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Offline watduzhkstand4

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« on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 00:35:29 »
so what's new in the DAS S other than the multimedia keys? I'm guessing it still uses cherry blue and now they have an option with the browns for the silent one? (or maybe another color switch?) they pretty much didn't do anything to it =/
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Offline watduzhkstand4

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« Reply #1 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 00:46:00 »
oh I see. So they corrected the mistakes they made on the previous models, changed they keys, and renamed it... hhhmmmmmmm. I would just stick with my Cherry Blue, brand loyalty to Filco :D
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Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #2 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 02:07:46 »
Quote from: watduzhkstand4;128982
so what's new in the DAS S other than the multimedia keys? ... they pretty much didn't do anything to it =/


Isn't it dual-mode (PS/2 & USB) via a passive adapter now? Giving true N-Key rollover by PS/2?
And they dropped the pseudo 12-key rollover in USB, which may have been the root of some problems.

I'd say those look like pretty big improvements. Especially to those of us who still have the old version! :lol:
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #3 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 03:44:19 »
Maybe they pulled a Lexmark and the 'silent' models use rubber domes :P
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Offline ds26gte

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« Reply #4 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 08:23:02 »
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Maybe they pulled a Lexmark and the 'silent' models use rubber domes :P

Their blog says that only 150 of the silents have been manufactured, as they are not sure they will sell.  Maybe they've been monitoring the geekhack keyswitch polls.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #5 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 08:24:02 »
The silent model uses Cherry browns.  I might pick one of the silent versions up if they got their controller issues fixed.  That, and I am saving up for a metal Filco.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #6 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 09:15:55 »
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So, who has bought the Das S?

1, 2, 3 not it.
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #7 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 09:33:59 »
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The silent model uses Cherry browns.  I might pick one of the silent versions up if they got their controller issues fixed.  That, and I am saving up for a metal Filco.


metal filco?
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #8 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 09:37:48 »
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metal filco?

Ah, yes. $300 of Filco lovin'.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #9 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:39:58 »
They're not shipping in volume to my house.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #10 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 10:41:42 »
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Shipping in volume.

I know Cherry blues are loud when you type on them, but shipping?
 
*rimshot*
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #11 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 11:26:27 »
I don't know how to think like a programmer.  I'm worse.  I'm a Data Analyst.  In comparison, though, I do have to know the "why" of what I'm doing in order for the data to make sense.  All the time I spent working our stores helps.  That, and having a BA in History.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #12 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 11:35:15 »
Nah, I'm on the other end of that spectrum. I find the problems that programmers create.  I build the occasional web app, but they're crude and most of them just pull data out of a DB and display it in a grid.
 
Our whole IT dept. hates me... until they have a problem.
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« Reply #13 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 12:32:48 »
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I thought for sure you were a programmer.  Programmers have a reputation for creating problems where none exists.

*rimshot*


That holds especially true of outsourced and Microsoft certified programmers.
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #14 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 12:48:55 »
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Ah, yes. $300 of Filco lovin'.


nice, looks like I could use it as a coffee table. :)
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #15 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 13:44:37 »
As soon as I sell another machine I will be all over the new Das (and hopefully not eBaying it shortly thereafter).
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #16 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:28:27 »
Why bother? Get a proper keyboard like the Filco. Probably cheaper too.

Considering the reputation that Das has around here, I wouldn't be surprised if no one got one.
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #17 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:36:33 »
Aesthetics. Import duty (or lack thereof).
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #18 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:36:55 »
no doubt. I would go with a filco over a das without thinking twice.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #19 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:38:14 »
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Aesthetics. Import duty (or lack thereof).

I didn't have to pay any tax when I got my Filco, just got Brian to mark it as a gift. Also, the Keyboard Co in the UK sells Filcos too.

Leaving aside subjective issues of aesthetics, you may be better off with a keyboard that actually works...
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #20 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:49:07 »
And if no-one gets one, how will we know that we aren't missing out? Also, a quick search shows me that I can buy a US layout Filco for 95GBP ex 15% VAT. A Das S therefore works out about the same price, but I can get a UK layout. I'll do my research on these two boards another time. In truth I really want a HHK Pro II but it's out of my price range, lest a good 2nd hand one were to show up.
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #21 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 14:58:30 »
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Leaving aside subjective issues of aesthetics, you may be better off with a keyboard that actually works...


No kidding. Who wants a heap o' dung? Still, the Das range is very 'sexy' and I shouldn't have a problem reselling it. If I have to take a small loss, so be it. Unfortunately the Keyboard Co. don't seem to stock UK layout Filcos :/

All told I'm very happy with my current keyboard... it's just hard to resist having an S & M. Teehee.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #22 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:03:48 »
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Leaving aside subjective issues of aesthetics, you may be better off with a keyboard that actually works...

While I want to see it in action before I make up my own mind, I wouldn't write off the Das S just yet.  It sounds like they swapped the previous, defective controller for the same one the NKRO Filcos use.  Also, the Das S is the same price as the NKRO 104-key Filcos (the Das Silent is $6 more, for some reason).  If they got everything fixed, they might have a real contender (again, aesthetics aside).
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #23 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:04:44 »
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Unfortunately the Keyboard Co. don't seem to stock UK layout Filcos :/

IIRC, they should in the near future.
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #24 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:13:17 »
I couldn't have put it better myself. And, er, didn't. I concur; if they've finally got the mix right then the Das S is, for me, a better choice than the Filco. Purely for reasons of aesthetics as all other things would then be ~equal.

We all triumph functionality and practicality over mere aesthetics, but isn't it nice to have both?¹

¹ Not that the Filcos are ugly by any stretch, but I do prefer the look of the Das boards.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #25 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:19:19 »
I, personally, like the bigger front lip on the Das (it helps space my hands away from the keyboard), the USB hub (cue ripster), the laser-etched keys, and volume controls. All of this for the same price as a Filco. The overall appearance I can take or leave, but I think I like the understated look of the Filcos more.
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Offline timw4mail

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« Reply #26 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:27:47 »
Bah, a Scorpius is cheaper.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #27 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:41:00 »
And a TVS cheaper still!
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #28 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 15:41:21 »
So many great boards out there. Gotta try 'em all!
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Offline alpslover

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« Reply #29 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 16:00:43 »
i have one on order, should be in my hands soon.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #30 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 16:02:35 »
Please report soon with all the juicy details, Guinea Pi... err... Alpslover.
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Offline ch_123

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« Reply #31 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 17:03:27 »
Pfft. All that shiny black... Needs more Industial Grey!



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So many great boards out there. Gotta try 'em all!

At least you are coming to grips with your fate - alot of people who sign up think they'll be happy with one...
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #32 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 20:00:56 »
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At least you are coming to grips with your faith - alot of people who sign up think they'll be happy with one...


I guess so. I think maybe a Das S and a HHK Pro II might just do me. If I get the Das, then I can open up and clean this M without having to plug in a horrible membrane board.. Yes.. now THAT is why I need to buy another one...
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« Reply #33 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 20:22:31 »
You do know that the Model M is a membrane board, right? =P
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #34 on: Thu, 29 October 2009, 20:37:00 »
Insane in the membraiiiinne!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SvV-upQVoFs
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Offline Rajagra

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« Reply #35 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 00:40:27 »
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i have one on order, should be in my hands soon.


Super, man. Be sure not to expose it to too much Geekhacktonite, it causes all kinds of problems.

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« Reply #36 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 07:08:01 »
The Model M wannabe?
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #37 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 12:39:04 »
I have a Das S review board coming from metadot in a couple of weeks. Eat your heart out. Full detailed review to follow.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #38 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 13:46:16 »
Strong, Welly.  No sex, though, keep it professional.
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Offline wellington1869

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« Reply #39 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 16:14:47 »
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Strong, Welly.  No sex, though, keep it professional.


lol, i'll keep it in my pants this time ;D I have to send it back when I'm done, after all.
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Offline hacfed

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« Reply #40 on: Fri, 30 October 2009, 18:44:22 »
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I think maybe a Das S and a HHK Pro II might just do me.


So, given alpslover's first impressions of the S (and I know they're not the final word), I have thrown caution to the wind and ordered a new board :D
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Offline panat000

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« Reply #41 on: Sun, 01 November 2009, 16:51:23 »
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Ah, yes. $300 of Filco lovin'.


I think it will be cold in winter:smow:
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Offline bigpook

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« Reply #42 on: Sun, 01 November 2009, 16:57:48 »
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I think it will be cold in winter:smow:


maybe, but it is still pretty *****in'.
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Offline itlnstln

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« Reply #43 on: Mon, 02 November 2009, 09:50:31 »
With all that hawtness (NSFW) on your desk, you should stay pretty warm.
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« Reply #44 on: Mon, 02 November 2009, 13:24:41 »
I have a dell laptop that is all shiny, just like the das. I clean it weekly but it doesn't matter, its shows EVERY fingerprint or smudge. A matte finish would be much better.
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« Reply #45 on: Mon, 02 November 2009, 18:30:38 »
Matte finish keys, if made with high-quality plastic, can stay that way over many hears of use.
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« Reply #46 on: Mon, 02 November 2009, 22:28:02 »
I received my Das S Silent last Thursday, and its a pretty decent keyboard.  Its gloss fits in well with most of my other electronics.

N-key rollover is lacking on PS/2, but 6-key on USB is decent enough for me.  The USB hub does its job, and the whole board feels solid.  My only issue with the board thus far is the FN key placement, but I plan to reroute the RWin key wiring to the FN key location, and vice versa.

All in all, the Das S gave me exactly what I was looking for (USB hub, brown switches, standard 104-key layout) for a price comparable to the other options I found.

EDIT:  Well after testing 'qwas', it would seem that 6-key rollover isn't working quite as one might expect.  Previously, I tested with 'asdfui', which does work.  I wonder what the limitations of the hardware are (though if it were working as advertised, there wouldn't be any).
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« Reply #47 on: Mon, 02 November 2009, 23:12:23 »
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N-key rollover is lacking on PS/2, but 6-key on USB is decent enough for me.


try hitting 'qwas', does it register all of the keys?  it fails on my das s.
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Offline wonkotron

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« Reply #48 on: Tue, 03 November 2009, 02:21:48 »
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No QWAS?  And just so we are all on the same test here are you guys trying this one?

http://random.xem.us/rollover.html

And does the key blocking happen ONLY if you mash them or when you press Q and hold, wait, hit W and hold, wait, hit A and hold, wait, hit S.

Das Nicht Gut.


Blocking happens when I mash, and when I press them sequentially.  It gets to 'qwa' but then 's' fails.
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« Reply #49 on: Tue, 03 November 2009, 02:43:27 »
wow that really sucks
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