle thatSooooo I know you haven't posted a date yet and you're still working on finding who's gonna mill it, but....any ballpark idea when this might happen? Summerishhh? :3
(Cause I'm so gonna start budgeting now :3)
I am very hesitant to set even a tentative date but summerish is a safe bet :))
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:46:21
Post by: Usarise on Fri, 20 March 2015, 21:47:09
Mine as well~ Yeah count me in as definitely. >~>I think my wallet can handle thatSooooo I know you haven't posted a date yet and you're still working on finding who's gonna mill it, but....any ballpark idea when this might happen? Summerishhh? :3
(Cause I'm so gonna start budgeting now :3)
I am very hesitant to set even a tentative date but summerish is a safe bet :))
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:41:01
Post by: CommonCurt on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:50:30
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:54:05
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:55:21
So if we opt for a winkeyless version, the alu top will have the blockers built in? Also will the PCB will support a split right shift as well as a split backspace?
Interested, want a pink one :-X i know, probably not going to happen
I have few questions:
For built in blockers for 84 keys, do you mean the blockers are connected to the top part of the case?
Will this uses 7075 alu or 6061 alu?
Will acrylic plate be available?
Will hard anodizing be available as an option?
Anyways, I am interested in this :-*
Btw, I would like #002 and #100
The blockers will be part of the top of the case yes ^-^
dont know the type of alu yet, will need to get a milling recourse straitened out first.
it may be possible to do an acrylic plate however I am hesitant since I dont want to overcomplicated the buy. Add an acrylic plate and then people want a different PCB color :p
I would love to include hard ano, another thing to be straitened out with the CNC shop :thumb:
:p :thumb:Definitely in for the DrHubble! You've done a great job designing the board.
Looking at the renders, it looks like the PCB supports a split backspace (and also short left and right shifts). Will there be a plate option that supports this or would I need to have it PCB mounted to support this specific layout?
As previously mentioned I will be working on a plate that accommodates more features. Likely it will be a single plate with cutouts to support 87 and 84 layouts as well as off center/centered caplocks and short/long right shifts. This will be similar to some of LZ's plates in the regards that it is one plate that can be utilized in a variety of ways.
I will also most likely be working on a better mechanism for centering the plate in the case once I have a plate design finalized.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:56:52
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 20 March 2015, 22:57:34
I hope you don't mind that I posted this on Reddit, if you want me to I can delete it.
No problem. :p
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 20 March 2015, 23:41:52
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:06:43
Post by: meow a cat on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:16:07
Really digging the space theme.
I also want a blue version!
Post by: pryedthirdeye on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:28:32
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:30:42
Post by: metalliqaz on Sat, 21 March 2015, 00:31:23
Oh boy. Move over Korean customs, here come the Connecticut Customs ;)
Looks gorgeous, Dr. H. Hook a fellow Nutmegger up up with #17 :p
CT represent
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 21 March 2015, 01:04:38
Post by: LechnerDE on Sat, 21 March 2015, 03:11:13
Really curious about the final price.
My favortite colors for the case would be dolch gray or teal :thumb:
Post by: joey on Sat, 21 March 2015, 04:26:50
Post by: CPTBadAss on Sat, 21 March 2015, 06:28:41
2015: Year of the GH
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:02:03
So... is it gonna come in some sort of blue is my only question.
Well I was rooting to get "sifo blue" added to the list :p
Post by: azhdar on Sat, 21 March 2015, 08:03:49
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:08:06
I can already hear my wallet begging for mercy, but definitely interested depending on when this happens! xD
Besides the obvious choice of Sifo blue, I would personally really love to see a white version of the case, but maybe its just me.
I generally love the clean looks of white cases and always wondered why there pretty much aren't any white aluminum cases as far as I know,
and white should additionally also go pretty well with the NASA theme in my opinion. :thumb:
Not sure if white can be anodized (kinda guess it can't) but maybe a white powder coat could be an option?
Post by: Signature on Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:15:22
Amazing work Dr. Hubble! Those renders look amazing! :thumb:Not possible I'm afraid. Since these cases are anodized and to anodize white isn't possible
I can already hear my wallet begging for mercy, but definitely interested depending on when this happens! xD
Besides the obvious choice of Sifo blue, I would personally really love to see a white version of the case, but maybe its just me.
I generally love the clean looks of white cases and always wondered why there pretty much aren't any white aluminum cases as far as I know,
and white should additionally also go pretty well with the NASA theme in my opinion. :thumb:
Not sure if white can be anodized (kinda guess it can't) but maybe a white powder coat could be an option?
Post by: Cottonsox on Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:18:44
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 March 2015, 09:30:15
Amazing work Dr. Hubble! Those renders look amazing! :thumb:Not possible I'm afraid. Since these cases are anodized and to anodize white isn't possible
I can already hear my wallet begging for mercy, but definitely interested depending on when this happens! xD
Besides the obvious choice of Sifo blue, I would personally really love to see a white version of the case, but maybe its just me.
I generally love the clean looks of white cases and always wondered why there pretty much aren't any white aluminum cases as far as I know,
and white should additionally also go pretty well with the NASA theme in my opinion. :thumb:
Not sure if white can be anodized (kinda guess it can't) but maybe a white powder coat could be an option?
Thx for clearing that up Signature!
And no worries since I was already expecting anodizing to not work with white.
However the OP doesn't specify anodized I think, altho you're probably right that's what it will be...
It would theoretically be possible to powder coat aluminum white tho, right?
If white isn't an option I would definitely choose gunmetal grey.
Or maybe make a non anodized version for diy powder coats? xD
Post by: dakuzo on Sat, 21 March 2015, 10:06:52
Amazing work DrHubble! :thumb:
Post by: Usarise on Sat, 21 March 2015, 10:58:50
Aww I was really hoping for some kind of a white too...Amazing work Dr. Hubble! Those renders look amazing! :thumb:Not possible I'm afraid. Since these cases are anodized and to anodize white isn't possible
I can already hear my wallet begging for mercy, but definitely interested depending on when this happens! xD
Besides the obvious choice of Sifo blue, I would personally really love to see a white version of the case, but maybe its just me.
I generally love the clean looks of white cases and always wondered why there pretty much aren't any white aluminum cases as far as I know,
and white should additionally also go pretty well with the NASA theme in my opinion. :thumb:
Not sure if white can be anodized (kinda guess it can't) but maybe a white powder coat could be an option?
Maybe a sexy silver option?
(Blue would be the next choice :3)
Post by: njbair on Sat, 21 March 2015, 11:10:14
The rough timeline of summertime means that a lot of folks will likely be getting some nice keycap sets in the mail around then, like GMK Hyperfuse...and hopefully the Triumph Adler GMK set as well. Even the GMK Dolch sets that are shipping right now. I don't know how customizable anodize colors are but it might be good to consider including some finishes with these GB sets in mind. I would definitely buy one to go with GMK Hyperfuse. Not that selling 100 of these will be a problem either way.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 21 March 2015, 12:40:05
I'd love to see purple or a gunmetal color. :cool:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 21 March 2015, 13:39:48
Winkeyless PCB are ANSI only right?
Yes I believe so, sorry if you were hoping for ISO.
Amazing work Dr. Hubble! Those renders look amazing! :thumb:Not possible I'm afraid. Since these cases are anodized and to anodize white isn't possible
I can already hear my wallet begging for mercy, but definitely interested depending on when this happens! xD
Besides the obvious choice of Sifo blue, I would personally really love to see a white version of the case, but maybe its just me.
I generally love the clean looks of white cases and always wondered why there pretty much aren't any white aluminum cases as far as I know,
and white should additionally also go pretty well with the NASA theme in my opinion. :thumb:
Not sure if white can be anodized (kinda guess it can't) but maybe a white powder coat could be an option?
Thx for clearing that up Signature!
And no worries since I was already expecting anodizing to not work with white.
However the OP doesn't specify anodized I think, altho you're probably right that's what it will be...
It would theoretically be possible to powder coat aluminum white tho, right?
If white isn't an option I would definitely choose gunmetal grey.
Or maybe make a non anodized version for diy powder coats? xD
Yeah, white will likely not be an option since I would like to stick to anodization for this. That said, if you want a powder coated board there is nothing stopping you from doing that yourself!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 March 2015, 13:56:51
Yeah, white will likely not be an option since I would like to stick to anodization for this. That said, if you want a powder coated board there is nothing stopping you from doing that yourself!
Thx for the Info Dr! :thumb:
I can definitely understand you don't want to add the potential extra trouble caused by doing different finishes.
I'm still wondering if you can actually even powder coat (especially anodized) aluminum...
I will probably stick with the original finish tho, because I don't really want to risk bringing a beautifully piece like this
to a shop and trust them with powder coating it. :)
(The additional thickness of a powder coat might very well also cause issues with tolerances, especially on for example the Mira inlay I guess)
So ruling out powder coating for now, I would vote for (gunmetal) grey! xD
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 21 March 2015, 14:00:27
(http://i.imgur.com/GP54xrM.gif)
Colour me interested. :cool:
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 March 2015, 14:04:45
Yeah, white will likely not be an option since I would like to stick to anodization for this. That said, if you want a powder coated board there is nothing stopping you from doing that yourself!
Thx for the Info Dr! :thumb:
I can definitely understand you don't want to add the potential extra trouble caused by doing different finishes.
I'm still wondering if you can actually even powder coat (especially anodized) aluminum...
I will probably stick with the original finish tho, because I don't really want to risk bringing a beautifully piece like this
to a shop and trust them with powder coating it. :)
(The additional thickness of a powder coat might very well also cause issues with tolerances, especially on for example the Mira inlay I guess)
So ruling out powder coating for now, I would vote for (gunmetal) grey! xD
You could always use Rainbow Paint & Blasting in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. That's who most Geekhackers have been using for powdercoating, and I understand they are very good at it. Ask for Tammi, and tell her you're from Geekhack.
http://rainbowrpb.com/
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 21 March 2015, 14:10:11
So... is it gonna come in some sort of blue is my only question.
Well I was rooting to get "sifo blue" added to the list :p
Sifo like pink as well :)) pink please!
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sat, 21 March 2015, 14:57:24
Yeah, white will likely not be an option since I would like to stick to anodization for this. That said, if you want a powder coated board there is nothing stopping you from doing that yourself!
Thx for the Info Dr! :thumb:
I can definitely understand you don't want to add the potential extra trouble caused by doing different finishes.
I'm still wondering if you can actually even powder coat (especially anodized) aluminum...
I will probably stick with the original finish tho, because I don't really want to risk bringing a beautifully piece like this
to a shop and trust them with powder coating it. :)
(The additional thickness of a powder coat might very well also cause issues with tolerances, especially on for example the Mira inlay I guess)
So ruling out powder coating for now, I would vote for (gunmetal) grey! xD
You could always use Rainbow Paint & Blasting in Cedar Rapids, Iowa. That's who most Geekhackers have been using for powdercoating, and I understand they are very good at it. Ask for Tammi, and tell her you're from Geekhack.
http://rainbowrpb.com/
Wow, awesome!
Thanks a lot for the tip JD, big time! :)
Giving it to someone experienced in doing cases, that Geekhackers have been using and made good experiences with before, is definitely very reassuring
and makes it less scary to give away and trust someone with powder coating it.
Sending it in won't be an issue I guess, except for the shipping cost pain from Germany (which you kinda get used to xD )
and also knowing its in good hands and the reduced risk probably makes up for that....
Ill definitely check out the possibility and contact them! =)
Post by: IonutZ on Sat, 21 March 2015, 15:49:52
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 21 March 2015, 16:11:23
Post by: jdcarpe on Sat, 21 March 2015, 16:17:18
Sending it in won't be an issue I guess, except for the shipping cost pain from Germany (which you kinda get used to xD )
and also knowing its in good hands and the reduced risk probably makes up for that....
Ill definitely check out the possibility and contact them! =)
One thing you could do, if you have a US proxy, is to get your proxy to send just the case to Rainbow for you, and hold the rest of the kit. Then, when they received the case back from Rainbow, they could mail it on to you in Germany.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 22 March 2015, 09:09:24
Sending it in won't be an issue I guess, except for the shipping cost pain from Germany (which you kinda get used to xD )
and also knowing its in good hands and the reduced risk probably makes up for that....
Ill definitely check out the possibility and contact them! =)
One thing you could do, if you have a US proxy, is to get your proxy to send just the case to Rainbow for you, and hold the rest of the kit. Then, when they received the case back from Rainbow, they could mail it on to you in Germany.
Good point JD!
I don't really have a US proxy to use atm, but there is services that offer just that to allow you to for example order things that would usually be conus only.
I've never really looked into this before tbh since the additional expense, risk and effort always felt kinda off putting, but I should probably read up on it.
On the other hand I'm wondering if I (incase I end up going the powder coating route) couldn't just have it delivered to Rainbow straight away, so they can powder coat the case before
mailing it to me...
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 13:11:54
Sending it in won't be an issue I guess, except for the shipping cost pain from Germany (which you kinda get used to xD )
and also knowing its in good hands and the reduced risk probably makes up for that....
Ill definitely check out the possibility and contact them! =)
One thing you could do, if you have a US proxy, is to get your proxy to send just the case to Rainbow for you, and hold the rest of the kit. Then, when they received the case back from Rainbow, they could mail it on to you in Germany.
Good point JD!
I don't really have a US proxy to use atm, but there is services that offer just that to allow you to for example order things that would usually be conus only.
I've never really looked into this before tbh since the additional expense, risk and effort always felt kinda off putting, but I should probably read up on it.
On the other hand I'm wondering if I (incase I end up going the powder coating route) couldn't just have it delivered to Rainbow straight away, so they can powder coat the case before
mailing it to me...
If they do that for you I'm sure it will be with the stipulation that you not tell anyone about it. They most likely don't want to be in the proxy shipping business.
Post by: DanielT on Sun, 22 March 2015, 13:44:37
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 14:32:15
Personally, I hope to get a number between 1-100.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 22 March 2015, 17:01:41
Sending it in won't be an issue I guess, except for the shipping cost pain from Germany (which you kinda get used to xD )
and also knowing its in good hands and the reduced risk probably makes up for that....
Ill definitely check out the possibility and contact them! =)
One thing you could do, if you have a US proxy, is to get your proxy to send just the case to Rainbow for you, and hold the rest of the kit. Then, when they received the case back from Rainbow, they could mail it on to you in Germany.
Good point JD!
I don't really have a US proxy to use atm, but there is services that offer just that to allow you to for example order things that would usually be conus only.
I've never really looked into this before tbh since the additional expense, risk and effort always felt kinda off putting, but I should probably read up on it.
On the other hand I'm wondering if I (incase I end up going the powder coating route) couldn't just have it delivered to Rainbow straight away, so they can powder coat the case before
mailing it to me...
If they do that for you I'm sure it will be with the stipulation that you not tell anyone about it. They most likely don't want to be in the proxy shipping business.
They would receive something to powder coat either way (just straight from the manufacturer in this case) and would also have to send it to me in Germany either way so I don't see how this would be a proxy shipping business.
Its pretty much a customization service either way, no matter who they receive the case from in my opinion. The only difference would be that they have to unbox and separate both case and pcb and store the pcb while working on the case.
It's not like I'm not planning on using their actual service and abuse them as a proxy shipping business...
Nothing to be hidden here I guess xD
Post by: feizor on Sun, 22 March 2015, 17:19:33
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:08:43
Hopefully those of you with # preferences can find a way to land your preference. Maybe you can arrange for a swap with whomever gets the number you want. Of course, the only catch would be if you want one of the gold stab numbers, you may need to pay the other party a premium.Please no bidding wars while the buy is still going on :p If you want to try and trade afterwards for a premium that would be more acceptable. :))
Personally, I hope to get a number between 1-100.
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:09:20
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:12:08
At any point did you consider allowing reservations? I know it might make things a pain in a lot of ways but just curious.Hopefully those of you with # preferences can find a way to land your preference. Maybe you can arrange for a swap with whomever gets the number you want. Of course, the only catch would be if you want one of the gold stab numbers, you may need to pay the other party a premium.Please no bidding wars while the buy is still going on
Personally, I hope to get a number between 1-100.If you want to try and trade afterwards for a premium that would be more acceptable. :))
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:15:52
Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:16:18
Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.
I think the anodization makes he aluminum corrosion resistant. LZ has been using SS weights for a while now as well without problems.
No, I don't want to discourage people from participating in the GB just because a number they like was taken :)) it also becomes a pain when people reserve one then do not pay. Trust me, this will be fun :thumb:At any point did you consider allowing reservations? I know it might make things a pain in a lot of ways but just curious.Hopefully those of you with # preferences can find a way to land your preference. Maybe you can arrange for a swap with whomever gets the number you want. Of course, the only catch would be if you want one of the gold stab numbers, you may need to pay the other party a premium.Please no bidding wars while the buy is still going on
Personally, I hope to get a number between 1-100.
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:19:32
Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:19:59
Fair enough. I suppose if someone really wants it in a different color they can make the trade for the right number then pay to have it stripped and re-anodized.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.
I think the anodization makes he aluminum corrosion resistant. LZ has been using SS weights for a while now as well without problems.No, I don't want to discourage people from participating in the GB just because a number they like was taken :)) it also becomes a pain when people reserve one then do not pay. Trust me, this will be fun :thumb:At any point did you consider allowing reservations? I know it might make things a pain in a lot of ways but just curious.Hopefully those of you with # preferences can find a way to land your preference. Maybe you can arrange for a swap with whomever gets the number you want. Of course, the only catch would be if you want one of the gold stab numbers, you may need to pay the other party a premium.Please no bidding wars while the buy is still going on
Personally, I hope to get a number between 1-100.
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:22:51
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:23:20
The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
Post by: slickmamba on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:24:39
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:26:26
The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
I have purposely built in margins around the slotted portions of the weight so that the weight can inserted and screwed in without damaging the case. I figure that margin would also allow for hard ano to be a viable option.
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:27:21
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:29:48
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:35:03
I'd assumed this kind of thing would be accounted for. It's just the first time in a couple years I've used the fab + finishing part of my brain... All these considerations are rushing back to me. I'm confident this board will be top-notch.The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
I have purposely built in margins around the slotted portions of the weight so that the weight can inserted and screwed in without damaging the case. I figure that margin would also allow for hard ano to be a viable option.
How is the acrylic logo going to fit in the cutout? Is it going to be molded in-place?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:40:48
I'd assumed this kind of thing would be accounted for. It's just the first time in a couple years I've used the fab + finishing part of my brain... All these considerations are rushing back to me. I'm confident this board will be top-notch.The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
I have purposely built in margins around the slotted portions of the weight so that the weight can inserted and screwed in without damaging the case. I figure that margin would also allow for hard ano to be a viable option.
How is the acrylic logo going to fit in the cutout? Is it going to be molded in-place?
Not finalized yet, it depends on how snug it will fit in. If the milling is precise enough and it fits in tight then it may not require any fixing, otherwise screw holes will likely be added.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:43:12
For a tight fit here you might want to mask off the walls of the logo so the Anodize won't affect the finish size.I'd assumed this kind of thing would be accounted for. It's just the first time in a couple years I've used the fab + finishing part of my brain... All these considerations are rushing back to me. I'm confident this board will be top-notch.The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
I have purposely built in margins around the slotted portions of the weight so that the weight can inserted and screwed in without damaging the case. I figure that margin would also allow for hard ano to be a viable option.
How is the acrylic logo going to fit in the cutout? Is it going to be molded in-place?
Not finalized yet, it depends on how snug it will fit in. If the milling is precise enough and it fits in tight then it may not require any fixing, otherwise screw holes will likely be added.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 22 March 2015, 20:45:07
For a tight fit here you might want to mask off the walls of the logo so the Anodize won't affect the finish size.I'd assumed this kind of thing would be accounted for. It's just the first time in a couple years I've used the fab + finishing part of my brain... All these considerations are rushing back to me. I'm confident this board will be top-notch.The oxide layer is basically the same hardness as ruby, so it wins the scratch war versus most metals. Also, the parts won't be moving around once assembled.Couldn't the contact between the two pieces cause scratches which could allow it to happen? I guess the chances are really low, nothing to worry about probably.Perhaps someone can explain this, as I have been thinking. Isn't there a risk you are running using stainless steel inserts on an aluminum board? Galvanic corrosion.Anodizing should prevent this since the thick oxide layer is nonconductive. Plus you need significant moisture for galvanic corrosion to occur anyways.
Doc also said he would look into hard anodized finish, which is even thicker. Although maintaining tolerances will be more difficult that way...
I have purposely built in margins around the slotted portions of the weight so that the weight can inserted and screwed in without damaging the case. I figure that margin would also allow for hard ano to be a viable option.
How is the acrylic logo going to fit in the cutout? Is it going to be molded in-place?
Not finalized yet, it depends on how snug it will fit in. If the milling is precise enough and it fits in tight then it may not require any fixing, otherwise screw holes will likely be added.
Perhaps, this is something I would like to investigate more after I get a prototype made :thumb:
Post by: Tour90 on Mon, 23 March 2015, 12:14:12
Post by: Heliosphere on Mon, 23 March 2015, 19:44:21
I would be interested in picking up a blue or gunmetal one for sure.
My problem right now is deciding on blue or gunmetal, because both look great! Gunmetal seems it would work with more keyset colors.
Post by: Elrick on Mon, 23 March 2015, 19:54:29
Put me down for one in Blood Red (if such a colour exists) because I don't have an all RED coloured keyboard just yet :thumb: .
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:02:39
Post by: vindaon on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:08:36
Post by: njbair on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:12:12
So, Doc, I have to ask...do you already know what the "secret item" is that Zeal is hyping up right now?
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:33:27
Would want ANSI 87. Would also count myself beyond lucky to somehow end up with #18 :P
Post by: Cottonsox on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:51:32
Potentially interested in a grey board, contingent on price and timing.
Would want ANSI 87. Would also count myself beyond lucky to somehow end up with #18 :P
I'll go on record now, if i stumble upon 18 i would switch it with you if switches are possible. From the renders shouldn't be to hard to switch the weights people get which looks to be the intended engraved spot!
I understand DRHubblePHD hesitance to offer any sort of reservations of numbers, but i cannot see a problem with a friendly switch.
Post by: njbair on Mon, 23 March 2015, 20:56:51
Potentially interested in a grey board, contingent on price and timing.
Would want ANSI 87. Would also count myself beyond lucky to somehow end up with #18 :P
I'll go on record now, if i stumble upon 18 i would switch it with you if switches are possible. From the renders shouldn't be to hard to switch the weights people get which looks to be the intended engraved spot!
I understand DRHubblePHD hesitance to offer any sort of reservations of numbers, but i cannot see a problem with a friendly switch.
As long as it doesn't result in 100 friendly switches worth of administrative burden. At that point, just wait until you get the board and make the swaps via private messages. But if you're correct and the engraving is on the SS insert and not the aluminum chassis, then getting the number you want in the color you want will be cake.
It will, of course, mean that the first 57 may lose some of their special significance, if for instance user 18 ends up with #58 and you trade it with him, unless you also swap out the gold stabs just to keep everything together.
Post by: Cottonsox on Mon, 23 March 2015, 21:05:49
Potentially interested in a grey board, contingent on price and timing.
Would want ANSI 87. Would also count myself beyond lucky to somehow end up with #18 :P
I'll go on record now, if i stumble upon 18 i would switch it with you if switches are possible. From the renders shouldn't be to hard to switch the weights people get which looks to be the intended engraved spot!
I understand DRHubblePHD hesitance to offer any sort of reservations of numbers, but i cannot see a problem with a friendly switch.
As long as it doesn't result in 100 friendly switches worth of administrative burden. At that point, just wait until you get the board and make the swaps via private messages. But if you're correct and the engraving is on the SS insert and not the aluminum chassis, then getting the number you want in the color you want will be cake.
It will, of course, mean that the first 57 may lose some of their special significance, if for instance user 18 ends up with #58 and you trade it with him, unless you also swap out the gold stabs just to keep everything together.
Gold stabs or not, i am not concerned, honestly my perfect world is 7, closely followed by 26 if that doesn't happen i am happy with any other number as long as i get in on MIRA.
Personally, i would not want to make a trade after as it just adds extra costs after the fact for posting, As i am International to most people. I don't want DrHubblePHD to have to undergo anything he does not want to, the beauty of his design is that the engraved portion is a seperate piece and _could_ be move around orders if allowed and not effect any of the production process.
Alternatively, He could just make it so that no one knows what number they go and it's a surprise :D That would be pretty cool also!
Post by: Alex92 on Mon, 23 March 2015, 21:09:10
Post by: njbair on Mon, 23 March 2015, 21:26:14
Alternatively, He could just make it so that no one knows what number they go and it's a surprise :D That would be pretty cool also!
I sincerely hope that's what he does. A lot of GB threads degenerate into a mess of unreasonable personal requests once the order window closes.
As a husband and a father, when planning something big I often use the "surprise" angle to circumvent endless deliberations over mundane details. It's served my family very well.
Post by: Bromono on Tue, 24 March 2015, 05:51:46
Post by: Rodgaroon on Tue, 24 March 2015, 08:57:50
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 24 March 2015, 10:17:24
So... is it gonna come in some sort of blue is my only question.
Well I was rooting to get "sifo blue" added to the list :p
!!! Let's hope I have the money by then!
Post by: Phinnegan on Tue, 24 March 2015, 10:35:02
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 24 March 2015, 12:09:43
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 24 March 2015, 12:16:11
Thanks to thechemist, even more people will be able to get their Mira soldered with SMD parts before shipping!
Great news I was probably going to have him solder mine anyway :p
Also +1 for a gun metal grey.
Post by: exitfire401 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 12:19:11
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 24 March 2015, 13:07:35
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Custom anodizing colors would be crazy cool but expensive. Maybe do batches of 10? 10 people agree to all get a specific color that way we can have more colors but still maintain a reasonable price for anodizing?
Post by: njbair on Tue, 24 March 2015, 13:43:00
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Custom anodizing colors would be crazy cool but expensive. Maybe do batches of 10? 10 people agree to all get a specific color that way we can have more colors but still maintain a reasonable price for anodizing?
Most places have a lot charge for different colors, so if 50 people want gunmetal gray, that lot charge will be the same as if two people want seafoam green. However, if you've got 100 parts in ten different colors, that's ten lot setups whether there's ten of each color or 91 gray and one each of the other nine.
So, if Doc wants to allow custom colors in addition to whichever standard colors he settles on, the math is simple: you pay the price of the keyboard plus one lot charge fee.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 24 March 2015, 16:00:20
Post by: fatchoi on Tue, 24 March 2015, 20:24:00
Post by: archer on Tue, 24 March 2015, 22:49:41
Post by: HTN47 on Tue, 24 March 2015, 23:19:21
I also have a KMAC coming this Thursday :-X
GeekHack is seriously making me poor
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:51:32
Post by: jayelle321 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 08:57:15
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 10:42:54
Post by: tuantruong on Wed, 25 March 2015, 13:37:23
Post by: archer on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:49:03
Post by: Photekq on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:52:18
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Post by: Sifo on Wed, 25 March 2015, 14:52:41
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:11:45
Post by: taylordcraig on Wed, 25 March 2015, 15:54:49
WKL ansi
Also I need one of the 57 with gold stabs.
Post by: njbair on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:27:14
Looks really nice might have to get this as my first ever custom keyboard, really like the idea you have behind it too :) Although just my point of view I wouldn't allow people to choose a number as it would make things harder for you and some might not get taken just due to the number :XThe OP says numbers will be issued in a first come, first serve basis. I just think he's given up on trying to dispel the idea of reserved numbers. It's just an interest check, anyway.
Post by: exitfire401 on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:29:12
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Custom anodizing colors would be crazy cool but expensive. Maybe do batches of 10? 10 people agree to all get a specific color that way we can have more colors but still maintain a reasonable price for anodizing?
I've paid for a batch anodize for a single piece before. It's honestly not terribly expensive( it was $80 for a plate). As I said, if I do get one, I wouldn't mind paying whatever anodizer they're going through to just do it rather than find a local one.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 25 March 2015, 16:29:52
Post by: Fire Brand on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:36:53
Numbers will be assigned in the order the deposits are received. You will not know what number you have gotten till it arrives at your doorstep. That's the current plan.Ahh right thats fine then thanks :) I best start saving as I really want this :X
Post by: vindaon on Wed, 25 March 2015, 17:58:01
Numbers will be assigned in the order the deposits are received. You will not know what number you have gotten till it arrives at your doorstep. That's the current plan.
That's the most sensible way. I know it's already in the op but you might wanna put it closer to the top in big bold letters so people can see, way too many people asking.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:04:48
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:06:26
Numbers will be assigned in the order the deposits are received. You will not know what number you have gotten till it arrives at your doorstep. That's the current plan.
I think this is the best way to do it!
Before the group buy kicks off are you able to give us an indication of how much a deposit will be, Want to make sure my funds will be ready for the first payment when the GB is live!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:19:09
Numbers will be assigned in the order the deposits are received. You will not know what number you have gotten till it arrives at your doorstep. That's the current plan.
I think this is the best way to do it!
Before the group buy kicks off are you able to give us an indication of how much a deposit will be, Want to make sure my funds will be ready for the first payment when the GB is live!
As soon as I get some quotes for he price of milling I will be sharing a potential price.
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:20:07
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:22:44
How close are you to finding someone for the milling?
Just be patient :p
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:26:22
How close are you to finding someone for the milling?
Just be patient :p
It' just to hard :)
Post by: eten on Wed, 25 March 2015, 18:37:40
Post by: Blackehart on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:06:00
might not make 666 of these, but would like that number :p
https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zqZMlSZzUu8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=zqZMlSZzUu8)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 25 March 2015, 19:12:06
will there be any sort of assembly services available?
I personally wont be offering any assembly services. SMD soldering will be offered as an option for the buy. All you will need is for someone to solder switches and screw it all together. You should be able to find someone willing to fully assemble your board need be.
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 25 March 2015, 21:33:03
Post by: HTN47 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 16:52:50
But will there me balance issues with the case where if you were to tap semi-heavily on the F-row the case might "tip".... Am I just seing things or being a newb? Please enlighten me with your knowledge Senpais
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 26 March 2015, 17:08:29
Post by: unoab on Thu, 26 March 2015, 17:13:05
I have a quick question about the design of the case. Forgive my scrub-ness as I am quite new at this :p
But will there me balance issues with the case where if you were to tap semi-heavily on the F-row the case might "tip".... Am I just seing things or being a newb? Please enlighten me with your knowledge Senpais
Looking at the renders and assuming that the center of mass for the bottom half of the case that is directly over the base will probably be somewhere around the middle of the base closer to the top due to the insert. Then just taking a wild shot in the dark, that the distance of the F-keys to the point it will rotate on looks like it could be about 2x the distance from that point to the center of mass for the bottom of the case, you would have to push with probably 2x the weight of that bottom half to lift it, so probably a handful of pounds. So unless you have a keyboard full of super blacks and are pressing multiple function keys at once, you should be fine.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 26 March 2015, 19:56:00
Post by: feizor on Thu, 26 March 2015, 20:32:06
I have a quick question about the design of the case. Forgive my scrub-ness as I am quite new at this :p
But will there me balance issues with the case where if you were to tap semi-heavily on the F-row the case might "tip".... Am I just seing things or being a newb? Please enlighten me with your knowledge Senpais
Looking at the renders and assuming that the center of mass for the bottom half of the case that is directly over the base will probably be somewhere around the middle of the base closer to the top due to the insert. Then just taking a wild shot in the dark, that the distance of the F-keys to the point it will rotate on looks like it could be about 2x the distance from that point to the center of mass for the bottom of the case, you would have to push with probably 2x the weight of that bottom half to lift it, so probably a handful of pounds. So unless you have a keyboard full of super blacks and are pressing multiple function keys at once, you should be fine.
Even if you have Gateron Yellows on your F-row, I doubt any key presses will have enough force to cause the keyboard to tip. This board will weight at least 2.5-3kg by the looks of it.
Post by: HTN47 on Fri, 27 March 2015, 01:43:47
While the design is overhung I dont expect there to be any issues since the weight will be concentrated in the front. That said, once I get the prototype I will see for sure :thumb:
That's good to hear! Looking forward to the prototype :thumb:
Post by: tribade on Sat, 28 March 2015, 13:57:08
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 28 March 2015, 15:58:40
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:00:17
Wow, this is an amazing looking board... I might need to rethink what buys I'm going to be joining in the near future... Or I'm going to have to rob a bank or two.
Get a 2nd job like pizza delivery or something. Put all your tips towards this board. You can make it happen.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:34:22
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:46:02
I have updated the plate and have added blockers. I will render some new photos this evening!
:) I am excited
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 16:58:49
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Just for fun:
(http://puu.sh/gTyXh/347acdbc93.jpg)
*note to self: don't render with a black background, the sides become grainy.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:04:01
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Just for fun:Show Image(http://puu.sh/gTyXh/347acdbc93.jpg)
*note to self: don't render with a black background, the sides become grainy.
* slow clap*
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:13:07
Hai there
More
(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
?
(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:19:55
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VKAJZK5.jpg)
Hai thereMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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Sifo, I'm rendering you a pink one in 4k. Just wait for it. :)
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:22:24
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VKAJZK5.jpg)
Hai thereMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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:'( love the last one, please make it
Post by: Sygaldry on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:31:31
Is there an estimated GB start date?
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:32:22
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VKAJZK5.jpg)
Hai thereMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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:'( love the last one, please make it
Says you with the 456 :(
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 28 March 2015, 17:51:07
Wow, this is an amazing looking board... I might need to rethink what buys I'm going to be joining in the near future... Or I'm going to have to rob a bank or two.
Get a 2nd job like pizza delivery or something. Put all your tips towards this board. You can make it happen.
Ahaha, I already work a full-time job as IT Support. So I think I might just have to sell some stuff. :p
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:08:56
The second job has the added benefit that you'll have no spare time to spend the extra money.Wow, this is an amazing looking board... I might need to rethink what buys I'm going to be joining in the near future... Or I'm going to have to rob a bank or two.
Get a 2nd job like pizza delivery or something. Put all your tips towards this board. You can make it happen.
Ahaha, I already work a full-time job as IT Support. So I think I might just have to sell some stuff.
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:22:24
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VKAJZK5.jpg)
Hai thereMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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:'( love the last one, please make it
Says you with the 456 :(
:p I will never get enough pink keyboard
Post by: trizkut on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:30:18
:p I will never get enough pink keyboard
Seconded.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:35:12
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:36:50
Hey Doc, how will this GB run? Do you have your own website to handle orders & checkouts or will you be using a 3rd party?
Checkout will most likely go through my site (in order to secure # positions). I'll be setting up the options once we get quotes in. The number you get will not be disclosed until it arrives at your doorstep.
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:47:45
Since it's a limited run with an early bird incentive, do you anticipate any capacity issues (DDoS)?Hey Doc, how will this GB run? Do you have your own website to handle orders & checkouts or will you be using a 3rd party?
Checkout will most likely go through my site (in order to secure # positions). I'll be setting up the options once we get quotes in. The number you get will not be disclosed until it arrives at your doorstep.
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 18:52:55
Since it's a limited run with an early bird incentive, do you anticipate any capacity issues (DDoS)?Hey Doc, how will this GB run? Do you have your own website to handle orders & checkouts or will you be using a 3rd party?
Checkout will most likely go through my site (in order to secure # positions). I'll be setting up the options once we get quotes in. The number you get will not be disclosed until it arrives at your doorstep.
Unless you guys intentionally ddos my service provider, I don't see any issues arising. I've already set up my site to handle high loads (which handled the Gateron spike of orders with no problems).
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 19:16:25
:p I will never get enough pink keyboard
Seconded.
Another 4k Render @ 100 passes
(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)
Post by: jonathanyu on Sat, 28 March 2015, 19:17:35
:p I will never get enough pink keyboard
Seconded.
Another 4k Render @ 100 passesShow Image(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)
Too magenta, I dont like it :'(
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:34:13
Since it's a limited run with an early bird incentive, do you anticipate any capacity issues (DDoS)?Hey Doc, how will this GB run? Do you have your own website to handle orders & checkouts or will you be using a 3rd party?
Checkout will most likely go through my site (in order to secure # positions). I'll be setting up the options once we get quotes in. The number you get will not be disclosed until it arrives at your doorstep.
Unless you guys intentionally ddos my service provider, I don't see any issues arising. I've already set up my site to handle high loads (which handled the Gateron spike of orders with no problems).
Good to know. Out of curiosity I took a peek and saw you're using Shopify. Definitely not worried about capacity issues with them, which makes me happy because I won't want to miss this buy.
By my count this IC is already at about 70 interested persons. I think these things are going to move fast!!
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 March 2015, 20:58:59
:p I will never get enough pink keyboard
Seconded.
Another 4k Render @ 100 passesShow Image(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)
Thanks son
Post by: derezzed on Sat, 28 March 2015, 21:38:57
Post by: LXXXIX on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:06:46
I'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
Design it! :D
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:32:18
What about a mix of Red, White, and Blue, like the NASA Logo? Maybe red mods, blue alphas, white text, or blue mods, red alphas, white text, or maybe white mods and alphas, with a combination or blue and red for the alphas and mods textI'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
Design it! :D
Post by: Zeal on Sat, 28 March 2015, 22:52:56
4k, 100+ passes as well.
(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:02:10
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Just for fun:Show Image(http://puu.sh/gTyXh/347acdbc93.jpg)
*note to self: don't render with a black background, the sides become grainy.
I need this for reasons
Post by: njbair on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:06:01
What about a mix of Red, White, and Blue, like the NASA Logo? Maybe red mods, blue alphas, white text, or blue mods, red alphas, white text, or maybe white mods and alphas, with a combination or blue and red for the alphas and mods textI'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
Design it! :D
I've actually been working on a space-inspired SA set using red white & blue, but with more of a dirty, off-white "re-entry" feel to it. I've adapted it for TKL just now after reading this. I call it Astrobot (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/b7730758831b8f7cc44218c4bb397d41).
Post by: Data on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:10:34
Gotta make at least one #gold render too. :P
4k, 100+ passes as well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5PKqkhz.gif)
If gold anodized was an option I might have to buy 2. :P
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:11:11
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:11:31
EDIT: oops i'm tired i was supposed to press edit
sorry friends
Post by: Heliosphere on Sat, 28 March 2015, 23:19:05
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VKAJZK5.jpg)
Hai thereMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/YgF5TpP.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ia4sbR7.jpg)
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Yeahhh, I'm gonna need one of these.
Post by: abjr on Sun, 29 March 2015, 00:38:14
... this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
DEEP SPACE (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65810.0) seems appropriate.
Gotta make at least one #gold render too. :P
4k, 100+ passes as well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
Very nice! However, I still want the blue from the OP with a plate that matches ... will that be an option?
Post by: SixtyLife on Sun, 29 March 2015, 03:21:53
Gotta make at least one #gold render too. :PI need this
4k, 100+ passes as well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 03:26:54
Gotta make at least one #gold render too. :P
4k, 100+ passes as well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
Wow.... I never would've thought that gold would look so amazing on a keyboard...
Post by: FoC_Tow on Sun, 29 March 2015, 05:07:03
Another 4k Render @ 100 passesShow Image(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 29 March 2015, 09:51:25
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:22:29
More
(http://puu.sh/gUvPg/422b6496a1.png)
(http://puu.sh/gUvVx/33e93315b6.png)
(http://puu.sh/gUvVx/33e93315b6.png)
Post by: Sygaldry on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:23:50
I'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.Already decided that I will be putting a GMK Hyperfuse set on this. :cool:
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:42:51
Post by: derezzed on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:46:09
I'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
Design it! :D
I used the custom key set designer on WASD to create this and added a mockup of one of Booper's astronaut key caps.
[attach=1]
With the site's limited color options, I tried to make a colorway inspired by the lunar surface. I think it would look good on the gray keyboard in the OP and on the pink render created by Zeal. But I think the Mira needs a more polished design for its key set.
I tried making something to reflect the theme of the binary star but it looks awful.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/37dd711f75e80c0e0255a4195b1c5c1c (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/37dd711f75e80c0e0255a4195b1c5c1c)
Image of Mira
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It's not practical, but I think a set of backlit black keys without alphanumeric legends but with legends resembling the night sky would look awesome. The assembled alpha and mod keys would look something like this.
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Post by: Bromono on Sun, 29 March 2015, 15:52:56
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:11:17
As always, 4k render. :)
(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:22:58
Metallic blue anyone? This time in WKL!
As always, 4k render. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Winkeyless blockers, updated case height, and a new plate to boot :thumb:
plate now has cutouts for easy switch removal, stepped caps lock, short right shift, and compatibility for 87 and 84 key layouts!
Post by: Sifo on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:25:38
Metallic blue anyone? This time in WKL!
As always, 4k render. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Can I have one yet?
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:25:58
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:27:06
Metallic blue anyone? This time in WKL!
As always, 4k render. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Can I have one yet?
I know right XD
Just gives me something to look forward to
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:27:43
Metallic blue anyone? This time in WKL!
As always, 4k render. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Can I have one yet?
I know right XD
Just gives me something to look forward to
And some free wallpaper for 4k monitors :p
Post by: Zeroo on Sun, 29 March 2015, 17:49:53
Post by: FreeCopy on Sun, 29 March 2015, 18:14:18
This is something I'm really looking forward to.
Metallic blue anyone? This time in WKL!
As always, 4k render. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)
Winkeyless blockers, updated case height, and a new plate to boot :thumb:
plate now has cutouts for easy switch removal, stepped caps lock, short right shift, and compatibility for 87 and 84 key layouts!
Rather accommodating options. Very nice!
Post by: Zeal on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:06:09
4k @ 100+ Passes
(http://i.imgur.com/MI0jkbh.jpg)
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:15:43
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:19:55
I like some of these colored renders, but dies anyone else feel apprehensive about choosing a color that might potentially limit your cap options on such a pricey custom board?
I am in that boat, but it's really personal preference. I am sure that there will be MOQ attached to the color options, or only a few offered. I wouldn't worry if you want a more neutral color there will be at least one sort of grey/silver offered (assumption on my part). I know i will be jumping on a darker gey/gunmetal if that option is offered. Otherwise, i will asses what is there and get the next best one i like, be it silver, black, etc etc..
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:21:25
I like some of these colored renders, but dies anyone else feel apprehensive about choosing a color that might potentially limit your cap options on such a pricey custom board?
I am in that boat, but it's really personal preference. I am sure that there will be MOQ attached to the color options, or only a few offered. I wouldn't worry if you want a more neutral color there will be at least one sort of grey/silver offered (assumption on my part). I know i will be jumping on a darker gey/gunmetal if that option is offered. Otherwise, i will asses what is there and get the next best one i like, be it silver, black, etc etc..
Yes, these colors are mostly just for fun. It is likely that the final buy will contain only one or two of these "exotic" colors.
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:25:06
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:27:30
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:31:23
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:34:03
Need to round off those sharp edges inside the arrow cluster with the same radius as the rest of the corners.
I had this conversation earlier with Zeal. Many customs such as the Corsa or the 356cl have those two corners un-filleted. Honestly when I use the same radius it looks weird. I may add a more subtle curve, but overall it will probably stay that way.
Post by: metalliqaz on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:37:36
Need to round off those sharp edges inside the arrow cluster with the same radius as the rest of the corners.
I had this conversation earlier with Zeal. Many customs such as the Corsa or the 356cl have those two corners un-filleted. Honestly when I use the same radius it looks weird. I may add a more subtle curve, but overall it will probably stay that way.
I just checked a few of my Aluminum boards. You're right. For example, the Cheat rounds those corners but with much smaller radius. Looks like KMAC uses the same small radius on all the internal corners.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:40:19
Need to round off those sharp edges inside the arrow cluster with the same radius as the rest of the corners.
I had this conversation earlier with Zeal. Many customs such as the Corsa or the 356cl have those two corners un-filleted. Honestly when I use the same radius it looks weird. I may add a more subtle curve, but overall it will probably stay that way.
The WKL blocks are sharp-cornered, too. It's because they're outside corners, unlike the rest which are inside corners.
For those without manufacturing experience, you can't machine a sharp inside corner because spinning mills will always cut round. You can minimize this fillet/radius by using a smaller cutter, but only to a point. The only way to fabricate a sharp inside corner would be casting or die-punching, neither of which yield the same beautiful result as a milled piece.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 29 March 2015, 19:55:42
I'm currently transitioning to 60% boards but I really want to see this board made. I think the Mira will put the KMAC and the 356 to shame. The right key set on this board is going to take it to the next level. Something with a full SA profile would look good, but really, this board needs a key set designed specifically for it.
Design it! :D
I used the custom key set designer on WASD to create this and added a mockup of one of Booper's astronaut key caps.
(Attachment Link)
With the site's limited color options, I tried to make a colorway inspired by the lunar surface. I think it would look good on the gray keyboard in the OP and on the pink render created by Zeal. But I think the Mira needs a more polished design for its key set.
I tried making something to reflect the theme of the binary star but it looks awful.
http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/37dd711f75e80c0e0255a4195b1c5c1c (http://www.keyboard-layout-editor.com/#/layouts/37dd711f75e80c0e0255a4195b1c5c1c)
Image of Mira
(Attachment Link)
It's not practical, but I think a set of backlit black keys without alphanumeric legends but with legends resembling the night sky would look awesome. The assembled alpha and mod keys would look something like this.
(Attachment Link)
I like the greys, but not so sure about the legends they are a little bland.
I'm not to fond of the second one either. :confused:
I think Cospar (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62327.0) wouldv'e been perfect for this. Shame this never took off (No pun intended :p).
Post by: feizor on Sun, 29 March 2015, 20:19:32
I like some of these colored renders, but dies anyone else feel apprehensive about choosing a color that might potentially limit your cap options on such a pricey custom board?
I am in that boat, but it's really personal preference. I am sure that there will be MOQ attached to the color options, or only a few offered. I wouldn't worry if you want a more neutral color there will be at least one sort of grey/silver offered (assumption on my part). I know i will be jumping on a darker gey/gunmetal if that option is offered. Otherwise, i will asses what is there and get the next best one i like, be it silver, black, etc etc..
Yes, these colors are mostly just for fun. It is likely that the final buy will contain only one or two of these "exotic" colors.
I have too many neutral color boards, I will be in for an exotic!
Post by: korrelate on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:00:48
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:05:05
just curious: is the logo milled into/ through the surface or is it a sticker? If milled, any chance of ordering without? It's a cool design, don't get me wrong, jus not a fan of logos.
Would also like to know about no top logo? I wouldn't be using any LEDs other then the lock keys anyways.
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:11:11
I am not the biggest fan of the acrylic insert, i would prefer to be able to use a alu insert and possibly in a different color, although i don't see this being feasible in the as i am probably a minority.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:14:05
just curious: is the logo milled into/ through the surface or is it a sticker? If milled, any chance of ordering without? It's a cool design, don't get me wrong, jus not a fan of logos.
Would also like to know about no top logo? I wouldn't be using any LEDs other then the lock keys anyways.
Well I havent heard back from CNC shops yet, depending on the cost there may be an engraved logo option. Either way there is nothing stopping you from not installing the logo LEDs
Post by: Bromono on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:16:07
Post by: CommonCurt on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:17:54
I am not the biggest fan of the acrylic insert, i would prefer to be able to use a alu insert and possibly in a different color, although i don't see this being feasible in the as i am probably a minority.
I was actually thinking the same thing about the aluminum insert. The main reason why I wouldn't want the acrylic is because I wouldn't be putting LEDs under it anyway.
Not that the acrylic would keep me from getting one. It just wouldn't be lit up.
*Edit* A engraved logo would be a great option also :thumb:
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:21:09
just curious: is the logo milled into/ through the surface or is it a sticker? If milled, any chance of ordering without? It's a cool design, don't get me wrong, jus not a fan of logos.
Would also like to know about no top logo? I wouldn't be using any LEDs other then the lock keys anyways.
Well I havent heard back from CNC shops yet, depending on the cost there may be an engraved logo option. Either way there is nothing stopping you from not installing the logo LEDs
Would opting out of the acrylic and replace it with the engraving drive down the cost? If so about how do you think? Don't get me wrong the LED logo is really neat, but I'm just curious.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:21:24
just curious: is the logo milled into/ through the surface or is it a sticker? If milled, any chance of ordering without? It's a cool design, don't get me wrong, jus not a fan of logos.
Would also like to know about no top logo? I wouldn't be using any LEDs other then the lock keys anyways.
Well I havent heard back from CNC shops yet, depending on the cost there may be an engraved logo option. Either way there is nothing stopping you from not installing the logo LEDs
Engraving could only be cheaper, since it's basically the same cut but at only .030" deep instead of through the top plate.
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:22:02
I am not the biggest fan of the acrylic insert, i would prefer to be able to use a alu insert and possibly in a different color, although i don't see this being feasible in the as i am probably a minority.
I was actually thinking the same thing about the aluminum insert. The main reason why I wouldn't want the acrylic is because I wouldn't be putting LEDs under it anyway.
Not that the acrylic would keep me from getting one. It just wouldn't be lit up.
For me, i am really not sure if i would use it with LED's or not under the logo, i would like to see it in action or test it myself to see how i felt.
Then if i didn't like it and there was an option for the alu insert i would jump on it, if not to change the feel every now and then. But yeah, i have accepted that if there is only the acrylic insert that is fine by me.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:26:00
I am not the biggest fan of the acrylic insert, i would prefer to be able to use a alu insert and possibly in a different color, although i don't see this being feasible in the as i am probably a minority.
I was actually thinking the same thing about the aluminum insert. The main reason why I wouldn't want the acrylic is because I wouldn't be putting LEDs under it anyway.
Not that the acrylic would keep me from getting one. It just wouldn't be lit up.
For me, i am really not sure if i would use it with LED's or not under the logo, i would like to see it in action or test it myself to see how i felt.
Then if i didn't like it and there was an option for the alu insert i would jump on it, if not to change the feel every now and then. But yeah, i have accepted that if there is only the acrylic insert that is fine by me.
just to be clear, the LEDs are not underneath the insert, they are part of a LED strip that gets mounted sideways. The light will not point directly at you. As for engraving vs acrylic, it would likely drive down cost for engraving. I am still waiting for price quotes though.
Post by: Alex92 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 21:43:51
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 29 March 2015, 22:07:01
Post by: sethk_ on Sun, 29 March 2015, 22:40:18
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 29 March 2015, 23:36:13
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 29 March 2015, 23:49:20
Post by: exitfire401 on Sun, 29 March 2015, 23:54:51
Down for number 69 in lime green ;) (btw, I'll gladly pay for a custom anno color if it comes down to it)
Just for fun:Show Image(http://puu.sh/gTyXh/347acdbc93.jpg)
*note to self: don't render with a black background, the sides become grainy.
If this color is allowed, I'll be instabuying.
Post by: cryptowillem on Mon, 30 March 2015, 00:34:15
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 March 2015, 00:35:01
4k, 300 passes :eek:
(http://puu.sh/gUSdk/65c7675012.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/DUPdEtn.jpg)
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 30 March 2015, 07:06:51
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 30 March 2015, 07:39:49
Premium CNC milled logo insert would be baller as hell.
I would actually prefer this compared to the acrylic and the engraving. It seems like a good middle ground for having something really unique and for the folks that don't want the clear acrylic.
The only question I have would be would it wiggle? Like would it be a good snug fit? :confused:
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 08:25:12
Premium CNC milled logo insert would be baller as hell.
Premium CNC milled logo insert would be baller as hell.
I would actually prefer this compared to the acrylic and the engraving. It seems like a good middle ground for having something really unique and for the folks that don't want the clear acrylic.
The only question I have would be would it wiggle? Like would it be a good snug fit? :confused:
CNC milled out of what? A different kind of metal?
CNC machines are so precise and so repeatable that "wiggle" would be a non-issue. In fact, the acrylic insert is likely going to be CNC-machined to fit the cutout.
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:27:58
Graphite/Dark Gray:
(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
Mint or Cyan?
(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)
Attempt at replicating TA Mod colour (This one ran overnight for 500+ passes, some colour bleed on the plate as the original render turned out too dark, so I tried to fix it up in PS :( )
(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:35:10
Post by: Sifo on Mon, 30 March 2015, 12:52:22
Post by: njbair on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:08:34
Played around with some colour options last night.
Graphite/Dark Gray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
Mint or Cyan?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)
Attempt at replicating TA Mod colour (This one ran overnight for 500+ passes, some colour bleed on the plate as the original render turned out too dark, so I tried to fix it up in PS :( )Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
Dat TA color doe. Hnng!
Post by: Heliosphere on Mon, 30 March 2015, 13:10:14
Played around with some colour options last night.
Graphite/Dark Gray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
Mint or Cyan?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)
Attempt at replicating TA Mod colour (This one ran overnight for 500+ passes, some colour bleed on the plate as the original render turned out too dark, so I tried to fix it up in PS :( )Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
Love the graphite and TA color.
Post by: Joey Quinn on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:09:58
Post by: strict on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:13:30
Post by: Zeroo on Mon, 30 March 2015, 14:49:22
Post by: Blackehart on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:31:10
Post by: Sygaldry on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:32:14
Post by: Rodgaroon on Mon, 30 March 2015, 15:58:22
Post by: joey on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:03:47
Post by: Zeal on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:24:50
Is there a white case/white plate render? :-*
It's not possible to anodize white, so that's why there's never been a white anodized case.
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:25:40
few questions
price?
gold colorway?
when?
if it's soon i might be able to pass it off to my parents as a birthday present
Post by: HTN47 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:36:38
full disclosure: too lazy to read entire thread
few questions
price?
gold colorway?
when?
if it's soon i might be able to pass it off to my parents as a birthday present
I think the goal is to have it be less than the Orion v2, which is $400, so basically less than $400... If possible? And it's probably happening around summer ^_^
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:39:00
might be worth it...
Post by: joey on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:39:54
Is there a white case/white plate render? :-*
It's not possible to anodize white, so that's why there's never been a white anodized case.
Can't you just render one for funsies? :)
Post by: Puddsy on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:42:14
Post by: HTN47 on Mon, 30 March 2015, 16:56:25
well, that would mean selling half my collection...
might be worth it...
I think it's worth it ^_^
It's better to have 1 nice but expensive board that you enjoy and love rather than a bunch of affordable boards that you like but don't LOVE!
Post by: theanyday on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:10:01
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:20:58
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:42:09
Would love to get in on this especially if there is a NASA blue type color. Huge space fan here and am trying to throw my money at you right now. As I'm fairly new to the site aside from lurking a bit is there some sort of mailing list that I can be added to about this?
Great to hear there are some more space nerds on GH! No mailing list, but I will post and significant updates or new photos in the first comment under the OP. :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:45:39
full disclosure: too lazy to read entire thread
few questions
price?
gold colorway?
when?
if it's soon i might be able to pass it off to my parents as a birthday present
I would suggest reading OP, TS :))
price: undisclosed, waiting on estimates
colors: were mostly just playing for now until we know our options. I have expressed that a hard anodizing option will likely be avalible along with one or two more "exotic colors'"
time: no time scale yet. Shipping some time in summer is a safe bet though.
Post by: Pemdas on Mon, 30 March 2015, 17:47:05
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 30 March 2015, 18:23:01
Post by: pr0ximity on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:25:14
Premium CNC milled logo insert would be baller as hell.CNC milled out of what? A different kind of metal?
CNC machines are so precise and so repeatable that "wiggle" would be a non-issue. In fact, the acrylic insert is likely going to be CNC-machined to fit the cutout.
No, just out of ALU 6061 or whatever. I mean steel would be cool to go along with the rear weight, but it would probably look sweet to have a grey/silver case with NASA blue anodized aluminum insert. I think it would look much nicer than having an acrylic logo in the middle of a full aluminum+steel board, but I've also never really been a fan of lighted acrylic.
Unfortunately I don't think one of these is in the cards for me right now as I blew my keyboard budget a bit prematurely :)) Still fun to think of possibilities.
Post by: slaction on Mon, 30 March 2015, 19:51:16
Post by: Velendil on Tue, 31 March 2015, 00:09:09
Post by: KnivesM on Tue, 31 March 2015, 00:14:38
Premium CNC milled logo insert would be baller as hell.CNC milled out of what? A different kind of metal?
CNC machines are so precise and so repeatable that "wiggle" would be a non-issue. In fact, the acrylic insert is likely going to be CNC-machined to fit the cutout.
No, just out of ALU 6061 or whatever. I mean steel would be cool to go along with the rear weight, but it would probably look sweet to have a grey/silver case with NASA blue anodized aluminum insert. I think it would look much nicer than having an acrylic logo in the middle of a full aluminum+steel board, but I've also never really been a fan of lighted acrylic.
Unfortunately I don't think one of these is in the cards for me right now as I blew my keyboard budget a bit prematurely :)) Still fun to think of possibilities.
Oooh yes having a 2nd color milled insert instead of acrylic would be awesome!
Post by: techmattr on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:10:05
Played around with some colour options last night.
Graphite/Dark Gray:MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
Mint or Cyan?MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)
Attempt at replicating TA Mod colour (This one ran overnight for 500+ passes, some colour bleed on the plate as the original render turned out too dark, so I tried to fix it up in PS :( )MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
All three of these look amazing.
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:23:39
Post by: Data on Tue, 31 March 2015, 14:28:57
Post by: monotagary on Tue, 31 March 2015, 15:37:13
Silver housing, GMK Cyrillic, Red LEDs... It was so beautiful.
Glorious cosmonaut keyboard will be mine.
Post by: Fire Brand on Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:28:39
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 31 March 2015, 17:48:53
Looking really nice all these renders, I would be sad now if you went live and by the time I woke up they where gone :X 1+ For NASA Blue though looks like it would be a real nice colour o:
Yeah i would be sad also, i think DrHubble mentioned that the date of the GB opening will be posted somewhere in advance, i really hope the time is also. I know i will probably camp it as hard as people camped the redlenac thread that day. Missing out would likely make me cry :D
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:24:08
Post by: HPE1000 on Tue, 31 March 2015, 18:43:45
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:41:49
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:44:13
Its the amount of work between soldering, sourcing parts, and managing all of the components.Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:49:32
Having said that OMG I AM 100% IN TAKE MY MONEY NOW!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:53:39
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
At the potential cost of each keyboard, the buy will already be potentially worth a great deal of money. I have liability for all the parts and I don't feel comfortable running a buy that could potentially overwhelm me. Moreover the exclusivity of the buy will add to the resale value of each board, something that is important when you consider the investment participants in this buy will be making.
I promise that if you want a board, and are willing to camp out the group buy thread, you will get one. I cannot promise that someone who stumbles in a week after the thread launches will have the same luxury.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:55:46
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:57:56
If all goes well, I have another design, something smaller, more affordable that will be open to everyone.A 60% would be cool to have, especially if it follows the same general design
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 31 March 2015, 19:59:29
If all goes well, I have another design, something smaller, more affordable that will be open to everyone.A 60% would be cool to have, especially if it follows the same general design
Not 60% but be patient, it will surely apear in my signature at some point :p
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 31 March 2015, 20:02:28
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
At the potential cost of each keyboard, the buy will already be potentially worth a great deal of money. I have liability for all the parts and I don't feel comfortable running a buy that could potentially overwhelm me. Moreover the exclusivity of the buy will add to the resale value of each board, something that is important when you consider the investment participants in this buy will be making.
I promise that if you want a board, and are willing to camp out the group buy thread, you will get one. I cannot promise that someone who stumbles in a week after the thread launches will have the same luxury.
Great, thanks for the direct explanation. I will be camping. :-)
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 01 April 2015, 00:45:34
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
At the potential cost of each keyboard, the buy will already be potentially worth a great deal of money. I have liability for all the parts and I don't feel comfortable running a buy that could potentially overwhelm me. Moreover the exclusivity of the buy will add to the resale value of each board, something that is important when you consider the investment participants in this buy will be making.
I promise that if you want a board, and are willing to camp out the group buy thread, you will get one. I cannot promise that someone who stumbles in a week after the thread launches will have the same luxury.
Well count me in as camping out.
Post by: jonathanyu on Wed, 01 April 2015, 01:08:14
Unless the price is prohibitive, it sure looks like interest exceeds 100 units. I don't think there's any benefit to the community in arbitrarily limiting the run. Is it just to drive up the hype and exclusivity? I hope that if it comes to it, that they will just make a larger order.You realize how difficult it would be to run such a massive groupbuy, right? Even 100 keyboards seems pretty difficult to handle. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
Is that the reason? Is 100 orders massive? I'm not disputing that it's a lot if work and financial investment from everyone involved. I just think that with the interest shown, people would gladly pony up the cash to support a larger buy if that was the limiting factor, rather than missing out entirely.
At the potential cost of each keyboard, the buy will already be potentially worth a great deal of money. I have liability for all the parts and I don't feel comfortable running a buy that could potentially overwhelm me. Moreover the exclusivity of the buy will add to the resale value of each board, something that is important when you consider the investment participants in this buy will be making.
I promise that if you want a board, and are willing to camp out the group buy thread, you will get one. I cannot promise that someone who stumbles in a week after the thread launches will have the same luxury.
Well count me in as camping out.
+1
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 06:41:03
http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg
but price is a bit of a worry and the fact i would have to organise assembly... look forward to more details (esp price lol)
Post by: Data on Wed, 01 April 2015, 08:44:25
Interest does not always directly relate to actual participation in a GB, I know there is alot of interest. But, i know there has been things i have seen that at the time i was 100% sure i was getting in on, and for whatever reason financial, the next gb looked better. I did not participate. There may not even be 100 units ordered.
Having said that OMG I AM 100% IN TAKE MY MONEY NOW!
There are still many unknowns. Costs, options, dates; if any or all of these factors don't line up for certain people they could drop out. Interest doesn't count for much at this stage.
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 09:48:50
Interest does not always directly relate to actual participation in a GB, I know there is alot of interest. But, i know there has been things i have seen that at the time i was 100% sure i was getting in on, and for whatever reason financial, the next gb looked better. I did not participate. There may not even be 100 units ordered.
Having said that OMG I AM 100% IN TAKE MY MONEY NOW!
There are still many unknowns. Costs, options, dates; if any or all of these factors don't line up for certain people they could drop out. Interest doesn't count for much at this stage.
there should be a cost goal though, what the person running is hoping/expecting... its how most things are made (to a price or budget)..
Post by: njbair on Wed, 01 April 2015, 10:06:16
there should be a cost goal though, what the person running is hoping/expecting... its how most things are made (to a price or budget)..
Plenty of great choices for sure! I will try and align the GB so that it gives people some time to recover from the Orion if they would like to participate in it. I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 01 April 2015, 11:21:53
there should be a cost goal though, what the person running is hoping/expecting... its how most things are made (to a price or budget)..Plenty of great choices for sure! I will try and align the GB so that it gives people some time to recover from the Orion if they would like to participate in it. I also plan for the cost of the Mira to be under the price of the Orion, not to mention the boards will likely be shipping from the US removing a great deal of cost from the buyer. :thumb:
ahh ok fair enough, prob should be in the OP tho ;)
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:47:09
[...]Just wanted to add something here, not just for you but also for other people. :)
Great, thanks for the direct explanation. I will be camping. :-)
Most GroupBuys for custom boards on this forum are quite low volume. It hasn't been until the recent rise of Mechanical Keyboards and the influx of members to the community that we were able to even gather enough people to make projects like this affordable.
For example:
| |Keyboard GB | |Year | |Price | |# Buyers |
| |Aluminum poker case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28730.0) | |2012 | |$74 | |26 |
| |LZ-GH Edition (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39571.0) | |2013 | |$340 | |44 |
| |Geekhack 6th Anniv MX Keychain (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47148.0) | |2013 | |$3 | |130 |
| |Orion TKL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55523.0) | |2014 | |$400 | |13 |
| |Lightsaver V2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56877.0) | |2014 | |$295 | |29 |
| |Viper and Eagle (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61227.0) | |2014 | |$220 | |76 |
| |Octagon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65036.0) | |2014 | |$295 | |28 |
| |TX1800 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.0) | |2015 | |$335 | |60 (?) |
Go ahead and take a look at the GB section from 2012. What you will find is the rise of Signature Plastics thin ABS novelty keys and the very first aluminum Poker cases. ;)
Everything else was either buying hard to find keyboards like the Poker [Sic] or SP keysets in the classic colors.
Oh, and awesome Titanium spacebars (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34407.0). *WANT* :'(
Before... let's say this year, it was next to impossible to buy any Korean Custom Keyboards unless you had the right connections. With the recent influx of Korean members heading over our way this has changed quite a bit.
This last 6 months alone we had almost 4 real Korean GBs and at least that many Western ones.
As for the list above; notice the dramatic decrease in buyers as the price rises above the $350 point? ;)
There is a limit to how much people are willing to pay for a board.
The Hubble looks like a $400-500 board (or much more) with all the options for customization.
100 interested people might only translate to 20 actual buyers depending on other factors. When it goes on sale, competing GBs, Tax refunds, Vacation bonuses or how fresh/new a certain layout is all factor in to lead to the success of a GB.
It is awesome to see cool pics like Kin25's (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.540).
(http://i.imgur.com/d2AuVrs.jpg)
But the reality is that not a single one of the above mentioned GBs even hit 100 buyers and a board that might be as expensive as the priciest one, or even more, is certainly not going to hit that. No matter how cool it might be. :cool:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 01 April 2015, 12:55:43
[...]Just wanted to add something here, not just for you but also for other people. :)
Great, thanks for the direct explanation. I will be camping. :-)
Most GroupBuys for custom boards on this forum are quite low volume. It hasn't been until the recent rise of Mechanical Keyboards and the influx of members to the community that we were able to even gather enough people to make projects like this affordable.
For example:
|Keyboard GB |Year |Price |# Buyers |Aluminum poker case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28730.0) |2012 |$74 |26 |LZ-GH Edition (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39571.0) |2013 |$340 |44 |Geekhack 6th Anniv MX Keychain (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47148.0) |2013 |$3 |130 |Orion TKL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55523.0) |2014 |$400 |13 |Lightsaver V2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56877.0) |2014 |$295 |29 |Viper and Eagle (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61227.0) |2014 |$220 |76 |Octagon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65036.0) |2014 |$295 |28 |TX1800 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.0) |2015 |$335 |60 (?)
Go ahead and take a look at the GB section from 2012. What you will find is the rise of Signature Plastics thin ABS novelty keys and the very first aluminum Poker cases. ;)
Everything else was either buying hard to find keyboards like the Poker [Sic] or SP keysets in the classic colors.
Oh, and awesome Titanium spacebars (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34407.0). *WANT* :'(
Before... let's say this year it was next to impossible to buy any Korean Custom Keyboards unless you had the right connections. With the recent influx of Korean members heading over our way this has changed quite a bit.
This last 6 months alone we had almost 4 real Korean GBs and at least that many Western ones.
As for the list above; notice the dramatic decrease in buyers as the price rises above the $350 point? ;)
There is a limit to how much people are willing to pay for a board.
The Hubble looks like a $400-500 board (or much more) with all the options for customization.
100 interested people might only translate to 20 actual buyers depending on other factors. When it goes on sale, competing GBs, Tax refunds, Vacation bonuses or how fresh/new a certain layout is all factor in to lead to the success of a GB.
It is awesome to see cool pics like Kin25's (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.540).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/d2AuVrs.jpg)
But the reality is that not a single one of the above mentioned GBs even hit 100 buyers and a board that might be as expensive as the priciest one, or even more, is certainly not going to hit that. No matter how cool it might be. :cool:
Yeah the buy was originally going to be limited to 57 but because winkeyless offered a price drop on pcbs at the 100 mark, I figured I would open it up for the possibility.
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 01 April 2015, 13:49:08
And that's alright. But always make sure you keep it manageable for yourself.Yeah the buy was originally going to be limited to 57 but because winkeyless offered a price drop on pcbs at the 100 mark, I figured I would open it up for the possibility.[...]Just wanted to add something here, not just for you but also for other people. :)
Great, thanks for the direct explanation. I will be camping. :-)
Most GroupBuys for custom boards on this forum are quite low volume. It hasn't been until the recent rise of Mechanical Keyboards and the influx of members to the community that we were able to even gather enough people to make projects like this affordable.
For example:
|Keyboard GB |Year |Price |# Buyers |Aluminum poker case (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=28730.0) |2012 |$74 |26 |LZ-GH Edition (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=39571.0) |2013 |$340 |44 |Geekhack 6th Anniv MX Keychain (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=47148.0) |2013 |$3 |130 |Orion TKL (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=55523.0) |2014 |$400 |13 |Lightsaver V2 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=56877.0) |2014 |$295 |29 |Viper and Eagle (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=61227.0) |2014 |$220 |76 |Octagon (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=65036.0) |2014 |$295 |28 |TX1800 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.0) |2015 |$335 |60 (?)
Go ahead and take a look at the GB section from 2012. What you will find is the rise of Signature Plastics thin ABS novelty keys and the very first aluminum Poker cases. ;)
Everything else was either buying hard to find keyboards like the Poker [Sic] or SP keysets in the classic colors.
Oh, and awesome Titanium spacebars (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=34407.0). *WANT* :'(
Before... let's say this year it was next to impossible to buy any Korean Custom Keyboards unless you had the right connections. With the recent influx of Korean members heading over our way this has changed quite a bit.
This last 6 months alone we had almost 4 real Korean GBs and at least that many Western ones.
As for the list above; notice the dramatic decrease in buyers as the price rises above the $350 point? ;)
There is a limit to how much people are willing to pay for a board.
The Hubble looks like a $400-500 board (or much more) with all the options for customization.
100 interested people might only translate to 20 actual buyers depending on other factors. When it goes on sale, competing GBs, Tax refunds, Vacation bonuses or how fresh/new a certain layout is all factor in to lead to the success of a GB.
It is awesome to see cool pics like Kin25's (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=68443.540).Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/d2AuVrs.jpg)
But the reality is that not a single one of the above mentioned GBs even hit 100 buyers and a board that might be as expensive as the priciest one, or even more, is certainly not going to hit that. No matter how cool it might be. :cool:
And if limiting it to a certain *magic* number makes you feel like an ******* but at least makes you sleep at night, be an *******. ;)
Post by: rpeterclark on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:15:40
Post by: JaccoW on Wed, 01 April 2015, 16:39:30
Thanks for that background information and further explanation, it really helped me get a better perspective.No problem. :)
I enjoyed digging through the forum for a little history lesson. Learned quite a bit myself. :P
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 01 April 2015, 17:56:31
Played around with some colour options last night.
Graphite/Dark Gray:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/bnt09bD.jpg)
Love the Graphite! Its very dark tho, a less black flat gunmetal gray would be sweet!
I would probably end up choosing either a dark grey or bluish grey
OMG +1 yesh! A just ever so slightly bluish grey similar to this (http://i.imgur.com/LBtqmJT.png) maybe?
At the potential cost of each keyboard, the buy will already be potentially worth a great deal of money. I have liability for all the parts and I don't feel comfortable running a buy that could potentially overwhelm me. Moreover the exclusivity of the buy will add to the resale value of each board, something that is important when you consider the investment participants in this buy will be making.
I promise that if you want a board, and are willing to camp out the group buy thread, you will get one. I cannot promise that someone who stumbles in a week after the thread launches will have the same luxury.
Oh Snap...
I better start camping on the group buy to start xD
If all goes well, I have another design, something smaller, more affordable that will be open to everyone.
That Sir, would be amazing! Will smaller design fit the acrylic tho? Ö_Ö
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:16:49
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:18:22
I would be interested to hear if this would deter anyone from buying seeing that it will likely lower the cost considerably. I should have a quote in the next day or two, but the estimate he gave me on the spot seemed very reasonable after the alterations are made to the logo. :thumb:
Post by: fatchoi on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:21:11
Update: I spoke with a potential milling recourse, it may be far more cost efficient to simply engrave the "Mira" logo onto the top of the case. Moreover, the logo may not look right cut through hole seeing that rounded drill bits will not be able to get defined corners on the font.
I would be interested to hear if this would deter anyone from buying seeing that it will likely lower the cost considerably. I should have a quote in the next day or two, but the estimate he gave me on the spot seemed very reasonable after the alterations are made to the logo. :thumb:
Do you mind disclosing the cost estimate pre and post changing the logo?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:22:48
Update: I spoke with a potential milling recourse, it may be far more cost efficient to simply engrave the "Mira" logo onto the top of the case. Moreover, the logo may not look right cut through hole seeing that rounded drill bits will not be able to get defined corners on the font.
I would be interested to hear if this would deter anyone from buying seeing that it will likely lower the cost considerably. I should have a quote in the next day or two, but the estimate he gave me on the spot seemed very reasonable after the alterations are made to the logo. :thumb:
Do you mind disclosing the cost estimate pre and post changing the logo?
Well the estimate he gave me was for the milling cost alone. The price I release will be the price I intend to sell the board at. That said, I am not willing to release the tally of all costs that factor into the cost-to-buyer price estimate.
Or at least for now. Trust me when I say I am keeping profit to an absolute minimum, and have logged my hours working on this project to be sure I am not being unreasonable.
Post by: njbair on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:30:12
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:32:10
I for one would still buy with an engraved logo instead of the cutout. That said, would there be anything on the board that lights up then?The b.Mira PCB supports full backlighting on all switches, but in terms of case elements, probably not if we choose to go with engraving.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:32:36
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:33:28
Is the main issue with the MIRA part of the logo? Is it possible to do a combination but still keep costs down? Engrave the letters, but have the circles milled outg and still be able to use your pcb design to have LED's shine thru.
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:39:59
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:42:48
Post by: njbair on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:45:43
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 07 April 2015, 21:56:59
It seems a shame to lose the lighting altogether. What if the front just had the two circles cut through and the rest of the logo engraved? That would be a much simpler cutting operation than the whole logo.
Ill look into this however im not to certain that the glow would look right being un-centered above the arrow cluster. If it were dark and you were relying on the back light it would probably looks strange. Either way ill investigate. However, I feel more inclined to keep the price down and allow more people the chance to participate in the buy.
Post by: CommonCurt on Tue, 07 April 2015, 23:07:06
I think I would actually rather have the engraving over the cutout
That's a +1 for me
Post by: ghostjuggernaut on Tue, 07 April 2015, 23:14:03
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 07 April 2015, 23:18:33
Won't stop me from buying either way, but just throwing it out there.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 08 April 2015, 01:57:49
Update: I spoke with a potential milling recourse, it may be far more cost efficient to simply engrave the "Mira" logo onto the top of the case. Moreover, the logo may not look right cut through hole seeing that rounded drill bits will not be able to get defined corners on the font.
I would be interested to hear if this would deter anyone from buying seeing that it will likely lower the cost considerably. I should have a quote in the next day or two, but the estimate he gave me on the spot seemed very reasonable after the alterations are made to the logo. :thumb:
I guess I'm in the minority, but I would prefer the cutout -- it's something that feels unique to this board. Without that, it's almost like this is just another aluminum board with an engraved logo.
Won't stop me from buying either way, but just throwing it out there.
To be honest I'm very sad to see that it seems like we are the minority atm but I would very much prefer the cutout acrylic logo over engraving as well.
The acrylic Mira Logo is definitely a very unique feature of the design that makes it very different from being just another tkl and loosing out on it would take a way quite a lot from the original design that simple engraving just can't replace for imo.
I could definitely understand if the font of the logo had to be changed or simplified for easier machining, but engraving really doesn't seem like an appropriate alternative to me to live up with the beauty of the original design...
Post by: Heliosphere on Wed, 08 April 2015, 02:30:49
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 April 2015, 06:54:38
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 08 April 2015, 07:13:19
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 08 April 2015, 07:32:30
I'm all for seeing YOUR vision come to life. I'm rooting for you DrHubblePhD! :thumb:
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 April 2015, 08:30:18
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Please this.
Design by comity is bad and has always been bad for a reason.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 April 2015, 09:25:58
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Please this.
Design by comity is bad and has always been bad for a reason.
Understood, just want to be sure that those who showed interest would not be deterred. I consider this a project for the benefit of geekhack, not a project for me that could also help the community.
Post by: Sygaldry on Wed, 08 April 2015, 09:36:51
Post by: monotagary on Wed, 08 April 2015, 10:30:40
Hubble, I think that a majority of us here on GH, well those that are into customs, are going to want to get in on this board, no matter what design you finally settle on.
Post by: abjr on Wed, 08 April 2015, 11:10:53
I don't necessarily care if the logo is an acrylic insert, but I think it would be nice if it was two-tone somehow so it stands out.
Post by: baldgye on Wed, 08 April 2015, 11:13:09
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Please this.
Design by comity is bad and has always been bad for a reason.
Understood, just want to be sure that those who showed interest would not be deterred. I consider this a project for the benefit of geekhack, not a project for me that could also help the community.
I think things like that should be down to you, as this is your design and you should have some say in how it looks. The only thing imo people should have a say in is things like winkey less cases etc and other layout type things :P It's your design, your board, your name make it look ballin' how you see fit :P
(winkey ftw btw B-) haha)
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 08 April 2015, 11:53:19
I think the dropping the cutout will definitely lose it's charm/uniqueness, but I still would prefer the engraving seeing as I wouldn't really use the lighting on the logo. Making the price have a better sweet spot is a plus too. :cool:
I'm all for seeing YOUR vision come to life. I'm rooting for you DrHubblePhD! :thumb:
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Please this.
Design by comity is bad and has always been bad for a reason.
Understood, just want to be sure that those who showed interest would not be deterred. I consider this a project for the benefit of geekhack, not a project for me that could also help the community.
I agree and support that its your design and decision DrHubble! :thumb:
However just to be honest and voice my opinion, I personally would be pretty much completely opposed to going with engraving rather then acrylic inlay.
I'm not usually that stoked about lighting or acrylic parts and I'm actually surprised my self it means that much to me on your design.
But the acrylic Mira logo really adds to the overall impression and made the design very unique imo, and loosing out on it might actually end up being a determining factor for me.
I'm also generally not a big fan of engravings to be honest, and going with engraving would to me feel like going with something pretty common rather then something very unique.
Since I can imagine the machining of both case and acrylic to fit perfectly to be pretty expensive and difficult, could it be an option to for example:
- make a rectangle recess on the inside of the case for a simple rectangle piece of acrylic to sit in, then only cutout the Mira logo in the thin aluminum layer above?
(so pretty much have the acrylic below the aluminum rather then sit flush in the cutout to simplify machining)
- make a rectangle cutout all the way thru so you get a flush (or maybe slightly recessed to cover possible gaps on fitting) rectangle acrylic piece on the top and then engrave the logo in the acrylic?
(so pretty much replace part of the case with rectangle acrylic and engrave acrylic just as you would the case itself)
- make a rectangle recess on top to fit a thin metal plate flush with the case, on which the logo could be laser/water cut, which should be a lot cheaper then cnc I guess. Then just fit a slightly smaller piece of acrylic in a cutout below.
(so pretty much replace part of the case with a thin plate with the logo cutout and have acrylic below)
Sorry for the long text btw but I just wanted to throw out some ideas that came to mind to simplify machining while still keeping the unique style of a acrylic logo... :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 April 2015, 11:58:53
[/more]I think the dropping the cutout will definitely lose it's charm/uniqueness, but I still would prefer the engraving seeing as I wouldn't really use the lighting on the logo. Making the price have a better sweet spot is a plus too. :cool:
I'm all for seeing YOUR vision come to life. I'm rooting for you DrHubblePhD! :thumb:It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Please this.
Design by comity is bad and has always been bad for a reason.
Understood, just want to be sure that those who showed interest would not be deterred. I consider this a project for the benefit of geekhack, not a project for me that could also help the community.
Okay here is the scoop. I appreciate your ideas, however the issue is that through cutting would probably ruin the font. I just recieved my quote for the engraved version. While I don't have a price for you yet, I will say that you will likely not like the price if we were to keep the insert and top through hole cut.
We will still include the rgb LED's on the PCB, and in the future, if there is enough interest, we could separately produce a second version of the top with the original cutout and insert.
Edit: sorry missed the concept of some of your ideas. I would be worried with a plate or block that it would detract from the cleaness of the design.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 08 April 2015, 12:21:30
Okay here is the scoop. I appreciate your ideas, however the issue is that through cutting would probably ruin the font. I just recieved my quote for the engraved version. While I don't have a price for you yet, I will say that you will likely not like the price if we were to keep the insert and top through hole cut.
We will still include the rgb LED's on the PCB, and in the future, if there is enough interest, we could separately produce a second version of the top with the original cutout and insert.
I can definitely understand the acrylic logo would mean additional difficulties.
However I'm not sure if I understand correctly what you mean by 'through cutting would probably ruin the font'.
I understand your original concern that,
the logo may not look right cut through hole seeing that rounded drill bits will not be able to get defined corners on the font.
But I don't really see the issue with engraving into acrylic vs aluminum (since the result should be similar I guess) or even laser cutting the logo into a thin plate (since laser cutting should also be able to create defined corners unlike the drill bits and therefore fix the issue of the font being ruined afaik)...
It should also be significantly cheaper since you would only have to machine the font into the acrylic or metal rather then both, as well as the fact that laser cutting should be a cheaper machining option then doing it with cnc.
I very much understand the original design would be expensive and difficult to realize, but I think something along this lines would minimize the add-on cost for the logo quite a lot, and I personally wouldn't mind paying a bit more for the beauty of the OG design... =)
Post by: unoab on Wed, 08 April 2015, 12:32:16
Post by: SixtyLife on Wed, 08 April 2015, 12:45:39
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 April 2015, 15:19:24
Okay here is the scoop. I appreciate your ideas, however the issue is that through cutting would probably ruin the font. I just recieved my quote for the engraved version. While I don't have a price for you yet, I will say that you will likely not like the price if we were to keep the insert and top through hole cut.
We will still include the rgb LED's on the PCB, and in the future, if there is enough interest, we could separately produce a second version of the top with the original cutout and insert.
I can definitely understand the acrylic logo would mean additional difficulties.
However I'm not sure if I understand correctly what you mean by 'through cutting would probably ruin the font'.
I understand your original concern that,the logo may not look right cut through hole seeing that rounded drill bits will not be able to get defined corners on the font.
But I don't really see the issue with engraving into acrylic vs aluminum (since the result should be similar I guess) or even laser cutting the logo into a thin plate (since laser cutting should also be able to create defined corners unlike the drill bits and therefore fix the issue of the font being ruined afaik)...
It should also be significantly cheaper since you would only have to machine the font into the acrylic or metal rather then both, as well as the fact that laser cutting should be a cheaper machining option then doing it with cnc.
I very much understand the original design would be expensive and difficult to realize, but I think something along this lines would minimize the add-on cost for the logo quite a lot, and I personally wouldn't mind paying a bit more for the beauty of the OG design... =)
Im simply concerned that it would negatively effect the aesthetic of the case
Using paint or epoxy you could easily create a two tone look like I have on my Corsa.
What about engraving and then infill with a glow in the dark epoxy? Then it will light up in the dark, sort of mimicking the original lighting but would still be cheaper since it is just engraving. It will not be able to have the lighting change color though and will be very dependent on ambient light, but so are the stars, so I would feel it fits the theme.
Post by: FoC_Tow on Wed, 08 April 2015, 15:31:05
Just to be better explain what I meant, and incase people haven't seen it before i searched for an example of engraved clear acrylic under LED lighting (http://www.shacksign.com/estore/images/categories/coke.JPG).
So this for example would create a window like area to showcase the pcb and still only light up the engraving that reflects the light.
It would however still be quite different from the original design, and your right a plate might also affect aesthetics.
The first idea would basically maintain pretty much the same look but also involves cnc machining which will be difficult on the font...
So I can definitely understand your concerns.
Post by: Data on Wed, 08 April 2015, 18:42:38
Also I find it funny that you keep typing "recourse". ;)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 April 2015, 18:49:29
The acrylic insert seemed like a major feature. I'd be sad to see it go but it wouldn't dissuade me from buying. I'm interested to see your alternative ideas.
Also I find it funny that you keep typing "recourse". ;)
haha how did i not catch that? well you know how those CNC shops work :p
Yeah its sad to see the feature go, but I think you guys will be happier with the overall result.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:01:41
We will likely also be offering different plate materials.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:12:09
So another update, to save a signifigant cost we will not be doing cutouts that allow for opening switch tops while plate mounted. The same options in terms of short right shift, off centered caps lock etc. will still be availible. We are refining our price estimate now, just trying to get the cost down since manufacturing in 'Murica is more expensive than over seas manufacturing.
We will likely also be offering different plate materials.
Good choice!
Honestly, switch top removal isn't that useful after you have found your ideal switch. If you're going to spend $500 on a board you should take the time to figure out what switch you would like on it.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:22:04
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Damn ****ing right.
DrHubblePHD, have you considered doing an engraving then laser cutting an acrylic insert to fit into that engraving groove? Kind of like how the Kingsaver (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58776.0) has? That way you could have options and colors again without driving up the costs too much.
Also I don't think there's anything wrong with engraving.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:26:27
It's YOUR design, as long as YOU are okay with it then I will be. Don't release it until it's perfection.
Damn ****ing right.
DrHubblePHD, have you considered doing an engraving then laser cutting an acrylic insert to fit into that engraving groove? Kind of like how the Kingsaver (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=58776.0) has? That way you could have options and colors again without driving up the costs too much.
Also I don't think there's anything wrong with engraving.
Well the point of the acrylic insert was to have it lit up via an rgb strip. With your idea, if I am not mistaken, the acrylic insert couldn't be lit up therefore rendering it pointless.
This is also a matter of saving on costs and a design like that might get not get us the price we want to hit.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:30:11
Well the point of the acrylic insert was to have it lit up via an rgb strip. With your idea, if I am not mistaken, the acrylic insert couldn't be lit up therefore rendering it pointless.
This is also a matter of saving on costs and a design like that might get not get us the price we want to hit.
Engrave it, punch two or three holes in the case top for a little LED strip to shine through, put the acrylic insert over it, boom lit. Drill press should be a less setup and cost than actually milling that all out.
And you could get different acrylic colors even with it not lit so if you're like sifo, you could get a blue case with a pink acrylic insert.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:34:36
Well the point of the acrylic insert was to have it lit up via an rgb strip. With your idea, if I am not mistaken, the acrylic insert couldn't be lit up therefore rendering it pointless.
This is also a matter of saving on costs and a design like that might get not get us the price we want to hit.
Engrave it, punch two or three holes in the case top for a little LED strip to shine through, put the acrylic insert over it, boom lit. Drill press should be a less setup and cost than actually milling that all out.
That idea definitely has potential however I wouldn't expect the light to diffuse very evenly.
If you look at pictures of duck boards with their acrylic inserts, even when sanded down and frosted, you can clearly see two areas where the light is significantly stronger.
A simple engraving would give us a much cleaner result and I wouldn't want to half ass the design of the acrylic insert idea. Just my two cents.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:37:12
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 09 April 2015, 07:42:51
It's certainly not going to get fixed with a pessimistic attitude ;)
Honestly, I really wanted the idea to work, but the problem with the design like many others is that it will end up looking noticeably underwhelming if not done really well.
It could either look amazing or really ugly.
Also, I won't reveal the quote that was given, but it is a bit on the high end already and now we really need to put good thought into what we put into this board.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 09 April 2015, 08:41:31
Honestly, I really wanted the idea to work, but the problem with the design like many others is that it will end up looking noticeably underwhelming if not done really well.
It could either look amazing or really ugly.
Also, I won't reveal the quote that was given, but it is a bit on the high end already and now we really need to put good thought into what we put into this board.
You're pretty eager to nitpick at ideas but I don't see you coming up with any to solve the issue. Like I said, problems won't get solved with a pessimistic attitude. It won't be done really well if you shoot it down at first glance. It was simply a suggestion and I'm sure it could work with a little tweaking. But it is also a suggestion and I would be happy to see an engraving.
Post by: baldgye on Thu, 09 April 2015, 08:58:54
Honestly, I really wanted the idea to work, but the problem with the design like many others is that it will end up looking noticeably underwhelming if not done really well.
It could either look amazing or really ugly.
Also, I won't reveal the quote that was given, but it is a bit on the high end already and now we really need to put good thought into what we put into this board.
You're pretty eager to nitpick at ideas but I don't see you coming up with any to solve the issue. Like I said, problems won't get solved with a pessimistic attitude. It won't be done really well if you shoot it down at first glance. It was simply a suggestion and I'm sure it could work with a little tweaking. But it is also a suggestion and I would be happy to see an engraving.
he seemed to make pretty fair and valid points though?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 09 April 2015, 09:58:30
Honestly, I really wanted the idea to work, but the problem with the design like many others is that it will end up looking noticeably underwhelming if not done really well.
It could either look amazing or really ugly.
Also, I won't reveal the quote that was given, but it is a bit on the high end already and now we really need to put good thought into what we put into this board.
You're pretty eager to nitpick at ideas but I don't see you coming up with any to solve the issue. Like I said, problems won't get solved with a pessimistic attitude. It won't be done really well if you shoot it down at first glance. It was simply a suggestion and I'm sure it could work with a little tweaking. But it is also a suggestion and I would be happy to see an engraving.
This is a valid option. I am not personally willing to put holes into a product this expensive, however I would be happy to release dimensions and sketches if someone wanted to get a piece of acrylic cut.
As Frosty mentioned, the cost is already high, I would prefer to keep cost down by keeping it simple. This is GeekHACK, if you would like to hack the Mira after you receive it, I would be happy to assist.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 09 April 2015, 10:15:30
The acrylic insert could also just be a flat piece that would go under the top casing which would be dirt cheap. Light would still diffuse properly and evenly enough. Spacing might be tough however.
Post by: abjr on Thu, 09 April 2015, 11:10:20
What would the engraving look like? Would it be similar to an OTD 360c (http://i.imgur.com/ammbFPL.jpg)? Or could it be infilled somehow like fog's Cartesian Longboard (http://i.imgur.com/jHxahjL.jpg)?
I don't necessarily care if the logo is an acrylic insert, but I think it would be nice if it was two-tone somehow so it stands out.
I'll repeat myself ... and as long as I can get that electric blue color from the OP I'll be happy :p
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 10 April 2015, 21:23:03
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 11 April 2015, 12:36:20
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 11 April 2015, 13:45:06
You would get a much better idea of the limitations of the machinery and give people something to discuss.
Perhaps it doesn't even look half bad. :)
And that should not be that expensive. Perhaps $50 or so? Hell, I'd even be willing to throw DrHubblePhD a couple of dollars to get it made and have him shoot some pictures of it.
Edit:
I just pulled out my book on materials and cutting and I can see how it might be very difficult to cut these areas to the desired exactness with round bits.
(http://i.imgur.com/CGBeXON.jpg)
You could probably do it by lasercutting (provided it's less than 20mm thick) but the anodizing could make it difficult to design the inserts to make them fit...
Would the materials of our resident capmakers provide an option? As in fill it up with liquid?
EDIT2:
Can you show us what the underside of the insert currently looks like? It doesn't have to be as thick as the rest of the top plate does it? Would that make it easier for your machine guy?
Post by: njbair on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:17:30
Perhaps a silly question but would it be possible to have a test piece of just the cutout in something like black acrylic (to mimic the aluminum) + frosted acrylic (to serve as our insert)?
You would get a much better idea of the limitations of the machinery and give people something to discuss.
Perhaps it doesn't even look half bad. :)
And that should not be that expensive. Perhaps $50 or so? Hell, I'd even be willing to throw DrHubblePhD a couple of dollars to get it made and have him shoot some pictures of it.
Edit:
I just pulled out my book on materials and cutting and I can see how it might be very difficult to cut these areas to the desired exactness with round bits.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CGBeXON.jpg)
You could probably do it by lasercutting (provided it's less than 20mm thick) but the anodizing could make it difficult to design the inserts to make them fit...
Would the materials of our resident capmakers provide an option? As in fill it up with liquid?
EDIT2:
Can you show us what the underside of the insert currently looks like? It doesn't have to be as thick as the rest of the top plate does it? Would that make it easier for your machine guy?
I thought about all this too. Thinning that area so it doesn't have to be as deep, and you could even use EDM instead of milling or laser cutting. But it's still a whole separate setup/operation which adds a ton of cost. I thought about casting in-place with resin instead of an acrylic cutout. But resins are all polyester-based, not acrylic, which means they don't transmit light as well.
Unfortunately, I just don't think there's a good way to make this happen and still have this be an affordable board.
Post by: JaccoW on Sat, 11 April 2015, 14:32:55
:(Perhaps a silly question but would it be possible to have a test piece of just the cutout in something like black acrylic (to mimic the aluminum) + frosted acrylic (to serve as our insert)?
You would get a much better idea of the limitations of the machinery and give people something to discuss.
Perhaps it doesn't even look half bad. :)
And that should not be that expensive. Perhaps $50 or so? Hell, I'd even be willing to throw DrHubblePhD a couple of dollars to get it made and have him shoot some pictures of it.
Edit:
I just pulled out my book on materials and cutting and I can see how it might be very difficult to cut these areas to the desired exactness with round bits.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/CGBeXON.jpg)
You could probably do it by lasercutting (provided it's less than 20mm thick) but the anodizing could make it difficult to design the inserts to make them fit...
Would the materials of our resident capmakers provide an option? As in fill it up with liquid?
EDIT2:
Can you show us what the underside of the insert currently looks like? It doesn't have to be as thick as the rest of the top plate does it? Would that make it easier for your machine guy?
I thought about all this too. Thinning that area so it doesn't have to be as deep, and you could even use EDM instead of milling or laser cutting. But it's still a whole separate setup/operation which adds a ton of cost. I thought about casting in-place with resin instead of an acrylic cutout. But resins are all polyester-based, not acrylic, which means they don't transmit light as well.
Unfortunately, I just don't think there's a good way to make this happen and still have this be an affordable board.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 11 April 2015, 16:39:56
The cost of the Mira will likely be above a bit above $400 for the full package. This includes: the full alu case, a custom engraved SS weight, a SS plate, gold stabs, and the b.mira pcb with controller pre soldered. That said we are working on options that allow for a lower price and make it more accessible to more people.
Here is the important part. Why the cost is what it is. And most importantly why you should buy a Mira:
- The design is an obviously difficult one to mill since it utilizes curves on many surfaces, something that makes this board unique but costly.
- It will be completely produced in America, from design to manufacturing. You will be supporting a project that brings design and innovation back to our community instead of relying on other communities to do the dirty work. This of course is not cheep, and manufacturing costs will always be higher here than what can be found overseas.
- This board still has a great range of features, even without the insert that will make it a truly unique piece of hardware for your desk. It has a truly unique side profile, a custom engraved weight, a custom pcb with full back lighting support, and don't forget about those gold stabs that will ship as part of the package!
- We are still working hard to provide you as many options for anodization as possible, even a potential for a custom option where you can choose anything you would like!
Remember also that shipping from me to the rest of the US will be considerably cheaper than shipping for other kustoms. So factor that into what you plan on spending.
I hope with some of this information you will support this project when the GB starts. Since the Orion GB has started, I will allow adequate time for your wallets to recover as I acquire a prototype. I am looking into options for alternate plate materials such as polycarbonate that as an option for the buy could bring the mark below $400. In the meantime, continue to voice your support and with your help we can make this the first all out GeekHack custom!
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 11 April 2015, 17:39:45
Here's whats up boys...
The cost of the Mira will likely be above a bit above $400 for the full package. This includes: the full alu case, a custom engraved SS weight, a SS plate, gold stabs, and the b.mira pcb with controller pre soldered. That said we are working on options that allow for a lower price and make it more accessible to more people.
Here is the important part. Why the cost is what it is. And most importantly why you should buy a Mira:
- The design is an obviously difficult one to mill since it utilizes curves on many surfaces, something that makes this board unique but costly.
- It will be completely produced in America, from design to manufacturing. You will be supporting a project that brings design and innovation back to our community instead of relying on other communities to do the dirty work. This of course is not cheep, and manufacturing costs will always be higher here than what can be found overseas.
- This board still has a great range of features, even without the insert that will make it a truly unique piece of hardware for your desk. It has a truly unique side profile, a custom engraved weight, a custom pcb with full back lighting support, and don't forget about those gold stabs that will ship as part of the package!
- We are still working hard to provide you as many options for anodization as possible, even a potential for a custom option where you can choose anything you would like!
Remember also that shipping from me to the rest of the US will be considerably cheaper than shipping for other kustoms. So factor that into what you plan on spending.
I hope with some of this information you will support this project when the GB starts. Since the Orion GB has started, I will allow adequate time for your wallets to recover as I acquire a prototype. I am looking into options for alternate plate materials such as polycarbonate that as an option for the buy could bring the mark below $400. In the meantime, continue to voice your support and with your help we can make this the first all out GeekHack custom!
Well I'm sold for sure. :cool:
Post by: Zeroo on Sat, 11 April 2015, 18:01:42
Post by: monotagary on Sat, 11 April 2015, 18:12:27
Here's whats up boys...
The cost of the Mira will likely be above a bit above $400 for the full package. This includes: the full alu case, a custom engraved SS weight, a SS plate, gold stabs, and the b.mira pcb with controller pre soldered. That said we are working on options that allow for a lower price and make it more accessible to more people.
Here is the important part. Why the cost is what it is. And most importantly why you should buy a Mira:
- The design is an obviously difficult one to mill since it utilizes curves on many surfaces, something that makes this board unique but costly.
- It will be completely produced in America, from design to manufacturing. You will be supporting a project that brings design and innovation back to our community instead of relying on other communities to do the dirty work. This of course is not cheep, and manufacturing costs will always be higher here than what can be found overseas.
- This board still has a great range of features, even without the insert that will make it a truly unique piece of hardware for your desk. It has a truly unique side profile, a custom engraved weight, a custom pcb with full back lighting support, and don't forget about those gold stabs that will ship as part of the package!
- We are still working hard to provide you as many options for anodization as possible, even a potential for a custom option where you can choose anything you would like!
Remember also that shipping from me to the rest of the US will be considerably cheaper than shipping for other kustoms. So factor that into what you plan on spending.
I hope with some of this information you will support this project when the GB starts. Since the Orion GB has started, I will allow adequate time for your wallets to recover as I acquire a prototype. I am looking into options for alternate plate materials such as polycarbonate that as an option for the buy could bring the mark below $400. In the meantime, continue to voice your support and with your help we can make this the first all out GeekHack custom!
I'm sold on this as well! Having a glorious all-American keyboard is really such a treat.
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 11 April 2015, 20:11:05
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 11 April 2015, 20:13:56
Will it be split right shift compatible?
yup
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 11 April 2015, 20:15:06
Will it be split right shift compatible?
yup
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Post by: Data on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:32:40
I thought we were shooting for a keyboard considerably cheaper than the Orion V2. That's not cheaper at all. This makes the decision much harder for me. Disappointing...
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:35:31
North of $400? Really?
I thought we were shooting for a keyboard considerably cheaper than the Orion V2. That's not cheaper at all. This makes the decision much harder for me. Disappointing...
Well im sorry that your disappointing, so am I, no need to be rude.
Post by: hwood34 on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:45:26
North of $400? Really?(http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/images/original/2012/5/20/Herc_is_Disappointed.gif)
I thought we were shooting for a keyboard considerably cheaper than the Orion V2. That's not cheaper at all. This makes the decision much harder for me. Disappointing...
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:46:47
Post by: ATXTider on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:47:33
North of $400? Really?
I thought we were shooting for a keyboard considerably cheaper than the Orion V2. That's not cheaper at all. This makes the decision much harder for me. Disappointing...
u must not love 'murica then...
Post by: Data on Sat, 11 April 2015, 22:53:43
North of $400? Really?
I thought we were shooting for a keyboard considerably cheaper than the Orion V2. That's not cheaper at all. This makes the decision much harder for me. Disappointing...
u must not love 'murica then...
That's what makes it so hard. :'(
Edit: Elton is helping make the decision for me. He just closed orders on Orion V2 after less than 13 hours.
Post by: Alex92 on Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:23:35
Post by: cmadrid on Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:26:05
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:27:19
Any possibility of a cheaper option with a simpler case? After this one is done I suppose :)
Well as I said, if you opt for a polycarb plate the cost will likely be under $400. I dont plan to do another tkl for a while after this, however I have some other projects in the pipe that you might enjoy!
Post by: derezzed on Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:27:24
Post by: cmadrid on Sat, 11 April 2015, 23:36:34
Any possibility of a cheaper option with a simpler case? After this one is done I suppose :)
Well as I said, if you opt for a polycarb plate the cost will likely be under $400. I dont plan to do another tkl for a while after this, however I have some other projects in the pipe that you might enjoy!
I look forward to seeing what else you have coming up, but I really just want a simple TKL keyboard that is solid and not $5000000000000000.. everyone makes 60% boards >_<
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 12 April 2015, 03:46:28
Post by: cmadrid on Sun, 12 April 2015, 11:07:28
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 12 April 2015, 19:43:41
Any possibility of a cheaper option with a simpler case? After this one is done I suppose :)
Well as I said, if you opt for a polycarb plate the cost will likely be under $400. I dont plan to do another tkl for a while after this, however I have some other projects in the pipe that you might enjoy!
I look forward to seeing what else you have coming up, but I really just want a simple TKL keyboard that is solid and not $5000000000000000.. everyone makes 60% boards >_<
Well I have no plans of making anything "simple," synonymous with boring :p I think that what the market needs is something new not more Kmac rehashes ^-^
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 12 April 2015, 19:47:29
how about this, since it's impossible to cater to the majority and keep the prices low, we go all out! Cater to the few! Original design, brass weights at the bottom with some sort of NASA engraving on it, then a small cutout for a circular insert on the side (also brass) with the # engraving on it. The price will be expensive and only a few will have access to them, put limit at 57 orders. In a few years, this will be like the GeekHack version of the 356cl with market value of $3000.00 :p
I don't want to make something that is unobtainable. Right now there haven't been any attempts on GH to make something as complete and complex as Mira so baby steps. If however you want something one off and over the top and are willing to pay for it yourself, I have no problem designing it for you, I just couldn't justify a GB :p
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 13 April 2015, 15:07:10
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/NYDKVJ7.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MI0jkbh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
Those teal colors.... mmmmm :D I'd still love to see a copper version in a TKL.
Post by: cryptowillem on Tue, 14 April 2015, 00:34:45
But this is epic, and closes in on end-game for me, so I'll count my pennies and maybe skip that vacation.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:36:20
(https://www.awesomestories.com/images/user/8bdaba96c2a33d9a6b8c637aaef37c0e.jpg)
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:49:39
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:53:32
Post by: elton5354 on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:54:55
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 16 April 2015, 22:56:34
looking forward to seeing what the announcement is none the less!
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:05:05
Post by: CommonCurt on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:09:27
Cool. Do you have a prototype done? If so, let's see!
+1 Thought that had to be done before the orders started.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:22:26
Cool. Do you have a prototype done? If so, let's see!
+1 Thought that had to be done before the orders started.
Just await the announcement, we understand all your concerns ;D
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:28:46
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:30:57
Perhaps what I should say is that you will get a chance to see the prototype before purchasing. :thumb:
You're gonna send the prototype to each of us before we buy?!? Sign me up! :p
Post by: derezzed on Thu, 16 April 2015, 23:39:01
Hope everyone is ready... we will be announcing a special offer on a very special day...
June 6, the 29th anniversary of the release of Disney's Space Camp; one of Disney's worst movies and an affront to space exploration. Will DrHubblePhD settle the score by producing one of the best custom TKLs with a space theme? *fingers crossed*
Post by: cryptowillem on Fri, 17 April 2015, 00:48:19
Hope everyone is ready... we will be announcing a special offer on a very special day...
I was reading this on my mobile, and the picture was really small. I didn't get it at first, thinking, "But Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space on April 12th, 1961. It's already past April 12th."
Zoomed in and the picture (literally) became clearer. May 5th, then. I'm hyped. It's in my calendar!
Post by: njbair on Fri, 17 April 2015, 07:19:34
Hope everyone is ready... we will be announcing a special offer on a very special day...
June 6, the 29th anniversary of the release of Disney's Space Camp; one of Disney's worst movies and an affront to space exploration. Will DrHubblePhD settle the score by producing one of the best custom TKLs with a space theme? *fingers crossed*
Or even better, a ship date of October 10, the 18th anniversary of the release of Rocketman, one of Disney's funniest movies and Harland Williams' first leading role.
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 17 April 2015, 14:13:11
(yes I know that's not what the pictures are from)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:15:05
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:17:48
What program did you use to design the case?
If you're thinking about getting into CAD, I *highly* suggest going with Pro Engineer or SolidWorks.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:22:18
Did someone say....MADE IN AMERICA?Thanks! I know how to use AutoCAD, and I also have a student license, so that is what I plan on sticking with for 2d drawings, but I know SolidWorks has 3d modeling, hopefully neither don't take too long to get good at.What program did you use to design the case?
If you're thinking about getting into CAD, I *highly* suggest going with Pro Engineer or SolidWorks.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:25:53
What program did you use to design the case?
Designed in Inventor but it's a silly program. I would recommend following CPT's advice and getting started in solidworks.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:26:44
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:27:05
Ok, thanks. I have student licenses for a couple different CAD programs, so I should be able to find one that I like.What program did you use to design the case?
Designed in Inventor but it's a silly program. I would recommend following CPT's advice and getting started in solidworks.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:30:21
If you don't mind me asking, what thickness did you make your plate and top case? I know for plate its around 1.5mm, but no clue where to go for top case thickness.What program did you use to design the case?
Designed in Inventor but it's a silly program. I would recommend following CPT's advice and getting started in solidworks.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:33:06
If you don't mind me asking, what thickness did you make your plate and top case? I know for plate its around 1.5mm, but no clue where to go for top case thickness.What program did you use to design the case?
Designed in Inventor but it's a silly program. I would recommend following CPT's advice and getting started in solidworks.
The plate is 1.5mm. The top of the case has two different thicknesses so I can't give you a number. I am away from my computer right now, but I can give you more details later.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 17 April 2015, 22:33:37
Thanks!If you don't mind me asking, what thickness did you make your plate and top case? I know for plate its around 1.5mm, but no clue where to go for top case thickness.What program did you use to design the case?
Designed in Inventor but it's a silly program. I would recommend following CPT's advice and getting started in solidworks.
The plate is 1.5mm. The top of the case has two different thicknesses so I can't give you a number. I am away from my computer right now, but I can give you more details later.
Post by: Sifo on Sat, 18 April 2015, 00:48:46
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 18 April 2015, 08:35:49
Looks like I won't have funds in time for this but I hope people pick up some blue and #GOLD
This is not the full sale, so keep hope!
Post by: calmfries on Tue, 21 April 2015, 17:51:47
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Post by: doodersbrother on Sun, 26 April 2015, 23:04:38
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 26 April 2015, 23:05:39
Post by: Cottonsox on Sun, 26 April 2015, 23:13:17
BTW guys, new quotes from an alternate CNC source look promising for sub $400. Stay tuned, we may have to move the date for the big announcement ;)
Good news!!! Is with the original design? or changed up without the cutout for the acrylic logo
Post by: calmfries on Sun, 26 April 2015, 23:17:05
BTW guys, new quotes from an alternate CNC source look promising for sub $400. Stay tuned, we may have to move the date for the big announcement ;)
Glad to hear the good news :D
Post by: wakko on Mon, 27 April 2015, 00:07:03
Post by: jaemzp on Mon, 27 April 2015, 03:18:56
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 27 April 2015, 03:51:15
that acrylic cutout is a really cool idea(depending on how much the extra machining drives up cost ) is that currently on the chopping block depending on price? Not to mention the brass insert . I really hope these make the cut because it was a pretty cool and unique design :thumb:BTW guys, new quotes from an alternate CNC source look promising for sub $400. Stay tuned, we may have to move the date for the big announcement ;)
Good news!!! Is with the original design? or changed up without the cutout for the acrylic logo
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 04 May 2015, 09:51:44
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 04 May 2015, 21:38:58
Post by: cryptowillem on Mon, 04 May 2015, 23:56:17
What was the date of the information release again?
Tomorrow! Hooray!!
Post by: Data on Tue, 05 May 2015, 09:20:10
What was the date of the information release again?
Tomorrow! Hooray!!
The anniversary of the Hindenburg disaster! Hooray!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 05 May 2015, 13:10:18
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 05 May 2015, 13:47:44
Sorry guys, no announcement today :'( I have gotten alternate CNC quotes that may lower the price but it will take some time. Hang in there! Info soon I promise!
Hope and dreams were smashed on this day. RIP in Peace. :p Kidding. Anything that makes this as affordable as possible is a big plus. That and my wallet needs to prepare for this..
Post by: Alex92 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 13:51:20
Sorry guys, no announcement today :'( I have gotten alternate CNC quotes that may lower the price but it will take some time. Hang in there! Info soon I promise!
It's great that you have been able to get different price quotes that will hopefully minimize the cost of this project. I'm a little worried that as we get cheaper quotes, though, the quality of the the finished project will decrease. I'm sure you will make the best decision for this project, but I hope that the cost of the keyboard isn't favored over its quality. Thanks for keeping us updated! :thumb:
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 05 May 2015, 22:47:27
Sorry guys, no announcement today :'( I have gotten alternate CNC quotes that may lower the price but it will take some time. Hang in there! Info soon I promise!
SO excited! :)
as above said, quality is the priority since the design of the case is already amazing
dont wanna waste that
Post by: amnesia0287 on Tue, 05 May 2015, 23:43:59
Post by: LXXXIX on Wed, 06 May 2015, 08:41:32
Sorry guys, no announcement today :'( I have gotten alternate CNC quotes that may lower the price but it will take some time. Hang in there! Info soon I promise!
It's great that you have been able to get different price quotes that will hopefully minimize the cost of this project. I'm a little worried that as we get cheaper quotes, though, the quality of the the finished project will decrease. I'm sure you will make the best decision for this project, but I hope that the cost of the keyboard isn't favored over its quality. Thanks for keeping us updated! :thumb:
+1
I just got my Black Gaterons the other day. They are patiently waiting to be part of this keyboard.
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 07 May 2015, 21:47:20
More
(http://i.imgur.com/gJHKfWa.jpg)
More
(http://i.imgur.com/qOUjAMe.jpg)
They look like they would go so nicely with both HyperFuse GMK and Triumph Adler.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 07 May 2015, 23:33:39
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 14 May 2015, 21:24:33
Post by: rawkus on Thu, 14 May 2015, 21:35:36
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 15 May 2015, 10:11:31
Sorry everyone for being so inactive as of late. Rest assured that Mira will be coming to you in time! I should have some more quotes by next week, so stay tuned!
Thx for updating, can't wait
Post by: TestostoBoost on Sat, 16 May 2015, 08:28:14
Post by: E3E on Tue, 19 May 2015, 09:34:15
Now let's just see if my wallet can support the price without buckling.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 20 May 2015, 22:49:06
Would love to support an American custom TKL.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 20 May 2015, 22:52:13
Post by: nova779 on Sun, 24 May 2015, 10:08:34
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 24 May 2015, 10:26:51
This is really exciting really hope I have the budget to join.
Start saving from now :D
Gonna start piggybank tomorrow
Post by: ImDaBaron on Sun, 24 May 2015, 14:08:15
Post by: unipsykal on Mon, 25 May 2015, 00:59:30
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 28 May 2015, 09:57:31
Post by: hadees on Sat, 30 May 2015, 13:59:17
Post by: aznairjordan on Sat, 30 May 2015, 14:22:46
Post by: filphil on Sat, 30 May 2015, 17:24:28
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 30 May 2015, 17:41:30
everyday i hope for this to turn from ic to gbSoon enough
Post by: aznairjordan on Sat, 30 May 2015, 17:46:31
everyday i hope for this to turn from ic to gbSoon enough
sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm pretty new to custom keyboards.
After the group buy starts and everyone is paid up, will it take weeks or months for the case to be milled and pcb's made? Basically what I'm asking is how long you predict it will take to ship out people's orders after invoicing ends.
Post by: radio_killah on Sat, 30 May 2015, 19:24:08
You must learn the way of the geekhacker and wait. Talking about finish dates is useless around here. ;Deveryday i hope for this to turn from ic to gbSoon enough
sorry if this is a dumb question, but I'm pretty new to custom keyboards.
After the group buy starts and everyone is paid up, will it take weeks or months for the case to be milled and pcb's made? Basically what I'm asking is how long you predict it will take to ship out people's orders after invoicing ends.
Post by: filphil on Sun, 31 May 2015, 12:20:32
everyday i hope for this to turn from ic to gbSoon enough
And when it does you will see my name on that list. =D
PS I sent you a message.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 31 May 2015, 22:49:41
everyday i hope for this to turn from ic to gb
You and me both. I've not been this excited about a GB in a long while.
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 01 June 2015, 04:19:05
everyday i hope for this to turn from ic to gbSoon enough
(http://i.giphy.com/B8OjQqrShJ5SM.gif)
Post by: LXXXIX on Mon, 01 June 2015, 07:21:00
Post by: radio_killah on Mon, 01 June 2015, 08:15:57
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 01 June 2015, 08:21:43
This GB is still ANSI only ?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:36:40
Before the actual GB starts do you think you can have a definitive list of all the the finalized colors? Either way I'm looking forward to this.Yeah I am trying to nail down what colors we can offer or if we could possibly offer custom options. Everything will be explicitly clear before the buy starts, don't worry :thumb:
Just realised the other day picking winkeyless pcb that they are doing ISO too.To simplify the plate design, yes. Sorry to disappoint :rolleyes:
This GB is still ANSI only ?
Post by: rawkus on Wed, 03 June 2015, 14:47:09
Post by: tweis on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:00:00
Out of curiosity, if you release the design of the plate, couldn't someone modify and cut out an ansi plate (while keeping the same outline and mounting holes), AND it still should fit within the top cover?Just realised the other day picking winkeyless pcb that they are doing ISO too.To simplify the plate design, yes. Sorry to disappoint :rolleyes:
This GB is still ANSI only ?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 03 June 2015, 20:10:42
Out of curiosity, if you release the design of the plate, couldn't someone modify and cut out an ansi plate (while keeping the same outline and mounting holes), AND it still should fit within the top cover?Just realised the other day picking winkeyless pcb that they are doing ISO too.To simplify the plate design, yes. Sorry to disappoint :rolleyes:
This GB is still ANSI only ?
If the PCB supports it then yeah :p
Post by: fi0x on Mon, 08 June 2015, 05:31:51
Gotta make at least one #gold render too. :PMy Father in Heaven, that gold case looks absolutely amazing.
4k, 100+ passes as well.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/h8ZZGmq.jpg)
I love the colour scheme in this render too. Reminds me of a matte black Toyota Supra with gold rims or a gunmetal grey body to gold rims colour scheme.
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Would anodized sandblasted aluminum (sandblasted then anodized) be available? Considering how late I'm asking, I'm expecting a 'No' but never hurts to ask. XD
Another 4k Render @ 100 passesDem renders...Show Image(http://puu.sh/gTJH2/eb6a88d763.jpg)
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Amazing work Zeal
That would be zealpc.net correct?Hey Doc, how will this GB run? Do you have your own website to handle orders & checkouts or will you be using a 3rd party?
Checkout will most likely go through my site (in order to secure # positions). I'll be setting up the options once we get quotes in. The number you get will not be disclosed until it arrives at your doorstep.
Facts about the potential group buy:
The Mira will be a limited run of 100 boards (hopefully with the unique number engraved). The first 57 boards that are reserved (after the number of years NASA has been operating) will come with gold stabs from ZealPC! The remaining orders will receive the same items but standard stabilizers. More from ZealPC as he unveils his secret item (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) expect this awesome item to be a part of the buy as well. The number of the board will be assigned in the order they are reserved, as a result, some sort of down payment will likely be required upon ordering. Ordering will start as soon as the Group Buy is posted at a preset date and time.
You just gave me sweet dreams sir, very sweet dreams of epic proportions.
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Count me in. +1 For the gold case. I will definitely be buying one for sure.
Keep up the Good Work! Were almost there!
Post by: filphil on Mon, 08 June 2015, 08:59:08
(http://www.speedhunters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/09/JDMLegends-RX7-18.jpg)
The gold iterations of this case look so good.
Has there been any talks about people who order two? Is it unfair to give them two slots in the first 57? I ask specifically because, depending on price, I'd be so down for a black case/gold plate and separate nasa blue orders. If those two options are available I wouldn't really mind letting the black case get gold stabs and the nasa blue get silver stabs since it'll match the color scheme better, imo. Just a passing thought. What do you guys think?
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 08 June 2015, 14:34:46
Post by: fmendonca on Tue, 09 June 2015, 16:35:34
Post by: uJalled on Thu, 11 June 2015, 23:36:34
Post by: ide_ on Fri, 12 June 2015, 07:53:19
waiting for group buy :)
Post by: henz on Sat, 13 June 2015, 05:05:52
Post by: professorgc3 on Sat, 13 June 2015, 08:07:21
Post by: IonutZ on Sun, 14 June 2015, 12:53:02
+1 add me to the list please :)
Post by: Sed8op8 on Sun, 14 June 2015, 13:30:26
Post by: E3E on Wed, 17 June 2015, 18:50:05
Also, are spots for certain numbers actually able to be reserved? I'd imagine them being strictly sequential for serializing, but I'm curious.
EDIT: I just realized. If I buy this, it's pretty much essential that I'll have to find a symbiosis set from someone! Which set would fit better both thematically and visually? Ahh fffff!
Post by: TLSC.wipeOut on Fri, 19 June 2015, 07:27:03
Post by: cmadrid on Fri, 19 June 2015, 09:10:41
Wow, that NASA blue looks really nice. So classy. I have to say, an all-American custom is kind of a nice thing to see, what with the prestigious Korean customs seeming to dominate all over! Not to say that they aren't worthy, but it's nice to see more breadth in the spectrum. :3
Also, are spots for certain numbers actually able to be reserved? I'd imagine them being strictly sequential for serializing, but I'm curious.
EDIT: I just realized. If I buy this, it's pretty much essential that I'll have to find a symbiosis set from someone! Which set would fit better both thematically and visually? Ahh fffff!
maybe Deep Space?
Post by: CornCha0s on Fri, 19 June 2015, 10:35:37
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 24 June 2015, 11:00:17
Post by: Kyi195 on Wed, 24 June 2015, 17:27:28
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 25 June 2015, 11:32:31
Post by: Vibex on Thu, 25 June 2015, 11:45:13
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 25 June 2015, 16:29:53
Question: this is probably blasphemous but it wouldn't be possible to get the case without the logo?
Also, is it possible to build this as winkeyless: 1,5x1x1,5x-7x-1,5x-1x-1,5x ?
Post by: 27 on Fri, 03 July 2015, 09:58:29
Post by: arcvile on Mon, 06 July 2015, 08:06:20
Post by: njbair on Mon, 06 July 2015, 21:25:07
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 06 July 2015, 21:38:17
Maybe July 14th will be the day...
I appreciate the reference :))
UPDATE TIME!
I am working closely with a couple other users to find a reliable CNC company to handle machining for Mira.
Trust me when I say that I am just as anxious as you to get this buy off the ground! That said, I want to make sure that the choosen shop can be responsible with the orders and deliver a product that is to my expectations as well as the expectations of you guys! I also want to make sure that the Mira has an accessible price so that everyone with interest can buy one!
Sorry for the delays
P.S. THE HYPE TRAIN WILL NEVER STOP :p
Post by: njbair on Mon, 06 July 2015, 21:55:04
I want to make sure that the choosen shop can be responsible with the orders and deliver a product that is to my expectations as well as the expectations of you guys!
For those without experience who are curious, this is harder than it sounds. There aren't very many milling shops set up to deliver finished goods (milled, deburred, bead blasted/polished, anodized). This is because all those finishing steps either require a lot of manual work or fancy robotic setups.
Cutting metal is easy. Keeping it scratch-free and beautiful throughout the finishing process is the hard part.
Check out this Macbook "how it's made" video (https://youtu.be/KxfGOV5sQXE?t=1m47s) for a glimpse into what's involved.
Post by: Data on Tue, 07 July 2015, 10:14:42
Maybe July 14th will be the day...
I appreciate the reference :))
UPDATE TIME!
I am working closely with a couple other users to find a reliable CNC company to handle machining for Mira.
Trust me when I say that I am just as anxious as you to get this buy off the ground! That said, I want to make sure that the choosen shop can be responsible with the orders and deliver a product that is to my expectations as well as the expectations of you guys! I also want to make sure that the Mira has an accessible price so that everyone with interest can buy one!
Sorry for the delays
P.S. THE HYPE TRAIN WILL NEVER STOP :p
http://www.metalmaster.biz/
I happen to know the owner of this full service machine shop. If you don't mind working with a shop in Florida I can get you some quotes and inquire about their ability to do finish work. I can't promise any discounts but I know he would give me a fair price for the work. Let me know.
Post by: Metr0 on Tue, 07 July 2015, 17:06:36
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 08 July 2015, 16:44:25
Maybe July 14th will be the day...
I appreciate the reference :))
UPDATE TIME!
I am working closely with a couple other users to find a reliable CNC company to handle machining for Mira.
Trust me when I say that I am just as anxious as you to get this buy off the ground! That said, I want to make sure that the choosen shop can be responsible with the orders and deliver a product that is to my expectations as well as the expectations of you guys! I also want to make sure that the Mira has an accessible price so that everyone with interest can buy one!
Sorry for the delays
P.S. THE HYPE TRAIN WILL NEVER STOP :p
http://www.metalmaster.biz/
I happen to know the owner of this full service machine shop. If you don't mind working with a shop in Florida I can get you some quotes and inquire about their ability to do finish work. I can't promise any discounts but I know he would give me a fair price for the work. Let me know.
I definitely will let you know if my other sources fall through :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:28:44
Post by: henz on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:48:04
Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:49:48
Post by: filphil on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:51:28
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:53:49
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Post by: filphil on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:56:03
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Yep I got that. For such an awesome board I think that's a reasonable down payment.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 13:57:41
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Right :)) It's $40 towards your purchase, meaning your just putting money down. We expect the total cost of the board to be in the $350-$400 which is to be expected of a custom made in America. The pre order is non refundable, but you have no obligation to purchase the board if the full price is prohibitively expensive.
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:00:35
Post by: filphil on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:01:36
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Right :)) It's $40 towards your purchase, meaning your just putting money down. We expect the total cost of the board to be in the $350-$400 which is to be expected of a custom made in America. The pre order is non refundable, but you have no obligation to purchase the board if the full price is prohibitively expensive.
Hubble - Are there any precautions against people who wish to order more than 1? Ideally I'd like to pick up one for my brother and sister. Since you posted an estimated end price(which I think is a good price) do you have an idea on assembly pricing?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:05:45
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Right :)) It's $40 towards your purchase, meaning your just putting money down. We expect the total cost of the board to be in the $350-$400 which is to be expected of a custom made in America. The pre order is non refundable, but you have no obligation to purchase the board if the full price is prohibitively expensive.
Hubble - Are there any precautions against people who wish to order more than 1? Ideally I'd like to pick up one for my brother and sister. Since you posted an estimated end price(which I think is a good price) do you have an idea on assembly pricing?
To keep it fair, I think I should prohibit it to 1 pre order within the first 57 units. I will include a spot for you to declare how many units you intend on buying however you can only give number preference within the first 57 for one of them. Ill think this over and get back with an update in the future.
The assembly costs arent finalized since I will likely be splitting the work with theChemist. That said, expect it to be no more than $50 for full assembly (excluding the cost of parts).
Is that $400 with the switches and assembly?
no, thats the cost of the Case and PCB, nobody is making a ton of money of this and we will be giving you a price very close to our costs from the CNC shop.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:08:57
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Right :)) It's $40 towards your purchase, meaning your just putting money down. We expect the total cost of the board to be in the $350-$400 which is to be expected of a custom made in America. The pre order is non refundable, but you have no obligation to purchase the board if the full price is prohibitively expensive.
Hubble - Are there any precautions against people who wish to order more than 1? Ideally I'd like to pick up one for my brother and sister. Since you posted an estimated end price(which I think is a good price) do you have an idea on assembly pricing?
To keep it fair, I think I should prohibit it to 1 pre order within the first 57 units. I will include a spot for you to declare how many units you intend on buying however you can only give number preference within the first 57 for one of them. Ill think this over and get back with an update in the future.
The assembly costs arent finalized since I will likely be splitting the work with theChemist. That said, expect it to be no more than $50 for full assembly (excluding the cost of parts).
That's a fair process. No worries about that.
Can't wait for this and am glad that it looks like we're making huge progress towards a prototype.
Post by: E3E on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:20:46
Post by: rpeterclark on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:24:17
Only $40?$40 to put your name on the list, not to buy the board (if I understood it right).
Can't wait hubble!
The race is on boys
Right :)) It's $40 towards your purchase, meaning your just putting money down. We expect the total cost of the board to be in the $350-$400 which is to be expected of a custom made in America. The pre order is non refundable, but you have no obligation to purchase the board if the full price is prohibitively expensive.
Hubble - Are there any precautions against people who wish to order more than 1? Ideally I'd like to pick up one for my brother and sister. Since you posted an estimated end price(which I think is a good price) do you have an idea on assembly pricing?
Can I be in your family? :-*
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:25:11
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:26:50
Do we know what colors will be available for the Mira for sure yet? I'm very interested in pre-ordering, but I'm wondering if the blue color variation will be available or not.
Colors are actually a very important question. If the right colors aren't offered it might not be worth it to join.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:27:02
Do we know what colors will be available for the Mira for sure yet? I'm very interested in pre-ordering, but I'm wondering if the blue color variation will be available or not.
Colors are not finalized however seeing how popular the teal and "sifo blue" color ways are there's a strong chance they will be offered. With the buy we will offer instructions on getting your own custom color regardless of the ones offered.
Do we know what colors will be available for the Mira for sure yet? I'm very interested in pre-ordering, but I'm wondering if the blue color variation will be available or not.
Colors are actually a very important question. If the right colors aren't offered it might not be worth it to join.
True. You can be sure that common colors such as dark grey or silver will be offered along with the more exotic ones. Perhaps if your not willing to settle on one of Those you should not consider pre ordering. That said, for $40 it's not a huge risk to take, and as mentioned we will be trying to fulfill as many color possibilities as possible as well as making connections between individuals and small run anodizing shops easy so that if you want yours a custom color it will be plain and simple!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:31:03
Question about the PCB -- are diodes and resistors through hole or surface mount?I believe the diodes can be either however the resistors are surface mounted for sure.
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:55:55
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 14:59:10
Are we going to be able to see an actual prototype before we commit?
Before you commit to the full purchase, absolutely! The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:02:26
Are we going to be able to see an actual prototype before we commit?
Before you commit to the full purchase, absolutely! The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!
I hope it is a nice prototype then because that's a lot of money just for a prototype. I'm sure it would be easy enough to transfer the $40 non refundable deposit to someone else though just in case.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:09:53
Are we going to be able to see an actual prototype before we commit?
Before you commit to the full purchase, absolutely! The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!
I hope it is a nice prototype then because that's a lot of money just for a prototype. I'm sure it would be easy enough to transfer the $40 non refundable deposit to someone else though just in case.
Yeah you would be surprised how much a prototype costs with American manufacturers. I also need to pay for a PCB prototype. The pre order deposit can be transferable though as you said!
Post by: digi on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:14:08
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:40:50
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:50:22
Are we going to be able to see an actual prototype before we commit?
Before you commit to the full purchase, absolutely! The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!
I hope it is a nice prototype then because that's a lot of money just for a prototype. I'm sure it would be easy enough to transfer the $40 non refundable deposit to someone else though just in case.
Yeah you would be surprised how much a prototype costs with American manufacturers. I also need to pay for a PCB prototype. The pre order deposit can be transferable though as you said!
Oh I bet. But as long as we see a full prototype before footing the bill that would be great! :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 15:51:54
After the $40 pre order, how long should it be before I have to pay the rest? I'm broke and I need some time to scrape up the money. :))
The shop quoted 6-8 weeks for he prototype. In the meantime I will work out the rest of he details so we can start the group buy soon after that barring any unexpected problems
Post by: tweis on Tue, 14 July 2015, 16:25:08
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 16:31:01
Do you have any details on the PCB? Will it support key leds? Will it use ps2avr, Or is it going to be an arm core teensy controller? Is the USB virtual or dedicated controller (I find the virtual to be far less reliable)?
Details in the OP, sorry its getting a little cluttered I know :))
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 14 July 2015, 18:12:00
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 14 July 2015, 18:44:14
Post by: hrinfinity on Tue, 14 July 2015, 19:10:01
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 19:16:07
Post by: Sed8op8 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 19:23:32
Going to murder my budget for the foreseeable future, but I'm in 100%. Fingers crossed that I'll be able to reserve #18!this made me smile! User 18 for #18 summer of '15 :p
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 14 July 2015, 20:03:26
wish I could afford...Ask demik, I heard he's in the market for a sifo.
Post by: Kyi195 on Tue, 14 July 2015, 20:17:35
The shop quoted 6-8 weeks for he prototype. In the meantime I will work out the rest of he details so we can start the group buy soon after that barring any unexpected problems
And that's just after the preorder? Alright, I can save up with that kind of timeframe. Selling a bunch of stuff that I don't use anymore so I'll have some money set aside for this already too ;D Can't wait to have my first non-production board!!
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 14 July 2015, 20:20:56
Well, at least I don't like topre for gaming too much and this will be good... I can keep telling my self at least.
Be right back guys. Selling virginity online.
Post by: wakko on Tue, 14 July 2015, 21:20:02
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 14 July 2015, 21:47:37
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.Didn't exactly mean top, more so live up. And make me not feel sad that I spent $400 on a board I might not use.
But we shall see. I'm still hyped for this, even though topre is my baby.
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 14 July 2015, 21:58:33
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.depends on how you do them IMO. The ergoclears I have done a good job at lubing I have liked more than my topre
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 21:59:59
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.depends on how you do them IMO. The ergoclears I have done a good job at lubing I have liked more than my topre
Yeah I prefer ergo clear over topre any day :p
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:03:32
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.depends on how you do them IMO. The ergoclears I have done a good job at lubing I have liked more than my topre
Yeah I prefer ergo clear over topre any day :p
what springs are usually used for ergo clears? 62g?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:05:28
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.depends on how you do them IMO. The ergoclears I have done a good job at lubing I have liked more than my topre
Yeah I prefer ergo clear over topre any day :p
what springs are usually used for ergo clears? 62g?
Ergo clear actually refers to springs from mx Browns specifically however 62g is the most popular substitute.
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:08:32
Ergo clears don't top topres, not even close.depends on how you do them IMO. The ergoclears I have done a good job at lubing I have liked more than my topre
Yeah I prefer ergo clear over topre any day :p
what springs are usually used for ergo clears? 62g?
Ergo clear actually refers to springs from mx Browns specifically however 62g is the most popular substitute.
ooh i see. Also a question on the assembly service that will be provided for limited boards. Would we need to provide the materials (switches, leds, etc) or will they be included given that you pay for the cost of them?
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:13:07
ooh i see. Also a question on the assembly service that will be provided for limited boards. Would we need to provide the materials (switches, leds, etc) or will they be included given that you pay for the cost of them?If hubble / thechemist don't want to do switch tuning, I would be more than happy to help out, but I don't have many supplies anymore, but I could always get more.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:17:28
ooh i see. Also a question on the assembly service that will be provided for limited boards. Would we need to provide the materials (switches, leds, etc) or will they be included given that you pay for the cost of them?If hubble / thechemist don't want to do switch tuning, I would be more than happy to help out, but I don't have many supplies anymore, but I could always get more.
This hasn't really been decided yet, however most likely we will be able to provide diodes, resistors, and stock switches. Anything else would most likely need to be sent to us. As I said though, this hasn't been decided yet.
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 14 July 2015, 23:25:04
ooh i see. Also a question on the assembly service that will be provided for limited boards. Would we need to provide the materials (switches, leds, etc) or will they be included given that you pay for the cost of them?If hubble / thechemist don't want to do switch tuning, I would be more than happy to help out, but I don't have many supplies anymore, but I could always get more.
This hasn't really been decided yet, however most likely we will be able to provide diodes, resistors, and stock switches. Anything else would most likely need to be sent to us. As I said though, this hasn't been decided yet.
I'm asking because I'm pretty scared of self assembly, especially on a board thats pretty expensive, yet I want this to be my end game keyboard with it customized just the way I want it. I know that this is already a huge time commitment for you so I feel bad asking for all of that. Let me know what your thoughts are on the assembly service when you decide on the final details.
Super excited to put a down payment on this, gonna be my first custom board and hopefully my last!
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 01:00:48
That's a slippery slope my friend :)) the Mira does look pretty freaking nice though !
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 15 July 2015, 04:11:50
Super excited to put a down payment on this, gonna be my first custom board "and hopefully my last!"I got a HHKB as a first keyboard, and now I'm getting a Mira as my first MX keyboard. I've gone backwards in the journey of keyboards. :))
That's a slippery slope my friend :)) the Mira does look pretty freaking nice though !
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 15 July 2015, 08:02:31
Super excited to put a down payment on this, gonna be my first custom board "and hopefully my last!"I got a HHKB as a first keyboard, and now I'm getting a Mira as my first MX keyboard. I've gone backwards in the journey of keyboards. :))
That's a slippery slope my friend :)) the Mira does look pretty freaking nice though !
No bro, you are going forward :)
So excited with this ic progress
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 09:19:22
Super excited to put a down payment on this, gonna be my first custom board "and hopefully my last!"I got a HHKB as a first keyboard, and now I'm getting a Mira as my first MX keyboard. I've gone backwards in the journey of keyboards. :))
That's a slippery slope my friend :)) the Mira does look pretty freaking nice though !
No bro, you are going forward :)
So excited with this ic progress
Agreed, this is forward ^-^
Post by: Data on Wed, 15 July 2015, 09:27:24
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 15 July 2015, 09:31:46
Since you're taking pre-orders next week does this mean you'll also have a physical prototype to show us? :-X
The preorder money is to fund the prototype since it's expensive as ****.
Think of it like Kickstarter except he isn't greasy and won't take the full 400 up front.
But from previous posts he will have a prototype before the full thing starts.
Post by: Data on Wed, 15 July 2015, 09:36:03
Since you're taking pre-orders next week does this mean you'll also have a physical prototype to show us? :-X
The preorder money is to fund the prototype since it's expensive as ****.
Think of it like Kickstarter except he isn't greasy and won't take the full 400 up front.
But from previous posts he will have a prototype before the full thing starts.
Ah, OK. Thanks.
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 15 July 2015, 10:27:07
Post by: Blackehart on Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:23:26
One of the renders appears to have the switch moddable plate while another does not.
Could you clarify?
( I apologize if this has already been answered in one of the previous posts)
Thanks,
-Blacke
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:28:17
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:41:16
To winkey or not to winkey, that's the question..
WKL is the answer.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 11:59:02
Will the plate allow for switch modding?
One of the renders appears to have the switch moddable plate while another does not.
Could you clarify?
( I apologize if this has already been answered in one of the previous posts)
Thanks,
-Blacke
Yes there will be cutouts that allow for switch modding.
To winkey or not to winkey, that's the question..
WKL is the answer.
The prototype will be winkeyless. It seems that the overwhelming majority want winkeyless, so the only option may be winkeyless in he end to reduce the cost.
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:17:19
Will the plate allow for switch modding?
One of the renders appears to have the switch moddable plate while another does not.
Could you clarify?
( I apologize if this has already been answered in one of the previous posts)
Thanks,
-Blacke
Yes there will be cutouts that allow for switch modding.To winkey or not to winkey, that's the question..
WKL is the answer.
The prototype will be winkeyless. It seems that the overwhelming majority want winkeyless, so the only option may be winkeyless in he end to reduce the cost.
could winkey be an option at extra cost? i know there are some (including me) who would prefer the winkey
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:26:48
Will the plate allow for switch modding?
One of the renders appears to have the switch moddable plate while another does not.
Could you clarify?
( I apologize if this has already been answered in one of the previous posts)
Thanks,
-Blacke
Yes there will be cutouts that allow for switch modding.To winkey or not to winkey, that's the question..
WKL is the answer.
The prototype will be winkeyless. It seems that the overwhelming majority want winkeyless, so the only option may be winkeyless in he end to reduce the cost.
could winkey be an option at extra cost? i know there are some (including me) who would prefer the winkey
Potentially, ill look into it. By all means if there are enough people interested I will offer both :thumb:
Post by: fmendonca on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:37:24
On a side note, can someone explain to me why many people prefer winkeyless? What are the advantages?
Good job on the project :) good luck having everything done.
Post by: Data on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:51:41
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:53:00
I am also planning on joining the pre-order and I would much prefer winkey.Mostly aesthetics, I would guess. I don't believe there is a functional advantage to it, to be honest.
On a side note, can someone explain to me why many people prefer winkeyless? What are the advantages?
Good job on the project :) good luck having everything done.
Post by: uJalled on Wed, 15 July 2015, 12:55:09
Winkey 4 lyfe
ayyy! makes the board look good and is functional to boot
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 15 July 2015, 13:15:16
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 13:18:47
Post by: E3E on Wed, 15 July 2015, 13:52:24
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 14:06:04
Would prefer a winkey and 1.25u bottom row, but a winkey 1.5u bottom row would be acceptable. No winkey (and no fn key on the right) would be a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.No need to worry, I talked to the CNC shop, we can offer both, however their may be a slight premium for one or the other depending on how many of each are ordered :thumb: The PCB and plate should support both bottom row configurations as well
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 15:30:23
Post by: KatzenKinder on Wed, 15 July 2015, 15:38:24
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 15:40:56
Do we have to put in a pre-order if we don't want a numbered one? I do understand there is only going to be up to 100, but if the pre-order doesn't reach 100 can we still get one when production occurs?
Absolutley, ill only be taking pre orders for the first 57 initially. :thumb:
Post by: ccarlitos2 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 16:21:58
Post by: fi0x on Wed, 15 July 2015, 17:00:38
Also I would prefer winkey, but I guess I can survive without the winkey... I think...
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Did I mention I am totally stoked for this? THIS IS AWESOME. ~Hype Intensifies~
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Post by: user 18 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 18:34:10
Was wondering, do you guys accept Canadian Tender? Like how would this work out for someone living in Canada?
Paypal or whatever payment service ends up getting used will convert for you.
Would prefer a winkey and 1.25u bottom row, but a winkey 1.5u bottom row would be acceptable. No winkey (and no fn key on the right) would be a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.No need to worry, I talked to the CNC shop, we can offer both, however their may be a slight premium for one or the other depending on how many of each are ordered :thumb: The PCB and plate should support both bottom row configurations as well
When you say both configurations are supported, are you talking about 125 vs 150, or winkey vs winkeyless?
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 15 July 2015, 18:37:44
Does this mean any of the rendered color will be available?
Or it will be limited to a few option? cos I really love the hot pink only
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 19:01:24
Post by: Kyi195 on Wed, 15 July 2015, 19:39:18
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 15 July 2015, 19:50:04
Was wondering, do you guys accept Canadian Tender? Like how would this work out for someone living in Canada?
Paypal or whatever payment service ends up getting used will convert for you.Would prefer a winkey and 1.25u bottom row, but a winkey 1.5u bottom row would be acceptable. No winkey (and no fn key on the right) would be a deal breaker for me, unfortunately.No need to worry, I talked to the CNC shop, we can offer both, however their may be a slight premium for one or the other depending on how many of each are ordered :thumb: The PCB and plate should support both bottom row configurations as well
When you say both configurations are supported, are you talking about 125 vs 150, or winkey vs winkeyless?
both :)) not interchangeably of course though (unless you would like to take a dremmel to your blockers :p )
A question,
Does this mean any of the rendered color will be available?
Or it will be limited to a few option? cos I really love the hot pink only
read past comments
Will it be possible to get just only the case? I already own a wkl b.87 board and it's pretty bnew. Or if not, would the buyers be able to add additional case on their order? It would be nice if somebody can help me out to get the case and I'll just pay them.
the b87 pcb will not work with the case or plate, it is a custom pcb with different f row spacing.
Post by: dakuzo on Wed, 15 July 2015, 20:33:15
Post by: chromatically on Wed, 15 July 2015, 20:41:33
nice work on the renders, they all look fantastic. hard to really choose what color i'd go for... hnnnng
Post by: romevi on Wed, 15 July 2015, 22:24:19
While I prefer more minimal keyboards, the logo isn't as flashy. The price tag is steep for someone who's never bought an MX board, let alone custom, but the hype for this is huge.
Post by: KatzenKinder on Wed, 15 July 2015, 22:50:08
Guys, this would be my first custom keyboard. Convince me to buy it.
While I prefer more minimal keyboards, the logo isn't as flashy. The price tag is steep for someone who's never bought an MX board, let alone custom, but the hype for this is huge.
Building it can be fun / it's gorgeous / high resale value in the case that it doesn't suit you / fully custom switch options
That said, make sure you find out exactly what switches you want. It'd be a shame for a board of this price and quality to not be perfect for you.
Post by: filphil on Wed, 15 July 2015, 23:10:45
Post by: romevi on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:11:27
I think I'm going to just by the kit and assemble it later once I've made up my mind.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:19:21
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:24:13
Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:24:31
Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Where? I don't mean to put anyone down, especially Hubble, but OTD boards are the highest quality, and highest sought after keyboards. This definitely won't be more than 1k resale, but they will probably be around Duck board resale prices.
Post by: sethk_ on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:25:28
And the same way I feel about clothes, wear it / use it. I know I am going to try and get the Supreme x Nike tomorrow, and if I do, sure as hell I will be wearing themEveryone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 16 July 2015, 00:34:01
Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
I certainly agree, Sir CPTBadass :thumb: I am enamored with this board due to the really solid creative concept behind it and its pretty design qualities. It doesn't just have some arbitrary name that the creator came up with, it's built around a cohesive theme. I really like that. That said, while I find this board beautiful and am tempted to buy one just because of that, I have to listen to my inner reason. I've never been much a fan of TKL or larger boards. It just wouldn't fit with the layouts I'm most comfortable with. I'd be buying just to buy it which isn't much of a reason (though I'd imagine it is for many others :P).
I just bought an Octagon because I felt it'd be the perfect custom for me. Buying this would be for no reason other than it being a cool board. EDIT: Not to say that there's anything wrong with being a collector, but if I keep collecting in this hobby at this point, I'm going to be broke very soon. :P
Post by: ocodo on Thu, 16 July 2015, 07:53:48
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 16 July 2015, 10:18:49
Well said CPT. People are treating this hobby like it's an investment. We collect and use keyboards because we like them not because we are some greasy scalper trying to make a buck.Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
Post by: Data on Thu, 16 July 2015, 16:02:16
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 16 July 2015, 16:06:05
Post by: E3E on Thu, 16 July 2015, 17:24:29
Because I like this keyboard is precisely why I'm so on the fence about it. It'd lack much pragmatism for me because I'd likely not use it often. For some, it's more about collecting than use though. I was also admittedly curious about the speculation on resale value since it's been mentioned a few times in this thread, even by Dr.Hubble himself.
In the end, anyone can justify what they buy for whatever reasons they want. Investment, collection, practicality. It's all fair game, even if some look down on one aspect or another. If someone has the money and the will, then it's there prerogative, I suppose. :P
Well said CPT. People are treating this hobby like it's an investment. We collect and use keyboards because we like them not because we are some greasy scalper trying to make a buck.Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
Post by: uJalled on Thu, 16 July 2015, 17:46:04
I certainly hope I didn't come off that way. :-X I've been torn on buying this board for a while, but not for the sake of investment alone (it'd just ease my mind a bit if I had to sell it in the future), simply because it'd be bad for my wallet, and I'm not the biggest fan of TKL layouts despite being a big fan of the Mira's design. It's easy to become enamored in this hobby without having the funds to support every desire.
Because I like this keyboard is precisely why I'm so on the fence about it. It'd lack much pragmatism for me because I'd likely not use it often. For some, it's more about collecting than use though. I was also admittedly curious about the speculation on resale value since it's been mentioned a few times in this thread, even by Dr.Hubble himself.
In the end, anyone can justify what they buy for whatever reasons they want. Investment, collection, practicality. It's all fair game, even if some look down on one aspect or another. If someone has the money and the will, then it's there prerogative, I suppose. :PWell said CPT. People are treating this hobby like it's an investment. We collect and use keyboards because we like them not because we are some greasy scalper trying to make a buck.Everyone is speculating that this keyboard will have mega resale value, so I guess it's time to ask the question: What do you all predict this keyboard's value will be after production ends? Do you think it's going to be a 1k+ gem like OTD boards? Might be a touchy subject to talk about, but its resale value has been hyped quite a bit!Pretty sure I'm going to empty my 401k and invest it in sneakers and keyboards :cool:
Buying this as an investment is stupid. Get it cause you want it. Don't get it to sell it. This isn't a Supreme lineup.
I think you're thinking a little too hard into this. There's nothing that's pragmatic about buying a $400 dollar keyboard, but if it makes you happy, then do it. If it doesn't, then don't do it. Weighing pros and cons won't get you very far in non-sensical hobbies like keyboards :p
Post by: E3E on Thu, 16 July 2015, 17:52:23
I think you're thinking a little too hard into this. There's nothing that's pragmatic about buying a $400 dollar keyboard, but if it makes you happy, then do it. If it doesn't, then don't do it. Weighing pros and cons won't get you very far in non-sensical hobbies like keyboards :p
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:17:58
I understand it's used when talking about boards such as the corsa...
Anyways, I'm off to go panhandle
(http://i.imgur.com/85LzCCR.jpg?1)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:18:53
I'm more into the hobby of video games and used to be into toys. I can't understand those who collect games just to keep them on the shelf. Sure, I like to keep my games on display and in nice condition, but I also play them. I buy the games I like and am going to play.
If I decide to sell a game then I'm aware I'm going to sell it at a loss since I've already opened and played it. If it turns out that, after I've decided to sell it, the game fetches a premium price because it's rare or something, then that's a nice little surprise for me.
As for toys, I ditched that hobby because I finally realized, after years and thousands of dollars, that I found more pleasure in staring at pictures on the Internet and clicking the order button than actually owning the figures.
As for this keyboard, I'm going to jump on the pre-order simply to try and lock in my preferred number. If it turns out I don't like the board, then that's fine for me. I won't commit the rest of the money.
But as of right now I plan on buying it to use the heck out of, and the custom number only adds to my individuality.
Post by: trizkut on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:19:08
What does OTD even stand for? I'm too much of a pleb to know I guess.
I understand it's used when talking about boards such as the corsa...
Anyways, I'm off to go panhandleShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/85LzCCR.jpg?1)
on the desk. where your keyboard resides (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:19:14
What does OTD even stand for? I'm too much of a pleb to know I guess.
I understand it's used when talking about boards such as the corsa...
Anyways, I'm off to go panhandleShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/85LzCCR.jpg?1)
On The Desk. It's a Korean forum.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:19:22
What does OTD even stand for? I'm too much of a pleb to know I guess.
I understand it's used when talking about boards such as the corsa...
Anyways, I'm off to go panhandleShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/85LzCCR.jpg?1)
Ouch! Thick d**k!
Just kidding. On the desk.
(Sorry, I'm new. If this is inappropriate I'll delete it.)
Post by: E3E on Thu, 16 July 2015, 18:32:52
On the spectrum of actually using the Mira and just buying it to have it, I see myself leaning on the "just to have it" end, which is hard for me to justify. I think it sounds like a great prospect for you though, especially since it will be your first big investment in a custom from what I've read and because you'll get a lot of use out of it along side that cool sense of individuality. :thumb:
I hope that it's everything you hope for and then some. :D
It doesn't sound like you should get it. Will you be more satisfied with having it than staring at pictures of it? A lot of collectors think this way.
I'm more into the hobby of video games and used to be into toys. I can't understand those who collect games just to keep them on the shelf. Sure, I like to keep my games on display and in nice condition, but I also play them. I buy the games I like and am going to play.
As for toys, I ditched that hobby because I finally realized, after years and thousands of dollars, that I found more pleasure in staring at pictures on the Internet and clicking the order button than actually owning the figures.
As for this keyboard, I'm going to jump on the pre-order simply to try and lock in my preferred number. If it turns out I don't like the board, then that's fine for me. I won't commit the rest of the money.
But as of right now I plan on buying it to use the heck out of, and the custom number only adds to my individuality.
Post by: asgeirtj on Fri, 17 July 2015, 16:29:19
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 17 July 2015, 16:34:56
Any word on a numpad? There is a render of it but nothing about it ?
There will be a numpad that matches the Mira which will be worked on later. Don't know much about it and I wouldn't expect it to come too soon, but I expect it to be worked on after the Mira is done and the group buy is completely over.
Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 17 July 2015, 20:39:55
Post by: Alex92 on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:31:46
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 18 July 2015, 22:34:13
Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Insert has been dropped. Engraving is being used.
Post by: kirkvomit on Sun, 19 July 2015, 10:35:20
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 19 July 2015, 15:54:27
Are they going to use the same micro controller as their other board have? It would be nice to have an upgraded controller and new version of application that could handle more modes of RGB leds for both on-board and switches' led. The current one can only do few modes for on-board led and also for the switches' led. I have suggested this before to Winkeyless and he said that they'll try to make those possible later on. I think it'd be great to have it first on this since these boards are special and very limited.
The b.mira PCB will have his standard controller, that said, there is no reason why we couldnt do another run of PCBs when he chooses to update his hardware and firmware.
Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Yeah the insert had to be dropped, not only was it almost impossible to properly machine, but it would have costed a lot more than you guys would be willing to spend. Trust me.
HOPE EVERYONE IS EXCITED AS I AM :p
Post by: filphil on Sun, 19 July 2015, 16:00:11
Are they going to use the same micro controller as their other board have? It would be nice to have an upgraded controller and new version of application that could handle more modes of RGB leds for both on-board and switches' led. The current one can only do few modes for on-board led and also for the switches' led. I have suggested this before to Winkeyless and he said that they'll try to make those possible later on. I think it'd be great to have it first on this since these boards are special and very limited.
The b.mira PCB will have his standard controller, that said, there is no reason why we couldnt do another run of PCBs when he chooses to update his hardware and firmware.Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Yeah the insert had to be dropped, not only was it almost impossible to properly machine, but it would have costed a lot more than you guys would be willing to spend. Trust me.
HOPE EVERYONE IS EXCITED AS I AM :p
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Post by: Air tree on Sun, 19 July 2015, 16:05:19
Post by: romevi on Sun, 19 July 2015, 16:21:58
Post by: aznairjordan on Sun, 19 July 2015, 21:30:49
Are they going to use the same micro controller as their other board have? It would be nice to have an upgraded controller and new version of application that could handle more modes of RGB leds for both on-board and switches' led. The current one can only do few modes for on-board led and also for the switches' led. I have suggested this before to Winkeyless and he said that they'll try to make those possible later on. I think it'd be great to have it first on this since these boards are special and very limited.
The b.mira PCB will have his standard controller, that said, there is no reason why we couldnt do another run of PCBs when he chooses to update his hardware and firmware.Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Yeah the insert had to be dropped, not only was it almost impossible to properly machine, but it would have costed a lot more than you guys would be willing to spend. Trust me.
HOPE EVERYONE IS EXCITED AS I AM :p
so freaking excited. Tuesday 6PM PST can't come fast enough. I'm pretty scared I will send my form in too early and not get counted!
Post by: Air tree on Sun, 19 July 2015, 21:36:21
I don't think the 57 orders will be placed that fast, will they? I would guess you should have some time..Are they going to use the same micro controller as their other board have? It would be nice to have an upgraded controller and new version of application that could handle more modes of RGB leds for both on-board and switches' led. The current one can only do few modes for on-board led and also for the switches' led. I have suggested this before to Winkeyless and he said that they'll try to make those possible later on. I think it'd be great to have it first on this since these boards are special and very limited.
The b.mira PCB will have his standard controller, that said, there is no reason why we couldnt do another run of PCBs when he chooses to update his hardware and firmware.Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Yeah the insert had to be dropped, not only was it almost impossible to properly machine, but it would have costed a lot more than you guys would be willing to spend. Trust me.
HOPE EVERYONE IS EXCITED AS I AM :p
so freaking excited. Tuesday 6PM PST can't come fast enough. I'm pretty scared I will send my form in too early and not get counted!
Post by: aznairjordan on Sun, 19 July 2015, 22:00:30
I don't think the 57 orders will be placed that fast, will they? I would guess you should have some time..Are they going to use the same micro controller as their other board have? It would be nice to have an upgraded controller and new version of application that could handle more modes of RGB leds for both on-board and switches' led. The current one can only do few modes for on-board led and also for the switches' led. I have suggested this before to Winkeyless and he said that they'll try to make those possible later on. I think it'd be great to have it first on this since these boards are special and very limited.
The b.mira PCB will have his standard controller, that said, there is no reason why we couldnt do another run of PCBs when he chooses to update his hardware and firmware.Someone asked this before, and I'm not sure if the question was answered, but has the acrylic insert been officially dropped in favor of an engraved logo? I'm fine with either design choice, but I would like to get a better idea of what the finished product will look like before spending $40 on a pre-order. Also, do you think that it would be possible for you to state which CNC company has been chosen to produce this? It's not hugely important, but it might allow people to see samples of their previous work on their website before committing to this.
Yeah the insert had to be dropped, not only was it almost impossible to properly machine, but it would have costed a lot more than you guys would be willing to spend. Trust me.
HOPE EVERYONE IS EXCITED AS I AM :p
so freaking excited. Tuesday 6PM PST can't come fast enough. I'm pretty scared I will send my form in too early and not get counted!
gotta get my number!
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 19 July 2015, 23:50:00
gotta get my number!
I really want 69 :'(
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 20 July 2015, 00:40:56
gotta get my number!
I really want 69 :'(
Don't we all
Post by: henz on Mon, 20 July 2015, 00:41:17
****ty choice of time imo it will be 3am here. This system to get a special mira makes me a little icky. Makes me feel like i dont want to get a mira unless i get a number on it :p
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 20 July 2015, 01:00:45
gotta get my number!
I really want 69 :'(
Don't we all
and in pink, with pink LED :cool:
Post by: KatzenKinder on Mon, 20 July 2015, 01:07:46
9pm est......
****ty choice of time imo it will be 3am here. This system to get a special mira makes me a little icky. Makes me feel like i dont want to get a mira unless i get a number on it :p
Someone will always lose, right? Better set those alarms, or stay up with too much caffeine hehe :)
Post by: archer on Mon, 20 July 2015, 08:10:11
Post by: filphil on Mon, 20 July 2015, 08:11:58
But you must submit it at or after 9
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 20 July 2015, 08:53:29
9pm est......
****ty choice of time imo it will be 3am here. This system to get a special mira makes me a little icky. Makes me feel like i dont want to get a mira unless i get a number on it :p
Just to be clear, all 100 will be numbered, pre-ordering just gives you the chance to have a say in what number you would like and gives you a spot in the first 57 which will have gold stabs included.
There is also no way i can make everyone happy with the time, sorry :(
gotta get my number!
I really want 69 :'(
unless you want to give up your gold stabs I would recommend staying between 1 and 57! The first form will only let you enter numbers in that range. Following the first 57 a separate form will go up for anyone still wanting to pre order within the 100 unit limit however they will not get to choose what number they would like.
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 20 July 2015, 13:03:46
Post by: henz on Mon, 20 July 2015, 13:15:18
See how it looks in the morning
Post by: romevi on Mon, 20 July 2015, 13:25:27
I plan on putting a non-refundable $40 deposit. However, seeing as I want to secure a certain number, will I have to submit the payment with the order form? Or will we be sent an invoice after our submission?
Reason I ask is that at around 8pm CST tomorrow I won't be around a computer, but will have my phone. It's kind of important I beat everyone to my number (though it's not a 100% deal-breaker), and fidgeting with a Google order form and then submitting payment via PayPal can taken a little longer than if I were at a computer.
Oh, and just to beat a dead horse and be clear: We can choose any number 1-100, but only the first 57 submissions (not numbers) will get the bonuses, yes?
Thanks!
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:53:17
All right, this may have been answered, but just in case it hasn't (or I missed it), I'm going to ask:
I plan on putting a non-refundable $40 deposit. However, seeing as I want to secure a certain number, will I have to submit the payment with the order form? Or will we be sent an invoice after our submission?
Reason I ask is that at around 8pm CST tomorrow I won't be around a computer, but will have my phone. It's kind of important I beat everyone to my number (though it's not a 100% deal-breaker), and fidgeting with a Google order form and then submitting payment via PayPal can taken a little longer than if I were at a computer.
Oh, and just to beat a dead horse and be clear: We can choose any number 1-100, but only the first 57 submissions (not numbers) will get the bonuses, yes?
Thanks!
i think you can only choose 1-57 for preorders
Post by: romevi on Mon, 20 July 2015, 14:56:13
All right, this may have been answered, but just in case it hasn't (or I missed it), I'm going to ask:
I plan on putting a non-refundable $40 deposit. However, seeing as I want to secure a certain number, will I have to submit the payment with the order form? Or will we be sent an invoice after our submission?
Reason I ask is that at around 8pm CST tomorrow I won't be around a computer, but will have my phone. It's kind of important I beat everyone to my number (though it's not a 100% deal-breaker), and fidgeting with a Google order form and then submitting payment via PayPal can taken a little longer than if I were at a computer.
Oh, and just to beat a dead horse and be clear: We can choose any number 1-100, but only the first 57 submissions (not numbers) will get the bonuses, yes?
Thanks!
i think you can only choose 1-57 for preorders
That makes sense. Either way, my number falls within that range. Just wanted to make sure.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 20 July 2015, 19:32:47
All right, this may have been answered, but just in case it hasn't (or I missed it), I'm going to ask:
I plan on putting a non-refundable $40 deposit. However, seeing as I want to secure a certain number, will I have to submit the payment with the order form? Or will we be sent an invoice after our submission?
Reason I ask is that at around 8pm CST tomorrow I won't be around a computer, but will have my phone. It's kind of important I beat everyone to my number (though it's not a 100% deal-breaker), and fidgeting with a Google order form and then submitting payment via PayPal can taken a little longer than if I were at a computer.
Oh, and just to beat a dead horse and be clear: We can choose any number 1-100, but only the first 57 submissions (not numbers) will get the bonuses, yes?
Thanks!
i think you can only choose 1-57 for preorders
That makes sense. Either way, my number falls within that range. Just wanted to make sure.
It will all make sense when you see the form. You will submit the form and I will send you the invoice afterwards. You will have
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:35:19
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:41:29
#07 in purple will be mine! 
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:43:18
Just a thought.
Post by: Rodgaroon on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:46:11
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:52:27
Are you allowing for multiple (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) choices of number on the form? If I don't get my first choice for whatever reason it would be nice if I could maybe get my 2nd or 3rd choice.Yup the form already has spots for first second and third choices.
Just a thought.
Before I invest I want to know the final price, sorry. besides i want #62 =)Whatever suits you! The point was just to have a low cost way for people to support the project and gain some cool benifits along the way! You should know though that you will not get to choose your preference for number for units 58 through 100 since they will just be assigned in order of purchase. That was one of the major benifits of the pre order.
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 21 July 2015, 10:59:22
Are you allowing for multiple (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) choices of number on the form? If I don't get my first choice for whatever reason it would be nice if I could maybe get my 2nd or 3rd choice.Yup the form already has spots for first second and third choices.
Just a thought.Before I invest I want to know the final price, sorry. besides i want #62 =)Whatever suits you! The point was just to have a low cost way for people to support the project and gain some cool benifits along the way! You should know though that you will not get to choose your preference for number for units 58 through 100 since they will just be assigned in order of purchase. That was one of the major benifits of the pre order.
did you have any more information on
edit: Sorry about that! yes it was from zeal
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 21 July 2015, 11:03:21
Are you allowing for multiple (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) choices of number on the form? If I don't get my first choice for whatever reason it would be nice if I could maybe get my 2nd or 3rd choice.Yup the form already has spots for first second and third choices.
Just a thought.Before I invest I want to know the final price, sorry. besides i want #62 =)Whatever suits you! The point was just to have a low cost way for people to support the project and gain some cool benifits along the way! You should know though that you will not get to choose your preference for number for units 58 through 100 since they will just be assigned in order of purchase. That was one of the major benifits of the pre order.
did you have any more information on spirits secret switch? I don't know whether I should have sethk tune some clears for me or just wait for spirit's switch and tune those.
Isn't it Zeal who has the secret switch?
I know Zeal has his switch, haven't seen anything for sprit.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 11:05:13
Zeal has switches in development that should be a great addition to the Mira. That said I can't give any more info than is publicly available. There is plenty of time though till you recieve your Mira so no need to rush!Are you allowing for multiple (1st, 2nd, 3rd, etc) choices of number on the form? If I don't get my first choice for whatever reason it would be nice if I could maybe get my 2nd or 3rd choice.Yup the form already has spots for first second and third choices.
Just a thought.Before I invest I want to know the final price, sorry. besides i want #62 =)Whatever suits you! The point was just to have a low cost way for people to support the project and gain some cool benifits along the way! You should know though that you will not get to choose your preference for number for units 58 through 100 since they will just be assigned in order of purchase. That was one of the major benifits of the pre order.
did you have any more information on spirits secret switch? I don't know whether I should have sethk tune some clears for me or just wait for spirit's switch and tune those.
Post by: archer on Tue, 21 July 2015, 12:59:16
I'm trying to decide between winkey vs winkeyless :confused:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 13:18:12
Excuse my ignorance here, but will the firmware for this allow for winkey disabling?
I'm trying to decide between winkey vs winkeyless :confused:
Winkeyless means it's not possible to install a switch in that position so no need for software. Of course you could get the winkey version and in software and disable it. The real reason for winkeyless is asthetic.
Post by: archer on Tue, 21 July 2015, 13:32:08
Perfect, thank you very much! winkeyless it is! :)Excuse my ignorance here, but will the firmware for this allow for winkey disabling?
I'm trying to decide between winkey vs winkeyless :confused:
Winkeyless means it's not possible to install a switch in that position so no need for software. Of course you could get the winkey version and in software and disable it. The real reason for winkeyless is asthetic.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 21 July 2015, 15:35:02
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
Post by: azhdar on Tue, 21 July 2015, 15:49:03
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :D
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
Hoff said it all.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 15:55:29
Still haven't decided, so I may shoot over the order form tonight anyway!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:28:33
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :D
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
Hoff said it all.
Sorry to hear that Hoff, I understand. I have tried my best to make this as low risk as possible and allow people to support the project. If you don't want the benefits of the pre-order and aren't willing to directly support producing prototypes then dont feel any pressure. :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 16:32:54
Not gonna lie: after viewing a few other TKL prototypes these past few days I've been leaning on the fence since there are only renders for this one. That, and the non-refundable $40 would put me over-budget (hey, $40 still counts for me!).
Still haven't decided, so I may shoot over the order form tonight anyway!
As mentioned, you could always transfer your pre-order to someone else if you change your mind!
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:20:22
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:27:33
Im here and lingering. That's right, I will be refreshing my PC from now until 9PM
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Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:43:21
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :DI got to agree with Hoff. I can't justify any level of support considering there are almost no details besides renders and intent. It is asking quite a bit for 57 people to just blindly give $40 without any details on to how much they may be committing to in the end.
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 17:59:33
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :DI got to agree with Hoff. I can't justify any level of support considering there are almost no details besides renders and intent. It is asking quite a bit for 57 people to just blindly give $40 without any details on to how much they may be committing to in the end.
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
Look man, I cant compete with the other makers who can either afford to pay for prototypes themselves or are in a region where prototypes and development are dirt cheep. I am trying to make this in America on GH, two things that arent easy to overcome. I need community support. As I have said repeatedly, I have tried my hardest to make pre-ordering a worthwhile investment, whether that includes making people happy by giving them their numbers or by giving them priority when it comes to assembly which may be tough for this board! Overall a pre-order isnt just a purchase, its a statement that you are willing to support this project and would like to see the Mira come to fruition. If you dont care about either of those things, by all means skip the pre-order, I wont be upset.
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 21 July 2015, 18:07:07
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :DI got to agree with Hoff. I can't justify any level of support considering there are almost no details besides renders and intent. It is asking quite a bit for 57 people to just blindly give $40 without any details on to how much they may be committing to in the end.
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
I am not sure people have read the interest check properly if you believe there has been no details and estimates on price.
There is no commitment in a pre order from what i understand to buy later. It reserves you a specific number and spot int he GB, and as Hubble has already said these pre orders can be transferred if you feel the end result from prototyping and colors provided are not going to be what you want,
I for one have no hesitations putting down a pre order to help this IC get off the ground and into GB stage.
Post by: radio_killah on Tue, 21 July 2015, 18:20:33
I finally caught up on the last 3 months of this IC from when I went MIA. :-[ Whew! :DI got to agree with Hoff. I can't justify any level of support considering there are almost no details besides renders and intent. It is asking quite a bit for 57 people to just blindly give $40 without any details on to how much they may be committing to in the end.
Anyway, I'm still very interested, but unfortunately cannot justify pre-ordering before knowing the final price, color options, or what the prototype looks like. :-/ Best of luck with the pre-orders, Hubble. :thumb: This should shape up to be a really nice board.
I am not sure people have read the interest check properly if you believe there has been no details and estimates on price.
There is no commitment in a pre order from what i understand to buy later. It reserves you a specific number and spot int he GB, and as Hubble has already said these pre orders can be transferred if you feel the end result from prototyping and colors provided are not going to be what you want,
I for one have no hesitations putting down a pre order to help this IC get off the ground and into GB stage.
That is all fine and dandy but the fact remains that details haven't been nailed down yet and I can't support that. That is fine if people still choose to support, I hope Hubble can generate the funds to come out with a prototype as I would like to see it as well, but I would rather not blindly submit my $40. Best of luck.
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 21 July 2015, 18:28:55
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 18:35:14
For my curiosity, how much approximately will the prototype cost in full to produce?
If what hubble told me is true I can understand why he's doing it the way he is. I'll leave it to him to answer the exact question for you. He didn't seem to be too secretive so I'll say it's between 1k and 5k.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 18:57:55
For my curiosity, how much approximately will the prototype cost in full to produce?
If what hubble told me is true I can understand why he's doing it the way he is. I'll leave it to him to answer the exact question for you. He didn't seem to be too secretive so I'll say it's between 1k and 5k.
I don't want to give exact numbers but let's just say you could buy a few 356clswith that kinda money.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:30:19
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:31:02
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:32:23
The time has come.And so have I.
Post by: Wuzadi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:42:05
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:43:07
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:43:41
The form indicates that I can't sell my preorder for profit. I never intend to, but I was wondering if it's okay to sell it for the base $40 if I choose not to go with the final product. Thanks.
I'd imagine so.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:47:58
The form indicates that I can't sell my preorder for profit. I never intend to, but I was wondering if it's okay to sell it for the base $40 if I choose not to go with the final product. Thanks.
Yes you can sell it for the $40 base price :thumb:
Post by: Alex92 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:51:13
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:52:10
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 19:55:27
Stop moving the colors around!The form indicates that I can't sell my preorder for profit. I never intend to, but I was wondering if it's okay to sell it for the base $40 if I choose not to go with the final product. Thanks.
Yes you can sell it for the $40 base price :thumb:
Edit: Couldn't submit right away because I had to rechoose the colors since they kept moving.
Also, didn't know only three colors.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:00:34
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:00:43
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:00:46
waiting by PP for launch :thumb:
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:00:53
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:01:09
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:01:19
Post by: uJalled on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:01:30
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:02:08
Post by: hrinfinity on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:03:44
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:03:46
"you may only choose three..." DAMMIT!!
Yeah that **** got me too. I was so salty. lol.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:04:14
"you may only choose three..." DAMMIT!!Hahaha that totally got me too... hopefully other people tripped up on that as well :p
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:04:28
Just got my confirmation email :D
Same here. I got it right away, but I believe that was automatically sent out when you submit your form. Let's just wait for the invoice for real confirmation. :)
Post by: archer on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:05:11
Thanks again for doing this Dr!
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:07:38
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:07:45
order placed! I missed 9 by 1 second :(How do you know what number you got?
waiting by PP for launch :thumb:
Also, can I edit my address?
Post by: CPTBadAss on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:08:02
For my curiosity, how much approximately will the prototype cost in full to produce?
If what hubble told me is true I can understand why he's doing it the way he is. I'll leave it to him to answer the exact question for you. He didn't seem to be too secretive so I'll say it's between 1k and 5k.
A bit late but I'll float this out there. DrHubblePHD has a quote in hand for the prototype. However, that quote shouldn't be looked at as JUST the cost of the keyboard. The shop is going to take the time to setup the tooling, get someone dialed in to make this run, and get materials for him. Tooling, manpower, and materials are all factors in this as well. In fact, I'd probably say that the shop is probably billing most of that cost to the tooling for the prototype.
Best of luck in your fundraising efforts and I look forward to more Made in America/Geekhack custom keyboards.
Post by: limitz on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:12:16
For my curiosity, how much approximately will the prototype cost in full to produce?
If what hubble told me is true I can understand why he's doing it the way he is. I'll leave it to him to answer the exact question for you. He didn't seem to be too secretive so I'll say it's between 1k and 5k.
A bit late but I'll float this out there. DrHubblePHD has a quote in hand for the prototype. However, that quote shouldn't be looked at as JUST the cost of the keyboard. The shop is going to take the time to setup the tooling, get someone dialed in to make this run, and get materials for him. Tooling, manpower, and materials are all factors in this as well. In fact, I'd probably say that the shop is probably billing most of that cost to the tooling for the prototype.
Best of luck in your fundraising efforts and I look forward to more Made in America/Geekhack custom keyboards.
Exactly why I'm supporting this buy. I'd love to see a well-made American custom.
As for the arguments that we don't know final price, most of us supporting this buy aren't new this hobby. Most Kustom kits average about ~400. I would assume this would be around there as well. The only real question mark is the machining and anodization quality. However, there are enough competent machine shops in the US that I'm confident there will be a quality end product.
Lastly, as someone in the midst of launching my own hardware startup, I wish for this buy to succeed for personal reasons as well. One maker supporting another.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:23:12
I will be sending out the first round of invoices in an hour or so
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:40:06
Sorry about the confusion with the colors, I had testers but I guess it wasn't made clear enough. Everyone was hopefully on a level playing ground. Thanks to everyone who already ordered, there are still spots left!Half an hour in and there are still spots?!
I will be sending out the first round of invoices in an hour or so
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:40:15
Post by: HTN47 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:41:33
Doubt anyone would want the number 47 anyways hehe :D
Post by: abjr on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:49:21
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 20:56:19
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:01:13
Form will auto close when the pre order is full so keep them coming!
How full is it?
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:03:13
Post by: Air tree on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:35:05
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:48:03
At the risk of sounding pushy... some of us on the Right Coast are probably thinking about going to bed soon, and you gave us a time limit to pay. :-[
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:57:48
If someone could confirm that would be great!
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:59:08
Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 21:59:40
Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Post by: Data on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:00:06
Thanks Hubble.
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:01:24
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:02:06
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:03:17
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:04:40
About to pay, but before I do is it possible to change my response? Not going to change my number; just the address (since you're going to mail a confirmation letter) and I wish to get assembly services after all.
If you go back to your response you should be able to change it manually. Let me know if you cant figure it out. No worries though, we can get it worked out.
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:06:13
Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Any idea when those are supposed to go out?
Paid.
Post by: nothing4me on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:08:10
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:08:20
I hope the proto turns out well. Don't want to see a second round of pre orders... :))
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:08:54
About to pay, but before I do is it possible to change my response? Not going to change my number; just the address (since you're going to mail a confirmation letter) and I wish to get assembly services after all.
If you go back to your response you should be able to change it manually. Let me know if you cant figure it out. No worries though, we can get it worked out.
I never actually read the line that we would get a letter sent to us.. I was planning on this buy taking quite a while so I put my permanent address, but I'm won't be at home the whole summer. If its not too much trouble, could I pm you a temp address for you to send the thank you mail to? Or else I can just check my mail in 2 months :]
Post by: filphil on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:09:36
Post by: uJalled on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:11:08
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:12:10
Paid, but my shipping address on my paypal is different than the shipping address I put on the form. I want the address on the form, is there any way to indicate this?
The address on the form is of course what will be used.
That was the purpose of the section on the form.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:17:16
About to pay, but before I do is it possible to change my response? Not going to change my number; just the address (since you're going to mail a confirmation letter) and I wish to get assembly services after all.
If you go back to your response you should be able to change it manually. Let me know if you cant figure it out. No worries though, we can get it worked out.
Paid and changed the form. I received another email about the form confirmation, but I hope that doesn't screw up my number preference (didn't change them).
Sorry for the confusion, but thanks for this IC!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:17:32
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:22:14
No ragrets. :p
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:28:48
Post by: archer on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:40:42
Okay guys im going to bed, ill send out more invoices as they come. Thanks so much for your support, can't wait till you see the prototype!Paid! :thumb:
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:43:33
Okay guys im going to bed, ill send out more invoices as they come. Thanks so much for your support, can't wait till you see the prototype!
Paid, so excite.
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 21 July 2015, 22:51:41
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 21 July 2015, 23:11:55
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 21 July 2015, 23:15:31
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 21 July 2015, 23:56:13
Fingers crossed for my number.... paid!Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Dr. Hubble - shipping address in the paypal invoice is not the same as what I submitted in the pre-order form; either address should be fine but the one submitted via paypal would be preferred if it's not a hassle for you to change it.
So what colors did y'all end up voting on? I really want a gun metal / dark gray option, but teal, purple, red, black, or some shade of blue all appeal to me. I can't spare the suspense, anyone else ask for #42?
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 21 July 2015, 23:59:47
Fingers crossed for my number.... paid!Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Dr. Hubble - shipping address in the paypal invoice is not the same as what I submitted in the pre-order form; either address should be fine but the one submitted via paypal would be preferred if it's not a hassle for you to change it.
So what colors did y'all end up voting on? I really want a gun metal / dark gray option, but teal, purple, red, black, or some shade of blue all appeal to me. I can't spare the suspense, anyone else ask for #42?
Dark Grey is up on my list, also added a Lime Green vote.
I know of one person who may or may not have asked for 42! Was not in my list of numbers tho.
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 00:03:35
I will do anything to get my hands on gold. Even if it costs an extra arm after I've already paid a leg.
You can always get the board anodized, powdercoated, or coloured in some other fashion yourself after the buy. More expensive than doing it in a run with 20+ other boards, but should be doable.
Fingers crossed for my number.... paid!Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Dr. Hubble - shipping address in the paypal invoice is not the same as what I submitted in the pre-order form; either address should be fine but the one submitted via paypal would be preferred if it's not a hassle for you to change it.
So what colors did y'all end up voting on? I really want a gun metal / dark gray option, but teal, purple, red, black, or some shade of blue all appeal to me. I can't spare the suspense, anyone else ask for #42?
Dark Grey is up on my list, also added a Lime Green vote.
I know of one person who may or may not have asked for 42! Was not in my list of numbers tho.
I voted for dark grey, sky blue, and silver. If I had my pick of the three, would likely choose dark grey. It goes with the most things. Thought about red, but I don't have any keysets that I feel would go well with red.
I did not ask for 42. I put myself down as wanting 18, 15, 11.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 22 July 2015, 01:26:45
Fingers crossed for my number.... paid!Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Dr. Hubble - shipping address in the paypal invoice is not the same as what I submitted in the pre-order form; either address should be fine but the one submitted via paypal would be preferred if it's not a hassle for you to change it.
So what colors did y'all end up voting on? I really want a gun metal / dark gray option, but teal, purple, red, black, or some shade of blue all appeal to me. I can't spare the suspense, anyone else ask for #42?
Uh oh. I asked for #42 as well. Good luck!
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 22 July 2015, 01:33:20
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 22 July 2015, 02:31:57
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 22 July 2015, 07:33:18
Post by: filphil on Wed, 22 July 2015, 07:58:10
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 08:25:07
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 22 July 2015, 08:27:37
All right. So far none of my numbers have been shown!
How are you so sure?
Mwahahahahahahaha
-Evil Laugh-
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 22 July 2015, 08:46:25
I was after 23
Nooooooo that's my lucky number :(
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 22 July 2015, 08:59:22
Post by: MrMen on Wed, 22 July 2015, 09:06:50
Post by: limitz on Wed, 22 July 2015, 09:10:36
Fingers crossed for my number.... paid!Sorry for the delay, the invoices should have just gone out! Ignore your confirmation email you have 18 hours to submit payment (24 for international orders)
Is the invoice number related at all to the keyboard number?
No, your number will come with your thank you note in the mail!
Dr. Hubble - shipping address in the paypal invoice is not the same as what I submitted in the pre-order form; either address should be fine but the one submitted via paypal would be preferred if it's not a hassle for you to change it.
So what colors did y'all end up voting on? I really want a gun metal / dark gray option, but teal, purple, red, black, or some shade of blue all appeal to me. I can't spare the suspense, anyone else ask for #42?
I asked for #42 as my top choice. I am invoice #11.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 22 July 2015, 09:17:33
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 22 July 2015, 09:58:25
Post by: "Edgar Allen Pho is Dead." on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:06:47
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:24:25
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:31:43
42
The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything.
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:33:29
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:44:09
I ordered an hour late and got invoice #0003.
Nobody will have any clue what they got.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:46:12
Nah... :blank:
Post by: Data on Wed, 22 July 2015, 10:56:10
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:12:25
And we only don't know why this is the answer because no one know the question.42
The Answer to the Ultimate Question of Life, The Universe, and Everything.
Douglas Adams died too soon. :(
Post by: archer on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:12:52
14, 10, 17. fingers crossed.
whoa whoa whoa... slowwwwllly step awaayyy from the 10. ;)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:15:54
No. Maybe something like a certificate of authenticity though. :P
Yeah, that's what I figured. Can't hurt to dream...
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:17:31
Post by: filphil on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:17:46
No. Maybe something like a certificate of authenticity though. :P
Yeah, that's what I figured. Can't hurt to dream...
I hope he sends a picture of nyaan cat leaving a rainbow trail with your number lagging behind the kitty... in space, of course
Post by: theanyday on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:30:38
Post by: romevi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 11:33:29
4 8 15 16 23 42
Okay, only now did someone post one of the numbers I've chosen. It gives me hope.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 22 July 2015, 12:22:25
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 22 July 2015, 12:43:27
Interesting that Hubbs is going to mail a pre-order confirmation. Could it include a custom keycap with our number on it?! :-X
Nah... :blank:
Yeah, I am digging the snail mail approach. :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 22 July 2015, 12:52:54
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 22 July 2015, 13:34:14
Post by: HTN47 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 13:50:37
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 22 July 2015, 13:52:24
Hey Dr. Hubble, is it too late to pay for my invoice? I went to bed after putting in my order and it has been well past 8 hrs since then :(Ignore the confirmation email, its 18 hours after the invoice is sent, so if you pay now, your all good :thumb:
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 22 July 2015, 14:10:07
I am so far pleasantly surprised how many people have gotten their first choice!
i just changed my second choice and resubmitted the form. i got another automated invoice email... hope i didnt screw this up! again!
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 22 July 2015, 14:20:54
Post by: Blackehart on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:28:42
I am in it to win it and No Limit is my home!
:p
Post by: Pemdas on Wed, 22 July 2015, 15:44:43
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 22 July 2015, 18:47:53
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 22 July 2015, 18:50:21
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 22 July 2015, 19:58:58
P.S.: I hope for an aluminum plate option. And would be cool if it could be color-anodized. I thought the light gold plate for the Skeldon design looked awesome in person when I briefly saw it. Would be interesting in other colors too, but if it begins to pile up the costs (extra labor), I understand why it might be better to stick with the basic silver.
Do we have to worry about galvanic corrosion if we get a steel plate?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 22 July 2015, 20:18:07
Post by: tribade on Wed, 22 July 2015, 22:51:22
Post by: user 18 on Wed, 22 July 2015, 23:05:28
God I completely forgot about this yesterday! Hope I still got in on it. I don't actually care what number I get :)
I believe Hubble said the form would go down automatically once enough people had ordered, so if you've filled out the form, you should be good!
I have paid for the invoice. Does that mean I have gotten the no. I want? :-*
Unfortunately not necessarily. I think our numbers are being mailed to us.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 22 July 2015, 23:27:44
I don't think so in this case, as nothing relevantly conductive should be touching the plate. I just prefer the feel of aluminum plates to steel, for nicer springiness. Steel feels very rigid as a plate for my liking.
For me, this depends on the switch.
Aluminum for tactile. Steel for linear.
Post by: tribade on Wed, 22 July 2015, 23:36:04
God I completely forgot about this yesterday! Hope I still got in on it. I don't actually care what number I get :)
I believe Hubble said the form would go down automatically once enough people had ordered, so if you've filled out the form, you should be good!I have paid for the invoice. Does that mean I have gotten the no. I want? :-*
Unfortunately not necessarily. I think our numbers are being mailed to us.
Whoop whoop! Invoice is paid! I'm getting a Mira!
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 22 July 2015, 23:38:54
I don't think so in this case, as nothing relevantly conductive should be touching the plate. I just prefer the feel of aluminum plates to steel, for nicer springiness. Steel feels very rigid as a plate for my liking.
For me, this depends on the switch.
Aluminum for tactile. Steel for linear.
I've tried different types on my Lightsaver and the only ones I could handle for long use were stock Clears--the combination of thick steel plate + very rigid bottom construction made any other switches I've tried sort of painful on my fingertips. Use of thin o-rings between the plate/pcb and the bottom case on the stand-offs helped a little. I did like custom steel plates on stock Filcos because those had more springy plastic cases to compensate, but I've realized I like aluminum more for metal-cased keyboards. Just a personal opinion :)
Post by: Eaven on Thu, 23 July 2015, 03:37:59
The price is a mystery! !
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:07:12
https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712 (https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712)
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:08:25
Intelli's on twitter talking about how he got number 13. Have the letters been sent out yet? How does he know? Is he just talking smack?
https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712 (https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712)
Maybe it's not intelli.
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:11:20
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:28:20
Intelli's on twitter talking about how he got number 13. Have the letters been sent out yet? How does he know? Is he just talking smack?livingspeedbump has taken over Keychatter.
https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712 (https://twitter.com/keychatter/status/624290916971507712)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 23 July 2015, 14:30:17
That said, I'm nervous and excited to see what number I got.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 23 July 2015, 16:09:04
Quote
Got lucky #13 in the Mira pre-sale. So stoked!
@hjc1710 actual kb #. I was invoice 9 even though I entered right at 9pm. That was a good sign of how much interest there was :)
Now I'm really curious which number I got; stupid order form kept tripping me up cause it didn't specify how many colors to list as interested in until you tried to submit.
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 23 July 2015, 16:31:58
Someone's got an inside source O_oQuoteGot lucky #13 in the Mira pre-sale. So stoked!
@hjc1710 actual kb #. I was invoice 9 even though I entered right at 9pm. That was a good sign of how much interest there was :)
Now I'm really curious which number I got; stupid order form kept tripping me up cause it didn't specify how many colors to list as interested in until you tried to submit.
That's some real bull****, if true. He also claimed he traded numbers with someone.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 23 July 2015, 18:00:01
If you submitted a form within the first few minutes, it's very likely you got the number you wanted and almost guaranteed you got one of your top three.
The only reason livingspeedbump knows his number because I personally endorsed a trade to allow another member to have the number they wanted that meant a lot to them. I don't intend on making any other exceptions so please don't PM me asking for trades. While I told the two that all of this was to remain hush till everyone else got their number, clearly they did not follow instructions. I apologize for any anxiety, don't worry, you will all get your numbers soon. :thumb:
Post by: Sifo on Thu, 23 July 2015, 18:04:49
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 23 July 2015, 18:25:19
Okay everyone calm down it's going to be alright :))(http://i.imgur.com/vNJAYxY.jpg)
If you submitted a form within the first few minutes, it's very likely you got the number you wanted and almost guaranteed you got one of your top three.
The only reason livingspeedbump knows his number because I personally endorsed a trade to allow another member to have the number they wanted that meant a lot to them. I don't intend on making any other exceptions so please don't PM me asking for trades. While I told the two that all of this was to remain hush till everyone else got their number, clearly they did not follow instructions. I apologize for any anxiety, don't worry, you will all get your numbers soon. :thumb:
J/K, no jimmies rustled ^-^
I picked a few numbers that I knew would likely be popular, so if I didn't get my choice(s) it's not a big deal at all, was just curious how livingspeedbump found out so quickly! Glad to hear you made someone's day by getting them their dream pre-order # :thumb:
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:00:43
Post by: ocodo on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:22:40
Please check your emails and look for jasonm23 in the email address, all will become clear.
Thanks!
Post by: theanyday on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:26:44
Okay everyone calm down it's going to be alright :))
If you submitted a form within the first few minutes, it's very likely you got the number you wanted and almost guaranteed you got one of your top three.
The only reason livingspeedbump knows his number because I personally endorsed a trade to allow another member to have the number they wanted that meant a lot to them. I don't intend on making any other exceptions so please don't PM me asking for trades. While I told the two that all of this was to remain hush till everyone else got their number, clearly they did not follow instructions. I apologize for any anxiety, don't worry, you will all get your numbers soon. :thumb:
Well guess that means I didn't get 13. Crap... I knew I shouldn't have gotten that 13 tattooed on my neck just yet. lol
Post by: diqkiq on Thu, 23 July 2015, 19:27:15
This board looks really cool! Good job! Do you consider doing such an IC for a 60% board?Slow down there turbo. One project to fund at a time!
. But seriously, I would like to see another Mira type board in 60%.
Post by: kurocat on Thu, 23 July 2015, 21:22:08
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 23 July 2015, 21:40:45
Is the pre-order still open?
If the form is open, the orders are.
Post by: Ngt on Fri, 24 July 2015, 02:26:40
I was just asking if that's something they'll want to do. I know that it couldn't be before months. ;)This board looks really cool! Good job! Do you consider doing such an IC for a 60% board?Slow down there turbo. One project to fund at a time!
Post by: Kyi195 on Fri, 24 July 2015, 23:27:56
Post by: unipsykal on Fri, 24 July 2015, 23:48:43
Post by: romevi on Sat, 25 July 2015, 00:11:49
Am I allowed to request a number higher than 57? I really want 84 or 63
No.
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 25 July 2015, 00:12:25
Am I allowed to request a number higher than 57? I really want 84 or 63
No.
:(
Post by: romevi on Sat, 25 July 2015, 00:13:32
Am I allowed to request a number higher than 57? I really want 84 or 63
No.
:(
*hugs*
Post by: E3E on Sat, 25 July 2015, 08:22:05
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 25 July 2015, 08:27:59
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 25 July 2015, 08:54:24
I didn't get an invoice after submitting the form. Did we hit 57 already?
I sent out your invoice this morning, please check your inbox :thumb:
Post by: unipsykal on Sat, 25 July 2015, 10:11:28
I didn't get an invoice after submitting the form. Did we hit 57 already?
I sent out your invoice this morning, please check your inbox :thumb:
Got it, thanks!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 27 July 2015, 11:52:05
Thanks again to everyone who pre-ordered. Your letter containing my thanks and your number assignment will be sent out in the next few days.
The CNC shop has begun programming the machines for the Mira and so far, besides a couple small snags, everything is going well. I have been promised that I will receive progress shots after each part is milled. I will post those photos here as I get them. All and all, were still about a week away from milling and 2-3 weeks away from it being complete and sent off to anodizing.
After the board is done and in my hands I will assemble it including the b.mira prototype PCB which has also been ordered. I will likely record my assembly as a sort of tutorial video showing you how to assemble a Mira if you want to do it yourself. :thumb: After it is done I will be sending the board around to a couple reviewers for some third party views on the board (if you are interested in reviewing it feel free to contact me). Assuming everything is A okay I will then start the Group Buy!
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 27 July 2015, 12:11:43
Post by: tribade on Mon, 27 July 2015, 14:01:00
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 27 July 2015, 19:10:42
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 27 July 2015, 19:35:30
Post by: Air tree on Mon, 27 July 2015, 20:46:43
And I doubt that's what you'd have in mind. :p
Post by: romevi on Mon, 27 July 2015, 21:18:27
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 28 July 2015, 18:26:00
Post by: ocodo on Wed, 29 July 2015, 10:54:27
Please let me know you got all that ok, as I'm still waiting for a reply. (I know you're busy, I just want to make sure the pre-order is safe!!!)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 29 July 2015, 11:10:12
@DrHubblePhd - I hope you got my stack of emails - I had trouble with PayPal, and sent you payment from a different account. My email is jasonm23 ... at gmail. I updated with jasonm23+sg at gmail, and sent payment with that.
Please let me know you got all that ok, as I'm still waiting for a reply. (I know you're busy, I just want to make sure the pre-order is safe!!!)
Yes, sorry for not getting back to you. Im pretty sure you just used a different account to pay for the same invoice since I have you marked as paid on your old email. Either way, your good! :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:02:33
http://goo.gl/forms/UuvTlEq0Di
Also if you want to buy me pizza since I have no spending money send $15 to my paypal labeled "pizza" :thumb: (this is a joke)
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:05:21
I was kinda hoping we could see it before the rest of the ordering went on. :(
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 29 July 2015, 22:07:21
I really hope that these won't be sold out by the time we get a prototype.
I was kinda hoping we could see it before the rest of the ordering went on. :(
Dont worry, if it did sell out I would raise the total number of units (perhaps unnumbered) to be produced to allow more people into the buy. This is by no means an official statement though :))
Post by: romevi on Fri, 31 July 2015, 00:59:47
Post by: Cottonsox on Fri, 31 July 2015, 01:09:17
Any update on mailed certificates?
I am sure they are in the works, Hubble said a few days before he could mail them.
So i am sure some will arrive next week for US Folks.
Post by: Bevo on Fri, 31 July 2015, 02:25:09
Post by: Fire Brand on Fri, 31 July 2015, 07:33:44
Post by: Elth on Fri, 31 July 2015, 17:02:14
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:10:46
(http://i.imgur.com/rhB0Sqk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QwNaFEs.jpg)
#gethype
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:12:26
I guess I won't be getting mine until one or two batches from now, seeing how I'm number 36
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:12:42
First 15 go out tommorow!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/rhB0Sqk.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/QwNaFEs.jpg)
#gethype
Man this is so cool
Hype train be like
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Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:13:48
Nice.
I guess I won't be getting mine until one or two batches from now, seeing how I'm number 36
They will go out quicker now that I have my template set, I just need to get some more envelopes :))
Post by: adamski07 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:18:31
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:20:48
Post by: romevi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:22:40
I am pretty sure that #7 is addressed to me! ;)
No, it's addressed to ME. :mad:
At least, if my second number was chosen. Which of course it wasn't, right Hubbs? So that means I'll get mine later if I got my first choice?! :-*
Post by: adamski07 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:32:55
I am pretty sure that #7 is addressed to me! ;)
No, it's addressed to ME. :mad:
At least, if my second number was chosen. Which of course it wasn't, right Hubbs? So that means I'll get mine later if I got my first choice?! :-*
No! But if ever you got it first, I'm def okay with my 2nd choice :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:34:37
I am pretty sure that #7 is addressed to me! ;)
No, it's addressed to ME. :mad:
At least, if my second number was chosen. Which of course it wasn't, right Hubbs? So that means I'll get mine later if I got my first choice?! :-*
No! But if ever you got it first, I'm def okay with my 2nd choice :)
What if I told you only one of you was wrong
(http://www.cinemit.com/images/drevil.jpg)
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:34:38
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:35:56
Nice.
I guess I won't be getting mine until one or two batches from now, seeing how I'm number 36
They will go out quicker now that I have my template set, I just need to get some more envelopes :))
Since you didn't say I wasn't, I'm now sure I'm 36 :)
Thanks!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:37:57
or not,Nice.
I guess I won't be getting mine until one or two batches from now, seeing how I'm number 36
They will go out quicker now that I have my template set, I just need to get some more envelopes :))
Since you didn't say I wasn't, I'm now sure I'm 36 :)
Thanks!
but maybe
Post by: romevi on Sun, 02 August 2015, 23:46:34
hubbs plsI am pretty sure that #7 is addressed to me! ;)
No, it's addressed to ME. :mad:
At least, if my second number was chosen. Which of course it wasn't, right Hubbs? So that means I'll get mine later if I got my first choice?! :-*
No! But if ever you got it first, I'm def okay with my 2nd choice :)
What if I told you only one of you was wrongShow Image(http://www.cinemit.com/images/drevil.jpg)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 03 August 2015, 09:11:30
(http://puu.sh/jnL03/6fd7513dfd.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/jnKZq/9c922ac5b4.jpg)
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 09:19:14
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 03 August 2015, 10:42:01
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 03 August 2015, 10:48:08
Not sure why you guys think they could be yours ;D
Post by: digi on Mon, 03 August 2015, 10:56:14
Post by: rpeterclark on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:08:45
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 03 August 2015, 11:13:21
May I vote for a neutral color PCB? Like white, black, gray? Or are those mucho expensive?
Post by: Ngt on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:07:35
Is that a cookie cutter PCB? Why are there smd rgb leds underneath if the case is aluminum?
Perhaps there are some holes to let the light go through like on the Orion V2 however that's not what I thought looking the pictures in the OP.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Mon, 03 August 2015, 17:21:11
Looks cool!If we get to vote, I'd vote for this too; white or black would be sleek :thumb:
May I vote for a neutral color PCB? Like white, black, gray? Or are those mucho expensive?
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 03 August 2015, 18:06:25
Looks cool!
May I vote for a neutral color PCB? Like white, black, gray? Or are those mucho expensive?
When I bought my b.87, I remember the other colors costs a bit more than green pcb. Maybe he just sent the green one for the prototype. I am hoping we get to choose other color as I would love to get the pcb in white again.
Post by: Data on Tue, 04 August 2015, 10:27:47
Post by: Ngt on Tue, 04 August 2015, 16:52:41
PCB looks amazeballs. Hubble, can you explain how the RGB LEDs will work with the current case design?
I'm pretty curious about that as well to be honest. :)
Post by: sethk_ on Tue, 04 August 2015, 18:15:00
hojin puts RGB backlight on all of his PCBs, probably just for general use. Even if the board doesn't use it, he will still include it because it is something all of his boards b series and newer use.PCB looks amazeballs. Hubble, can you explain how the RGB LEDs will work with the current case design?
I'm pretty curious about that as well to be honest. :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:15:28
hojin puts RGB backlight on all of his PCBs, probably just for general use. Even if the board doesn't use it, he will still include it because it is something all of his boards b series and newer use.PCB looks amazeballs. Hubble, can you explain how the RGB LEDs will work with the current case design?
I'm pretty curious about that as well to be honest. :)
Yeah, all of winkeyless' b series pcbs have those leds by default. They will not be useful with the Mira obviously :))
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Wed, 05 August 2015, 14:43:56
Looks cool!
May I vote for a neutral color PCB? Like white, black, gray? Or are those mucho expensive?
When I bought my b.87, I remember the other colors costs a bit more than green pcb. Maybe he just sent the green one for the prototype. I am hoping we get to choose other color as I would love to get the pcb in white again.
Green soldermask is the industry standard, other colors will make you pay extra. And from what I saw on my research, black is the most expensive color. For prototyping green is as good as any oher color.
Post by: asgeirtj on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:18:33
(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D7B3F54DF5E9835FD76)
Imo the v2 is much better looking. I've seen some customs which have this rough kind of aluminum and others which have a smooth surface and I think the smooth surface is much prettier.
Post by: wlhlm on Wed, 05 August 2015, 19:37:49
Will the silver type Mira look like the Orion V1 or the V2 in terms of materials?The V2 case in the picture looks like it's the unfinished prototype (http://duck0113.tistory.com/m/post/117).Show Image(http://cfile29.uf.tistory.com/image/263D7B3F54DF5E9835FD76)
Imo the v2 is much better looking. I've seen some customs which have this rough kind of aluminum and others which have a smooth surface and I think the smooth surface is much prettier.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 05 August 2015, 20:24:47
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 06 August 2015, 09:05:04
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 06 August 2015, 09:09:22
FYi I'm going to be backpacking for the next five days, so I will be unable to answer questions or send out invoices. I will catch up on everything when I get back :thumb:
Very good excuse to be away for 5 day :thumb: Have fun and be safe!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 09:57:51
FYi I'm going to be backpacking for the next five days, so I will be unable to answer questions or send out invoices. I will catch up on everything when I get back :thumb:
Sending out invoices? Invoices already are going out for this?
Or did you mean the rest of the certificates?
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:09:22
FYi I'm going to be backpacking for the next five days, so I will be unable to answer questions or send out invoices. I will catch up on everything when I get back :thumb:
Sending out invoices? Invoices already are going out for this?
Or did you mean the rest of the certificates?
Invoices if people are pre-ordering, I would assume.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:55:08
Post by: LunarisDream on Thu, 06 August 2015, 10:56:33
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:42:28
I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:44:33
I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 06 August 2015, 16:56:31
I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
Nah you should be good. We don't know the final price or when invoices for the big amount will be sent out still
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:16:45
I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
yeah, not sure if any of the first 57 still need to pay their $40 pre-order. I was talking about the remaining balance
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 17:44:01
I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
yeah, not sure if any of the first 57 still need to pay their $40 pre-order. I was talking about the remaining balance
Okay, yeah; that's what I thought. I don't think there's even a price yet, but it'll be $400+, I believe.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:17:15
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 18:54:47
There have been some design tweaks and other decisions made since that number was tossed around so it's anybody's guess at this point.I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
yeah, not sure if any of the first 57 still need to pay their $40 pre-order. I was talking about the remaining balance
Okay, yeah; that's what I thought. I don't think there's even a price yet, but it'll be $400+, I believe.
Post by: monotagary on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:06:48
There have been some design tweaks and other decisions made since that number was tossed around so it's anybody's guess at this point.I believe invoices won't be sent until there it's an approved prototype
He has been accepting pre-orders for a while now. The initial "Fab 57" have been spoken for, but you can still put down a $40 deposit as your pre-order if you're interested in helping to fund the prototype.
Oh, those invoices. I believe I was one of the first 57, and if so that's already been paid for.
Thought I missed a post or something!
yeah, not sure if any of the first 57 still need to pay their $40 pre-order. I was talking about the remaining balance
Okay, yeah; that's what I thought. I don't think there's even a price yet, but it'll be $400+, I believe.
Yeah I think we'll all be interested to see what the price comes to. Especially considering all the manufacturing is being done in the States. $400+ would be fine with me though because this board is really unique and has so many amazing things going for it. Hubble has done great work in trying to bring innovation to the NA community.
Post by: abjr on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:32:36
Post by: Data on Thu, 06 August 2015, 19:44:31
Post by: abjr on Thu, 06 August 2015, 20:01:17
LOL are you laying your claim there, abjr?
Only reporting what the postman delivered ;) I guess I'm the first? Wasn't one of the 3 numbers I picked, and for ordering so late, I'm surprised I got such a low number.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 06 August 2015, 20:10:42
Hot diggity-dog! You're the first so far as we know! That's great to hear! Here's hoping I don't get mine yet as my first choice definitely wasn't in the top 15.LOL are you laying your claim there, abjr?
Only reporting what the postman delivered ;) I guess I'm the first? Wasn't one of the 3 numbers I picked, and for ordering so late, I'm surprised I got such a low number.
So what's in the envelope?!
Post by: Data on Fri, 07 August 2015, 20:54:16
Post by: filphil on Fri, 07 August 2015, 21:16:34
Looks like I am officially #14 of the Fab 57. That wasn't any of my choices, so if someone desperately wants 14 for some reason I'm willing to consider trades. :cool:
I might have to take you up on that. I'll send you a PM.
Post by: hrinfinity on Sat, 08 August 2015, 18:55:02
Post by: romevi on Sat, 08 August 2015, 19:56:59
Post by: Data on Sat, 08 August 2015, 23:17:56
Just curious: For those who didn't get any of their top three, did you submit your forms as soon as it was allowed?
Within 10 seconds, according to time.nist.gov.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 08 August 2015, 23:22:09
Post by: trizkut on Sun, 09 August 2015, 03:44:26
(http://i.imgur.com/g3c5125.jpg)
Post by: hrinfinity on Sun, 09 August 2015, 14:58:06
Just curious: For those who didn't get any of their top three, did you submit your forms as soon as it was allowed?
I submitted within the first 15 seconds (based on timeanddate.com)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 09 August 2015, 14:59:08
I probably took hours to actually decide to do mine.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 11 August 2015, 16:59:32
Post by: filphil on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:15:35
I just got home and back on the Internet. I sent out the invoices that I missed while gone. Please give me time to catch up on messages as well as a number of other things since getting home. Please be patient!
Welcome back doc. Hope you had a good trip
Post by: romevi on Tue, 11 August 2015, 17:30:02
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 11 August 2015, 21:02:08
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 11 August 2015, 21:07:14
Post by: limitz on Wed, 12 August 2015, 12:24:39
ooh i see. Also a question on the assembly service that will be provided for limited boards. Would we need to provide the materials (switches, leds, etc) or will they be included given that you pay for the cost of them?If hubble / thechemist don't want to do switch tuning, I would be more than happy to help out, but I don't have many supplies anymore, but I could always get more.
I would not trust Thechemist at this point.
My buddy has over $500 worth of stuff at his place, and he hasn't responded in over 2 months. He is not the only person that this has happened too. He is holding at least 2-3 other forum members' stuff, and nobody can contact him.
In other threads, there already has been grumblings that something fishy may be up, as he's not responding to any method of communication (including phone calls).
Post by: Rodgaroon on Wed, 12 August 2015, 15:53:52
15 here. Can't remember if I picked primes or perfect squares, but I didn't get 'em :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g3c5125.jpg)
What no Sexy Primes?
Post by: romevi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 16:06:51
15 here. Can't remember if I picked primes or perfect squares, but I didn't get 'em :))Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g3c5125.jpg)
What no Sexy Primes?
Here's a sexy Prime.
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Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:29:25
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:31:43
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag?
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
I would be very interested in a custom Username engraving or Emblem. I know i will not be reselling mine ever so it would be something to hold onto!
Post by: filphil on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:36:06
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
I thought there was something already, lol.
(http://i.imgur.com/PaLEuIQ.jpg)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:40:30
I thought there was something already, lol.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PaLEuIQ.jpg)
There are agnowledgements and a unique number currently. I was just wondering if people would interested in adding a little extra custom touch to their board :thumb:
Post by: Air tree on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:43:27
Post by: filphil on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:43:41
I thought there was something already, lol.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PaLEuIQ.jpg)
There are agnowledgements and a unique number currently. I was just wondering if people would interested in adding a little extra custom touch to their board :thumb:
On a serious note... can I get your autograph then? :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:52:39
I thought there was something already, lol.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PaLEuIQ.jpg)
There are agnowledgements and a unique number currently. I was just wondering if people would interested in adding a little extra custom touch to their board :thumb:
On a serious note... can I get your autograph then? :)
we'll see :p
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:55:19
Post by: filphil on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:56:13
I thought there was something already, lol.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/PaLEuIQ.jpg)
There are agnowledgements and a unique number currently. I was just wondering if people would interested in adding a little extra custom touch to their board :thumb:
On a serious note... can I get your autograph then? :)
we'll see :p
Haha. Seeing those custom options seems like it would cost additional dollars. If it's at no charge then "Why the hell not?!" is what I'll say.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 12 August 2015, 19:57:52
Post by: Data on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:07:59
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
My suggestion for engraving options:
(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy207/ALXis0/all_symbols.jpg)
Post by: Pemdas on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:13:10
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
I would LOVE a custom engraving option for the weight!
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
My suggestion for engraving options:Show Image(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy207/ALXis0/all_symbols.jpg)
This is a great idea :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:46:36
It could also be an optional charge. Since they are custom, it would be handled case by case and you should be able to opt out and keep your price a bit lower
Yeah It would likely be a $5 or so addon for a message, and perhaps a bit more for a custom emblem or symbol since I have to trace it by hand in inventor.
Quick update time!
I spoke with the CNC company, they said they had finished the plate and the rest of the parts were still on schedule!
Had some other ideas I would love some opinions on:
- What about a custom message, username,etc. engraving option for your Mira Weight?
- If not a message, a custom emblem?
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
My suggestion for engraving options:Show Image(http://i792.photobucket.com/albums/yy207/ALXis0/all_symbols.jpg)
thats a pretty cool idea!
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 12 August 2015, 20:59:07
(http://i.imgur.com/dbx3Nix.jpg)
Okay, so maybe this isn't the final design of the weight... however you can see that it is pretty full.
It would be nice however if the custom engravings were done on the other side of the weight which would actually be visible on the back of the board.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:22:59
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:42:58
Well we can already see that the one side of the weight is pretty full already from this entirely official final render.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dbx3Nix.jpg)
Okay, so maybe this isn't the final design of the weight... however you can see that it is pretty full.
It would be nice however if the custom engravings were done on the other side of the weight which would actually be visible on the back of the board.
The ****loard will one day rise to become the premier Korean blocky keyboard
Post by: archer on Wed, 12 August 2015, 21:51:47
Some reference pics:
More
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/2a/3d/d3/2a3dd34b7bab92469035ea28d0d9c5c8.jpg)
Post by: Armagedda on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:36:53
Something to keep in mind is that there are probably others like me who might not be able to come up with a design in time or would rather source their own engravings locally.
If we are going down the custom engraving route, please include the option to leave it COMPLETELY blank for those of us who would rather get it done at a later date.
This is an excellent idea though, and I certainly hope it can happen.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:42:45
I love the idea of offering custom engravings for people.
Something to keep in mind is that there are probably others like me who might not be able to come up with a design in time or would rather source their own engravings locally.
If we are going down the custom engraving route, please include the option to leave it COMPLETELY blank for those of us who would rather get it done at a later date.
This is an excellent idea though, and I certainly hope it can happen.
I cant offer it completely blank since the acknowledgements are very important to me. It also helps me ensure that there are no fakes made and that trades are made fairly (the bottom will have a stamped number on the inside to match the weight). You should probably also know that it would be extremely hard to engrave after it has been milled since the weight is slanted on the outside. You would likely need a custom jig. If you dont have a custom design ready dont worry about it, its not a necessity, its just another small thing that would make the Mira more personal. :thumb:
Post by: Armagedda on Wed, 12 August 2015, 22:54:46
I'll look forward to the next update, cheers.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:32:12
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
You should get with MiTo and revive Cospar... https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62327.0
Post by: romevi on Wed, 12 August 2015, 23:44:21
You know there's a new Cospar? [/list]
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
You should get with MiTo and revive Cospar... https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62327.0
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 13 August 2015, 00:48:15
Post by: joey on Thu, 13 August 2015, 03:08:00
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 09:56:50
Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))You know there's a new Cospar? [/list]
- would anyone like to design a keyset in conjunction with me to compliment the Mira? I don't have experience with it and would love an accomplice who has designed some keysets/run buys in the past. PM me if you are interested, perhaps we can make it a contest for some cool Mira swag? Even if you dont have experience feel free to reach out to me :thumb:
Anyways, those are some ideas that came to mind recently. Nothing final or too serious as of now, just looking for some thoughts.
You should get with MiTo and revive Cospar... https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=62327.0
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:06:21
Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:15:01
I'm still not sure about having the word "****" engraved specifically and deliberately on my custom keyboard :p
Don't worry, the engravings will actually have the names that are on the number confirmation letters.
Shame though. Kind of liked the ****loard. :))
Post by: Binge on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:24:15
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:27:44
Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
ahh okay, I still think the Mira deserves a classy space themed keyset. Maybe its just me though :))
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:34:22
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Hmmm, thinking more about it, maybe it isn't a good idea... :))
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:37:32
Since it is space-themed, you could engrave the Pioneer plaque image!
(Attachment Link)
Hmmm, thinking more about it, maybe it isn't a good idea... :))
yeah maybe not haha. Just to be clear im thinking about a small symbol next to the number not something to cover the entire thing :))
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:39:12
Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
ahh okay, I still think the Mira deserves a classy space themed keyset. Maybe its just me though :))
I agree. I was just trying to link the "revised Cospar" version, but I'd prefer a different set for this. Maybe something with black, white, and silver/gray? I know that's bland, but that's all I can brainstorm with the space theme.
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 13 August 2015, 10:55:08
The current carbon set in the IC matches this set of colour and he's really nice looking.Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
ahh okay, I still think the Mira deserves a classy space themed keyset. Maybe its just me though :))
I agree. I was just trying to link the "revised Cospar" version, but I'd prefer a different set for this. Maybe something with black, white, and silver/gray? I know that's bland, but that's all I can brainstorm with the space theme.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:32:31
yeah maybe not haha. Just to be clear im thinking about a small symbol next to the number not something to cover the entire thing :))I'd like to see engraved at least the pulsar map to Earth. :)
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:33:54
- Are only the first 57 numbered?
- are there a total of 100 boards being made, or is that just the Pre-order limit?
Thanks
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:43:49
yeah maybe not haha. Just to be clear im thinking about a small symbol next to the number not something to cover the entire thing :))I'd like to see engraved at least the pulsar map to Earth. :)
Well then that could be your own custom emblem :thumb:
Post by: aznairjordan on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:48:02
I am in on this! But a couple of noob questions.
- Are only the first 57 numbered?
- are there a total of 100 boards being made, or is that just the Pre-order limit?
Thanks
All of them are numbered but the first 57 got to choose and get gold stabilizers.
I think up to 100 boards can be made, but if only 87 people order then 87 will be made.
DrHubble can correct me if I'm wrong :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:51:21
I am in on this! But a couple of noob questions.
- Are only the first 57 numbered?
- are there a total of 100 boards being made, or is that just the Pre-order limit?
Thanks
All of them are numbered but the first 57 got to choose and get gold stabilizers.
I think up to 100 boards can be made, but if only 87 people order then 87 will be made.
DrHubble can correct me if I'm wrong :)
You got it :thumb:
Post by: user 18 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 11:53:50
The current carbon set in the IC matches this set of colour and he's really nice looking.Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
ahh okay, I still think the Mira deserves a classy space themed keyset. Maybe its just me though :))
I agree. I was just trying to link the "revised Cospar" version, but I'd prefer a different set for this. Maybe something with black, white, and silver/gray? I know that's bland, but that's all I can brainstorm with the space theme.
Carbon is in GB on Massdrop right now, FYI.
Personally, I think I will be using hyperfuse GMK on mine. I will be interested in seeing what colour scheme you come up with for this board though.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:00:01
(http://puu.sh/jAf7z/24c9b8ee17.jpg)(http://puu.sh/jAf88/feb01df3e1.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/jAf9b/1c646c2dda.jpg)(http://puu.sh/jAfa4/41aca2bae7.jpg)
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:12:33
Also I was just going to make some swag for myself but I would be open to running a teespring campaign for these if anyone is interested :DShow Image(http://puu.sh/jAf7z/24c9b8ee17.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf88/feb01df3e1.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf9b/1c646c2dda.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAfa4/41aca2bae7.jpg)
Wow, you're really getting into this...
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:14:14
Also I was just going to make some swag for myself but I would be open to running a teespring campaign for these if anyone is interested :DShow Image(http://puu.sh/jAf7z/24c9b8ee17.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf88/feb01df3e1.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf9b/1c646c2dda.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAfa4/41aca2bae7.jpg)
Wow, you're really getting into this...
#thehypeisreal
I really only thought about getting stuff for me but I figured I would shout it out :))
Post by: filphil on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:18:12
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:22:03
I am in on this! But a couple of noob questions.
- Are only the first 57 numbered?
- are there a total of 100 boards being made, or is that just the Pre-order limit?
Thanks
All of them are numbered but the first 57 got to choose and get gold stabilizers.
I think up to 100 boards can be made, but if only 87 people order then 87 will be made.
DrHubble can correct me if I'm wrong :)
You got it :thumb:
Wood hooo!
So once you've paid your Pre-order $40, I assume you get a number. Wonder if that's the invoice number?
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:26:43
Wonder if that's the invoice number?
Nope. He posted that earlier when the invoices first went out, but I'm too lazy to search through this thread to find it.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:28:13
I am in on this! But a couple of noob questions.
- Are only the first 57 numbered?
- are there a total of 100 boards being made, or is that just the Pre-order limit?
Thanks
All of them are numbered but the first 57 got to choose and get gold stabilizers.
I think up to 100 boards can be made, but if only 87 people order then 87 will be made.
DrHubble can correct me if I'm wrong :)
You got it :thumb:
Wood hooo!
So once you've paid your Pre-order $40, I assume you get a number. Wonder if that's the invoice number?
After 57 the number is assigned in the order the pre orders/orders are received. And the invoice number is irrelevant :p
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:39:10
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:47:35
Accessories-wise, I'd be interested in an acrylic dust protection cover with the Mira logo on it or some such, pending on price.Yes! Keyboards need to have fitted covers. There needs to be a GB for all the keyboards with no covers/skins.
Post by: Data on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:51:41
(http://i.imgur.com/1JHykgi.jpg)
Post by: Data on Thu, 13 August 2015, 12:52:36
Accessories-wise, I'd be interested in an acrylic dust protection cover with the Mira logo on it or some such, pending on price.Yes! Keyboards need to have fitted covers. There needs to be a GB for all the keyboards with no covers/skins.
What? Covers?
No, they're called hands.
Post by: Ngt on Thu, 13 August 2015, 16:13:30
Oh OK thanks.The current carbon set in the IC matches this set of colour and he's really nice looking.Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
ahh okay, I still think the Mira deserves a classy space themed keyset. Maybe its just me though :))
I agree. I was just trying to link the "revised Cospar" version, but I'd prefer a different set for this. Maybe something with black, white, and silver/gray? I know that's bland, but that's all I can brainstorm with the space theme.
Carbon is in GB on Massdrop right now, FYI.
Personally, I think I will be using hyperfuse GMK on mine. I will be interested in seeing what colour scheme you come up with for this board though.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:49:55
Also I was just going to make some swag for myself but I would be open to running a teespring campaign for these if anyone is interested :DShow Image(http://puu.sh/jAf7z/24c9b8ee17.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf88/feb01df3e1.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAf9b/1c646c2dda.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jAfa4/41aca2bae7.jpg)
I have new information from DrHubble and he is willing to start up a Teespring for these wonderful shirts! (as well as the hoodies if that's your jam)
Anyone who has made a pre-order will get a $5 discount! This is not just exclusive to the first 57; all pre-orders will get this benefit!
So if you're on the fence about this board and you dig the shirts, here is one more reason to get in on the action!
Discount codes will be sent out via email.
Please comment below and chime in with your interest and thoughts!
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:52:11
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:54:33
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:56:04
Interested, but depends mostly on price!
Just looking at previous campaigns we can expect them to cost $25 USD. It might be a couple dollars less, however that is pretty much the ballpark for what to expect.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:56:56
And is that the discounted price?
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 20:59:32
Shirts and hoodies?
And is that the discounted price?
Hoodies will be maybe $40 usd?
I'll quickly get word from DrHubble about his plans.
This is not the discounted price. This is actually a high end estimate which will likely be lower, and then further lowered by the discount!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:00:17
Thanks for the info
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:21:06
Shirts are $23 and hoodies are $39!
However, if you have pre-ordered a Mira then you will get an email with a discount code for an extra $5 off your order!
These shirts won't be up for long so act quickly before you regret it.
EDIT: If you have pre-ordered a Mira, please wait for your discount codes to arrive in your email inboxes! Don't miss out on that deal!
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:29:51
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:31:04
Check your emails people, your discount link just got sent!
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:36:06
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:41:26
I'm sure I'm in the minority but - any chance of swag on the other side of the "extra-" spectrum?
If this about sizes then Teespring goes all the way up to 5XL. :thumb:
Might have misunderstood... I actually don't quite know what you mean myself.
(http://i.imgur.com/dQilHRh.png)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 21:42:46
I guess I should save up to actually have the money for the keyboard :P
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:13:18
I'm sure I'm in the minority but - any chance of swag on the other side of the "extra-" spectrum?
If this about sizes then Teespring goes all the way up to 5XL. :thumb:
Sorry, I meant the opposite side as in, XS? Maybe? For me, a Men's Small is the rough equivalent of buying a Mira Mumu.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:26:38
Ha ha! Skinny! You're a small, skinny McSkinnerson!I'm sure I'm in the minority but - any chance of swag on the other side of the "extra-" spectrum?
If this about sizes then Teespring goes all the way up to 5XL. :thumb:
Sorry, I meant the opposite side as in, XS? Maybe? For me, a Men's Small is the rough equivalent of buying a Mira Mumu.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:27:53
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:30:07
I'm sure I'm in the minority but - any chance of swag on the other side of the "extra-" spectrum?
If this about sizes then Teespring goes all the way up to 5XL. :thumb:
Sorry, I meant the opposite side as in, XS? Maybe? For me, a Men's Small is the rough equivalent of buying a Mira Mumu.
That might be an issue...
I know there are ways to sew shirts to be smaller but I don't know if you want to go through the effort for that.
I'm not really the one setting this up. I'm just a third rate PR man.
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:32:33
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:36:44
I haven't received my discount code yet, it's been an hour. Thanks, Obama :( :( :( :(
PM'd If anyone else hasn't received an email at this point just shoot me a PM :thumb:
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 13 August 2015, 22:43:54
Also remember that you cannot, for any reason sell your spot or number for any profit. If you do you will lose your spot and your $40 :eek:
I love the dictatorship
This is necessary!
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 13 August 2015, 23:44:22
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:08:38
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dQilHRh.png)
Hahahahaha. I should've been more clear but that was a solid interpretation...
But no, I'm just short, tiny, and occasionally inarticulate - also female, mostly Asian, and well beyond the age at which I might possibly keep growing. As a reference point, the HHKB Fn-Up combo is a legit stretch. No ****.
I guess there's no Mira swag in my future. :-(
Edit: I would totally bite on some non-wearables!
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 14 August 2015, 00:27:34
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dQilHRh.png)
Hahahahaha. I should've been more clear but that was a solid interpretation...
But no, I'm just short, tiny, and occasionally inarticulate - also female, mostly Asian, and well beyond the age at which I might possibly keep growing. As a reference point, the HHKB Fn-Up combo is a legit stretch. No ****.
I guess there's no Mira swag in my future. :-(
Edit: I would totally bite on some non-wearables!
That is quite unfortunate to hear that you are of that kind of build. :(
I know I used to have trouble with over sized smalls as well, however I have grown into mediums even over the years.
I'll definitely look into the possibility of non wearables though! Make some comments below suggesting what things we could have. I have seen suggestions for acrylic dust covers and soft cases which sound like great ideas!
Post by: theanyday on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:54:01
Post by: Data on Fri, 14 August 2015, 08:54:50
Mira "binary star" plushies
Cetus constellation mobile
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:10:38
...a nice coffee mug would look great next to my keyboard. :p
+1
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 14 August 2015, 10:51:48
Im not sure im prepared for the ****storm involved with using the term MiTo or Cospar :))
Sorry, I meant this one: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74350.msg1829489#msg1829489.
(Was on my phone earlier and too lazy to have linked it.)
this one I am helping out with. cant wait to see what the two designers come up with :thumb:
Post by: archer on Fri, 14 August 2015, 13:50:34
Post by: elton5354 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:35:07
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 14 August 2015, 14:43:53
someone send me the coupon for the shirt and sweater please.
Don't know if I'm allowed to give my coupon away, but you can have mine if there are no issues doing that
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 15:42:19
someone send me the coupon for the shirt and sweater please.
Don't know if I'm allowed to give my coupon away, but you can have mine if there are no issues doing that
Its for those who pre-ordered but if you dont want to use yours thats fine.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 15:57:01
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAAL
(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 15:57:59
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 14 August 2015, 15:58:07
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
Oyeee
Post by: Blackhawk on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:00:08
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
Holy ****, that looks beautiful :thumb:
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:03:18
Post by: Data on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:08:07
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
(http://i.imgur.com/VnQU34z.gif)
Post by: Fire Brand on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:09:25
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKSI think this is it, best get saving my pennies now will have to put a order in tomorrow :I
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
Post by: theanyday on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:12:34
Post by: abjr on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:16:51
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:18:56
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
Oohhhhh... Ahhhhhh.... Pretty..... ...Much excite!
I always like that unfinished aluminum look too--pretty cool :). Have you decided on the finish yet? I.e. bead/sandblasted or brushed? More semi-gloss or matte? I hope it's on the semi-gloss/satin side, not too matte.
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:35:24
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:46:36
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
holeeeebaaalllzz, that looks amaZING! SO HAPPY I AM IN!
Post by: joey on Fri, 14 August 2015, 16:52:54
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 17:04:27
Make sure to get in on some Mira swag as well!
http://teespring.com/hubble-mira-swag
if you pre-ordered check your email for the discount link!
Post by: Binge on Fri, 14 August 2015, 18:20:10
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
I don't mean to be weird but would it be at all possible to get a case bottom milled out of foggy trans polycarb?
Post by: Elth on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:02:30
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/VnQU34z.gif)
I'm having a Clarkson "crisis" right now.
#Hype
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 14 August 2015, 19:57:48
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:18:54
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
I don't mean to be weird but would it be at all possible to get a case bottom milled out of foggy trans polycarb?
Its a little late in the development process for that. Stay tuned though cause I have some surprises in store :thumb:
Post by: monotagary on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:48:55
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 20:55:01
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Really no need for a half plate with switch cutouts :p but if thats really your style then you could always produce one yourself!
Post by: monotagary on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:02:58
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Really no need for a half plate with switch cutouts :p but if thats really your style then you could always produce one yourself!
Might have to! I just love the feel of PCB mounted switches for my alphas.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 21:30:19
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Really no need for a half plate with switch cutouts :p but if thats really your style then you could always produce one yourself!
Might have to! I just love the feel of PCB mounted switches for my alphas.
Let me know how I can help :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:12:25
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:38:35
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Really no need for a half plate with switch cutouts :p but if thats really your style then you could always produce one yourself!
Might have to! I just love the feel of PCB mounted switches for my alphas.
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
You have to remember we are dealing with companies that manufacture items for profit. In order to get costs down an item needs to be made in quanity. The more options, the fewer made, the cost either goes up or the company refuses to make the item because of the number. Making acrylic bases, half-plates, plates of different materials - increases the prices or prevents the items from being made. I know Duck does it but believe me manufacturing in Korea or China is not the same as in America. Everyone should be impressed and thankful of all the work DrHubblePhD has done on the design of this board and the coordination between him and the machine shop. I've been helping and this is the third shop we've worked with and seems to be one that will make us a good product at a reasonable price. They want to make the board and they are working with him and myself to make it affordable. I am simply "the grunt" doing the legwork and facilitaing communication - the others have done the hard stuff. The design has been tweaked subtlely to reduce machining costs and looks great. I have fielded a question or two about areas on the top plate such as around the escape area and you will notice the metal is unfinished there and shows some machining. Once it's been cleaned up and sandblasted it will look even more awesome! Be patient, we are getting there.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 14 August 2015, 22:56:01
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:18:19
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:19:31
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This is so beautiful...
Is there any chance half-plates might be available? ;D
Really no need for a half plate with switch cutouts :p but if thats really your style then you could always produce one yourself!
I bet jack at ortholinear would be down to help out :thumb:
Post by: tuantruong on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:27:21
I feel sorry for my wallet. :pShow Image(http://puu.sh/jC2vd/937d93a4d9.jpg)
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:28:00
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:29:33
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:32:45
Grr tapatalk double post, sorry :(
replace it with a dank meme to make it up to me
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:42:55
Dank memes have been done. Took a bit of work since I am on mobileGrr tapatalk double post, sorry :(
replace it with a dank meme to make it up to me
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 14 August 2015, 23:46:39
Post by: E3E on Sat, 15 August 2015, 00:28:20
Post by: Jokrik on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:40:52
#HYPE dat moment when you find that what you saw is what you'll getShow Image(http://puu.sh/jC2vd/937d93a4d9.jpg)
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sat, 15 August 2015, 02:50:26
2dank4me
So dank. ^-^
Post by: Armagedda on Sat, 15 August 2015, 04:51:17
Might pick up both the shirt and jumper to be honest.
Can anyone confirm the level of quality of these tee spring shirts/jumpers and provide a comparison or even RL pics of similar products purchased from them.
I'd just like to make sure they aren't selling crap.
And what are the sizes like? Accurate? Are they fat sizes eg. L is more like XL?
I don't mean to take this off topic but I'm sure I'm not the only curious party.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 15 August 2015, 07:04:40
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 09:51:02
I'm actually in the market for a new jumper and it's surprisingly hard to find nice, plain ones locally here.
Might pick up both the shirt and jumper to be honest.
Can anyone confirm the level of quality of these tee spring shirts/jumpers and provide a comparison or even RL pics of similar products purchased from them.
I'd just like to make sure they aren't selling crap.
And what are the sizes like? Accurate? Are they fat sizes eg. L is more like XL?
I don't mean to take this off topic but I'm sure I'm not the only curious party.
I have funded teesprings in the past and the shirts and sweatshirts were super nice. I'm sure you can find some other opinions just Google searching as well.
Doc are the estimate still more or less accurate to what the final cost will be $400ish as I have check and can get this but just wanted to check it's still looking around that price :) if so am I okay just to plop a preorder still for one of the non 57 onesI am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 15 August 2015, 10:01:54
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 15 August 2015, 10:02:20
I'm actually in the market for a new jumper and it's surprisingly hard to find nice, plain ones locally here.
Might pick up both the shirt and jumper to be honest.
Can anyone confirm the level of quality of these tee spring shirts/jumpers and provide a comparison or even RL pics of similar products purchased from them.
I'd just like to make sure they aren't selling crap.
And what are the sizes like? Accurate? Are they fat sizes eg. L is more like XL?
I don't mean to take this off topic but I'm sure I'm not the only curious party.
My wife works in shop that makes these all the time and I actually called Teesprings about the shirts. The t-shirts are a soft cotton and will shrink a little if put in a dryer so either hang dry them on a hanger or go up a size. I'm going to do both because I'm fat. :-[ The hoodies will not shrink and the sizing is accurate. Both are good quality, ccotton just shrinks.
Post by: Fire Brand on Sat, 15 August 2015, 10:36:22
I am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.Okay awesome I shall wait till monday :)
Post by: Data on Sat, 15 August 2015, 10:48:34
I am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.
Note: now that this amazing prototype is making the rounds, your order quantity may exceed 100... assuming you're still willing to expand the group buy to meed demand. That may affect order prices. Just a thought...
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:03:49
I am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.
Note: now that this amazing prototype is making the rounds, your order quantity may exceed 100... assuming you're still willing to expand the group buy to meed demand. That may affect order prices. Just a thought...
Im still very shaky about doing that though. I don't want to devalue the secondary market for the Mira just to boost units. I will balance the options when that times comes and will be sure to check with everyone who pre-ordered to make sure they are okay with increasing the number produced (assuming units over 100 are not numbered).
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:08:56
edit: agreeing with user 18 below
Post by: user 18 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 11:41:08
Post by: katushkin on Sat, 15 August 2015, 12:26:57
Personally, I don't care about secondary market value, as my board will not be sold. Reducing the purchase price is very attractive to me.
Exclusivity shouldn't be a reason to not drop the purchase price. It's kind of a **** move, especially if all the 100 places are taken already.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 12:48:50
Personally, I don't care about secondary market value, as my board will not be sold. Reducing the purchase price is very attractive to me.
Exclusivity shouldn't be a reason to not drop the purchase price. It's kind of a **** move, especially if all the 100 places are taken already.
Well its not just my decision is what Im saying. Some people care very much about exclusivity and their opinion matters just as much. I will also say that all 100 spots have not been taken. Im just trying to be considerate and fare.
Also realize that I have to package, ship, and potentially solder all these boards! Thats a huge time commitment and im not sure I can handle 150 units :confused:
Post by: sethk_ on Sat, 15 August 2015, 13:04:51
I know that hojin has options of presoldering, but that might not apply to your PCBs. If for some reason you don't have enough time for any soldering I would be willing to help in order to take the load off of your hands :)Personally, I don't care about secondary market value, as my board will not be sold. Reducing the purchase price is very attractive to me.
Exclusivity shouldn't be a reason to not drop the purchase price. It's kind of a **** move, especially if all the 100 places are taken already.
Well its not just my decision is what Im saying. Some people care very much about exclusivity and their opinion matters just as much. I will also say that all 100 spots have not been taken. Im just trying to be considerate and fare.
Also realize that I have to package, ship, and potentially solder all these boards! Thats a huge time commitment and im not sure I can handle 150 units :confused:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 13:26:10
I know that hojin has options of presoldering, but that might not apply to your PCBs. If for some reason you don't have enough time for any soldering I would be willing to help in order to take the load off of your hands :)Personally, I don't care about secondary market value, as my board will not be sold. Reducing the purchase price is very attractive to me.
Exclusivity shouldn't be a reason to not drop the purchase price. It's kind of a **** move, especially if all the 100 places are taken already.
Well its not just my decision is what Im saying. Some people care very much about exclusivity and their opinion matters just as much. I will also say that all 100 spots have not been taken. Im just trying to be considerate and fare.
Also realize that I have to package, ship, and potentially solder all these boards! Thats a huge time commitment and im not sure I can handle 150 units :confused:
I apreciate the offer, I will let you know.
also TO THE PEOPLE WHO FOR THE BOX THAT SAID: GH, Reddit, or Deskthority username , PUT "Geekhack" PLEASE UPDATE YOUR FORM :p
Post by: chilldude_22 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:18:36
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 22:57:28
(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:02:34
If you hadn't had enough hype...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
36....
Where is 36????
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sat, 15 August 2015, 23:07:07
If you hadn't had enough hype...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
36....
Where is 36????
It's just hidden under the others :)) it's going to be okay
Post by: aznairjordan on Sun, 16 August 2015, 03:07:50
If you hadn't had enough hype...Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
Soon.. If you could send me the 23.. That would be great :)
Post by: Fire Brand on Sun, 16 August 2015, 10:00:14
If you hadn't had enough hype...Frostytoast is buying a lot of Mira keyboards xDShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 16 August 2015, 10:30:01
IM OFFICIALLY STUCK ON CAPS LOCK CAUSE IM SO EXCITED. LOOK AT DIS FOLKS
#THEHYPEISREAAAAAAALShow Image(http://puu.sh/jBGkA/43e51431cc.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jBGlV/8260c618cc.jpg)
okay i have calmed down a bit... obviously its unfinished e.g. no blasting or anodizing but boy is it pretty :eek:
This looks amazing, I am so looking forward to this board.
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 16 August 2015, 19:18:06
If you hadn't had enough hype...Frostytoast is buying a lot of Mira keyboards xDShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/Iogjzyg.jpg)
Well I just wanted to get the best chance at my number as possible.
Post by: rpeterclark on Sun, 16 August 2015, 21:18:44
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 16 August 2015, 22:40:00
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:02:50
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:08:42
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
I'll ignore your rather aggressive tone, since I'm not sure what about that statement made you so angry.
I think it's rather fair for me to ask that people for now lay off this shop that for all intensive purposes doesn't do productions runs this small. If you have a problem with that you can talk to me directly, cause I don't need Ninjadoc to know what constitutes a sound decision for the sanity of everyone involved.
Post by: meiosis on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:13:16
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
I'll ignore your rather aggressive tone, since I'm not sure what about that statement made you so angry.
I think it's rather fair for me to ask that people for now lay off this shop that for all intensive purposes doesn't do productions runs his small regularly. If you have a problem with that you can talk to me directly, cause I don't need Ninjadoc to know what constitutes a sound decision for the sanity of everyone involved.
As a friend of ninjadoc who talked to him quite often, I feel you don't respect what exactly he has done for you. Rather then "partner" up to make more money off of people, why don't you stick to your word like assembling hwoods board instead of delaying it for two weeks without even messaging him, rather then pretending to be a saint, why don't you just pay respects to who they are due, rather than pretend nothing can happen without you. Aggressive tone? Why don't you be more thankful that he found the place for you rather then monetizing it?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:19:48
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
I'll ignore your rather aggressive tone, since I'm not sure what about that statement made you so angry.
I think it's rather fair for me to ask that people for now lay off this shop that for all intensive purposes doesn't do productions runs his small regularly. If you have a problem with that you can talk to me directly, cause I don't need Ninjadoc to know what constitutes a sound decision for the sanity of everyone involved.
As a friend of ninjadoc who talked to him quite often, I feel you don't respect what exactly he has done for you. Rather then "partner" up to make more money off of people, why don't you stick to your word like assembling hwoods board instead of delaying it for two weeks without even messaging him, rather then pretending to be a saint, why don't you just pay respects to who they are due, rather then pretend nothing can happen without you. Aggressive tone? Why don't you be more thankful that he found the place for you rather then monetizing it?
I'm not even going to address most of this cause I think it's just plain obnoxious. But if you think I'm attempting to monetize anything here your sadly mistaken. I will be making almost nothing off the Mira and any partnership that I would do with someone else through this shop would just be to help set things up. I helped Hwood with his cf lx, I have already created many parts and pieces for an upcoming Virgo board for frosty toast. And did I ask for any monetary gain? No. I have offered many times to many people to help work with them in CAD and even provided free assembly services for quite a few people.
I have never pretended to be a saint, but when you say I don't appreciate the people who helped with this project I take it personally. I put their freaking name on the weight on every freaking board. Is that not a sign of gratitude.
I don't get what you and your posy want from me but it certainly isn't anything human, cause humans make mistakes.
Post by: Jokrik on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:26:36
Not this thread, not this gb, not this time
I find too much dramas lately in geekhack gb/ic , let's just be hype of one second here and not pointing fingers
I'm talking in general here for the sake of all of us, the community
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:28:10
So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
I'll ignore your rather aggressive tone, since I'm not sure what about that statement made you so angry.
I think it's rather fair for me to ask that people for now lay off this shop that for all intensive purposes doesn't do productions runs his small regularly. If you have a problem with that you can talk to me directly, cause I don't need Ninjadoc to know what constitutes a sound decision for the sanity of everyone involved.
As a friend of ninjadoc who talked to him quite often, I feel you don't respect what exactly he has done for you. Rather then "partner" up to make more money off of people, why don't you stick to your word like assembling hwoods board instead of delaying it for two weeks without even messaging him, rather then pretending to be a saint, why don't you just pay respects to who they are due, rather then pretend nothing can happen without you. Aggressive tone? Why don't you be more thankful that he found the place for you rather then monetizing it?
What the **** is happening in here?
First off, what the hell does Hwood's keyboard have to do with the organization of this group buy? That is an entirely separate matter.
Hubble did indeed credit Ninjadoc by having his name engraved on the Mira weights as well as printed on the letters. I don't know how else he was repaid, however I know that other contributors such as Zeal and I have been treated more than fairly by DrHubblePhD.
I find it amusing how you chastise Hubble for his "unfair" gratitude of Ninjadoc while not showing recognition for Hubble's work.
In what way is he pretending that nothing can happen without Hubble? It's blatantly obvious that this would not have existed in the first place without his work.
It is without question in poor taste to scorn someone for monetizing their own work; this is what seems to be happening here.
You have no idea how much time and effort this man has put into this project. Do you really expect him to do this for free?
For god's sake you can at least show some gratitude for one's efforts by giving them your patronage.
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:35:29
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:40:24
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:43:10
Alright, I don't know what prompted any of this, but it does not belong in this thread. If there's a beef with the GB organizer failing to deliver previous promises that you want to bring to light due to relevance with running a GB, that's one thing, and should be handled by the customer in question. All other topics brought up thus far do not seem to be relevant and are threadcrapping. Any further posts of this nature will be removed if the OP requests it, and offenders may be warned.
Thanks Hoff and moderators.
This made me miss the 1000th comment :( :'(
Post by: romevi on Mon, 17 August 2015, 00:53:54
1000th comment!So, what manufacturer ended up producing the case? It could be a great resource for US based projects having a manufacturer with experience in custom keyboard cases. I'm sure many would appreciate the info!
Unfortunately I can't reveal who the manufacturer is. They have been already gracious enough to accept such a strange order and I would hate for them to get flooded with half serious requests from the keyboard community. If anyone would really like to use the same shop they can contact me and maybe we can partner up to get it made!
Alright why don't you leave that up to ninjadoc, who did the searching for you, to decide.
I'll ignore your rather aggressive tone, since I'm not sure what about that statement made you so angry.
I think it's rather fair for me to ask that people for now lay off this shop that for all intensive purposes doesn't do productions runs his small regularly. If you have a problem with that you can talk to me directly, cause I don't need Ninjadoc to know what constitutes a sound decision for the sanity of everyone involved.
As a friend of ninjadoc who talked to him quite often, I feel you don't respect what exactly he has done for you. Rather then "partner" up to make more money off of people, why don't you stick to your word like assembling hwoods board instead of delaying it for two weeks without even messaging him, rather then pretending to be a saint, why don't you just pay respects to who they are due, rather then pretend nothing can happen without you. Aggressive tone? Why don't you be more thankful that he found the place for you rather then monetizing it?
What the **** is happening in here?
First off, what the hell does Hwood's keyboard have to do with the organization of this group buy? That is an entirely separate matter.
Hubble did indeed credit Ninjadoc by having his name engraved on the Mira weights as well as printed on the letters. I don't know how else he was repaid, however I know that other contributors such as Zeal and I have been treated more than fairly by DrHubblePhD.
I find it amusing how you chastise Hubble for his "unfair" gratitude of Ninjadoc while not showing recognition for Hubble's work.
In what way is he pretending that nothing can happen without Hubble? It's blatantly obvious that this would not have existed in the first place without his work.
It is without question in poor taste to scorn someone for monetizing their own work; this is what seems to be happening here.
You have no idea how much time and effort this man has put into this project. Do you really expect him to do this for free?
For god's sake you can at least show some gratitude for one's efforts by giving them your patronage.
Post by: Armagedda on Mon, 17 August 2015, 05:18:34
Hopefully teespring delivers good products, looks like they will.
By the way, minimum HAS been reached for anyone who was waiting to order until then.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 09:24:58
Well on a more positive note, I bit the bullet and bought into the hype swag. I could really use a nice new jumper and tee.
Hopefully teespring delivers good products, looks like they will.
By the way, minimum HAS been reached for anyone who was waiting to order until then.
Awesome, I'm pumped to get my Mira swag as well!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 10:40:01
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 10:47:20
Post by: joey on Mon, 17 August 2015, 10:51:39
Forget everything that happened cause Im about to blow your mind with (mostly) finished proto photos...I'm ready to be blown :thumb:
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 17 August 2015, 11:30:22
Forget everything that happened cause Im about to blow your mind with (mostly) finished proto photos...I'm ready to be blown :thumb:
Furiously waiting on imminent mind explosion!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 12:28:52
(http://i.imgur.com/KlQVwqEh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/SQ4px0hh.jpg)
Still not in my possession, but it looks like our contact likes the look of the Mira on his desk :))
Hasn't been anodized or anything but it already looks great. Let me know what you think about just getting a clear coat on the proto since it was going to be anodized silver anyways :p
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 12:29:29
Edit: didnt see the last part. :D I think it looks great the way it is.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 12:45:26
(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothing
(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Post by: Fire Brand on Mon, 17 August 2015, 12:52:16
More shots of it in piecesDr you owe me a new pair of pants with all these picture .¬.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Also anyword on final pricing yet? And a question I keep meaning to ask if you have winkey blockers does that change the entire bottom row to a odd layout or require a different kit when getting keysets?
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:15:29
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kfxyKH0h.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KlQVwqEh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SQ4px0hh.jpg)
Still not in my possession, but it looks like our contact likes the look of the Mira on his desk :))
Hasn't been anodized or anything but it already looks great. Let me know what you think about just getting a clear coat on the proto since it was going to be anodized silver anyways :p
(http://i.imgur.com/8QDUDzk.gif)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:18:17
More shots of it in piecesDr you owe me a new pair of pants with all these picture .¬.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Also anyword on final pricing yet? And a question I keep meaning to ask if you have winkey blockers does that change the entire bottom row to a odd layout or require a different kit when getting keysets?
Makes the bottom row
1.5u - blocker - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - blocker - 1.5u
If I'm not mistaken
So you'd have to get, what.. A Tsangan kit, so you can get those keys
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:19:20
More shots of it in piecesDr you owe me a new pair of pants with all these picture .¬.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Also anyword on final pricing yet? And a question I keep meaning to ask if you have winkey blockers does that change the entire bottom row to a odd layout or require a different kit when getting keysets?
Makes the bottom row
1.5u - blocker - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - blocker - 1.5u
If I'm not mistaken
So you'd have to get, what.. A Tsangan kit, so you can get those keys
I'm still hoping there'll be an option for ANSI125 full bottom row.
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:21:28
More shots of it in piecesDr you owe me a new pair of pants with all these picture .¬.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Also anyword on final pricing yet? And a question I keep meaning to ask if you have winkey blockers does that change the entire bottom row to a odd layout or require a different kit when getting keysets?
Makes the bottom row
1.5u - blocker - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - blocker - 1.5u
If I'm not mistaken
So you'd have to get, what.. A Tsangan kit, so you can get those keys
I'm still hoping there'll be an option for ANSI125 full bottom row.
Looks like there is from the plate and PCB, the prototype case just had to be one or the other.
Post by: Fire Brand on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:21:37
ahh right thankyou, I just always worry about it well at least thats usually offered more than iso :xMore shots of it in piecesDr you owe me a new pair of pants with all these picture .¬.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGdh.jpg)
You can see the weight still needs some touch ups and smoothingShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/QKAq12mh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/qJZ8ybnh.jpg)
Also anyword on final pricing yet? And a question I keep meaning to ask if you have winkey blockers does that change the entire bottom row to a odd layout or require a different kit when getting keysets?
Makes the bottom row
1.5u - blocker - 1.5u - 7u - 1.5u - blocker - 1.5u
If I'm not mistaken
So you'd have to get, what.. A Tsangan kit, so you can get those keys
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:38:19
Do you mean clear powdercoating for clear coat? Not anodizing? If you are trying to save money, that could work, although anodizing would be overall neater and more durable. Plus you'd preserve that nice satiny cool metal feel. Is this the case you'll end up keeping for yourself or are you going after Case #1? If the former, you should decide what you want yourself :)
P.S.: I've been staring at various anodizing dye colors. I keep thinking about something like rose gold or light shade of cold reddish brown (kind of like muted copper without a strong orange shade). Something neutral and light that will go with a lot of sets but is not a silver, a gray, a black, or a bright saturated neon color.
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 August 2015, 13:48:54
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:23:32
(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOlh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UcNt52zh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7EaGs8Hh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MET1DtRh.jpg)
Post by: KatzenKinder on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:25:00
And right when you thought you were safe from hype... BOOMShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOlh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UcNt52zh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7EaGs8Hh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MET1DtRh.jpg)
OOO ****
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:25:13
Post by: joey on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:35:37
Post by: CPTBadAss on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:36:16
I've complied all the posts with pictures so far. Would be great to see these in the 2nd post instead of scattered in the ends of the thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1834284#msg1834284
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837607#msg1837607
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837522#msg1837522
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837497#msg1837497
Post by: Data on Mon, 17 August 2015, 14:41:41
And right when you thought you were safe from hype... BOOMShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/k3CoVOlh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/UcNt52zh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/7EaGs8Hh.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MET1DtRh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Zw0jsKU.gif)
Post by: cmadrid on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:06:22
Shots are looking good. Excited to see a fit check of the PCB and plate. And getting bummed that I won't be able to pick one up.
I've complied all the posts with pictures so far. Would be great to see these in the 2nd post instead of scattered in the ends of the thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1834284#msg1834284
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837607#msg1837607
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837522#msg1837522
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837497#msg1837497
Wishing I could get one too! My son is too expensive >_<
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:20:12
There is such a thing as clear anodizing. :cool:
Clear anodizing would be anodizing and not using any color dye. So yes, in that respect. A basic silver anodized surface.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 15:34:32
Shots are looking good. Excited to see a fit check of the PCB and plate. And getting bummed that I won't be able to pick one up.Thanks for compiling those for me, I will add all the photos in the 1st reply in the thread when I get to my computer at home. :thumb:
I've complied all the posts with pictures so far. Would be great to see these in the 2nd post instead of scattered in the ends of the thread.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1834284#msg1834284
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837607#msg1837607
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837522#msg1837522
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1837497#msg1837497
Post by: Bucky on Mon, 17 August 2015, 16:43:55
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:21:29
I checked the first post and didn't see anything, but the final cost of this hasn't been finalized, correct?
Not yet, this is the latest update I saw:
Doc are the estimate still more or less accurate to what the final cost will be $400ish as I have check and can get this but just wanted to check it's still looking around that price :) if so am I okay just to plop a preorder still for one of the non 57 onesI am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:45:16
I checked the first post and didn't see anything, but the final cost of this hasn't been finalized, correct?
Not yet, this is the latest update I saw:Doc are the estimate still more or less accurate to what the final cost will be $400ish as I have check and can get this but just wanted to check it's still looking around that price :) if so am I okay just to plop a preorder still for one of the non 57 onesI am going to call them on Monday to talk to them about that. Last time I mentioned my target price they told me it was likely that I would hit it.
I asked my contact about pricing and he said he really needed to crunch some numbers to come up with an accurate figure. What I can say though is that he knows my target price is $400 including the cost for me to offer the PCB and stabs and he thinks we can make it work. So what I am willing to say, for anyone on the fence is that the MAXIMUM PRICE, meaning I expect to come in under this number, will be $440-450. I think anywhere between $400 and $420 is a reasonable estimate given the costs. Again, I am hardly making anything here, so what your getting from me is essentially the BOM cost which is non-negotiable, since I have no plan of losing money from this buy.
Post by: Bucky on Mon, 17 August 2015, 18:49:27
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:14:43
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:44:11
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:52:44
I'm in it to win it!
If you ain't first, you're last.
Hubble, do you have a better idea of the assortment of colors you'll likely offer or is that all still up in the air?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:54:56
I'm in it to win it!
If you ain't first, you're last.
Hubble, do you have a better idea of the assortment of colors you'll likely offer or is that all still up in the air?
I think given the order count there should be no problem getting at least 3 colors produced. That said, I think silver is the perfect color already :))
Ill likely take another poll after I receive the board anodized to see what colors people want having seeing the proto.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 19:56:38
Silver is always good though
Post by: filphil on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:01:25
Post by: njbair on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:04:37
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:09:01
Post by: njbair on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:11:55
What's the total mass of cast + weight + plate?
I obviously don't have your answer, but just pointing out that the case wasn't cast but milled. This actually matters for strength and precision.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:12:19
What's the total mass of cast + weight + plate?
I honestly don't know, ninjadoc is going to go and see it tomorrow though so hopefully he can report back an estimate :thumb:
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:16:09
What's the total mass of cast + weight + plate?
I obviously don't have your answer, but just pointing out that the case wasn't cast but milled. This actually matters for strength and precision.
Fo sho. Milled >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Cast.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:27:37
Cyan! Cyan! Cyan!
Silver is always good though
Dark grey!!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:36:18
Save it for the official poll boys :))Cyan! Cyan! Cyan!
Silver is always good though
Dark grey!!
Post by: sethk_ on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:45:09
Post by: Sed8op8 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:52:55
kk but so much this grey to stayCyan! Cyan! Cyan!
Silver is always good though
Dark grey!!
Post by: jonathanyu on Mon, 17 August 2015, 20:58:10
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 17 August 2015, 22:43:18
Totally off topic but if you guys are into space and things along those lines you should check out the book "seveneves" by Neal Stephenson - almost finished it and it is fantastic
Post by: theanyday on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:36:13
In terms of theme I think a nasa blue color would look great
I NEED the NASA blue! :-X
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:50:23
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:51:25
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 17 August 2015, 23:57:05
I'm in it to win it!
If you ain't first, you're last.
Hubble, do you have a better idea of the assortment of colors you'll likely offer or is that all still up in the air?
I think given the order count there should be no problem getting at least 3 colors produced. That said, I think silver is the perfect color already :))
Ill likely take another poll after I receive the board anodized to see what colors people want having seeing the proto.
Sounds great! I'll probably go with a silver/dark grey anyway, but I was just curious.
Cyan! Cyan! Cyan!I like teal/cyan, but I don't think I'm bold enough to get a kb in cyan. :)) I like it more when used for accent coloring.
Silver is always good though
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:00:41
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
Intl people who have pre ordered might be in the first group, would potentially still be waiting for it to turn up.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:01:25
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
Intl people who have pre ordered might be in the first group, would potentially still be waiting for it to turn up.
True true.
But there has been at least one person who has received theirs.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:08:23
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
Intl people who have pre ordered might be in the first group, would potentially still be waiting for it to turn up.
True true.
But there has been at least one person who has received theirs.
I know that quite a few people have gotten theirs. I just sent out 30 more envelopes today so your bound to get yours soon! :thumb:
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:20:16
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
Intl people who have pre ordered might be in the first group, would potentially still be waiting for it to turn up.
True true.
But there has been at least one person who has received theirs.
I know that quite a few people have gotten theirs. I just sent out 30 more envelopes today so your bound to get yours soon! :thumb:
Where does these letters comes from again? I submitted my form at the exact time and missed both first and 2nd choices. Not a deal breaker, tbh. Hopefully, I'm in the 2nd batch. :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 18 August 2015, 00:29:06
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
Intl people who have pre ordered might be in the first group, would potentially still be waiting for it to turn up.
True true.
But there has been at least one person who has received theirs.
I know that quite a few people have gotten theirs. I just sent out 30 more envelopes today so your bound to get yours soon! :thumb:
Where does these letters comes from again? I submitted my form at the exact time and missed both first and 2nd choices. Not a deal breaker, tbh. Hopefully, I'm in the 2nd batch. :)
I just sent yours today ;)
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 18 August 2015, 01:06:35
pink+1000
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 18 August 2015, 01:10:19
Someone has. Number 7 I think. Or 5. Either way, someone has, since the first 15(?) were shipped out a while back
hm, i was in the first 15 afaik and never got one. maybe it was just in the next batch :D
Post by: tribade on Tue, 18 August 2015, 02:17:36
Thanks for all the work you've put into this board! It must be amazing to be seeing it come to fruition!
Post by: keikun17 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 05:44:29
Post by: archer on Tue, 18 August 2015, 08:11:13
1.25u blocker 1.25u 6.25u 1.25u blocker 1.25u 1.25u ?
Post by: Elth on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:05:19
Quick question... since the winkeyless just features blockers over the winkeys, that would make the bottom row like this right?It would be 1.5u blocker 1.5u 7u space 1.5u blocker 1.5u
1.25u blocker 1.25u 6.25u 1.25u blocker 1.25u 1.25u ?
There's a spot in the plate where the right 1.25u Alt key would go that allows for the stabilizer to be there.
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:05:49
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 18 August 2015, 09:13:42
Post by: limitz on Tue, 18 August 2015, 12:53:14
I submitted at 9:00:02, so really hoping I get my top choice (42). I
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 18 August 2015, 15:07:12
Can't wait for my letter.You're far from the only one hoping to get #42. ;D I doubt I'll get it, but I'll be happy knowing whoever winds up with it will appreciate its significance. Realistically, I'd be happy to get any of my top 3 numbers.
I submitted at 9:00:02, so really hoping I get my top choice (42). I
Post by: Elth on Tue, 18 August 2015, 15:37:12
(http://memecrunch.com/meme/1GR4P/hurry-up-and-take-my-money/image.png)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 18 August 2015, 15:51:52
Hey reddit ;)
Post by: keikun17 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 20:12:47
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 18 August 2015, 20:48:53
Also I was thinking... I'm assuming most people here are going to be using Cherry profile keys for this board and Hubble mentioned possibly getting a keycap set to go with it... I was thinking, JT Keycaps - the manufacturer working with CTRL[ALT] does custom legends on doubleshot thick cherry profile keys - maybe we could design a mod set or a series of novelty caps that go with the MIRA theme - maybe they could be a NASA or SpaceX logo or something? What do you guys think?
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Post by: Data on Tue, 18 August 2015, 20:50:13
Just got back from Japan to this in the mail! :D
Also I was thinking... I'm assuming most people here are going to be using Cherry profile keys for this board and Hubble mentioned possibly getting a keycap set to go with it... I was thinking, JT Keycaps - the manufacturer working with CTRL[ALT] does custom legends on doubleshot thick cherry profile keys - maybe we could design a mod set or a series of novelty caps that go with the MIRA theme - maybe they could be a NASA or SpaceX logo or something? What do you guys think?
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Make it so.
Also congrats on the number.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 18 August 2015, 20:50:25
I know it's probably not there, but i should check the mailbox for my letter!
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 18 August 2015, 21:39:16
Just got back from Japan to this in the mail! :D
Also I was thinking... I'm assuming most people here are going to be using Cherry profile keys for this board and Hubble mentioned possibly getting a keycap set to go with it... I was thinking, JT Keycaps - the manufacturer working with CTRL[ALT] does custom legends on doubleshot thick cherry profile keys - maybe we could design a mod set or a series of novelty caps that go with the MIRA theme - maybe they could be a NASA or SpaceX logo or something? What do you guys think?
(Attachment Link)
Make it so.
Also congrats on the number.
Thanks man! I might do some mockups later on potential designs
Post by: SuperBo on Wed, 19 August 2015, 00:32:56
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 19 August 2015, 20:15:31
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Post by: romevi on Thu, 20 August 2015, 00:23:30
Got my Letter Today!!
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Ee-gerd! That was my second-choice number! Let's hope I get my first as I haven't seen it yet. Third would be fine, but not as good as first or second.
Post by: CPTBadAss on Thu, 20 August 2015, 08:27:06
Wired's article (http://www.wired.com/2015/08/nasas-logo-70s-ridiculously-cool/)
Display's Article (http://www.thisisdisplay.org/features/the_nasa_design_program/)
NASA Graphics Standards Manual (https://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisdisplay/sets/72157627467855309)
Forgive me if this has already been covered.
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:36:27
For those who are hype and want something else to read to hold them over, here's some reading I found about the old NASA logo which I believe served as the inspiration of the Mira font.Wow, that's cool. I never knew NASA had a logo change. They went back the meatball logo when I was but a wee child, so that's the design I've always known. And I had a childhood friend whose parents works for NASA...but it never came up.
Wired's article (http://www.wired.com/2015/08/nasas-logo-70s-ridiculously-cool/)
Display's Article (http://www.thisisdisplay.org/features/the_nasa_design_program/)
NASA Graphics Standards Manual (https://www.flickr.com/photos/thisisdisplay/sets/72157627467855309)
Forgive me if this has already been covered.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 20 August 2015, 11:53:54
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 20 August 2015, 12:01:47
There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Should people like me not in the first 57 also expect letters in the mail soon?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 20 August 2015, 18:28:10
There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Should people like me not in the first 57 also expect letters in the mail soon?
Unfortunately things just got a lot more difficult for me in terms of printing and such so it may be a bit. They will come eventually though!
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 20 August 2015, 20:31:38
There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Should people like me not in the first 57 also expect letters in the mail soon?
Unfortunately things just got a lot more difficult for me in terms of printing and such so it may be a bit. They will come eventually though!
Awesome, thanks...
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 20 August 2015, 21:01:12
Post by: kaminbobby on Fri, 21 August 2015, 08:55:24
Post by: Elth on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:09:22
I'm not sure if this has been answered before but, how steep is the angle?
Mira currently features:
- The custom b.Mira PCB from Winkeyless featuring his standard reprogramability functions and LED support, only controller parts will be pre-soldered (see below for more info)
- An engraved stainless Steel weight, slotted in the back of the case
- A full aluminum case
- 9 degree incline
- A SS or alu plate which will support both 87 and 84 (Winkeyless with built in blockers, not shown above)
- Gold plated stabilizer wire and cherry stabs for the first 57 buyers and standard wire for remaining purchases
Post by: kaminbobby on Fri, 21 August 2015, 09:13:03
I'm not sure if this has been answered before but, how steep is the angle?
Mira currently features:
- The custom b.Mira PCB from Winkeyless featuring his standard reprogramability functions and LED support, only controller parts will be pre-soldered (see below for more info)
- An engraved stainless Steel weight, slotted in the back of the case
- A full aluminum case
- 9 degree incline
- A SS or alu plate which will support both 87 and 84 (Winkeyless with built in blockers, not shown above)
- Gold plated stabilizer wire and cherry stabs for the first 57 buyers and standard wire for remaining purchases
Swear to god i read it through multiple times, thanks :)
Post by: filphil on Fri, 21 August 2015, 15:08:41
Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 21 August 2015, 16:27:25
There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Does this means that the number we received in mail is 1 less than what we actually got?
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 21 August 2015, 20:58:30
There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Does this means that the number we received in mail is 1 less than what we actually got?
No, it just means a couple, which I think i have already isolated may be wrong. Unless I contact you you're good! :thumb:
Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 21 August 2015, 21:02:29
Ok. Thanks.There were apparently a few errors in my letters. If you got #11 please contact me. Once everyone gets a letter I'll pose my spreadsheet with the numbering so that everyone can conform.
Does this means that the number we received in mail is 1 less than what we actually got?
No, it just means a couple, which I think i have already isolated may be wrong. Unless I contact you you're good! :thumb:
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/08/21/6fec32489400ca051c2ae16320bb8957.jpg)
Post by: lol on Fri, 21 August 2015, 22:53:36
Pretty surprised I didn't get any of my choices. Then again, I don't even remember what they were so hopefully someone got them that actually wanted them.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 21 August 2015, 23:03:12
lolShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/jRv3KWB.jpg)
Pretty surprised I didn't get any of my choices. Then again, I don't even remember what they were so hopefully someone got them that actually wanted them.
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 21 August 2015, 23:41:59
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 21 August 2015, 23:42:47
Woot Woot! I received my letter today!
Lol, thanks iOS
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 21 August 2015, 23:47:00
Cool to see what numbers everyone is getting though! Hype
Post by: icyskyz on Sat, 22 August 2015, 16:43:34
Post by: romevi on Sat, 22 August 2015, 18:34:18
Only bummer is I didn't get any of my choices and I thought I submitted quickly enough. (Incidentally, my number is one away from my top choice.)
Who took my 27?!
Post by: adamski07 on Sat, 22 August 2015, 19:07:27
Got mine! Yay! I'm part of the 57!
Only bummer is I didn't get any of my choices and I thought I submitted quickly enough. (In fact, my number is one away from my top choice.)
Who took my 27?!
lol. I didn't get any of my top 3 as well and I submitted at the exact opening time. Mine's close to my top 3 tho.
Post by: theanyday on Sat, 22 August 2015, 21:37:02
Post by: flopix on Sun, 23 August 2015, 04:55:49
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:15:35
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 23 August 2015, 10:28:10
Am I too late to the party?
You will get a number, just can't pick it, and it'll be above 57
Edit: Now I am questioning myself, will you get a number? Thought I read you will.
Post by: yuktsi on Sun, 23 August 2015, 11:18:32
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 23 August 2015, 11:30:55
Post by: flopix on Sun, 23 August 2015, 11:37:03
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 23 August 2015, 23:42:30
Post by: fi0x on Mon, 24 August 2015, 01:50:09
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On the other side...
HYPE
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and more hype
Keep up the great work DrHubble!
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Mon, 24 August 2015, 13:15:00
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 24 August 2015, 17:15:00
Didn't get any of my three picks for number but I'm mostly here for the gold stabs anyway :). Pretty happy to see the results of the color poll, looks like we'll get some good choices for anodizing!
Results?
Post by: filphil on Mon, 24 August 2015, 18:36:09
Didn't get any of my three picks for number but I'm mostly here for the gold stabs anyway :). Pretty happy to see the results of the color poll, looks like we'll get some good choices for anodizing!
Results?
Forreal
(http://www.clublexus.com/gallery/data/4740/brb-using-imagination.jpg)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Mon, 24 August 2015, 23:02:54
Hey Doc, at some point before manufacturing starts, will we get to see pics of anodized samples? Is another business/entity doing that work?
Yeah, the prototype will just be anodized silver but I am requesting samples of the other potential colors for people to see. From a design standpoint I think that Silver, Dark grey, and sky blue would work the best but thats obviously subject to change :thumb:
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:15:39
(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:40:42
Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:48:59
Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
You know what, I initially thought that and before I posted I reread it for clarity and completely overlooked it. :confused:
Super stoked on that as it saves me a little loot :p
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:51:19
Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
You know what, I initially thought that and before I posted I reread it for clarity and completely overlooked it. :confused:
Super stoked on that as it saves me a little loot :p
Confused me at first too. I was wondering tho if we could order extra Zealios from this GB as the one I ordered earlier is for different board. Like I said it could save me $15 from shipping fees.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:52:19
I must be blind and dumb and dumb and blind, but where is there an option to add Zealios to the Mira?Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
You know what, I initially thought that and before I posted I reread it for clarity and completely overlooked it. :confused:
Super stoked on that as it saves me a little loot
Post by: Elth on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:55:00
I must be blind and dumb and dumb and blind, but where is there an option to add Zealios to the Mira?Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
You know what, I initially thought that and before I posted I reread it for clarity and completely overlooked it. :confused:
Super stoked on that as it saves me a little loot
Facts about the potential group buy:
The Mira will be a limited run of 100 boards (hopefully with the unique number engraved). The first 57 boards that are reserved (after the number of years NASA has been operating) will come with gold stabs from ZealPC! The remaining orders will receive the same items but standard stabilizers. More from ZealPC as he unveils his secret item (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) expect this awesome item to be a part of the buy as well. The number of the board will be assigned in the order they are reserved, as a result, some sort of down payment will likely be required upon ordering. Ordering will start as soon as the Group Buy is posted at a preset date and time.
Saw it too, but too excited so I just went ahead and ordered some Zealios anyway. There will probably be an option to add them to the Mira at the time of the GB. /shrug
Post by: romevi on Tue, 25 August 2015, 17:55:59
Ah, yes. I see it now.I must be blind and dumb and dumb and blind, but where is there an option to add Zealios to the Mira?Just realized this doesn't actually come with "Zealios" and that I have to purchase those separately. :eek:Show Image(https://imgflip.com/readImage?iid=21680670)
It is part of this GB as its says in the OP. I am now thinking of cancelling my Zealios order just to save up the $15 shipping fee.
You know what, I initially thought that and before I posted I reread it for clarity and completely overlooked it. :confused:
Super stoked on that as it saves me a little lootQuoteFacts about the potential group buy:
The Mira will be a limited run of 100 boards (hopefully with the unique number engraved). The first 57 boards that are reserved (after the number of years NASA has been operating) will come with gold stabs from ZealPC! The remaining orders will receive the same items but standard stabilizers. More from ZealPC as he unveils his secret item (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=69590.0) expect this awesome item to be a part of the buy as well. The number of the board will be assigned in the order they are reserved, as a result, some sort of down payment will likely be required upon ordering. Ordering will start as soon as the Group Buy is posted at a preset date and time.
Saw it too, but too excited so I just went ahead and ordered some Zealios anyway. There will probably be an option to add them to the Mira at the time of the GB. /shrug
Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 18:03:24
"You can order extra Zealios with the Mira. From what DrHubble and I have been discussing, Mira orders will also be processed on my site. Though I still need to figure out a way to properly set it up (certain site limitations with adding an undesignated amount of switches to a combined drop down menu option)."
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:01:57
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:18:45
Will the pricing of the Zealios switches being sold in the GB be the same as on Zeal's site?
Yea I think you can only order for the group buy on the site.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:50:55
Will the pricing of the Zealios switches being sold in the GB be the same as on Zeal's site?
Yea I think you can only order for the group buy on the site.
Ah yea, i forgot it was going to be run through Zeal's site, so they'll be the same price haha.
Thanks.
Post by: theanyday on Tue, 25 August 2015, 19:53:08
For some of you wondering if we can order extra Zealios thru this GB, here's what ZealPC's reply to my question.
"You can order extra Zealios with the Mira. From what DrHubble and I have been discussing, Mira orders will also be processed on my site. Though I still need to figure out a way to properly set it up (certain site limitations with adding an undesignated amount of switches to a combined drop down menu option)."
Oh that would be nice, I might hold off then if we can save on shipping like that.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:11:17
I got tracking for my Mira swag :cool:
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:24:48
(http://i.imgur.com/MLy6VdV.jpg?1)
The number is cool too, I guess. But nothing beats love.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:38:02
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 25 August 2015, 20:39:04
HEY. that also reminds me. I've yet to receive mine :(
Kind of odd when I got mine through Int. mail. :/
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:13:52
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 25 August 2015, 21:58:38
But now we've got a mystery going here since aznairjordan hasn't gotten his either...
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 25 August 2015, 23:10:14
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 26 August 2015, 00:50:01
Post by: limitz on Wed, 26 August 2015, 09:15:49
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:14:26
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:21:42
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently I have been super busy with a wide variety of things.
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
Did he describe his powder coating? Is it like a Duracoat or Cerakote process? Because that would be awesome (and way, way better than even hard anodizing).
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:26:48
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently I have been super busy with a wide variety of things.
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
I guess for me, I would be interested in seeing how much more we would need to add for a powder coat. But it sounds like a cool feature to make our own unique board :)
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 26 August 2015, 10:49:42
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:09:42
Or how about PVD coatings? Those seem to be getting popular.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:11:15
#25. Sorry, too lazy to photograph an envelope.Didn't get any of my three picks for number but I'm mostly here for the gold stabs anyway :). Pretty happy to see the results of the color poll, looks like we'll get some good choices for anodizing!
Results?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 26 August 2015, 11:50:31
can we get a list of what the manufacturer can do? I am thinking metal flake.....
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:00:03
Would it be possible to see a sample of the powder coat? Anything they have done (doesn't have to be a keyboard) would be nice to get an idea of what it would look like. Cool option if it works!
It's be cool if the prototype was 1/2 anodized and 1/2 powder coated. I don't know much about either process though so it may not even be possible.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:10:51
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:22:11
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
I think there were two people who got their requests reserved, and FrostyToast was one of them. Could be wrong, though.
That said, I am a bit surprised I didn't get my first choice considering I didn't see it mentioned once in the thread, but, of course, that doesn't mean no one else picked it. I was given some hope when Hubbs mentioned that he was surprised how many people would be getting their top choice shortly after the submission form went up, but it seems here that not many are getting their numero unos after all.
My final number was one above my first choice, so if anyone who got 27 would be willing to trade for my 28, I'd greatly appreciate it! We'd have to facilitate the trade through Hubbs, of course.
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:28:16
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 26 August 2015, 12:31:52
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1000 times this. I figured my first choice (42) would be popular. My second choice (13) got sweetheart dealed out, and I didn't get my third choice. Apparently, 42 was on double secret reserve too? A lot of buildup with times and dates of form acceptance to have the chance to play the serial number lottery, and in the end, none of it mattered.
Post by: theanyday on Wed, 26 August 2015, 13:51:42
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1000 times this. I figured my first choice (42) would be popular. My second choice (13) got sweetheart dealed out, and I didn't get my third choice. Apparently, 42 was on double secret reserve too? A lot of buildup with times and dates of form acceptance to have the chance to play the serial number lottery, and in the end, none of it mattered.
13 was my first choice but I was definitely late to order not that that would have mattered for me I guess. Really should have thought out my 2nd and 3rd choices a bit better tho I guess. iuno
There can't not be drama, drama is life.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 26 August 2015, 14:11:45
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1000 times this. I figured my first choice (42) would be popular. My second choice (13) got sweetheart dealed out, and I didn't get my third choice. Apparently, 42 was on double secret reserve too? A lot of buildup with times and dates of form acceptance to have the chance to play the serial number lottery, and in the end, none of it mattered.
13 was my first choice but I was definitely late to order not that that would have mattered for me I guess. Really should have thought out my 2nd and 3rd choices a bit better tho I guess. iuno
There can't not be drama, drama is life.
I don't think it's about drama at all. There was just a lot of excitement for the GB, and since the time "mattered", a lot of people took that seriously and to heart. Not only did I set an alarm, but I also changed dinner plans that night with friends, just so I could be absolutely sure I was next to my computer.
However now it turns out that it really was "pick any number up to 57... *Except for 13 and 14... **And also 42", which again, is fine if we were told up front. Of course people are going to feel a little bit down now because it turns out the process wasn't as straightforward or transparent as any of us believed.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 14:14:00
Also, I go back to what I said previously. I'd want to know how the numbers were assigned. Were they given out as orders came in? Or was everyone taken into account and then distributed accordingly.
I'm sure this will be revealed eventually
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 August 2015, 15:07:19
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1000 times this. I figured my first choice (42) would be popular. My second choice (13) got sweetheart dealed out, and I didn't get my third choice. Apparently, 42 was on double secret reserve too? A lot of buildup with times and dates of form acceptance to have the chance to play the serial number lottery, and in the end, none of it mattered.
13 was my first choice but I was definitely late to order not that that would have mattered for me I guess. Really should have thought out my 2nd and 3rd choices a bit better tho I guess. iuno
There can't not be drama, drama is life.
I don't think it's about drama at all. There was just a lot of excitement for the GB, and since the time "mattered", a lot of people took that seriously and to heart. Not only did I set an alarm, but I also changed dinner plans that night with friends, just so I could be absolutely sure I was next to my computer.
However now it turns out that it really was "pick any number up to 57... *Except for 13 and 14... **And also 42", which again, is fine if we were told up front. Of course people are going to feel a little bit down now because it turns out the process wasn't as straightforward or transparent as any of us believed.
Um, just for the record... I got 14 and it wasn't on my list at all. I was not given any preferential treatment, obviously, since I didn't get any of my 3 numbers. One of them was 42 and obviously we know how that went down. I've since traded #14 with filphil, who got #22.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 15:26:51
Also, since Zealio is the "official" switch for the Mira, when the GB goes live for the board and there are options for the switches, are all six switches available or just a selection from the list?
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:31:09
So looking at the thread again, FrostyToast submitted 1 hour late and got 42.
I submit at 9:00:02 w/ 42 as my top request, but don't receive it.
Why even have this request system if the rules aren't going to be followed? You could as well just wrote, FrostyToast gets number 42, without making us jump through hoops to request a number. I literally set an alarm at 8:55PM just to be able to submit as close as possible to 9:00PM.
I get that FrostyToast helped you a lot and if you'd like to give him preference, that's totally fine, and I would actually support it. But don't create a number request system, then basically ignore the rules for it. Especially since you told another set of people their numbers, allowed them to swap, a week before you even sent the envelopes out. Actually, I don't care at all about what number I get. It doesn't make a huge deal to me. What I do care about, is the level of preferential treatment given to certain members makes this entire request system feel disingenous.
Regardless, I'm still in this GB b/c it's a beautiful keyboard, and I hope the buy is very successful, but this just leaves me with a bad taste in my mouth.
1000 times this. I figured my first choice (42) would be popular. My second choice (13) got sweetheart dealed out, and I didn't get my third choice. Apparently, 42 was on double secret reserve too? A lot of buildup with times and dates of form acceptance to have the chance to play the serial number lottery, and in the end, none of it mattered.
13 was my first choice but I was definitely late to order not that that would have mattered for me I guess. Really should have thought out my 2nd and 3rd choices a bit better tho I guess. iuno
There can't not be drama, drama is life.
I don't think it's about drama at all. There was just a lot of excitement for the GB, and since the time "mattered", a lot of people took that seriously and to heart. Not only did I set an alarm, but I also changed dinner plans that night with friends, just so I could be absolutely sure I was next to my computer.
However now it turns out that it really was "pick any number up to 57... *Except for 13 and 14... **And also 42", which again, is fine if we were told up front. Of course people are going to feel a little bit down now because it turns out the process wasn't as straightforward or transparent as any of us believed.
+1, should've just assigned numbers at random since the majority of us didn't know certain numbers were reserved; would've saved the hassle of trying to submit that damn form in a timely manner. I have no particular attachment to #25 so if someone does feel strongly about it and wants to trade, I'm cool with asking the Dr. if that can happen.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:49:40
I honestly knew that this was bound to happen. People would get mad over this and I understand.
I did indeed get my number reserved. No question. I hinted to that even in my post a while back in the thread when I said I was sure to get the number I wanted.
So how did I get my number reserved?
Well since DrHubblePhD was getting a new PCB designed and manufactured they needed to fund the prototype PCBs for development.
The MOQ for the PCBs was 4 and at $100 each.
I was initially going to fun the full $400 to get the PCBs made however WKL made it easier for us by getting two prototype PCBs for themselves.
As such I only had to give up $200 for this to get made instead of the full $400. Shipping to Hubble was included by the way so that was not additional cost to us.
Perhaps the PCBs could have been paid for with the preorder money. However at the time, the decision for preorders was not made and with Hubble having little money it would have been tough for him to fund it. I have also been told that the profits on this project are quite low making any investment difficult to justify without raising the GB price.
As for whom the PCBs go to I believe I am getting one of the two prototypes and Hubble is keeping one since seems fairly interested in using the prototype PCB.
Obviously the biggest concern here is that you guys did not know that #42 was available and weakened your chances at a third number. That I cannot address or justify.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 16:58:32
That said, I hope Hubbs took all 57 into consideration first before assigning numbers, especially since he opted people three slots. I.e. and slightly e.g., I hope I wasn't the 28th person who submitted and, after going in order, Hubbs just assigned me that number since all three of my choices were assigned already by the time he got to me instead of checking to see if my choices were more of a priority than everyone's as a whole.
Not sure whether that makes sense; I need more coffee. brb...
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:01:55
It may just be me, but it seems that a lot of people who submitted quickly enough didn't get any of their numbers. I haven't gone through and checked all the posts, but enough people posted they didn't get any of their top three to stick to my memory. As I mentioned, I read Hubbs' post that he was surprised at the amount of people who were getting their top number, and I took that a little too close for comfort.
That said, I hope Hubbs took all 57 into consideration first before assigning numbers, especially since he opted people three slots. I.e. and slightly e.g., I hope I wasn't the 28th person who submitted and, after going in order, Hubbs just assigned me that number since all three of my choices were assigned already by the time he got to me instead of checking to see if my choices were more of a priority than everyone's as a whole.
Not sure whether that makes sense; I need more coffee. brb...
Makes sense.
this is why I'd want to know how it was done.
I figured my number 36 wouldn't be much of a first pick for most people and it would be fine.
But if it's how you explained, then I had no chance because I was probably one of the last people to enter.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 26 August 2015, 17:04:51
It may just be me, but it seems that a lot of people who submitted quickly enough didn't get any of their numbers. I haven't gone through and checked all the posts, but enough people posted they didn't get any of their top three to stick to my memory. As I mentioned, I read Hubbs' post that he was surprised at the amount of people who were getting their top number, and I took that a little too close for comfort.
That said, I hope Hubbs took all 57 into consideration first before assigning numbers, especially since he opted people three slots. I.e. and slightly e.g., I hope I wasn't the 28th person who submitted and, after going in order, Hubbs just assigned me that number since all three of my choices were assigned already by the time he got to me instead of checking to see if my choices were more of a priority than everyone's as a whole.
Not sure whether that makes sense; I need more coffee. brb...
Like we have seen previously in the thread, there are many people who have not received their letters yet which obviously means they cannot post here.
It is also possible that those who have received their first number are not very vocal on the forum. Lurkers are definitely still potential buyers of this board.
Just keep in mind that really, only a fraction of people have posted about not receiving their first number and maybe some just don't feel like posting.
Either way, I trust that Hubble tried to do well by everyone. Obviously it is hard to organize everything such that everyone is satisfied.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 26 August 2015, 18:26:20
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 26 August 2015, 20:01:33
Obviously the biggest concern here is that you guys did not know that #42 was available and weakened your chances at a third number. That I cannot address or justify.
This is the biggest issue here, in my opinion. Returning favors and granting number requests is totally reasonable (I think he reserved #1 or #2 for Zeal as well, right?), but the people submitting *only* 3 picks need to know that. To waste one of those preference picks on a number that you have zero chance of getting is just a shame. I think that most people can agree that the number is one of the least important parts of this group buy, but to even offer numbered units in the first place implies that you want it to be taken seriously. This is not the right way to do that. :-/
Post by: Data on Wed, 26 August 2015, 20:21:09
Obviously the biggest concern here is that you guys did not know that #42 was available and weakened your chances at a third number. That I cannot address or justify.
This is the biggest issue here, in my opinion. Returning favors and granting number requests is totally reasonable (I think he reserved #1 or #2 for Zeal as well, right?), but the people submitting *only* 3 picks need to know that. To waste one of those preference picks on a number that you have zero chance of getting is just a shame. I think that most people can agree that the number is one of the least important parts of this group buy, but to even offer numbered units in the first place implies that you want it to be taken seriously. This is not the right way to do that. :-/
The numbers are mostly meaningless, but picking your number was made out to be a big deal and one of the perks of being the first 57 to pre-order, which in turn helped produce the prototype. So what little meaning could be derived from that is now further diminished by the way it was handled. That's a shame.
Life goes on I suppose.
I think everyone is dazzled by how well the prototype turned out, but this business with the numbers (it feels stupid to even type it out) and the disappointing news RE: the anodizing options have really made this IC one hell of a rollercoaster ride. I'm sure it will turn out great in the end, but damn...
DRAMA :eek:
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 26 August 2015, 20:48:41
Guys, most buys only offer silver, black, and occasionally some other third colour.
The option for powder coating in any one off you want alone makes this better than other buys in terms of options.
Honestly, I knew that there wouldn't be much in terms of anodizing options. The renders were just there to showcase what it could look like. They were mostly Zeal having a bunch of fun.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:01:24
#1 I am NOT looking for your disappointment, I clearly stated and have continually pointed to the fact that I want YOUR opinion. I have not made color choice final, so if you would like me to look into more color choices for anodizing despite an added cost than I will, that simple.
#2 This thread is not intended for lectures, debates, or DRAMA, it is a way for me to update you on the project and ask for you opinions and thoughts on the direction of the project. Quite a few people and I have worked very hard to get the Mira to the point it is right now and the fact that that means nothing while a silly number debate somehow makes me a criminal is outrageous. The number was designed as a perk, not a product. I thought I had made it VERY clear that I could not make everyone happy. I don't know if just the people who are disappointed are posting cause I did in fact give many people their first through third choice and there is nothing I can do to make them post or take a photo. Understand that many of you who did not get your top choices choose very popular numbers and where inherently playing a lottery, not everyone can win a lottery. I also understand that people are frustrated that some numbers where reserved for contributors. Understand that I did not know that Ninjadoc wanted #2 or that frosty toast was going to request number 42 after submitting late. I had a conversation with Frosty telling him that it seemed unfair that he would take the number after submitting after a good number of you had already pre-ordered but he assured me that everyone would understand that the contributors deserved some preference. Understand that you guys gave $40 while the people who's names appear on the weight gave far more to this project. It would be unreasonable for me to not give them such a simple right after doing so much for me. I ADMIT (because people with character admit their mistakes) that perhaps more precautions could have been made to make the numbering system more real to the expectations I gave you. That said, there is A LOT more to this group buy than the number, so PLEASE stop worrying so much about it.
#3 I have not finished mailing out all 57 letters. I have had a very hectic couple weeks moving and transitioning to a new way of life. Making keyboards is not my job, so please know that I cant always let volunteer work get in the way of life changing work.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:10:08
Can't wait to see more pics!
But I still want 27. ;)
Post by: archer on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:19:14
Also, I got #29... if whoever got #57 would like to trade, please let me know! It would twist my jimmies in all the right ways if I could score #57! :thumb:
Post by: Pemdas on Wed, 26 August 2015, 21:35:30
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 27 August 2015, 03:40:23
I've a lot of aluminium pc parts which is powder coated. As long as it's a high quality coat the result would be amazing or even scratch resistant
Post by: rpeterclark on Thu, 27 August 2015, 06:22:10
Post by: Bucky on Thu, 27 August 2015, 12:23:29
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 27 August 2015, 12:32:39
Was participation in the pre-order implied to be anonymous or something? Our names typically get posted all over in other GBs (paid invoices, shipping batches, etc) . The public number trading requests and general ambiguity would go away if a list of usernames and assigned numbers with a note that I indicates which choice it was. The problem seems to be the lack of transparency, maybe be more transparent?The way I have the numbers organized is with your real names and addresses, I would have to reformat my sheet (which I will do eventually) in order to share all the numbers. I don't want to run the Group buy in a way that makes other peoples spending habits obvious or creates tension between people just because of a number.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 27 August 2015, 12:58:19
At the end of the day this is just about getting a Mira, not a number, and as cool as it could be to have a special number on the bottom of my keyboard, it changes nothing about how excited I am about this project.
Really, I'm just not quite understanding how to get upset over a number.
Post by: romevi on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:04:01
Doesn't help that it's being downplayed now, as though retrospectively it wasn't a big deal. To some it was. It's part of the overall custom keyboard experience. You get a custom keyboard, but wait! You can raffle a specific number to have engraved, you'll receive a personal letter, gold stabilizers, and maybe even a custom emblem on the weight. That sounds really cool, and adds to the individuality. It'll be my Mira and no one else's.
Still excited for the Mira and the Zealio switches going in it.
Edit:
Maybe to help explain why the number was important to some: it may be the year they graduated some school, an anniversary, birth date, jersey number, etc. Something which says something about the owner. Sure, the number won't matter in the end because it's never going to be visible in normal use, or someone even may end up selling it, but the number can be a sort of signature in ways.
ANYWAY, that's it. In the end, it was a raffle and some will lose. I'm getting strung way too highly about this. I need to step away and get some fresh air.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:05:45
I originally got my top number. Someone else apparently really wanted it. Traded my number to them. The number shouldn't be a huge deal, at least in my big-bearded-opinion.
At the end of the day this is just about getting a Mira, not a number, and as cool as it could be to have a special number on the bottom of my keyboard, it changes nothing about how excited I am about this project.
Really, I'm just not quite understanding how to get upset over a number.
I mean. I'd love to have 36 since it's a part of my username, but in the end, if it doesnt happen then it doesnt happen.
I think people are getting upset or irritated about the number thing not because of the number itself, but being a bit mislead as to not being told there were certain numbers being reserved.
Like you said, it's just a number and we're all more interested in getting a Mira. I'm sure everyone can agree to that.
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:17:06
I originally got my top number. Someone else apparently really wanted it. Traded my number to them. The number shouldn't be a huge deal, at least in my big-bearded-opinion.
At the end of the day this is just about getting a Mira, not a number, and as cool as it could be to have a special number on the bottom of my keyboard, it changes nothing about how excited I am about this project.
Really, I'm just not quite understanding how to get upset over a number.
You got a number, traded it, and tweeted about it before letters even went out.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:30:39
I originally got my top number. Someone else apparently really wanted it. Traded my number to them. The number shouldn't be a huge deal, at least in my big-bearded-opinion.
At the end of the day this is just about getting a Mira, not a number, and as cool as it could be to have a special number on the bottom of my keyboard, it changes nothing about how excited I am about this project.
Really, I'm just not quite understanding how to get upset over a number.
You got a number, traded it, and tweeted about it before letters even went out.
The person I traded with failed to mention they were supposed to be secret :eek: I had no knowledge at all what number I had until this individual messaged me, told me what number I had, then immediatly asked me for it. I figured if people were getting told who had what number, then numbers were basically public already at that point. My mistake, and I took it down immediately.
Still never got a letter, probably won't, feeling like my mail service lost it, which happens a lot. So still not even 100% sure what number I have now haha.
Post by: Bucky on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:33:15
Even though I am late to this and didn't get to choose a number I think it will be fun just seeing what random one I get between 58-100.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:35:55
I don't remember seeing a mention of what the cost for building the keyboard would be, is that something we have a rough idea on? Just trying to have a rough estimate on total cost.
Even though I am late to this and didn't get to choose a number I think it will be fun just seeing what random one I get between 58-100.
I'm not sure we know yet. Probably between $400-$500, but that is totally a personal guess.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 27 August 2015, 13:36:51
Post by: Armagedda on Thu, 27 August 2015, 18:15:05
I don't remember seeing a mention of what the cost for building the keyboard would be, is that something we have a rough idea on? Just trying to have a rough estimate on total cost.
Even though I am late to this and didn't get to choose a number I think it will be fun just seeing what random one I get between 58-100.
Yeah this is something all these thread crapping number ****s don't seem to appreciate. There are many of us who have pre-ordered but missed the window to get into the first 57. We will be missing out on the gold stabs as well as the ability to select some number preferences despite having contributed just as much as them to the costs of the prototyping and pre-GB costs. I'm not complaining about missing out mind you, this was clearly stated in the OP and is absolutely fair enough. Though it definitely bothers me to see this thread getting crapped by people that are genuinely upset that they couldn't have their meme number and frankly it's pathetic.
On a positive note I got my swag shipping notice too, pretty excited about that.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:40:45
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 27 August 2015, 19:50:35
I don't remember seeing a mention of what the cost for building the keyboard would be, is that something we have a rough idea on? Just trying to have a rough estimate on total cost.
Even though I am late to this and didn't get to choose a number I think it will be fun just seeing what random one I get between 58-100.
Yeah this is something all these thread crapping number ****s don't seem to appreciate. There are many of us who have pre-ordered but missed the window to get into the first 57. We will be missing out on the gold stabs as well as the ability to select some number preferences despite having contributed just as much as them to the costs of the prototyping and pre-GB costs. I'm not complaining about missing out mind you, this was clearly stated in the OP and is absolutely fair enough. Though it definitely bothers me to see this thread getting crapped by people that are genuinely upset that they couldn't have their meme number and frankly it's pathetic.
On a positive note I got my swag shipping notice too, pretty excited about that.
I presume you aren't crapping by complaining about people complaining, simply because you didn't have a horse in the race.
Post by: E3E on Fri, 28 August 2015, 07:52:35
Anyway, I think anyone who's upset over the number they ended up with should take a step back and realize they are in a select group themselves. Many others WISH they could've been in the first 57, so don't complain because you simply didn't get a small detail you wanted.
With that said, I'm still happy to see this whole project progress. It's been one hell of a sight to see, and to be honest, with the GB stats someone displayed early into this, I was with them in thinking that 57 orders wouldn't even have been reached. Pretty awesome if you ask me, especially if we're getting orders from people outside of the US. Whew for a USA custom! :3
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 28 August 2015, 08:54:04
On a side note... For the "Do you intend on requesting assembly services?" question I answered "Yes, only SMD components" but I'd rather just do it myself. Anywhere to change that answer?
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 28 August 2015, 11:56:43
Hey as long as my number is less than 58 I'm happy.
On a side note... For the "Do you intend on requesting assembly services?" question I answered "Yes, only SMD components" but I'd rather just do it myself. Anywhere to change that answer?
Im pretty sure that was just to gauge interest, not a "final answer", though I could be wrong.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:56:25
I'll just stop looking for one at this point. If I get one, cool, if not, oh well. Not a big deal.
My swag will probably get here next week though
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 13:59:22
So, getting back to the subject... What is the additional cost for more anodizing options, Doc? And what colors are available?
Im not sure, we had some problems with the anodizing shop that we used for the prototype. We will most certainly be using a different one. At the moment though I am trying to get powder coat samples for you guys to see :p
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:08:13
Another day and still no letter.
I'll just stop looking for one at this point. If I get one, cool, if not, oh well. Not a big deal.
My swag will probably get here next week though
Yeah, same.
But seeing powder coat options is exciting!
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:12:31
So, getting back to the subject... What is the additional cost for more anodizing options, Doc? And what colors are available?
Im not sure, we had some problems with the anodizing shop that we used for the prototype. We will most certainly be using a different one. At the moment though I am trying to get powder coat samples for you guys to see :p
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Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:13:54
Another day and still no letter.
I'll just stop looking for one at this point. If I get one, cool, if not, oh well. Not a big deal.
My swag will probably get here next week though
Since there is clearly a lot of confusion I am going to release the list of usernames and which numbers they got. Regardless of what it says on your letter, this is the number you will be receiving :thumb:
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 14:48:12
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:01:22
(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:04:20
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Hubbs, you cray.
I GOT MY NUMBER! Looks like I got all pantie-twisted for nothing. I'm sorry if I sounded rude in my posts; it wasn't my intention at all. I was just trying to embolden the fact that I, with possibly some others, really, really wanted a specific number that we thought no one would pick!
I got 28 in the letter. Should I forward my letter to archer or keep it?
Congrats, fab 57! And congrats to the rest who helped support this. Can't wait to get this with muh Zealios.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:15:01
So, getting back to the subject... What is the additional cost for more anodizing options, Doc? And what colors are available?
Im not sure, we had some problems with the anodizing shop that we used for the prototype. We will most certainly be using a different one. At the moment though I am trying to get powder coat samples for you guys to see :p
Understood. Thanks for getting back to me on that. Is it possible to get a non-anodized and non-painted/powder coated chassis? I've got a local shop that will do pretty much any color for $10/sq ft.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:21:58
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
lol. time to trade... anyone want 25? I'm interested in 30 and 32
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:29:38
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
yayy got my number! thanks dr, I sent you a PM earlier but forget about it now :)
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:30:25
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
yayy got my number! thanks dr, I sent you a PM earlier but forget about it now :)
Oh, I get why you wanted that number.
Post by: sethk_ on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:41:45
Yeah, I saw his post before his number and I was hoping it would be 23 lolI am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
yayy got my number! thanks dr, I sent you a PM earlier but forget about it now :)
Oh, I get why you wanted that number.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:45:59
And I'm sorry if I sounded a bit rude.
I was just stating that I give up on checking and hoping on getting a letter. If it comes, great, but it's not something I'm dying over and I'm just happy about being in the GB rather than about getting a number.
But once again, thanks for the list and clarification
Post by: adamski07 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 15:57:18
Post by: archer on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:13:47
Which is correct? ;D
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:21:27
Hey DrHubb -- The envelope that I received had #29 on it.. your spreadsheet has me as #28.
Which is correct? ;D
The spreadsheet. He said just above that that the numbers were bumped by mistake when printing them out.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:29:55
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Thanks for posting this Dr. Hubble - happy to have a single digit number if I can't have 42 :D! Do we need to do anything on our end?Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Zelios are pre-ordered, Hyperfuse caps are shipping soon & soldering kit is at the ready... can't wait until I start working on this badboy next year or whenever it happens :thumb:
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:32:09
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Am I blind or am I not even on that list? :))
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:46:21
Hey DrHubb -- The envelope that I received had #29 on it.. your spreadsheet has me as #28.
Which is correct? ;D
gonna guess that the spreadsheet is correct
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:47:31
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Am I blind or am I not even on that list? :))
That's a little odd. We're you in the first 57 or the latter portion?
Post by: trizkut on Fri, 28 August 2015, 16:51:26
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Am I blind or am I not even on that list? :))
That's a little odd. We're you in the first 57 or the latter portion?
First 57.. I was mailed #15.
(http://i.imgur.com/g3c5125.jpg)
Post by: Blackehart on Fri, 28 August 2015, 17:02:57
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 17:31:55
so ummm...why is there a sad face next to mine? QQ
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
Probably that no one picked that number and since you were part of the original 57, but couldn't get any of your three choices, you were assigned that sad face number.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 28 August 2015, 17:57:45
so ummm...why is there a sad face next to mine? QQ
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
Probably that no one picked that number and since you were part of the original 57, but couldn't get any of your three choices, you were assigned that sad face number.
can't be that... i would have a sad face too. #25 was not in my top three choices
Post by: lol on Fri, 28 August 2015, 18:00:46
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 28 August 2015, 18:01:56
so ummm...why is there a sad face next to mine? QQ
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
It could be that the person who got that spot didn't pay on time.
I have no clue though to be honest.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 28 August 2015, 18:06:02
That makes more sense.so ummm...why is there a sad face next to mine? QQ
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
It could be that the person who got that spot didn't pay on time.
I have no clue though to be honest.
Post by: ATXTider on Fri, 28 August 2015, 18:17:23
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Word! I got my choice!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 19:27:03
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Fri, 28 August 2015, 19:35:45
That makes more sense.so ummm...why is there a sad face next to mine? QQ
What does the sad face mean?
I must know!
#19 bee tee dubs
It could be that the person who got that spot didn't pay on time.
I have no clue though to be honest.
It means that person put "geekhack" as their username so I don't know who it is. I Put part of their email up so that they can identify themselves.
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 19:37:28
Post by: 64rky on Fri, 28 August 2015, 20:19:50
Hubble, I don't see you on the list! I hope you're ending up with a board after all the work you're doing.
Think the Dr will be getting infinity symbol.
Post by: Pemdas on Fri, 28 August 2015, 20:26:02
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Hmmm I don't seem to see myself on this list. I pre-ordered a day late but I'm pretty sure it was still during the initial #57.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 28 August 2015, 20:40:44
huh......(http://imgur.com/UPrT2vC.jpg)I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Am I blind or am I not even on that list? :))
That's a little odd. We're you in the first 57 or the latter portion?
First 57.. I was mailed #15.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/g3c5125.jpg)
Post by: Data on Fri, 28 August 2015, 21:33:58
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:So I'm listed here as #10, which was one of my numbers. That makes me happy.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Post by: tribade on Fri, 28 August 2015, 22:29:58
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 29 August 2015, 02:10:37
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:So I'm listed here as #10, which was one of my numbers. That makes me happy.Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)Do we just ignore the number we were mailed if it doesn't match this spreadsheet?Nevermind, I see that you confirmed that in an earlier post.
wtf I was already mailed number 10
Post by: swimmingbird on Sat, 29 August 2015, 02:11:44
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
you have already mailed me number 10
are you now telling me that is not my number?
no offense but this is kind of bull****
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 29 August 2015, 09:56:09
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 29 August 2015, 10:51:49
Joking aside, i'm quite disappointed to see all this complaining about numbers. I thought these guys were better than that.
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 29 August 2015, 11:39:10
My numbers not on there, it's the lucky guy number who gets a free Mira =D
Joking aside, i'm quite disappointed to see all this complaining about numbers. I thought these guys were better than that.
I agree, it's just a number (I can say that because I don't have one). It would have been so much easier for the Doc if he just assigned the number in the order the orders came in (and went up to 100 :) )
Post by: eksuen on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:09:06
I don't think it's fair to judge others for what they assign value to. There's probably some meaningful item/idea/tradition/etc. in your life that is utterly trivial to me. It would be rude of me to be so dismissive about it just because I don't derive meaning and value from those same things.My numbers not on there, it's the lucky guy number who gets a free Mira =D
Joking aside, i'm quite disappointed to see all this complaining about numbers. I thought these guys were better than that.
I agree, it's just a number (I can say that because I don't have one). It would have been so much easier for the Doc if he just assigned the number in the order the orders came in (and went up to 100 :) )
EDIT: It also strikes me as odd that this kind of attitude would show up here. This is a keyboard enthusiast community. The vast majority of people couldn't care less about a keyboard, because after all, it's just a keyboard. Who in their right mind spends hundreds of dollars on one, let alone multiple keyboards? Sounds a bit ignorant, doesn't it?
Post by: Bucky on Sat, 29 August 2015, 13:21:40
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 29 August 2015, 14:59:42
I don't think it's fair to judge others for what they assign value to. There's probably some meaningful item/idea/tradition/etc. in your life that is utterly trivial to me. It would be rude of me to be so dismissive about it just because I don't derive meaning and value from those same things.My numbers not on there, it's the lucky guy number who gets a free Mira =D
Joking aside, i'm quite disappointed to see all this complaining about numbers. I thought these guys were better than that.
I agree, it's just a number (I can say that because I don't have one). It would have been so much easier for the Doc if he just assigned the number in the order the orders came in (and went up to 100 :) )
EDIT: It also strikes me as odd that this kind of attitude would show up here. This is a keyboard enthusiast community. The vast majority of people couldn't care less about a keyboard, because after all, it's just a keyboard. Who in their right mind spends hundreds of dollars on one, let alone multiple keyboards? Sounds a bit ignorant, doesn't it?
I wasn't judging anyone. People can assign meaning to whatever they want, and like I said, it's easy for me to say because I don't have a number, and you're right, this is a keyboard community, I get very strange looks for my hobby.
What I was clumsily trying to articulate, and I'm not trashing people's value in their number (I would have wanted 64, hence the second half of my comment), was: this is a pretty bad ass keyboard, the case looks awesome, so I thought that it would be nice if the focus was maybe more on that.
That's all. Sorry if I offended anyone, that was not my intention!
Post by: romevi on Sat, 29 August 2015, 15:30:53
At the end of the day though nobody was guaranteed the number, you are buying a keyboard not a number.Correction: a *numbered* keyboard.
Post by: DukeMugen on Sun, 30 August 2015, 04:22:21
Post by: Vala on Sun, 30 August 2015, 05:43:52
I am very sorry for the confusion, it seems printing letters got things all jumbled up, hopefully this makes some of you happy :thumb:Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUox/9ed89b0be3.png)Show Image(http://puu.sh/jRUpj/517ccc8f5f.png)
Ah man, I got 18 in my letter, but it turns out I actually have 17. That was pretty misleading considering 18 was my 2nd choice :(
Post by: rottencat on Sun, 30 August 2015, 09:44:23
Post by: Binge on Sun, 30 August 2015, 09:53:35
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 10:04:08
So are there any numbers past 57?
I initially heard that there was going to be numbers > 57, but you wouldn't be able to choose, then I heard that there's not. I would be totally happy to get 64 ;)
Post by: abjr on Sun, 30 August 2015, 10:30:45
Hey DrHubb -- The envelope that I received had #29 on it.. your spreadsheet has me as #28.
Which is correct? ;D
The spreadsheet. He said just above that that the numbers were bumped by mistake when printing them out.
I went from #4 to #29. Whoops!
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 30 August 2015, 10:54:26
WotSo are there any numbers past 57?
I initially heard that there was going to be numbers > 57, but you wouldn't be able to choose, then I heard that there's not. I would be totally happy to get 64 ;)
No more than 57?
Post by: adamski07 on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:04:35
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:40:02
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently I have been super busy with a wide variety of things.
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
I'm addressing this and hopefully will not tick DrHubble off with it. First the board failed to give me notifications about new posts and I missed this discussion.
The anodizing issue is as much if not more my fault on relaying information about it and the issues involving it. I was trying to limit information flow through one person but DrHubble is busy beginning school so I will step in.
The anodizing companies are big bussinesses and usually do industrial items. Most don't seem to be interested in doing relatively small jobs and don't particularly seem concerned about providing a good finish for appearances. Color choice is limited by what they offer and by the set up cost to do the anodizing and for color changes. Oddly enough , to me anyway, grey is the hardest color to get a good product and has a variability from piece to piece - so top and bottom would not be the same color - like happened with the KMAC. Consistently of color, risk of burn marks, poorly anodized areas, and the method of placing the items in the tank is an issue. For instance - the company that did the prototype used clamps to dip it in the anodizing tank, resulting in clamp marks.
Did he describe his powder coating? Is it like a Duracoat or Cerakote process?
This goes back to notifications from the board. I thought this was off the table and ignored it when brought up by the shop. I had a piece of metal that was powdercoated and left it in the shop because of this. I also didn't ask any questions about the process - "they stated any color could be done" BUT I can guarantee it will not be that simple. As for metal flake powder coating, someone post a link or PM me a link because I suspect that is not an option. I didn't ask about the process because I didn't feel it was relavant. Obviously it is.I also will have to learn more about powder coating so I can ask intelligent questions.
I will address numbering in a separate post.
I can't call tomorrow and I'm unaware of DrHubble's schedule so it will be Tuesday before I can relay any information but he may be able to.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 30 August 2015, 11:42:20
So are there any numbers past 57?
I initially heard that there was going to be numbers > 57, but you wouldn't be able to choose, then I heard that there's not. I would be totally happy to get 64 ;)
Through my discussions with Dr.Hubble my understanding is there will be no numbers after 57. That may have changed but at this point i wouldn't expect any other numbers.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 30 August 2015, 12:05:52
Yea. Would have been nice to know if any where actually reserved so people would understand.
Also, I go back to what I said previously. I'd want to know how the numbers were assigned. Were they given out as orders came in? Or was everyone taken into account and then distributed accordingly.
I'm sure this will be revealed eventually
Myself and Frosty have both donated time and money to the project. I've been amazed at the effort required to organize and get things done but it is understandable because it is business and they want to make money. Frosty supplied money and and time and contacts to make the PCB happen. I've spent time calling and submitting plans to shops, going over plans, discussing with DrHubble, visiting shops, and meeting with them to get the product. I paid for the prototype, and them was reimbursed after the preorder so we could get it done.
I never thought there would be that big of a deal about numbering. I can't speak for Frosty but when numbering came up, I asked if i could chose mine, thought about it a while, and gave him my number. I apologize about the uproar it caused but give Dr.Hubble credit, he allowed you to have input in your number; any other group buys that were numbered you simply received one and you had no idea what it was until you received the product.
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 30 August 2015, 14:23:11
Post by: Data on Sun, 30 August 2015, 15:04:21
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently I have been super busy with a wide variety of things.
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
I'm addressing this and hopefully will not tick DrHubble off with it. First the board failed to give me notifications about new posts and I missed this discussion.
The anodizing issue is as much if not more my fault on relaying information about it and the issues involving it. I was trying to limit information flow through one person but DrHubble is busy beginning school so I will step in.
The anodizing companies are big bussinesses and usually do industrial items. Most don't seem to be interested in doing relatively small jobs and don't particularly seem concerned about providing a good finish for appearances. Color choice is limited by what they offer and by the set up cost to do the anodizing and for color changes. Oddly enough , to me anyway, grey is the hardest color to get a good product and has a variability from piece to piece - so top and bottom would not be the same color - like happened with the KMAC. Consistently of color, risk of burn marks, poorly anodized areas, and the method of placing the items in the tank is an issue. For instance - the company that did the prototype used clamps to dip it in the anodizing tank, resulting in clamp marks.
Did he describe his powder coating? Is it like a Duracoat or Cerakote process?
This goes back to notifications from the board. I thought this was off the table and ignored it when brought up by the shop. I had a piece of metal that was powdercoated and left it in the shop because of this. I also didn't ask any questions about the process - "they stated any color could be done" BUT I can guarantee it will not be that simple. As for metal flake powder coating, someone post a link or PM me a link because I suspect that is not an option. I didn't ask about the process because I didn't feel it was relavant. Obviously it is.I also will have to learn more about powder coating so I can ask intelligent questions.
I will address numbering in a separate post.
I can't call tomorrow and I'm unaware of DrHubble's schedule so it will be Tuesday before I can relay any information but he may be able to.
Thanks for the follow-up.
If you're comfortable offering a "no finish" option I think some of us can arrange for their own coating on the case. I hadn't considered Cerakote as a keyboard finish in the past but after looking into it a bit further it seems like a perfect option for this high-end exclusive board.
Post by: tribade on Sun, 30 August 2015, 15:52:15
Yea. Would have been nice to know if any where actually reserved so people would understand.
Also, I go back to what I said previously. I'd want to know how the numbers were assigned. Were they given out as orders came in? Or was everyone taken into account and then distributed accordingly.
I'm sure this will be revealed eventually
Myself and Frosty have both donated time and money to the project. I've been amazed at the effort required to organize and get things done but it is understandable because it is business and they want to make money. Frosty supplied money and and time and contacts to make the PCB happen. I've spent time calling and submitting plans to shops, going over plans, discussing with DrHubble, visiting shops, and meeting with them to get the product. I paid for the prototype, and them was reimbursed after the preorder so we could get it done.
I never thought there would be that big of a deal about numbering. I can't speak for Frosty but when numbering came up, I asked if i could chose mine, thought about it a while, and gave him my number. I apologize about the uproar it caused but give Dr.Hubble credit, he allowed you to have input in your number; any other group buys that were numbered you simply received one and you had no idea what it was until you received the product.
You're absolutely right. I just got caught up in the hype train and was disappointed when I didn't get the number I was expecting from my letter. You did a good job putting it into perspective :D I've since gotten over it and am excited to see what happens with the prototype and color choices!
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 30 August 2015, 17:47:16
Hey guys, sorry for the lack of updates recently I have been super busy with a wide variety of things.
Just spoke to the shop and they said the board should be done with anodizing by this Friday so I should have it to me sometime by the end of next week.
ON THE TOPIC OF COLOR CHOICE:
We spoke about the options that we could have for a run of this size. What he said was that for anodizing choices he is pretty limited ( E.G. Grey, Silver, Red, Blue). What he also told me was that if I wanted to offer powder coating we could do AS MANY COLORS AS WE WANTED, even one offs. So what might happen (I am of course interested to hear your opinions) is that I will offer a few basic anodizing colors with the option of having ANY COLOR YOU WANT in powder coat. What he told me was that the shop could do a very high quality powder coat that is actually MORE ware resistant than anodizing (essentially would be much less likely to show small dents or scratches). So up to you, but I think the ability to have essentially any color would be cool. :thumb:
If it's possible to get a discount on an unanodized but finished (I mean texture surface preparation) case, I will get my case anodized locally. I want an uncommon color in any case.
Post by: njbair on Sun, 30 August 2015, 20:43:40
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 30 August 2015, 21:44:24
Post by: 64rky on Sun, 30 August 2015, 21:59:23
Boards after 57 will still be numbered. I spoke with our contact and discussed powder coating, so Ninjadoc and I will look more into that to provide you with more information. Otherwise, thanks for that update Ninjadoc! :thumb:
Great, so > 57 will still get numbers, that's awesome... thanks for the update sir.
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 30 August 2015, 22:00:23
Boards after 57 will still be numbered. I spoke with our contact and discussed powder coating, so Ninjadoc and I will look more into that to provide you with more information. Otherwise, thanks for that update Ninjadoc! :thumb:
Thank you for your confirmation sir!
Keep up the good work
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 01 September 2015, 15:36:14
(http://i.imgur.com/gvtzEVm.jpg)
Post by: eksuen on Tue, 01 September 2015, 19:15:01
Got my swag todayShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/gvtzEVm.jpg)
Me too! ;D The quality of the shirt is pretty good and it fits nicely.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 02 September 2015, 22:33:13
Post by: demik on Wed, 02 September 2015, 22:45:32
Post by: filphil on Wed, 02 September 2015, 23:24:52
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 02 September 2015, 23:26:46
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
Plate is mounted on the underside of the top casing.
Post by: filphil on Wed, 02 September 2015, 23:35:00
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
Plate is mounted on the underside of the top casing.
A la KMAC2. Got it! Thanks frosty
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 03 September 2015, 01:23:29
(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/09/02/0a4a169f819c81030c42f722a27a63da.jpg)
Post by: ocodo on Thu, 03 September 2015, 22:02:27
Post by: ocodo on Thu, 03 September 2015, 22:03:54
Post by: Cottonsox on Thu, 03 September 2015, 22:06:05
I just (cleverly!) noticed that the demo case is winkeyless.... is this the only option, because I love me my Super key.
Both are being offered. It's down abit in the op but info is there.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 04 September 2015, 01:25:44
I've made arrangements to meet with both the powdercoating company and an anodizing company the next two days. If possible I will see another company that does a Cerakote process. All are different, all offer advantages and disadvantages. All have told me that they have samples on site that I will at least be able to take pictures of. DrHubble has not shown pictures of the anodized Mira prototype because I still have it in hand for the companies to look at. As soon as I see them it will be shipped to him and he will show more pictures. Be excited, it's a great looking board!Cerakote would be so incredibly awesome, but I'm fairly sure it would come with a substantial price tag, if gun coatings are any indication - a full handgun goes for ~$150 and something AR-15 sized (probably closer to an entire keyboard in surface area) is in the $250 range. That said, you can get some seriously sweet colors and the finish is extremely durable, so it would certainly be an intriguing option for the Hubble Mira. Looking forward to seeing more - thanks for all your hard work ninjadoc!
Post by: Armagedda on Mon, 07 September 2015, 04:01:48
Such a shame they had to screw up the print so badly by going the el cheapo route. This is going to scratch off the instant it gets touched by a seatbelt, a falling leaf or even a dirty look.
I'm surprised anyone is actually printing like this any more, especially a big name like Teespring.
Oh well, as long as the print is still there when the Mira shows up I'll deal with it.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 07 September 2015, 21:03:20
First anodizing - I didn't make it there because I spent to much time at the cerakote place. I've talked to theanodizer on the phone, sent them pictures, asked questions, and found out their base colors - clear, black, red, blue, pewter, violet, green, gold - there is no color change charge associated with these but until I have or see samples I can't tell you how they look. There is a good chance they will be reasonable and they have a reputation of putting out a good product. We will see what they tell me and I'll try to see them next Friday.
Second - the cerakote place. I was impressed. So much so they have one of my keyboards to cerakote and in a week or so we will know what cerakote looks like on a keyboard. http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/ These are the colors that are available and you can read about cerakote on that site. Apparently there is a two week course in Oregon that you take in order to be "certified" in the application of cerakote. This is a small shop and he is willing to work with us on this. He can use a base color and fill in the engraving of the "Mira" with a different color. In reference to MythicalWagu's post the cost is less than coating a gun (remember they have to disassemble the gun, coat all the pieces, and reassemble it). It is durable, only 1 - 3 millionths of an inch thick,normally doesn't chip and is scratch resistant.
Third - powder coating. I saw them last Thursday and was not impressed by that shop. It will work, you can get a good product, but I won't give that place our business. There are a few others I will check out and get back to everyone on. In closing I found this site - http://www.prismaticpowders.com - which is an interesting variation on powder coating that is close by. I'm going to see one of their "certified applicators" when I return from my trip.
In closing there are some good options, and if we stick with basic colors they will be reasonable. Cerakote seems like it will give a great product and we'll know more after I get my board back. The basic anodizing colors would give us some unique boards but we need to see samples before we make that leap and see a price. Powder coating has been done in the past and looks good.Powder coating using the prismatic colors would truly produce some unique results. As soon as I know more you will.
Post by: 64rky on Mon, 07 September 2015, 21:15:13
So I've made my tour and received an education on aluminum coatings. I'll briefly mention them and when I'm back in town (next Tudesday) I'll pontificate about the advantages and disadvantages of them. Until then - a reading assignment - https://www.saf.com/how-to-specify/how-to-decide-between-anodizing-painting-and-powder-coating/
First anodizing - I didn't make it there because I spent to much time at the cerakote place. I've talked to theanodizer on the phone, sent them pictures, asked questions, and found out their base colors - clear, black, red, blue, pewter, violet, green, gold - there is no color change charge associated with these but until I have or see samples I can't tell you how they look. There is a good chance they will be reasonable and they have a reputation of putting out a good product. We will see what they tell me and I'll try to see them next Friday.
Second - the cerakote place. I was impressed. So much so they have one of my keyboards to cerakote and in a week or so we will know what cerakote looks like on a keyboard. http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/ These are the colors that are available and you can read about cerakote on that site. Apparently there is a two week course in Oregon that you take in order to be "certified" in the application of cerakote. This is a small shop and he is willing to work with us on this. He can use a base color and fill in the engraving of the "Mira" with a different color. In reference to MythicalWagu's post the cost is less than coating a gun (remember they have to disassemble the gun, coat all the pieces, and reassemble it). It is durable, only 1 - 3 millionths of an inch thick,normally doesn't chip and is scratch resistant.
Third - powder coating. I saw them last Thursday and was not impressed by that shop. It will work, you can get a good product, but I won't give that place our business. There are a few others I will check out and get back to everyone on. In closing I found this site - http://www.prismaticpowders.com - which is an interesting variation on powder coating that is close by. I'm going to see one of their "certified applicators" when I return from my trip.
In closing there are some good options, and if we stick with basic colors they will be reasonable. Cerakote seems like it will give a great product and we'll know more after I get my board back. The basic anodizing colors would give us some unique boards but we need to see samples before we make that leap and see a price. Powder coating has been done in the past and looks good.Powder coating using the prismatic colors would truly produce some unique results. As soon as I know more you will.
Thanks for the info sir, cerakote looks great!
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 07 September 2015, 21:45:46
(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
To answer your question and whet everyone's appetite
(http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg)
Post by: filphil on Mon, 07 September 2015, 22:29:02
Post by: Bucky on Mon, 07 September 2015, 22:43:24
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 03:51:37
I suppose the plate is going to be secured by pressure exerted from the top and bottom part of the case?Show ImageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
To answer your question and whet everyone's appetite
(http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg)
If the inner gap between the top and bottom case is slightly thicker than the plate, the plate won't be held firmly and there will be vibration?
If the plate is slightly thicker than gap between the top and bottom case, there will be large gap between the top bottom part when the board is assembled?
Even if the machining is perfect, but sandblasting and anodizing will still have an effect on the dimension.
Hmmmm. I am worried :rolleyes:
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 08 September 2015, 08:30:10
I suppose the plate is going to be secured by pressure exerted from the top and bottom part of the case?Show ImageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
To answer your question and whet everyone's appetite
(http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg)
If the inner gap between the top and bottom case is slightly thicker than the plate, the plate won't be held firmly and there will be vibration?
If the plate is slightly thicker than gap between the top and bottom case, there will be large gap between the top bottom part when the board is assembled?
Even if the machining is perfect, but sandblasting and anodizing will still have an effect on the dimension.
Hmmmm. I am worried :rolleyes:
Do you not see the screw holes? It is mounted to the top the same way the LZ boards and the OTD boards are.
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 09:17:25
I am sorry boss. I have never seen any OTD and LZ board.I suppose the plate is going to be secured by pressure exerted from the top and bottom part of the case?Show ImageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
To answer your question and whet everyone's appetite
(http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg)
If the inner gap between the top and bottom case is slightly thicker than the plate, the plate won't be held firmly and there will be vibration?
If the plate is slightly thicker than gap between the top and bottom case, there will be large gap between the top bottom part when the board is assembled?
Even if the machining is perfect, but sandblasting and anodizing will still have an effect on the dimension.
Hmmmm. I am worried :rolleyes:
Do you not see the screw holes? It is mounted to the top the same way the LZ boards and the OTD boards are.
Edit:
If you have screwed the plate to the top part of the case, how are you going to screw the bottom half?
This is what I meant.
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Post by: romevi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:15:33
I am sorry boss. I have never seen any OTD and LZ board.I suppose the plate is going to be secured by pressure exerted from the top and bottom part of the case?Show ImageShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/URfeSGd.jpg)
I went over the pictures and have a question hubbs. How are we mounting the plate to the case? It doesn't look like the bottom has accommodations for it unless you have the screws to attach both case halves go through the plate as well. I don't remember seeing the top half of the case so maybe you had it attach there?
To answer your question and whet everyone's appetite
(http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/TXlEjxr.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/6NzjZKA.jpg)
If the inner gap between the top and bottom case is slightly thicker than the plate, the plate won't be held firmly and there will be vibration?
If the plate is slightly thicker than gap between the top and bottom case, there will be large gap between the top bottom part when the board is assembled?
Even if the machining is perfect, but sandblasting and anodizing will still have an effect on the dimension.
Hmmmm. I am worried :rolleyes:
Do you not see the screw holes? It is mounted to the top the same way the LZ boards and the OTD boards are.
Edit:
If you have screwed the plate to the top part of the case, how are you going to screw the bottom half?
This is what I meant.
[attachimg=1]
What? You have LZ and OTD in your signature!
Post by: filphil on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:19:52
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:22:02
It looks like a screw will go from the bottom of the case through the plate and thread in to the top casing.Then that could be a problem. Hmmmm.
Especially when the plate is not held firmly by the top bottom of the case.
I really want this Mira and hope it will be good.
More
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Post by: filphil on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:31:15
Ninja is saying the mounting is like otd boards and I know you've had a few of those yourself. Were those issues present with your ownership of the otd keyboards?
Post by: yuktsi on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:40:03
I'm only going by the looks of it. It's possible that the prototype isn't 100% finished. In sure hubble and the gang have this under control. Ninja had multiple duck boards and hubble owned a 360c at one point.I am not sure about the older OTD and LZ, but none of my boards are mounted like that.
Ninja is saying the mounting is like otd boards and I know you've had a few of those yourself. Were those issues present with your ownership of the otd keyboards?
Perhaps ninja doc and hubble could show us more.
hmmmm
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:46:06
It looks like a screw will go from the bottom of the case through the plate and thread in to the top casing.Then that could be a problem. Hmmmm.
Especially when the plate is not held firmly by the top bottom of the case.
I really want this Mira and hope it will be good.More
After reviewing the Mira you are correct in the attachment. I will address this with DrHubble and get back with everyone.
Post by: filphil on Tue, 08 September 2015, 10:52:17
Post by: njbair on Tue, 08 September 2015, 13:44:42
It looks like a screw will go from the bottom of the case through the plate and thread in to the top casing.Then that could be a problem. Hmmmm.
Especially when the plate is not held firmly by the top bottom of the case.
I really want this Mira and hope it will be good.More
After reviewing the Mira you are correct in the attachment. I will address this with DrHubble and get back with everyone.
Nylon washers or rubber O-rings on either side of the plate would help fill any gaps.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 09 September 2015, 20:47:03
Hubble is assembling the prototype now and we'll know how it fits. The prototype has clear anodizing, cerakote i believe will be equivalent, powder coating will add a little more thickness to it.It looks like a screw will go from the bottom of the case through the plate and thread in to the top casing.Then that could be a problem. Hmmmm.
Especially when the plate is not held firmly by the top bottom of the case.
I really want this Mira and hope it will be good.More
After reviewing the Mira you are correct in the attachment. I will address this with DrHubble and get back with everyone.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 09 September 2015, 21:44:01
Post by: romevi on Wed, 09 September 2015, 21:49:00
So spoiler, the Mira is awesome, and there is 0 rattle in the plate. Im not completely done assembling, but yall are going to love it.
Can't wait!
Do you have a guesstimate on when the GB will open? Need to make sure I have enough room. I'm a little tight this month, but if it happens soon I can clear up some space...
Also, are we confirmed that Zealios will be part of this once it opens up? I'm ordering some Purple ones this month, but wanted to get some Zealio Clears on this board and wasn't sure whether I should order them now or wait 'til the Mira GB starts.
Post by: Binge on Wed, 09 September 2015, 22:31:12
/me hopes this works like Beetlejuice.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 09 September 2015, 22:32:10
Cyan... Cyan... Cyan...
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 09 September 2015, 23:49:08
Do you have a guesstimate on when the GB will open? Need to make sure I have enough room. I'm a little tight this month, but if it happens soon I can clear up some space...
I'm kinda hoping October.... I have 3 paychecks in October ;D
Post by: hoggy on Sat, 12 September 2015, 15:47:57
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 13 September 2015, 10:47:35
Do you have a guesstimate on when the GB will open? Need to make sure I have enough room. I'm a little tight this month, but if it happens soon I can clear up some space...
I'm kinda hoping October.... I have 3 paychecks in October ;D
Yeah, anyway to get a rough (or very rough) estimate on when the billing will start?
Post by: unipsykal on Sun, 13 September 2015, 21:50:15
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 15 September 2015, 05:12:25
Just curious if all the pre-order envelopes went out already.
Doesn't sound like they mean anything based on the fact that they went out to the wrong people
Post by: unipsykal on Tue, 15 September 2015, 09:18:58
Just curious if all the pre-order envelopes went out already.
Doesn't sound like they mean anything based on the fact that they went out to the wrong people
Ah, not a big deal. BTW the hoodie is keeping me warm while I stargaze :)
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:01:27
But without further ado, I present to you the Hubble Mira!
sorry i lost my card reader, so potatoes only for now :-[
(http://puu.sh/kciah/0e89259e88.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/kcibK/adccaa5027.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/kciaP/883039fbc7.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/kciUg/54a821fe64.jpg)
(http://puu.sh/kciV0/b164871948.jpg)
okay so here is my unbiased review of the Mira prototype:
things that are great:
- Its undeniably beautiful, i had friends stop by and without knowing what it was thought it was awesome
- The weight is perfect. Not too heavy, not too light.
- The pcb and plate fit great and mount securly to the case
- There is no rattle or shaking in the plate when installed
things that will be fixed:
- The blockers are too tall, so i had to mutilate a couple shift keycaps. Easy fix.
- Minor spacing issues with the escape and left control keys
- USB hole is not large enough and is slightly too far right (about a mm)
- the screw threads are not deep enough on the weight, another easy fix
- The anodizing on the board was done poorly, we have already chosen a different shop, so no worries here
I hope you are excited as I am! Once we confirm the fixes with the shop and nail down our coating options I will announce a start date for the GB!
As far as anodizing we have located a company that has given us very fair prices with the ability to create custom options. Essentialy how it will probably work is that there will be no charge for base colors (Gold, black, blue, green, red, violet, bronze, blue pewter, and titanium), and if there are 10 or more people who want a custom color, they can pay a small amount and we will get it made. Ninjadoc has samples from this shop, so you can see when he posts them what it should look like.
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:03:35
It looks so sharp with Zealios.
Post by: Sifo on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:04:32
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:09:42
Okay sorry for disapearing for a bit. I have been busy with a lot of stuff lately.
But without further ado, I present to you the Hubble Mira!
sorry i lost my card reader, so potatoes only for now :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciah/0e89259e88.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kcibK/adccaa5027.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciaP/883039fbc7.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciUg/54a821fe64.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciV0/b164871948.jpg)
It's outta this world.
Post by: sncbraxsc2 on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:19:09
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:31:12
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 15 September 2015, 12:45:54
couple questions -
1. can we round the blockers to the same radius as the base? seems like those 90 degree corners could be problematic
2. is it possible to get a blank (non-anodized) case?
3. are we any closer to nailing down a price?
looks beautiful! can't wait for the GB to start. thanks again for all your hard work
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:31:55
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:56:47
...those shifts...seriously? :confused: Wellp that's one less set of RA2.0 out there, guys.
Well i didnt pay an outragous amount of money for a prototype that nobody could even use! It is the only keyset I had on hand so the sacrifice had to be made. Its nothing personal :p
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:57:38
...those shifts...seriously? :confused: Wellp that's one less set of RA2.0 out there, guys.
Well i didnt pay an outragous amount of money for a prototype that nobody could even use! It is the only keyset I had on hand so the sacrifice had to be made. Its nothing personal :p
Shoulda bought a Tai Hao set or something, man! :O
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 15 September 2015, 13:58:29
I dont have money to spend on that right now :))...those shifts...seriously? :confused: Wellp that's one less set of RA2.0 out there, guys.
Well i didnt pay an outragous amount of money for a prototype that nobody could even use! It is the only keyset I had on hand so the sacrifice had to be made. Its nothing personal :p
Shoulda bought a Tai Hao set or something, man! :O
Post by: joey on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:10:44
Post by: asgeirtj on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:12:20
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 15 September 2015, 14:15:19
Or just put 1u keys there :P
Yes, yes, hubbles dumb. Lets just move on to the more important stuff please :p
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 15 September 2015, 15:29:27
Which company did you end up going for the agonizing?
Post by: filphil on Tue, 15 September 2015, 15:37:59
Very excited about this board, the prototype looks amazing! Great Job!!!
Which company did you end up going for the agonizing?
I laughed more than I should have
Post by: romevi on Tue, 15 September 2015, 15:45:37
Very excited about this board, the prototype looks amazing! Great Job!!!
Which company did you end up going for the agonizing?
I laughed more than I should have
Well, with the torture those Shift caps suffered...
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 15 September 2015, 16:06:12
Very excited about this board, the prototype looks amazing! Great Job!!!
Which company did you end up going for the agonizing?
I laughed more than I should have
An unintentional funny, I love autocracy.
Post by: hoggy on Wed, 16 September 2015, 19:56:35
How much does the keyboard weigh, now that's all together?
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:07:07
red
(http://i.imgur.com/8RBGg78.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/8RBGg78.jpg)
black
(http://i.imgur.com/7etqBxD.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/7etqBxD.jpg)
blue
(http://i.imgur.com/zkllffV.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/zkllffV.jpg)
violet
(http://i.imgur.com/bISKmcZ.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/bISKmcZ.jpg)
green
(http://i.imgur.com/aZrMGGs.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aZrMGGs.jpg)
gold
(http://i.imgur.com/lUNrufj.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/lUNrufj.jpg?1)
clear
(http://i.imgur.com/PBqCA7f.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/PBqCA7f.jpg?1)
pewter
(http://i.imgur.com/MdaTup0.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/MdaTup0.jpg?1)
Comparison of clear and pewter
(http://i.imgur.com/VmNQyds.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/VmNQyds.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/jDe9ZPz.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jDe9ZPz.jpg)
There is no extra charge for these colors. Custom colors are available but will require an additionial fee and a MOQ of 5 boards.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:11:21
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:17:25
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:18:21
DrHubblePhd,
How much does the keyboard weigh, now that's all together?
If DrHubble had to sacrifice the shift keys from a RA 2.0 set what do you think the odds of him having a scale in his dorm room is? I weighed it before I shipped the prototype to him.
To give you an idea the board weighed 4 lbs , 14 ounces without plate, PCB, switches. I just weighed a built, stainless steel plated lightsaver PCB with switches, LED's, and keycaps which weighed 22 ounces.So it will weigh less than 6 lbs 4 ounces.
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:19:28
Post by: Jokrik on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:42:17
I suspect that violet will be a big hit. ;D
+1
or PINK! :D
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:45:23
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:45:52
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:46:16
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:55:33
I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Post by: Data on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:57:30
I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though. :P
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:57:45
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 16 September 2015, 20:57:46
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:08:42
I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though. :P
If i remember correct, although i dont know prices, it should be less than coating a gun.
Second - the cerakote place. I was impressed. So much so they have one of my keyboards to cerakote and in a week or so we will know what cerakote looks like on a keyboard. http://www.cerakoteguncoatings.com/finishes/ These are the colors that are available and you can read about cerakote on that site. Apparently there is a two week course in Oregon that you take in order to be "certified" in the application of cerakote. This is a small shop and he is willing to work with us on this. He can use a base color and fill in the engraving of the "Mira" with a different color. In reference to MythicalWagu's post the cost is less than coating a gun (remember they have to disassemble the gun, coat all the pieces, and reassemble it). It is durable, only 1 - 3 millionths of an inch thick,normally doesn't chip and is scratch resistant.
Not sure if this is still true or if things have changed.
Post by: strict on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:35:12
Okay sorry for disapearing for a bit. I have been busy with a lot of stuff lately.
But without further ado, I present to you the Hubble Mira!
sorry i lost my card reader, so potatoes only for now :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciah/0e89259e88.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kcibK/adccaa5027.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciaP/883039fbc7.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciUg/54a821fe64.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciV0/b164871948.jpg)
okay so here is my unbiased review of the Mira prototype:
things that are great:
- Its undeniably beautiful, i had friends stop by and without knowing what it was thought it was awesome
- The weight is perfect. Not too heavy, not too light.
- The pcb and plate fit great and mount securly to the case
- There is no rattle or shaking in the plate when installed
things that will be fixed:
- The blockers are too tall, so i had to mutilate a couple shift keycaps. Easy fix.
- Minor spacing issues with the escape and left control keys
- USB hole is not large enough and is slightly too far right (about a mm)
- the screw threads are not deep enough on the weight, another easy fix
- The anodizing on the board was done poorly, we have already chosen a different shop, so no worries here
I hope you are excited as I am! Once we confirm the fixes with the shop and nail down our coating options I will announce a start date for the GB!
As far as anodizing we have located a company that has given us very fair prices with the ability to create custom options. Essentialy how it will probably work is that there will be no charge for base colors (Gold, black, blue, green, red, violet, bronze, blue pewter, and titanium), and if there are 10 or more people who want a custom color, they can pay a small amount and we will get it made. Ninjadoc has samples from this shop, so you can see when he posts them what it should look like.
Damn! That thing is gorgeous! I'm sincerely debating liquidating some of my keys to be able to pick up an ANSI 150 Mira ...
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:49:39
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 16 September 2015, 21:57:37
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Post by: Sed8op8 on Wed, 16 September 2015, 22:00:50
Depending on the extra, i would be more interested in a dark grey / gun metal color.same thoughts here cotton depending on extra gunmetal/dark grey would be my first color choice !
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 16 September 2015, 22:14:00
Depending on the extra, i would be more interested in a dark grey / gun metal color.same thoughts here cotton depending on extra gunmetal/dark grey would be my first color choice !
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Me as well!
Post by: Binge on Thu, 17 September 2015, 00:29:52
Post by: Bucky on Thu, 17 September 2015, 00:43:17
Post by: 64rky on Thu, 17 September 2015, 05:16:22
Depending on the extra, i would be more interested in a dark grey / gun metal color.same thoughts here cotton depending on extra gunmetal/dark grey would be my first color choice !
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Me as well!
Oo, if we go down that route, I am in for dark grey or gun metal as well!
Post by: archer on Thu, 17 September 2015, 09:41:45
Depending on the extra, i would be more interested in a dark grey / gun metal color.same thoughts here cotton depending on extra gunmetal/dark grey would be my first color choice !
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Depending on the extra, i would be more interested in a dark grey / gun metal color.same thoughts here cotton depending on extra gunmetal/dark grey would be my first color choice !
Also still wanting to here about the cerakote and how much it might be to get that done!
Me as well!
I'm throwing down bank. Cerakote dank gray or gunmetal.
+1... I'm all about dat gunmetal gray or cerakote gray as well!
Post by: asgeirtj on Thu, 17 September 2015, 12:19:18
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 17 September 2015, 13:21:51
Isn't clear what most resembles the color of the prototype? And clear = light gray and pewter = dark gray?
The prototype is simply anodized clear. Basically a clear coat of anodizing of the metal to make it harder. Remember though it is a poor anodizing job and the prototype was incompletely covered. also - what you get in you get out. Smooth finish, smooth anodizing. Machine marks, machine marks show in the anodizing. Bead or sand blast, you get the way most of our boards look with a "matte-like" finish. The dog-tag examples are smooth, glossy tags of aluminum - thus glossy , shiny results.
Post by: hoggy on Thu, 17 September 2015, 23:10:08
Thanks!DrHubblePhd,
How much does the keyboard weigh, now that's all together?
If DrHubble had to sacrifice the shift keys from a RA 2.0 set what do you think the odds of him having a scale in his dorm room is? I weighed it before I shipped the prototype to him.
To give you an idea the board weighed 4 lbs , 14 ounces without plate, PCB, switches. I just weighed a built, stainless steel plated lightsaver PCB with switches, LED's, and keycaps which weighed 22 ounces.So it will weigh less than 6 lbs 4 ounces.
Post by: VinnyCordeiro on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:01:44
DrHubblePhd,
How much does the keyboard weigh, now that's all together?
If DrHubble had to sacrifice the shift keys from a RA 2.0 set what do you think the odds of him having a scale in his dorm room is? I weighed it before I shipped the prototype to him.
To give you an idea the board weighed 4 lbs , 14 ounces without plate, PCB, switches. I just weighed a built, stainless steel plated lightsaver PCB with switches, LED's, and keycaps which weighed 22 ounces.So it will weigh less than 6 lbs 4 ounces.
Or 2.8 kg for those of us who uses the metric system (just about all other countries of the world).
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:28:07
I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though. :p
It is not north of $200 unless you go crazy. Cost is about $100 if a single color, cerakote would be about $35 a bottle additionial if it is a color he doesn't stock. If there is 5 or more you wouldn't have to pay for the cerakote. It might be less but that is the price I would plan on to start. I would have to talk to Hubble to see what the board cost would be if it wasn't anodized.
My board had messed up aluminum from the reanosizing and didn't cerakote well. The poor guy tried 5 times and still is unhappy with the result. I'm going to pick it up today and try to leave another one with him that hasn't been touched. I'm not sure if he will do it since my board was such a screwed up piece of junk.
Until we know how many and what changes would have to be done to correct the issues of the prototype I can't give a cost on what the board is to make. I can tell you be happy I'm not working by the hour on this thing or it would be bad. It truly takes a lot of time to design (Hubble), arrange production, correct issues (Hubble),get PCB made (Frosty, Zeal, Hubble) and arrange coatings for this. I can only imagine what sorting, packing, shipping, and soldering of the PCB's will be like. We are trying but real life gets in the way and jobs that are scheduled by the companies we are getting things done by prolongs the wait.
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:35:26
I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though. :p
It is not north of $200 unless you go crazy. Cost is about $100 if a single color, cerakote would be about $35 a bottle additionial if it is a color he doesn't stock. If there is 5 or more you wouldn't have to pay for the cerakote. It might be less but that is the price I would plan on to start. I would have to talk to Hubble to see what the board cost would be if it wasn't anodized.
My board had messed up aluminum from the reanosizing and didn't cerakote well. The poor guy tried 5 times and still is unhappy with the result. I'm going to pick it up today and try to leave another one with him that hasn't been touched. I'm not sure if he will do it since my board was such a screwed up piece of junk.
Until we know how many and what changes would have to be done to correct the issues of the prototype I can't give a cost on what the board is to make. I can tell you be happy I'm not working by the hour on this thing or it would be bad. It truly takes a lot of time to design (Hubble), arrange production, correct issues (Hubble),get PCB made (Frosty, Zeal, Hubble) and arrange coatings for this. I can only imagine what sorting, packing, shipping, and soldering of the PCB's will be like. We are trying but real life gets in the way and jobs that are scheduled by the companies we are getting things done by prolongs the wait.
This is why people who join this GB need to straighten their expectation
This is a community driven project, don't try to demand things which puts pressure on the organizer. Want something instant, get an OEM keyboard
I've seen so many GB lately which went out of hand due to the organizer being overload, keep the drama out and the technicality more
Getting a 100% well made product is better than getting something half done due to time demand
tips how to join GB:
Throw your money and forget about it. Keep faith :D
I've the switches, springs and keyset ordered for this ;D
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:35:38
Isn't clear what most resembles the color of the prototype? And clear = light gray and pewter = dark gray?
Prototype - clear. That is simply the color of aluminum.
Pewter - like a light grey with a tinge of copper, I will try to find a good example later to day.
Post by: Sed8op8 on Fri, 18 September 2015, 08:59:42
This times a million Jokirk....! As long as the GB organizer does the best they can to update and keep things transparent (within reason) I feel people need to reevaluate there expectations and really think about the process before plunking down there money. It's a 2 way street between organizer and GB participant and I think communication and reasonable expectations are what separates failed and successful GBs. Ninjadoc you have been really on point on updating this thread and thank you for all your hardwork. Even though this GB has experienced some hiccups the feedback from the organizers has been great (IMO) and reassuring that its in good hands.I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though. :p
It is not north of $200 unless you go crazy. Cost is about $100 if a single color, cerakote would be about $35 a bottle additionial if it is a color he doesn't stock. If there is 5 or more you wouldn't have to pay for the cerakote. It might be less but that is the price I would plan on to start. I would have to talk to Hubble to see what the board cost would be if it wasn't anodized.
My board had messed up aluminum from the reanosizing and didn't cerakote well. The poor guy tried 5 times and still is unhappy with the result. I'm going to pick it up today and try to leave another one with him that hasn't been touched. I'm not sure if he will do it since my board was such a screwed up piece of junk.
Until we know how many and what changes would have to be done to correct the issues of the prototype I can't give a cost on what the board is to make. I can tell you be happy I'm not working by the hour on this thing or it would be bad. It truly takes a lot of time to design (Hubble), arrange production, correct issues (Hubble),get PCB made (Frosty, Zeal, Hubble) and arrange coatings for this. I can only imagine what sorting, packing, shipping, and soldering of the PCB's will be like. We are trying but real life gets in the way and jobs that are scheduled by the companies we are getting things done by prolongs the wait.
This is why people who join this GB need to straighten their expectation
This is a community driven project, don't try to demand things which puts pressure on the organizer. Want something instant, get an OEM keyboard
I've seen so many GB lately which went out of hand due to the organizer being overload, keep the drama out and the technicality more
Getting a 100% well made product is better than getting something half done due to time demand
tips how to join GB:
Throw your money and forget about it. Keep faith :D
I've the switches, springs and keyset ordered for this ;D
:thumb:
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 18 September 2015, 09:27:34
Im confused. I thought switches will be part of this GB? Should I be purchasing my own?I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though.
It is not north of $200 unless you go crazy. Cost is about $100 if a single color, cerakote would be about $35 a bottle additionial if it is a color he doesn't stock. If there is 5 or more you wouldn't have to pay for the cerakote. It might be less but that is the price I would plan on to start. I would have to talk to Hubble to see what the board cost would be if it wasn't anodized.
My board had messed up aluminum from the reanosizing and didn't cerakote well. The poor guy tried 5 times and still is unhappy with the result. I'm going to pick it up today and try to leave another one with him that hasn't been touched. I'm not sure if he will do it since my board was such a screwed up piece of junk.
Until we know how many and what changes would have to be done to correct the issues of the prototype I can't give a cost on what the board is to make. I can tell you be happy I'm not working by the hour on this thing or it would be bad. It truly takes a lot of time to design (Hubble), arrange production, correct issues (Hubble),get PCB made (Frosty, Zeal, Hubble) and arrange coatings for this. I can only imagine what sorting, packing, shipping, and soldering of the PCB's will be like. We are trying but real life gets in the way and jobs that are scheduled by the companies we are getting things done by prolongs the wait.
This is why people who join this GB need to straighten their expectation
This is a community driven project, don't try to demand things which puts pressure on the organizer. Want something instant, get an OEM keyboard
I've seen so many GB lately which went out of hand due to the organizer being overload, keep the drama out and the technicality more
Getting a 100% well made product is better than getting something half done due to time demand
tips how to join GB:
Throw your money and forget about it. Keep faith :D
I've the switches, springs and keyset ordered for this ;D
Post by: romevi on Fri, 18 September 2015, 09:34:37
Im confused. I thought switches will be part of this GB? Should I be purchasing my own?I think the pewter is what I will go for. Has the cerakote idea been ditched?
The cost is significantly more than anodizing. I haven't discussed it with Hubble on offering it. I want to see what my keyboard looks like before I encourage or discourage cerakote. I will say I got my keyboard in a pearlescent/ color changing cerakote which probably wasn't the best choice for evaluating it as an option for this group buy.
Like north of $200? I know it's already expensive for rifles. I can only imagine what a place would charge for keyboards, assuming they would even entertain the job.
It's pretty much the ultimate end-game coating though.
It is not north of $200 unless you go crazy. Cost is about $100 if a single color, cerakote would be about $35 a bottle additionial if it is a color he doesn't stock. If there is 5 or more you wouldn't have to pay for the cerakote. It might be less but that is the price I would plan on to start. I would have to talk to Hubble to see what the board cost would be if it wasn't anodized.
My board had messed up aluminum from the reanosizing and didn't cerakote well. The poor guy tried 5 times and still is unhappy with the result. I'm going to pick it up today and try to leave another one with him that hasn't been touched. I'm not sure if he will do it since my board was such a screwed up piece of junk.
Until we know how many and what changes would have to be done to correct the issues of the prototype I can't give a cost on what the board is to make. I can tell you be happy I'm not working by the hour on this thing or it would be bad. It truly takes a lot of time to design (Hubble), arrange production, correct issues (Hubble),get PCB made (Frosty, Zeal, Hubble) and arrange coatings for this. I can only imagine what sorting, packing, shipping, and soldering of the PCB's will be like. We are trying but real life gets in the way and jobs that are scheduled by the companies we are getting things done by prolongs the wait.
This is why people who join this GB need to straighten their expectation
This is a community driven project, don't try to demand things which puts pressure on the organizer. Want something instant, get an OEM keyboard
I've seen so many GB lately which went out of hand due to the organizer being overload, keep the drama out and the technicality more
Getting a 100% well made product is better than getting something half done due to time demand
tips how to join GB:
Throw your money and forget about it. Keep faith :D
I've the switches, springs and keyset ordered for this ;D
Pretty sure Zealios are an option, but that's it.
But who isn't going to put Zealios in the Mira?
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 18 September 2015, 09:38:13
Im confused. I thought switches will be part of this GB? Should I be purchasing my own?
Pretty sure Zealios are an option, but that's it.
But who isn't going to put Zealios in the Mira?
Oh no, I can't stand tactile
Only can go clicky or vintage blacks so I've to buy them separately
Post by: Zeal on Fri, 18 September 2015, 10:51:15
Im confused. I thought switches will be part of this GB? Should I be purchasing my own?
Pretty sure Zealios are an option, but that's it.
But who isn't going to put Zealios in the Mira?
Oh no, I can't stand tactile
Only can go clicky or vintage blacks so I've to buy them separately
*guilt trips Jokrik to get linear clear Zealios (psst, they're smoother)
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 18 September 2015, 11:51:48
I am interested in cool copper/rose gold tone, but I've not found a good dye for it yet. Kind of like this:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/89/89/94/8989946c6bcccbbba5ff9044ca84ff8b.jpg)
I've loved the raw shiny pink copper color ever since I saw it on my first visit to Arizona--there are copper foundries there, and also lots of random copper goods and jewelry in museum shops. If that's not possible, I'd go with pewter.
. . .
The "brilliant" finish looks kind of brushed? That'd be cool too in place of sand blasted. I assume the machine shop is doing the same finish for everything though, which would be sand blasted.
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 18 September 2015, 15:55:53
I'll be orderingIm confused. I thought switches will be part of this GB? Should I be purchasing my own?
Pretty sure Zealios are an option, but that's it.
But who isn't going to put Zealios in the Mira?
Oh no, I can't stand tactile
Only can go clicky or vintage blacks so I've to buy them separately
*guilt trips Jokrik to get linear clear Zealios (psst, they're smoother)
I only need that much from you to be sold :)
Post by: MrMen on Fri, 18 September 2015, 17:26:37
At the moment and for few months I won't be able to afford this awesome board. As It seems I have 26, if anyone is interested in taking my reservation PM me. I'll also contact Dr. In order to make things clean.
I'm really sad, but I can't do it differently priority must be reordered.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 18 September 2015, 22:32:23
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 18 September 2015, 23:45:04
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 18 September 2015, 23:47:47
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 19 September 2015, 01:07:03
Cerakote is OUT! Guy tried on my board five times and was unable to get a finish he was happy with. I had another board I brought in and he doesn't want to try another one. He spent to much time and money and was unable to get a finish that any of us would want on our desk. Sorry guys, he tried and I was really excited about the possibility but it was unsuccessful.Bummer. Well the effort is appreciated. Good to know what works and what doesn't. At least you guys found an anodizing shop.
Post by: hoggy on Sat, 19 September 2015, 03:08:58
Post by: Evo_Spec on Sat, 19 September 2015, 06:14:26
That is a shame. Sort of odd how cerakote can be done on something so large and intricate as many guns are but cerakote didn't quite work out on a keyboard.
I wonder why? steel vs aluminum? type or steel/aluminum?
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 19 September 2015, 06:32:26
Cerakote is OUT! Guy tried on my board five times and was unable to get a finish he was happy with. I had another board I brought in and he doesn't want to try another one. He spent to much time and money and was unable to get a finish that any of us would want on our desk. Sorry guys, he tried and I was really excited about the possibility but it was unsuccessful.
I'm convinced it was the board. The shop didn't want to try after 5 tries. He was upset and hated to turn the money down. I offered to pay for the supplies but he wouldn't accept it. I understood why he wouldn't because he is a small shop but I really liked him and his product. The thing I wasn't sure about was that he sandblasts everything to clean him and prepare it for coating. With the aluminum it gives a very rough, textured feel. On my keyboard the surface felt like sand which was obviously a product of the sandblasting. It only felt like that on a few of the gun stocks that are obviously plastic and would deform more due to sand blasting. The aluminum of my keyboard was obviously more impacted by the sandblasting. Water and acetone beaded up and ran off everything else he cerakoted that he showed me. On the keyboard it seemed to soak in but the bad part it rubbed off which should not happen. I first noted it when I set it on the counter and it scratched. We tried rubbing the scratch, you could feel it, and the cerakote seemed to rub off with his finger. I suggested acetone and it rubbed off in places. He's been through the training course at the company that produces cerakote and certifies applicators, and has done this for a living for 5 years and has never had that happen. He was very frustrate and felt it as a challenge and spent a lot of time and money on the board and really was afraid to try it on any other product like it. The board is made of 6061 T6 aluminum which is a standard aluminum so I have no explanation of the difficulties. I'm trying powder coating now so I can at least use the board.
Post by: Data on Sat, 19 September 2015, 16:11:47
That is a shame. Sort of odd how cerakote can be done on something so large and intricate as many guns are but cerakote didn't quite work out on a keyboard.
I wonder why? steel vs aluminum? type or steel/aluminum?
AR15 receivers are typically 7000-series forged or milled aluminum. They take cerakote without any problems. The coating doesn't really care as much about surface material. Many guys cerakote their polymer stocks and grips.
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 20 September 2015, 10:02:14
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 20 September 2015, 20:24:28
That is a shame. Sort of odd how cerakote can be done on something so large and intricate as many guns are but cerakote didn't quite work out on a keyboard.
I wonder why? steel vs aluminum? type or steel/aluminum?
AR15 receivers are typically 7000-series forged or milled aluminum. They take cerakote without any problems. The coating doesn't really care as much about surface material. Many guys cerakote their polymer stocks and grips.
I can safely say the cerakote did care about the material in this instance. I would have wondered if it was defective cerakote but ---he tried 5 different times with diffrerent colors to see if he could figure out the issue. If he had called me after the first or second time I would have asked him to stop which would have diminished his frustration and expense. I think it was the board and what had been done to it in the past but we don't need to get this thread derailed discussing that because it doesn't change the fact that cerakote is off the table. If you want to discuss it with me via PM's that's fine, but lets leave the thread for the Mira and what we are doing to get a good product out for all of us.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 20 September 2015, 20:28:43
Won't this board have some kind of rubber stands at the bottom? To keep it in place?
I think something like these ( https://www.thehardwarehut.com/catalog-product.php?p_ref=259853 )will be included but I can't say that with 100% certainty.
Post by: Data on Sun, 20 September 2015, 20:51:02
I think it was the board and what had been done to it in the past but we don't need to get this thread derailed discussing that because it doesn't change the fact that cerakote is off the table.
I didn't mean to imply otherwise. More than happy to continue with anodizing.
Post by: myotherteeshirt on Thu, 24 September 2015, 07:45:21
Can i still get in on this?
Post by: diqkiq on Thu, 24 September 2015, 10:42:06
Hi there!You can. Under the the OP, you will see a link for late comers.
Can i still get in on this?
Post by: justnits on Thu, 24 September 2015, 22:37:43
Okay sorry for disapearing for a bit. I have been busy with a lot of stuff lately.
But without further ado, I present to you the Hubble Mira!
sorry i lost my card reader, so potatoes only for now :-[Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciah/0e89259e88.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kcibK/adccaa5027.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciaP/883039fbc7.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciUg/54a821fe64.jpg)Show Image(http://puu.sh/kciV0/b164871948.jpg)
okay so here is my unbiased review of the Mira prototype:
things that are great:
- Its undeniably beautiful, i had friends stop by and without knowing what it was thought it was awesome
- The weight is perfect. Not too heavy, not too light.
- The pcb and plate fit great and mount securly to the case
- There is no rattle or shaking in the plate when installed
things that will be fixed:
- The blockers are too tall, so i had to mutilate a couple shift keycaps. Easy fix.
- Minor spacing issues with the escape and left control keys
- USB hole is not large enough and is slightly too far right (about a mm)
- the screw threads are not deep enough on the weight, another easy fix
- The anodizing on the board was done poorly, we have already chosen a different shop, so no worries here
I hope you are excited as I am! Once we confirm the fixes with the shop and nail down our coating options I will announce a start date for the GB!
As far as anodizing we have located a company that has given us very fair prices with the ability to create custom options. Essentialy how it will probably work is that there will be no charge for base colors (Gold, black, blue, green, red, violet, bronze, blue pewter, and titanium), and if there are 10 or more people who want a custom color, they can pay a small amount and we will get it made. Ninjadoc has samples from this shop, so you can see when he posts them what it should look like.
I'm not too sure if you have tested out the prototype with other keycaps such as DSA, SA and Cherry profile keycaps as these keycaps have sharp edge at the bottom.
I noticed the top case curves especially on the insert pgdown clusters, arrow clusters, and the right control, where the corner of the keycaps are very close to the case.
granted that the DCS profile keycaps works without much issue since it has a curve edge at it's bottom.
But my concern goes towards sharp edges keycaps such as the ones mentioned above. I can only estimate as much as what I can see from the picture here. On a separate case, one of CMStorm's latest keyboard has issue with DSA keycaps hitting the corner of the inner case, but Cherry profile keycap has no issue because when compared, the DSA keycaps has a slightly larger bottom edge.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 26 September 2015, 22:34:07
Anyway, thanks!
Post by: asgeirtj on Sun, 27 September 2015, 11:21:42
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:02:40
Post by: romevi on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:04:56
DrHubble is dealing with the sudden death of two friends at school so updates are delayed until he is back to working on the Mira. Sorry. If I find out anything about the current status I will let everyone know.As someone who's had a college friend pass away suddenly, I can imagine the pain he's going through, except double.
My condolences.
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 29 September 2015, 09:21:40
DrHubble is dealing with the sudden death of two friends at school so updates are delayed until he is back to working on the Mira. Sorry. If I find out anything about the current status I will let everyone know.
Damn sorry to hear that - my condolences go out to you hubble
Post by: tribade on Tue, 29 September 2015, 11:18:56
DrHubble is dealing with the sudden death of two friends at school so updates are delayed until he is back to working on the Mira. Sorry. If I find out anything about the current status I will let everyone know.
That's truly horrible. I remember dealing with the sudden death of a friend in college and obviously it was an incredibly difficult time. All our thoughts are going out to him.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Tue, 29 September 2015, 12:35:10
DrHubble is dealing with the sudden death of two friends at school so updates are delayed until he is back to working on the Mira. Sorry. If I find out anything about the current status I will let everyone know.
That is awful. My condolences.
Post by: fi0x on Thu, 01 October 2015, 06:49:51
My grandmother passed away 2 years ago... I still can't believe she is gone. It can feel unreal sometimes.
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Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 01 October 2015, 09:57:49
Best wishes go out to him and those affected by this tragic event.
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 06 October 2015, 05:58:58
My deepest condolences to Dr, the family and friends
RIP
Post by: Evo_Spec on Tue, 06 October 2015, 11:05:24
Hope you're doing okay.
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 06 October 2015, 13:26:28
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 06 October 2015, 15:30:56
Post by: livingspeedbump on Tue, 06 October 2015, 15:32:08
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Tue, 06 October 2015, 15:55:17
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 06 October 2015, 15:57:36
Update to come... please stand by, we are close to launch
Good news! Glad to see you back Doctor. :thumb:
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 06 October 2015, 16:21:57
Update to come... please stand by, we are close to launchCool
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 06 October 2015, 18:05:21
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 07 October 2015, 02:50:28
Update to come... please stand by, we are close to launch
Glad to see you back Dr :)
Post by: filphil on Wed, 07 October 2015, 07:41:26
Update to come... please stand by, we are close to launch
HE SAID LAUNCH GUYS. :))
I'll see myself out now. Sorry.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Thu, 08 October 2015, 12:03:09
Post by: theanyday on Thu, 08 October 2015, 18:30:56
Gave spot #13 to Binge.
:'(
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 09 October 2015, 03:49:47
There will be more on the actual gb if I'm not wrong, unless you want that no 13Gave spot #13 to Binge.
:'(
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 09 October 2015, 09:17:25
There will be more on the actual gb if I'm not wrong, unless you want that no 13Gave spot #13 to Binge.
:'(
I think it was more that the first 57 people got free gold stabs, custom numbering on the case weight, and you get your board before anybody else.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 10 October 2015, 16:50:18
Post by: slushi on Wed, 14 October 2015, 12:00:34
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 14 October 2015, 14:40:52
I'll be giving away a Mira shirt (Medium) and a Mira Hoodie (also Medium) sometime soon.
So for those of you interested (and have placed a pre-order) just reply here and I'll select someone.
Not sure if I should do a giveaway for each or do a giveaway for both. Let me know what you guys think.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 14 October 2015, 15:37:07
I keep forgetting but
I'll be giving away a Mira shirt (Medium) and a Mira Hoodie (also Medium) sometime soon.
So for those of you interested (and have placed a pre-order) just reply here and I'll select someone.
Not sure if I should do a giveaway for each or do a giveaway for both. Let me know what you guys think.
Do it separate to share the MIRA love around - I'd be happy to chip into the extra shipping cost for whoever wins given your incredible generosity :thumb:
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 14 October 2015, 17:10:42
I keep forgetting but
I'll be giving away a Mira shirt (Medium) and a Mira Hoodie (also Medium) sometime soon.
So for those of you interested (and have placed a pre-order) just reply here and I'll select someone.
Not sure if I should do a giveaway for each or do a giveaway for both. Let me know what you guys think.
nice! i missed out on the swag train first time around
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 14 October 2015, 18:31:10
I keep forgetting but
I'll be giving away a Mira shirt (Medium) and a Mira Hoodie (also Medium) sometime soon.
So for those of you interested (and have placed a pre-order) just reply here and I'll select someone.
Not sure if I should do a giveaway for each or do a giveaway for both. Let me know what you guys think.
Oooh I'm interested! Didn't want to drop that much on some clothes at that point. I'm all for a giveaway for both so two people are happy, but its extra work/money for you :(
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 14 October 2015, 19:03:53
So i guess here's the form (Made it quickly since i'm starting a midterm right now)
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1w6JaHyacXH2uRB4gIrzVnjscR3OzUNZ5w7sSBDLfqNA/viewform?usp=send_form
Hopefully everything's okay with the form.
Post by: Cottonsox on Wed, 14 October 2015, 19:49:09
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:08:25
So after talking to the manufacturer, it looks like we are going to need some big numbers to make the Mira happen. It will be a challenge to hit the necessary units, but damn it were going to try :p
Im hoping ninjadoc can fill you in on the finalized list of anodizing options. After we get a pricing scheme worked out I will set a day for the launch of the group buy.
More info to come.
-Hubble
Post by: Binge on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:11:48
I keep forgetting but
I'll be giving away a Mira shirt (Medium) and a Mira Hoodie (also Medium) sometime soon.
So for those of you interested (and have placed a pre-order) just reply here and I'll select someone.
Not sure if I should do a giveaway for each or do a giveaway for both. Let me know what you guys think.
I would be V-interested. Count me in.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:16:29
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:19:53
this IC is like one, long teaser. Doc, if this project does not meet MOQ, can we please talk about at least having the first 57 made, even if that means a higher price point?
I never said we would just give up if the MOQ wasnt made. We have developed a trust with our current CNC shop, if we can go through them we would like to. If not, we find a different shop and try again. :thumb:
We are going to get it made.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:27:11
this IC is like one, long teaser. Doc, if this project does not meet MOQ, can we please talk about at least having the first 57 made, even if that means a higher price point?
I never said we would just give up if the MOQ wasnt made. We have developed a trust with our current CNC shop, if we can go through them we would like to. If not, we find a different shop and try again. :thumb:
We are going to get it made.
good to hear. I'm in
Post by: slushi on Thu, 15 October 2015, 11:41:35
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 October 2015, 19:49:41
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 17 October 2015, 14:57:39
Post by: ccc24 on Sat, 17 October 2015, 15:00:36
Post by: aznairjordan on Sat, 17 October 2015, 18:38:16
Post by: Bucky on Sat, 17 October 2015, 23:54:19
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 00:06:52
Yea. I dont mind paying the cost of shipping. Not a problem.
So i guess here's the form (Made it quickly since i'm starting a midterm right now)
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/1w6JaHyacXH2uRB4gIrzVnjscR3OzUNZ5w7sSBDLfqNA/viewform?usp=send_form
Hopefully everything's okay with the form.
Ends tomorrow.
Post by: Firebolt1914 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 10:52:53
Post by: aznairjordan on Sun, 18 October 2015, 11:39:35
Hmm, I'm not sure if I should go for this GB, or go for the 77 key Model F GB...
or both? :D
Post by: Giorgio on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:36:08
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 18 October 2015, 14:42:27
This is very nice.
I'm sorry if I didn't go through 30 pages of comments... but I would like to ask:
- iso compatible?
- why no standard bottom row?
- is it possible to have a non engraved top plate?
- is it compatible with gon or winkeyless pcb?
- does it need a plate?
- will the aluminium be anodized? Otherwise it will become opaque very soon
- what inclination does it have? It seems much more than a pok3r...
-PCB has iso. Plate doesn't have iso.
-winkey/winkeyless is more or less pretty standard. However, the PCB still supports the "standard" bottom row. All high end custom keyboards tend to use the bottom row you see here for compatibility with original Cherry keycaps.
-this has been asked many times and the answer is: do you have piles of cash lying around?
-No. Even though this is a PCB from winkeyless the usb has been changed to the left side instead of the right and the f row has been moved up.
-Yes. The plate is what screws into the case. Without that the PCB cannot be mounted.
-Anodizing is required or else the aluminum would conduct electricity and cause issues. This is a given.
-9 degrees.
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:08:07
It's pending boys
Post by: aznairjordan on Sun, 18 October 2015, 20:38:23
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
may I ask what it is?
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:14:48
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
may I ask what it is?
Finally got my hands on a real force... I am enlightened :)
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:21:38
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
Post by: ika on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:26:22
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
he already sold Red Alert and an 456GT (!) in what I assume was a clearance after he got that Realforce... and now this.
I have been eyeing Mira the past couple of months. Is there a projected timeframe for completion yet? It sounds like the prototype is is pretty much hammered down and ready to go to full production after the GB phase ends. About how long will that take? Also will I be able to modify order details (i.e. switch to 87-key, change anodizing color details, etc) if I pick this up?
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 18 October 2015, 21:37:36
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
he already sold Red Alert and an 456GT (!) in what I assume was a clearance after he got that Realforce... and now this.
I have been eyeing Mira the past couple of months. Is there a projected timeframe for completion yet? It sounds like the prototype is is pretty much hammered down and ready to go to full production after the GB phase ends. About how long will that take? Also will I be able to modify order details (i.e. switch to 87-key, change anodizing color details, etc) if I pick this up?
The prototype is finished yes, however it was not quite "hammered" down.
There was a flaw with the measurements that Hubble had and there may be more minor flaws that need to be reworked.
I don't think Hubble can quote a date for the start of the GB. If he could he would have. Plus if he had everything sorted out the GB thread would be up already.
The timeframe is something that I cannot comment on.
The only thing people have committed to thus far is their payment and their number.
No one has actually picked what anodizing they want on their board or what layout they want.
Participants will have to fill out a new GB form once this actually goes live.
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 22:42:47
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
I still got more to sell, you just gotta wait and see ;)
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:10:35
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
I still got more to sell, you just gotta wait and see ;)
I legit just set your classifieds thread to "notify" just because I saw you may or may not have a LZ CP...
Also, I legit just used the word legit. I need to stop.
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:24:27
Thank you in advance <3
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:27:35
Hey DrHubble, I sent ya a message about transferring my order to KaminKevCrew. :)And thanks again for the opportunity!
Thank you in advance <3
Post by: HTN47 on Sun, 18 October 2015, 23:28:27
Hey guys, I'm letting go of my preorder spot (47) because I found my endgame. If anyone is interested please let me know :)
Should I be anticipating a clearance sale since you found your endgame? ;D
I still got more to sell, you just gotta wait and see ;)
I legit just set your classifieds thread to "notify" just because I saw you may or may not have a LZ CP...
Also, I legit just used the word legit. I need to stop.
Broo.... You must be psychic! :eek:
That's actually 1 of the items I'm going to post up. Just need to decide on a fair price along with some pics... can't keep posting up these potatoes on the sales thread LoL
Post by: uJalled on Mon, 19 October 2015, 01:26:26
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 19 October 2015, 02:02:08
Hey guys, letting go of my preorder spot in this GB, message if interested
Number 22. Nice.
Someone alert the Taylor Swift fans here! ;)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 12:49:29
Sweater - adamski07
Shirt - nathanrosspowell
Secret 2nd shirt - swimmingbird
Congrats guys!
I'll be PMing the winners shortly.
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:03:39
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 19 October 2015, 13:13:14
Winners for the giveaway are:
Sweater - adamski07
Shirt - nathanrosspowell
Secret 2nd shirt - swimmingbird
Congrats guys!
I'll be PMing the winners shortly.
Thanks bro :D
This takes the edge off a bit of not being in for this. I have my funds tied up in the messy TX1800 GB right now, otherwise I would be in for a Mira - still chance for it to get resolved before the GB opens!
I am starting a scheme as to how I can do a giveaway of my own now :thumb: Stay tuned.
Post by: tribade on Mon, 19 October 2015, 14:03:01
Thanks for all the work Hubble and Ninja (and Frosty, Zeal, etc.)!
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 19 October 2015, 17:37:50
Winners for the giveaway are:
Sweater - adamski07
Shirt - nathanrosspowell
Secret 2nd shirt - swimmingbird
Congrats guys!
I'll be PMing the winners shortly.
Wooh :D thank you so much asdfjkl36 :D
Post by: Vellicle on Tue, 20 October 2015, 06:46:14
Ends tomorrow.
Either it didn't truly end or I was able to fill out the form tonight because DrHubblePhD has neglected to neuter it.
Post by: Data on Tue, 20 October 2015, 07:28:58
Ends tomorrow.
Either it didn't truly end or I was able to fill out the form tonight because DrHubblePhD has neglected to neuter it.
That wasn't what ended.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 16:03:14
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 22 October 2015, 16:07:41
And so here I am again.I'd be interested! Large would fit perfectly too! :)
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
Post by: adamski07 on Thu, 22 October 2015, 17:06:04
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 22 October 2015, 17:13:30
Post by: aznairjordan on Thu, 22 October 2015, 23:15:06
And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
Post by: ika on Thu, 22 October 2015, 23:21:45
And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
same question, except 5'10" 170lb :D
Post by: romevi on Thu, 22 October 2015, 23:27:25
Oh, my gosh. Are you me?And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
Post by: aznairjordan on Thu, 22 October 2015, 23:28:06
Are you Asian?Oh, my gosh. Are you me?And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
Post by: romevi on Thu, 22 October 2015, 23:30:38
Are you Asian?Oh, my gosh. Are you me?And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
Close.
Latino.
Post by: theanyday on Fri, 23 October 2015, 00:47:54
Are you Asian?Oh, my gosh. Are you me?And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
Close.
Latino.
Practically the same thing. :p
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 23 October 2015, 01:34:20
And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
And so here I am again.
I had the MIRA sweater I had re-printed because of some issues, and received the new one.
I've decided to stick to my original so now I have a Large MIRA sweater to give away.
The Large I'm giving away has a bit of a grey color for the text instead of a nice white. I'll post a picture later.
So just post your interest here for the Large sweater and I'll pick someone by Friday night so I can ship it this weekend with the other winners.
K thanks bye
would a large fit a 5'8 160lb guy? If so, please throw my name in :) thanks for another giveaway!
same question, except 5'10" 170lb :D
I'm like.. 5'7 and 130lbs. It fits fairly big on me so i'm pretty sure it should fit you guys fine. But i'm not 100% if it shrinks a bit after the wash.
Sizing is here to help you figure out if it'll work for you: https://teespring.com/hubble-mira-swag#pid=212&cid=5819&sid=front
(http://i.imgur.com/vh2RxTS.png)
Also, here's the comparison between the two.
Top is the Large that was re-printed(which is a bit of a grey color/lighter white)
Bottom is the original
(http://i.imgur.com/cDDvlZg.jpg)
Post by: ika on Fri, 23 October 2015, 01:39:34
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 23 October 2015, 09:06:51
Post by: yuktsi on Fri, 23 October 2015, 10:43:36
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe too
Post by: romevi on Fri, 23 October 2015, 10:57:54
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe too
Me three. :confused:
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 23 October 2015, 12:10:52
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough money
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe too
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe too
Me three. :confused:
In the OP the price is put at between $350 and $400
Post by: ika on Fri, 23 October 2015, 20:57:10
How much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyHow much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe tooHow much will it cost for a kit? i want to preorder but i'm scared i don't have enough moneyMe too
Me three. :confused:
In the OP the price is put at between $350 and $400
Hubble posted an update on the last page:
Okay guys update time!
So after talking to the manufacturer, it looks like we are going to need some big numbers to make the Mira happen. It will be a challenge to hit the necessary units, but damn it were going to try :p
Im hoping ninjadoc can fill you in on the finalized list of anodizing options. After we get a pricing scheme worked out I will set a day for the launch of the group buy.
More info to come.
-Hubble
I believe $400 was his target absolute max. It sounds like he's having a little bit of trouble hitting that target without increasing the required number of units. No absolute numbers here so this is mostly speculation from me, take it with a grain of salt until someone comes and tells me I'm wrong!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sat, 24 October 2015, 00:05:17
Winner is: aznairjordan
woooooo
Pming you right now for info.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 24 October 2015, 00:13:00
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 15:44:00
Thanks again asdfjkl36! :thumb: I'll send you some of my caps once I get them done. :thumb:
(http://i.imgur.com/nLYNP4G.jpg)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 26 October 2015, 16:43:44
Got my Mira Swag w/ bunch of goodies :D
Thanks again asdfjkl36! :thumb: I'll send you some of my caps once I get them done. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nLYNP4G.jpg)
That was quick!
No problem, and hope you enjoy it :)
Just run a giveaway for those caps. Just trying to speed some love, I don't want anything in return :)
I really appreciate it though
Post by: en7ropy on Thu, 29 October 2015, 14:59:29
Thanks.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:04:26
Does anyone know if there are any pre-order (1-57) spots remaining? Is there a list somewhere? Is the pre-order even still going on? Mira could be my endgame TKL.
Thanks.
The first 57 have been taken:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
But i'm pretty sure you can still make a pre-order.
And i also feel like someone was trying to sell their spot...
Found it: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:05:53
Two people have put their spots up for sale, and both have been purchased... (I got the second one that was put up)Does anyone know if there are any pre-order (1-57) spots remaining? Is there a list somewhere? Is the pre-order even still going on? Mira could be my endgame TKL.
Thanks.
The first 57 have been taken:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
But i'm pretty sure you can still make a pre-order.
And i also feel like someone was trying to sell their spot...
Found it: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:12:06
Two people have put their spots up for sale, and both have been purchased... (I got the second one that was put up)Does anyone know if there are any pre-order (1-57) spots remaining? Is there a list somewhere? Is the pre-order even still going on? Mira could be my endgame TKL.
Thanks.
The first 57 have been taken:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
But i'm pretty sure you can still make a pre-order.
And i also feel like someone was trying to sell their spot...
Found it: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888
Just from a quick look, a few have been up:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1868996#msg1868996
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1889762#msg1889762
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899724#msg1899724 (the one you got)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888 (which i didnt see anyone claim / any public conversation of a transaction taking place)
It's worth a try if you really want one of the 57
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 29 October 2015, 15:31:33
Huh, I guess I haven't been paying as close attention as I thought I was.Two people have put their spots up for sale, and both have been purchased... (I got the second one that was put up)Does anyone know if there are any pre-order (1-57) spots remaining? Is there a list somewhere? Is the pre-order even still going on? Mira could be my endgame TKL.
Thanks.
The first 57 have been taken:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
But i'm pretty sure you can still make a pre-order.
And i also feel like someone was trying to sell their spot...
Found it: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888
Just from a quick look, a few have been up:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1868996#msg1868996
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1889762#msg1889762
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899724#msg1899724 (the one you got)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1899888#msg1899888 (which i didnt see anyone claim / any public conversation of a transaction taking place)
It's worth a try if you really want one of the 57
Post by: nathanrosspowell on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:34:31
(http://i.imgur.com/1gf7VoV.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:35:24
I was hoping this would be a notification that I could buy the boardShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vbKClUM.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1gf7VoV.jpg)
Nice beard, sir!!!
Post by: adamski07 on Mon, 02 November 2015, 18:54:48
Nice.. thanks again to asdfjkl36! :-*
Here's the Mira Hoodie Swag that I got from him! :p
(http://i.imgur.com/QXRwNyS.jpg)
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 03 November 2015, 09:26:41
Glad everyone got their stuff :)
It's finally cold today so I'll be rocking my MIRA sweater :)
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 05 November 2015, 05:43:51
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 05 November 2015, 07:30:05
Shirt is awesome!
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Post by: Data on Thu, 05 November 2015, 07:34:08
Post by: Bucky on Thu, 05 November 2015, 16:54:18
Post by: archer on Mon, 09 November 2015, 08:19:18
Gone!
Post by: Doobalicious on Mon, 09 November 2015, 08:28:49
If only another person had a different number they'd like to swap to 29 :rolleyes:
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 09 November 2015, 08:43:05
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 10 November 2015, 22:33:25
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 10 November 2015, 22:41:01
I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
:'( I'll take your spot dude
Post by: aznairjordan on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:08:01
I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
nooooooooooo. Hope all is well with you
Post by: Cottonsox on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:09:48
Spot is taken.
Post by: Doobalicious on Tue, 10 November 2015, 23:55:57
I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
:'( I'll take your spot dude
Too slow on the go. So you're 46 and 7, swimming? :-[
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:21:33
I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
:'( I'll take your spot dude
Too slow on the go. So you're 46 and 7, swimming? :-[
transferred to logomachy
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 00:32:52
Post by: aznairjordan on Wed, 11 November 2015, 09:03:37
Glad you got a spot you like more!I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
:'( I'll take your spot dude
Too slow on the go. So you're 46 and 7, swimming? :-[Yep - 46 is now available in case anyone wants it :)
Pending
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 11 November 2015, 10:37:16
Is this board still happening?
There is a glitch in the production that I've been waiting for DrHubble to address which is why I've said nothing. The bottom line is the shop has increased the number of boards to make is an unreasonable number of custom keyboards to purchase. Hate to put out a number but they wanted us to commit to 200 cases.
I'm not sure about the rest of you but I've always wondered why no one in CONUS has made a custom keyboard.
I can tell you why because I've spent endless hours calling, talking, taking keyboards to shops, and spent money on having things done to my own keyboards to find out the quality of work that shops do.
Prototypes - shops charge up to $2000 + for a prototype here.
Several seemed interested but were concerned with quality control and interesting enough payment.
Case - I'm surprised at the cost to make a case. I won't go into actual cost but the number cases the shop requires puts the cost near the 6 figure amount- i.e. Less than $100,000 but more than $50,000. The more complicated the case, the more the machine time, the higher cost. Interesting enough you would think all the curves make the Mira expensive. Those are not the main thing that increase cost-bevels, the hole for the USB cable, the PCB mounting - those are the issues. DrHubble made a few design changes that I haven't seen yet
Coating - you would think large shops would just mp on a simple job like this but the profit is not there.I've found two shops that anodize that would do the job - one has a good reputation, the other bad. When I think of anodizing I think prep the surface, anodize it by dipping it, allow it o dry. That is not even close. Apparently it is a 25 step process for this shop.
Cerakote was a interesting option but interestingly enough the color chips are far from the actual color and the board of mine scared him off and costed him to much. It was more than 3 times the cost of anodizing.
Powder coating - one shop I was sent to as horrible. It is a process done usually on larger items and is done by people who aren't particularly careful with the item. The exception is the ones that do car or motorcycle parts but they have all the work they can handle. I've had a board at a shop for over a month with no word back.
I'm posting to save this and I will then edit it to finish.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 11 November 2015, 11:06:07
Finish- I always though bead blast or sandblast the case and be done. Not always true. They are both done with a wand and even though it will look like it is evenly done you can get streaking and uneven colors - especially with anodizing but apparently even with cerakote. I was referred to a shop by the anodizer that is used to do finer parts that appearance is important.
Plate - the plate cost was included in our estimate but if you check various group buys they usually cost around $35 to $50 dollars.
PCB - the Korean boards are the cheapest but you have to develop a relationship with the maker and there is the issue of making sure the plate matches, and find a cost point along with getting permission to use their PCB.
Shipping - the cases would have to be shipped to the finisher, the anodizer, and then either back to me or Dr.Hubble for sorting, shipping, and quality check.i didn't even check this cost but I guess I should along with making sure they were packed well going to each location.
Profit - I've heard the murmurs about DrHubble doing this to make money and that's it.i can assure you he would make little if anything on this. None of this can truly subsidize this to lower the price and I can assure you I'm loosing money on it no matter what happens.
OTD - newbies may not know what I mean but ask LZ and the Jane group buy organizer( sorry I would butcher your handle right now). They can ban you from Korean products and make it hard or impossible to get a PCB.
Time - DrHubble has design time, PCB time,talking to the shop and machine operators to get the CAD files in a usable state and try to make compromises and changes to reduce costs. I have no idea my time or Frostys but one day I spent 4 hours on the interstate going to one shop - that was one way. I can't tell you about Frosty or Zeal's time.
I've probably left something out but this gives you of what's required to get a custom keyboard done in the states. When I get back to town I will talk to the shop again and start calling others to see if another shop is interested. Jigs are a cost to make and I might even try to buy their jig if it will reduce the cost at another shop.
If you have any questions please post them in this thread. We are trying to get this board produced despite all the roadblocks.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Wed, 11 November 2015, 11:22:07
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 11 November 2015, 11:50:37
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 11 November 2015, 12:01:06
Post by: Data on Wed, 11 November 2015, 13:36:57
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:12:50
Just putting it back out there... I still have a family contact with a very nice machine shop here in Orlando who would be willing to give us a quote on 100 units if I asked. No pressure.
Did I know you are in Orlando also?? Well I'm here too; I don't have any contacts but I'm willing to help you guys however I can.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 11 November 2015, 14:27:03
More
Doing this on my iPad is driving me insane!!! I can't edit the other post due to either the iPad or a physical issue I have! 😡
Finish- I always though bead blast or sandblast the case and be done. Not always true. They are both done with a wand and even though it will look like it is evenly done you can get streaking and uneven colors - especially with anodizing but apparently even with cerakote. I was referred to a shop by the anodizer that is used to do finer parts that appearance is important.
Plate - the plate cost was included in our estimate but if you check various group buys they usually cost around $35 to $50 dollars.
PCB - the Korean boards are the cheapest but you have to develop a relationship with the maker and there is the issue of making sure the plate matches, and find a cost point along with getting permission to use their PCB.
Shipping - the cases would have to be shipped to the finisher, the anodizer, and then either back to me or Dr.Hubble for sorting, shipping, and quality check.i didn't even check this cost but I guess I should along with making sure they were packed well going to each location.
Profit - I've heard the murmurs about DrHubble doing this to make money and that's it.i can assure you he would make little if anything on this. None of this can truly subsidize this to lower the price and I can assure you I'm loosing money on it no matter what happens.
OTD - newbies may not know what I mean but ask LZ and the Jane group buy organizer( sorry I would butcher your handle right now). They can ban you from Korean products and make it hard or impossible to get a PCB.
Time - DrHubble has design time, PCB time,talking to the shop and machine operators to get the CAD files in a usable state and try to make compromises and changes to reduce costs. I have no idea my time or Frostys but one day I spent 4 hours on the interstate going to one shop - that was one way. I can't tell you about Frosty or Zeal's time.
I've probably left something out but this gives you of what's required to get a custom keyboard done in the states. When I get back to town I will talk to the shop again and start calling others to see if another shop is interested. Jigs are a cost to make and I might even try to buy their jig if it will reduce the cost at another shop.
If you have any questions please post them in this thread. We are trying to get this board produced despite all the roadblocks.
Was the shop 4 hours away in Pittsburgh? Pittsburgh Foundry (http://pittsburghfoundry.com/) is supposed to be pretty awesome. They can do end-to-end production on the case as far as I know.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 11 November 2015, 17:39:23
Glad you got a spot you like more!I have a preorder spot to let go of #7. Other expenses have made it improbable i can do this anymore.
:'( I'll take your spot dude
Too slow on the go. So you're 46 and 7, swimming? :-[Yep - 46 is now available in case anyone wants it :)
Pending
Thanks man :D
I'm getting a tad anxious about this after this latest update - scary how much stuff goes into getting this made
Post by: abjr on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:18:01
Letting go of my preorder spot (#29), PM me if interested.
Please double check your number ... #29 isn't yours.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 11 November 2015, 23:19:54
Letting go of my preorder spot (#29), PM me if interested.
Please double check your number ... #29 isn't yours.
Not sure who has the paper, but just to make sure: you have to go by this spreadsheet, not the paper you received:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
Post by: archer on Thu, 12 November 2015, 07:40:18
Oh that's right, envelopes were sent out wrong, my bad.. mine is #28 and is nowLetting go of my preorder spot (#29), PM me if interested.
Please double check your number ... #29 isn't yours.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 12 November 2015, 09:04:31
Post by: Steezus on Thu, 12 November 2015, 09:36:27
Still haven't got my envelope.. lol
Pretty sure they stopped as of now
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 12 November 2015, 09:36:45
Still haven't got my envelope.. lol
The envelopes were sent out incorrectly and as a result they have stopped going out.
If you want some sort of document there is a possibility we can produce certificates of authenticity. However, I do not make any promises that this is currently happening.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 12 November 2015, 09:43:09
Is there any chance of that sheet being updated as different spots end up being sold, etc?Still haven't got my envelope.. lol
The envelopes were sent out incorrectly and as a result they have stopped going out.
If you want some sort of document there is a possibility we can produce certificates of authenticity. However, I do not make any promises that this is currently happening.
Post by: FrostyToast on Sat, 14 November 2015, 19:25:55
Hubble is currently busy and may not get around to updating the spreadsheet.
If anyone has transferred their orders, even if you have contacted hubble, please send me a private message.
This way I can update the spreadsheet for you as soon as possible. :thumb:
Orders coming after the initial 57 will not be listed in a spreadsheet yet.
Post by: Elth on Sat, 14 November 2015, 21:04:19
Spot no longer available.
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 17 November 2015, 02:49:02
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 November 2015, 19:32:18
I have two shops - one I'm reasonably sure can do the board and I need to talk to the other one.
Please send all orders and changes to Frosty so we can keep the records straight.
Post by: trizkut on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:07:52
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.
Quote from: DrHubblePhD
Hey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:12:33
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.Quote from: DrHubblePhDHey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
fixed
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:22:27
Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:23:56
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.Quote from: DrHubblePhDHey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
W/e, I gave up on this GB actually happening a long time ago anyway.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:50:51
Post by: romevi on Tue, 17 November 2015, 21:57:35
Post by: hrinfinity on Wed, 18 November 2015, 02:35:20
Sold! At least I can see photos of the boards after this launches :)
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 18 November 2015, 08:45:00
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.Quote from: DrHubblePhDHey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
Actually, you're wrong. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 18 November 2015, 08:46:02
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.Quote from: DrHubblePhDHey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
Actually, you're wrong. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
And why aren't I in the "current" spreadsheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
What a CF. I actually have an envelope and sticker...
Even more reason to doubt that this will ever happen.
[attach=1]
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 November 2015, 09:09:38
I believe I have yet to see messages from a few people who have given up their spots.
Please contact me, even if you have already contacted Dr. Hubble.
You must understand that this confusion of numbers will only make things more difficult.
We do not want to send the wrong numbered boards to people.
Mistakes with letters are easily fixable; keyboards are an entirely different story.
I also need whoever has spot #57 to contact me. I do not have your GeekHack username.
@Monotagary: I have you down for two spots. Please contact me with details about this matter.
I cannot edit the OP, but the spreadsheet that I will keep updated is here (https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit?usp=sharing)
I believe 37 should be me, not ATXTider, if I'm not mistaken.Quote from: DrHubblePhDHey, sorry, your number 37 ATXTiger snuck in there :))
Actually, you're wrong. https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1849813#msg1849813
And why aren't I in the "current" spreadsheet? https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
What a CF. I actually have an envelope and sticker...
Even more reason to doubt that this will ever happen.
[attach=1]
Why are you so upset by this? It is a simple misunderstanding and I am doing my best to clear this up.
I do not understand how mixing up a number is indicative of the possibility of this happening.
If you no longer wish to be a part of this group buy then you may transfer your order to someone else.
Post by: yuktsi on Wed, 18 November 2015, 09:33:42
Hmmmm.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 November 2015, 09:38:18
I didn't receive anything from the mail. I saw many people actually received some stickers.
Hmmmm.
Yes, I am very sorry about that.
Because of the mix ups with letters we have decided to hold the sending of them.
I realise many of you were upset about this, but don't worry, we'll make sure we don't leave anyone out!
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 18 November 2015, 11:10:32
If you have tried to contact me to transfer numbers I have forwarded all the requests to FrostyToast. He will be handeling these requests for now since its not fair for you that this service isnt availible.
I dont really have time for a full update, but what you should know is that it IS happening, and that I havent given up AT ALL. I have temporarily stopped taking pre-orders, but you can feel free to continue to fill out the form if you want.
Ill see you guys soon. Miss ya :-*
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 18 November 2015, 12:34:17
Hope you're doing well :)
Post by: romevi on Wed, 18 November 2015, 12:42:17
Hi everyone, im super sorry that I havent been responsive. It really kills me to know you guys are trying to talk to me and cant. If you need to reach me, contact me over skype. Send me a friend request with something along the lines of "GH user: _____" and ill gladely shoot you a response when I can.
If you have tried to contact me to transfer numbers I have forwarded all the requests to FrostyToast. He will be handeling these requests for now since its not fair for you that this service isnt availible.
I dont really have time for a full update, but what you should know is that it IS happening, and that I havent given up AT ALL. I have temporarily stopped taking pre-orders, but you can feel free to continue to fill out the form if you want.
Ill see you guys soon. Miss ya :-*
Nice! Hubbs has spoken.
Post by: Steezus on Wed, 18 November 2015, 13:34:23
Feels good to be here, glad to finally get a spot. :D
Thanks for the update as well DrHubble. :thumb:
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 18 November 2015, 20:34:33
Hi everyone, im super sorry that I havent been responsive. It really kills me to know you guys are trying to talk to me and cant. If you need to reach me, contact me over skype. Send me a friend request with something along the lines of "GH user: _____" and ill gladely shoot you a response when I can.
If you have tried to contact me to transfer numbers I have forwarded all the requests to FrostyToast. He will be handeling these requests for now since its not fair for you that this service isnt availible.
I dont really have time for a full update, but what you should know is that it IS happening, and that I havent given up AT ALL. I have temporarily stopped taking pre-orders, but you can feel free to continue to fill out the form if you want.
Ill see you guys soon. Miss ya :-*
Thanks for the update Doc :)
Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 18 November 2015, 20:49:47
Post by: elton5354 on Wed, 18 November 2015, 20:50:13
If anyone would like spot #4, PM me. Bought the jane and got no money left :(
PM'd
Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:06:33
😏If anyone would like spot #4, PM me. Bought the jane and got no money left :(
PM'd
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:17:30
If anyone would like spot #4, PM me. Bought the jane and got no money left :(
PM'd
@o3okevin I am sorry that you cannot afford to be in this buy
I made the order change in the spreadsheet for you.
@ATXtider I have sent you a PM in case you missed it.
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:21:11
Post by: o3okevin on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:23:00
If anyone would like spot #4, PM me. Bought the jane and got no money left :(
PM'd
@o3okevin I am sorry that you cannot afford to be in this buy
I made the order change in the spreadsheet for you.
@ATXtider I have sent you a PM in case you missed it.
Sorry about the confusion, I did not in fact sell my spot to elton5354. Still up for grabs!
Post by: jdcarpe on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:28:07
I'll take it over.If anyone would like spot #4, PM me. Bought the jane and got no money left :(
PM'd
@o3okevin I am sorry that you cannot afford to be in this buy
I made the order change in the spreadsheet for you.
@ATXtider I have sent you a PM in case you missed it.
Sorry about the confusion, I did not in fact sell my spot to elton5354. Still up for grabs!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 18 November 2015, 21:29:05
So, how would I get in on this at this point? Submit the pre-order form? Take over someone else's order?
Yea, since DrHubble said pre-orders have stopped (at least for now) then the only way to get in right now is just take someone else's order.
Not sure if this is still available:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg1939683#msg1939683
Edit:
looks like you found one :P
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 November 2015, 00:51:15
So, how would I get in on this at this point? Submit the pre-order form? Take over someone else's order?
The only way to currently secure an order would be via takeover.
There are only a few spots remaining until we reach 100 orders so the actual group buy phase might be a little awkward due to the limited amount of newcomers.
Once the group buy launches, we'll have to collect money from everyone who has their order reserved and then redistribute the numbers of those who cannot pay.
Depending on how many empty spots there are, we may or may not expand the numbers.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:11:03
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:20:09
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...what is the estimate on final cost?
We do not have a finite number yet since we are looking at two different shops.
However, the <$400 estimate that we gave out earlier seems quite realistic with one of the shops we have contacted.
Post by: jdcarpe on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:20:32
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...what is the estimate on final cost?OP says estimated $350-400.
Post by: heedpantsnow on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:22:24
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...what is the estimate on final cost?
We do not have a finite number yet since we are looking at two different shops.
However, the <$400 estimate that we gave out earlier seems quite realistic with one of the shops we have contacted.
I'm sorry if this is a stupid question...what is the estimate on final cost?OP says estimated $350-400.
Thanks. My reading comprehension is awful these days. Read the OP 2-3 times! Feel like an idiot...
Post by: joey on Thu, 19 November 2015, 10:29:33
I'll take it over.Mira and TGR Jane? jdcarpe is back to spending money on keyboards :D
Post by: ATXTider on Thu, 19 November 2015, 20:41:15
Post by: Jokrik on Fri, 27 November 2015, 10:11:54
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 03 December 2015, 23:02:04
Post by: ocodo on Sat, 05 December 2015, 23:21:06
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 05 December 2015, 23:24:22
I guess it's safe to assume this isn't going to be ready this year. Hopefully we can expect early next year! Waiting for the next update!Indeed! Hopefully it will happen! I'm looking into another custom, since this is taking so long, but that doesn't mean I'm not interested in this one when it happens! (it might be nice to take down the "group buy starting soon" bit in the title though, since it seems that it won't be happening for some time.)
Post by: romevi on Sat, 05 December 2015, 23:31:30
I guess it's safe to assume this isn't going to be ready this year. Hopefully we can expect early next year! Waiting for the next update!
Nah, most likely not. But Hubbs did post that he's still actively trying to get this done, but there were snags in getting it cost-effective here in 'Murica.
The initial GB for the numbers were to help him get the protos done here, but that the team has realized it's going to be a bit more difficult, they're still working on getting it as Murican and inexpensive as possible.
So, probably next year.
Post by: LXXXIX on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:12:05
Post by: E3E on Sun, 06 December 2015, 09:57:15
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 06 December 2015, 16:05:42
Well, I think those who endure the wait will have something really special in the end, kind of like those who've waited two years for their Round 5 caps and what not. The Mira is a super special board and this is an ambitious project, so delays are almost a given.
Yeah well I'd rather not wait 2 years :))
Post by: E3E on Sun, 06 December 2015, 19:44:40
Well, I think those who endure the wait will have something really special in the end, kind of like those who've waited two years for their Round 5 caps and what not. The Mira is a super special board and this is an ambitious project, so delays are almost a given.
Yeah well I'd rather not wait 2 years :))
Hahaha, yeeeeeeah... Good point. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 December 2015, 10:30:25
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 15 December 2015, 11:38:46
Bumpity Bump ;D
I'm hoping there has been some progress made, probably really slow though with the holidays around the corner. If this can be done early next year I would be pleased.
Post by: Data on Tue, 15 December 2015, 19:17:12
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 21 December 2015, 08:44:11
Post by: romevi on Mon, 21 December 2015, 08:50:51
I've got a a quote pending on the board which seems reasonable. I'm unclear of details yet but I will let everyone know as soon as i can. I would like to thank Frosty for all his hard work on straightening out the financials and orders, Hubble for the design, and Yuksti for all his work and advice on this. Others have given input on shops, coatings,and other things we appreciate. With all of us working togethet I'm hoping we can get this produced at a reasonable price.
Excellent!
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 21 December 2015, 10:06:44
Post by: tribade on Mon, 21 December 2015, 14:25:03
I've got a a quote pending on the board which seems reasonable. I'm unclear of details yet but I will let everyone know as soon as i can. I would like to thank Frosty for all his hard work on straightening out the financials and orders, Hubble for the design, and Yuksti for all his work and advice on this. Others have given input on shops, coatings,and other things we appreciate. With all of us working togethet I'm hoping we can get this produced at a reasonable price.
Great to hear! Stoked about this buy and it'll be nice to have a little time to recover from the holidays.
Post by: tuba section on Sat, 26 December 2015, 09:10:20
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 28 December 2015, 00:45:51
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 28 December 2015, 00:49:42
Obviously we are all disappointed in the progress of the Mira especially over the last 4 months. I have done a lot of legwork on it and I believe I can get it done but there is a reason for the recent delays and given the trend of GB leaders dropping off the face of the earth I'm relaying information about myself that I would normally keep private.The reason I haven't been on the board lately is that my condition has progressed more over the last 6 months to the point that I have difficulty with normal activities and I have no choice but surgery to possibly reverse its progression. I had one surgery last Tuesday and another is scheduled for tomorrow. This will obviously limit my activities but when I get more information I will try to relay it or have a family member do it for me. Thank you for your understanding.Thank you for the update! I for one really appreciate it.
As far as this hobby goes, the price to reserve the initial spots is not so great a price if this doesn't end up happening, and it was initially explained that it wasn't refundable, even if the boards never got built.
Im in no rush, and I appreciate the huge amount of effort that everyone has put into this so far. I'd love a board, and I love seeing that everything is being worked on to make it happen, even though it's been a tough ride. If there's any way I can assist, please feel free to PM me, I'd be happy to make myself available if it would help take a bit of a load off of others.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 28 December 2015, 02:04:28
Obviously we are all disappointed in the progress of the Mira especially over the last 4 months. I have done a lot of legwork on it and I believe I can get it done but there is a reason for the recent delays and given the trend of GB leaders dropping off the face of the earth I'm relaying information about myself that I would normally keep private.The reason I haven't been on the board lately is that my medical condition has progressed over the last 6 months to the point that I have difficulty with normal activities and I have no choice but surgery to possibly reverse or at least halt its progression. I had one surgery last Tuesday and another is scheduled for tomorrow. This will obviously limit my activities but when I get more information I will try to relay it or have a family member do it for me. Thank you for your understanding.
Your health an family are of the utmost importance, we can wait if it means for you to get your health back. I really appreciate the update, I understand it can be hard sharing personal information here. I'm sure others can understand the wait as well, not ideal but understandable. Get well soon ninjadoc :thumb:
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 28 December 2015, 08:14:00
*snip*
Either way if someone wants to pay me my pre-order they can have mine, sadly I don't have a fancy number to offer though.
Post by: Binge on Mon, 28 December 2015, 10:27:33
If I preordered about a month or so ago (after the initial get a special number if you preoder deal) my name should not be on that list correct?
*snip*
Either way if someone wants to pay me my pre-order they can have mine, sadly I don't have a fancy number to offer though.
You will want to remove a lot of information from this picture. There's information that you may not think is sensitive, but you do not want in a screenshot.
Post by: tribade on Mon, 28 December 2015, 11:04:09
Obviously we are all disappointed in the progress of the Mira especially over the last 4 months. I have done a lot of legwork on it and I believe I can get it done but there is a reason for the recent delays and given the trend of GB leaders dropping off the face of the earth I'm relaying information about myself that I would normally keep private.The reason I haven't been on the board lately is that my medical condition has progressed over the last 6 months to the point that I have difficulty with normal activities and I have no choice but surgery to possibly reverse or at least halt its progression. I had one surgery last Tuesday and another is scheduled for tomorrow. This will obviously limit my activities but when I get more information I will try to relay it or have a family member do it for me. Thank you for your understanding.
We all appreciate the information. There have been a lot of setbacks when it comes to this group buy, but obviously no one with a conscience could blame you for putting your health first. The commitment you've shown to getting this GB up and running is unreal, and greatly appreciated. Good luck with your surgery. And I wish you a speedy recovery from it.
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 04 January 2016, 09:09:35
If I preordered about a month or so ago (after the initial get a special number if you preoder deal) my name should not be on that list correct?
*snip*
Either way if someone wants to pay me my pre-order they can have mine, sadly I don't have a fancy number to offer though.
You will want to remove a lot of information from this picture. There's information that you may not think is sensitive, but you do not want in a screenshot.
Thanks, I'll take the conversation to PM
Post by: daviswalkers on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:21:35
http://i.imgur.com/m6B1Spz.png
Post by: Rayoui on Sat, 09 January 2016, 19:30:12
Alright I got everything sorted so if anyone is interested in buying my spot it's $40 PM me and I'll give you my paypal if no one else has snatched it yet. I confirmed that my pre-order was accounted for as you can see here
http://i.imgur.com/m6B1Spz.png
PM sent :)
Post by: meiosis on Thu, 14 January 2016, 22:44:04
Post by: Atredl on Mon, 18 January 2016, 05:03:01
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 18 January 2016, 05:09:37
When this board comes to life it will be right up there with the OTD boards
Post by: bocahgundul on Mon, 18 January 2016, 05:11:03
Post by: henz on Mon, 18 January 2016, 09:33:58
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:12:19
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:16:23
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:16:43
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
"on hold"
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:17:15
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
hwood knows that, it's sarcasm for the fact that it's been saying that for months.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:17:26
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
"on hold"
"on"
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:17:40
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
"on hold"
"on"
""
Post by: FLFisherman on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:19:01
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
"on hold"
"on"
""
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:22:11
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:25:27
"starting soon"
There's been no real update since October. This will be on hold for a while.
There was an update saying we received a quote from a new shop in December.
Though it really isn't anything big or exciting it's still something. It's quite hard to find a shop that will fulfill our request at a reasonable price.
I'm sure hwood knows the difficulty of finding a reliable shop and being disappointed just as you think you have a solid deal.
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:27:04
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
savage.
you could also try international shops, but I'm sure that's been suggested and turned down before since "muh top-tier murican manufacturing"
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:31:40
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
savage.
you could also try international shops, but I'm sure that's been suggested and turned down before since "muh top-tier murican manufacturing"
Such savage. Much wow.
Just on a more serious note, due to the nature of this board's design and it's relatively low order count it's extremely hard to find a good shop in the states to work with.
We initially wanted this to be entirely in the States to serve as a hallmark for this community but we are now considering international options for a more achievable approach.
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 11:33:05
Just on a more serious note, due to the nature of this board's design and it's relatively low order count it's extremely hard to find a good shop in the states to work with.
We initially wanted this to be entirely in the States to serve as a hallmark for this community but we are now considering international options for a more achievable approach.
Yeah, jokes aside finding a place to do this cheaply stateside will be nigh-impossible. GLHF
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 18 January 2016, 13:57:05
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
savage.
you could also try international shops, but I'm sure that's been suggested and turned down before since "muh top-tier murican manufacturing"
Such savage. Much wow.
Just on a more serious note, due to the nature of this board's design and it's relatively low order count it's extremely hard to find a good shop in the states to work with.
We initially wanted this to be entirely in the States to serve as a hallmark for this community but we are now considering international options for a more achievable approach.
As much as I totally agree and stand behind the sentiment, you are correct. Sometimes it just isn't viable, and this is looking to be one of those cases. At this point I think people are just wanting to see it happen.
Disclaimer: Of course, shop local, when possible :thumb:
Post by: azhdar on Mon, 18 January 2016, 13:59:23
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 14:46:45
Where is drhubble ???
That's what I was wondering, everybody else who was helping him on the project has been doing a fantastic job but DrHubble has been m.i.a.
Post by: Data on Mon, 18 January 2016, 15:18:02
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
savage.
you could also try international shops, but I'm sure that's been suggested and turned down before since "muh top-tier murican manufacturing"
Such savage. Much wow.
Just on a more serious note, due to the nature of this board's design and it's relatively low order count it's extremely hard to find a good shop in the states to work with.
We initially wanted this to be entirely in the States to serve as a hallmark for this community but we are now considering international options for a more achievable approach.
As much as I totally agree and stand behind the sentiment, you are correct. Sometimes it just isn't viable, and this is looking to be one of those cases. At this point I think people are just wanting to see it happen.
Disclaimer: Of course, shop local, when possible :thumb:
We paid for a prototype and it was produced. I think we all agree it turned out well despite a few minor flaws (which I believe have been corrected). So, yeah, it would be nice if we could move this to the next logical stage. It feels like we've been right on the cusp of a group buy for too long.
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 15:33:35
I guess if we want things to go slightly smoother like CFLX we could make the Mira a sandwich style skeleton case.
savage.
you could also try international shops, but I'm sure that's been suggested and turned down before since "muh top-tier murican manufacturing"
Such savage. Much wow.
Just on a more serious note, due to the nature of this board's design and it's relatively low order count it's extremely hard to find a good shop in the states to work with.
We initially wanted this to be entirely in the States to serve as a hallmark for this community but we are now considering international options for a more achievable approach.
As much as I totally agree and stand behind the sentiment, you are correct. Sometimes it just isn't viable, and this is looking to be one of those cases. At this point I think people are just wanting to see it happen.
Disclaimer: Of course, shop local, when possible :thumb:
We paid for a prototype and it was produced. I think we all agree it turned out well despite a few minor flaws (which I believe have been corrected). So, yeah, it would be nice if we could move this to the next logical stage. It feels like we've been right on the cusp of a group buy for too long.
I thought there was an issue with pricing, though, and they were looking at other, more economical options. They were aiming for $400 and I think the board would be far more expensive than that if made here.
Plus, the funds are non-refundable; I'm assuming that includes if this project fails, too.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 15:57:41
I thought there was an issue with pricing, though, and they were looking at other, more economical options. They were aiming for $400 and I think the board would be far more expensive than that if made here.
Plus, the funds are non-refundable; I'm assuming that includes if this project fails, too.
That is the issue, they're currently looking for a shop with affordable prices. The goal was to have an all American made board but if the prices are too high then outsourcing it would be the next best step.
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:12:16
Zeal is Canadian. Sorry. :|
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:15:21
100% American-made keyboard.
Zeal is Canadian. Sorry. :|
If design of the item mattered, then we would not complain about things "not being made in USA" (many things are still manufactured here though, obviously ;) ). :P
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:20:06
100% American-made keyboard.But he is American in the sense that he lives on the continent of North America
Zeal is Canadian. Sorry. :|
Post by: jdcarpe on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:30:06
100% American-made keyboard.But he is American in the sense that he lives on the continent of North America
Zeal is Canadian. Sorry. :|
Anything's American if you're brave enough. ;)
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 16:31:03
100% American-made keyboard.But he is American in the sense that he lives on the continent of North America
Zeal is Canadian. Sorry. :|
#rekt
Post by: asgeirtj on Mon, 18 January 2016, 18:55:36
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 18 January 2016, 19:23:43
I frankly don't give a damn where it's produced. Just find a way to make this beautiful board a reality in the 400$ range preferably. Pretty please with a cherry on top.
This x1000
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 19:28:26
I frankly don't give a damn where it's produced. Just find a way to make this beautiful board a reality in the 400$ range preferably. Pretty please with a cherry on top.
I'll add extra cherries on top too, was so hyped for this board.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:12:16
I became involved mainly because of the same reasons and since I’m “retired” I had the time to go to shops and try to find shops that would be willing to do a small project like this. Little did I know what I was getting into.
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details eventually I was able to find a shop that seemed interested in producing the keyboard and had a source to have the plate made.
While the prototype was done Hubble was getting ready for college and communication was slow both with me and the shop. Adjustment had to be made to the design and apparently efforts were made to cut all corners possible (according to the shop) in order to meet the price point of $400 range. I didn’t participate in these discussions. Once the prototype was done I collected it, took pictures, and sent it to Hubble.
I talked to the shop foreman, their CAD person, and machinist and realized that there were design flaws that needed to be changed. One area was to thin, some radius increased machine time, the plate mounting was difficult to machine, and the base was responsible for the majority of the cost. I attempted to speak to Hubble, received no response, talked to the shop who seemed to be cooling to the idea of producing the Mira, and eventually both the shop and I received revised CAD files. After revision the shop gave us an estimate with a MOQ of 200 boards that would need finishing and anodizing. This put the cost of the board at $400+, not including me shipping 200 5 lb pieces of aluminum out of state, getting finished at one location then transported to another location in the same town to get anodized.
Obviously there are several issues here. First we can’t sell 200 keyboards. Second – shipping increases the risk of damage and moving 1000 lbs of aluminum would be costly. Third – quality control. The boards would need to be checked every step of the way. There would be damaged boards so that would need to be factored in. Fourth – reshipment, probably back to me for sorting, rechecking, packaging, then shipping. I would also have to collect the PCB’s from Hubble or from Winkeyless. Finally I can’t even guess the cost – the shop told me $350 each for 200 boards or $700 each for 100.
Hubble felt he wanted to try it and that is the last I heard from him.
After Frosty cleaned up the number mess and after the prototype several members contacted me with shops or offers to help. I’ve followed through with some of them and most were unsuccessful. One offered to rework the CAD files and fix some of the issues that the shop had pointed out to me. We did so and I’m getting two prototypes made which I am paying for. I also talked to another PCB maker and he is willing to sell me PCB’s with the SMD soldering done.
If the shop is willing I could possible to the Mira in batches of 25 at a cost of around $650 a piece. I can’t guarantee that price until I actually receive confirmation from the shop that they want to do the project and give me a quote. It would have to be made overseas and probably shipped to me and then to the individual buyer.
There is possibly one other option. I can have the base redesigned to make the back flat like other keyboards keeping the design the same on the sides. This would cut down machine time and cost and I can try to get other estimates. I could go back to Hubble’s original plan for mounting the PCB and plate similar to how it is done with the Cheat but some members and the machine shop expressed concerns about that. I have no idea what the cost would be in that situation.
Well, that is where the “Mira” stands at this point in time.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:18:53
$650 is pretty steep for a board and I would much prefer that steps could be made to the lower the cost like you have mentioned.
Edit: Forgot to add that I was surprised at how young DrHubble is, not that is has anything to do with it but it's quite the project he's taking on. I also sent you a PM ninjadoc. :thumb:
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:27:07
Thanks for following up!
And please communicate with us, Hubbs. Communication is key! If this project fails, then so be it. So long as we know!
Post by: diqkiq on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:49:06
A foreign made Mira is fine by me as well.
Post by: livingspeedbump on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:51:06
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 18 January 2016, 21:52:52
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 18 January 2016, 22:47:49
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Post by: romevi on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:32:13
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.
Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:33:34
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.
Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.
Yeah I thought I read that somewhere as well for the reason why he was so busy?
Post by: hwood34 on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:40:38
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.
Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.
Yeah I thought I read that somewhere as well for the reason why he was so busy?
nope. he's in college now though
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:41:13
With Hubble being a student in high school and getting ready for college communication was difficult and he has been slow to respond at times. Without boring you with the details
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.
Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.
Yeah I thought I read that somewhere as well for the reason why he was so busy?
nope. he's in college now though
okay so like 10+ years to go then lol
Post by: Photekq on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:41:53
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.He's in his first year of college. It's a no PhD zone.
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 18 January 2016, 23:45:57
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.He's in his first year of college. It's a no PhD zone.
He really must have some big plans then. Wait until he discovers alcohol, then we'll see about that PhD. :p
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 January 2016, 00:06:28
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.He's in his first year of college. It's a no PhD zone.
He really must have some big plans then. Wait until he discovers alcohol, then we'll see about that PhD. :p
yet alone this gb
#rekt
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 19 January 2016, 00:26:38
yet alone this gbHe doesn't need alcohol to kill his group buy. His stupidity has already resulted in stillbirth, wouldn't you agree?
#rekt
Well, at least I hope that if a group buy is started for the Mira design it will not be run by him. If he's incapable of starting a group buy then how can anyone expect him to be capable of finishing one?
Post by: xondat on Tue, 19 January 2016, 04:11:18
Eh?
Post by: bocahgundul on Tue, 19 January 2016, 04:57:16
Designed in the United States. Made in China.Just like apple :eek:
Eh?
Post by: flopix on Tue, 19 January 2016, 05:09:28
Post by: daviswalkers on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:23:10
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:27:44
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:32:19
Well if we want it outsourced we'll be better off getting something else that is easily available in the market
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB
I thought this GB was supported because the custom board looked nice?
Post by: xondat on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:37:17
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:38:28
Well if we want it outsourced we'll be better off getting something else that is easily available in the market
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB
I thought this GB was supported because the custom board looked nice?
Well it is
I supported it for the look and the spirit of it where it's gonna be manufactured
since after all these years we're only limited with Korean made or Chinese made, not that they're bad or anything
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:44:16
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.
Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.
Hubble has never claimed to be an actual PhD. I can't find a quote, but he has explained that he simply has a fascination with science and the stars, hence Hubble, Mira, etc.
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.
The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:50:10
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Post by: romevi on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:53:08
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
It went to funding the proto as well as toward the board when it was ready.
Post by: SpAmRaY on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:53:20
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorryalso even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:55:49
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorryalso even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
damn kids
Post by: henz on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:56:11
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorryalso even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Kids these days.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:56:42
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well. That $40 should be deducted from your final bill. What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort. At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense. It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent. I misunderstood the root of your question. :P
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:58:22
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well. That $40 should be deducted from your final bill. What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort. At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense. It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent. I misunderstood the root of your question. :P
Ah okay no worries
Yeah I misread it somewhere that I had just personally bankrolled hubble's unicorn keyboard and that was it
Post by: demik on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:01:21
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:01:45
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well. That $40 should be deducted from your final bill. What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort. At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense. It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent. I misunderstood the root of your question. :P
Ah okay no worries
Yeah I misread it somewhere that I had just personally bankrolled hubble's unicorn keyboard and that was it
There's no saying that's not what happened. :D
Post by: henz on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:34:27
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:58:09
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
Post by: henz on Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:59:37
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
great advertise, will join! :D
Post by: FLFisherman on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:03:52
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
great advertise, will join! :D
I will throw in a $50 up-front fee to help you fund a prototype for yourself.
Post by: henz on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:32:50
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
great advertise, will join! :D
I will throw in a $50 up-front fee to help you fund a prototype for yourself.
not sure if plastic is my thang :) but i would try selling some alps space stabwires eventually, bought some stuff to bend some stabs! id take some donations any day :)
Post by: strict on Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:46:07
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
+1
Post by: xondat on Tue, 19 January 2016, 14:09:38
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Tue, 19 January 2016, 14:10:15
proof that they won't **** it up
If only it were so simple.
Post by: Armagedda on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:03:50
Those moq's listed above are pretty damn steep but not entirely unexpected or unreasonable and when you factor in shipping that much weight around this does not look like it will be coming in anywhere near the target. I was happy to come in for a board at $350-400 knowing full well it could blow out to around $500 all told. I will not be able to justify a $700USD board and I don't doubt there will be many others in my situation too.
IIRC the preorder spots didn't even sell out? I don't see this making an moq of 100 at $800 once you factor in US manufacturing and shipping. Especially for Australians and Canadians who definitely will be struggling to pay something like that when you consider it's $1000 native for us.
IMO go to an overseas manufacturer. There is a reason that people don't manufacture in the US, it's just too expensive.
Post by: Photekq on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:08:42
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:13:20
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Post by: xondat on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:27:17
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:29:15
Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:50:30
Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
Post by: jdcarpe on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:03:58
Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:08:29
Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.
I understand that, I always said that when group buys fail it's usually because the person bit off more than they can chew. However, I still think it's perfectly acceptable to have a keyboard kit as your first group buy if you limit the amounts like yuktsi has been doing. The only downside is that people will complain because they didn't get in on the buy but it's better than everybody getting screwed.
Post by: romevi on Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:50:50
Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.
GH60 fiasco?
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 19 January 2016, 19:36:46
If you want to know more, I suggest you look at the gh60 thread in the group buys section. It's pretty darn bad...Exactly.I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.
Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.
GH60 fiasco?
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:02:33
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:15:17
As of now it's more of Ninjadoc's guilt that keeps Mira alive.. Hubble took payments after the prototype was paid off that is not accounted for - seemingly everyone after the original 40 numbers - so that money is mia. As is, the board that will come out of here will be a result of ninjadoc's hard work.
Maybe Hubble should auction off the prototype if the start date isn't announced in a reasonable time frame and refund accordingly
Post by: livingspeedbump on Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:16:12
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorryalso even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board
Your $40 went to funding the prototype.In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?
I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Ha, pretty much this.
Also, never got stickers and all that jazz, but then again the #'s went terribly wrong as well. :-X
Post by: en7ropy on Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:11:11
As of now it's more of Ninjadoc's guilt that keeps Mira alive.. Hubble took payments after the prototype was paid off that is not accounted for - seemingly everyone after the original 40 numbers - so that money is mia. As is, the board that will come out of here will be a result of ninjadoc's hard work.
Help the Mira Group Buy ninjadoc, you're our only hope!
Post by: Air tree on Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:24:30
So hubble just dropped of the face of the planet or what? :-\
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:39:15
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 21 January 2016, 09:32:08
Well it's sad that this went to ****.
So hubble just dropped of the face of the planet or what? :-\
Haven't seen him on skype for quite a while
Post by: xondat on Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:08:39
Post by: limitz on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:51:44
Keyboard community has been bumming me out lately.
1) Friend got scammed $600 in materials/assembly service from a user on GH (Sent 3 ergodoxes)
2) Spirit buy I was in scammed
3) This buy doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. Wasn't expecting much in the first place, but I still allowed myself to get my hopes up. I offered to put him in touch with a machining service I utilize for my own HW startup, but got no response.
4) Kin25 scammed on the TX1800
Too many projects coming to nothing.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:57:54
Guys, this is going to happen. Ninjadoc and I have discussed various details and we are quite close.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as pointing at a machining shop and going with it.
My word isn't as official as Ninjadoc's since he is talking to the machining shops and has the CAD files, but I can say that there are revisions that were made to the design which pushes this further back.
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ninjadoc has all of the CAD files that we need and we have a solid option for a machining shop right now which we are investigating.
More updates will come with some better info. I just wanted to post something quick since people are making assumptions.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:59:42
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:02:13
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:05:09
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:09:12
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?
Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:11:14
I think one of the problems with getting the case parts made abroad would be lack of quality control checks between manufacturing steps on the part of group buy organizers. Unless one of the organizers happens to live in the country of manufacture and is able to visit the shops and monitor progress. Otherwise I personally don't see a problem with doing at least part of the manufacturing abroad. I just remember that the US-made Skeldon case was Very expensive, and it was a simple wedge design, not as intricate as Mira. Lower number of orders though, if I remember correctly, so that might have been why.
Post by: xondat on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:12:24
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?
Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.
Can't edit it due to not having a CAD designer or that the file is unmoddable?
Sounds good though, my bad for taking him disappearing the wrong way. Thanks for your work.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:15:03
Thank you for your hard work, frostytoast and ninjadoc. I have no expertise in getting keyboard parts made, but hopefully you can get more GH support as the project moves along. Maybe JD can offer some advice, *wink* :)
I think one of the problems with getting the case parts made abroad would be lack of quality control checks between manufacturing steps on the part of group buy organizers. Unless one of the organizers happens to live in the country of manufacture and is able to visit the shops and monitor progress. Otherwise I personally don't see a problem with doing at least part of the manufacturing abroad. I just remember that the US-made Skeldon case was Very expensive, and it was a simple wedge design, not as intricate as Mira. Lower number of orders though, if I remember correctly, so that might have been why.
Yeah it would be great if we could visit shops ourselves, but it would be difficult since ninjadoc lives in an expensive country; and, well, my country (Canada) doesn't have anything (plus shipping from here would be insane)
The recent quotes we have are looking good and the 100 board count definitely helps a ton.
There is an incredibly huge drop in cost as you get more and more orders so we can definitely get a lot lower than the Skeldon; even with a complex design.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:16:02
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?
Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.
Can't edit it due to not having a CAD designer or that the file is unmoddable?
Sounds good though, my bad for taking him disappearing the wrong way. Thanks for your work.
No we can modify the CAD file if we wanted.
The part that we can't edit is the GH thread :))
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:17:02
Post by: xondat on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:21:03
P.S.: regarding the inability to modify the OP, please feel free to request any changes added to the OP, I'll be happy to help. Pretty sure the thread title needs the "group buy starting soon" part removed, for example.
I was going to say I'm sure the mods can help, as it's obvious what's happened here.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:24:33
I'll talk with ninjadoc and decide how to change the OP to reflect the current status of the GB.
Meanwhile, it is almost 1:30am here and I have classes tomorrow morning. Goodnight!
Post by: filphil on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:36:27
Sure numbers, designer and contributor recognition, and that wow factor are nice and all but I'd rather have a geekhack community board more than anything of those offerings.
On the topic of US made board I thought the pcb was from winkeyless in the first place?
Post by: limitz on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:45:00
Thank you for your hard work, frostytoast and ninjadoc. I have no expertise in getting keyboard parts made, but hopefully you can get more GH support as the project moves along. Maybe JD can offer some advice, *wink* :)
I think one of the problems with getting the case parts made abroad would be lack of quality control checks between manufacturing steps on the part of group buy organizers. Unless one of the organizers happens to live in the country of manufacture and is able to visit the shops and monitor progress. Otherwise I personally don't see a problem with doing at least part of the manufacturing abroad. I just remember that the US-made Skeldon case was Very expensive, and it was a simple wedge design, not as intricate as Mira. Lower number of orders though, if I remember correctly, so that might have been why.
Yeah it would be great if we could visit shops ourselves, but it would be difficult since ninjadoc lives in an expensive country; and, well, my country (Canada) doesn't have anything (plus shipping from here would be insane)
The machinist I utilize is Vancouver based, and they do excellent work. See examples:
http://www.liquid-ion.com/img/ourgoal.jpg
http://www.liquid-ion.com/img/pd_productshot_1.jpg
I'm glad this project won't be slowed down by Hubble leaving. That's awesome to hear.
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:49:23
Post by: bocahgundul on Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:58:20
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 22 January 2016, 06:30:14
If I can help in anyway please let me know
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 January 2016, 08:30:45
Post by: tribade on Fri, 22 January 2016, 08:47:11
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ah, I thought this made a big difference.
Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?
Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.
Can't edit it due to not having a CAD designer or that the file is unmoddable?
Sounds good though, my bad for taking him disappearing the wrong way. Thanks for your work.
He wasn't talking about being unable to update the CAD files. He meant not being able to update the original post on the thread.
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 22 January 2016, 12:10:09
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
hell, or at least keep people updated. it's not that hard at all
at least frosty and ninja are doing a good job of that now
Post by: romevi on Fri, 22 January 2016, 12:53:49
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
hell, or at least keep people updated. it's not that hard at all
at least frosty and ninja are doing a good job of that now
Even if he tells us he can't do it, it's fine. We already knew the $40 was non-refundable; won't be hard for Hubbs to tell us that he just has too much on his plate and will pass the project on. No need to disappear.
Post by: Homenubbie on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:11:01
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:20:51
Is this Group Buy still open? What is the $40 for?
This is an interest check. The $40 was a non-refundable pre-order to help fund the prototype. If the buy happens, the $40 goes toward your purchase (at least that's how it was presented).
Post by: livingspeedbump on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:24:20
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
hell, or at least keep people updated. it's not that hard at all
at least frosty and ninja are doing a good job of that now
Even if he tells us he can't do it, it's fine. We already knew the $40 was non-refundable; won't be hard for Hubbs to tell us that he just has too much on his plate and will pass the project on. No need to disappear.
Yeah, at this point he needs to just man up and tell it as it is.
If he cant finish it, fine. If he is passing it off to Ninja or Frosty (should they want to attempt to finish this) even better.
But just leaving it in a state of limbo is not cool. Doesn't take much time at all to give an update, and people that already invested their money in this deserve something in return.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:33:42
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
hell, or at least keep people updated. it's not that hard at all
at least frosty and ninja are doing a good job of that now
Even if he tells us he can't do it, it's fine. We already knew the $40 was non-refundable; won't be hard for Hubbs to tell us that he just has too much on his plate and will pass the project on. No need to disappear.
Yeah, at this point he needs to just man up and tell it as it is.
If he cant finish it, fine. If he is passing it off to Ninja or Frosty (should they want to attempt to finish this) even better.
But just leaving it in a state of limbo is not cool. Doesn't take much time at all to give an update, and people that already invested their money in this deserve something in return.
Isn't notice from ninja and Frosty that they are taking it over sufficient in this regard? Sure, for the principle of "owning up to it" I agree with you, but we all know what's going on here.
Post by: romevi on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:41:17
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
hell, or at least keep people updated. it's not that hard at all
at least frosty and ninja are doing a good job of that now
Even if he tells us he can't do it, it's fine. We already knew the $40 was non-refundable; won't be hard for Hubbs to tell us that he just has too much on his plate and will pass the project on. No need to disappear.
Yeah, at this point he needs to just man up and tell it as it is.
If he cant finish it, fine. If he is passing it off to Ninja or Frosty (should they want to attempt to finish this) even better.
But just leaving it in a state of limbo is not cool. Doesn't take much time at all to give an update, and people that already invested their money in this deserve something in return.
Isn't notice from ninja and Frosty that they are taking it over sufficient in this regard? Sure, for the principle of "owning up to it" I agree with you, but we all know what's going on here.
Thankfully this is progressing and we all know what's happening, but that's thanks to other people who were involved. If not, and Hubbs continued to stay quiet, we all would've been in the dark still.
That, and I feel like people who go MIA eventually leave the community. Hubbs seemed like he really liked keyboards, so I'm afraid this situation will deter him from being active. If he communicated the complications and stated he decided to pass on the project, he could still be quite the active member.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 22 January 2016, 15:42:56
Thankfully this is progressing and we all know what's happening, but that's thanks to other people who were involved. If not, and Hubbs continued to stay quiet, we all would've been in the dark still.
That, and I feel like people who go MIA eventually leave the community. Hubbs seemed like he really liked keyboards, so I'm afraid this situation will deter him from being active. If he communicated the complications and stated he decided to pass on the project, he could still be quite the active member.
There's no doubt that he should have done that, but I interpreted LSB's comment to imply that he thinks Hubble should still do so, even given the recent updates - that just seems silly to me.
Post by: hoggy on Fri, 22 January 2016, 16:02:57
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:21:38
I was more just saying it for his benefit. He just says what's up be it school needs to be first, too expensive to make, etc, and move on. Nobody can blame a person for that! Owning up to what is going on would be very accepted in think, much more so than just disappearing entirely. And yeah, what frosty and ninja are doing is fantastic, but an official blessing to finish/continue the project would be nice, just to acknowledge all of the work they have put into it.Thankfully this is progressing and we all know what's happening, but that's thanks to other people who were involved. If not, and Hubbs continued to stay quiet, we all would've been in the dark still.
That, and I feel like people who go MIA eventually leave the community. Hubbs seemed like he really liked keyboards, so I'm afraid this situation will deter him from being active. If he communicated the complications and stated he decided to pass on the project, he could still be quite the active member.
There's no doubt that he should have done that, but I interpreted LSB's comment to imply that he thinks Hubble should still do so, even given the recent updates - that just seems silly to me.
Post by: abjr on Sat, 23 January 2016, 09:51:47
And yeah, what frosty and ninja are doing is fantastic, but an official blessing to finish/continue the project would be nice, just to acknowledge all of the work they have put into it.
I had a conversation with DrHubble via text yesterday and have asked him to do exactly that. Hopefully he will post something soon.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 27 January 2016, 19:02:37
Here's my update. I am for the most part disconnected from the project for now, as you have probably noticed. This doesn't mean I've given up or that this will never happen, what it means is that it's not fair for me to claim I'm actively involved when I can't be and im not. It's my understanding that FrostyToast and Ninjadoc have continued progress on this and I encourage them to continue to update you on their progress. The best way to reach me is to contact Ninjadoc (or abjr who has been very nice about reminding me to update you guys) who has my personal info and can relay information.
It's my current understanding that we are on the search for a better shop, or if it's necessary a connection to Korea (trust me we don't want that to happen any more than you do) but it may be the only way to get it to work. I have also stopped issuing invoices for pre orders until a new shop is found since the funding for the prototype was already successful. I hope than once we find the right direction for the project we can open them back up.
I will update the title to recognize the change in the progress and will contact moderators to change ownership of the OP.
Sorry again guys for these slowdowns, it pains me too. Miss you guys :-*
Also, I would just like to agkowledge how awesome frosty and ninja have been to support this. You guys are great!
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 27 January 2016, 19:04:02
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Wed, 27 January 2016, 20:39:41
Post by: bocahgundul on Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:00:04
Post by: hwood34 on Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:03:34
It's my current understanding that we are on the search for a better shop, or if it's necessary a connection to Korea (trust me we don't want that to happen any more than you do) but it may be the only way to get it to work.
Trust me, I don't think many people care whether it's made here or abroad.
Post by: en7ropy on Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:12:00
It's my current understanding that we are on the search for a better shop, or if it's necessary a connection to Korea (trust me we don't want that to happen any more than you do) but it may be the only way to get it to work.
Trust me, I don't think many people care whether it's made here or abroad.
Agreed. I care way more about price. I'd rather save $100+ and have it made overseas. What was that quote for US manufacturer a few pages back? It was like $700.
Personally, I prefer the board to be <$400.
Post by: romevi on Wed, 27 January 2016, 21:31:12
It's my current understanding that we are on the search for a better shop, or if it's necessary a connection to Korea (trust me we don't want that to happen any more than you do) but it may be the only way to get it to work.
Trust me, I don't think many people care whether it's made here or abroad.
Agreed. I care way more about price. I'd rather save $100+ and have it made overseas. What was that quote for US manufacturer a few pages back? It was like $700.
Personally, I prefer the board to be <$400.
Agreeded.
It was neat that it would be made here in the States, and understandably a bit more expensive than a normal custom. However, it was never a dealbreaker for me if the board wasn't made here. I very much like the design and planned on getting a black from the get-go.
Post by: limitz on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:05:24
If a machinist is really the limiting factor here, contact them, and at least get a quote.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:21:20
I've recommended my machinist both in PM and several posts above. They're based in Vancouver, do excellent work, and I think they charge a reasonable price.Please do :)
If a machinist is really the limiting factor here, contact them, and at least get a quote.
Canada is still part of America (the continent)
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 28 January 2016, 00:22:23
As a bonus maybe our **** dollar will lower the prices further xD
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:06:14
Our economy is so **** we do need the business.
As a bonus maybe our **** dollar will lower the prices further xD
And the Mira gets made. Win-win-win?
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 28 January 2016, 01:16:42
Our economy is so **** we do need the business.
As a bonus maybe our **** dollar will lower the prices further xD
The currency factors alone are a good enough reason to get this made outside the US
The strong dollar means that there are cheaper alternatives in other markets and that more international folk will be able to get in
Post by: theanyday on Thu, 28 January 2016, 23:38:20
Post by: flopix on Fri, 29 January 2016, 02:39:09
Cheers,
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 29 January 2016, 15:56:48
If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:08:53
Thank you for your hard work, frostytoast and ninjadoc. I have no expertise in getting keyboard parts made, but hopefully you can get more GH support as the project moves along. Maybe JD can offer some advice, *wink* :)
I think one of the problems with getting the case parts made abroad would be lack of quality control checks between manufacturing steps on the part of group buy organizers. Unless one of the organizers happens to live in the country of manufacture and is able to visit the shops and monitor progress. Otherwise I personally don't see a problem with doing at least part of the manufacturing abroad. I just remember that the US-made Skeldon case was Very expensive, and it was a simple wedge design, not as intricate as Mira. Lower number of orders though, if I remember correctly, so that might have been why.
Yeah it would be great if we could visit shops ourselves, but it would be difficult since ninjadoc lives in an expensive country; and, well, my country (Canada) doesn't have anything (plus shipping from here would be insane)
The machinist I utilize is Vancouver based, and they do excellent work. See examples:
http://www.liquid-ion.com/img/ourgoal.jpg
http://www.liquid-ion.com/img/pd_productshot_1.jpg
I'm glad this project won't be slowed down by Hubble leaving. That's awesome to hear.
Interesting work. The largest issue I would see is shipping to and from Canada is almost as costly as to Korea. That said, I'm waiting on my quote from another part of the world now.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:11:25
If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
I appreciate you making this spreadsheet available but I must admit to finding it interesting that I've never seen it. Obviously I downloaded a copy.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:15:12
I thought that this spreadsheet had been posted at some point previously within this thread.If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
I appreciate you making this spreadsheet available but I must admit to finding it interesting that I've never seen it. Obviously I downloaded a copy.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:16:56
I thought that this spreadsheet had been posted at some point previously within this thread.If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
I appreciate you making this spreadsheet available but I must admit to finding it interesting that I've never seen it. Obviously I downloaded a copy.
I know Frosty straightened out this list but I've not seen the list he has worked on.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:17:25
Ah :) anyway, I'm just glad I'm on it :)I thought that this spreadsheet had been posted at some point previously within this thread.If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
I appreciate you making this spreadsheet available but I must admit to finding it interesting that I've never seen it. Obviously I downloaded a copy.
I know Frosty straightened out this list but I've not seen the list he has worked on.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:22:21
I'm going to try to type up the issues in the design of the Mira that contribute to the cost and address what Frosty and I are trying to do to diminish them. I'm going to do that offline in the next two days so I can think about what I'm saying and not do it on the fly.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:30:41
The fact that people haven't seen the spreadsheet (even ninjadoc :-[ ) is a clear example of that.
Once we really kick it off with the next major update we'll do an overhaul of the OP.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 29 January 2016, 16:42:04
If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
wanna trade numbers?
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 29 January 2016, 17:04:58
I'll admit that the OP does need to change a lot.
The fact that people haven't seen the spreadsheet (even ninjadoc :-[ ) is a clear example of that.
Once we really kick it off with the next major update we'll do an overhaul of the OP.
You probably know this, but you can PM a mod for OP changes. :thumb:
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 29 January 2016, 18:09:06
If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
wanna trade numbers?
Sure! I assume 31 has more value to you than me so I don't mind at all. :thumb:
Post by: flopix on Sat, 30 January 2016, 03:22:01
If you guys plan to update the OP, can you please link to the most recent list with users/numbers? Current link dates to 08/15 and quite some things have happened since :)
Cheers,
Here's the spreadsheet to follow.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
Thank thee!
Post by: Bucky on Mon, 08 February 2016, 14:49:44
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 23 February 2016, 14:56:27
That is more than we all want to pay and in a second post I will discuss the issues with the original design as I understand them, issues with this design, and what can be done to produce the Mira at a price we all like.
So, here are the pictures I suspect all are waiting to see. I haven’t received them yet but I know all would like some news. Remember these are prototypes so they will not be perfect.
Winkey
(http://i.imgur.com/Bok85hhl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/Bok85hhl.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/C093kURl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/C093kURl.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZAH5zoml.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ZAH5zoml.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/8Kucjsvl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/8Kucjsvl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/dW9IXjVl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dW9IXjVl.jpg)
Winkeyless
(http://i.imgur.com/E19NA3Xl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/E19NA3Xl.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/g5EE8g1l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/g5EE8g1l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/r34ovrll.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/r34ovrll.jpg)
Post by: Vala on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:05:25
Good luck though, it looks awesome!
Post by: romevi on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:05:45
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:08:30
$600 is out of my budget range, sadly.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:12:46
That looks nice, thanks for your hard work! I think the logo above the arrow keys needs a bit of reworking. Specifically, at a glance it looks like "O'MIRA", which is a bit weird. Maybe some separation between the two circles and the MIRA word would make it look less like an O and apostrophe?
$600 is out of my budget range, sadly.
Good point but if you look at the original prototype it is the same.
Wait till I go over the changes and the proposed changes and then any comments about what we would like would be appreciated. We are trying to get it down to a reasonable cost.
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:14:17
Post by: 64rky on Tue, 23 February 2016, 15:49:08
;D
Post by: Patchwrks on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:08:36
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:20:11
Price is high, but this is headed in the right direction :)
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:27:19
I will probably have to dip into education funds for this. ****.
Negative profit should also not be a thing in group buys.
Not saying I ever intended to get anything from helping out but ninja must feel the hurt.
I really do hope you guys can manage with the price. There are absolutely no plans on making overhead on these boards. Not even to make up for extra expenses.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:33:31
Rip cad.
I will probably have to dip into education funds for this. ****.
care to elaborate?
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:33:46
price is damn high but build quality looks stunning
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:39:03
Rip cad.
I will probably have to dip into education funds for this. ****.
care to elaborate?
With the Canadian dollar being so low I will have to spend upwards of $900CAD to get a hold of this board.
I personally won't have that much to spend on a board with all of my other expenses trying to fit in.
Due to the high cost that comes with producing the board we also cannot make any profit whatsoever.
Not even ninjadoc can get anything from this, let alone myself.
Post by: evangs on Tue, 23 February 2016, 16:41:27
Rip cad.
I will probably have to dip into education funds for this. ****.
care to elaborate?
With the Canadian dollar being so low I will have to spend upwards of $900CAD to get a hold of this board.
I personally won't have that much to spend on a board with all of my other expenses trying to fit in.
Due to the high cost that comes with producing the board we also cannot make any profit whatsoever.
Not even ninjadoc can get anything from this, let alone myself.
ahh gotcha. I totally read 'cad' as computer aided design.... yeah this project is going to be hard to complete. I'd love to buy one, but that is just too much to shell out for a keyboard :(
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 23 February 2016, 18:18:31
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:16:47
So why does the Mira cost so much to make and what are some of the issues with the design. These issues were brought up by the CAD guys at the first machine shop, geekhackers, and actually LZ commented to me about some issues that unfortunately turned about to be true.
First the issues with the first prototype were the length of the blockers, the size of the :Esc: hole, and the separation of the function keys. LZ mentioned something about this initially to me and I didn’t understand what he meant. Turns out the Koreans apparently have a standard template for the top of a TKL keyboard from what I’ve been told. All of this has been corrected.
(http://i.imgur.com/2kGgeyGl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2kGgeyGl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E19NA3Xl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/E19NA3Xl.jpg?1)
Next is the USB hole. This contributed both to time machining because of the bevel and requiring the aluminum machine to be flipped over on its side to be machined and I suspect the location also contributed to the time being machined.
(http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg)
If you look at the Duck boards, KMAC’s, and LZ’s boards usually the USB hole is on the edge of the top or bottom of the shell and is usually a straight hole.
(http://i.imgur.com/dK0h6Cnl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/dK0h6Cnl.jpg)
This has been corrected on this last prototype.
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5jWpuRl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Z5jWpuRl.jpg)
Machine shops sometimes round the edges of two pieces being joined together like the initial prototype.
(http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg)
This was corrected on the second prototype
(http://i.imgur.com/PlpgLdel.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PlpgLdel.jpg)
This probably had little or no effect on the cost but it is something to watch for if you try manufacturing a keyboard.
There are several things lumped together in this next cost increasing part of the design. Hubble tried to keep the cost down by utilizing the method OTD uses with The Cheat.
(http://i.imgur.com/3YDjTdUl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/3YDjTdUl.jpg)
Here he utilized the round tabs seen here. It does work and when I dismantled my Cheat to have it reanodized I discovered the previous owner had used a thin cloth tape to create a snug fit. The first machine shop complained about this because they felt it didn’t add enough support. They also kept muttering about how the inside radiuses were time consuming to mill. At the time I didn’t understand what they were talking about and never received an answer that helped me. I thought they were talking about this corner –
(http://i.imgur.com/0wmx65ul.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/0wmx65ul.jpg)
That is not exactly it. They were talking about the area the screw goes through and holds the plate and case together. They created more machine time. That has been changed to the standard method of attaching the plate to the top and making the inside of the case straight.
(http://i.imgur.com/2Mn9ClTl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2Mn9ClTl.jpg)
The base of the case was made slightly thicker to prevent the deformity that occurred during anodizing. I have no idea what this is called and the only answer I’ve gotten from anodizing companies that the metal was to thin. If that is true how do they anodize screens?
(http://i.imgur.com/1IlasxMl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1IlasxMl.jpg)
We’ve used brass on these prototypes and I have the concern that another group will complain about its use. Due to these concerns probably Mira and the number of the case will be placed on the brass rather than names of individuals involved in the design and manufacture of the Mira.
(http://i.imgur.com/8Kucjsvl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/8Kucjsvl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2Mn9ClTl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2Mn9ClTl.jpg)
Brass is easier and less expensive to machine than stainless steel. The stainless steel was cut out of a solid block and the brass was done the same way.
(http://i.imgur.com/gQ1Bk9el.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/gQ1Bk9el.jpg)
After discussion with the person doing the CAD and the machine shop we feel it will be less expensive if that is done by cutting three pieces out of a flat sheet. I’m not sure of how much this will reduce production cost but it should diminish it.
This is not truly a cost cutting measure but an aesthetic improvement - if you notice the original prototype cure the edge were it meets the case is rounded
(http://i.imgur.com/1IlasxMl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1IlasxMl.jpg)
This machine shop has been able to sharpen that edge which makes it “cleaner”.
(http://i.imgur.com/fnYM47Vl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fnYM47Vl.jpg)
Lastly is a design change that reduces machine time by about two hours and improves the stability of the Mira when typing. It changes the angle of the case by about one degree and reduces the height of the Mira into the range of other custom keyboards. Hopefully it may lend itself to a diffuser plate but that hasn’t been discussed yet. The back of the initial design looks like this
(http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/E1itAFRl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/E1itAFRl.jpg)
LZ mentioned something about the back angle of the case. His English is not good and my Korean is nonexistent and all I understood was the angle was bad, and problems with the function row. If you type “vigorously” and utilize the function row the keyboard may rock. Under normal conditions this is not a concern but it can happen.
This view demonstrates the curve and the lip at the back of the case. The screws go through here to hold the case together.
(http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg)
Apparently that area takes at least two hours of machine time. Obviously that is significant. It has been suggested that the rear of the case should be redesigned like this
(http://i.imgur.com/QcUzZrUl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/QcUzZrUl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/vpupHvAl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/vpupHvAl.png)
This will reduce machine time, increase stability of the case, lower the height, and improve the angle of the typing surface. Hopefully this is acceptable to all of you.
Photoelectric mentioned that the “Mira” logo looks like “O’Mira” . This was true on the initial prototype
(http://i.imgur.com/2kGgeyGl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/2kGgeyGl.jpg)
And the current prototype
(http://i.imgur.com/FkLvnVdl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/FkLvnVdl.jpg)
I agree to an extent. Due to size constraints and uncertainty about how a change would affect the proportion of the lettering to the size of the case I’m at a loss of what I or the CAD person could do about this.
The changes I’ve mentioned in design along with the change in the plate hopefully will get this down to a price everyone is comfortable with. Any comments, thoughts, suggestions are welcomed. Tell me what you think -I and others are trying to get this to a price we are all comfortable with.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:19:25
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:20:07
plus massive thank you to ninjadoc - I don't wanna know how much work has gone into this
Post by: Jokrik on Tue, 23 February 2016, 21:43:11
the prototype is beautiful already, and I've to agree that polls would be the safe bet
Post by: Patchwrks on Tue, 23 February 2016, 22:30:59
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 23 February 2016, 23:13:43
When you are mentioning potential prices does that still include the Zealios? That definitely makes the high price a little easier to swallow. I like the changes, and am glad to see 2 more prototypes, it also made me realize how great this board looks in silver. I am definitely interested in a diffuser option if someone is looking into that.
Whenever this does get produced is there a plan to get Ninjadoc reimbursed for all these expenses? Selling the prototypes will help, but I would be willing to donate some to help too.
Post by: logomachy on Tue, 23 February 2016, 23:53:59
Glad to see this moving forward.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 24 February 2016, 00:04:51
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 24 February 2016, 00:11:25
Post by: romevi on Wed, 24 February 2016, 00:32:26
PM me if you're interested. I know I'll kick myself once these are assembled in people's homes.
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Post by: codywanks on Wed, 24 February 2016, 03:33:16
I'm fine with the current logo design, personally. I know what it stands for, and that's the most important part anyway.
Likewise. It doesn't look like O'Mira to me at all.
Are those cost-cutting options already included into the $600 estimate or are you saying that the changes you've made and will still make will cut costs still more toward the $400 mark?
I'd like to know too. I think what he means is the latest version already has all the cost-cutting options (which we can see in the photos) and yet it still costs $600.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:07:14
I've been silently following this thread for a while and hoping the GB comes to fruition. Judging from the latest batch of pictures it seems this will become a reality sooner rather than later :thumb: Thanks ninjadoc (and whoever else helping out behind the scenes).I'm fine with the current logo design, personally. I know what it stands for, and that's the most important part anyway.
Likewise. It doesn't look like O'Mira to me at all.Are those cost-cutting options already included into the $600 estimate or are you saying that the changes you've made and will still make will cut costs still more toward the $400 mark?
I'd like to know too. I think what he means is the latest version already has all the cost-cutting options (which we can see in the photos) and yet it still costs $600.
NO, all the changes have not been incorporated into the above prototypes. In the current form it would cost around $600. See my next post please for an explanation.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:08:15
Not all of those changes have been incorporated, we’ve yet to remove the lip on the back of the case or change the inserts.
I’m talking bout the curved area above the USB hole and the base of the board.
(http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg)
This will make the base come out to the edge of the case in the back and eliminate the odd back of the Mira.
(http://i.imgur.com/cr0OeQsl.jpg)
This change reduces machining time around 2 hours.
Currently the brass plate is a single piece like this stainless steel plate.
(http://i.imgur.com/gQ1Bk9el.jpg)
We are going to split this in three pieces which will both cut down machine time and material cost.
The end result of these two changes is the Mira will look like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/z1HRxfil.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/fZKmPKYl.jpg)
Another prototype is pending and we shall see what the cost of production will be.
These two changes will reduce the cost, hopefully to around $400.
Post by: Blackhawk on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:36:19
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:36:45
(http://i.imgur.com/Z5jWpuRl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Z5jWpuRl.jpg)
In order to have a beveled hole like this
(http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/aUuYeQpl.jpg)
First the hole has to be cut, the material removed from the jig, and repositioned on its side, and clamped for machining. Multiply that time 100 boards and you’ve added a lot of machine time. I hope that clarifies why there is no beveled USB hole. I agree, it looks better but cost is an issue here.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:41:10
I have no personal investment in the Mira, but reading these updates is really interesting. Awesome work ninjadoc.Thank you.
I know now why Kin's and Sprit's group buys blew up in their face. This can be a nighmare to complete. Can you image LZ does 3 or 4 of these a year! If you have a good chain of production that is stable it could be done. Look at Duck's group buy on the Orion 2 and how long it took. Something when bad in his chain of production. And look at the TX1800 and the issues with quality of the cases and anodizing.
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:44:04
All the changes are fine with me as well. I don't mind the logo as it is now either. The only thing I don't like is the USB hole but that is so minor it seems the benefits of simplifying the machining outweigh the additional cost by a long shot. Again, great work on this and thanks for sticking with this project.
Post by: 64rky on Wed, 24 February 2016, 11:45:12
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 24 February 2016, 12:07:34
So I pre-ordered, and paid a $40 deposit, not in the top 57, Sooooooo.... Am I in?
You are definitely in!
Post by: heedpantsnow on Wed, 24 February 2016, 14:34:47
I'm also sorry this has been such a headache. Hopefully it will have a glorious completion.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 24 February 2016, 14:40:21
Post by: codywanks on Wed, 24 February 2016, 18:14:28
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 24 February 2016, 18:35:25
Enjoy reading this book. My goal is to get this as close to $400 as possible. I'm going to check with a moderator to get two polls - one on cost, the other on anodizing colors. Hopefully I can get this done in the next two days.
Poll #1 is added. :thumb:
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 25 February 2016, 13:48:14
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 25 February 2016, 13:53:52
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 25 February 2016, 14:17:39
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
The poll is asking what you would pay for a kit.
That would include the housing as well as pcb with presoldered controllers and SMD components.
Stabilisers, switches, etc are not included.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 25 February 2016, 14:19:27
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
The poll is asking what you would pay for a kit.
That would include the housing as well as pcb with presoldered controllers and SMD components.
Stabilisers, switches, etc are not included.
I have a question about that. If I recall correctly, wasn't Zeal initially planning to donate gold stabs to the first 57 boards? Is that still the case, or should I be picking up some on my own?
Post by: en7ropy on Thu, 25 February 2016, 14:20:53
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
The poll is asking what you would pay for a kit.
That would include the housing as well as pcb with presoldered controllers and SMD components.
Stabilisers, switches, etc are not included.
Looks like a lot more at $400 than I expected to see, especially since you worded it as the maximum you'd be willing to pay.
Perhaps send a PM to the people that pre-ordered but haven't voted yet?
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:09:45
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
Normally when you buy a "keyboard kit" in a groupbuy it includes case, PCB. and plate. This includes screws, the 3 M feet if used and nothing else. I've asked the person who agreed to sell us PCB's about getting SMD components presoldered at the factory and they agreed to do so. All you will have to do is install stabilizers, switches, and LED's. As for gold plated stabilizers I will have to check with Zeal.
At this point this is going to be a one man show checking, sorting, and packing all this so I have no interest in dealing with switches too. Now if you want to come to Cincinnati, stay here until everything is checked, packaged, and shipped I will be happy to give you switches for the Mira. That is not a blanket offer by the way! :)
Thanks
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:37:28
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
Normally when you buy a "keyboard kit" in a groupbuy it includes case, PCB. and plate. This includes screws, the 3 M feet if used and nothing else. I've asked the person who agreed to sell us PCB's about getting SMD components presoldered at the factory and they agreed to do so. All you will have to do is install stabilizers, switches, and LED's. As for gold plated stabilizers I will have to check with Zeal.
At this point this is going to be a one man show checking, sorting, and packing all this so I have no interest in dealing with switches too. Now if you want to come to Cincinnati, stay here until everything is checked, packaged, and shipped I will be happy to give you switches for the Mira. That is not a blanket offer by the way! :)
Thanks
Yes, thank you for clarifying. This is what I thought. I filled out the poll. Thanks again for taking over, ninjadoc
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 25 February 2016, 17:51:43
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 25 February 2016, 18:08:55
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 25 February 2016, 20:02:56
If it's gonna be a one man show please let me know if I can help out at all
Frosty and Zeal both live in Canada. I'm getting the finishing done in Indianapolis. So Frosty has done the paperwork, Zeal may do collections, and I'll end up with the manual labor. Some variant of this is what will happen.
Post by: Vala on Thu, 25 February 2016, 20:17:20
So, I'm not sure how attached everybody is to the front logo, but this could be an option.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 25 February 2016, 20:22:12
Don't know if this sounds silly, but would it perhaps be for the best to remove the Mira engraving from the front? If there are brass weights in the bottom that have the logo, the fact that it is a Mira is still evident, but it would eliminate the issue of it looking like "O' Mira", and I don't really know if a lot of people even like having logos on the front of their keyboards (I personally don't). It would also help lower the price (less machine time).I'd be fine with this! I don't really have an opinion either way, buy it does seem like a good way to bring costs down.
So, I'm not sure how attached everybody is to the front logo, but this could be an option.
Post by: logomachy on Thu, 25 February 2016, 20:29:07
Don't know if this sounds silly, but would it perhaps be for the best to remove the Mira engraving from the front?I'm fine with this if only because I'll never be able to unsee O'MIRA.
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 25 February 2016, 21:46:53
i want to give you an accurate response, but i still have questions, man.
are the prices in the poll "kit" prices - like, including pcb, any miscellaneous electrical parts, stabilizers, zealios, etc? or is this just price for the case and mid-plate?
if this is not going to be a "kit," it's still not clear to me what pcbs are supported, or where we can source them from
The poll is asking what you would pay for a kit.
That would include the housing as well as pcb with presoldered controllers and SMD components.
Stabilisers, switches, etc are not included.
Looks like a lot more at $400 than I expected to see, especially since you worded it as the maximum you'd be willing to pay.
Perhaps send a PM to the people that pre-ordered but haven't voted yet?
Yeah I find that pretty surprising as well. I was under the impression the goal was to get the board close to $400 if possible but understanding it would be more like $450-$500. That is what I figured from the beginning.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 25 February 2016, 22:12:02
Don't know if this sounds silly, but would it perhaps be for the best to remove the Mira engraving from the front?I'm fine with this if only because I'll never be able to unsee O'MIRA.
I would vote to keep an engraving. If enough people dislike it, I'd vote to still keep *something* there, either "Mira" or the two disks for the binary system. Could do two disks at the present location and the word "Mira" on the rear, like for LZ-GH.
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 22:16:05
It's a circle, rather than an O
But either way, i like it as well
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 25 February 2016, 23:40:12
+ it cant save THAT much money to get rid of, so probably not worth it
Post by: ocodo on Fri, 26 February 2016, 00:19:23
Has to reduce machining costs too, right?
Post by: hoggy on Fri, 26 February 2016, 00:22:34
I would prefer to lose the Oo engraving from the top, as we have the rather nice insert on the bottom of the case.
The case looks best when viewed from the side looking slightly down, that could be a good place for a subtle logo...
Post by: hwood34 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 00:31:53
No logo on the front would be an improvement. I hope we can poll this, I think it would be far classier to be logo free on the front.
Has to reduce machining costs too, right?
Reduce them a bit, but honestly nothing worth totally removing it over
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 26 February 2016, 08:09:22
Could do two disks at the present location and the word "Mira" on the rear, like for LZ-GH.
I am not currently committed to this buy, but am very interested, money permitting. What Photo said here is my suggestion as well, for whatever it's worth as a current bystander.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 08:14:44
Could do two disks at the present location and the word "Mira" on the rear, like for LZ-GH.
I am not currently committed to this buy, but am very interested, money permitting. What Photo said here is my suggestion as well, for whatever it's worth as a current bystander.
A rear engraving would add too much to the cost for the exact reason why we changed the USB hole; we would have to flip the case on its side during the milling process.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Fri, 26 February 2016, 08:17:37
Could do two disks at the present location and the word "Mira" on the rear, like for LZ-GH.
I am not currently committed to this buy, but am very interested, money permitting. What Photo said here is my suggestion as well, for whatever it's worth as a current bystander.
A rear engraving would add too much to the cost for the exact reason why we changed the USB hole; we would have to flip the case on its side during the milling process.
But it would look cool. ;D
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 08:20:20
Could do two disks at the present location and the word "Mira" on the rear, like for LZ-GH.
I am not currently committed to this buy, but am very interested, money permitting. What Photo said here is my suggestion as well, for whatever it's worth as a current bystander.
A rear engraving would add too much to the cost for the exact reason why we changed the USB hole; we would have to flip the case on its side during the milling process.
But it would look cool. ;D
It would look cool but not cool enough to justify the cost.
I'm not comfortable making petty changes that would result in everyone having to pay a higher price; even for those who didn't want those changes.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 26 February 2016, 08:25:36
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:23:54
Forget I said anything about the engraving then! Definitely nice to have one.
I definitely respect the idea but right now our primary issue is trying to lower the cost and unfortunately adding to the design isn't an option.
I have an LZ myself and the rear engraving is pretty sick. Though that's not an option we can take.
I myself find that the engravings on cases adds a little bit of personality to the board. Most boards have some sort of engraving to give them a distinctive look.
Post by: ika on Fri, 26 February 2016, 09:36:07
Post by: fi0x on Fri, 26 February 2016, 10:12:50
Quote
What does this mean?Zealios on the other hand was not specified in the initial op, only teased that Zeal was contributing to the project with his then new project of his own (Zealios). Whether that was gonna be provided for the project or if it was another purchase/package-with-extra-price was not completely clarified; I assumed it was a separate purchase on top of the Mira in the same package (another price concern for me).
In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
I think the Mira with all the cost-cutting changes still looks amazing. Personally if the weight for the board will not be visible to the eye the engraving on it is optional to me. I do not know how much that will cut the costs though, I doubt much at all.
Perhaps a list could be made of all the aesthetic parts that will increase or cut costs and let the users (and more importantly the first 57 Pre-buyers) decide whether it is worth cutting that cost or retaining the aesthetic appeal or the aesthetic define of the Mira.
I live in Vancouver and I lament the state of the Canadian dollar. I dread the state of my wallet and bank account the day Mira comes to fruition. T_T
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Hubble despite all the mishaps, Thank you for bringing us this project! You have done something impactful in your life, for us with great intentions, which is something I have yet to do. XD
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Huge thanks to FrostyToast, Ninjadoc, ZealPC, and all other uncredited people behind the scenes. This project would not get to where it's at without all of you!
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And remember
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Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 11:23:50
MoreFrom what I understood. The first 57 Pre Order will get the Gold Stabs as that was part of the "perks" of being in the first 57.QuoteWhat does this mean?Zealios on the other hand was not specified in the initial op, only teased that Zeal was contributing to the project with his then new project of his own (Zealios). Whether that was gonna be provided for the project or if it was another purchase/package-with-extra-price was not completely clarified; I assumed it was a separate purchase on top of the Mira in the same package (another price concern for me).
In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers :p :))
I think the Mira with all the cost-cutting changes still looks amazing. Personally if the weight for the board will not be visible to the eye the engraving on it is optional to me. I do not know how much that will cut the costs though, I doubt much at all.
Perhaps a list could be made of all the aesthetic parts that will increase or cut costs and let the users (and more importantly the first 57 Pre-buyers) decide whether it is worth cutting that cost or retaining the aesthetic appeal or the aesthetic define of the Mira.
I live in Vancouver and I lament the state of the Canadian dollar. I dread the state of my wallet and bank account the day Mira comes to fruition. T_T
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Hubble despite all the mishaps, Thank you for bringing us this project! You have done something impactful in your life, for us with great intentions, which is something I have yet to do. XD
(Attachment Link)
Huge thanks to FrostyToast, Ninjadoc, ZealPC, and all other uncredited people behind the scenes. This project would not get to where it's at without all of you!
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And remember
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Thought this was one of Vesper's notorious half page posts...
Post by: romevi on Fri, 26 February 2016, 11:25:28
Amazing how this board and eventual GB is turning out!However, as for me, the older I get in this hobby the more I realize I don't need more than one MX TKL. So, even though I fought for my number, I'm now offering my spot.
PM me if you're interested. I know I'll kick myself once these are assembled in people's homes.
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My spot #27 has been claimed by patchworks. Not sure what all needs to be done to modify the spreadsheet, or who's in charge of it now.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:00:44
Amazing how this board and eventual GB is turning out!However, as for me, the older I get in this hobby the more I realize I don't need more than one MX TKL. So, even though I fought for my number, I'm now offering my spot.
PM me if you're interested. I know I'll kick myself once these are assembled in people's homes.
CLAIMED
My spot #27 has been claimed by patchworks. Not sure what all needs to be done to modify the spreadsheet, or who's in charge of it now.
Awesome I can make that change!
Sorry to see you leave us but I'm glad that some other lucky soul can be a part of this buy!
Post by: romevi on Fri, 26 February 2016, 16:17:49
Amazing how this board and eventual GB is turning out!However, as for me, the older I get in this hobby the more I realize I don't need more than one MX TKL. So, even though I fought for my number, I'm now offering my spot.
PM me if you're interested. I know I'll kick myself once these are assembled in people's homes.
CLAIMED
My spot #27 has been claimed by patchworks. Not sure what all needs to be done to modify the spreadsheet, or who's in charge of it now.
Awesome I can make that change!
Sorry to see you leave us but I'm glad that some other lucky soul can be a part of this buy!
It brings tears to my eyes, and not good ones. :'(
That number too was pretty personal, but in the end I realize I don't need more than one MX TKL. Heck--I wouldn't even know what switches to put in it.
Lately, I've been focusing on having one keyboard of a switch type per layout size, and, as I already have a TKL with MX switches, alas I do not need another. :(
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 26 February 2016, 18:27:36
My vote would be to keep the logo on the front, I still think it looks cool.
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 18:40:31
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 26 February 2016, 18:49:05
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 18:52:50
I voted for 450. I think that's a good price for a kit like this, but much over 500 and I'd probably pass. I've paid 450 plus shipping for kits like this before, and feel that's a fair price. Even if every part had to be made in China to get it at 450, I'm fine with that.
I voted for $450 as well, I think that is more than fair. I still don't really see myself letting an extra $25-$50 stop me from getting this board either but anything past $450 for me is where it starts to hurt the wallet. :))
Post by: Patchwrks on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:02:23
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:13:46
I went for $500. I paid $470 for the LZ-RV, so I'm willing to pay something similar for this board.I voted for 450. I think that's a good price for a kit like this, but much over 500 and I'd probably pass. I've paid 450 plus shipping for kits like this before, and feel that's a fair price. Even if every part had to be made in China to get it at 450, I'm fine with that.
I voted for $450 as well, I think that is more than fair. I still don't really see myself letting an extra $25-$50 stop me from getting this board either but anything past $450 for me is where it starts to hurt the wallet. :))
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:15:25
Gonna be embarrassing if I don't buy this board. :))
Post by: theginginator on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:16:54
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:18:42
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:20:55
i think we should try for $400, but it seems like a split majority is willing to pay $450. i voted $400, but if we don't hit that price point, it doesnt mean i'm pulling out. we've come to far to stop now
Well the poll is for "What is the *maximum* price you would pay for a Mira keyboard?" Obviously everybody wants it as cheap as possible.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:22:40
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:28:02
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:37:46
Originally the estimate was around $400. That doesn't include switches and whatever other small things like LEDs, stickers, whatever. At least a number of people, including myself, joined and planned for approximately that budget. That seems to be the budget we should be going for, at least for those dozens of us who've made the initial investment. If it's more, then you could make a poll about how many can afford the higher price. That'd be better rather than making this poll open to anyone who's not even seriously considered joining yet. Can make a google docs type form poll with a submission, so those who've joined already can enter with their user name and e-mail address and all that.I have number 47 reserved, and I have no issues with a $500 price point for this board.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:46:10
I voted for 450. I think that's a good price for a kit like this, but much over 500 and I'd probably pass. I've paid 450 plus shipping for kits like this before, and feel that's a fair price. Even if every part had to be made in China to get it at 450, I'm fine with that.
I'm trying to find the cutoff point that people will tolerate. At this point I have $1500+ of my money in a group buy that is not even mine. I wanted to see a this produced but I'm not going to subsidize everyone getting a keyboard. Let me do a separate post.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:49:27
Originally the estimate was around $400. That doesn't include switches and whatever other small things like LEDs, stickers, whatever. At least a number of people, including myself, joined and planned for approximately that budget. That seems to be the budget we should be going for, at least for those dozens of us who've made the initial investment. If it's more, then you could make a poll about how many can afford the higher price. That'd be better rather than making this poll open to anyone who's not even seriously considered joining yet. Can make a google docs type form poll with a submission, so those who've joined already can enter with their user name and e-mail address and all that.
What I'm looking for with the poll is what everyone's comfort level is. Naming a price for an item without knowing the cost of production is not a good way to produce an item.
Post by: fi0x on Fri, 26 February 2016, 19:58:59
Now if were talking $450 Canadian, please, no problem.... But anything over $540 Canadian for me as a first time custom keyboard is not worth it. That's half a thousand dollars guys. HALF A THOUSAND! Thats almost a months worth of pay. I have a part-time job and am also in school. Money doesn't come very easily as I want or hope it t, Otherwise $500 USD bring it on.
As Photoelectric puts it, many of us joined and planned for approximately the budget provided, which is my current comfort level, as the current exchange rate gives me nightmares.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:08:06
price to produce an unfinished (not sandblasted or anodized) keyboard
Shipping of all the unfinished keyboards to the sandblaster
Cost of sandblasting
Shipping from sandblaster to the shop that anodizes the keyboard
Anodizing the keyboard
Shipping of the keyboard to me
Production of the keyboard plate
Shipping the keyboard plate to me
Production of the PCB
Shipping of the PCB to me
Purchasing all the screws to assemble the keyboard
Shipping and tax on all the screws to assemble the keyboard
Purchasing all the 3M feet for the keyboard
Purchasing all the bubble wrap, foam wrap, boxes,and tape to pack all the keyboards
Getting everyone's order together, finalizing shipping and paypal fees, shipping everything once its been paid for
This does not include gas, my time arranging all this, many hours spent with shops, getting to bid stage and companies withdrawing, going to meet people at shops and them not being there, me sitting on a freeway for 4 hours one day because of an accident that closed the freeway, etc. This also doesn't include failed anodizing, failed cerakote, boards at shops for powdercoating for weeks, and similar fruitless trials to see what could be done to produce this.
More to it than some of you thought, I expect. I'm trying to get it to $400 but truly I have no idea what it will be. I believe the last few changes will decrease the cost dramatically but until it's done I won't know.
I, Frosty, Zeal, and others had nothing to do with Hubble's initial quote on the Mira. Once I get a price utilizing all of the above I will post it, possibly in a poll, to see how many are willing to purchase it at that cost. If it is below the MOQ of the shop producing the board or the anodizer's willingness to anodize the boards at a reasonable cost I will call an end to this group buy. I've spent to much time and effort on this and every corner that can be cut has been done to try to reduce the price. I think that covers everything i can say at this point. I will ask Frosty if he has anything he would like to add.
Post by: radio_killah on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:11:22
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:11:59
Post by: romevi on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:20:44
Post by: user 18 on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:28:44
Did the $40 deposit everyone pitched in go toward getting the samples?
Yes
Post by: jdcarpe on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:29:17
But yes, any time you organize a group buy things will always be more expensive than initially planned, due to things like shipping things between locations, PayPal fees on every transaction, and such.
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 26 February 2016, 20:33:58
Ideally you would want to have the cases and plates milled by the same shop. Then, at the same or another shop, have it all media blasted and anodized in the same batches, so the colors will be sure to match. That also cuts down on the number of moves, and shipping costs, opportunities for damage, etc. But I'm sure you know this already.
But yes, any time you organize a group buy things will always be more expensive than initially planned, due to things like shipping things between locations, PayPal fees on every transaction, and such.
We are using different shops for finishing and such because the milling shop cannot offer acceptable quality for the boards.
Also, on the subject of the logo, the thing costs 5 bucks to do. Anyone who wants to remove it due to price concerns should no longer be worried.
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Fri, 26 February 2016, 21:27:19
Post by: meiosis on Fri, 26 February 2016, 21:29:10
MostDid the $40 deposit everyone pitched in go toward getting the samples?
Yes
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 21:35:36
Is the limitation with finding an appropriate shop due to keeping production within CA? Would it be possible to find someone state side to act as a shipping proxy and perhaps reduce cost if there would be more options in terms of production locations?
The whole purpose was to find have it made in America. Still having difficulty finding a machine shop that can produce them for a moderate price.
Post by: Patchwrks on Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:10:43
Post by: Steezus on Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:20:27
How much interest would theoretically be necessary to make this GB a reality?
Interest isn't the problem, there's plenty of that. It's about getting the machine hours down to reduce the cost.
Post by: toidbb on Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:20:37
How much interest would theoretically be necessary to make this GB a reality?
I think that this is beyond IC at this point, unless the folks that already had a slot in the original first go, are not the only ones capable of purchasing one. Which at this point it seems like it may be....
If I am wrong, I will take one :)
Post by: Patchwrks on Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:22:34
How much interest would theoretically be necessary to make this GB a reality?
I think that this is beyond IC at this point, unless the folks that already had a slot in the original first go, are not the only ones capable of purchasing one. Which at this point it seems like it may be....
If I am wrong, I will take one :)
from what i understand, there *was* going to be a limited run of 100 units produced and only the first 57 would be able to have a say in what number is engraved into their weight.
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 26 February 2016, 22:54:40
Post by: 64rky on Sat, 27 February 2016, 08:46:36
I think people are being a bit stingy with their money when it comes to the voting. I don't see why people are choosing $400 as their max limit when there have been plenty of other kits that have gone for more. To the people that voted, you wouldn't even fork over an extra $50 to get the keyboard? So anything over $400 and you're just calling it quits.
I agree... A lot has/is gone/going into this!!
I am still in
64
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 27 February 2016, 12:55:50
Post by: Steezus on Sat, 27 February 2016, 13:27:07
I'm still in! I'd like to confirm that I am still spot number 47. Is that still the case?
You are, just check the spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 27 February 2016, 13:28:50
Thanks for linking that again! I've been in so many group buys recently that I can't keep track of who has posted spreadsheets and who hasn't...I'm still in! I'd like to confirm that I am still spot number 47. Is that still the case?
You are, just check the spreadsheet.
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1pzd7Zo5xQsonnvf7k5IL3_7KPkBGX6CVzUBtos9Jw6M/edit#gid=0
Post by: Xiro7 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 09:12:00
Post by: appleonama on Sun, 28 February 2016, 09:15:10
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 28 February 2016, 09:33:54
Any word on when official GB and total # of units will be made? I really want to get in on this.
Those last two prototypes are in the mail.
A prototype of the new design is being made now.
If it is good with everyone and the quoteis good I will see what the final price comes out to.
I will post it and see how many it is acceptable to.
Cost is the major factor and this can't keep dragging on.
That is not fair to anyone.
Post by: Xiro7 on Sun, 28 February 2016, 10:07:05
Any word on when official GB and total # of units will be made? I really want to get in on this.
Those last two prototypes are in the mail.
A prototype of the new design is being made now.
If it is good with everyone and the quoteis good I will see what the final price comes out to.
I will post it and see how many it is acceptable to.
Cost is the major factor and this can't keep dragging on.
That is not fair to anyone.
Considering the cost of some of these other custom boards, I'm less concerned with cost unless it is crazy high ($700+ type range). It is still a really nice looking keyboard.
Post by: SixtyLife on Mon, 29 February 2016, 06:27:49
Post by: Data on Mon, 29 February 2016, 14:36:27
I'm cool with all of the suggested changes. Can the brass weight be nickel plated? That's something I'd probably want to look into on my own. Nickel plated is almost as good as solid stainless, but I wouldn't want a polished brass weight because it tarnishes so easily. :P
Looking forward to seeing the latested build and the proposed pricing.
Post by: flopix on Tue, 01 March 2016, 04:15:26
Post by: hoggy on Tue, 01 March 2016, 12:28:21
I want everyone to know this is made in jest, do not send me spare body parts!
Post by: Data on Wed, 02 March 2016, 15:11:32
With so many interesting boards hitting the market I'm tempted to start an organ brokering service. Once you've come around to selling that unwanted kidney, give me a shout... I'm sure I can find a buyer.
I want everyone to know this is made in jest, do not send me spare body parts!
Instructions unclear. Sent my liver via Parcel Post.
Post by: Le7iathan on Thu, 03 March 2016, 11:16:47
Post by: en7ropy on Thu, 03 March 2016, 11:18:30
I'd definitely be in if someone isn't up for whatever the finalized price is. Unless there's a possibility of extras just without numbered plates.
There almost certainly will be. The more boards they can get made the lower the price per unit can be. I think the original goal was to sell 100 or more with the first 57 having numbers.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 03 March 2016, 14:17:12
The original goal was for there to be 100 boards made, no more, no less. The only difference between the first 57 and all of the others was that they would have gold stabilizers.I'd definitely be in if someone isn't up for whatever the finalized price is. Unless there's a possibility of extras just without numbered plates.
There almost certainly will be. The more boards they can get made the lower the price per unit can be. I think the original goal was to sell 100 or more with the first 57 having numbers.
Making more than 100 may not be the best move, since that just adds a lot more work to sorting and inspecting the boards.
Post by: Patchwrks on Tue, 08 March 2016, 10:40:57
The original goal was for there to be 100 boards made, no more, no less. The only difference between the first 57 and all of the others was that they would have gold stabilizers.I'd definitely be in if someone isn't up for whatever the finalized price is. Unless there's a possibility of extras just without numbered plates.
There almost certainly will be. The more boards they can get made the lower the price per unit can be. I think the original goal was to sell 100 or more with the first 57 having numbers.
Making more than 100 may not be the best move, since that just adds a lot more work to sorting and inspecting the boards.
100% this. Even at 100 units, sorting will be a pain
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 08 March 2016, 10:47:52
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 08 March 2016, 23:13:09
I'm going to try to send a link to anodizing samples from the company I'm planning on using and have a poll set up on color choice. Do to the expected volume produced I will request only one or two custom colors due to cost constraints and to prevent confusion when they are anodized. I tried to take pictures of the standard colors when I was there so you could see what they look like. The company has 6 - 7 colors standard - I would like to keep it to three depending on the number ordered and 1 - 2 custom colors. That prevents confusion and keeps the price down for those who desire a custom color. I may change my mind depending on what the shop is willing to do.
Quality control - I'm afraid I'm going to have to check every board when they arrive from manufacturing to find defects and attempt to repair any found. This will have to be by hand and I'll have to discuss with the finishing company if I can do it in their shop or if I will have to hole up in a hotel to do that. If I can have a few volunteers who live in driving distance of Cincinnati, OH that would be willing to help it would be appreciated. PM me if you would be interested. I will also try to hand check all boards before they are shipped from anodizing to my home for sorting.
I'm not sure if stainless plates will be available so consider that an advance warning.
With the prototype in hand the binary suns and "Mira" engraving look exactly like the "O'Mira" so that will have to go. I will probably simply go with "MIRA" since I see no way we can do two binary suns in such a small area and make them look attractive, especially since I have no way to make them different colors that I want to be responsible for. If anyone has a good design for binary suns I'm happy to review them but please PM them to me and don't place them in the thread.
The brass plate may be changed to a bottom plate. The three pieces seem to be awkward and the weight is helpful to prevent issues with the function row.
Price - anyone that has not participated in the pricing poll please do so. That includes anyone not in the preorder group because depending on the capacity of the shop I will make more of the board. It may have to be made in groups of 25 - 50 but I would like to supply everyone who desires one the opportunity to purchase it. My goal right now is to have the price in the $400 - $500 range, preferably on the lower end. I don't believe I can get it done at $400 but it might happen.
That's all for tonight. As always, any comments are welcome.
Post by: daviswalkers on Tue, 08 March 2016, 23:43:45
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 09 March 2016, 00:02:17
Very excited to see pics, just to clarify it will have winkey and winkeyless right? Or was winkeyless cut with other cost saving changes?
both
Post by: radio_killah on Wed, 09 March 2016, 00:20:32
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Wed, 09 March 2016, 00:33:40
I have a question about that.Very excited to see pics, just to clarify it will have winkey and winkeyless right? Or was winkeyless cut with other cost saving changes?
both
Will the winkeyless boards have a top plate with integrated blockers available, or is that off the table?
I've always wanted a board with built in blockers, since I don't think that the metal blanks look as good...
Post by: whentheclouds on Wed, 09 March 2016, 01:36:41
(also it's top housing* not plate)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Wed, 09 March 2016, 02:09:31
that's what david meant by his question, how did you interpret it?. anyway that's one thing you don't have to worry about, winkey blockers are grotesque and no serious gb will forgo the wkl option just because you can put blockers in the winkey slots.Lol, I meant top housing. That's the one thing about the LZ-RV (of which I am also a part) that I wish I could change.
(also it's top housing* not plate)
I interpreted it as us having built in blockers, but I'd rather be 100% sure, and get the thing I want than accidentally be wrong about something.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 09 March 2016, 06:18:33
Looking forward to seeing the new boards and anodising samples
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 09 March 2016, 12:53:25
Post by: Data on Wed, 09 March 2016, 16:24:20
Could the "O'MIRA" phenomenon be remedied by simply shifting the position of the smaller circle? Move it to the top-left, 11 o'clock position. Is that enough to fix it? Does it still fit?
I never had a problem with the O'MIRA thing and rather like the logo as it is, to be perfectly honest. The larger circle isn't the same size as the rest of the letters in the font, so it doesn't immediately look like an O, and the smaller circle looks like a circle (and not an apostrophe) to me. /shrug
Post by: daviswalkers on Wed, 09 March 2016, 22:58:39
davidIt's Davis zzz
But yes I was asking about the housing, but he was asking about the plate. He wants the plate to be solid where the winkey hole would normally be. At least that is my understanding
Post by: ika on Wed, 09 March 2016, 23:01:43
Also I wish I were a little closer so I could help with the sorting/shipping process; alas, I'm at the other end of the state and that's not really a day trip.
Also is there any chance a thin polycarbonate diffuser could be added between the top and bottom sections in the future to allow for RGB backlight compatibility?
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 10 March 2016, 21:17:53
Here are links to the two prototypes
Winkey - http://imgur.com/a/FJMka
Winkeyless - http://imgur.com/a/VxiCW
Enjoy. No blockers. Same plate will be used for both.
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 10 March 2016, 21:19:54
I thought I did this earlier - didn't.
Here are links to the two prototypes
Winkey - http://imgur.com/a/FJMka
Winkeyless - http://imgur.com/a/VxiCW
Enjoy. No blockers. Same plate will be used for both.
Wow. ;D
Post by: appleonama on Thu, 10 March 2016, 21:23:34
I thought I did this earlier - didn't.
Here are links to the two prototypes
Winkey - http://imgur.com/a/FJMka
Winkeyless - http://imgur.com/a/VxiCW
Enjoy. No blockers. Same plate will be used for both.
nvm
Post by: hwood34 on Thu, 10 March 2016, 21:24:24
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 10 March 2016, 22:30:31
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Thu, 10 March 2016, 22:42:50
that pcb looks really well done. who designed it?I believe the original plan was for a winkeyless pcb. Not sure if that's still the case though.
Post by: HPE1000 on Thu, 10 March 2016, 22:58:18
Post by: radio_killah on Thu, 10 March 2016, 23:39:08
that pcb looks really well done. who designed it?
It is the L3alphas TKL pcb made by Leeku
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Thu, 10 March 2016, 23:44:27
Great job :)
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 11 March 2016, 00:11:24
that pcb looks really well done. who designed it?Leeku has agreed to supply the board. Currently the board will have all SMD soldering done except the RGB lights on the bottom. Initially the board was too tall for a diffuser, the latest rendition should be better. We will have to see.
It is the L3alphas TKL pcb made by Leeku
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 11 March 2016, 00:13:09
If bright blue is a color available like there was in the early renders then I will certainly want one of these assuming spots are even open.
I will try to get the anodizing colors up tomorrow. I plan on opening spots if there is no limit of production by the shop. Time will answer that.
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 11 March 2016, 01:12:02
Post by: Data on Fri, 11 March 2016, 07:36:59
I thought I did this earlier - didn't.
Here are links to the two prototypes
Winkey - http://imgur.com/a/FJMka
Winkeyless - http://imgur.com/a/VxiCW
Enjoy. No blockers. Same plate will be used for both.
Sick.
It's smaller than I imagined, and I'm not sure why I had an image in my head that was bigger because it's a TKL and I type on a TKL at work every day... so I know how big they are. :confused:
Thanks for the photos.
Post by: logomachy on Fri, 11 March 2016, 20:57:29
Will the production plate be red or has that not been decided? I hope for a neutral color.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Fri, 11 March 2016, 20:59:43
This is exciting.Colors haven't been announced yet, that I'm aware of.
Will the production plate be red or has that not been decided? I hope for a neutral color.
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 11 March 2016, 23:18:53
Can't wait for this to get into production
Post by: ArnavM on Sat, 12 March 2016, 00:45:20
Post by: ika on Sat, 12 March 2016, 13:28:05
Post by: tullyvivi on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:39:47
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 13 March 2016, 13:45:00
I generally dislike people putting their logo in the outter shell, unless its a cool one...Good thing it's a cool one then.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:37:43
If anyone wants to let go of their pre-order now I am more than willing to pick up the deposit and spot :)
Depending on the machine shop if this is a go I will open the orders up again. I've been wanting to post a color poll up for days but I haven't had the time.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:48:50
(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:49:56
Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionYes PLEASE!!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
Post by: en7ropy on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:51:30
Would love to see this color in at least a plate option :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
That is amazing.
Post by: FranksNewLiver on Mon, 14 March 2016, 19:52:39
Ever since I saw this color on the Matrix 8XV1 plate, i've been dying for it.Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionYes PLEASE!!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
Hmm, goes well with Chocolatier SA too
(http://i.imgur.com/z8lkaft.png)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 14 March 2016, 20:32:06
Minty!Ever since I saw this color on the Matrix 8XV1 plate, i've been dying for it.Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionYes PLEASE!!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
Hmm, goes well with Chocolatier SA tooShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/z8lkaft.png)
Post by: ika on Mon, 14 March 2016, 21:43:52
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 14 March 2016, 23:37:15
Would love to see this color in at least a plate option :pThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 14 March 2016, 23:40:43
If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
Post by: simonyunhe on Mon, 14 March 2016, 23:49:09
Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/5ec4e7e464f7defa79d7a61f052ddc55.jpg)(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/bb240842ba3d3cc57565e2c3c299de32.jpg)
Post by: ocodo on Tue, 15 March 2016, 22:29:40
----
Please note Laughatpain is taking over my spot on the preorders list
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Tue, 15 March 2016, 22:42:23
I like the look of that thing!Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/5ec4e7e464f7defa79d7a61f052ddc55.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/bb240842ba3d3cc57565e2c3c299de32.jpg)
Post by: ocodo on Wed, 16 March 2016, 03:20:14
Post by: limitz on Thu, 17 March 2016, 18:06:07
Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
*Matrix 8XV1.0
Keyboard available here:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=526185434032&scm=1007.10115.20357.100200300000000&pvid=36b2b9c6-c732-4b56-a5c8-6c89df502eee
Also, creator's blog:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/26/2015-12-21-matrix-8xv1-0%E6%A0%B7%E5%93%81%E5%9B%BE-87%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97/2
And the fullsize version:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/27/2015-12-21-matrix-10xv1-0%E5%90%88%E4%BD%93
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 23:04:35
Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
*Matrix 8XV1.0
Keyboard available here:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=526185434032&scm=1007.10115.20357.100200300000000&pvid=36b2b9c6-c732-4b56-a5c8-6c89df502eee
Also, creator's blog:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/26/2015-12-21-matrix-8xv1-0%E6%A0%B7%E5%93%81%E5%9B%BE-87%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97/2
And the fullsize version:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/27/2015-12-21-matrix-10xv1-0%E5%90%88%E4%BD%93
Man, I really want that full-size version. Do they even make more? I've seen only one person have it.
Post by: limitz on Thu, 17 March 2016, 23:14:36
Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
*Matrix 8XV1.0
Keyboard available here:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=526185434032&scm=1007.10115.20357.100200300000000&pvid=36b2b9c6-c732-4b56-a5c8-6c89df502eee
Also, creator's blog:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/26/2015-12-21-matrix-8xv1-0%E6%A0%B7%E5%93%81%E5%9B%BE-87%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97/2
And the fullsize version:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/27/2015-12-21-matrix-10xv1-0%E5%90%88%E4%BD%93
Man, I really want that full-size version. Do they even make more? I've seen only one person have it.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=525143116944&ns=1&abbucket=7#detail
2800 RMB, so $433
Post by: romevi on Thu, 17 March 2016, 23:29:44
Sorry, the keyboard in the pic is real and it called Martix 8x.If you're gonna do a render, could you maybe do that plate and the blue color of the colored case renders? I think that would look epic, but I'd have to see it :)Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionThis could turn out beautiful!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)Show Image(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160315/e4f3ca63a6a27b85fd6b08e03261bb7b.jpg)
*Matrix 8XV1.0
Keyboard available here:
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=526185434032&scm=1007.10115.20357.100200300000000&pvid=36b2b9c6-c732-4b56-a5c8-6c89df502eee
Also, creator's blog:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/26/2015-12-21-matrix-8xv1-0%E6%A0%B7%E5%93%81%E5%9B%BE-87%E9%85%8D%E5%88%97/2
And the fullsize version:
http://www.matrix-lab.cn/topic/27/2015-12-21-matrix-10xv1-0%E5%90%88%E4%BD%93
Man, I really want that full-size version. Do they even make more? I've seen only one person have it.
https://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=525143116944&ns=1&abbucket=7#detail
2800 RMB, so $433
(http://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/20160318/e8d7adad93f122ee6567723e45d56120.gif)
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 20 March 2016, 09:54:26
Speaking of money, I assure you I will not ask for any until I know I can produce the Mira and need it for manufacturing, I’m considering setting up a PayPal business account for all of the participants and my own protection.
Timeline – I anticipate getting my quotes in by the middle of April and if it is a go start this between the last week of April to a date depending on the machine shop production time. Until I know from the machine shop I can’t predict production time.
PCB’s will be from Leeku, will be presoldered except for LED’s underneath.
Plates - I’m not sure if stainless steel plates will be offered, and I have to check on plate anodization.
Diffusers – Before the height of the Mira was an issue and I’m unsure about the current version. I will try to get a file for production of a diffuser plate, and may offer it.
Gold stabs – the first 57 will get the gold plated stabs, and I need to know if you need 6.25 or 7 size spacebar wires so Zeal can make sure he has enough,
I’ve also talked to Hubble so Frosty and I can verify who put down a $40 deposit to help on prototype cost so those individuals will not be overcharged.
Winkeyless will not utilize blockers.
Colors are discussed below.
Colors
I understand now why most group buys usually only have three colors. The first is cost; another reason is to limit confusion from both the anodizing place and secondly form the group buy organizer. There are several issues with it, especially considering the places the boards travel and the group buy organizers lack of control of the process. For instance, you have production, the finishing, anodizing, then sorting. What do you think the odds are of an anodizerer knowing the difference between a winkey and winkeyless keyboard? Due to this I may need to limit the standard production colors since the MOQ is 16 keyboard pieces for any color with a particular finish not including plates. An example would be 8 keyboards in bright black. A bright finish is the one we are used to on our keyboards.
Base colors are clear, black, red, blue, pewter, violet, green, and gold. Below are the color keys and examples.
(http://i.imgur.com/osbOzYkl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/osbOzYkl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Lj4ktkrl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Lj4ktkrl.jpg)
Red (http://i.imgur.com/kp080cel.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/kp080cel.jpg)
Pewter (http://i.imgur.com/rJRNLtdl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rJRNLtdl.jpg)
Clear is like the first Mira prototype (http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/e33sM8jl.jpg)
Violet (http://i.imgur.com/rcpMh5Vl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/rcpMh5Vl.jpg?1)
Gold (http://i.imgur.com/fXkyZNVl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/fXkyZNVl.jpg)
Green (http://i.imgur.com/CJdhFnZl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/CJdhFnZl.jpg)
If you look to the left of the green image you will see blue and I’ll have to check to see if the turquoise above the blue is a custom color or not.
(http://i.imgur.com/sEBJ3FEl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sEBJ3FEl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/jCHIdxPl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/jCHIdxPl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/w5ApJsul.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/w5ApJsul.jpg?1)
It has been to long since I’ve been to the shop to recall if this was a custom color or not. The different shades are the result of differences in the amount of time the pieces are immersed in the color vat.
The shop divides into bright and satin finishes. Bright is the finish we are all used to on out keyboards.
Satin is a flat finish, with a similar texture of flat black paint and a “rougher” texture of the finish on a Koala or the black plates of “The Cheat”. Here is a comparison of the finishes.
(http://i.imgur.com/knW09wsl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/knW09wsl.jpg)
To the left is an example of an OTD black, in the center is the satin finish of the shop I’m using, and to the right is a typical board we are used to. Here are individual pictures of the three.
Satin finish (http://i.imgur.com/zfE1Eekl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/zfE1Eekl.jpg)
OTD back (http://i.imgur.com/YvZ7JLWl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/YvZ7JLWl.jpg)
Black we are used to (http://i.imgur.com/PxDNYh8l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/PxDNYh8l.jpg)
I think you can appreciate the difference in finishes.Custom finishes can be done but an individual board – both pieces are just one board would cost $175. To keep costs down I believe that having only one or two custom colors would be best with a MOQ of 16 pieces (meaning a top or bottom) and an extra charge of around $10 unless the shop changes it’s quote on me.
I think that covers the status of the Mira and colors. As usual, questions are welcome and Frosty or I will try to answer them. I’m going to have the price survey closed and ask for a color survey be begun. If possible I will list all colors and satin vs bright finish.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:18:15
I'm really loving the purple, and cyan
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 10:32:19
?
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 14:09:53
I will always vote cyan :)
Post by: radio_killah on Sun, 20 March 2016, 15:54:40
"Winkeyless will not utilize blockers."
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Meaning the top half of the case will actually have built in blockers for the WKL layout as opposed to all the tops being Winkey and using blockers for the WKL layout.
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 15:58:43
Okay good. Thought that was already decided so it was a bit confusing as to what exactly it meant."Winkeyless will not utilize blockers."
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Meaning the top half of the case will actually have built in blockers for the WKL layout as opposed to all the tops being Winkey and using blockers for the WKL layout.
I'm definitely down for cyan
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 20 March 2016, 16:35:05
@ninjadoc, if you would prefer to limit the responses to one color option, let me know and I can change it. I set it up this way so people that are undecided can let you know every color they would potentially purchase which should give a better idea of the overall more desired colors.
Post by: Zambumon on Sun, 20 March 2016, 17:27:05
Ever since I saw this color on the Matrix 8XV1 plate, i've been dying for it.Would love to see this color in at least a plate optionYes PLEASE!!!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/wwWxABd.jpg)
Hmm, goes well with Chocolatier SA tooShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/z8lkaft.png)
A little bit late… but I think that this will help your cause
(http://i.imgur.com/AK0E1DM.png)
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 20 March 2016, 17:34:04
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 20 March 2016, 17:35:22
so, "pewter" is like the dark grey, right?
That's what the pictures show.
Show Image
(http://i.imgur.com/osbOzYkl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/osbOzYkl.jpg)
Pewter (http://i.imgur.com/rJRNLtdl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/rJRNLtdl.jpg)
Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 20 March 2016, 17:43:21
Post by: BaconEggandCheeseBagel on Sun, 20 March 2016, 17:55:54
Post by: en7ropy on Sun, 20 March 2016, 18:28:12
Perhaps this is a consequence of how the vote is done. The more standard color options are the most popular, and there are so many bright color options that the votes from people wanting a bright color are split too heavily.
Thanks for all the hard work ninjadoc!
EDIT: Perhaps have another vote following this one with the most unpopular colors removed to better calibrate what people want.
Post by: ika on Sun, 20 March 2016, 18:40:24
Also I'm still looking to pick up an order in the top 57 if anyone wants to let go of theirs :thumb:
Post by: logomachy on Sun, 20 March 2016, 18:43:24
And currently the most boring of colors, clear, black, and pewter are winning. I really hope to see one bright color available at the very least. It will be sad if only standard color options are available.
Perhaps this is a consequence of how the vote is done. The more standard color options are the most popular, and there are so many bright color options that the votes from people wanting a bright color are split too heavily.
Thanks for all the hard work ninjadoc!
EDIT: Perhaps have another vote following this one with the most unpopular colors removed to better calibrate what people want.
Well clear, black, and pewter are the only decent looking choices from the base colors. We'll need to see some custom colors to vote on for more interesting choices.
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:10:34
And currently the most boring of colors, clear, black, and pewter are winning. I really hope to see one bright color available at the very least. It will be sad if only standard color options are available.
Perhaps this is a consequence of how the vote is done. The more standard color options are the most popular, and there are so many bright color options that the votes from people wanting a bright color are split too heavily.
Thanks for all the hard work ninjadoc!
EDIT: Perhaps have another vote following this one with the most unpopular colors removed to better calibrate what people want.
Well clear, black, and pewter are the only decent looking choices from the base colors. We'll need to see some custom colors to vote on for more interesting choices.
(https://i.imgur.com/m5T4JYKh.jpg)
Blue, red, and violet all look great IMO. And apparently a fair amount of people like the gold too.
Post by: HPE1000 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:17:28
Post by: laughatpain on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:24:46
Please note Laughatpain is taking over my spot on the preorders list.
Hey ninjadoc,
Is it possible to update the google doc for the preorders? Just want to confirm my spot
Post by: user 18 on Sun, 20 March 2016, 19:41:07
Post by: xondat on Sun, 20 March 2016, 20:07:05
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 20 March 2016, 20:37:35
Voted for the boring colours
Samesies. Kinda hard to spend $400+ on a color that you might like for a bit, and then want to change later. Black/Silver/Grey will always look good too me, so those colors seem like the obvious choice
Post by: en7ropy on Sun, 20 March 2016, 23:14:45
Voted for the boring colours
Samesies. Kinda hard to spend $400+ on a color that you might like for a bit, and then want to change later. Black/Silver/Grey will always look good too me, so those colors seem like the obvious choice
I agree with you here, but many of us already have black and silver keyboards, so it's high time to get more exciting colors!
Post by: Bucky on Sun, 20 March 2016, 23:37:39
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 20 March 2016, 23:46:21
Silver and black are absolutely necessary for any keyboard buy.
Get whatever crazy colours you want, but take out those essentials and you'll annoy a lot more people than you will please.
Post by: Le7iathan on Mon, 21 March 2016, 00:06:21
I am not a bright colors kind of person, or at least, nothing close to white. Dark colors and neon colors are fine with me. But, even so, I don't like many of the color options besides that one turquoise, but it seems it's a custom color anyways :(
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 21 March 2016, 00:26:31
It would be weird if the only options were crazy and unusual colours like gold, sky blue, and green.
Silver and black are absolutely necessary for any keyboard buy.
Get whatever crazy colours you want, but take out those essentials and you'll annoy a lot more people than you will please.
I think the "boring colors" are also more in line with the space theme.
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 21 March 2016, 00:31:17
That's exactly why the more I think about it, the more I realize that I'm going to want the clear color. (Looks SO good in the OP)It would be weird if the only options were crazy and unusual colours like gold, sky blue, and green.
Silver and black are absolutely necessary for any keyboard buy.
Get whatever crazy colours you want, but take out those essentials and you'll annoy a lot more people than you will please.
I think the "boring colors" are also more in line with the space theme.
Also, did we ever get a final word on whether or not the board would end up having a steel weight?
Post by: lol on Mon, 21 March 2016, 06:16:02
As much as I see why someone would not be comfortable spending so much on a potentially non-neutral color, I think there are and always will be other opportunities to get these neutral colored boards possibly even for cheaper.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:01:21
"Winkeyless will not utilize blockers."
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Someone asked in the past if the winkeyless version was the same case and required blockers like one of the KMAC's did. I thought it was a silly question given the prototypes didn't utilize irremovable blockers but I thought I would address it.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:06:24
I only joined the first 57 in hopes there would be interesting colors...I'm definitely out if there's no unique colors. Atm, none of the standard colors would compel me to vote for them.
As much as I see why someone would not be comfortable spending so much on a potentially non-neutral color, I think there are and always will be other opportunities to get these neutral colored boards possibly even for cheaper.
The same process is utilized for the anodizing whether it is a neutral color or a custom color. It requires the same amount of labor and the same time. The neutral colors can not be had cheaper than I can get then. The custom colors cost because you have to mix the dye, test it, get it approved, and only anodize a small quantity. That is more money in dye, labor, and time and you have a vat of dye that you have to throw away, clean the vat, and use again. Once again time equals money.
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 21 March 2016, 11:47:36
That's exactly why the more I think about it, the more I realize that I'm going to want the clear color. (Looks SO good in the OP)It would be weird if the only options were crazy and unusual colours like gold, sky blue, and green.
Silver and black are absolutely necessary for any keyboard buy.
Get whatever crazy colours you want, but take out those essentials and you'll annoy a lot more people than you will please.
I think the "boring colors" are also more in line with the space theme.
I could also see red being an option since Mira A is a red giant, but red is not getting a lot of votes. Gold might be a stretch, but I could see it too.
I only joined the first 57 in hopes there would be interesting colors...I'm definitely out if there's no unique colors. Atm, none of the standard colors would compel me to vote for them.
As much as I see why someone would not be comfortable spending so much on a potentially non-neutral color, I think there are and always will be other opportunities to get these neutral colored boards possibly even for cheaper.
I assumed that people interested in this board had bought into the theme as well with the NASA font, wavy sides from the chevron, first 57 numbers, Mira binary star, etc. It seems I was wrong. I mean, there are also plenty of opportunities to get custom boards that don't have a specific theme. You can go crazy with all the colors you want there.
Post by: HPE1000 on Mon, 21 March 2016, 12:48:01
Okay, I thought it was already known (as like you said the proto had built in blockers) that it was going to have built in blockers so it confused me. Thanks :thumb:"Winkeyless will not utilize blockers."
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Someone asked in the past if the winkeyless version was the same case and required blockers like one of the KMAC's did. I thought it was a silly question given the prototypes didn't utilize irremovable blockers but I thought I would address it.
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:07:13
I only joined the first 57 in hopes there would be interesting colors...I'm definitely out if there's no unique colors. Atm, none of the standard colors would compel me to vote for them.
As much as I see why someone would not be comfortable spending so much on a potentially non-neutral color, I think there are and always will be other opportunities to get these neutral colored boards possibly even for cheaper.
The same process is utilized for the anodizing whether it is a neutral color or a custom color. It requires the same amount of labor and the same time. The neutral colors can not be had cheaper than I can get then. The custom colors cost because you have to mix the dye, test it, get it approved, and only anodize a small quantity. That is more money in dye, labor, and time and you have a vat of dye that you have to throw away, clean the vat, and use again. Once again time equals money.
I think he was saying that it might be cheaper for someone to find a different keyboard in a neutral color, not anodizing costs more one way or the other. Like why vote for a black Mira when there are many other black TKL's out there already. The only problem is that I have been looking for a black custom well made TKL for awhile now and haven't found one for sale, I'd like to know where all of these people are finding this "over abundance of custom TKL's" out there.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:23:40
so, "pewter" is like the dark grey, right?
(http://i.imgur.com/PJyCVwZl.jpg?1) (http://i.imgur.com/PJyCVwZl.jpg?1)
(http://i.imgur.com/CZv2FoMl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/CZv2FoMl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7fCXATil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/7fCXATil.jpg)
Does this help a little more?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 21 March 2016, 13:45:26
Post by: Data on Mon, 21 March 2016, 14:00:02
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/8/8d/GPS_Satellite_NASA_art-iif.jpg)
dat bling
Post by: lol on Tue, 22 March 2016, 03:38:48
I only joined the first 57 in hopes there would be interesting colors...I'm definitely out if there's no unique colors. Atm, none of the standard colors would compel me to vote for them.
As much as I see why someone would not be comfortable spending so much on a potentially non-neutral color, I think there are and always will be other opportunities to get these neutral colored boards possibly even for cheaper.
The same process is utilized for the anodizing whether it is a neutral color or a custom color. It requires the same amount of labor and the same time. The neutral colors can not be had cheaper than I can get then. The custom colors cost because you have to mix the dye, test it, get it approved, and only anodize a small quantity. That is more money in dye, labor, and time and you have a vat of dye that you have to throw away, clean the vat, and use again. Once again time equals money.
I think he was saying that it might be cheaper for someone to find a different keyboard in a neutral color, not anodizing costs more one way or the other. Like why vote for a black Mira when there are many other black TKL's out there already. The only problem is that I have been looking for a black custom well made TKL for awhile now and haven't found one for sale, I'd like to know where all of these people are finding this "over abundance of custom TKL's" out there.
Yeah, sorry that's exactly what I meant.
I assumed that people interested in this board had bought into the theme as well with the NASA font, wavy sides from the chevron, first 57 numbers, Mira binary star, etc. It seems I was wrong. I mean, there are also plenty of opportunities to get custom boards that don't have a specific theme. You can go crazy with all the colors you want there.
I understand this as well but then again the concept originally had a much more intricate logo...recently we had even been considering removing the logo.
I get the whole complications and costs thing...It's unfortunate but at the rate we were going it's close to ending up just a generic custom keyboard (did I mention earlier there was also people saying to just manufacture outside of the West?) Sorry if that all came off as pessimistic - don't get me wrong I'm still excited and I would still be in for some of the colors in the poll I'm just voicing my concern for slippery slopes and only neutral colors.
Post by: filphil on Thu, 24 March 2016, 07:10:34
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 24 March 2016, 08:40:34
My spot is up for grabs. Message here if you want it and do not pm me. I'll pm people in the order of posting.
I'll pick up the spot. This project seems to be in very good hands now.
Post by: filphil on Thu, 24 March 2016, 16:51:12
My spot is up for grabs. Message here if you want it and do not pm me. I'll pm people in the order of posting.
I'll pick up the spot. This project seems to be in very good hands now.
I've received your payment and messaged the appropriate people to make changes to the list. Enjoy spot #3!
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 March 2016, 21:13:33
Post by: ika on Tue, 29 March 2016, 21:40:58
My spot is up for grabs, just asking for the $40 down payment. I have spot #31.
I'll take it if it's available still.
Post by: Steezus on Tue, 29 March 2016, 22:04:16
Post by: SixtyLife on Fri, 01 April 2016, 02:48:38
SixtyLife was the first to respond, he now has my spot #31. :thumb:thanks Steezus :)
big fan of this proposed change where the back angle extends all the way out to the back edge:
(http://i.imgur.com/vpupHvAl.png)
is this change still planned Ninjadoc? makes the design significantly cleaner imo. didn't see it in the 2 prototypes photos that you linked though, but I think you last mentioned another prototype was being built.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 06 April 2016, 08:05:40
Anodizer has fallen through. I aent then 3 of my boards and two of them had anodizing flaws or were anodized with a different finish. I sent them back and they came back with defects again. I called aand their response was they can't make me happy and they would not do anymore keyboards. All I asked was that they produce the kind of product that they showed me as samples so they are a no go.
The machine shop that did the first two prototypes and that is doing a third still hasn't given me an estimate. The owner was out of the country but I'm not sure how interested he is in producing the Mira.
Another shop has expressed interest in producing the Mira and if everything works out their price will bring us close to the $400 mark. They will do finishing and anodizing so pur color choice may be limited. These shops are in another country so this is being done through an intermediary which limits my control of the process and the time frame.
I wa waiting for the estimate before another update but given the current events I felt one was needed. I've made a copy of the color poll and I'll try to meet the chief desires. Clear and black should be easy, blue would depend on the shade or if it was a custom color. Pewter might or might not be available.
Time frame - if I can't start this by sometime in June I will cancel it. I've spent the last year on it and it is similar to beating my head on a wall. If this shop fails I know someone in Korea that I may discuss this with. I'm not sure if that is a possiblility but I can ask.
Post by: diqkiq on Wed, 06 April 2016, 12:24:04
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:08:17
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Wed, 06 April 2016, 13:13:28
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Wed, 06 April 2016, 15:44:19
Mira updateI wonder if there is anyway that norbauer would be able to help with machining or finding a machine shop. He's got an IC thread for a CNC Anodized Aluminum case for CM Novatouch and Rapid-i (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=80317.0) that looks really promising.
The machine shop that did the first two prototypes and that is doing a third still hasn't given me an estimate. The owner was out of the country but I'm not sure how interested he is in producing the Mira.
Another shop has expressed interest in producing the Mira and if everything works out their price will bring us close to the $400 mark. They will do finishing and anodizing so pur color choice may be limited. These shops are in another country so this is being done through an intermediary which limits my control of the process and the time frame.
Post by: Data on Wed, 06 April 2016, 16:45:08
Post by: vivalarevolución on Thu, 07 April 2016, 23:03:59
Wow, hard to believe it's this difficult to find a machine shop and anodizer willing to work with us and stand by their work.
I think it has a lot to do with the relatively small quantities. They probably are accustomed to dealing with larger manufacturers and customers that request MUCH LARGER quantities and amounts than keyboard hobbyists. When I contact machine shops for keyboard projects, I usually do not get a response. What we request are small potatoes compared to their bread and butter clientele.
Post by: Data on Fri, 08 April 2016, 16:42:22
Wow, hard to believe it's this difficult to find a machine shop and anodizer willing to work with us and stand by their work.
I think it has a lot to do with the relatively small quantities. They probably are accustomed to dealing with larger manufacturers and customers that request MUCH LARGER quantities and amounts than keyboard hobbyists. When I contact machine shops for keyboard projects, I usually do not get a response. What we request are small potatoes compared to their bread and butter clientele.
I know that's a factor, but I also know that some of these shops specialize in one-offs, prototypes, and small quantity custom parts for big companies. Somebody has to fabricate the parts for one-of-a-kind engineering and architectural projects -- those will never be bulk orders. So you can't turn away business on that criteria alone. The shop that I sometimes work with locally is very proud of its partnerships with the theme parks, designing and fabricating one-off and small quantity parts/apparatus for the rides. If a guy wants a unique part machined for a rollercoaster you don't turn him away because he's only building one. I'm sure it's a combination of factors in our case.
Post by: ika on Fri, 08 April 2016, 18:35:28
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 08 April 2016, 18:49:34
The amount of effort you've put in for everyone is astonishing
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 22 April 2016, 19:55:54
My anodizing shop in the states fell through.
The anodizing shop that the machinist uses that made the 2nd prototype fell through.
Have I mentioned that anodizing shops suck and don't really care if our keyboards look nice or not!
So... the third prototype (my second) is being done at a different shop that does their own anodizing. The machining was a little rough from what I've been told but we hope that can be cleaned up with the finishing. Color choices will be more limited but I'll know more after the prototype is completed. Pricing should be better and hopefully we can get the product out at a price that will make most of you happy.
I know this is dragging on and on. At this point it has been 13 months since the IC started but we are closer to some type of conclusion.There are so many things that I have little or no control of that totally control the length of time it takes to get anything done. Give me a little longer to see how the current shop works out and I'll decide how to precede.
Thanks for everyone's support
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:02:04
SixtyLife was the first to respond, he now has my spot #31. :thumb:thanks Steezus :)
big fan of this proposed change where the back angle extends all the way out to the back edge:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/vpupHvAl.png)
is this change still planned Ninjadoc? makes the design significantly cleaner imo. didn't see it in the 2 prototypes photos that you linked though, but I think you last mentioned another prototype was being built.
Yes that is the design that is currently being built as a prototype. I will probably change the engraving to Mira only because of the O'Mira confusion and I think it will be cleaner. I'm not sure what if any change we are going to do with the insert.
Post by: eksuen on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:16:54
Post by: swimmingbird on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:32:38
Post by: diqkiq on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:44:02
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:45:25
Post by: SixtyLife on Fri, 22 April 2016, 20:46:31
Post by: guy12 on Sat, 23 April 2016, 08:51:36
Post by: fi0x on Sat, 23 April 2016, 13:23:31
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Sat, 23 April 2016, 14:52:38
I have spot #47. Please pm me if you want my spot!
Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
Post by: cmd on Sun, 24 April 2016, 10:02:58
I'd like to sell my spot. I have too many other boards that are already on the way to keep holding out hope for this one...
I have spot #47. Please pm me if you want my spot!
Sent from my SM-G925T using Tapatalk
I PM'd ya :thumb:
Post by: diqkiq on Sun, 24 April 2016, 12:42:11
Awh, are all the spots gone?
I dont think so. There were a certain number of keyboards that a $40 prepay got you the initial offered numbered edition. But there were quite a few spots left for the other
Post by: Floody on Sun, 24 April 2016, 12:44:50
I think only 50 spots were offered for the numbered spots during the IC and the other 50 would be offered in the GB but it's still stuck in IC.Awh, are all the spots gone?
I dont think so. There were a certain number of keyboards that a $40 prepay got you the initial offered numbered edition. But there were quite a few spots left for the other
Post by: KaminKevCrew on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:20:39
Pming Ninja and Frosty about the change!
Post by: trizkut on Mon, 25 April 2016, 11:25:02
Post by: ika on Mon, 25 April 2016, 12:35:10
Spot #47 is now ika's!
Pming Ninja and Frosty about the change!
:thumb: :D
Post by: Damonskv on Mon, 25 April 2016, 13:04:00
might be looking to give up my spot, i think my number is #37PM'd about that spot
Post by: Carlos_the_turtle on Wed, 27 April 2016, 13:56:11
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4goud7/uscah_custom_tkl_w_paypal/
Post by: toidbb on Wed, 27 April 2016, 14:01:28
I have taken over his spot already. The last PM I received is that we are waiting on the acknowledgment of the swap.might be looking to give up my spot, i think my number is #37PM'd about that spot
Thanks
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 27 April 2016, 15:08:05
Too late for anyone here but someone was selling a Mira over on /r/mechmarket and I thought some of you might want to check out the pictures at least.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4goud7/uscah_custom_tkl_w_paypal/
Whoa, I didn't realize the protos were out in the wild. Cool stuff, thanks for linking.
Post by: Floody on Wed, 27 April 2016, 15:20:14
Too late for anyone here but someone was selling a Mira over on /r/mechmarket and I thought some of you might want to check out the pictures at least.That keyset really complimented the color of the board.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4goud7/uscah_custom_tkl_w_paypal/
Post by: SixtyLife on Mon, 02 May 2016, 19:06:08
$40 pp gift. PM if interested.
Post by: SixtyLife on Mon, 02 May 2016, 23:37:57
prob gonna regret this, but passing on my spot #31.
$40 pp gift. PM if interested.
Hello Ninjadoc, please note that Damonskv has taken over my #31 spot. Cheers.
Post by: Bucky on Fri, 06 May 2016, 17:15:19
Post by: LunarisDream on Tue, 10 May 2016, 14:45:35
Mira update
Another shop has expressed interest in producing the Mira and if everything works out their price will bring us close to the $400 mark. They will do finishing and anodizing so pur color choice may be limited. These shops are in another country so this is being done through an intermediary which limits my control of the process and the time frame.
Is it in China? I know a guy who might be able to help with securing a factory for production here, but shipping it to you for QC, as well as the cost of the sample, will be very meh.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 11 May 2016, 17:28:22
Too late for anyone here but someone was selling a Mira over on /r/mechmarket and I thought some of you might want to check out the pictures at least.
https://www.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/4goud7/uscah_custom_tkl_w_paypal/
Whoa, I didn't realize the protos were out in the wild. Cool stuff, thanks for linking.
neither did I :))
I just finished finals, so ill be around for the next month or so checking messages and participating a bit again here on GH. :thumb:
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 14 May 2016, 06:57:55
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Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:42:15
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:52:47
Update - I hope to get a final render this week. After approval I will get it made. If it is a go I will get this going.
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
As always amazing work, and great update I look forward to your next update
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 20:55:07
Update - I hope to get a final render this week. After approval I will get it made. If it is a go I will get this going.
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
I wanted a winkey with a 1.25 bottom row -- should I send you a PM or is this good enough?
Post by: ika on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:07:19
also, I'd like winkey 7u with 1.5 / 1 / 1.5 / 7 / 1.5 / 1 / 1.5 if possible.
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 16 May 2016, 21:14:09
Update - I hope to get a final render this week. After approval I will get it made. If it is a go I will get this going.
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
Does the case support other PCBs? I'm always afraid of ruining a custom PCB, so to be able to use one that's readily available would put me at ease
Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:16:48
Update - I hope to get a final render this week. After approval I will get it made. If it is a go I will get this going.
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
thanks for the update! waiting on a more official response to how to notify you and frosty about wk/wkl. Is PMing both of you enough?
Post by: asdfjkl36 on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:26:44
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 16 May 2016, 22:42:43
Update - I hope to get a final render this week. After approval I will get it made. If it is a go I will get this going.
If all of the first 57 will let both I and Frosty whether they want winkey or winkeyless it would be appreciated. That way Zeal can make sure he has the gold plated stabs in stock.
I will get information on colors available this week so everyone can think about them.
At this point I do plan on opening up the orders and hopefully I can do it all the boards at once but it might have to be done in batches. If in batches I WILL NOT collect money for a second batch until I'm sure it can be done.
I will check on plates- stainless or aluminum and verify if aluminum plates will be anodized.
I will see what can be arranged for assembly..
Once I'm sure this is a go I will find out what the lead time for PCB's from Leeku will need to be. These should be presoldered except for the RGB LED's. Previously the Mira was too tall for a diffuser plate. We've lower it but I'm not sure if it is enough or not.
As for time frame - I wish it was yesterday.
I think that covers it. Keep your fingers crossed.
thanks for the update! waiting on a more official response to how to notify you and frosty about wk/wkl. Is PMing both of you enough?
No need for the PM.
Once everything is finalized, a form will be sent out asking for your information (shipping, payment, kit choices)
Just sit back and wait for the updates to roll in. :thumb:
Post by: Data on Tue, 17 May 2016, 07:06:05
Post by: en7ropy on Tue, 17 May 2016, 10:48:08
Post by: Bucky on Tue, 17 May 2016, 13:23:02
Post by: cmd on Tue, 17 May 2016, 21:17:53
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Post by: baotung on Tue, 17 May 2016, 22:44:29
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:31:45
1. Are we still using blockers for winkeyless?
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
3. stabs will be provided with the kit? Or available to purchase with the kit?
Post by: Data on Wed, 18 May 2016, 11:39:52
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
Just spitballing here... If we assume there are function layers then we can also assume it's fully programmable. So you've got plenty of options.
1. Fn on Right Ctrl
2. Fn on Scroll Lock
3. Fn on Space Bar with "SpaceFN" firmware?
4. ? ? ?
5. Profit
What did you have in mind for your Fn layers? I'd probably put LED controls on mine, but that's about it. /shrug
Post by: ika on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:08:28
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
Just spitballing here... If we assume there are function layers then we can also assume it's fully programmable. So you've got plenty of options.
1. Fn on Right Ctrl
2. Fn on Scroll Lock
3. Fn on Space Bar with "SpaceFN" firmware?
4. ? ? ?
5. Profit
What did you have in mind for your Fn layers? I'd probably put LED controls on mine, but that's about it. /shrug
If it's a Leeku PCB it will be using JigOn software. Fully programmable except LED controls are a bit sparse IMO compared to Winkeyless.kr PCBs/software (no switch LED brightness, fewer RGB modes and less control).
If I do the 7u bottom row with winkey I'd do a short right shift and add a 1u FN there, maybe right right winkey a layer control key. I only use right control on that side anyway. Then I can make caps another FN key and put actual capslock on another layer just in case.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:21:36
I would love to get a 1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5 winkeyless bottom row, but i first a couple questions;
1. Are we still using blockers for winkeyless?
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
3. stabs will be provided with the kit? Or available to purchase with the kit?
1. It has been said several times over that the case will be using built in blockers for winkeyless. I don't know where the rumour that it was otherwise started.
2. Leeku PCBs use JigOn which allow for a function layer accessible by any assigned key and multiple alternative layers that you can switch between while still having the function layer underneath.
3. Unless you were in the initial 57 orders you will be sourcing your own stabs.
Post by: ika on Wed, 18 May 2016, 14:59:29
I would love to get a 1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5 winkeyless bottom row, but i first a couple questions;
1. Are we still using blockers for winkeyless?
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
3. stabs will be provided with the kit? Or available to purchase with the kit?
1. It has been said several times over that the case will be using built in blockers for winkeyless. I don't know where the rumour that it was otherwise started.
2. Leeku PCBs use JigOn which allow for a function layer accessible by any assigned key and multiple alternative layers that you can switch between while still having the function layer underneath.
3. Unless you were in the initial 57 orders you will be sourcing your own stabs.
Thanks for the info frosty. Does the case support other PCBs, such as A.87? Or will the Leeku PCB be specific for this board? I would be looking to do something with an acrylic diffuser and BootMapperClient.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:37:22
I would love to get a 1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5 winkeyless bottom row, but i first a couple questions;
1. Are we still using blockers for winkeyless?
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
3. stabs will be provided with the kit? Or available to purchase with the kit?
1. It has been said several times over that the case will be using built in blockers for winkeyless. I don't know where the rumour that it was otherwise started.
2. Leeku PCBs use JigOn which allow for a function layer accessible by any assigned key and multiple alternative layers that you can switch between while still having the function layer underneath.
3. Unless you were in the initial 57 orders you will be sourcing your own stabs.
Thanks for the replies! I am in the initial 57, so what does that mean for stabilizers?
Post by: ika on Wed, 18 May 2016, 16:43:27
I would love to get a 1.5/1/1.5/7/1.5/1/1.5 winkeyless bottom row, but i first a couple questions;
1. Are we still using blockers for winkeyless?
2. How can I access function layers without a typical "function" key?
3. stabs will be provided with the kit? Or available to purchase with the kit?
1. It has been said several times over that the case will be using built in blockers for winkeyless. I don't know where the rumour that it was otherwise started.
2. Leeku PCBs use JigOn which allow for a function layer accessible by any assigned key and multiple alternative layers that you can switch between while still having the function layer underneath.
3. Unless you were in the initial 57 orders you will be sourcing your own stabs.
Thanks for the replies! I am in the initial 57, so what does that mean for stabilizers?
If you're in the first 57 you get gold stabs from Zeal.
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 18 May 2016, 21:39:17
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 18 May 2016, 21:41:22
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 May 2016, 22:17:09
It is fine if things are different, but the OP said that everyone would be receiving stabs (first 57 gold, rest would be normal stabs)
Sorry about that I made a mistake.
If it was initially promised that this buy will include stabs for all then I'll make that happen.
The current issue is that it's quite hard to find a source for stabs but I'll get a hold of them one way or another as promised; even if it's out of my own pocket.
Post by: Bucky on Wed, 18 May 2016, 22:58:39
Post by: diqkiq on Thu, 19 May 2016, 00:02:13
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 23 May 2016, 11:27:16
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 23 May 2016, 14:24:44
If you have not received a message but believe you are in the first 57 please message me.
Those with spot #9, 41, 52, and 56 do not have their GH username entered in the form and I need those people to contact me ASAP.
Post by: ika on Mon, 23 May 2016, 14:52:57
Still waiting for the final render and quote from the shop. CAD guy has been busy - should be this week.
Just to confirm, this is for stabs only, not for the case top arrangement?
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 23 May 2016, 14:55:23
Once everything is finalized there will be a final master form.
Please keep in mind that once you pick the stabs you want the choice is locked in.
Post by: user 18 on Mon, 23 May 2016, 16:34:20
I have sent out messages to the initial 57 people with a form.
If you have not received a message but believe you are in the first 57 please message me.
Those with spot #9, 41, 52, and 56 do not have their GH username entered in the form and I need those people to contact me ASAP.
Filled
Post by: swimmingbird on Tue, 24 May 2016, 00:12:20
Post by: abjr on Sat, 28 May 2016, 08:27:12
Let me know if any slot owner wants to pass theirs by
zzyjayfree has taken over spot #29 from me. I have also PM'd FrostyToast and ninjadoc to update the spreadsheet. Thanks.
Post by: cmd on Sat, 28 May 2016, 10:50:13
Post by: airs on Fri, 03 June 2016, 18:22:02
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 05 June 2016, 10:44:55
Will there still be a second round of orders or has that already passed?
I'm not sure if it will be a second round or if it will be opened up and capped at a specific number. My plan now is to open it up for orders depending on the factory's willingness to produce the board.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 05 June 2016, 10:57:03
The logo has been changed because of the “O’Mira” appearance. The insert has been changed because of cost of manufacturing. It looked cool but the cost of producing added to the overall cost more than something hidden in the case or on the bottom was worth. It is now a simple plate that currently will be offered in stainless steel.
Several have addressed PCB’s – it will take Leeku’s board and the NERD 2.0 with the USB on top. I haven’t asked Gon about offering it in the group buy and I’m not sure I want to tackle another add-on but I will notify him about it fitting in the Mira. Winkeyless PCB’s have the USB in a different location, are wider, and would require a special version to be made. My understanding is someone has received permission to use his firmware on a PCB and is currently working on a design. If that turns out I will let everyone know in the thread where they can purchase one.
Possible add- on offers include stabilizers, stickers, “older switches”, LED’s, and assembly. Springs would be harder to source but I might be able to acquire them.
Without further discussion here are the renders –
(http://i.imgur.com/hpRPqUQl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/hpRPqUQl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/I10XyIjl.png) (http://i.imgur.com/I10XyIjl.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Iv1oeyul.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Iv1oeyul.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1AeoQNil.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1AeoQNil.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IXTnGo8l.png) (http://i.imgur.com/IXTnGo8l.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/ysMIXj2l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ysMIXj2l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YDwCBX6l.png) (http://i.imgur.com/YDwCBX6l.png)
I’m not sure if engraving the two circles are worthwhile on the bottom but I feel we should at least pay some homage to the Mira star system. As usual comments, complaints, or suggestions are welcome. As long as costs aren’t prohibitive and color choice is good this is the final design change on the Mira.
Post by: cmd on Sun, 05 June 2016, 11:08:14
Will there still be a second round of orders or has that already passed?
I'm not sure if it will be a second round or if it will be opened up and capped at a specific number. My plan now is to open it up for orders depending on the factory's willingness to produce the board.
Sounds good ninjadoc. Appreciate everything!
Added: I personally liked the Oo on the mira logo on the front :(
Post by: limitz on Sun, 05 June 2016, 12:31:48
Have you thought about putting the logo on the back, near the USB cutout, for a cleaner top design? Either configuration will be okay though, as the logo is good enough to stand out, and be a part of the design itself.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 05 June 2016, 14:25:20
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
Post by: ika on Sun, 05 June 2016, 14:39:08
I like the revision to the engraved "MIRA" on the top of the case, and would not like it if it were removed, as that engraving is what differentiates a TKL from the myriad of other alu customs. I like the engraving of the binary stars on the back but wouldn't mind having it near or on the USB cutout, it could make for an interesting effect.
Post by: Patchwrks on Sun, 05 June 2016, 14:40:21
I recall reading about plans for an acrylic diffuser layer - is this still in the works/an option?
I thought that was for the 27 keyboard
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 05 June 2016, 15:26:30
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 05 June 2016, 17:15:08
is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 05 June 2016, 17:43:12
is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Post by: SixtyLife on Sun, 05 June 2016, 18:22:36
yes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Post by: Data on Sun, 05 June 2016, 21:30:11
(http://i.imgur.com/o0Cu3Mr.png)
Post by: nickheller on Sun, 05 June 2016, 21:35:03
Have you thought about putting the logo on the back, near the USB cutout, for a cleaner top design?
I would like this, not that my opinion matters as I am not in the pre orders or whatever and would only buy if more orders end up being taken
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 05 June 2016, 21:36:43
Have you thought about putting the logo on the back, near the USB cutout, for a cleaner top design? Either configuration will be okay though, as the logo is good enough to stand out, and be a part of the design itself.Yes this has been mentioned in the thread before.
Adding any cuts on the back of the board would mean an additional flipping of the piece during the milling process. This would increase the cost by a stupid amount and not be worth it.
I recall reading about plans for an acrylic diffuser layer - is this still in the works/an option?
I thought that was for the 27 keyboard
No. There were talks about it since the reduced height of the keyboard might make it possible to accommodate such a feature.
Still nothing concrete however.
Any reason the binary symbol couldn't go here?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0Cu3Mr.png)
Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
Post by: lol on Sun, 05 June 2016, 21:58:10
yes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Shucks, I really liked the cutout of the prototype / being able to see the weight.
Post by: Patchwrks on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:05:44
Have you thought about putting the logo on the back, near the USB cutout, for a cleaner top design? Either configuration will be okay though, as the logo is good enough to stand out, and be a part of the design itself.Yes this has been mentioned in the thread before.
Adding any cuts on the back of the board would mean an additional flipping of the piece during the milling process. This would increase the cost by a stupid amount and not be worth it.I recall reading about plans for an acrylic diffuser layer - is this still in the works/an option?
I thought that was for the 27 keyboard
No. There were talks about it since the reduced height of the keyboard might make it possible to accommodate such a feature.
Still nothing concrete however.Any reason the binary symbol couldn't go here?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0Cu3Mr.png)
Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
I would definitely prefer no acrylic cutout. I've seen a couple boards with this and I'd much rather have this one be different
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:07:11
Have you thought about putting the logo on the back, near the USB cutout, for a cleaner top design? Either configuration will be okay though, as the logo is good enough to stand out, and be a part of the design itself.Yes this has been mentioned in the thread before.
Adding any cuts on the back of the board would mean an additional flipping of the piece during the milling process. This would increase the cost by a stupid amount and not be worth it.I recall reading about plans for an acrylic diffuser layer - is this still in the works/an option?
I thought that was for the 27 keyboard
No. There were talks about it since the reduced height of the keyboard might make it possible to accommodate such a feature.
Still nothing concrete however.Any reason the binary symbol couldn't go here?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/o0Cu3Mr.png)
Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
I would definitely prefer no acrylic cutout. I've seen a couple boards with this and I'd much rather have this one be different
It really doesn't make a difference to include it.
All boards that use acrylic diffusers can be assembled without them.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 05 June 2016, 22:55:27
Moreyes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Shucks, I really liked the cutout of the prototype / being able to see the weight.
+1 for this. imo, this is what used to make this keyboard unique
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 06 June 2016, 02:37:51
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 06 June 2016, 05:31:17
If someone want to get rid of his spot, PM me :)
me first :p
Post by: cmd on Mon, 06 June 2016, 06:22:46
Get in line bros. Check the stamps. Likely it will just opened with a limit.If someone want to get rid of his spot, PM me :)
me first
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Post by: Data on Mon, 06 June 2016, 06:28:22
Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
Uh, OK... Care to explain?
This board has lost nearly all of its identity in the pursuit of making it cheap enough that folks will want to buy it. I'm surprised people are still lining up to get one -- aside from the MIRA logo it's just another Korean TKL. No engraved weight. No cutout. A neutered logo. No custom motherboard. Limited color options. It's a shadow of the original idea, and you're ****ting on an attempt to bring some of the uniqueness back?
Whatever bro.
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 06 June 2016, 07:39:49
Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
Uh, OK... Care to explain?
This board has lost nearly all of its identity in the pursuit of making it cheap enough that folks will want to buy it. I'm surprised people are still lining up to get one -- aside from the MIRA logo it's just another Korean TKL. No engraved weight. No cutout. A neutered logo. No custom motherboard. Limited color options. It's a shadow of the original idea, and you're ****ting on an attempt to bring some of the uniqueness back?
Whatever bro.
It's a terrible design decision that would be aesthetically displeasing and add clutter that we tried to remove with the new Mira logo.
While it would add uniqueness to the board, "unique" does not mean it will look good.
Furthermore, the plan is to make a good looking board but one that people can actually afford. There is no point in making a board so expensive that no one can enjoy. As expressed earlier in the thread numerous people still like the design enough to want it.
Post by: Data on Mon, 06 June 2016, 09:15:35
:cool:Because it would look ugly. So ugly. Please.
Uh, OK... Care to explain?
This board has lost nearly all of its identity in the pursuit of making it cheap enough that folks will want to buy it. I'm surprised people are still lining up to get one -- aside from the MIRA logo it's just another Korean TKL. No engraved weight. No cutout. A neutered logo. No custom motherboard. Limited color options. It's a shadow of the original idea, and you're ****ting on an attempt to bring some of the uniqueness back?
Whatever bro.
It's a terrible design decision that would be aesthetically displeasing and add clutter that we tried to remove with the new Mira logo.
LOL
What are you even basing this judgment on? Because I said so? Have you tried it and rendered it to see how it looks?
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 06 June 2016, 18:10:01
Moreyes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Shucks, I really liked the cutout of the prototype / being able to see the weight.
+1 for this. imo, this is what used to make this keyboard unique
Honestly I liked the weight too. If you would like to pay for the weight for everyone to have it I will be happy to put it back in the design. A simple plate can be purchased in the correct thickness, cut out, and placed in the case bottom. The original design required a a piece of metal, machined out, and then placed in the case. Seems simple but not really. A machinist can describe the process better but it requires time and time is money.
(http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg)
Think about how many people would not purchase this keyboard at each price point in the survey earlier.
32% said the maximum they would pay is $400
25% said $450
39% said they would pay $475 or more
So, who do I keep happy? Do I try to get this made so everyone who wants one can afford it or do I make it more exclusive and charge $475 or more?
The other option is make a Mira base and a Mira deluxe. If I do that another group will be upset because their Mira is not as nice.
Currently my response is I will wait on the estimate and then take in consideration everyone's concerns and see how much leeway I have in making changes. As for the binary symbol on the top - that will not happen. Also my CAD person is going to get irritated about changes and me pestering them so I have to know what I want before I start requesting changes.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 06 June 2016, 22:32:57
Moreyes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Shucks, I really liked the cutout of the prototype / being able to see the weight.
+1 for this. imo, this is what used to make this keyboard unique
Honestly I liked the weight too. If you would like to pay for the weight for everyone to have it I will be happy to put it back in the design. A simple plate can be purchased in the correct thickness, cut out, and placed in the case bottom. The original design required a a piece of metal, machined out, and then placed in the case. Seems simple but not really. A machinist can describe the process better but it requires time and time is money.
(http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg)
Think about how many people would not purchase this keyboard at each price point in the survey earlier.
32% said the maximum they would pay is $400
25% said $450
39% said they would pay $475 or more
So, who do I keep happy? Do I try to get this made so everyone who wants one can afford it or do I make it more exclusive and charge $475 or more?
The other option is make a Mira base and a Mira deluxe. If I do that another group will be upset because their Mira is not as nice.
Currently my response is I will wait on the estimate and then take in consideration everyone's concerns and see how much leeway I have in making changes. As for the binary symbol on the top - that will not happen. Also my CAD person is going to get irritated about changes and me pestering them so I have to know what I want before I start requesting changes.
ND, thanks for replying. I appreciate the situation you are in. Not trying to make it worse or put pressure on you. Please understand that my opinion is simply that, and you do not have to incorporate everything everyone wants. I make my comments with the full understanding that my preferences are probably too expensive to implement in the final design.
I like the idea of a "deluxe" option for those who want to go all-in :thumb:
Post by: laughatpain on Tue, 07 June 2016, 03:38:08
Not giving up my spot is paying off. Thanks Ninjadoc for all your hard work
Post by: Wazazaby on Tue, 07 June 2016, 04:00:45
Post by: lol on Tue, 07 June 2016, 05:23:45
IDK, I'd rather a custom have a little character to it. I'm not sure what the appeal is of putting in $400+ for a clean - or what I'm afraid this keyboard has been heading towards - a generic look. If cost is such an issue but people want a more conservative look surely there are other options out there? As I said earlier, I'd have second thoughts when the likely scenario happens that it's going to be $400 for basically a MIRA logo on a plain black case. Don't get me wrong, I'm confident it'll still be a beautiful board that the majority will be happy with and clearly has had a lot of work put into it but I personally just wouldn't be able to justify the cost.
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 07 June 2016, 13:03:44
Moreyes.is the case still designed to accommodate a weight insert? If so, I could definitely see a small spin-off group buy for just weights after this run is complete. I would be willing to head up this effort.
personally, i see no need for the binary stars on the back of the case - especially if they're just going to be etched. as limitz suggested, i think we should show them somewhere more visible on the case, and near the USB plug is a good choice for location.
thanks again for all your efforts, ninja
There is a stainless steel weight in the bottom of the case.
so there is a weight included, it will just not poke through the back of the case through the binary cutout? ie, there will not be a binary cutout?
Shucks, I really liked the cutout of the prototype / being able to see the weight.
+1 for this. imo, this is what used to make this keyboard unique
Honestly I liked the weight too. If you would like to pay for the weight for everyone to have it I will be happy to put it back in the design. A simple plate can be purchased in the correct thickness, cut out, and placed in the case bottom. The original design required a a piece of metal, machined out, and then placed in the case. Seems simple but not really. A machinist can describe the process better but it requires time and time is money.
(http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8u.jpg)
Think about how many people would not purchase this keyboard at each price point in the survey earlier.
32% said the maximum they would pay is $400
25% said $450
39% said they would pay $475 or more
So, who do I keep happy? Do I try to get this made so everyone who wants one can afford it or do I make it more exclusive and charge $475 or more?
The other option is make a Mira base and a Mira deluxe. If I do that another group will be upset because their Mira is not as nice.
Currently my response is I will wait on the estimate and then take in consideration everyone's concerns and see how much leeway I have in making changes. As for the binary symbol on the top - that will not happen. Also my CAD person is going to get irritated about changes and me pestering them so I have to know what I want before I start requesting changes.
Hi, ninjadoc!!! Thank you for the great work. May I suggest you make a poll. My vote is for making 2 versions. Finger up for "deluxe".
Post by: muon on Sat, 11 June 2016, 02:09:06
Post by: Bucky on Thu, 16 June 2016, 10:57:37
Post by: muon on Thu, 16 June 2016, 11:03:45
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 17 June 2016, 13:26:04
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 26 June 2016, 17:05:56
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That would be more in line with a symbolic Astronomy theme as opposed to a name (my niece's name is Mirrah).
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 10 July 2016, 19:53:10
(http://i.imgur.com/Eya7spNl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Eya7spNl.jpg)
I haven't forgotten you, I'm at the mercy of machine shops. If it was up to everyone in this thread would be typing on a Mira but....it isn't up to me.
Post by: xondat on Sun, 10 July 2016, 20:06:01
Just to give eveyone something to look at.
(http://i.imgur.com/Eya7spNl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Eya7spNl.jpg)
I haven't forgotten you, I'm at the mercy of machine shops. If it was up to everyone in this thread would be typing on a Mira but....it isn't up to me.
Looks cleaner. Shame about the weight design!
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 14 July 2016, 17:49:33
(http://i.imgur.com/ZqglkQDl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Wuj7m92l.jpg)
For all of those that feel like it's idenity has been lost here's a few pictures prior to getting anodized. Angle is still there, base and sides have the unique curve. The back is too narrow to put "Mira" on and would require a complete redesign. I may reduce the size of the plate in the base of the case by 25% - 30%. I like the other plate better
(http://i.imgur.com/NcJhT8ul.jpg)
but the slant and the machining of it makes it expensive.
Depending on shipping from the location of manufacture this would currently go off at around $400 - $425 + shipping from me to each of you.
Enjoy the pics.
Post by: diqkiq on Thu, 14 July 2016, 22:01:35
Post by: Jokrik on Thu, 14 July 2016, 22:58:03
Post by: ika on Thu, 14 July 2016, 23:14:50
Post by: Chachal on Fri, 15 July 2016, 01:29:12
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 17 July 2016, 22:24:47
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 18 July 2016, 14:57:34
Post by: Hexterdude on Mon, 18 July 2016, 17:32:56
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Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:03:46
I noticed that the usb cut out has shifted from the left side to the middle right. Was there a change in PCB?
Plan has been to use Leeku's PCB for a long time.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:05:00
Can we get a better pic of the side profile? It's kind of hard to tell what the "curve" looks like, I had to do a double-take. Otherwise it looks great!
As soon as I get the board I'll get some good pictures. I think it looks good and my contact is very happy with it.
Post by: FrostyToast on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:20:20
It would be nice to compile a list of all those interested so that we can try to get in as many people as possible.
I will also go back in the thread to collect the names of those who have previously expressed their interest.
Replying here does not necessarily guarantee you a spot, but we will do everything that we can to accommodate as much as possible.
Post by: xondat on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:29:45
Post by: Chachal on Mon, 18 July 2016, 18:32:57
Post by: raymogi on Mon, 18 July 2016, 19:20:56
Post by: HouseofSuffering on Mon, 18 July 2016, 19:24:00
Message me on here, reddit or slack under this same username if I make it in and you are ready for payments.
Post by: -musubi on Mon, 18 July 2016, 19:40:40
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 18 July 2016, 21:17:26
Post by: tuba section on Mon, 18 July 2016, 21:35:27
Post by: duhhey on Mon, 18 July 2016, 21:46:01
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 18 July 2016, 21:48:06
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 18 July 2016, 21:50:30
Also, where can I find more info on the PCB? I saw a reply saying that it was the L3alphas TKL pcb being used, but a google search doesn't really bring anything up
Post by: logomachy on Mon, 18 July 2016, 22:22:32
I'm interested in picking up one of these
Also, where can I find more info on the PCB? I saw a reply saying that it was the L3alphas TKL pcb being used, but a google search doesn't really bring anything up
It's programmed with JigOn
http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=2702787&mid=board_sw
Post by: muon on Mon, 18 July 2016, 22:28:25
Post by: Butter on Mon, 18 July 2016, 22:29:46
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Post by: user 18 on Tue, 19 July 2016, 00:04:47
Post by: sitch on Tue, 19 July 2016, 06:54:37
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 19 July 2016, 09:11:58
Post by: baotung on Tue, 19 July 2016, 15:58:30
Post by: xvetter on Tue, 19 July 2016, 16:25:19
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 20 July 2016, 14:40:31
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 20 July 2016, 16:03:50
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 20 July 2016, 16:55:17
I assume if we already paid a deposit you don't need our in, but just in case I'm still in.
Just confirming that I am in :) I took Bucky's spot a couple months back.
I should still have spot 18.
I'm in and I'm #38
I'm still in - esp. if theanyday would trade me his #32 for my #25 ;)
In since the beginning... still here :thumb:
I'm still in.
All of you are in and your numbers are just as you have stated them.
I have also put down all the new stragglers on a separate list in order of expressed interest.
Everything is going smooth sailing... for now.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 22 July 2016, 16:19:42
thanks so much for seeing this through! #5 here, excited to still be on board.
Post by: -musubi on Fri, 22 July 2016, 16:27:32
What about an option with the double-circle engraving at the front instead of the word "MIRA"? And it doesn't need to be full disk indents--could just be rounded circle line indents. Would be a more identifying feature of the design as opposed to just the name, which is a lot like Tgr. Wouldn't be centered over the ^ arrow key, but rather centered on the arrow cluster. Kind of like this quick Paint sketch (of course, better scaled and properly centered to look good):
(Attachment Link)
That would be more in line with a symbolic Astronomy theme as opposed to a name (my niece's name is Mirrah).
I really like this idea as opposed to the text MIRA. This seems more personal to the design and "spacey".
Post by: dakuzo on Fri, 22 July 2016, 16:43:48
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Fri, 22 July 2016, 17:59:12
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Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 23 July 2016, 08:28:18
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Post by: henz on Sat, 23 July 2016, 09:52:40
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 23 July 2016, 12:31:36
Post by: hoggy on Sat, 23 July 2016, 12:35:34
Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 23 July 2016, 17:00:17
Post by: adamski07 on Sat, 23 July 2016, 17:01:06
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Post by: romevi on Sat, 23 July 2016, 23:45:43
still here. #27
:thumb:
Post by: swimmingbird on Sun, 24 July 2016, 19:10:45
Post by: FrostyToast on Sun, 24 July 2016, 20:57:29
More
FrostyToast, NinjaDoc -
thanks so much for seeing this through! #5 here, excited to still be on board.
15 here. Still interested.
Sent from my ONE A2005 using Tapatalk
Still here at #26
still in
still here. #27
#29 check
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Number 31 here :p
#21 and still interested :thumb:
All looking good! :thumb:
Wish I had gotten in on the 57, would have been 100% in. But don't worry, still at 88% lol
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Does this mean I should add you to the interest list?
Forgive me for being out of the loop, but is the case compatible with other PCBs? With the location of the USB port, I'm thinking A87 and NerD TKL, but would like some confirmation
The keyboard is indeed compatible with the alternative PCB being the GON NERD PCB with the USB on the top instead of the bottom.
That alternative PCB, however, will not be included in the kit we offer.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Sun, 24 July 2016, 21:02:28
Wish I had gotten in on the 57, would have been 100% in. But don't worry, still at 88% lol
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Does this mean I should add you to the interest list?
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For sure!
Post by: rawkus on Sun, 24 July 2016, 21:44:34
Post by: Jokrik on Sun, 24 July 2016, 22:11:11
Post by: fi0x on Mon, 25 July 2016, 00:34:37
As we are moving towards the beginning of the end, we would like to see how many people are interested in snagging a spot for the Mira buy.
It would be nice to compile a list of all those interested so that we can try to get in as many people as possible.
I will also go back in the thread to collect the names of those who have previously expressed their interest.
Replying here does not necessarily guarantee you a spot, but we will do everything that we can to accommodate as much as possible.
THE END IS NIGH!!!
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Obligatory Meme celebration.
#12 Answering the call to arms
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Fully Hyped.
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My wallet is ready
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May the Beard Bless thee, Ninjadoc FrostyToast and DrHubble
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Post by: aznairjordan on Mon, 25 July 2016, 19:39:50
Post by: popkorn62 on Mon, 25 July 2016, 20:05:53
Post by: hjc1710 on Tue, 26 July 2016, 00:19:46
Still interested.
Post by: stillzman on Tue, 26 July 2016, 18:37:57
Post by: Alex92 on Tue, 26 July 2016, 21:56:50
Post by: laughatpain on Wed, 27 July 2016, 02:26:42
Post by: Xonar on Thu, 28 July 2016, 01:30:21
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 28 July 2016, 07:10:24
Post by: guy12 on Thu, 28 July 2016, 08:29:03
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 17 August 2016, 03:06:45
Post by: jackiecanev2 on Wed, 17 August 2016, 13:38:28
Post by: Boost3r on Fri, 19 August 2016, 11:02:31
Still in
Post by: CornCha0s on Fri, 19 August 2016, 11:48:55
Still in
Post by: en7ropy on Sat, 27 August 2016, 16:41:56
Cheers.
Post by: DylanKR on Sun, 28 August 2016, 06:17:34
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 28 August 2016, 13:43:31
Pm'd ^
damnit :-X
Post by: DylanKR on Sun, 28 August 2016, 16:25:31
Pm'd ^
damnit :-X
Not had a reply yet so someone might have got it instead of me :(
Post by: smittysteve on Mon, 29 August 2016, 00:45:27
Post by: Damonskv on Wed, 31 August 2016, 08:41:56
I only see the prototypes sold one by one on reddit:
today https://redd.it/50gbjv
and a little earlier https://redd.it/4goud7
What's happening? :(
Post by: en7ropy on Wed, 31 August 2016, 14:26:19
I have one of the original 57 pre-order spots (I believe my number is 28, which should be verifiable in a spreadsheet that was posted some pages back). I would like to sell it to whoever wants it. I see multiple posts of people requesting to buy a spot but I have no idea who was first so I guess first come first serve? PM me.
Cheers.
I got several PM's, and the spot has now been sold.
Post by: shinz0 on Wed, 31 August 2016, 16:55:50
Post by: mrboovn on Thu, 01 September 2016, 02:36:08
Guys, when it is anything going to happen?The red one is so expansive ..
I only see the prototypes sold one by one on reddit:
today https://redd.it/50gbjv
and a little earlier https://redd.it/4goud7
What's happening? :(
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 08 September 2016, 11:09:40
Post by: keikun17 on Sun, 11 September 2016, 22:51:06
Post by: tribade on Mon, 19 September 2016, 11:32:13
Post by: Vala on Tue, 20 September 2016, 17:30:41
Still interested, should probably start hoarding some money :)
Post by: Data on Mon, 26 September 2016, 11:56:15
Edit: SOLD!
Post by: rawkus on Wed, 28 September 2016, 22:24:12
First to PM me.
Thanks!
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 28 September 2016, 23:16:12
Post by: Data on Thu, 29 September 2016, 08:05:29
Transferring to him.
Post by: daviswalkers on Fri, 30 September 2016, 09:43:30
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 05 October 2016, 18:19:07
Let me address the " prototypes in the wild" situation.
When I took over the only prototype was the one Hubble had where the winkeyless blockers were too long.
I initially asked a well known member of Geekhack to help me correct the CAD files he wanted to charge me an amount per hour that was prohibitive to me given that the only funds I had were my own since all deposits went to Hubble.
Someone had approached me after the first prototype about working with me on a group buy in the states and we talked about redesigning the Mira. He was willing to help and three prototypes were produced - the winkey one and the winkeyless one I had and a red winkeyless one he had made for himself. I sold the blue winkey one to help recoup some of my cost to a friend who built it and then asked if he could sell it. The red one sold shortly afterwards. Retrospectively that was not a smart move on my part.
We then redisgned the Mira to make it more cost effective to build. This drug on forever so I hired someone in the states to work on the design. Eventually the person helping me from Geekhack said that we could get a prototype done and since I was spending all of my money on it he would pay for this one. Once it was made he decided to keep it. Now that prototype is up for sale here
https://m.reddit.com/r/mechmarket/comments/55yomg/sghmira_prototype_w_paypal/
http://imgur.com/a/D2l7E
I'm not going to say who this was but I really don't appreciate it and I've sunk miles driven, shops visited, prototypes made, time, and only my money into this project. I've paid for CAD with someone that has no relationship with the keyboard community and currently have several Mira designs available.
This design being sold would cost $500 to be produced if at least 70 were produced and that is without any profit being made by myself, Frosty, or Zeal. It would also cost $70 to be shipped to your door. I really don't want to deal with that person but if there is enough interest I can do so.
Currently there is another shop that has plans in hand and I'm waiting for their estimate.
I will post other pictures of the prototype that is being sold.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 05 October 2016, 18:23:58
There is a second issue - I've had several medical problems over the last year or so and next week I have two surgeries followed by up to three weeks of in patient rehab. I suspect you will hear little or nothing from me during that time. Needless to say the work up preceding this has also led to me not commenting on the status of the Mira.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 05 October 2016, 18:48:51
I copied the ones from the sale to the folder
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 05 October 2016, 22:54:47
Post by: diqkiq on Sat, 08 October 2016, 21:09:19
I haven't been updating due to the issues of lack of communication from the person helping me with the last prototype that is now being sold as described in my previous post.I am truly impressed and appreciative of you rescuing this project.
There is a second issue - I've had several medical problems over the last year or so and next week I have two surgeries followed by up to three weeks of in patient rehab. I suspect you will hear little or nothing from me during that time. Needless to say the work up preceding this has also led to me not commenting on the status of the Mira.
Get better. I'm in for the long term, so I will wait for posts in the future.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 09 October 2016, 12:55:26
By the way - the person who was helping me who kept the second prototype has CAD files - so any GB or other prototypes sold are not authorized by me and have absolutely nothing to do with this group buy.
There should only be 4 prototypes
1 black WKL sitting on my desk
1 blue/grey WK sold by me
1 red WKL
1 silver WKL, second prototype being sold by a friend of or the person who is/was helping me produce the MIRA.
Any other MIRA's that show up are not authorized by me or anyone else associated with this group buy
Only I will start the GB and there has not been any private GB done that I had anything to do with. Hopefully that clarifies any questions and or comments seen on Reddit. This should have been run in August at the latest and the person helping has been "slow", not answered messages or email, and has recently made it more difficult to get the board produced. That resulted in me having the CAD files redrawn with a few modifications.
Post by: doom2 on Mon, 10 October 2016, 14:37:25
Post by: tribade on Wed, 12 October 2016, 11:39:34
I haven't been updating due to the issues of lack of communication from the person helping me with the last prototype that is now being sold as described in my previous post.
There is a second issue - I've had several medical problems over the last year or so and next week I have two surgeries followed by up to three weeks of in patient rehab. I suspect you will hear little or nothing from me during that time. Needless to say the work up preceding this has also led to me not commenting on the status of the Mira.
Wish you all the best with your health and successful and speedy recovery from your surgeries!
Post by: Charlie.Mike25 on Wed, 12 October 2016, 17:45:36
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 12 October 2016, 17:51:32
I would love to pair this with my newly acquired Godspeed SA set, but 400 USD... that's a lot of money... will monitor this to look for a final price, but at this price point, a little too much.
Probably not gonna change by much. If the aftermarket prices are indicative of anything, people are willing to pay much more for this board.
Post by: tuba section on Fri, 04 November 2016, 00:06:54
Post by: skcheng on Sun, 06 November 2016, 10:57:26
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Sun, 06 November 2016, 13:12:53
Post by: nastrovje on Mon, 07 November 2016, 01:01:54
Post by: daviswalkers on Mon, 07 November 2016, 11:22:44
I too would like to buy a spot. Contact me via pm, I check often.
Sold my spot to nastrovje
Post by: ticktwo on Thu, 10 November 2016, 03:05:24
Post by: Data on Thu, 10 November 2016, 09:25:26
Stopped back here today. Can't thank Ninjadoc enough for all the great work he has done on this project both on my behalf and for the most part on his own. Rock on! :thumb:
Might want to edit the OP. The current "approved" design looks nothing like the original photos. It's a little misleading, especially for newcomers.
Post by: DrHubblePhD on Wed, 23 November 2016, 14:54:10
Stopped back here today. Can't thank Ninjadoc enough for all the great work he has done on this project both on my behalf and for the most part on his own. Rock on! :thumb:
Might want to edit the OP. The current "approved" design looks nothing like the original photos. It's a little misleading, especially for newcomers.
I have seen the latest design and I understand the sacrifices he has had to make in order to get it produced. It's a tricky process and consider this a start! Before the Mira few were thinking about such ambitious projects here. Perhaps for good reason, but it may be worth it to push the envelope even a bit!
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:19:09
Personal stuff aside - the Mira is progressing. There are a few errors on the design which will be corrected. Once cost, packing, and colors are decided I hope to pull this off in the next two months - FINALLY. Leelu's board is planned to be used but the NERD will work and Yuk Tsi has designed a board that should fit. Leeku's board is the one that will be offered but the others may be bought on your own.
all that said - here some prototypes that address all of your complaints ( I think)
http://imgur.com/a/Mj1Yr
As I said, a few modifications need to be made.
Cheers
ninjadoc
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:20:12
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Post by: adamski07 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:22:30
Post by: Damonskv on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:27:00
Hate airing my own issues but I feel the group needs an explanation of the delay - after 16 hours of surgery followed my multiple complications I'm back briefly. A tumor was found in my chest and I have another surgery scheduled for next week. Unsure about the recovery on that.Great, as i see you totally back to original design ideas?
Personal stuff aside - the Mira is progressing. There are a few errors on the design which will be corrected. Once cost, packing, and colors are decided I hope to pull this off in the next two months - FINALLY. Leelu's board is planned to be used but the NERD will work and Yuk Tsi has designed a board that should fit. Leeku's board is the one that will be offered but the others may be bought on your own.
all that said - here some prototypes that address all of your complaints ( I think)
http://imgur.com/a/Mj1Yr
As I said, a few modifications need to be made.
Cheers
ninjadoc
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:28:11
If I liked the TKL layout I'd be all over this board, looks amazing.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:39:11
Get well soon. :thumb:
If I liked the TKL layout I'd be all over this board, looks amazing.
Out of curiosity what layouts are you interested in? Mini, 65%, keypad?
Never know what might appear if I get this one to finally launch.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:47:06
I don't know about 65% yet, but I'll give it a try with the JC65, so I'm not opposed to it. I really love my Duck Black Bird and Sentraq TK78 layouts though (yeah, really strange layouts). I'd love to see another CP layout board (like the LZ-CP, CPSQ, TX-CP) sometimes as I missed/had to skip all of them until now. An easy way to get me interested in a board is offering a split Spacebar layout, I love uncommon stuff.Get well soon. :thumb:
If I liked the TKL layout I'd be all over this board, looks amazing.
Out of curiosity what layouts are you interested in? Mini, 65%, keypad?
Never know what might appear if I get this one to finally launch.
TBH the only layouts I don't really like are 60% and smaller as well as TKL's.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:49:30
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 29 November 2016, 10:49:42
Post by: -musubi on Tue, 29 November 2016, 14:31:38
Hate airing my own issues but I feel the group needs an explanation of the delay - after 16 hours of surgery followed my multiple complications I'm back briefly. A tumor was found in my chest and I have another surgery scheduled for next week. Unsure about the recovery on that.
Personal stuff aside - the Mira is progressing. There are a few errors on the design which will be corrected. Once cost, packing, and colors are decided I hope to pull this off in the next two months - FINALLY. Leelu's board is planned to be used but the NERD will work and Yuk Tsi has designed a board that should fit. Leeku's board is the one that will be offered but the others may be bought on your own.
all that said - here some prototypes that address all of your complaints ( I think)
http://imgur.com/a/Mj1Yr
As I said, a few modifications need to be made.
Cheers
ninjadoc
Yesss it's beautiful! Definitely glad you managed to make it back for an update. Best of luck to you and your surgery and recovery :thumb:
Hopefully I can get in this without a pre-order spot.
Post by: unipsykal on Tue, 29 November 2016, 22:14:30
Looking good
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My man!
Post by: SixtyLife on Tue, 29 November 2016, 22:52:08
Post by: nastrovje on Wed, 30 November 2016, 02:32:59
And the board just looks phenomenal! Big fan of the weight showing on the bottom. Well worth any wait.
Post by: swimmingbird on Wed, 30 November 2016, 22:17:29
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 01 December 2016, 00:17:25
That latest prototype is looking **** hot
Agreed. I'm pretty excited the O'Mira is back in. Is that the final decision then?
Post by: muon on Sat, 03 December 2016, 10:51:35
Post by: duhhey on Sat, 03 December 2016, 12:12:56
Post by: nsmechkb on Sat, 03 December 2016, 14:47:55
Nice work!
Post by: airs on Mon, 05 December 2016, 00:57:25
Post by: ATXTider on Mon, 05 December 2016, 09:05:41
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 05 December 2016, 09:53:38
LMAO, this thread is 1.75 years old, and y'all STILL think this will ever happen.
maybe if you read the part about one of leaders being very sick you'd have though before you wrote that.
Post by: Fictiouz on Mon, 05 December 2016, 09:58:13
LMAO, this thread is 1.75 years old, and y'all STILL think this will ever happen.
Please tell me know how this comment was constructive in any way, then let me know what happens if you research the history of this thread at all.
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 05 December 2016, 12:06:30
LMAO, this thread is 1.75 years old, and y'all STILL think this will ever happen.
I didn't start this damn thing. If I had, I would have had stuff lined up before it was ever posted.
There was no thought given to whether this was a practical design - just that it looked pretty.
Cost is prohibitive in the US unless done in quantity.
I worked with one person for over a year - he didn't answer for weeks at a time, changed factories and anodizers at least twice, tried to force me to use his PCB that was untested, and bumped the price so it would be prohibitive to sell.
I'm working with someone now who has a good price, has the cutout weight, the PCB is arranged, and we are negotiating the price.
If you don't want any part of this - please DON'T participate because I don't want your business. I'm not talking about all of you just ATXTider.
As for money - look who started this group buy and guess where all the deposits are? I haven't seen any of that money except for the first prototype.
Assuming I survive this - this should happen - hopefully shortly. If not - I'll close it down.
As for selling and buying spots - STOP IT! As long as the factory will produce them in large enough quantity you will have an opportunity to purchase a board. As for the numbers - I have no idea what I'm going to do about those - that was a terrible idea and for as many as were sold each would have to have it's own CAD file for it to be machined onto the weight.
This is the last update until after I recover from this next surgery.
Post by: nsmechkb on Mon, 05 December 2016, 14:55:05
Post by: swimmingbird on Mon, 05 December 2016, 19:09:24
LMAO, this thread is 1.75 years old, and y'all STILL think this will ever happen.
**** off
Post by: lol on Tue, 06 December 2016, 04:02:06
Hell, the whole problem has always been the price because it needs to be affordable for the x amount of unlimited possible people who may or may not buy it yet still appeal in design for these same mystery people. Why pander to this group at the cost of production time, design changes, risk of complete shut down, overall money lost, increased shipping logistics, and ultimately stress if it is not guaranteed funding towards a successful group buy? No wonder spots traded so much.
I'm not blaming anyone - I truly appreciate the efforts from the very beginning until now for this and I love the latest prototype. But all the sometimes questionable waiting and roller coaster rides I've had to experience in this "hobby" have yet to show it's worth the wait.
Post by: oatmicro on Tue, 06 December 2016, 04:26:40
1.why this IC take a long time(almost 2 year).
2.if I didn't get a spot from this IC, is it possible to get any spot later when in became a groupbuy?
3.if all spots're only for depositors that's mean this thread is half IC half GB right?
4.if there're some normal spots in the future, when this the estimated time for entering a normal spots, not depositor spots.
Thanks you.
Post by: ATXTider on Tue, 06 December 2016, 07:41:26
LMAO, this thread is 1.75 years old, and y'all STILL think this will ever happen.
Please tell me know how this comment was constructive in any way, then let me know what happens if you research the history of this thread at all.
It wasn't. I was in this "GB" on day one, so I know the history. I have a mira sticker to prove it.
Post by: fublamchu on Tue, 06 December 2016, 07:53:54
I'm new for mira I need some quick answers cause this thread have too much page I can't read them all.
1.why this IC take a long time(almost 2 year).
2.if I didn't get a spot from this IC, is it possible to get any spot later when in became a groupbuy?
3.if all spots're only for depositors that's mean this thread is half IC half GB right?
4.if there're some normal spots in the future, when this the estimated time for entering a normal spots, not depositor spots.
Thanks you.
In a previous post Ninjadoc said to stop selling spots and that you will most likely be able to get a board in the future (if I'm interpreting correctly)
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 06 December 2016, 20:13:44
Well ****. I get the initial deposit numbers were more of a supportive thing than an engraving but to say that now not only is the guaranteed spot moot but that there is still a risk (even if small) you will lose that deposit money because you did not sell your spot...that leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
What do you mean by this? Your deposit means if this is made you will get a MIRA if you pay for it. You will only lose your deposit if the Mira isn't produced by me. The guaranteed spot isn't moot and I don't understand what I said to make you think it is.
The numbers are a problem. I don't know if I can get then cut into the weight via CAD, stamped, or engraved. I will figure something out.
Hell, the whole problem has always been the price because it needs to be affordable for the x amount of unlimited possible people who may or may not buy it yet still appeal in design for these same mystery people. Why pander to this group at the cost of production time, design changes, risk of complete shut down, overall money lost, increased shipping logistics, and ultimately stress if it is not guaranteed funding towards a successful group buy? No wonder spots traded so much.
I will address the last part of this first. Spots are traded because of lack of interest, fear of the product not being produced, or cost constraints.
Price has always been an issue. I have to ask if you have read the whole thread? The American shop wanted $350 a piece for a MOQ 0f 200 units, unanodized, unfinished, without PCB. Do the math on that one.
Pandering toward a particular group of people - a survey of price was done. roughly there were two cutoffs - $400 -$425 about 40 people, $500 + about 30 - 40 people. Look at the custom boards sold as kits now. Do you see any $500 kits in a group buy? Those exist but I suspect you haven't been invited into them.
"the cost of production time, design changes, risk of complete shut down, overall money lost, increased shipping logistics, and ultimately stress if it is not guaranteed funding towards a successful group buy?"
I have called and visited multiple shops. I have been delayed over 6 months by someone who implied production in June. American facilities in general don't want a small batch like this. In Korea makers have friends in shops who can slide in 20 - 50 units. I have a Lin that only 20 were made. I have an LZ mini that I've only seen one of that someone claimed was common overseas but couldn't produce a picture. Production time is usually 90 days, design changes are needed to cut down costs - the back lip on the original Mira added 2 hours of machine time - per board.Money lost - hmm- I haven't counted the money I've spent so don't worry about money lost.
I'm not blaming anyone - I truly appreciate the efforts from the very beginning until now for this and I love the latest prototype. But all the sometimes questionable waiting and roller coaster rides I've had to experience in this "hobby" have yet to show it's worth the wait.
The questionable waiting is not just due to me. Sometimes I've waited a month for response from helpers, machine shops, etc. I didn't start this group buy but I foolishly took it over but I certainly can't give you a reason why. Anything else I will hold off on till after this week. Hopefully this addressed your comments, several of which I still can't completely comprehend. Go to my profile, search for my posts in this thread, and I suspect all your concerns have been addressed previously.
Post by: catweewee on Tue, 06 December 2016, 21:17:00
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Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 06 December 2016, 23:14:26
edit - a word
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Post by: ATXTider on Wed, 07 December 2016, 07:06:00
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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Post by: W_hinklebottom on Wed, 07 December 2016, 08:15:11
Post by: catweewee on Wed, 07 December 2016, 08:15:13
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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So he left the project after using everyones deposit to build a proto. Then he sold it. What the ****
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 07 December 2016, 10:48:05
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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So he left the project after using everyones deposit to build a proto. Then he sold it. What the ****
yup. this also happened around the time of ivan's treachery. double bummer.
despite all the ****ery, i am still interested to see this board made, and i am very grateful that ninja is leading the way.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 07 December 2016, 13:22:48
As far as numbering or whatever custom text goes, dos that really require custom plans for every case at the time of machining? Why not just do plain engraving on the weights in roughly the same spot after everything else is done?
Post by: xondat on Wed, 07 December 2016, 13:46:39
There was no promise of delivery for the original $40 in the OP; the text below said that basically anything could happen and the costs could be high, and we'd be under no obligation to continue with the group buy. Looking at the text of the OP, I personally read it as "help me make a prototype, and you'll get a numbered case if it does happen". I basically considered it as a donation the whole time.The constant trading of places mean that a lot of current holders of the places are unaware of this. I imagine this was overlooked a lot though.
As far as numbering or whatever custom text goes, dos that really require custom plans for every case at the time of machining? Why not just do plain engraving on the weights in roughly the same spot after everything else is done?Just to weigh (ha) in here, weight engravings that are different in any way must be a different file. I have 40 numbered weights - 10 CEs, and 30 FEs, and the other design, so my manufacturer is expecting 41 different weight files (effectively 41 different weights).
It does, and will take time, but I think it's time worth taking. However, this is entirely up to ninjadoc in what he does with that.
Ninjadoc has my full support in recovering this, it's just another case (I'm full of ****ty puns today) of waiting until its all set up and ready to go. There is an incredible amount of time, dedication, and commitment needed to do something like this, and with all of his health issues, it's even harder. Everyone should be making this as easy as we can for him, as I'm sure even if you aren't involved that you want to see this happen.
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 07 December 2016, 17:05:54
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Post by: livingspeedbump on Sun, 11 December 2016, 20:21:26
yep. built the proto, sold it and went unheard from for a while. ninja picked it back up and smoothed things out. i still have a bitter taste in my mouth over the whole thing. really have to hold my tongue when i see him drop in here. the gall.
edit - a word
I got cold feet on this over a year ago and just bailed. Glad I did, I cant believe this is still not really going anywhere. This always seemed like a buy that would just never progress unfortunately. I was most bummed about missing the TGR Jane that ran at around the same time.
Post by: tribade on Sun, 11 December 2016, 23:41:50
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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So he left the project after using everyones deposit to build a proto. Then he sold it. What the ****
yup. this also happened around the time of ivan's treachery. double bummer.
despite all the ****ery, i am still interested to see this board made, and i am very grateful that ninja is leading the way.
I haven't been playing close attention to the boards for a while, what happened with Ivan?
Post by: loud_asian on Mon, 12 December 2016, 00:16:31
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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So he left the project after using everyones deposit to build a proto. Then he sold it. What the ****
yup. this also happened around the time of ivan's treachery. double bummer.
despite all the ****ery, i am still interested to see this board made, and i am very grateful that ninja is leading the way.
I haven't been playing close attention to the boards for a while, what happened with Ivan?
Dipped out while running a couple of groupbuys. If I remember correctly he made off with 60k
Post by: ntw on Mon, 12 December 2016, 00:58:49
Post by: tribade on Mon, 12 December 2016, 02:25:09
So wait, he used the 40 usd deposit from everyone to build the proto and he sold it?! And then left?Reverse 'leaving' and 'selling', but yes.
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So he left the project after using everyones deposit to build a proto. Then he sold it. What the ****
yup. this also happened around the time of ivan's treachery. double bummer.
despite all the ****ery, i am still interested to see this board made, and i am very grateful that ninja is leading the way.
I haven't been playing close attention to the boards for a while, what happened with Ivan?
Dipped out while running a couple of groupbuys. If I remember correctly he made off with 60k
Well **** that sucks. I always liked Ivan, and he ran a ton of groupbuys successfully. That's inexcusable.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 12 December 2016, 10:58:20
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 12:26:38
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
Post by: Damonskv on Mon, 12 December 2016, 14:30:46
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
Well, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 14:31:41
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 14:57:09
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Have it made in Mexico before the wall is up :))
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 14:57:50
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Have it made in Mexico before the wall is up :))
New Mexico is OK
Post by: Damonskv on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:00:01
Well, in this case I just want to get a great keyboard, I dream about for a long time. I'm Russian, space in our culture and history occupies a special place. Here I am really looking forward to GMK Yuri, which will be made in Germany ;), dedicated to the great Russian astronaut. And the combination of this keyboard and a set of keys would have given the International Space Station edition))))))ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:01:10
Well, in this case I just want to get a great keyboard, I dream about for a long time. I'm Russian, space in our culture and history occupies a special place. Here I am really looking forward to GMK Yuri, which will be made in Germany ;), dedicated to the great Russian astronaut. And the combination of this keyboard and a set of keys would have given the International Space Station edition))))))ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
understandable, but 'Merica
Post by: Damonskv on Mon, 12 December 2016, 15:06:00
I believe in ninjadoc, the man clearly outstanding perseverance and courage that despite all the problems, carries this burden of responsibility. Get well ninjadoc, and make NASA great again :thumb:Well, in this case I just want to get a great keyboard, I dream about for a long time. I'm Russian, space in our culture and history occupies a special place. Here I am really looking forward to GMK Yuri, which will be made in Germany ;), dedicated to the great Russian astronaut. And the combination of this keyboard and a set of keys would have given the International Space Station edition))))))ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
understandable, but 'Merica
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:35:29
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:36:44
ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
yeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemy
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:38:48
Moreyeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemyninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
And as an American, I still don't care if it's not made in the States.
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:40:12
Moreyeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemyninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
And as an American, I still don't care if it's not made in the States.
pretty sad. I won't buy it if it's made elsewhere
Post by: E3E on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:47:27
Well, in this case I just want to get a great keyboard, I dream about for a long time. I'm Russian, space in our culture and history occupies a special place. Here I am really looking forward to GMK Yuri, which will be made in Germany ;), dedicated to the great Russian astronaut. And the combination of this keyboard and a set of keys would have given the International Space Station edition))))))
I like your way of thinking. :)
Post by: eksuen on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:50:36
Moreyeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemyninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
And as an American, I still don't care if it's not made in the States.
pretty sad. I won't buy it if it's made elsewhere
Too bad? It's not like NASA is a fully homegrown organization. The key is citizenship and there are plenty of NASA employees who were born outside the States. I don't see the problem with sourcing talent from overseas if the quality is there. A poor warrior abandons his best weapon.
Post by: alienman82 on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:53:16
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Post by: eksuen on Mon, 12 December 2016, 16:56:59
still sad the way you see outside as better. hopefully it'll change
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It's not an us vs. them or inside vs. outside. It's just whoever does the best work for the lowest price (yay capitalism. isn't that the most American thing ever?). If that happens to be in the States, then I'm all for it. But large manufacturers' volume production are mostly in China and Mexico for a reason. It's cheaper to build there while still achieving the desired quality. America is not inherently better. That's some American exceptionalism bull****.
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Post by: eksuen on Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:03:34
you're american for sure going at me 1v1. not even up to either of us
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So now my nationality is questioned because I don't agree with your "America #1" attitude? I'd be the first to admit there are wide swaths of fellow countrymen that I do not care for. It doesn't make me any less American.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:04:05
you're american for sure going at me 1v1. not even up to either of us
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His argument is sound, it's not a 1v1 attack as you choose to see it.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Mon, 12 December 2016, 17:15:23
i dont think NASA would be concerned about having parts made in China, if they are build to spec ;)
Post by: catweewee on Mon, 12 December 2016, 23:36:26
you're american for sure going at me 1v1. not even up to either of us
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His argument is sound, it's not a 1v1 attack as you choose to see it.
But muhhhricaaaaaaaaaaaaaa
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:08:03
First – the current prototypes are here http://imgur.com/a/PWJdb (http://imgur.com/a/PWJdb)
It will have the famous O’Mira above the keypad and probably SE on the back by the USB hole.
The SE may or may not have a brass inlay.
The plan for now is to offer it with stainless steel weights but brass may be considered but will not be nickel coated and will be subject to corrosion.
I plan to offer the colors of black, silver, and grey/titanium but one or two other colors may be offered depending on the anodizing available.
II expect to be able to offer stainless steel and aluminum plates and the aluminum plates can be anodized. The plates do not allow switch top removal, that may change depending on time available to make that change.
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
I can possibly offer stabilizers and even LED’s if there is enough interest.
Assuming everything works out and I can stay out of the hospital I want to start the group buy in January. I haven’t thought of the ordering period yet but as long as the manufacturer can handle the numbers I do not plan on capping out the amount sold. It is possible that it would have to go in two or more stages depending on the capability of myself and the manufacturer to move the product. The plan is for the Mira to be boxed similar to the TX-87 and the TX-CP which should prevent damage. The quality control will be done at the factory and I can’t be help responsible for minor defects but anything like the damages occurred by the LZ-FE will be taken care of.
Timeline:
1) Ordering or verifying ordering around 2 weeks
2) Payment two weeks for price of the board, shipping will be billed separately.
3) From time of payment to the manufacturer to my door should be about 12 weeks. I may try to have the boards sent directly to other countries that have several orders to a proxy to cut down cost. Canada would definitely be a country I would like to do this with.
4) Cost – has not been finalized due to all details haven’t been worked out but I would expect the cost to be between $400 - $425 + the shipping to your home. The shipping from the manufacturer will be included in the original cost and is less when shipped in bulk.
Now being honest, I'm going to mention the fly in the ointment:
(Quoting from the original post by DrHubblePhD in the beginning of this thread - I am not asking for donations, money, or a deposit. I'm simply quoting what was initially said about the deposit. I will give a more coherent edit tomorrow.): "In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/tongue.gif) (https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
That was quoted from the beginning of the thread. I'm not requesting anything.
I don't know how much money I've put into this, I refuse to count up the money or the hours. The numbering on the first 57 will be done and as far as I know Zeal is donating the gold stabilizers. I cannot donate however much has been put down for the Mira as a deposit. I can try to give you a good board at the best price I can give. I don't expect to make money out of this I just want to see the board completed.
My plan now is to charge everyone the same for the board. If there is an issue or complaint - which I can think of many - go ahead and PM me unless you think it is useful to the community then post it in the thread.
If the group buy is successful I have several other keyboards in the planning/CAD phase and I promise I won't post them until I know they can be produced.
Post by: laughatpain on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:21:55
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:22:08
I think i could help numbering the weights. Lmk.
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Right now that seems settled and they will get numbered
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:25:34
Moreyeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemyninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
And as an American, I still don't care if it's not made in the States.
pretty sad. I won't buy it if it's made elsewhere
Do you have any keyboards made in Korea?
Do you have any Duck boards? Odds are they were made in China.
I know some of your boards, dude!
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:28:06
Just let me know where you want the deposit sent. Glad to see all your hard work come to fruition
I don't expect a deposit for anything and don't send one somewhere else. When the group buy goes active, I will bill you for the full cost of the board. When I receive the board, pack it, and get the information to ship it to your home I will bill you for the shipping. Once shipping is paid I would like to have it out in 48 hours if I can physically do so.
Post by: ika on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:32:20
Post by: E3E on Wed, 14 December 2016, 20:54:14
In a call at the moment, so I apologize for sloppy writing, but I HAVE TO KNOW. :P
Also, is the diffuser mandatory like on the 27 or optional?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:01:14
I'm confused as to the details of the first 57. Did you mean to copy-paste some of the beginning post regarding the $40 deposit for the first 57 spots?
The OP is in dire need of an update. Most of what is in the original post was only true at the time it was written. Much has changed over the course of this interest check thread, including the original organizer completely dropping out of the project, a number of additional prototypes being made, etc. Pretty sure any money we spent originally has been exhausted (long ago). This project is now basically a new person doing a "reload" version of the original idea to try to make it happen, but what Dr.Hubble promised (in terms of $40 actually being more of a donation with some perks now instead of a downpayment) and what the reality of the production situation that Ninjadoc has encountered in his attempts to make this keyboard happen might be two very different things.
I think the OP should be preserved in some form and new, up-to-date information should be prominently added to it.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:02:26
Just let me know where you want the deposit sent. Glad to see all your hard work come to fruition
I don't expect a deposit for anything and don't send one somewhere else. When the group buy goes active, I will bill you for the full cost of the board. When I receive the board, pack it, and get the information to ship it to your home I will bill you for the shipping. Once shipping is paid I would like to have it out in 48 hours if I can physically do so.
I PM'd about a deposit as well.
Post by: limitz on Wed, 14 December 2016, 21:58:42
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Hyperbole much, and a bit ironic considering NASA are using Russian rockets to get in and out of the International Space Station.
The fact that it's designed in the US and "Made in China" is probably the most American thing about the board.
Post by: oatmicro on Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:20:15
Also, is the diffuser mandatory like on the 27 or optional?
I would like to know this as well.
Pls make it be an optional, I'm not a fan of diffuser :'(
so, no more deposit right :(
Post by: nsmechkb on Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:37:14
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
Hyperbole much, and a bit ironic considering NASA are using Russian rockets to get in and out of the International Space Station.
The fact that it's designed in the US and "Made in China" is probably the most American thing about the board.
Haha! Fair enough.
On another note. The latest prototype shots are gorgeous.
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:46:17
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 14 December 2016, 22:50:54
couple questions from your recent update -
- we can pick the numbers we want engraved on our plate? or the first 57 will have their numbers engraved? (ie. no picking numbers, but engraving is an option)
- if black, silver, and dark gray (titanium) are the only anodizing options, could we order a blank case to have anodized ourselves?
- i am hoping we will be able to buy multiple plates, can you confirm? i would probably do at least 2 builds for this; one with the Leeku board, and another with either Winkeyless or GON
I think many, if not all of us, would appreciate a word from Zeal to confirm that he is still willing to donate the gold stabilizers (maybe his new clear ones? ;)) and I personally would like an explanation from Dr Hubbel on the funds from the previous prototypes that he had made and sold. IMO, the proceeds from the sale of those boards should still go toward the production of this project.
I am willing to put down another $40 to secure manufacturing, but I feel that we are owed an explanation from Hubbel.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:07:52
Ninja, i am always happy to read your updates and I am so thankful for the time and energy you have put into this project. thank you for keeping this going. the new prototypes look awesome! again, i am happy to see the O'Mira logo and binary plate are still incorporated. you have definitely rekindled the flame for this keyboard. I hope for a quick recovery for your health issues.
couple questions from your recent update -
- we can pick the numbers we want engraved on our plate? or the first 57 will have their numbers engraved? (ie. no picking numbers, but engraving is an option)
- if black, silver, and dark gray (titanium) are the only anodizing options, could we order a blank case to have anodized ourselves?
- i am hoping we will be able to buy multiple plates, can you confirm? i would probably do at least 2 builds for this; one with the Leeku board, and another with either Winkeyless or GON
I think many, if not all of us, would appreciate a word from Zeal to confirm that he is still willing to donate the gold stabilizers (maybe his new clear ones? ;)) and I personally would like an explanation from Dr Hubbel on the funds from the previous prototypes that he had made and sold. IMO, the proceeds from the sale of those boards should still go toward the production of this project.
I am willing to put down another $40 to secure manufacturing, but I feel that we are owed an explanation from Hubbel.
With Ninjadoc's permission, I've added quotes and clarification to his previous post, so it's clear that he's quoting DrHubble. Have another look, he's not requesting any more as a deposit. Hopefully it's clear now.
Post by: Zeal on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:08:05
Ninja, i am always happy to read your updates and I am so thankful for the time and energy you have put into this project. thank you for keeping this going. the new prototypes look awesome! again, i am happy to see the O'Mira logo and binary plate are still incorporated. you have definitely rekindled the flame for this keyboard. I hope for a quick recovery for your health issues.
couple questions from your recent update -
- we can pick the numbers we want engraved on our plate? or the first 57 will have their numbers engraved? (ie. no picking numbers, but engraving is an option)
- if black, silver, and dark gray (titanium) are the only anodizing options, could we order a blank case to have anodized ourselves?
- i am hoping we will be able to buy multiple plates, can you confirm? i would probably do at least 2 builds for this; one with the Leeku board, and another with either Winkeyless or GON
I think many, if not all of us, would appreciate a word from Zeal to confirm that he is still willing to donate the gold stabilizers (maybe his new clear ones? ;)) and I personally would like an explanation from Dr Hubbel on the funds from the previous prototypes that he had made and sold. IMO, the proceeds from the sale of those boards should still go toward the production of this project.
I am willing to put down another $40 to secure manufacturing, but I feel that we are owed an explanation from Hubbel.
Hey there,
I've been keeping an eye out on all threads that I'm associated in. Haven't had time to post much on other threads as I've been busy packing R4 orders.
To add some hype back into this project, I will personally be upgrading all 57 pre-orders to my new transparent screw-in gold plated stabs. I'm a man of my words and I don't back out. :thumb:
Ninja will just have to collect what spacebar wire the first 57 people wanted, and I can arrange accordingly.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:10:56
Post by: skcheng on Wed, 14 December 2016, 23:27:12
I plan to offer the colors of black, silver, and grey/titanium but one or two other colors may be offered depending on the anodizing available.
II expect to be able to offer stainless steel and aluminum plates and the aluminum plates can be anodized. The plates do not allow switch top removal, that may change depending on time available to make that change.
Just to be different, SS weights would be cool. Brass weight are so common .... :p I'm guessing SS will be a bit more expensive. I'm #10 on the
I personally would love to see some interesting colors besides black/silver. I mean, if it's not possible, I completely get that. But rose gold or any shade of pink or something non black/silver would be great!!
Assuming SS and aluminum plates will be available, it would be awesome to have the opportunity to purchase both. Just nice to have options and variety!!
Thanks!! Really looking forward to the Miro "custom" TKL!!
Post by: Vala on Thu, 15 December 2016, 06:38:42
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To add some hype back into this project, I will personally be upgrading all 57 pre-orders to my new transparent screw-in gold plated stabs. I'm a man of my words and I don't back out. :thumb:
Ninja will just have to collect what spacebar wire the first 57 people wanted, and I can arrange accordingly.
Well, if you were simply angry for losing $40, you can feel okay knowing you'll be getting these stabs which are worth $50. A $10 gain :)
If you're mad because Hubble got your money, then that's another story however.
Post by: Damonskv on Thu, 15 December 2016, 06:42:47
$50 is for kit of 2 sets for 6.25u and 7u space barsQuote...
To add some hype back into this project, I will personally be upgrading all 57 pre-orders to my new transparent screw-in gold plated stabs. I'm a man of my words and I don't back out. :thumb:
Ninja will just have to collect what spacebar wire the first 57 people wanted, and I can arrange accordingly.
Well, if you were simply angry for losing $40, you can feel okay knowing you'll be getting these stabs which are worth $50. A $10 gain :)
If you're mad because Hubble got your money, then that's another story however.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:13:15
Is the SE just going to be on a higher pricing tier, or are those reserved for those who pre-ordered their Miras or what?
In a call at the moment, so I apologize for sloppy writing, but I HAVE TO KNOW. :P
Also, is the diffuser mandatory like on the 27 or optional?
SE is not a higher option tier.
It is what will be built.
Pricing is not quoted because the manufacturer was not comfortable that some of the CAD file dates were different so he wanted to double check it and the packaging is not finalized.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:17:48
I'm confused as to the details of the first 57. Did you mean to copy-paste some of the beginning post regarding the $40 deposit for the first 57 spots?
Yes I copy pasted it and made a disaster of it. I just wanted to point out what Hubble said and what I can actually do. I would like to thank Photoelectric for fixing it. I get very fatigued at the end of the day from my health issues and sometimes make absolutely no sense. I apologize.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:20:12
There was no promise of delivery for the original $40 in the OP; the text below said that basically anything could happen and the costs could be high, and we'd be under no obligation to continue with the group buy. Looking at the text of the OP, I personally read it as "help me make a prototype, and you'll get a numbered case if it does happen". I basically considered it as a donation the whole time.The constant trading of places mean that a lot of current holders of the places are unaware of this. I imagine this was overlooked a lot though.As far as numbering or whatever custom text goes, dos that really require custom plans for every case at the time of machining? Why not just do plain engraving on the weights in roughly the same spot after everything else is done?Just to weigh (ha) in here, weight engravings that are different in any way must be a different file. I have 40 numbered weights - 10 CEs, and 30 FEs, and the other design, so my manufacturer is expecting 41 different weight files (effectively 41 different weights).
It does, and will take time, but I think it's time worth taking. However, this is entirely up to ninjadoc in what he does with that.
Ninjadoc has my full support in recovering this, it's just another case (I'm full of ****ty puns today) of waiting until its all set up and ready to go. There is an incredible amount of time, dedication, and commitment needed to do something like this, and with all of his health issues, it's even harder. Everyone should be making this as easy as we can for him, as I'm sure even if you aren't involved that you want to see this happen.
Xondat is correct - it takes a different file to produce every number. Now we all know why LZ uses stickers.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:28:06
Also, is the diffuser mandatory like on the 27 or optional?
I would like to know this as well.
Pls make it be an optional, I'm not a fan of diffuser :'(
so, no more deposit right :(
Diffuser is designed as part of the board, not just as a plate placed in between the bottim and top. Don't use the RGB's on the bottom and you will be OK.
There is no more deposit. If I can figure out a way I will probably get rid of number "2" and would love to auction it off but that isn't possible on Geekhack. One, I don't care about a number, and "2" - hmm.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 15 December 2016, 07:35:48
Moreyeah that's everyone's argument, but this is the Mira, this is NASA, this is not blasphemyninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terribleWell, the guys from Revo, offer some magic quality of anodizing, maybe try to ask them to help to implement the project.ninjadoc should just get it manufactured in China, fast turnaround, much lower cost/margin, and everyone will be happy to finally get a Mira board.
i'm not sure anyone would care where it is made anymore, just as long as it gets made
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
But, i can only judge by the photos but looks very promising
in any other case maybe, but having a NASA inspired board made in China is just a slap in the face to America.
I'd want it made wherever they can offer the best quality to price ratio. As someone who works for a manufacturing company with sites worldwide, my opinion is that "Made in USA" is way over-****ing-rated.
And as an American, I still don't care if it's not made in the States.
pretty sad. I won't buy it if it's made elsewhere
I'm disappointed with you, alienman82. Go to your Dad's office over break and see where his instruments are made. Whether you are for Trump or not you notice he is evaluating the cost of manufacturing products in the US versus other countries. Some things can be done efficiently, some can't Our labor force ls not always well trained and at times their salary is too high for production but they have to live and eat so the wages must be higher. Greed is also an issue - look at the time for construction of the changes in the highway around Columbus, OH. I'm from Arkansas, left 30 years ago, and the road is still under construction from Memphis to Little Rock. Need I say more? this isn't a conversation for this thread but you and I can discuss it on Skype if you like.
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 15 December 2016, 19:09:24
The amount of **** that you buy and enjoy from other countries is massive - why don't you consider those purchases before going on a moral tirade about a keyboard that will have basically zero economic impact on either country
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 19:27:15
Post by: swimmingbird on Thu, 15 December 2016, 19:28:15
@swimmingbird, it was more of a joke that others have been keeping alive...
and nice vocabulary.
:-*
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 19:30:12
Post by: limitz on Thu, 15 December 2016, 21:32:41
Id rather wait for it then have it made in China. Chinese keyboard products are all terrible
I feel like I need to address this comment, this has been bothering me. Just a few weeks ago you were telling me how excited you were to get in on the FMJ TKL group buy, and now all Chinese keyboard products are terrible?
Off the top of my head I can think of Tank, CAMP, Matrix, ZZ, Red Scarf, TriC and others. There are plenty of Chinese customs that are great quality. Matrix especially is an awesome board, on par if not better anodization/machining than the OTDs I own.
Your comment is painting with a ridiculously broad brush, as well as insulting to the makers and GB runners that make it possible. Now to play it off as a joke? Give me a break. It's fine you don't want a MIRA, but realize that this isn't 2005. There are countless products that are Made in China AND excellent quality. Just because something is "Made in USA" doesn't automatically make it better.
Post by: alienman82 on Thu, 15 December 2016, 21:37:58
Post by: limitz on Thu, 15 December 2016, 22:12:51
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pretty sad. I won't buy it if it's made elsewhere
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still sad the way you see outside as better. hopefully it'll change
I know you like Trump, but do you have to start talking like him now? Not everything is so binary.
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To get back on topic, $40 sent. Sorry about Hubble, hope this takes off quickly.
Post by: duzeyao on Thu, 15 December 2016, 23:36:05
And they are doing fast.
https://bbs.wstx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=700766&page=1&extra=#pid8857629
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(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231315ugppv6829hf5ah2v.jpg)
(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231332h00r8p0u8r60kd5d.jpg)
Maybe you can get your Mira with your pre-ordered-with-$$ No. there?
Price will be around 2800RMB(400$).
Post by: zzyjayfree on Thu, 15 December 2016, 23:41:29
It seems with Hubble missing, the Chinese has decided they should make the keyboard themselves using the design.
And they are doing fast.
https://bbs.wstx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=700766&page=1&extra=#pid8857629Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231530zddx33khjnxjok5b.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231315ugppv6829hf5ah2v.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231332h00r8p0u8r60kd5d.jpg)
Maybe you can get your Mira with your pre-ordered-with-$$ No. there?
Price will be around 2800RMB(400$).
Post by: duzeyao on Thu, 15 December 2016, 23:57:40
...
The Chinese prototype is under NinjaDoc's permision. Maybe dig in a bit and then comment?It seems with Hubble missing, the Chinese has decided they should make the keyboard themselves using the design.
And they are doing fast.
https://bbs.wstx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=700766&page=1&extra=#pid8857629Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231530zddx33khjnxjok5b.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231315ugppv6829hf5ah2v.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231332h00r8p0u8r60kd5d.jpg)
Maybe you can get your Mira with your pre-ordered-with-$$ No. there?
Price will be around 2800RMB(400$).
Post by: zzyjayfree on Thu, 15 December 2016, 23:59:16
Do you mean prototype or groupbuy lol?
Anyway I'm not very interested in a IC that lasts this long nor digging anything. Goodluck boys. :thumb:The Chinese prototype is under NinjaDoc's permision. Maybe dig in a bit and then comment?It seems with Hubble missing, the Chinese has decided they should make the keyboard themselves using the design.
And they are doing fast.
https://bbs.wstx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=700766&page=1&extra=#pid8857629Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231530zddx33khjnxjok5b.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231315ugppv6829hf5ah2v.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231332h00r8p0u8r60kd5d.jpg)
Maybe you can get your Mira with your pre-ordered-with-$$ No. there?
Price will be around 2800RMB(400$).
Post by: E3E on Fri, 16 December 2016, 00:03:29
Post by: duzeyao on Fri, 16 December 2016, 01:06:46
Maybe it's a GB that's running in tandem with the Geekhack GB? Ninjadoc mentioned that there will be no order cap, so this might end up being a gigantic group buy.
If that's true, with Chinese factory's fast speed everyone here will get their Miras very soon.
Would be really assuring news.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 16 December 2016, 09:33:24
It seems with Hubble missing, the Chinese has decided they should make the keyboard themselves using the design.
And they are doing fast.
https://bbs.wstx.com/forum.php?mod=viewthread&tid=700766&page=1&extra=#pid8857629Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231530zddx33khjnxjok5b.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231315ugppv6829hf5ah2v.jpg)Show Image(https://f2cdn.wstx.com/data/attachment/forum/201612/12/231332h00r8p0u8r60kd5d.jpg)
Maybe you can get your Mira with your pre-ordered-with-$$ No. there?
Price will be around 2800RMB(400$).
You might ask via PM before you start talking about something you don't know anything about. The person running the GB in China is the same person helping me produce the Mira. He has my permission and we are trying to run them close to the same time.
Post by: techmattr on Fri, 16 December 2016, 11:54:21
Post by: duzeyao on Fri, 16 December 2016, 18:56:52
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 16 December 2016, 21:00:53
Is the blueish color the grey/titanium? Looks amazing but I'm not too sure I have any key sets that would go with it.
Very nice color, I agree, especially if it's actually that light. Still hoping for some interesting light color other than silver. That blue goes with the space theme nicely.
Post by: nsmechkb on Sat, 17 December 2016, 10:51:29
Is the blueish color the grey/titanium? Looks amazing but I'm not too sure I have any key sets that would go with it.
Very nice color, I agree, especially if it's actually that light. Still hoping for some interesting light color other than silver. That blue goes with the space theme nicely.
I really like the blue-grey one, too. Especially with a stainless steel weight. The dark blue and silver would look so clean.
Post by: skcheng on Sat, 17 December 2016, 11:18:47
Post by: pr0ximity on Sun, 18 December 2016, 13:47:02
Haven't been following along much, but the prototype looks delish. Are those edges completely round filleted? Looks amazing with the dark grey ano
More
(http://i.imgur.com/v2frtQz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
Going to be tough to stay away from this one, I've been tempted to get a TKL custom for a while and I love the style of those edges.
Post by: Data on Mon, 19 December 2016, 08:53:41
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 19 December 2016, 09:04:21
Post by: kawasaki161 on Mon, 19 December 2016, 09:42:09
Is there still a buy-in period for this thing? It's beautiful, and I totally want one.
There will be a GB for this, the stuff with the slots is for early/supporter/whaterveryouwanttocallit editions
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 19 December 2016, 09:45:40
Is there still a buy-in period for this thing? It's beautiful, and I totally want one.
There will be a GB for this, the stuff with the slots is for early/supporter/whaterveryouwanttocallit editions
Awesome! Another GB for me to miss!
Post by: limitz on Mon, 19 December 2016, 18:08:24
The acrylic spacer/diffuser is a nice and unexpected touch.
Yes, this one is my design.
Unlike most designs with acrylic spacers that have the spacer sandwiched; the Mira top/bottom mating is grooved like the 356mini (keyingtogether). The acrylic diffuser is made to support the mating, and is therefore integral to the keyboard.
Post by: ika on Mon, 19 December 2016, 18:18:47
The acrylic spacer/diffuser is a nice and unexpected touch.
Yes, this one is my design.
Unlike most designs with acrylic spacers that have the spacer sandwiched; the Mira top/bottom mating is grooved like the 356mini (keyingtogether). The acrylic diffuser is made to support the mating, and is therefore integral to the keyboard.
What is the advantage in this design versus, say, how the TX boards do it?
Post by: limitz on Mon, 19 December 2016, 22:07:43
This form of mounting requires extra machining on the top/bottom aluminum pieces, as well as the diffuser.
Post by: Data on Tue, 20 December 2016, 08:38:20
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 20 December 2016, 10:43:27
Post by: user 18 on Tue, 20 December 2016, 14:49:00
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 14:20:44
Boards will be made of Aluminum K701 which I've been assured by US machine shops will handle the rigors of being a computer keyboard.
Colors offer will be black, grey/titanium, silver, and either a blue/cyan or pink.
The top and bottom may be ordered in different colors.
Both brass and stainless steel weights will be offered. Stainless steel will cost more because of cost of both material and cost of machining. The brass weight will not be nickle coated due to cost.
Stainless steel and aluminum plates will be offered and due to cost stainless plates will cost more.
Aluminum plates can be anodized or left uncolored. Colors for the plates will include silver, grey, black, and maybe red. I would love gold to be an option but I'm not sure that is possible.
Shipping should be completed by the end of April IF all goes well.
Warning - I can't be held responsible for minor defects but I can get the factory to replace anything with major damage. I don't want an LZ-FE fiasco in shipping to occur.
If this goes well I have plans for a keypad and several other boards in mind and I'm discussing those with my CAD person at this time.
Pictures and colors will be posted shortly, comments that are useful and productive are appreciated and listened to.
Thank you for your patience.
ninjadoc
Post by: -musubi on Thu, 22 December 2016, 14:27:43
will there be a limited list or will it be full fulfillment?
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 22 December 2016, 15:39:04
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 22 December 2016, 15:59:17
I hope to start the GB either next week or the first week in January. Production is predicted to be 12 - 16 weeks. boards will be shipped to me or to a proxy if there are several orders in another country. Shipping from the factory will be included in the base price, shipping from me or from the proxies to your home will be billed separately. It is MUCH cheaper to be shipped on bulk.
Boards will be made of Aluminum K701 which I've been assured by US machine shops will handle the rigors of being a computer keyboard.
Colors offer will be black, grey/titanium, silver, and either a blue/cyan or pink.
The top and bottom may be ordered in different colors.
Both brass and stainless steel weights will be offered. Stainless steel will cost more because of cost of both material and cost of machining. The brass weight will not be nickle coated due to cost.
Stainless steel and aluminum plates will be offered and due to cost stainless plates will cost more.
Aluminum plates can be anodized or left uncolored. Colors for the plates will include silver, grey, black, and maybe red. I would love gold to be an option but I'm not sure that is possible.
Shipping should be completed by the end of April IF all goes well.
Warning - I can't be held responsible for minor defects but I can get the factory to replace anything with major damage. I don't want an LZ-FE fiasco in shipping to occur.
If this goes well I have plans for a keypad and several other boards in mind and I'm discussing those with my CAD person at this time.
Pictures and colors will be posted shortly, comments that are useful and productive are appreciated and listened to.
Thank you for your patience.
ninjadoc
I asked a question earlier that got buried about how the edges of the case are shaped, in the prototype pictures it's not quite clear if they're rounded fillets or a sort of flat bezelled edge but they look quite rounded. Are they truly smoothly rounded edges? Ex:
More
(http://i.imgur.com/v2frtQz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
Cheers, and thanks for all the work you've done keeping this project afloat.
Post by: xondat on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:03:45
I asked a question earlier that got buried about how the edges of the case are shaped, in the prototype pictures it's not quite clear if they're rounded fillets or a sort of flat bezelled edge but they look quite rounded. Are they truly smoothly rounded edges? Ex:They're filleted like the corners. See a HHKB, just like that.MoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/v2frtQz.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
Cheers, and thanks for all the work you've done keeping this project afloat.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:05:37
After surgery my eyes are messed up and I can't always tell black and grey - don't ask - so if I'm wrong just laugh and go on please.
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:06:30
It's happening!!
I'm planning on as many as I can sell.
Post by: pr0ximity on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:06:50
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 16:10:10
Show ImageI hope to start the GB either next week or the first week in January. Production is predicted to be 12 - 16 weeks. boards will be shipped to me or to a proxy if there are several orders in another country. Shipping from the factory will be included in the base price, shipping from me or from the proxies to your home will be billed separately. It is MUCH cheaper to be shipped on bulk.
Boards will be made of Aluminum K701 which I've been assured by US machine shops will handle the rigors of being a computer keyboard.
Colors offer will be black, grey/titanium, silver, and either a blue/cyan or pink.
The top and bottom may be ordered in different colors.
Both brass and stainless steel weights will be offered. Stainless steel will cost more because of cost of both material and cost of machining. The brass weight will not be nickle coated due to cost.
Stainless steel and aluminum plates will be offered and due to cost stainless plates will cost more.
Aluminum plates can be anodized or left uncolored. Colors for the plates will include silver, grey, black, and maybe red. I would love gold to be an option but I'm not sure that is possible.
Shipping should be completed by the end of April IF all goes well.
Warning - I can't be held responsible for minor defects but I can get the factory to replace anything with major damage. I don't want an LZ-FE fiasco in shipping to occur.
If this goes well I have plans for a keypad and several other boards in mind and I'm discussing those with my CAD person at this time.
Pictures and colors will be posted shortly, comments that are useful and productive are appreciated and listened to.
Thank you for your patience.
ninjadoc
I asked a question earlier that got buried about how the edges of the case are shaped, in the prototype pictures it's not quite clear if they're rounded fillets or a sort of flat bezelled edge but they look quite rounded. Are they truly smoothly rounded edges? Ex:More(http://i.imgur.com/v2frtQz.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/v2frtQz.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/1GMvmuS.jpg)
Cheers, and thanks for all the work you've done keeping this project afloat.
Easier to answer once the boards are in hand. Just paid for the prototypes this morning, should be on their way to me soon.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 17:54:22
I like that lavender/blue color!! But maybe it's a possibly to have a rose/gold or champagne/pink, but I'll gladly accept whatever the final color choices happen to be :thumb: :thumb:
I tried on the rose gold/champagne pink - I really wanted that. I guess it is hard to anodize correctly - it was strongly discouraged.
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 22 December 2016, 17:58:26
We started with Hubble's files, YukTsi redid them, and then the final changes were done by Asilan and everyone's hard work is greatly appreciated. Limitz has given me endless encouragement when I've been ready to flush this down the drain and has kept me going many times when I started to say "screw it" and close the thread.
Post by: skcheng on Thu, 22 December 2016, 18:08:50
I like that lavender/blue color!! But maybe it's a possibly to have a rose/gold or champagne/pink, but I'll gladly accept whatever the final color choices happen to be :thumb: :thumb:
I tried on the rose gold/champagne pink - I really wanted that. I guess it is hard to anodize correctly - it was strongly discouraged.
Ok!! Thanks!! I just know that PhotoE really wanted a Rose Gold like color. But I'm sure the both of us will gladly choose from the finalized available color offerings. Thanks!! Looks GREAT!1
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 22 December 2016, 18:12:29
Ninja, what about something more simple, like basic pink, not champagne or rose gold kind? Not hot pink variety but a light pink of some sort.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35864.msg905696#msg905696
I don't mean to create any difficulties, just checking what's possible before the GB starts. Thanks again for your hard work and everyone else's who's been involved to make this design happen!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 23 December 2016, 00:44:07
Thanks for the support, skcheng :)
Ninja, what about something more simple, like basic pink, not champagne or rose gold kind? Not hot pink variety but a light pink of some sort.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=35864.msg905696#msg905696
I don't mean to create any difficulties, just checking what's possible before the GB starts. Thanks again for your hard work and everyone else's who's been involved to make this design happen!
that is pink.
Post by: keikun17 on Tue, 27 December 2016, 21:37:02
Post by: Patchwrks on Tue, 27 December 2016, 22:20:59
Post by: rabbitfire on Wed, 28 December 2016, 03:52:36
I hope to start the GB either next week or the first week in January. Production is predicted to be 12 - 16 weeks. boards will be shipped to me or to a proxy if there are several orders in another country. Shipping from the factory will be included in the base price, shipping from me or from the proxies to your home will be billed separately. It is MUCH cheaper to be shipped on bulk.
Boards will be made of Aluminum K701 which I've been assured by US machine shops will handle the rigors of being a computer keyboard.
Colors offer will be black, grey/titanium, silver, and either a blue/cyan or pink.
The top and bottom may be ordered in different colors.
Both brass and stainless steel weights will be offered. Stainless steel will cost more because of cost of both material and cost of machining. The brass weight will not be nickle coated due to cost.
Stainless steel and aluminum plates will be offered and due to cost stainless plates will cost more.
Aluminum plates can be anodized or left uncolored. Colors for the plates will include silver, grey, black, and maybe red. I would love gold to be an option but I'm not sure that is possible.
Shipping should be completed by the end of April IF all goes well.
Warning - I can't be held responsible for minor defects but I can get the factory to replace anything with major damage. I don't want an LZ-FE fiasco in shipping to occur.
If this goes well I have plans for a keypad and several other boards in mind and I'm discussing those with my CAD person at this time.
Pictures and colors will be posted shortly, comments that are useful and productive are appreciated and listened to.
Thank you for your patience.
ninjadoc
100% sure join this GB! Looking for a custom TKL for months.
Post by: Gajible on Wed, 28 December 2016, 04:21:44
I know previous groupbuys have encountered issues with PayPal freezing funds because of the sudden influx of money.
PayPal would definitely be preferred for most int'l buyers like me, I'm sure, but having money frozen is preferred by no one.
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 28 December 2016, 05:57:19
Post by: breusch91 on Wed, 28 December 2016, 19:49:06
Post by: daviswalkers on Thu, 29 December 2016, 13:18:57
any updated word on pricing for this? Saw in the beginning it said from $350-400, just wondering if that was still the zone or if its raised/lowered?
Current status of the Mira
First – the current prototypes are here http://imgur.com/a/PWJdb (http://imgur.com/a/PWJdb)
It will have the famous O’Mira above the keypad and probably SE on the back by the USB hole.
The SE may or may not have a brass inlay.
The plan for now is to offer it with stainless steel weights but brass may be considered but will not be nickel coated and will be subject to corrosion.
I plan to offer the colors of black, silver, and grey/titanium but one or two other colors may be offered depending on the anodizing available.
II expect to be able to offer stainless steel and aluminum plates and the aluminum plates can be anodized. The plates do not allow switch top removal, that may change depending on time available to make that change.
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
I can possibly offer stabilizers and even LED’s if there is enough interest.
Assuming everything works out and I can stay out of the hospital I want to start the group buy in January. I haven’t thought of the ordering period yet but as long as the manufacturer can handle the numbers I do not plan on capping out the amount sold. It is possible that it would have to go in two or more stages depending on the capability of myself and the manufacturer to move the product. The plan is for the Mira to be boxed similar to the TX-87 and the TX-CP which should prevent damage. The quality control will be done at the factory and I can’t be help responsible for minor defects but anything like the damages occurred by the LZ-FE will be taken care of.
Timeline:
1) Ordering or verifying ordering around 2 weeks
2) Payment two weeks for price of the board, shipping will be billed separately.
3) From time of payment to the manufacturer to my door should be about 12 weeks. I may try to have the boards sent directly to other countries that have several orders to a proxy to cut down cost. Canada would definitely be a country I would like to do this with.
4) Cost – has not been finalized due to all details haven’t been worked out but I would expect the cost to be between $400 - $425 + the shipping to your home. The shipping from the manufacturer will be included in the original cost and is less when shipped in bulk.
Now being honest, I'm going to mention the fly in the ointment:
(Quoting from the original post by DrHubblePhD in the beginning of this thread - I am not asking for donations, money, or a deposit. I'm simply quoting what was initially said about the deposit. I will give a more coherent edit tomorrow.): "In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!
What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira
What you get in return:"
- You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
- The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
- Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
- Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
- A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers
Show Image(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/tongue.gif)Show Image(https://geekhack.org/Smileys/solosmileys/laugh.gif)
That was quoted from the beginning of the thread. I'm not requesting anything.
I don't know how much money I've put into this, I refuse to count up the money or the hours. The numbering on the first 57 will be done and as far as I know Zeal is donating the gold stabilizers. I cannot donate however much has been put down for the Mira as a deposit. I can try to give you a good board at the best price I can give. I don't expect to make money out of this I just want to see the board completed.
My plan now is to charge everyone the same for the board. If there is an issue or complaint - which I can think of many - go ahead and PM me unless you think it is useful to the community then post it in the thread.
If the group buy is successful I have several other keyboards in the planning/CAD phase and I promise I won't post them until I know they can be produced.
Post by: BAS1C on Tue, 03 January 2017, 00:35:31
Post by: rabbitfire on Tue, 03 January 2017, 06:12:54
I hope to start the GB either next week or the first week in January. Production is predicted to be 12 - 16 weeks. boards will be shipped to me or to a proxy if there are several orders in another country. Shipping from the factory will be included in the base price, shipping from me or from the proxies to your home will be billed separately. It is MUCH cheaper to be shipped on bulk.
Boards will be made of Aluminum K701 which I've been assured by US machine shops will handle the rigors of being a computer keyboard.
Colors offer will be black, grey/titanium, silver, and either a blue/cyan or pink.
The top and bottom may be ordered in different colors.
Both brass and stainless steel weights will be offered. Stainless steel will cost more because of cost of both material and cost of machining. The brass weight will not be nickle coated due to cost.
Stainless steel and aluminum plates will be offered and due to cost stainless plates will cost more.
Aluminum plates can be anodized or left uncolored. Colors for the plates will include silver, grey, black, and maybe red. I would love gold to be an option but I'm not sure that is possible.
Shipping should be completed by the end of April IF all goes well.
Warning - I can't be held responsible for minor defects but I can get the factory to replace anything with major damage. I don't want an LZ-FE fiasco in shipping to occur.
If this goes well I have plans for a keypad and several other boards in mind and I'm discussing those with my CAD person at this time.
Pictures and colors will be posted shortly, comments that are useful and productive are appreciated and listened to.
Thank you for your patience.
ninjadoc
It's the first week of Jan. Hope this IC goes to GB soon!
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 03 January 2017, 07:53:14
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 03 January 2017, 08:18:41
Been waiting on this to fire for a long long time, but sadly I dont think I will have the funds if it starts this month :(
See if they will accept dabs as payment.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 03 January 2017, 08:25:50
Been waiting on this to fire for a long long time, but sadly I dont think I will have the funds if it starts this month :(
See if they will accept dabs as payment.
I'd pay double.
Post by: Waateva on Tue, 03 January 2017, 08:39:26
Been waiting on this to fire for a long long time, but sadly I dont think I will have the funds if it starts this month :(
See if they will accept dabs as payment.
I'd pay double.
I double-dab dare you.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 03 January 2017, 08:45:00
Been waiting on this to fire for a long long time, but sadly I dont think I will have the funds if it starts this month :(
See if they will accept dabs as payment.
I'd pay double.
I double-dab dare you.
(https://media1.popsugar-assets.com/files/thumbor/990eFYOzvRxnmgCDDp0fvrMB2wM/fit-in/2048xorig/filters:format_auto-!!-:strip_icc-!!-/2014/12/05/880/n/1922283/4980bf77479d6c6d_i-triple-dog-dare-you/i/Nothing-Beats-Triple-Dog-Dare.gif)
Post by: rabbitfire on Tue, 03 January 2017, 22:25:37
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Wed, 04 January 2017, 07:54:03
Just joined GB for zealios switch and gold transparent stabilizer from Zeal. Only need a Mira case to make my very first custom kb. :cool:
Would be a hell of a first man!
Post by: ninjadoc on Mon, 09 January 2017, 16:58:13
Colors offered: silver, black, grey, blue/cyan, pink
Plates – aluminum, stainless steel
Aluminum plates will be offered in silver, black, grey, blue, pink
Weights will be offered in stainless steel or brass
PCB’s will be Leeku’s but Gon has a NERD that will fit. Yuk Tsi has also designed a board that will fit and I believe winkeyless also has one. At this time I will only offer Leeku’s and it will be included in the kit price
The first 57 will be numbered as promised
The boards will be in a custom box and are shown in the link provided for colors. The colors shown demonstrate how hard it is to get accurate colors from a picture. Most of you know what the cyan looks like on the LZ-S and the picture is terrible. The grey show is by the manufacturer and all three appear different and the blue does too. I will ask for the darker grey and the blue is close to the LZ cyan but is not an exact match. I will try to obtain better pictures from the manufacturer. The other colors are self-explanatory.
I will attempt to provide stabilizer sets if I can source them cheaply – if anyone has a good source please PM me
There will be a custom keycap included made by the manufacturer; I can’t afford an artesian to be included
Pricing should be between $400 - $425 but will vary depending on the options chosen by each of you.
The shipping from China to me or proxies will be divided evenly among all in order to be most equitable and will be included in the shipping price directly to your home.
Due to circumstances beyond my control the price of the boards will not have the $40 deposit deducted from your bill. I think most GH members in the GB know why. If you want to complain or need an explanation, please confine it to PM’s to me.
I will probably run the GB for two weeks, it will be open to all. This will occur during the Chinese New Year celebration which will cause a delay. I anticipate 12 – 16 weeks after order for shipping to begin.
I think that covers everything and as always questions are appreciated.
Before I forget let me include thanks to zzyjayfree for helping me find a manufacturer, working as a middleman, and dealing with my endless questions and requests.
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Mon, 09 January 2017, 17:03:47
Once I get agreement from the manufacturer I will begin the GB.
Colors offered: silver, black, grey, blue/cyan, pink
Plates – aluminum, stainless steel
Aluminum plates will be offered in silver, black, grey, blue, pink
Weights will be offered in stainless steel or brass
PCB’s will be Leeku’s but Gon has a NERD that will fit. Yuk Tsi has also designed a board that will fit and I believe winkeyless also has one. At this time I will only offer Leeku’s and it will be included in the kit price
The first 57 will be numbered as promised
The boards will be in a custom box and are shown in the link provided for colors. The colors shown demonstrate how hard it is to get accurate colors from a picture. Most of you know what the cyan looks like on the LZ-S and the picture is terrible. The grey show is by the manufacturer and all three appear different and the blue does too. I will ask for the darker grey and the blue is close to the LZ cyan but is not an exact match. I will try to obtain better pictures from the manufacturer. The other colors are self-explanatory.
I will attempt to provide stabilizer sets if I can source them cheaply – if anyone has a good source please PM me
There will be a custom keycap included made by the manufacturer; I can’t afford an artesian to be included
Pricing should be between $400 - $425 but will vary depending on the options chosen by each of you.
The shipping from China to me or proxies will be divided evenly among all in order to be most equitable and will be included in the shipping price directly to your home.
Due to circumstances beyond my control the price of the boards will not have the $40 deposit deducted from your bill. I think most GH members in the GB know why. If you want to complain or need an explanation, please confine it to PM’s to me.
I will probably run the GB for two weeks, it will be open to all. This will occur during the Chinese New Year celebration which will cause a delay. I anticipate 12 – 16 weeks after order for shipping to begin.
I think that covers everything and as always questions are appreciated.
Before I forget let me include thanks to zzyjayfree for helping me find a manufacturer, working as a middleman, and dealing with my endless questions and requests.
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
The premium seems to be quite worth it, the board is beautiful and it's always a large bonus to have a dedicated GB runner. Sad I didn't happen to see this to get into the first 57 but I'm more interested in the max order count. I feel like I read that it won't simply be a fill out the order form and you get one type thing? Correct me if I'm wrong please.
Edit: I swear I read the whole post but now I see:
"I will probably run the GB for two weeks, it will be open to all. This will occur during the Chinese New Year celebration which will cause a delay. I anticipate 12 – 16 weeks after order for shipping to begin."
Awesome, thanks.
Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 09 January 2017, 17:12:01
Some of the other colors could be interesting. Which was that grayish blue in the earlier samples you've shown us of the prototypes (http://i.imgur.com/SyWT1Ae.jpg)? Is that the "blue"?
Post by: skcheng on Mon, 09 January 2017, 17:39:49
Post by: poolside on Mon, 09 January 2017, 17:52:34
Once I get agreement from the manufacturer I will begin the GB.
Colors offered: silver, black, grey, blue/cyan, pink
Plates – aluminum, stainless steel
Aluminum plates will be offered in silver, black, grey, blue, pink
Weights will be offered in stainless steel or brass
PCB’s will be Leeku’s but Gon has a NERD that will fit. Yuk Tsi has also designed a board that will fit and I believe winkeyless also has one. At this time I will only offer Leeku’s and it will be included in the kit price
The first 57 will be numbered as promised
The boards will be in a custom box and are shown in the link provided for colors. The colors shown demonstrate how hard it is to get accurate colors from a picture. Most of you know what the cyan looks like on the LZ-S and the picture is terrible. The grey show is by the manufacturer and all three appear different and the blue does too. I will ask for the darker grey and the blue is close to the LZ cyan but is not an exact match. I will try to obtain better pictures from the manufacturer. The other colors are self-explanatory.
I will attempt to provide stabilizer sets if I can source them cheaply – if anyone has a good source please PM me
There will be a custom keycap included made by the manufacturer; I can’t afford an artesian to be included
Pricing should be between $400 - $425 but will vary depending on the options chosen by each of you.
The shipping from China to me or proxies will be divided evenly among all in order to be most equitable and will be included in the shipping price directly to your home.
Due to circumstances beyond my control the price of the boards will not have the $40 deposit deducted from your bill. I think most GH members in the GB know why. If you want to complain or need an explanation, please confine it to PM’s to me.
I will probably run the GB for two weeks, it will be open to all. This will occur during the Chinese New Year celebration which will cause a delay. I anticipate 12 – 16 weeks after order for shipping to begin.
I think that covers everything and as always questions are appreciated.
Before I forget let me include thanks to zzyjayfree for helping me find a manufacturer, working as a middleman, and dealing with my endless questions and requests.
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
Great news, thanks for opening the GB to everyone. :)
The Mira has been at the top of my dream boards list ever since I discovered this thread (too late) a few months ago. The slant and the backside chamfer, the waves on the sides, the original CNC weight and O'Mira engraving above the arrow cluster. Everything is there. The diffuser adds a really nice touch as well. And it even comes in a neat branded box. As a distant bystander, I am very happy I will be able to pick up one of these beauties.
Fantastic work, Ninjadoc! :thumb:
How tall will the front lip of the keyboard be?
Post by: riotonthebay on Mon, 09 January 2017, 19:30:38
Post by: zzyjayfree on Mon, 09 January 2017, 22:41:30
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Post by: Weltschmerz on Mon, 09 January 2017, 23:19:01
Post by: rabbitfire on Tue, 10 January 2017, 00:24:03
Just joined GB for zealios switch and gold transparent stabilizer from Zeal. Only need a Mira case to make my very first custom kb. :cool:
Would be a hell of a first man!
hehe... :thumb:
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
Does the Mira only has WKL version?
Post by: nastrovje on Tue, 10 January 2017, 09:56:02
Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but this is going to be MX only, correct? (Sorry if this has been answered multiple times, really don't want to go through 46 pages to find out)
Some time ago ninjadoc wrote me in a pm that an Alps plate can be made.
Post by: breusch91 on Tue, 10 January 2017, 12:46:40
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Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 10 January 2017, 16:09:04
Just joined GB for zealios switch and gold transparent stabilizer from Zeal. Only need a Mira case to make my very first custom kb. :cool:
Would be a hell of a first man!
hehe... :thumb:
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
Does the Mira only has WKL version?
NinjaDoc sent me both WK and WKL files. So I assume he's going to offer both options.
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Post by: rabbitfire on Wed, 11 January 2017, 00:37:14
Just joined GB for zealios switch and gold transparent stabilizer from Zeal. Only need a Mira case to make my very first custom kb. :cool:
Would be a hell of a first man!
hehe... :thumb:
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
Does the Mira only has WKL version?
NinjaDoc sent me both WK and WKL files. So I assume he's going to offer both options.
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Thanks for letting me know! Will go with WK version :thumb:
Post by: Weltschmerz on Wed, 11 January 2017, 01:24:43
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I'll have to buy it then. Don't really care if it's like the Orion V2 where you have to buy the mx stuff too, totally worth having a TKL alps board in a standard layout.
Post by: flopix on Wed, 11 January 2017, 08:34:35
Post by: nsmechkb on Wed, 11 January 2017, 08:49:48
Silly question: Is the GB open yet? On one hand I'm reading 1st week of Jan, on the other "pending supplier ..."
Not open yet. This is the most recent update:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2336353#msg2336353 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2336353#msg2336353)
Post by: hanoipho on Wed, 11 January 2017, 09:45:05
Post by: __ on Wed, 11 January 2017, 16:03:04
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 11 January 2017, 18:33:19
Sorry if this is a really dumb question, but this is going to be MX only, correct? (Sorry if this has been answered multiple times, really don't want to go through 46 pages to find out)
Duck offered 2 TKL keyboards that support Alps: Kingsaver and Orion. I've no idea/haven't checked if their plates would fit in place of the PCB offered in this GB, and you'd need a compatible plate. If you're set on having Alps in an aluminum case and TKL layout, you might want to look for one of those keyboards.
Post by: Patchwrks on Wed, 11 January 2017, 21:13:58
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 11 January 2017, 22:36:48
Is zeal still offering gold stabs for people in the original 57?
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=70149.msg2320860#msg2320860
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 12 January 2017, 10:39:00
Killin' me! Just put in for two of those RAMA M65-As, and here this opens back up soon... and it's gorgeous. Such a perfect board to drop SA NASA on to if we get that set off the ground.Not only that, but then surprise SA Penumbra & SA Hyperfuse.... I can't even see the charred remains of my wallet at this point.
Post by: __ on Thu, 12 January 2017, 12:41:18
Not only that, but then surprise SA Penumbra & SA Hyperfuse.... I can't even see the charred remains of my wallet at this point.
The crater where my wallet lies will soon pale in comparison to the crater that will be my final resting place. I'm buying this **** with a major dental bill and my wife's surgery looming on the very near horizon.
It isn't that we can't afford this silliness atop those bills, it's that she has roundly categorized this as one of my sillier hobbies. Even though one of those M-65a's is hers.
Post by: Blackhawk on Thu, 12 January 2017, 12:43:09
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Thu, 12 January 2017, 13:10:36
Just to confirm, this cannot be assembled without the diffuser right?Correct, limitz stated so earlier in the thread:
The acrylic spacer/diffuser is a nice and unexpected touch.
Yes, this one is my design.
Unlike most designs with acrylic spacers that have the spacer sandwiched; the Mira top/bottom mating is grooved like the 356mini (keyingtogether). The acrylic diffuser is made to support the mating, and is therefore integral to the keyboard.
Post by: CMYK on Thu, 12 January 2017, 13:31:44
Some time ago ninjadoc wrote me in a pm that an Alps plate can be made.
I'll have to buy it then. Don't really care if it's like the Orion V2 where you have to buy the mx stuff too, totally worth having a TKL alps board in a standard layout.
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If there were an Alps plate, what PCB would people use? I'm not aware of a TKL Alps pcb that is readily available.
Post by: Sylanthra on Thu, 12 January 2017, 19:15:09
Post by: tuba section on Fri, 13 January 2017, 10:26:54
Post by: nsmechkb on Fri, 13 January 2017, 11:07:19
I also wonder about the pink. Is it a hot pink like kin's boards or a more muted pink like the Jane (and by the looks of it the Mech27)?
Interested to learn this, too. I'm picturing a color similar to that of the TGR Jane in pink. At first I wondered how well pink fits the space theme, but after playing with the colors in some prototype pictures, I think pink would look great.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 13 January 2017, 11:23:38
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 13 January 2017, 11:26:49
Post by: nsmechkb on Fri, 13 January 2017, 11:29:23
i have seen very few shops that can get a decent pink, and even fewer who can do so consistently. imo, it is better to get powder-coat / cerakote in your favorite pink hue than to try to anodize
Damn... I hadn't thought of that. But that would be amazing!
I've asked, and looks like the plan is to do a light pink sort of like 456 GT. From the Matrix-lab forum: https://static.matrix-lab.cn/attachment/forum/201611/23/000845u792z349zpdy8yoy.jpg
Thanks for this!
Post by: tuba section on Fri, 13 January 2017, 11:52:17
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 13 January 2017, 12:08:54
any updated word on pricing for this? Saw in the beginning it said from $350-400, just wondering if that was still the zone or if its raised/lowered?
Hubble's pricing of $350 to $400 was made without him ever investigating the cost of production which is not a good way of doing things. If my calculations are correct - and in all honesty my meds from all three surgeries are messing with my head - The cost should range between $400 - $425 depending on which weight and plate you get because the stainless steel is costing me more due to machining costs.
Post by: breusch91 on Sat, 14 January 2017, 00:46:27
I've asked, and looks like the plan is to do a light pink sort of like 456 GT. From the Matrix-lab forum, photo of 456 GT: https://static.matrix-lab.cn/attachment/forum/201611/23/000845u792z349zpdy8yoy.jpg
Is there any chance of getting an orange color, or at the very least a really dark grey? I really like this look of this board and have really wanted to pinck up a tkl but none of these colors would work well with my sa carbon set. And I know it's not all about me, but even if you think orange would be more unpopular then pink im sure youd get a good turnout for the dark grey.
edit: just saw ninja doc stating grey and black would be colors a page or so back, so now i look dumb haha. would still love an orange but at least i have a fall back now. Is there any way to get that first page op updated with the more current info?
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sun, 15 January 2017, 12:26:22
Colors offered: silver, black, grey, blue/cyan, pink
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
On the imgur link, after the cyan colors, there's a pic of a darker blue on top of black. Will that darker blue be offered? I am trying to make this an R2 Penumbra board for myself but the colors offered on the post is a bit ambiguous (blue/cyan).
Post by: E3E on Sun, 15 January 2017, 15:25:25
Colors offered: silver, black, grey, blue/cyan, pink
http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F (http://imgur.com/a/pOa6F)
On the imgur link, after the cyan colors, there's a pic of a darker blue on top of black. Will that darker blue be offered? I am trying to make this an R2 Penumbra board for myself but the colors offered on the post is a bit ambiguous (blue/cyan).
I'd think so. Originally Cyan seemed to be offered, but it seems like Ninjadoc got down the most popular colors. He said blue, grey, silver, pink, and black. I'd bet the blue shown there is probably what will be offered. We'll have to wait to hear from ND.
Post by: Gajible on Sun, 15 January 2017, 15:31:07
I didn't win a Fjell :( , so its full steam ahead for this one!
Post by: alienman82 on Sun, 15 January 2017, 15:36:58
I am way too hyped for this board!
I didn't win a Fjell :( , so its full steam ahead for this one!
T_T
Post by: rabbitfire on Mon, 16 January 2017, 08:36:43
I am way too hyped for this board!
I didn't win a Fjell :( , so its full steam ahead for this one!
haha...same here! Actually I want both Fjell and Mira. Will join Fjell again.
Post by: Gajible on Mon, 16 January 2017, 09:19:40
I am way too hyped for this board!
I didn't win a Fjell :( , so its full steam ahead for this one!
haha...same here! Actually I want both Fjell and Mira. Will join Fjell again.
I'll join Fjell again too, this is just my way of mentally justifying this to myself.. Who am I trying to kid?
Post by: flopix on Tue, 17 January 2017, 01:18:33
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 17 January 2017, 01:19:50
Post by: flopix on Tue, 17 January 2017, 01:39:34
I've offered assistance with adding up-to-date information to the OP. Hopefully soon, when Ninjadoc is ready.Excellent! Thank you
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 07:20:16
There should be a brief color poll running through Saturday or Sunday.
If possible I will start the GB on Monday or Tuesday depending on my assurance of starting it by the factory and by the colors. The GB will be open to all and I will probably leave it open for two weeks.
The first 57 will be numbered, the others will not. Production may have to go in waves, beginning with 57 then 60, then 60 but that is only a possibility. Items will be shipped directly from China to avoid duty fees,two shipping, and me going crazier. The estimate is around $40 - $50 but could be a little less or a little more along the Duck or TGR prices.
QA - the boxes is expected to prevent damage in shipment and my understanding is boards with major damage will be replaced.
The Chinese New Year Begins on the 20th so I'm verifying available colors prior to then and prior to the poll. The Chinese New Year is quite an event and there is a lot of information about it here - http://www.chinahighlights.com/travelguide/festivals/chinese-new-year-celebration.htm
Our celebration pales in comparison.
I will limit the colors to 5, a cyan is available and a pink is available. The poll will be about the blue/cyan and the shade of pink. If you want your opinion to count, please vote. Black, silver, and grey are set.
Thank you for your patience, unless something really goes bad this GB should occur and start within the next 7 days. Thank all of you that have helped in this project.
Future - keypad, design has been discuses but not started. 75% - design also has been discussed. 65% will be a shrinkage of the 75% and probably a few modifications and the HHKB option will be available. A Full size is possible but a poll would be done prior to that beginning. IC would be done on all of the above.
Post by: breusch91 on Tue, 17 January 2017, 10:36:19
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 17 January 2017, 12:36:53
Post by: poolside on Tue, 17 January 2017, 16:57:25
Future - keypad, design has been discuses but not started. 75% - design also has been discussed. 65% will be a shrinkage of the 75% and probably a few modifications and the HHKB option will be available. A Full size is possible but a poll would be done prior to that beginning. IC would be done on all of the above.
A whole line of Mira keyboards, exciting! :)
And this makes picking a color for this one easier, as one could still get different colors later for the other boards. If those are to come alive, of course.
Post by: FrostyToast on Tue, 17 January 2017, 17:25:04
This is the best picture I can find:
(http://i.imgur.com/xH7YZQ1.jpg)
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:07:39
i have seen very few shops that can get a decent pink, and even fewer who can do so consistently. imo, it is better to get powder-coat / cerakote in your favorite pink hue than to try to anodize
That sounds great. Have you ever had cerakote applied to a keyboard?
The shop doing cerakote uses a sandblasting gun and goes back and forth over the aluminum. It looks great until you apply cerakote. Then you have lines, uneven color, and any area that they stopped briefly with the gun ( second or two) appears as a glaring patch. How do I know? I tool one of my keyboards to the best shop in this area that does custom cerakoting. He did it five times, and refused to have me bring a different board in to try.
Powder coating is another issue. For mass quantity of boards you have to use a big shop. They throw things around like a the recycle guys. They hang them up on wires and if you don't have a screw hole on it you have a blank, unpainted area. Yes, I explored that option too. You can use a private small custom shop - my keyboard was there for three months and was never done. It is difficult to get those options done but powder coating can be done in small quantity. Talk to Meiosis or JD Carpe if you one a one off powder coated.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:14:34
These are the approximate prices, they might be lower but they certainly shouldn't be higher.
Mira SE
Stainless weight and aluminum plate $ 400
Brass weight and aluminum plate $ 385
Steel weight and steel plate $ 420
Brass weight and steel plate $ 400
That is as close to the stated goal of $400 as I can get.
Thanks again for your patience with me.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:23:47
Well, probably like most of you I keep saying I'm going to read this thread https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=43865.0
and never do. That is on keycap and keyboard photography. I mention this to demonstrate two pictures of the same keyboard color so you keep that in mind when you review the upcoming color poll.
(http://i.imgur.com/NhBAJpQl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ju4tgWh.jpg)
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:25:07
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:25:36
Future - keypad, design has been discuses but not started. 75% - design also has been discussed. 65% will be a shrinkage of the 75% and probably a few modifications and the HHKB option will be available. A Full size is possible but a poll would be done prior to that beginning. IC would be done on all of the above.
A whole line of Mira keyboards, exciting! :)
And this makes picking a color for this one easier, as one could still get different colors later for the other boards. If those are to come alive, of course.
They will only be IC if I have the design and a price - just so everyone knows that. I don't want to flail around again.
Post by: nmur on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:42:12
i see the prototype is winkeyless, but i also see some renders with the winkey as well (although they may not be relevant anymore)
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Tue, 17 January 2017, 21:43:41
Sorry about the delay - I had a family function and was delayed.
These are the approximate prices, they might be lower but they certainly shouldn't be higher.
Mira SE
Stainless weight and aluminum plate $ 400
Brass weight and aluminum plate $ 385
Steel weight and steel plate $ 420
Brass weight and steel plate $ 400
That is as close to the stated goal of $400 as I can get.
Thanks again for your patience with me.
Refreshing to have my ideal selection be the lowest price. Will there be an extra plate and PCB option? Bring on the GB!
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 17 January 2017, 22:26:36
i have seen very few shops that can get a decent pink, and even fewer who can do so consistently. imo, it is better to get powder-coat / cerakote in your favorite pink hue than to try to anodize
That sounds great. Have you ever had cerakote applied to a keyboard?
The shop doing cerakote uses a sandblasting gun and goes back and forth over the aluminum. It looks great until you apply cerakote. Then you have lines, uneven color, and any area that they stopped briefly with the gun ( second or two) appears as a glaring patch. How do I know? I tool one of my keyboards to the best shop in this area that does custom cerakoting. He did it five times, and refused to have me bring a different board in to try.
Powder coating is another issue. For mass quantity of boards you have to use a big shop. They throw things around like a the recycle guys. They hang them up on wires and if you don't have a screw hole on it you have a blank, unpainted area. Yes, I explored that option too. You can use a private small custom shop - my keyboard was there for three months and was never done. It is difficult to get those options done but powder coating can be done in small quantity. Talk to Meiosis or JD Carpe if you one a one off powder coated.
very valid points, ninja. the intent of my comments were to steer those looking for a particular color to get it done themselves at a shop they trust. eg. that should not be on your shoulders along with all you are doing.
thanks again for the tremendous effort!
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 22:31:41
Extra PCB's, plates, and weights will be offered.
The top and bottom can be ordered in different colors - for example silver top, black base.
In the future I hope to offer a GB for plates of different materials and maybe with a different PCB - not now though.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 17 January 2017, 22:36:30
i have seen very few shops that can get a decent pink, and even fewer who can do so consistently. imo, it is better to get powder-coat / cerakote in your favorite pink hue than to try to anodize
That sounds great. Have you ever had cerakote applied to a keyboard?
The shop doing cerakote uses a sandblasting gun and goes back and forth over the aluminum. It looks great until you apply cerakote. Then you have lines, uneven color, and any area that they stopped briefly with the gun ( second or two) appears as a glaring patch. How do I know? I tool one of my keyboards to the best shop in this area that does custom cerakoting. He did it five times, and refused to have me bring a different board in to try.
Powder coating is another issue. For mass quantity of boards you have to use a big shop. They throw things around like a the recycle guys. They hang them up on wires and if you don't have a screw hole on it you have a blank, unpainted area. Yes, I explored that option too. You can use a private small custom shop - my keyboard was there for three months and was never done. It is difficult to get those options done but powder coating can be done in small quantity. Talk to Meiosis or JD Carpe if you one a one off powder coated.
very valid points, ninja. the intent of my comments were to steer those looking for a particular color to get it done themselves at a shop they trust. eg. that should not be on your shoulders along with all you are doing.
thanks again for the tremendous effort!
My point was to choose carefully and for some reason cerakote did not like my keyboard and he wouldn't try another so I have to say try cerakote at your own risk - it can look really cool on other items but I don't know if it will work on a keyboard.
Post by: alienman82 on Tue, 17 January 2017, 22:40:41
i have seen very few shops that can get a decent pink, and even fewer who can do so consistently. imo, it is better to get powder-coat / cerakote in your favorite pink hue than to try to anodize
That sounds great. Have you ever had cerakote applied to a keyboard?
The shop doing cerakote uses a sandblasting gun and goes back and forth over the aluminum. It looks great until you apply cerakote. Then you have lines, uneven color, and any area that they stopped briefly with the gun ( second or two) appears as a glaring patch. How do I know? I tool one of my keyboards to the best shop in this area that does custom cerakoting. He did it five times, and refused to have me bring a different board in to try.
Powder coating is another issue. For mass quantity of boards you have to use a big shop. They throw things around like a the recycle guys. They hang them up on wires and if you don't have a screw hole on it you have a blank, unpainted area. Yes, I explored that option too. You can use a private small custom shop - my keyboard was there for three months and was never done. It is difficult to get those options done but powder coating can be done in small quantity. Talk to Meiosis or JD Carpe if you one a one off powder coated.
very valid points, ninja. the intent of my comments were to steer those looking for a particular color to get it done themselves at a shop they trust. eg. that should not be on your shoulders along with all you are doing.
thanks again for the tremendous effort!
My point was to choose carefully and for some reason cerakote did not like my keyboard and he wouldn't try another so I have to say try cerakote at your own risk - it can look really cool on other items but I don't know if it will work on a keyboard.
oh damn, do you mean the particular shop wouldn't do more? There are hundreds of cerakoting shops around, probably multiple in Cincinnati
Post by: Photoelectric on Tue, 17 January 2017, 22:44:28
oh damn, do you mean the particular shop wouldn't do more? There are hundreds of cerakoting shops around, probably multiple in Cincinnati
I think what he tried to say was that the shop really tried to make it work, and the results were not good. " I tool one of my keyboards to the best shop in this area that does custom cerakoting. " So there was no point in trying to do more tests, according to that shop.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 17 January 2017, 23:02:06
Post by: zzyjayfree on Tue, 17 January 2017, 23:40:01
Sit tight, Mira is happening!
Post by: Unforgivable on Tue, 17 January 2017, 23:48:53
Winkey and winkeyless will be offered
Extra PCB's, plates, and weights will be offered.
The top and bottom can be ordered in different colors - for example silver top, black base.
In the future I hope to offer a GB for plates of different materials and maybe with a different PCB - not now though.
Edit: I hope everyone votes Navy Blue on the polls this weekend. It looks amazing!
Thanks again for running this, can't wait to see it go live!
Post by: E3E on Wed, 18 January 2017, 00:20:02
sorry if it's been stated but i don't see the answer in the new OP, but is this winkeyless only?
i see the prototype is winkeyless, but i also see some renders with the winkey as well (although they may not be relevant anymore)
Yeah, winkey and winkeyless are supposed to be offered, and the plate is designed for both.
Post by: meiosis on Wed, 18 January 2017, 01:50:54
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 18 January 2017, 02:47:41
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
So, a few pages back the Leeku PCB was identified as the one being offered but it was said the bottom RGB LED's will not be pre-soldered. I'm just curious if the option to pay $5 more and get the SMD LED's soldered is a reality at this point.
Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 18 January 2017, 07:24:34
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
So, a few pages back the Leeku PCB was identified as the one being offered but it was said the bottom RGB LED's will not be pre-soldered. I'm just curious if the option to pay $5 more and get the SMD LED's soldered is a reality at this point.
Yeah, I think if this board has an acrylic layer, LED's should be included by default. Maybe have people who opt out get a $5 discount? Basically on the form, 'No LED?' -$5
Post by: flopix on Wed, 18 January 2017, 14:34:35
You mean "no soldered LEDs" = -5$, of course :)
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
So, a few pages back the Leeku PCB was identified as the one being offered but it was said the bottom RGB LED's will not be pre-soldered. I'm just curious if the option to pay $5 more and get the SMD LED's soldered is a reality at this point.
Yeah, I think if this board has an acrylic layer, LED's should be included by default. Maybe have people who opt out get a $5 discount? Basically on the form, 'No LED?' -$5
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:31:35
Since English seems to be hard for me at the end of the day for whatever reason - the Mira will be offered in black, silver,grey,blue,pink.
Poll is to decide which version of pink and which version of blue.
Thank you
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:32:46
I will only offer Leeku boards which will be soldered except for the bottom RGB LED’s. Leeku might be able to offer those soldered for $5 a board. The plates are designed to use both Leeku’s board and the NERD. YukTsi has been working on a TKL board that should fit and Winkeyless has a TKL board that I think will fit.
So, a few pages back the Leeku PCB was identified as the one being offered but it was said the bottom RGB LED's will not be pre-soldered. I'm just curious if the option to pay $5 more and get the SMD LED's soldered is a reality at this point.
To the best of my knowledge it is but I will clarify that with Leeku. I can only offer what I am given the opportunity to purchase.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 17:37:50
When the GB thread is opened I hope ninjadoc can be the creator :). Sucks to have to wait for someone who has abandoned this project (and taken the funds)
I will be the creator of the GB.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 18 January 2017, 18:53:58
Post by: techmattr on Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:12:30
colors have been submitted to Photoelectric for posting of a poll.
Since English seems to be hard for me at the end of the day for whatever reason - the Mira will be offered in black, silver,grey,blue,pink.
Poll is to decide which version of pink and which version of blue.
Thank you
Unless an extra $400 sprouts out of my butt in the next couple days allowing me to purchase two.... I think I'm going to have to play this conservative and go with Black or Silver.... or Grey...
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:25:08
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:55:04
Plan: poll from this Friday to next Friday, GB buy to start on January 28th and run through till February 11. Billing will only begin when I know the factory is ready to begin production.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:57:01
just to confirm, those of the first 57 that have stuck around so far still have our numbers reserved?
Correct - unless you've sold or traded it. Those sales have been kept up with. The numbers will be asked for on your order and if there is a discrepancy I or Frosty will PM you and ask about it.
Post by: ninjadoc on Wed, 18 January 2017, 19:57:32
The color poll will be added tomorrow, as per ninjadoc's request.
Thank you for all of your help
Post by: Slash Emperor on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:06:39
just to confirm, those of the first 57 that have stuck around so far still have our numbers reserved?
Correct - unless you've sold or traded it. Those sales have been kept up with. The numbers will be asked for on your order and if there is a discrepancy I or Frosty will PM you and ask about it.
That's great to hear! I had bought a slot from en7ropy back in August and was worried it wouldn't count for this.
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:08:18
just to confirm, those of the first 57 that have stuck around so far still have our numbers reserved?
Correct - unless you've sold or traded it. Those sales have been kept up with. The numbers will be asked for on your order and if there is a discrepancy I or Frosty will PM you and ask about it.
That's great to hear! I had bought a slot from en7ropy back in August and was worried it wouldn't count for this.
Yup I have you down on the list.
The entire list is up to date from what everyone has posted and what I have been PMd
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:20:27
Leeku TX-87 PCB's with presoldered RGB LED's will be available. I assume given there is a diffuser plate that most if not all will want these so that is all that will be ordered to make Leeku and my life simpler. Please add $5 to my previous costs of the Mira just so you have it in mind.
Plan: poll from this Friday to next Friday, GB buy to start on January 28th and run through till February 11. Billing will only begin when I know the factory is ready to begin production.
:thumb:
Remember to vote blue everyone!
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:30:53
Leeku TX-87 PCB's with presoldered RGB LED's will be available. I assume given there is a diffuser plate that most if not all will want these so that is all that will be ordered to make Leeku and my life simpler. Please add $5 to my previous costs of the Mira just so you have it in mind.
Plan: poll from this Friday to next Friday, GB buy to start on January 28th and run through till February 11. Billing will only begin when I know the factory is ready to begin production.
:thumb:
Remember to vote blue everyone!
:thinking:
we're voting for which blue we want from a variety of blues. Of course we're all going to vote blue.
Post by: breusch91 on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:31:56
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Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:37:47
Leeku TX-87 PCB's with presoldered RGB LED's will be available. I assume given there is a diffuser plate that most if not all will want these so that is all that will be ordered to make Leeku and my life simpler. Please add $5 to my previous costs of the Mira just so you have it in mind.
Plan: poll from this Friday to next Friday, GB buy to start on January 28th and run through till February 11. Billing will only begin when I know the factory is ready to begin production.
:thumb:
Remember to vote blue everyone!
:thinking:
we're voting for which blue we want from a variety of blues. Of course we're all going to vote blue.
Remember to vote some type of dark blue (not cyan)! :thumb:
Post by: FrostyToast on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:44:31
Leeku TX-87 PCB's with presoldered RGB LED's will be available. I assume given there is a diffuser plate that most if not all will want these so that is all that will be ordered to make Leeku and my life simpler. Please add $5 to my previous costs of the Mira just so you have it in mind.
Plan: poll from this Friday to next Friday, GB buy to start on January 28th and run through till February 11. Billing will only begin when I know the factory is ready to begin production.
:thumb:
Remember to vote blue everyone!
:thinking:
we're voting for which blue we want from a variety of blues. Of course we're all going to vote blue.
Remember to vote some type of dark blue (not cyan)! :thumb:
Good man! Love me some blue black.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 January 2017, 20:49:15
Post by: CMYK on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:13:01
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:25:23
I'm on-board with not-cyan as well. But remember that something like blue-black will just look black in most lighting that's not bright. Unless you live under a bright halogen lamp or have your desk right next to a bright window. Might as well get black if you want something that dark.
I'm not familiar with the blue-black color unless it is the photo ninjadoc posted two different angles of. I'm unafraid of black but would be hoping for more of a navy or traditional dark blue color.
Side question, has there been evidence of issues with non-nickel-coated brass producing some type of corrosion issues/does it look different from what a majority of the brass options offered on GH look like?
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:27:33
I'm on-board with not-cyan as well. But remember that something like blue-black will just look black in most lighting that's not bright. Unless you live under a bright halogen lamp or have your desk right next to a bright window. Might as well get black if you want something that dark.
I'm not familiar with the blue-black color unless it is the photo ninjadoc posted two different angles of. I'm unafraid of black but would be hoping for more of a navy or traditional dark blue color.
That's blue-gray (or rather grayish blue) for one of the prototypes on the photos you've seen, it's not that dark.
Post by: Rayoui on Wed, 18 January 2017, 21:34:02
I'm on-board with not-cyan as well. But remember that something like blue-black will just look black in most lighting that's not bright. Unless you live under a bright halogen lamp or have your desk right next to a bright window. Might as well get black if you want something that dark.
I'm not familiar with the blue-black color unless it is the photo ninjadoc posted two different angles of. I'm unafraid of black but would be hoping for more of a navy or traditional dark blue color.
Side question, has there been evidence of issues with non-nickel-coated brass producing some type of corrosion issues/does it look different from what a majority of the brass options offered on GH look like?
Raw brass will build up a patina over time but I think it actually looks quite nice. If you don't care for it, you can get some Nevr-Dull or Brasso and shine it up in minutes.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 18 January 2017, 22:29:40
Please vote only for the colors you plan to order. I.e. if you're going to order gray and black, then this poll is not for you.
You will be able to select up to two color options in the vote. If you plan on ordering blue, vote for the blue you prefer to see offered. If you plan on ordering pink, vote for the pink you prefer to see offered. If you're planning on buying a combination of pink and blue, of course you should vote for both.
(Keep in mind that you will be able to order different color for top and bottom of the Mira case).
Pictures of the options: http://imgur.com/a/JYOuh
Note that these are for general reference only!!! The final result might be slightly different. Also lighting has great effect on anodized aluminum color, for example indoor warm light vs. outdoor on a cloudy day.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 18 January 2017, 23:28:15
(http://i.imgur.com/lqztJkm.png)
Post by: ihalatch on Thu, 19 January 2017, 05:25:37
Post by: E3E on Thu, 19 January 2017, 09:55:17
Which SA set?
There's going to be a NASA SA set. It fits with the design concepts of the Mira. :)
Post by: rabbitfire on Thu, 19 January 2017, 10:58:52
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 January 2017, 13:35:24
. . .
COLOR POLL HAS BEEN ADDED! Also added a link at the top of the OP for explanation. If anything's not clear, please let me know.
The album with color options is linked at the top in the OP. You can change your vote if you change your mind.
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 19 January 2017, 13:46:25
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Thu, 19 January 2017, 13:47:31
Post by: flopix on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:05:42
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Thu, 19 January 2017, 14:13:46
Post by: eksuen on Thu, 19 January 2017, 15:59:47
Post by: Blackehart on Thu, 19 January 2017, 17:32:17
Is there an option to have switches added and soldered?
Basically a just add caps thing?
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 January 2017, 17:33:38
Post by: loud_asian on Thu, 19 January 2017, 17:41:19
Can someone refresh my memory?
Is there an option to have switches added and soldered?
Basically a just add caps thing?
What was the estimated ship date for the board? If it's during spring break I might be able to do it
Post by: E3E on Thu, 19 January 2017, 18:17:54
So if you lust to have your Mira assembled, do feel free to hit me up. :)
Post by: limitz on Thu, 19 January 2017, 19:48:34
Post by: hanoipho on Thu, 19 January 2017, 19:55:29
Is this grey or silver? Thank you!
I think that's actually silver.
I think it's grey. Can anyone confirm?
[attachimg=1]
Post by: breusch91 on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:06:30
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Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:39:06
Is this grey or silver? Thank you!I think that's actually silver.
I think it's grey. Can anyone confirm?
[attachimg=1]
That is the silver. Grey hasn't been made yet iirc.
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:44:22
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 19 January 2017, 20:52:26
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 January 2017, 21:05:12
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 January 2017, 21:07:21
Post by: riotonthebay on Thu, 19 January 2017, 21:15:26
If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
Check the big bold text at the top of the OP :P
http://imgur.com/a/JYOuh
Post by: Photoelectric on Thu, 19 January 2017, 21:25:08
If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
Check the big bold text at the top of the OP :P
http://imgur.com/a/JYOuh
I've changed the poll title to indicate that there are sample pictures to look at in the OP.
Post by: FrostyToast on Thu, 19 January 2017, 23:34:26
I imagined that's what the blue gray would have been and it indeed does look very nice. I would be happy to have either blue gray or dark blue.
Post by: Heliosphere on Fri, 20 January 2017, 01:03:06
Honestly I had all intentions of going grey, but now that blue-grey is calling me.
Same here. My vote is for blue-gray. It's a nice subdued color.
Post by: Rayoui on Fri, 20 January 2017, 01:29:41
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 20 January 2017, 10:27:00
Thanks for updating the OP Photoelectric, I didn't know the colors samples had been updated with labels either!
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 20 January 2017, 10:30:55
Does make me wonder how many voted without looking at the pictures at all...
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 20 January 2017, 11:07:22
Last time I saw possible colors was when ninjadoc posted this galler: https://imgur.com/a/pOa6F
I did make sure to check the one with labels before voting though! Blue-grey always had my heart.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 20 January 2017, 14:24:44
Do you know if it was hard-anodized? Seems on the dark side for silver (clear). I think those photos were made outdoors.
They were made outdoors.
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 20 January 2017, 14:27:27
If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
The issue with the blue-grey is the pictures I've seen it looks anywhere from purple to battle ship grey. One is on its way to me now but it has been stuck in Hong Kong all week and just left today. I will try to get some good pictures then.
Personally I like the dark blue better but blue-grey is winning! :(
Post by: ninjadoc on Fri, 20 January 2017, 14:29:23
Is this grey or silver? Thank you!
I never could figure that out.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Fri, 20 January 2017, 14:39:29
If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
The issue with the blue-grey is the pictures I've seen it looks anywhere from purple to battle ship grey. One is on its way to me now but it has been stuck in Hong Kong all week and just left today. I will try to get some good pictures then.
Personally I like the dark blue better but blue-grey is winning! :(
same. i voted for dark blue. i guess if grey-blue wins, i will probably go with black or dark grey :/
Post by: boo on Fri, 20 January 2017, 16:13:30
Ninja, with all the work you are doing, I think at the very least you deserve to put a color of your choice.If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
The issue with the blue-grey is the pictures I've seen it looks anywhere from purple to battle ship grey. One is on its way to me now but it has been stuck in Hong Kong all week and just left today. I will try to get some good pictures then.
Personally I like the dark blue better but blue-grey is winning! :(
I only say this because I voted for dark blue also :) :thumb:
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Post by: -musubi on Fri, 20 January 2017, 17:29:17
Ninja, with all the work you are doing, I think at the very least you deserve to put a color of your choice.If blue-gray wins, I'll probably want to see a mockup or sample. Blue gray can mean a wide variety of things.
The issue with the blue-grey is the pictures I've seen it looks anywhere from purple to battle ship grey. One is on its way to me now but it has been stuck in Hong Kong all week and just left today. I will try to get some good pictures then.
Personally I like the dark blue better but blue-grey is winning! :(
I only say this because I voted for dark blue also :) :thumb:
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I also went to dark blue :P I think there's enough blue-greys out there with all the other GBs that it isn't as unique anymore.
Post by: Photoelectric on Fri, 20 January 2017, 17:35:12
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Fri, 20 January 2017, 20:26:25
Aren't all those other buys basically fairly light gray with a blue tint? This blue gray looks quite different, like slightly faded medium blue.
Hmm, I think a lot of them are similar enough (though this may be slightly different). I kind of feel it's caught in between being neutral and being blue, which is an odd space to occupy when I'd like to match with a blue keyset. Thus the dark blue vote. Though if it was meant to stand alone it is not a bad color.
Post by: rustywok on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:30:08
I was torn between dark blue and blue grey but finally picked dark blue. The pale blue-grey looks like it could easily tilt toward magenta. When I order I'll probably go with straight grey or silver, possibly black.
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 20 January 2017, 21:48:59
I'm in the market for a TKL so this buy couldn't have gone active at a better time. I'm in for a board.
I was torn between dark blue and blue grey but finally picked dark blue. The pale blue-grey looks like it could easily tilt toward magenta. When I order I'll probably go with straight grey or silver, possibly black.
magenta?? you gotta get your eyes checked bro
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 20 January 2017, 22:50:13
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 20 January 2017, 23:35:28
Could we possibly get an updated gdoc of the first 57 to make sure everything is correct?
At this point in time I'm not sure how to display the numbers.
Certain people failed to put down their usernames on the initial form and the only way I have of tracking said people is via email. Of course, I cannot post that kind of information publicly.
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 20 January 2017, 23:36:38
Maybe block out half of their email with ****'s?Could we possibly get an updated gdoc of the first 57 to make sure everything is correct?
At this point in time I'm not sure how to display the numbers.
Certain people failed to put down their usernames on the initial form and the only way I have of tracking said people is via email. Of course, I cannot post that kind of information publicly.
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Post by: ihalatch on Fri, 20 January 2017, 23:44:25
Post by: FrostyToast on Fri, 20 January 2017, 23:45:36
Maybe block out half of their email with ****'s?Could we possibly get an updated gdoc of the first 57 to make sure everything is correct?
At this point in time I'm not sure how to display the numbers.
Certain people failed to put down their usernames on the initial form and the only way I have of tracking said people is via email. Of course, I cannot post that kind of information publicly.
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Fortunately, the first 57 actually do know how to use forms. I won't name names, mostly because I don't actually have names to name, but some people thought their username was "geekhack".
Alas, here is the list:
(http://i.imgur.com/io1ZgpL.png)
Post by: aznairjordan on Fri, 20 January 2017, 23:46:46
Thanks frosty!Maybe block out half of their email with ****'s?Could we possibly get an updated gdoc of the first 57 to make sure everything is correct?
At this point in time I'm not sure how to display the numbers.
Certain people failed to put down their usernames on the initial form and the only way I have of tracking said people is via email. Of course, I cannot post that kind of information publicly.
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Fortunately, the first 57 actually do know how to use forms. I won't name names, mostly because I don't actually have names to name, but some people thought their username was "geekhack".
Alas, here is the list:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/io1ZgpL.png)
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Post by: logomachy on Sat, 21 January 2017, 00:27:53
Post by: breusch91 on Sat, 21 January 2017, 00:48:44
Post by: breusch91 on Sat, 21 January 2017, 00:51:39
Post by: E3E on Sat, 21 January 2017, 01:34:19
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sat, 21 January 2017, 01:51:05
Post by: oatmicro on Sat, 21 January 2017, 07:17:52
Post by: rabbitfire on Sat, 21 January 2017, 10:31:41
So... how about Grey? it's still Light Grey or would become Dark Grey ?
I have the same question. Grey vs Silver confuses me.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 21 January 2017, 14:18:25
Where is the order form? Please, provide a link?
It hasn't started yet. Plan iis next Saturday. Open to ALL for 2 weeks
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 21 January 2017, 14:23:38
So... how about Grey? it's still Light Grey or would become Dark Grey ?
I have the same question. Grey vs Silver confuses me.
Grey is a color like this :
(http://i.imgur.com/tBpDOWNm.jpg)
Silver is essentially clear anodizing over a machined and finished bare aluminum keyboard
(http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg)
That was taken outside.
Post by: oatmicro on Sat, 21 January 2017, 17:11:19
Oh, it's obvious now. Thank you :thumb:
Post by: asgeirtj on Sat, 21 January 2017, 19:00:20
Post by: E3E on Sat, 21 January 2017, 19:46:10
I notice in the newest prototype there is some kind og plastic or something in the middle of the board, is it possible to omit this if one doesnt care about leds?
It's built into the design and integral
Post by: hanoipho on Sun, 22 January 2017, 00:37:25
So... how about Grey? it's still Light Grey or would become Dark Grey ?
I have the same question. Grey vs Silver confuses me.
Grey is a color like this :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tBpDOWNm.jpg)
Silver is essentially clear anodizing over a machined and finished bare aluminum keyboard
(http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg)
That was taken outside.
I like this color. I think it's something between grey and silver. Have no idea what I should put in order form!
[attachimg=1]
Post by: Heliosphere on Sun, 22 January 2017, 01:45:27
Gray looks pretty nice. What material is the insert in that photo?So... how about Grey? it's still Light Grey or would become Dark Grey ?
I have the same question. Grey vs Silver confuses me.
Grey is a color like this :Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tBpDOWNm.jpg)
Silver is essentially clear anodizing over a machined and finished bare aluminum keyboard
(http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/XPDQOcrm.jpg)
That was taken outside.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sun, 22 January 2017, 07:50:09
(http://i.imgur.com/5BaLgaIl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/5BaLgaIl.jpg)
As you can see there are "tabs" where the screws go through that will be flush with the plate/diffuser. I will ask what the diffuser is made of and get back to you on that. I should have the prototypes tomorrow.
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Sun, 22 January 2017, 20:34:35
Post by: Photoelectric on Sun, 22 January 2017, 21:28:26
Post by: Mr_BeastQuake on Sun, 22 January 2017, 22:56:46
So 45 people voted for a shade of pink... Something tells me there won't be 45 people ordering pink Mira parts ;) (unless somehow some were voting for both shades, which would make no sense!)
Prior to the pole going up, my impression was to vote for the color you plan on ordering. However, the current pole description seems like the voter should vote for both a shade of pink and blue. I personally didn't because I knew what was intended but maybe that is skewing a bit.
Post by: E3E on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:01:29
I voted blue-grey but I'd be happy with dark blue too... the more I look at them, the more I can't decide :confused:
Blue grey is an intriguing color, more off-beat and different, but I ultimately find dark blue to seem more appealing.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:26:24
Post by: loud_asian on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:29:19
Post by: Sylanthra on Sun, 22 January 2017, 23:54:49
Any chance of releasing the file for the acrylic spacer? I'm thinking about getting a stainless steel one made
That sounds like a great look. Maybe we can have a stainless steel spacer as an add on?
Post by: ihalatch on Mon, 23 January 2017, 01:05:21
Post by: nsmechkb on Mon, 23 January 2017, 07:19:31
This one will be my first custom board. Can't wait, dark blue looks fantastic. What's wrong with me??? I can't sleep, I'm counting the days till this GB round. Were there any other people like me here when they started getting in into this keyboard/keycaps madness???
You aren't alone. I don't know what it is about keyboards. There is an enormous variety of tactile, visual, and auditory combinations. They are tools of craft that nearly anyone, anywhere can work with. They endure; longer than computers, apartments, jobs--and so on. There are budget models, high-end stock, custom builds, and the products of highly exclusive group buys that will never happen again.
I don't know what it is, but it's a mental game to play during times of boredom; something to dwell on when you should be doing something else.
Anyway. Hope you find what you're looking for.
Best of luck!
Post by: diqkiq on Tue, 24 January 2017, 00:03:09
Just my opinion but I feel this way because I know from experience that creating something takes a lot more effort than just coming up with a cool idea.
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Tue, 24 January 2017, 00:05:01
Post by: pr0ximity on Tue, 24 January 2017, 10:42:50
This one will be my first custom board. Can't wait, dark blue looks fantastic. What's wrong with me??? I can't sleep, I'm counting the days till this GB round. Were there any other people like me here when they started getting in into this keyboard/keycaps madness???
Yup. I'm only just now coming around to going with the flow and passing on group buys.
The worst was the first Clackvent. My life completely changed for ~1 month.
Post by: ninjadoc on Tue, 24 January 2017, 10:54:29
I was revisiting the original pics and I came across the weight with "Dr. Hubble" prominently displayed at the top. While I would definitely want to give credit to the designer, he is not the one bringing us this board. If it is possible to change the plate at this point, with being so close to the GB, perhaps it should first read "Brought to Life By: Ninjadoc" and then give credit to the designer.
Just my opinion but I feel this way because I know from experience that creating something takes a lot more effort than just coming up with a cool idea.
It is going to blank except for the numbered ones which will be simply number.
Yes he came up with the basic design - there are probably 4 elements left from his design - the two suns, the name, the weight as two suns which was considered for removal, and the side curve. The most significant is the side curve with the front "foot". and the binary suns.
I actually looked at changing but the logo and the curve - I know the curve has been altered due to the thinness of the metal in one area that would not tolerate anodizing
(http://i.imgur.com/sLpRq4ml.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/sLpRq4ml.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ARerR0Ll.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/ARerR0Ll.jpg)
Also the back was changed due to machining cost
(http://i.imgur.com/bXZMHF4l.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/bXZMHF4l.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/YBJkXhll.jpg)
Plate mounting was copied directly from the 360C which is "neat" but difficult to reproduce and was not liked by the machinist to CNC
(http://i.imgur.com/TxDeuWUl.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Yfp4Vpdl.jpg) (http://i.imgur.com/Yfp4Vpdl.jpg)
Credit is due to Hubble with his initial concept, but there have been multiple revisions by both Yuk Tsi and by Asilan. Realistically one could make the case for putting all three names on so I'm leaving all off.
Post by: ika on Tue, 24 January 2017, 11:41:39
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Tue, 24 January 2017, 17:36:57
Not sure if this has been asked but will the final product support switch top removal in the plate?I believe the OP has been kept up to date thanks to Photoelectric, but I'd be happy to be wrong about this!
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I expect to be able to offer stainless steel and aluminum plates and the aluminum plates can be anodized. The plates do not allow switch top removal, that may change depending on time available to make that change.
Post by: rabbitfire on Tue, 24 January 2017, 23:09:02
Post by: fi0x on Wed, 25 January 2017, 00:47:18
I don't believe there's any assembly service offered at this time (please correct me if I'm wrong). You'd need to arrange it with someone if you don't want to solder in switches yourself.
If I remember correctly, the first 57 had the option of assembly service provided as one of the perks. Is that still a thing or not anymore?
Along hand with that question, will Zealios switches also be part of the group buy as original hinted at, or is that also not a thing anymore?
Sorry for the late question.
Thanks for bringing Mira to life!
Post by: E3E on Wed, 25 January 2017, 01:21:12
I'm familiar with Leeku's PCBs and Jig On as well as switch and board-wide tuning services as well as more niche requests such as hot swap modding (holtite sockets, Alps included). I'm always willing to tackle a hurdle to the best of my abilities. :)
I'm also able to make custom cables, but I'm not sure if I'll offer services for that unless you're really, really bent on it. There's plenty of lovely cable makers out there.
So yeah, I'm always willing to help. Basic assembly would be cheap, but switch tuning takes quite a while; the more fine tuning you ask for, of course the more time will be needed for such things.
Post by: flopix on Wed, 25 January 2017, 02:42:14
Post by: kawasaki161 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 05:06:14
I certainly wouldn't mind assembling a few boards for people in the EU that might be intimidated by it but really want one of these boards. The only thing is that I'm rather new to the community and only did assembly for close friends until now. I built 10-ish boards over the last 3/4 year, ranging from switch-swaps in OEM boards over to Holtites in a Duck Black Bird, I recently assembled a TX87, which uses a PCB made by Leeku and am now pretty familiar with the software and all.
I'd rather not offer any switch tuning though, because switch tuning is more of user preference, so you'd get something that is made to my liking, not yours (it also takes forever to lube a whole set of switches).
I'd offer assembly for a really good price, mainly because I enjoy building boards, but also because I don't have any rep for my services yet. PM me for further info and all.
Post by: eksuen on Wed, 25 January 2017, 13:28:57
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:47:33
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
Post by: adamski07 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 20:52:21
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
I want that "Night Sky Blue" color please.... :eek:
Post by: ihalatch on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:06:46
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
I want that "Night Sky Blue" color please.... :eek:
Me too mate, it's awesome.
Post by: pr0ximity on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:06:56
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
ffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff that lunar grey looks amazing. Why must you do this to me.
Post by: loud_asian on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:15:16
that's my ****
Post by: Unforgivable on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:20:00
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
The USB area seems very different for both the grey and blue board. Are these just samples or are they the final prototype? :(
I love the boxes!
Post by: logomachy on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:34:33
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
The USB area seems very different for both the grey and blue board. Are these just samples or are they the final prototype? :(
I love the boxes!
The blue one also has the MIRA SE logo and the diffuser cutouts which makes it look like the intended final design, but perhaps there is another version for those that dislike the diffuser (hope) ?
Post by: nsmechkb on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:34:58
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
The USB area seems very different for both the grey and blue board. Are these just samples or are they the final prototype? :(
I love the boxes!
I'm guessing blue is closer to final, if not at the final stage. The grey one doesn't even have the diffuser. Just guessing.
Post by: Photoelectric on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:40:15
Post by: alienman82 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 21:48:47
Post by: roostrc0gburn on Wed, 25 January 2017, 22:28:49
Post by: -musubi on Wed, 25 January 2017, 22:54:55
Post by: shinz0 on Wed, 25 January 2017, 23:23:27
Post by: techmattr on Thu, 26 January 2017, 02:05:58
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
:eek: These look amazing.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 26 January 2017, 02:32:46
Post by: Data on Thu, 26 January 2017, 06:29:33
That box alone is seriously impressive? Where does one go to have such nice packaging made anyway? Is this the first custom board to have branded packaging like that?
All of RAMA's stuff has custom packaging and he really goes overboard with it (the guy loves packaging). But that's the only other example I can think of.
Post by: Unforgivable on Thu, 26 January 2017, 09:21:28
I think these are prototypes from different stages of the design. The blue one is what seems to be the relatively final configuration, though there might be some minor tweaks before production. I like the sharper curves of the blue one more--the gray one is super rounded along the outer corners. And the final prototype rear side is nicer.
That blue-grey is simply fantastic. And again, the box for it is amazing as well. It's nice knowing I can store it away with some style...if it's ever stored away! :))
I know it's pretty late in the process, but any change of holding a future group buy for an aluminum or steel middle layer?
Post by: Slash Emperor on Thu, 26 January 2017, 10:44:18
That box alone is seriously impressive? Where does one go to have such nice packaging made anyway? Is this the first custom board to have branded packaging like that?
All of RAMA's stuff has custom packaging and he really goes overboard with it (the guy loves packaging). But that's the only other example I can think of.
Unfortunately, I wish that was the case with my M4-A pads. I ordered two of them and they were sent in a mailer envelope (can't recall if it was a bubble mailer or not), and the anodization on both of them seemed to have gotten dinged/scratched in transit. I was a sad camper. Hoping that the M10-A is more securely packaged.
Excited to see the custom packaging for this!
Post by: ninjadoc on Thu, 26 January 2017, 12:45:44
Prototype MIRA photos from ninjadoc:
http://imgur.com/a/AAydJ
(keep in mind that these were taken indoors in artificial light, so they are not perfectly accurate).
The USB area seems very different for both the grey and blue board. Are these just samples or are they the final prototype? :(
I love the boxes!
The grey one is from the Chinese group buy. I had to have one so I would have one of most of the prototypes. I have no idea what happpened to the first prototype or to the one YukTsi sold. The one YukTsi sold is the only one I know of with that weight in the bottom.
Post by: E3E on Thu, 26 January 2017, 22:23:18
The grey one is from the Chinese group buy. I had to have one so I would have one of most of the prototypes. I have no idea what happpened to the first prototype or to the one YukTsi sold. The one YukTsi sold is the only one I know of with that weight in the bottom.
Which one was the one Yuktsi sold? Was it the one with the long brass weight inside of it and the revised Mira logo without the sun system (O' Mira)?
Post by: limitz on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:01:06
That box alone is seriously impressive? Where does one go to have such nice packaging made anyway? Is this the first custom board to have branded packaging like that?
All of RAMA's stuff has custom packaging and he really goes overboard with it (the guy loves packaging). But that's the only other example I can think of.
Matrix boards also have branded packaging
The diffuser looks to be not continuous around the front and back, that is pretty sick...
This way the screws are hidden :)
I feel like it looks a bit cleaner
Post by: loud_asian on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:22:24
Post by: E3E on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:24:58
Does anyone remember what the angle is gonna be? I forgot and am too lazy to search for it
I think I remember it being 9 or 10 degrees?
Post by: nsmechkb on Fri, 27 January 2017, 11:58:20
The diffuser looks to be not continuous around the front and back, that is pretty sick...
This way the screws are hidden :)
I feel like it looks a bit cleaner
Ohhhh! That explains it! I agree; it does look cleaner. Great idea!
Post by: MythicalWagyu on Fri, 27 January 2017, 14:45:02
Does anyone remember what the angle is gonna be? I forgot and am too lazy to search for it
I think I remember it being 9 or 10 degrees?
Original proposal from DrHubble was 9°, not sure if that's been changed along the way.
Mira currently features:
The custom b.Mira PCB from Winkeyless featuring his standard reprogramability functions and LED support, only controller parts will be pre-soldered (see below for more info)
An engraved stainless Steel weight, slotted in the back of the case
A full aluminum case
9 degree incline
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 28 January 2017, 10:11:34
The grey one is from the Chinese group buy. I had to have one so I would have one of most of the prototypes. I have no idea what happpened to the first prototype or to the one YukTsi sold. The one YukTsi sold is the only one I know of with that weight in the bottom.
Which one was the one Yuktsi sold? Was it the one with the long brass weight inside of it and the revised Mira logo without the sun system (O' Mira)?
yes it was.
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 28 January 2017, 10:36:07
I have been ill this week and have been unable to spend prolonged time at the computer.
Colors will be interstellar black,silver, lunar grey, cosmic pink, night sky blue
Final price will run from $395 - $425. Apparently LZ can get stainless steel machined for less than I can.
The list by Frosty will be numbered and will get free gold stabilizers from Zeal.
I can source stabilizers from Zeal or individuals can purchase their own. I may offer the gold stabilizers kits but I don't believe it is worth the double shipping and fees from Zeal to me and then from me to you for the regular stabilizer kits. I will provide links to his website with the mods permission for purchase of both.
Post by: adamski07 on Sat, 28 January 2017, 10:58:32
Group buy will go off later today if I can get the order form completed - the delay is me, not manufacturing.
I have been ill this week and have been unable to spend prolonged time at the computer.
Colors will be interstellar black,silver, lunar grey, cosmic pink, night sky blue
Final price will run from $395 - $425. Apparently LZ can get stainless steel machined for less than I can.
The list by Frosty will be numbered and will get free gold stabilizers from Zeal.
I can source stabilizers from Zeal or individuals can purchase their own. I may offer the gold stabilizers kits but I don't believe it is worth the double shipping and fees from Zeal to me and then from me to you for the regular stabilizer kits. I will provide links to his website with the mods permission for purchase of both.
My wallet is ready! :thumb: Def night sky blue color for my Mira. :)
Post by: Slash Emperor on Sat, 28 January 2017, 11:37:04
Group buy will go off later today if I can get the order form completed - the delay is me, not manufacturing.
I have been ill this week and have been unable to spend prolonged time at the computer.
Colors will be interstellar black,silver, lunar grey, cosmic pink, night sky blue
Final price will run from $395 - $425. Apparently LZ can get stainless steel machined for less than I can.
The list by Frosty will be numbered and will get free gold stabilizers from Zeal.
I can source stabilizers from Zeal or individuals can purchase their own. I may offer the gold stabilizers kits but I don't believe it is worth the double shipping and fees from Zeal to me and then from me to you for the regular stabilizer kits. I will provide links to his website with the mods permission for purchase of both.
Well, time to get my color pick finalized. Hope the mods can get the GB approved as soon as they can!
Post by: theanyday on Sat, 28 January 2017, 12:09:48
Post by: limitz on Sat, 28 January 2017, 12:48:20
Does anyone remember what the angle is gonna be? I forgot and am too lazy to search for it
The angle is 8 degrees.
(http://i.imgur.com/b1N0Nv1.png)
Post by: -musubi on Sat, 28 January 2017, 12:49:38
Post by: Unforgivable on Sat, 28 January 2017, 19:26:26
Group buy will go off later today if I can get the order form completed - the delay is me, not manufacturing.
I have been ill this week and have been unable to spend prolonged time at the computer.
Colors will be interstellar black,silver, lunar grey, cosmic pink, night sky blue
Final price will run from $395 - $425. Apparently LZ can get stainless steel machined for less than I can.
The list by Frosty will be numbered and will get free gold stabilizers from Zeal.
I can source stabilizers from Zeal or individuals can purchase their own. I may offer the gold stabilizers kits but I don't believe it is worth the double shipping and fees from Zeal to me and then from me to you for the regular stabilizer kits. I will provide links to his website with the mods permission for purchase of both.
Night sky blue is Blue-Grey, correct?
Ugh, now to figure out if I should get Winkey or Winkeyless... :'(
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 January 2017, 19:34:10
Post by: ninjadoc on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:10:10
Post by: loud_asian on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:10:55
GB thread is awaiting mod approval
!
Post by: limitz on Sat, 28 January 2017, 21:33:02
GB thread is awaiting mod approval
http://i.imgur.com/7drHiqr.mp4
Post by: Pemdas on Sat, 28 January 2017, 22:16:17
GB thread is awaiting mod approval
Wow we have reached the GB phase!! Huge thanks Ninjadoc!! Seriously thanks so much for all the work/time you put in to make this a reality for us. I was/am really excited for this board :thumb:
Choosing a color is probably gonna take me a week of deliberation....
Post by: alienman82 on Sat, 28 January 2017, 22:17:55
GB thread is awaiting mod approval
Wow we have reached the GB phase!! Huge thanks Ninjadoc!! Seriously thanks so much for all the work/time you put in to make this a reality for us. I was/am really excited for this board :thumb:
Choosing a color is probably gonna take me a week of deliberation....
(http://i.imgur.com/c7NJRa2.gif)
Post by: theanyday on Sat, 28 January 2017, 22:31:21
Post by: Photoelectric on Sat, 28 January 2017, 22:53:36
Post by: ihalatch on Sat, 28 January 2017, 23:00:09
IT'S ALIVE!!! :thumb:
Link? Where is the order form?
Post by: E3E on Sat, 28 January 2017, 23:03:08
IT'S ALIVE!!! :thumb:
Link? Where is the order form?
Thread: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87310.0;topicseen
Order Form: https://goo.gl/forms/ILkpuJnQi16T97e02
Post by: zzyjayfree on Sat, 28 January 2017, 23:06:08
GB OPEN: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87310.msg2350738#new
Post by: mechengkeys on Mon, 27 February 2017, 11:16:51
Post by: iamtootallforthis on Mon, 27 February 2017, 11:17:44
Is this group buy still open and if so, how can you purchase the Hubble Mira?
The group buy is closed and the link to the group buy was right above your post. :blank:
GB OPEN https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87310.msg2350738#new
Post by: zzyjayfree on Mon, 27 February 2017, 11:20:38
Is this group buy still open and if so, how can you purchase the Hubble Mira?
The group buy is closed and the link to the group buy was right above your post. :blank:GB OPEN https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=87310.msg2350738#new
Ooops, status updated now
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Post by: Photoelectric on Mon, 27 February 2017, 11:28:18