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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1600 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 05:09:28 »
I'm fine with a cheaper board too. I can't justify 650, no matter how sexy it is. 400 is doable. I'd love it even more if one could get a TKL pcb and drop it in instead (K-Type comes to mind)...

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1601 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:23:10 »
I too am fine with outsourcing the production, however I'm not one of the original #'d orderers so it may not be as important to me as it is to them?
      
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1602 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:27:44 »
Well if we want it outsourced we'll be better off getting something else that is easily available in the market
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB



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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1603 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:32:19 »
Well if we want it outsourced we'll be better off getting something else that is easily available in the market
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB

I thought this GB was supported because the custom board looked nice?

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1604 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:37:17 »
I could check prices with my local shop - it's cheaper for the case I designed to make it in the UK rather than the US.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1605 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:38:28 »
Well if we want it outsourced we'll be better off getting something else that is easily available in the market
from what I know, the original thought of this GB is to get something which is fully made in the US
and I don't know about anyone else, but it's the top reason why I support this GB

I thought this GB was supported because the custom board looked nice?

Well it is
I supported it for the look and the spirit of it where it's gonna be manufactured
since after all these years we're only limited with Korean made or Chinese made, not that they're bad or anything
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1606 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:44:16 »
wait what didn't hubble say he was like a phd or something....
Right? I thought he mentioned he was getting his PhD. As in he was already in school for it.

Giving himself the title PhD before he's earned it seems a tad bit pretentious.
But I'm going off the topic.

Hubble has never claimed to be an actual PhD.  I can't find a quote, but he has explained that he simply has a fascination with science and the stars, hence Hubble, Mira, etc.


also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

The pre order is to help pay for the prototype so that everyone is confident they know what they're paying for!

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1607 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:50:10 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1608 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:53:08 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers    :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board

It went to funding the proto as well as toward the board when it was ready.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1609 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:53:20 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorry

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1610 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:55:49 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorry

damn kids

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1611 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:56:11 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorry

Kids these days.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1612 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:56:42 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board

Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well.  That $40 should be deducted from your final bill.  What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort.  At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense.  It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent.  I misunderstood the root of your question.  :P

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1613 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 07:58:22 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board

Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well.  That $40 should be deducted from your final bill.  What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort.  At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense.  It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent.  I misunderstood the root of your question.  :P

Ah okay no worries

Yeah I misread it somewhere that I had just personally bankrolled hubble's unicorn keyboard and that was it

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1614 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:01:21 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1615 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:01:45 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board

Oh no, that's how I interpreted it as well.  That $40 should be deducted from your final bill.  What I was saying was that the funds have already been spent on the prototype, so no longer exist anymore (presumably - who knows if there was extra money) if you were looking for a refund or something of that sort.  At this point, pre-orders have purchased the prototype and regular buyers will back-subsidize the pre-order purchases, if that makes sense.  It's a bit semantic, but that wasn't my intent.  I misunderstood the root of your question.  :P

Ah okay no worries

Yeah I misread it somewhere that I had just personally bankrolled hubble's unicorn keyboard and that was it

There's no saying that's not what happened.  :D

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1616 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:34:27 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1617 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:58:09 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.
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« Reply #1618 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 08:59:37 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.

great advertise, will join! :D

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1619 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:03:52 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.

great advertise, will join! :D

I will throw in a $50 up-front fee to help you fund a prototype for yourself.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1620 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:32:50 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

You should start a GB, id totally buy whatever the fudge you might sell.
You should buy the GEEK HACK keycaps I'm selling, then. demik used to do them for a while, back a few years ago. But I just recently decided to pick up that torch he dropped.

great advertise, will join! :D

I will throw in a $50 up-front fee to help you fund a prototype for yourself.

not sure if plastic is my thang :) but i would try selling some alps space stabwires  eventually, bought some stuff to bend some stabs! id take some donations any day :)

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1621 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 09:46:07 »
Need to start asking for ages and 5 year plans before starting group buys. The number of "something came up" bull**** excuses is getting ridiculous.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1622 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 14:09:38 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1623 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 14:10:15 »
proof that they won't **** it up

If only it were so simple.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1624 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:03:50 »
Personally I don't think the whole 'Made in Murrica' aspect matters at all, I bought in because I wanted a great looking board. It would have been cool to see a nice custom board made outside of the Asian keyboard industrial complex but I really hate to see this on hold while the organisers stubbornly trudge towards an impossible goal.

Those moq's listed above are pretty damn steep but not entirely unexpected or unreasonable and when you factor in shipping that much weight around this does not look like it will be coming in anywhere near the target. I was happy to come in for a board at $350-400 knowing full well it could blow out to around $500 all told. I will not be able to justify a $700USD board and I don't doubt there will be many others in my situation too.

IIRC the preorder spots didn't even sell out? I don't see this making an moq of 100 at $800 once you factor in US manufacturing and shipping. Especially for Australians and Canadians who definitely will be struggling to pay something like that when you consider it's $1000 native for us.

IMO go to an overseas manufacturer. There is a reason that people don't manufacture in the US, it's just too expensive.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1625 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:08:42 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1626 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:13:20 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1627 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:27:17 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1628 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:29:15 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1629 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 16:50:30 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1630 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:03:58 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.

Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1631 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:08:29 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.

Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.

I understand that, I always said that when group buys fail it's usually because the person bit off more than they can chew. However, I still think it's perfectly acceptable to have a keyboard kit as your first group buy if you limit the amounts like yuktsi has been doing. The only downside is that people will complain because they didn't get in on the buy but it's better than everybody getting screwed.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1632 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 17:50:50 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.

Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.

GH60 fiasco?

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1633 on: Tue, 19 January 2016, 19:36:46 »
I think age should be irrelevant but proof that they won't **** it up/past experience would be great.
How can you prove something that hasn't happened yet?
I think the point is that you should really start small with stuff like this and work up to the more ambitious peojects/gbs.

It's something that I don't entirely disagree with, but being a younger person myself (I'm 20 now, or so they tell me) I totally see why someone would want to start with a project like this.

Start selling plates before a $400+ full kb kit
Exactly.

What if you don't want to do that. I certainly would not want to waste my time selling plates rather than working on a project that I love and want to see come to fruition. If you don't think they're trustworthy then don't give them your damn money, it's as simple as that.

Since I have insider information here, I will just say this: it really is good to start your group buy life off with something small, just to get a feel for how it is. Then you will know if you want to scale up from there. You can see how long it has taken me to get the JD45 off the ground. That's because I don't want a repeat of the GH60 fiasco or others. I've been doing other group buys because I like doing them, and experience has taught me what to expect.

GH60 fiasco?
If you want to know more, I suggest you look at the gh60 thread in the group buys section. It's pretty darn bad...

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1634 on: Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:02:33 »
As of now it's more of Ninjadoc's guilt that keeps Mira alive.. Hubble took payments after the prototype was paid off that is not accounted for - seemingly everyone after the original 40 numbers - so that money is mia. As is, the board that will come out of here will be a result of ninjadoc's hard work.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1635 on: Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:15:17 »
As of now it's more of Ninjadoc's guilt that keeps Mira alive.. Hubble took payments after the prototype was paid off that is not accounted for - seemingly everyone after the original 40 numbers - so that money is mia. As is, the board that will come out of here will be a result of ninjadoc's hard work.

Maybe Hubble should auction off the prototype if the start date isn't announced in a reasonable time frame and refund accordingly

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1636 on: Wed, 20 January 2016, 21:16:12 »
also even though it sounds like production is a far cry at the moment I really hope that our respective $40s go towards the full cost of the board

Your $40 went to funding the prototype.

In order to produce a prototype for the Mira and secure a production run in the future we need to put money down with the CNC company we have chosen. Instead of asking for donations from a few people I think it would be better that we offer some benefits to everyone on GeekHack who chooses to help produce the Mira!

What it costs: $40 down towards the full purchase of the Mira

What you get in return:
  • You reserve your spot in the first 57 units that will include gold stabs
  • The opportunity to specify which number you would like engraved on your custom center weight (more on this below). Non-pre orders will receive their number in order of purchase, i.e. no say in the matter.
  • Priority for the limited number of boards that will be offered with full assembly
  • Pre-orders will ship first regardless of location and the total volume of the full production run
  • A thank you note from me in the mail with some custom stickers  :p  :))

Am I reading it wrong or did I always assume that paying the $40 up front went towards the purchase price?

I hate to say it but that wording seems pretty deliberate in meaning that $40 will be taken off the purchase price of the board
Don't be made a high schooler got you guys to pay for him to have a custom keyboard. :P #sorrynotsorry

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Also, never got stickers and all that jazz, but then again the #'s went terribly wrong as well.  :-X
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1637 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:11:11 »
As of now it's more of Ninjadoc's guilt that keeps Mira alive.. Hubble took payments after the prototype was paid off that is not accounted for - seemingly everyone after the original 40 numbers - so that money is mia. As is, the board that will come out of here will be a result of ninjadoc's hard work.

Help the Mira Group Buy ninjadoc, you're our only hope!

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1638 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:24:30 »
Well it's sad that this went to ****.


So hubble just dropped of the face of the planet or what?  :-\

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1639 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 01:39:15 »
Spamray said it best.  :))

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1640 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 09:32:08 »
Well it's sad that this went to ****.


So hubble just dropped of the face of the planet or what?  :-\

Haven't seen him on skype for quite a while
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1641 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 13:08:39 »
This is sad, really liked this project but he's MIA for now which is a total bummer.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1642 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:51:44 »
Really liked this project. Too bad it's coming to naught.

Keyboard community has been bumming me out lately.

1) Friend got scammed $600 in materials/assembly service from a user on GH (Sent 3 ergodoxes)
2) Spirit buy I was in scammed
3) This buy doesn't seem like it's going anywhere. Wasn't expecting much in the first place, but I still allowed myself to get my hopes up. I offered to put him in touch with a machining service I utilize for my own HW startup, but got no response.
4) Kin25 scammed on the TX1800

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1643 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:57:54 »
I don't know why you guys are posting replies as though this project is dead.
Guys, this is going to happen. Ninjadoc and I have discussed various details and we are quite close.
Unfortunately it's not as simple as pointing at a machining shop and going with it.

My word isn't as official as Ninjadoc's since he is talking to the machining shops and has the CAD files, but I can say that there are revisions that were made to the design which pushes this further back.
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.
Ninjadoc has all of the CAD files that we need and we have a solid option for a machining shop right now which we are investigating.

More updates will come with some better info. I just wanted to post something quick since people are making assumptions.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1644 on: Thu, 21 January 2016, 23:59:42 »
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.

Ah, I thought this made a big difference.

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1645 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:02:13 »
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.

Ah, I thought this made a big difference.

Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1646 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:05:09 »
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.

Ah, I thought this made a big difference.

Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.

Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?

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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1647 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:09:12 »
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.

Ah, I thought this made a big difference.

Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.

Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?

Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1648 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:11:14 »
Thank you for your hard work, frostytoast and ninjadoc.  I have no expertise in getting keyboard parts made, but hopefully you can get more GH support as the project moves along.  Maybe JD can offer some advice, *wink* :) 

I think one of the problems with getting the case parts made abroad would be lack of quality control checks between manufacturing steps on the part of group buy organizers.  Unless one of the organizers happens to live in the country of manufacture and is able to visit the shops and monitor progress.  Otherwise I personally don't see a problem with doing at least part of the manufacturing abroad.   I just remember that the US-made Skeldon case was Very expensive, and it was a simple wedge design, not as intricate as Mira.  Lower number of orders though, if I remember correctly, so that might have been why.
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Re: [IC] Hubble Mira Custom TKL (GROUP BUY STARTING SOON)
« Reply #1649 on: Fri, 22 January 2016, 00:12:24 »
Hubble being gone doesn't change the fact that this will happen.

Ah, I thought this made a big difference.

Nah, the most important thing he had would be the CAD files which Hubble has sent us.
The money is also important, but we will keep the costs down since we are looking to make zero profit from this.
Just keep our fingers crossed that whatever mistakes we make won't cost us an arm and a leg.

Just to clarify, he designed, prototyped and then gave the files for you to look at different shops?

Yup pretty much. We got the prototypes, got excited, got the notsoexciting quotes, and then had to back off from that shop.
Since Hubble got occupied with other things during that time span we pretty much got carte blanche to continue this project.
Really, the only thing hindering us aside from slow communication with shops is the fact that we can't modify the OP.

Can't edit it due to not having a CAD designer or that the file is unmoddable?

Sounds good though, my bad for taking him disappearing the wrong way. Thanks for your work.