Author Topic: OK, So who has the New Das S? (Read 13026 times)

alpslover · « **Reply #50 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 08:28:57 »

Quote from: wonkotron;130024

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EDIT: Well after testing 'qwas', it would seem that 6-key rollover isn't working quite as one might expect. Previously, I tested with 'asdfui', which does work. I wonder what the limitations of the hardware are (though if it were working as advertised, there wouldn't be any).

the keyboard seems to be 3-key rollover. i.e., every combination of 3 keys i've tried works, but not every combination of more than 3 keys.

metadot has acknowledged this issue, they claim it's a problem with the first batch of das s's.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #51 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 08:35:23 »

why is it always a "whoops, first batch!" type thing?

this is not like the first time you make a cake with a new recipe or something, hoping it comes out of the oven delicious.

the entire time, during the design and production processes, no one bothered to actually test the thing before they slapped NKRO on the box and sent it out the door?

timw4mail · « **Reply #52 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 08:44:16 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;130089

why is it always a "whoops, first batch!" type thing?

this is not like the first time you make a cake with a new recipe or something, hoping it comes out of the oven delicious.

the entire time, during the design and production processes, no one bothered to actually test the thing before they slapped NKRO on the box and sent it out the door?

I've noticed that this seems to happen with software...hardware, not usually.

itlnstln · « **Reply #53 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 08:45:27 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;130089

why is it always a "whoops, first batch!" type thing?

this is not like the first time you make a cake with a new recipe or something, hoping it comes out of the oven delicious.

the entire time, during the design and production processes, no one bothered to actually test the thing before they slapped NKRO on the box and sent it out the door?

I don't get this with either Costar or Metadot. There seems to be no process to randomly select a keyboard here and there and do a thorough test to ensure it works exactly as advertised. They have, IMO, an appealing product, but their QA leaves much to be desired.

At least they have a generous return policy. It sort of reminds me of the scene in Tommy Boy where Chris Farley says something like, "you can put **** in a box and put a guarantee on it, but all you have is a guaranteed piece of ****."

hacfed · « **Reply #54 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 10:59:53 »

Quote from: itlnstln;130094

It sort of reminds me of the scene in Tommy Boy where Chris Farley says something like, "you can put **** in a box and put a guarantee on it, but all you have is a guaranteed piece of ****."

itlnstln++

watduzhkstand4 · « **Reply #55 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:04:39 »

after I saw this, I just totally forgot about the DAS S.

itlnstln · « **Reply #56 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:09:20 »

I hope Elitekeyboards gets the white Filcos. I would buy one ASAP.

watduzhkstand4 · « **Reply #57 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:12:19 »

Quote from: itlnstln;130140

I hope Elitekeyboards gets the white Filcos. I would buy one ASAP.

Definitely =D
But according to kbdmania, the white one is only domestic =[

itlnstln · « **Reply #58 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:14:47 »

Boo...

Majestouch was able to get some Cherry blue Tenkeyless Filcos made, maybe he can get some white ones.

That said, I am still saving up for the metal Filco.

itlnstln · « **Reply #59 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:31:54 »

Excellent. It looks like they are learning from the Das III. In this case (moreso than the III), it seems that they have better leverage in pressing Costar for recalling/replacing defective product. The Das III had similar symptoms as the Filco Zero, IIRC, which, as we all know well enough by now, is not considered a defect. In this case, it is apparent that the controller has a serious defect(s), so a resolution should be easier to come by. In the end, though, this is another black eye for Metadot, but at least this time, they are taking swift, decisive action, and I applaud them for it.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #60 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:35:37 »

well then they must have fixed it, already! hooray!

itlnstln · « **Reply #61 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:35:57 »

Well, at least they are acknowledging the problem and replacing defective units. That's more than many folks got for the Das III.

watduzhkstand4 · « **Reply #62 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:39:17 »

I wonder how that metal Filco would feel like. It would be so cold to type on in the winter

itlnstln · « **Reply #63 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:39:49 »

Quote from: ripster;130150

Believe it or not I actually feel sorry for the Das Marketing folks right now. I've been through stuff like this before and it's no fun.

Same here. Especially since they just released a defective product that was to replace an already defective product. Instead of saving face, they ended up covering their collective face in egg.

itlnstln · « **Reply #64 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:41:01 »

Quote from: watduzhkstand4;130157

I wonder how that metal Filco would feel like. It would be so cold to type on in the winter

Just think of it as icing-down your RSI-inflammed wrists. It'll be nice.

alpslover · « **Reply #65 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:44:36 »

Quote from: itlnstln;130156

Well, at least they are acknowledging the problem and replacing defective units.

yes, but now the question becomes, which part of the fixed keyboards will be broken?

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #66 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 11:49:26 »

no, they are just going to update the box design to read "THE EIGHTH BEST KEYBOARD IN THE WORLD. PERIOD. WELL, BASICALLY." and it will have "3KRO 4 TEH GAMERZ!" in the corner.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #67 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 12:07:30 »

i still say it should not have even happened once. they make keyboards. they have people working for them. why not TEST the final product to make sure it meets the BASIC specifications you advertise?

it would be one thing if there was some freak combination... 1+7+Shift+Left+J+N... that ghosted or something. but this is not the case.

itlnstln · « **Reply #68 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 12:13:24 »

Quote from: ripster;130164

?? They did acknowledge the scanning problem with a CEO public apology and took back products with little hassle ( I REALLY don't expect most manufacturers to pay return shipping on returns - sorry but it is just not standard industry practice). Only later did they put a one year limit on the returns and that I'm sure is because some Accounting Dweeb told them that he didn't want to keep the liability on the books forever.

I mean - Stuff Happens. But twice?

Only after not doing anything for quite some time. It was some months after the problem was discovered that Metadot finally acknowledged it. Once they did, though, they really did go out of their way to help the customer.

I agree with you, too. After the first debacle, how do you let it happen again, especially on release?

itlnstln · « **Reply #69 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 12:15:45 »

I wonder if their software is any good.

itlnstln · « **Reply #70 on:** Tue, 03 November 2009, 12:41:41 »

I'm sure that the Das is a secondary objective for Metadot. I'm glad MIT likes their software, though, I just wish MIT would have designed their keyboard.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #71 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 02:38:34 »

what a sacrifice, even for the sake of knowledge.

lowpoly · « **Reply #72 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 09:40:43 »

Are those for real?

Hakhu · « **Reply #73 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 09:40:51 »

Quote from: ripster;130515

If you don't know German it says,

Quote:
Have you the beautiful Das Keyboard under your armpit?

Or something like that.

It actually says:

"Did you already hug your Das Keyboard today?"

Hakhu · « **Reply #74 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 09:41:38 »

Quote from: lowpoly;130518

Are those for real?

Why, do you wanna get one?

The first one is much better. Much geekier!

lowpoly · « **Reply #75 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 09:56:06 »

Quote from: Hakhu;130520

Why, do you wanna get one?

No, just thought they woudn't have taken a black stem switch for this. But it's a 1:1 copy from a Cherry brochure.

Rajagra · « **Reply #76 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 12:53:31 »

Quote from: Hakhu;130520

The first one is much better. Much geekier!

I need something to remind me of my DIP switch settings. :biggrin:

itlnstln · « **Reply #77 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 13:27:53 »

Excellent. Strong work, Metadot. That's how you handle a defective product.

itlnstln · « **Reply #78 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 14:28:01 »

Pretty much.

JBert · « **Reply #79 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 15:24:26 »

Seriously, hiding behind "Das haben wir nicht gewusst!" is outrageous.

Maybe its some software development practice where they skimp on QA by sending their stuff to their [strike]guinea pigs[/strike] customers first and then fixing things if they ever turn up.

lowpoly · « **Reply #80 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 15:31:20 »

Webwit's marketing critique aside, I think much of the blame goes to Costar who was a reputable OEM mfgr with Filco back then when Metadot chose them.

This last hickup could have been easily avoided at Costar as well. It's not like they didn't know the specs.

ch_123 · « **Reply #81 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 15:45:57 »

It would be very interesting to open up the new Das and see what sort of controller it has.

Xero · « **Reply #82 on:** Thu, 05 November 2009, 20:24:38 »

wow this is just crazy, they still haven't got a decent keyboard after all that hype. Blah, atleast they're trying to fix it, but I don't think I can even consider a das anymore...unless they make that front edge less sharp. Mid-december huh? Just around the same time for cherry g80-3000LSC's to hopefully start coming back in stock...

Ulysses31 · « **Reply #83 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 10:13:37 »

You typists clearly know nothing about keyboards >_>. Tom's Hardware endorses this product, so clearly this is the only keyboard to have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/das-keyboard-ultimate,9022.html

ch_123 · « **Reply #84 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 10:16:53 »

Let the trolling of their comments section commence!

ch_123 · « **Reply #85 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 10:20:49 »

Quote

Mechanical keys are a thing of the past. sorry tom's hardware guru guy but those wear out. My friend used to have one. Key thing is, used to. The keys wore out and quit working so he threw it out. I'm still using a very old NEC keyboard that I picked up when they still actually had computer shows and it works as good as new. Only thing is it is one of those spill resistant ones with the rubber pad thingies inside. I actually own two. They work pretty good. Then this USB keyboard sitting next to me is sufficient as well, cost me $7 from newegg or some site like that and made by rosewill. Not a very high end keyboard but it does the job and works great on my xbox360, pc, and laptop.

This is America's answer to Sandy55. =P

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #86 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 10:29:10 »

also, fun to read about the wonderful clicky feel of a razer lycosa.

hyperlinked · « **Reply #87 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 11:26:43 »

Quote from: ripster;131017

Sounds like a lotta work for a keyboard.

They forgot the very crucial step number 1: check to make sure that your keyboard is not a Das.

ch_123 · « **Reply #88 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 11:33:57 »

Also, if you're Microsoft Windows, you may need to play around with Config.sys to make sure there aren't any of those pesky IRQ conflicts - Windows 95 didn't deal with them too well.

JBert · « **Reply #89 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 11:56:48 »

Quote from: Ulysses31;131005

You typists clearly know nothing about keyboards >_>. Tom's Hardware endorses this product, so clearly this is the only keyboard to have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/das-keyboard-ultimate,9022.html

That article reads like a press release. Sure, they love it. But would it have been that much trouble to put it in their own words instead of rehearsing Metadot's incessant banter?
Seems Ars Technica's Das Keyboard article linked from TH was more decent and gave food for thought instead of more marketing talk.

Moving on... Any other reviewers out there with hardwarde troubles?

Rajagra · « **Reply #90 on:** Sun, 08 November 2009, 13:12:23 »

Quote from: Ulysses31;131005

You typists clearly know nothing about keyboards >_>. Tom's Hardware endorses this product, so clearly this is the only keyboard to have.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/das-keyboard-ultimate,9022.html

How can Tom's Hardware readers be so misinformed? Must have gone downhill since I last spent time there.

Loved the complaint about the blank keyboard not being backlit...:crazy:

exousia · « **Reply #91 on:** Mon, 09 November 2009, 17:36:27 »

Quote from: AndrewZorn;130470

what a sacrifice, even for the sake of knowledge.

Sacrificing **** to gain knowledge that it IS ****. Priceless.

BucklingSpring · « **Reply #92 on:** Tue, 10 November 2009, 17:56:46 »

Quote from: itlnstln;129073

Ah, yes. $300 of Filco lovin'.

Wow... says kit, can you buy it built?

itlnstln · « **Reply #93 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 11:41:36 »

Great suggestion at the bottom.

AndrewZorn · « **Reply #94 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 12:40:43 »

i dont understand the greediness. i mean, is there really any other ADDED costs than the circuit's parts? as in, the DESIGN doesnt get more complicated, etc...

bigpook · « **Reply #95 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 15:34:33 »

The shiny is nice and all. But its a pain to keep clean.

microsoft windows · « **Reply #96 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 16:28:26 »

I like the nice dull yellowish-beige color my keyboards come in.

bigpook · « **Reply #97 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 18:40:10 »

my model m mini is beige? off-white? it works for me. I would like to see the das after a round of cheetos action. shiny and orange.

microsoft windows · « **Reply #98 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 18:59:54 »

Personally, I don't like black shiny computer equipment. (Not being racist against black computers here) It's just too prone to fingerprints. With my computers, people expect them to be dirty heaps of junk so I can put as many fingerprints as I want on them.

bigpook · « **Reply #99 on:** Wed, 11 November 2009, 19:32:46 »

ripster, I don't think she really cares. Honest. But she does like the das with blue cherry switches. The thing is though, she doesn't know its a das and she has no idea what a blue cherry is.
She is no keyboard geek. However, she did tell me once that she liked it. Which is secret code telling me to leave it alone. I wanted to swap it out with the filco tenkeyless with brown cherries as I think she would like it. But I don't want to risk 'the look' : )

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Author Topic: OK, So who has the New Das S? (Read 13026 times)