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- Add 1u R4 Alt to Addition kit so Tsangan/HHKB layouts who utilize the 1.5u Super keys have full coverage
- Maybe a fun alternative to "Super" could be to rename that key "Stealth"
Can GMK do doubleshot spacebars?
Have you talked to GMK about the custom novelty spacebars? If I'm not mistaken, this would be the first GMK set with a custom spacebar. I would think this would only be doable through dyesub, but I could be wrong.
This is definitely a more finished concept, but there was a "GMK Stealth" IC back in April.
Hey there! Cool set you've got here. We've been discussing your kitting over in the 40% discord and I wanted to compile and share a few community thoughts. For starters, thank you for including a 40% kit!
Lets get started!
The 40s Kit:
- The 1.75u spacebar is a contentious little key. There are three different ways to handle the inclusion of a 1.75u spacebar:
- Include two 1.75u spacebars. The Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 use two 1.75u spacebars whereas the only keeb that uses a single 1.75u spacebar is the Vortex Core
- Include one 1.75u spacebar and the 1.75u minivan "Lock" key. This allows folks who use the Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 to use the minivan "Lock" key as one of the spacebars and for minivan users who use the 1.75u "Lock" key to not be forced to use the 1.75u spacebar. Most split bar users also do not map both split bars to be a space.
- The final option is to remove the 1.75u spacebar altogether. Among all split bars in the 40% community, the 1.75u is an odd bird.
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- We'd love to see a 1.25u shift key included. This is not strictly mandatory as there are multiple 1.25u options in base kit. However, the prime_e uses 6x 1.25u modifiers AND a 1.25u shift, meaning if I were to join this GB for one of my prime_e boards, I would also have to pick up the "Additions" kit for that single 1.25u shift. This is not strictly a deal-breaker, but is definitely a nice to have key!
This is awesome. Any plans to run a dark alpha alternative kit as well?
You should take out the orange triangle in the horizon desk mat. Only thing that keeps me from buying it. IMOi am the opposite. would not buy it without the orange triangle.
OG icon placement please
OG icon placement please
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OG icon placement please
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+4+3OG icon placement please
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+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
choice of f row coloring is also strange
The Geist renders are just fantastic. This set's aesthetics, especially with those novelties, are top-notch. And the extras are the cherry on top of the cake. I think you have a real winner on your hands here, FV.Hey there! Cool set you've got here. We've been discussing your kitting over in the 40% discord and I wanted to compile and share a few community thoughts. For starters, thank you for including a 40% kit!
Lets get started!
The 40s Kit:
- The 1.75u spacebar is a contentious little key. There are three different ways to handle the inclusion of a 1.75u spacebar:
- Include two 1.75u spacebars. The Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 use two 1.75u spacebars whereas the only keeb that uses a single 1.75u spacebar is the Vortex Core
- Include one 1.75u spacebar and the 1.75u minivan "Lock" key. This allows folks who use the Prime_L, JD40, and JD45 to use the minivan "Lock" key as one of the spacebars and for minivan users who use the 1.75u "Lock" key to not be forced to use the 1.75u spacebar. Most split bar users also do not map both split bars to be a space.
- The final option is to remove the 1.75u spacebar altogether. Among all split bars in the 40% community, the 1.75u is an odd bird.
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- We'd love to see a 1.25u shift key included. This is not strictly mandatory as there are multiple 1.25u options in base kit. However, the prime_e uses 6x 1.25u modifiers AND a 1.25u shift, meaning if I were to join this GB for one of my prime_e boards, I would also have to pick up the "Additions" kit for that single 1.25u shift. This is not strictly a deal-breaker, but is definitely a nice to have key!
There are some really good points here.
I think the right way to handle 1.75u space is to add a R4 1.75u Lock key, which is required either way for Minivan support. Without it, there's not much point to having 1.75u Backspace and (to a certain extent) 1.5u Enter in the kit.
I agree with including 1.25u Shift in the kit since ISO keys aren't part of base.
On top of that, there are a few more changes that I'd make to the Extension kit. I'll summarize everything below:
- Add R4 1.75u Lock.
This key is for Minivan support and also works as a second 1.75u space substitute.- Add R4 1.25u Shift.
If you're planning on keeping ISO keys separate from base.- Remove either accent or non-accent 1.25u and 1.5u Enter keys.
These sizes are not used commonly enough to justify having both accent and non-accent options in the kit. That space could be put to much better use by having more compatibility-extending keys in the kit.- Add a second R4 1u Shift.
Not all ortho users put Enter on R4, and some of them prefer having Shifts on both sides.- Add a R3 1u Enter key.
For similar reasons as above, some ortho users prefer having Enter on R3.- Change R3 1u ⭾ to ∧ (Ctrl icon).
Tab is actually one of the less popular (https://i.imgur.com/OVofoyd.png) options for ortho keys on R3 (source (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102205.msg2806656#msg2806656)), and the Ctrl icon is generic-looking enough that it can also substitute for Shift, Caps and Fn, the other popular options.
The alternative would be to have a new mold created for a >_ icon (example (https://i.imgur.com/5ZVAEFn.png)), that this and future GMK sets would be able to use.- I think the inclusion of the black 1u space keys is interesting, albeit not completely necessary.
I guess these are in the kit for aesthetic reasons (having an all-black bottom row on an ortho board), but they could also be useful for people who prefer convex Lower/Raise keys. While these keys are not exactly necessary and can be cut if the kit ends up on the expensive side, I think they're an interesting addition nonetheless.- (optional) Consider including a R1 1u Backspace key.
This is for users of ortho boards with number rows, most notably the Preonic. But I wouldn't say this is a must, as the R1 Delete, R2 Backspace configuration is already supported.
On a separate note, as Mr. CustomerSupport has already pointed out, a 1u Alt key will need to be added to the Addition kit for the 1.5u Super keys to be usable.
choice of f row coloring is also strange
The thought behind this choice was it to create a darker atmosphere for the Set. Like this the darker colors are superior and they sheath the brighter alpha colors.
+4+3OG icon placement please
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+1 for OG icon mods as well
I'm with Mario Chalmers on this one. The triangle is essential.You should take out the orange triangle in the horizon desk mat. Only thing that keeps me from buying it. IMOi am the opposite. would not buy it without the orange triangle.
+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
I'm considering to add an OG Icon Mod Kit to the set.
+4+3+2OG icon placement please+1
I'm considering to add an OG Icon Mod Kit to the set.
You should know that the people who want OG icon mods want them in the base kit. They disapprove of changing the standard legends in the first place, creating this unnecessary schism. Trying to appease the people who want the original icon legends with an extra kit won't work that well, as they'll just skip this set completely rather than pay for an extra kit.
Is it possible to add support to Portuguese Layout on the Norde Kit?Or there is no possibility?
[…]Not sure what moron created these different mods recently, as I've seen them on a few sets...but they are a horrible design choice. I would imagine the sets that I saw with those hideous mods could have sold 30% more sets if they had just used regular mods...not this new age, terrible design. Nothing against the OP, but these new innovative design changes people are trying to make on stuff that has worked well for so long, is just moronic.
OG icons. Great set otherwise!I am feeling the same, never been a fan of writing text on spacebar.
PS: Not a fan of the spacebar "novelty", if you wanna run orange spacebars just run orange spacebars. The text is tacky.
For those wanting dark alphas, I'm sure there will be GMK Dark extras.
tbh... I don't care if it uses the old icon or new icon mods. I'm sure the vast majority don't either.
My only suggestion is to add 2 1.5u Super and an extra 1u Alt keys in the base for those that use *nix/Mac and prefer Tsagan. If not possible, 2 1.5u Danger keys in the Novelty kit would resolve that issue.
Very nice indeed. +1 for NorDe :thumb: Getting in on this for sure.
Now if only Candykeys would start up their "GMK Fishbed" set ;D
Not bad design; think you need to work on making it a little stealthier so I don't ever have to see this again in my life.
I cannot remember what the original kitting was but the current one not having a R3 control key seems to be a significant miss. I am not sure if this is intentional, if i just didn't notice it or it just happens to be missing from the renders.
Maybe I'm the only one, but I'm not a fan of the OG icons. They look out of place to me. I preferred it how it was before. Otherwise, love the set.
very nice update
could maybe add an orange inverted triangle caps lock novelty, or change the orange triangle enter to a caps lock. three different enters is nice but you can only use one at a time
very nice update
could maybe add an orange inverted triangle caps lock novelty, or change the orange triangle enter to a caps lock. three different enters is nice but you can only use one at a time
I cannot remember what the original kitting was but the current one not having a R3 control key seems to be a significant miss. I am not sure if this is intentional, if i just didn't notice it or it just happens to be missing from the renders.
I have a Prime E I am hoping to put this set on. In the Rukia render, there are black space bars, but I don't see in the kitting where I would get those. Am I just missing them or are there no black space bars available with this set?
I have a Prime E I am hoping to put this set on. In the Rukia render, there are black space bars, but I don't see in the kitting where I would get those. Am I just missing them or are there no black space bars available with this set?
I saw the extra B in the blackout kit, but I didn't see one for the base kit colors, yet the render shows an alice layout with the extra B. Just wanna know if that's gonna be included in the base or any other kit?
I saw the extra B in the blackout kit, but I didn't see one for the base kit colors, yet the render shows an alice layout with the extra B. Just wanna know if that's gonna be included in the base or any other kit?
I was going to post this, I noticed the same thing
I don't like the fact that mod-colored tilde and pipe are missing from the base kit. Well, they are present in the Blackout kit, but this is quite expensive for just these two keys. Does not really matter for me, though, since I like Blackout better anyway (Blackout base possibly?).
And I think that R3 icon Ctrl looks bad. I get that you want to have the icon between all the other icons, but the Ctrl icon is just ugly. What about a text R3 Ctrl and those who want icons just use the Caps Lock key? Well, this is what I will do if only the icon Ctrl is available.
Lastly, thank you for including those 1.5u Stealth/Super keys!
Yeah quite a few keys are missing from the base kit imo.
- Dark tilda
- Dark pipe
- Regular mod colored enter and esc
- Extra B
- Black out kit has an extra tab key that is redundant.
Honestly I don't care about any of these other than not having the extra B in the base kit since I'm also getting the black out kit anyways, but the kitting so far is pretty weird.
idk man, I like the colors of the set but wtf is that kitting
Yeah quite a few keys are missing from the base kit imo.
- Dark tilda
- Dark pipe
- Regular mod colored enter and esc
- Extra B
- Black out kit has an extra tab key that is redundant.
Honestly I don't care about any of these other than not having the extra B in the base kit since I'm also getting the black out kit anyways, but the kitting so far is pretty weird.
tbh this.
also if you have text mods on the bottom row the r3 control should be text only too. not a randomly placed icon.
I think a lot of people would prefer the basekit to be $10 more and include those keys instead of saving money on the wrong end.
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
numpad in base massively increases the price of that kit and there a lot more people that use boards without numpads in this hobby than people that need it.
so having it as an extra kit is imho the best way to do it. Because I certainly don't want to pay for one if I don't ever use it.
This is a nice set, but no numpad in the base hurts since I actually use an 1800.
numpad in base massively increases the price of that kit and there a lot more people that use boards without numpads in this hobby than people that need it.
so having it as an extra kit is imho the best way to do it. Because I certainly don't want to pay for one if I don't ever use it.
That's not how GMK pricing works. For low MOQ sets (250-500), numpad in base adds only about $10, whereas separating it can easily make it a $40 child kit depending on how many keys are included. Separating numpad only really makes sense for high MOQ sets (1000) where the low cost of the base kit can offset the higher price of the child kits like numpad. I think this set can easily hit that MOQ so it makes sense that Virtual is attempting this kit breakdown.
This set needs at least one or two renders in normal lighting because I have a feeling many people are going to underestimate just how bright that grey/blue 7016 looks in the daytime.
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
Blackout Base Kit and I'm in.
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
Blackout Base Kit and I'm in.
Amen, brother. I'd be all over this.
Any chance for the icon mods to have centered icons, instead of on the top left? Similar to GMK 9009 R3
Any chance for the icon mods to have centered icons, instead of on the top left? Similar to GMK 9009 R3
Any chance of a proper 40s kit? Really want to put this on the whimsy, but it doesn't look like it has the 1.25 enter. The only other 1.25 is the tab which would be used, and the shift is R4, not R3. No 1.5 shift, but I could always use one of the other keys for that (like the control or stealth key).Would be interested in a 40s as well
What are the chances of a full 40s kit? :P
“𝙁𝙖𝙞𝙩𝙝 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙗𝙞𝙧𝙙 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙛𝙚𝙚𝙡𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙡𝙞𝙜𝙝𝙩 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙣 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙮 𝙞𝙨 𝙨𝙩𝙞𝙡𝙡 𝙙𝙞𝙢.”
There is going to be one more kitting update before the GB. You guys will be happy with the updated 40s kit — the Shift has been fixed, and there is a 1.25u Enter. As a prospective Whimsy owner myself, I also appreciate this addition. :)
I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
This is just preference. I feel the exact opposite - I am only interested in a blackout kit. That's why I think it would be best to have an independent TKL Mods kit and sell the two different alpha sets separate, as SO many other keysets have done recently.
In theory GMK will make any kitting you throw at them, but in practice having alphas separate from mods is really impractical with the way GMK's pricing is set up.I think this kit absolutely needs mods and alphas to be a different color, if the base was all blacked out (and it became essentially just a gray on black set) i would be out on this set.
The kitting is much better than it was earlier especially like the 1.5U super/stealth keys in the base kit, only other addition I could think of are these two:
1. maybe a 1.5U R4 function key somewhere in the kit.
2. given the icon only control has such a small icon have a stepped icon control option.
This is just preference. I feel the exact opposite - I am only interested in a blackout kit. That's why I think it would be best to have an independent TKL Mods kit and sell the two different alpha sets separate, as SO many other keysets have done recently.
I don't think GMK does kits like that.
It's only like that for KAT, KAM or JTK sets (and whatever other profiles there are now).
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
The failure to include ISO-UK support in blackout is very disappointing.
Full ISO blackout still not possible to achieve anymore. This was possible in the first kitting arrangement.
The failure to include ISO-UK support in blackout is very disappointing.
Personally I prefer the blackout and would have it as a main kit, with blackout nordeuk.
Thanks for your reply.
I’m aware - but got to voice preference. I see more support for ISO options in recent group buys.
Also ISO-UK was catered for in the original blackout kitting. It is also catered for in the grey colour option.
FWIW I prefer the standard, not blackout base. I just want to make sure there is vocal support for the kits as planned. Also, I want to thank konstantin for the measured and very well written response.Agree with this... I know there’s a variety of opinion but I plan on both kits :)
are the legends doubleshot or see through? just curious if they allow rgb through. the color makes it seem that way.
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support. Community surveys show this, and group buy sales statistics also show this. There's also the issue of the remaining 95%+ of users having to pay extra for your keys, keys which most of them have no use for. You hardly ever see other groups of ISO users (some of which are larger, e.g. NorDe) be this fussy about keys for their layouts. Why can't you be happy with the basic ISO compromise solution that seems to work fine for everyone else?
Of course, voicing preference is always a good thing, and it's what ICs are for — no issues there. It's just that at some point it can start to feel a bit repetitive and overbearing. Take it from me, I've been guilty of it many times in the past. Now, I can't speak for the designer, but since the gray colorway is the main colorway of the set and blackout is an alternative option, it makes sense that they wouldn't have the same amount of compatibility offered. Maybe if there's a R2 run of the set, blackout can be made the main colorway with enough demand. As for the other thing, I suspect that it was done to cut the cost of the kit by a bit.
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support.
You hardly ever see other groups of ISO users (some of which are larger, e.g. NorDe) be this fussy about keys for their layouts. Why can't you be happy with the basic ISO compromise solution that seems to work fine for everyone else?
Guys, one thing really needs to be said here, and that's that despite the fact that both of you seem to have created Geekhack accounts for the sole purpose of commenting about ISO-UK support in this and a few other GMK ICs, actual ISO-UK users as a whole still remain a statistical minority that is hardly worth a keyset designer going especially out of their way to support.
I can't speak for anyone else, but I didn't create my account here to voice support for ISO UK. We have five folks in this thread alone voicing support for ISO UK. Yes a minority but why not at least attempt to cater for the minority too? It's only a few extra keys.
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
That minority has been catered to, which is why most sets don’t offer ISO-UK, since it’s such a minuscule number. Adding “a few extra keys” doesn’t seem like a big deal until it adds $15 to the NorDe kit and causes people to not buy that kit.
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.I don't dislike the orange in the design and don't want to detract from the designers vision - as it is great. I think there should at least be an combination of options to not have the orange ESC and ENTER if you didn't want them, like others have mentioned ;-)
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
I think the orange accent ESC and ENTER keys would be better as optional too - perhaps in the extension, or just omit them, and if folks want accent colours they can use the novelties?
The orange is the defining factor of this design, otherwise this is a slightly different GMK Dark. The accents allow just the slightest pop of color that gives this set character.
Not everyone gets the novelties, and like others have mentioned, the multicolored kit is the vision of the set as the designer intended.
I agree with this.
Also the blackout kit still has the extra tab that's repetitive to the base kit.
It's not repetitive. The idea behind having an extra Tab key in an alternative alt alphas kit (which is what the Blackout kit is) is that it allows you to cover two full keyboards (your regular one + an additional 60% or 65%) if you buy base + alt alphas. That way you get more out of what you paid for, and there are less “wasted” keys.
Why Tab? Because all of the other keys (Backspaces, Shifts, Enters, spacebars etc.) are already present in the base kit in multiple variants. For example, you get two 2.25u Shifts, two Backspaces (one 2u, one 1.5u), two spacebars (one 6.25c, one 7c), many bottom row keys, etc. — it's just the Tab key (and, in this particular case, Esc and Enter as well) that needs another copy to be included in the alphas kit.
I think it is pretty clear there is going to be a lot of interest in this set. I think this makes it even more important to get kitting right here to maximise options and be as inclusive as possible. Look at the GMK Minimal example above - it covered a lot of use cases and sold extremely well.
Is this a common use case - to try and populate two keyboards from one keycap group buy?
@FaKe_VirTual - take a look at kitting in GMK Minimal and how well it sold - https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868
It's worth noting that the kit that contained ISO-UK keys (Addition) sold quite poorly in both GMK Minimal 2 and GMK MoDo 2, with just 10.5% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=107868.msg2954072#msg2954072) and 6.8% (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=106764.msg2930487#msg2930487) of base kit sales, respectively. Mind you, this is without extras, so organic sales only.
To put things into a bit more perspective, the 40s kits (Obscure), which usually have a lot of trouble hitting MOQ in GMK GBs — in fact, just this past month we've seen four sets that have had to cancel their 40s kits mid-GB due to poor sales — sold around twice as much as the Addition kit in both cases. So your suggesting Minimal-like kitting for this set doesn't really go in favor of you looking to score ISO-UK keys.
Perhaps I'm missing something - the addition kit for Minimal 2 went past 200% min order quantity. I'd be more than happy with that! So on the contrary - I think it is a perfect example for ISO UK. Norde went 180% of MOQ also.
Perhaps I'm missing something - the addition kit for Minimal 2 went past 200% min order quantity. I'd be more than happy with that! So on the contrary - I think it is a perfect example for ISO UK. Norde went 180% of MOQ also.
You have to keep in mind that the example you've sent was the R2 of Minimal. People who joined on the first round of it, which already had a lot of sales, did get those smaller child kits in addition to their existing set ( I'm not saying that this was mainly the case, just that this did also pushed the sales of those up ).Also this. I'm pretty sure us R1 owners of Minimal and MoDo are the only ones who bought those Addition kits, lol. The stats sure make it seem that way, at least.
I'm considering those smaller kits, like an additions kit with ISO-UK, for a potential second round of GMK Stealth. With the first round I'm trying to cover the basic needs within a reasonable price.
You have to keep in mind that the example you've sent was the R2 of Minimal. People who joined on the first round of it, which already had a lot of sales, did get those smaller child kits in addition to their existing set ( I'm not saying that this was mainly the case, just that this did also pushed the sales of those up ).
I'm considering those smaller kits, like an additions kit with ISO-UK, for a potential second round of GMK Stealth. With the first round I'm trying to cover the basic needs within a reasonable price.
Also this. I'm pretty sure us R1 owners of Minimal and MoDo are the only ones who bought those Addition kits, lol.
Would have liked to see a CR 6u in spacebar kit, but it's probably too late now
Would have liked to see a CR 6u in spacebar kit, but it's probably too late now
6u is nonstandard and pretty much never included in GMK sets.
Only some prebuilt keyboards like Razer use that spacebar size.
Not saying you owe people anything, but....
MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG
To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Maybe you're being sensitive? I don't expect a designer to reply to me ever, and I'm more than happy to aggressively say things that many others are thinking but failing to see enacted. I'll take your criticism though and try to be more aware of my tone/rudeness. I mean, we could be friends and you'll learn very fas that I am direct and opinionated. Do you want me to just act like everyone else does here and filter my language so I don't offend anyone's sheltered sensibilities? I prefer a little variety and spice. Others have the sensible act down pretty well. I'll be a little louder just for fun.To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Yo, maybe keycap designers would take your suggestions more seriously if you weren't so aggressive and repetitive. Your posts here and on Muted 2 have been pretty rude.
Maybe you're being sensitive? I don't expect a designer to reply to me ever, and I'm more than happy to aggressively say things that many others are thinking but failing to see enacted. I'll take your criticism though and try to be more aware of my tone/rudeness. I mean, we could be friends and you'll learn very fas that I am direct and opinionated. Do you want me to just act like everyone else does here and filter my language so I don't offend anyone's sheltered sensibilities? I prefer a little variety and spice. Others have the sensible act down pretty well. I'll be a little louder just for fun.To be clear, I and many people don't need more GMK sets. But simple aesthetic like this can go on every board. You drew me back, with sheer design. This will be popular. Popular beyond the specific vision of a newer keyset designer. Not saying you owe people anything, but it would be in your best interest financialy to be more inclusive of peoples preferences, simply by including the typical keys present in base kits, such as a regular mod colored Escape and Enter key. Please consider being more flexible with your vision by giving us the bare minimum of what is to be expected (ie: proper colored/sized keys in the base kit) and leave creative vision to accents/novelties kits.
edit: and I do see the normal colored keys in the Blackout kit, but I'm not going to assume you did that on purpose to force people to but the blackout kit, because that would be really ****ty. How to fix this dilemma? MOVE THE MOD COLORED ESCAPE AND ENTER FROM BLACKOUT TO THE BASE KIT WHERE THEY BELONG (like every other keyset that has ever run alternate alphas has done since the beginning of time.)
Yo, maybe keycap designers would take your suggestions more seriously if you weren't so aggressive and repetitive. This post is pretty rude.
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
I would have loved to stop talking to you like 3 comments ago but you're literally just making **** up at point I'm not ****ting on the thread AT ALL by asking him and stating the reasons I think we need those keys. STOP BEING A BABY"I disagree for such and such reason, and think so because this and this"
Listen, this has nothing to do with me, and I have nothing against you personally as I do not know you. But I would call out a close friend for saying the same. You're just being objectively rude, and I doubt any GB runner will feel like replying or taking your input when you "yell" at them in all caps. All there is to that.
Would have been a lot more proactive than whatever you are doing. A single line of jokingly belligerent capitalized text does not offend me. And I'll say again, I'm not going to tone it down and act like everyone else so you can feel secure in your opinions about keycaps. I'd love to discuss keycaps with you, like AT ALL. Otherwise I'm done talking with you.
edit, I give up lol. The more I think about it, you are literally mad because i hit caps lock. grow up.
I discussed the state of the kitting in my previous post, but it looks like you purposefully excluded the quote in your reply. Kitting was updated by competent people. Not what you like? Get over it. Also, not sure how else to explain to you that I'm not offended and simply pointing out that your response can be perceived as a straight-faced, rude response (esp. since the rest of your post was serious). Glad you're done ****ting on Virtual's awesome IC.
Good luck, Virtual, and I will certainly be joining this one. :thumb:
The only bit I think that could be taken as potentially going a bit far is that you've implied that the OP is attempting to force people to buy the blackout set (and so benefitting financially), if they are picky about the orange accent. While that is factually correct, I don't expect that is the intention. Your recommendation to move the affected keys from blackout to main set is actually a reasonable idea I think.
The only bit I think that could be taken as potentially going a bit far is that you've implied that the OP is attempting to force people to buy the blackout set (and so benefitting financially), if they are picky about the orange accent. While that is factually correct, I don't expect that is the intention. Your recommendation to move the affected keys from blackout to main set is actually a reasonable idea I think.
Yeah I was basically feigning that as a joke in the hopes OP would realize no one is going to buy blackout for two keys. I think it will turn more people away from the entire set, than it will add $$ to the GB. In fact, I would bet my left kidney that fixing the kits as discussed would result in MORE sales.
110 euros for that minimal base kit, no ISO no numpad :confused: Gmk thinkcap base has more keys and cost 107..... :( MOQ at minimum?
Pricing has been published.
Prototypist has been added to the vendors list.
Two more days until GMK Stealth is about to take off.
Cables will be available from vendors or will they be only available directly from makers? They are not listed on the pricing list.
So someone needs to spend 172$ USD to be able to run the simple 75% kit that you're advertising as the first photo in this IC? Sorry - but that's ridiculous.
I hope this kit sells well for you, but I will no longer be joining it.
110 euros for that minimal base kit, no ISO no numpad :confused: Gmk thinkcap base has more keys and cost 107..... :( MOQ at minimum?
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?Not this run.
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?
Still no dark Esc and Enter back in base/norde? Will that be ever fixed?
For me that is literally the difference if I'll put 180€ into this or not. When you're spending this much on keycaps the kitting should be good. Please fix @ Virtual. It's ONE key.
Is the base kit price on CandyKeys correct?
Every other kit has a 1-1 dollar to euro conversion except the base kit which is $100 to 110 EUR.
67 euro for a single artisan lmfao. I love the look of it but come on... absolutely ridicilous pricing by Rama
I'm working hard on the issue with the non-accented Esc and Enter in the last couple days. I think that I might have found a way to make it work.
Woops! Looks like there are still necessary MODS in the alternate ALPHAS kit that should be in the BASE KIT. Boy that is embarrassing, glad I said something before this went into GB and you lost a bunch of people's interest because of such a tiny thing.
I'm working hard on the issue with the non-accented Esc and Enter in the last couple days. I think that I might have found a way to make it work.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
To resubmit to gmk for a another quote for at least 2 kits: base and blackout. Gb will be surely delayed. I'll wait for a better R2 too.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Out of interest - what were the problems that made the change not possible?
To resubmit to gmk for a another quote for at least 2 kits: base and blackout. Gb will be surely delayed. I'll wait for a better R2 too.
I had some long talks with my vendors and we came to the conclusion that we have to keep the kitting as is. We have to do it to avoid many inconveniences, trouble and risks that would occour with that, seemingly small, change.
With that being said, I really appreciate the feedback from you guys and you're definitely going to see those things being implemented into round 2 of stealth.
I'm excited to release Stealth tomorrow and I hope that you're too.
Out of interest - what were the problems that made the change not possible?
I don't think a delay would be a terrible idea - and my thinking would be not to rush. Things have already moved pretty fast for this IC comparatively anyway.
However I can understand those involved being keen to stick to schedule.