Who the heck uses right Alt and Ctrl

[msiegel]

I seem to always use the left Alt and Ctrl.

Is anyone using the right ones?


...besides Alt Gr, for Europeans...

[AndrewZorn]

right ctrl, on normal keyboards, is for a fancy ctrl+enter or ctrl+shift+enter in web browsers

alt+enter fullscreen normally

i cant think of anything else
should probably add them to the list

scroll lock
pause/break
right ctrl
right alt

[msiegel]

caps lock

just kidding, i use caps lock as ctrl

[Rajagra]

They are a legacy from the days when you needed to do Ctrl-Alt-Del so often, and it was convenient to do it one-handed. :lol:

But right Ctrl is handy for the arrows and Home/End, even Del. And Break.

[AndrewZorn]

oh right
and ctrl-alt-del

which i havent used much since i found out about ctl+shift+esc
well, not NEAR AS much...
i just need taskman a lot

[msiegel]

They are a legacy from the days when you needed to do Ctrl-Alt-Del so often, and it was convenient to do it one-handed.

it's the vulcan nerve pinch!

well, i learned something new today

[Rajagra]

Yes. The good old three-finger salute.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1zADyh0JQh8

[d2v]

I use right Alt and Ctrl all the time. For QWERTY users, the proper way (IMO, of course) to do Ctrl-x, Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v is to use right control key. I use Dvorak, but I still use right Ctrl when I have to press another key with left hand.
Right Alt is useful for Emacs' M-x (Alt-x) keystroke, even with dvorak. Also for Alt-F4.

[pseudolobster]

I use left right alt all the time for alt+left (back in most browsers), or alt+enter (fullscreen in a lot of apps)

Left Right alt is also used by all sorts of different languages, since it's technically the "altGR" key, used to compose foreign characters such as the accent keys in french and german and so forth (å,ç,ê,ï,ë, etc etc)

Now that you mention it though, I have absolutely never used the right ctrl key, nor the windows menu key (even when I have a keyboard with that key on it I end up using shift+f10, or, you know, the right mouse button)

[pseudolobster]

Right Alt is useful for Emacs' M-x (Alt-x) keystroke, even with dvorak. Also for Alt-F4.

People still use that OS? I thought emacs died in the 70's or so...

[d2v]

People still use that OS? I thought emacs died in the 70's or so...

Yes, they do.

On a side note, there exists a wiki of all text editors that ever existed, at http://texteditors.org.

[msiegel]

I use right Alt and Ctrl all the time. For QWERTY users, the proper way (IMO, of course) to do Ctrl-x, Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v is to use right control key.

ah, good idea

[pseudolobster]

Yes, they do.

On a side note, there exists a wiki of all text editors that ever existed, at http://texteditors.org.

Oh, you use it as a text editor

Oh.

Well then... Okay. Carry on I suppose.

[kw71]

People still use that OS? I thought emacs died in the 70's or so...

You should try emacs if you're not familiar with it.  Since the 'War on Drugs' it's really the only safe way to "trip" nowadays.

[Xuan]

Oh, you use it as a text editor

Oh.

Well then... Okay. Carry on I suppose.

And you see it as an OS

[pseudolobster]

And you see it as an OS

That I say, I say that was a joke, son.

Honestly though, I see it as a bloated pile of unused and unnecessary code.. Last time I installed it I used it to play tetris for a few minutes, then went back to vi. I see it as the microsoft office of text editors.

[msiegel]

a bloated pile of unused and unnecessary code

ok, so you won't be needing right alt and ctrl for *that*...

[d2v]

The lack of second control key is a major frustration on keyboards with the Sun layout  (including HHKB). The Sun type 7 keyboard that I have at work, has 'Alt Graph' and 'Compose' keys in the lower right corner, below the right Shift.

[quadibloc]

I seem to always use the left Alt and Ctrl.

Is anyone using the right ones?

How else would you type, say, Ctrl-C? The keys are there on both sides of the keyboard so that, like the shift key, they can be used to modify keys on both sides of the keyboard after the fashion of normal touch-typing.

It's true that the Alt key isn't used much, unless one is using an application with keyboard shortcuts.

[msiegel]

How else would you type, say, Ctrl-C? The keys are there on both sides of the keyboard so that, like the shift key, they can be used to modify keys on both sides of the keyboard after the fashion of normal touch-typing.

It's true that the Alt key isn't used much, unless one is using an application with keyboard shortcuts.

I'm on the Mac, and I use left Alt as Command. Caps Lock functions as Ctrl, and Win is used as Option.

I don't use the normal Ctrl keys, nor the right Alt, Windows, or Menu keys

[kode]

Honestly though, I see it as a bloated pile of unused and unnecessary code.. Last time I installed it I used it to play tetris for a few minutes, then went back to vi. I see it as the microsoft office of text editors.

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Must say I liked that screencap. The guy who put it up on the lysator web server has a .emacs and a .emacs.d in his home directory, so I'm pretty sure he uses emacs. :)

vi is bloat. ed is where it's at.

[ironcoder]

I seem to always use the left Alt and Ctrl.

Is anyone using the right ones?


...besides Alt Gr, for Europeans...

Yes, I use right alt as an escape for VirtualBox. It works great for that since it's useless for anything else. Right ctrl, never. I usually remap some/all of the useless keys including the winbloze keys if the board has them, since I need extra keys for IBM terminal emulation.

[ironcoder]

And you see it as an OS

That's a joke, because Emacs is so huge and has so many zillions of features that have nothing to do with editing because it was written in a special dialect of Lisp that lets you customize it without end. They say Emacs is a horrible OS with a good editor, something like that.

[ironcoder]

People still use that OS? I thought emacs died in the 70's or so...

Yes it died in the 1970s and yes we still use it.

[ironcoder]

How else would you type, say, Ctrl-C? The keys are there on both sides of the keyboard so that, like the shift key, they can be used to modify keys on both sides of the keyboard after the fashion of normal touch-typing.

It's true that the Alt key isn't used much, unless one is using an application with keyboard shortcuts.

Clearly you are a young guy who has never learned to player twister (do you know what that is?) on the keyboard.

Ctrl-C is properly executed by putting your left thumb on ctrl, your left index finger on left shift and hitting c with your right index finger. Right shift, right alt, and right ctrl are strictly passe.

The main idea is to always use the left hand for alt, ctrl, and shift and the right hand for any other characters used in combination with those 3.

[DreymaR]

The right-hand Ctrl key is used for one-handed Ctrl+PgUp/Dn, Ctrl-arrows and suchlike. Useful for some of my programs.

[Rajagra]

How else would you type, say, Ctrl-C? The keys are there on both sides of the keyboard so that, like the shift key, they can be used to modify keys on both sides of the keyboard after the fashion of normal touch-typing.

True, but how often have you heard people criticize Dvorak because the layout goes against their muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts? There are clearly a vast number of people doing Ctrl-X/C/V using just their left hand. And they consider it to be the right way.

[d2v]

True, but how often have you heard people criticize Dvorak because the layout goes against their muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts? There are clearly a vast number of people doing Ctrl-X/C/V using just their left hand. And they consider it to be the right way.

When I started using dvorak, it took me a total of two weeks to get used to new positions of X, C and V. All it takes is consistently following the correct Control key usage (left or right). Some typing lessons also help in memorizing new letter positions.

Another way to do it is to use Ctrl-Insert for copy, Shift-Insert for paste, and Shift-Delete for cut. These are legacy shortcuts from DOS era, and are independent of the layout (so long as modifiers don't move)

[msiegel]

True, but how often have you heard people criticize Dvorak because the layout goes against their muscle memory for keyboard shortcuts? There are clearly a vast number of people doing Ctrl-X/C/V using just their left hand. And they consider it to be the right way.

yep, left hand is the right way

uh-oh, i'm a caps lock control swapper

[FourOhFour]

Blog and comments here.

I personally just use my left hand for modifiers including SHIFT just because it involves less pinky stretching.

Same. And judging from the wear patterns on this model m, same with it's previous owners. Right shift looks untouched, while all the left modifiers have a little shine to them. Even caps lock.

I'll occasionally use right command (alt) for cmd-L, [, and ] (focus address bar, back, and forward), and right shift for shift-pageup/down.

[itlnstln]

I use my left pinky for all modifiers myself.  I guess I really never noticed why, but as ripster said, the left pinky has to do less stretching to get to those positions, so I think, subconciously, I ended up using my left pinky exclusively.  I never really use the right Ctrl and Alt for anything more than the three finger salute.

[d2v]

Blog and comments here.

I personally just use my left hand for modifiers including SHIFT just because it involves less pinky stretching.

Xah Lee has been posting on the Emacs mailing lists for years. He is also pushing for Common User Access (CUA) controls (Ctrl-X, C, V) to be default.
I was using caps lock as ctrl until I read his article.

Yes, the pinky has to do all the heavy lifting in pressing the modifier keys, resulting in sore pinky problem. (Emacs is famous for this, and this issue frequently comes up in Emacs vs. Vi flamewars. )

I suppose the humble hacker keyboard layout gets it right. It puts the modifier keys between left and right hand keys, to be actuated by index finger.

[itlnstln]

I suppose the humble hacker keyboard layout gets it right. It puts the modifier keys between left and right hand keys, to be actuated by index finger.

I think the uTron keyboard does the same thing.

[ironcoder]

I personally just use my left hand for modifiers including SHIFT just because it involves less pinky stretching.

I learned that way too. I use the left thumb for alt or ctrl and another left finger for most keys west of L or O. East of that is right hand land.

The pinky never gets used, I don't think.

[itlnstln]

If you use your left thumb for Ctrl duties, I can see why you might not like having Windows keys.  Win keys put Ctrl in the perfect spot for pinky use.

[ironcoder]

I don't get it, on all the keyboards I have ctrl is always the leftmost key. Did you mean alt?

My objection to winbloze keys is purely MS hatred and the fact that they have no function since I don't use bloze. If I have them they just get in the way, but I think I use every keyboard more or less the same way. I expect ctrl and then alt somewhere east of that.

[ch_123]

Alt Gr is useful. Could live without right control though.

[itlnstln]

I don't get it, on all the keyboards I have ctrl is always the leftmost key. Did you mean alt?
 
My objection to winbloze keys is purely MS hatred and the fact that they have no function since I don't use bloze. If I have them they just get in the way, but I think I use every keyboard more or less the same way. I expect ctrl and then alt somewhere east of that.

Nevermind.  I was thinking that Ctrl was right next to Alt on the older 'boards.

[ironcoder]

Yes it probably is. The winbloze key is usually right between them on new boards.

I can't remember because alt and ctrl don't compute for IBM keyboards, but when I use NIX I use them.

[urlwolf]

The proper way to do Ctrl-x, Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v is to use right control key. In general, all chords are better done with two hands. I was surprised by this too. I read it on the kinesis manual, they say that one-handed shortcuts are dangerous, and I believe it now (a reference wouldn't hurt; if anyone finds  one, please post).

I have hundreds of autohotkey shortcuts that a did single-handed. needless to say, I got pain, and worried about being able to type long stretches anymore. Fortunately, after using the kinesis contour AND good chording on any other keyboard, no pain to speak of. Be careful out there

[Rajagra]

The idea of using the palm of your hand to hit Ctrl is unintuitive, but brilliant. I must remind myself to try doing it. The joint at the base of my pinkie is in just the right place.

It would be worth having extra height on the Ctrl key to make it even easier.

[ironcoder]

Alt Gr is useful. Could live without right control though.

Ok, what is Gr?

[itlnstln]

Ok, what is Gr?

IIRC, AltGr is used on German layouts as a modifier to type alternate forms of letters used in the language.

[ironcoder]

Thanks no wonder I never heard of it!

[Rajagra]

IIRC, AltGr is used on German layouts as a modifier to type alternate forms of letters used in the language.

I think you'll find that vanilla US layout is about the only one that doesn't use it.

[texteur]

IIRC, AltGr is used on German layouts as a modifier to type alternate forms of letters used in the language.

Exactly the same on Swiss French keyboards (very close to German ones).

[AndrewZorn]

çółémák ȟä§ ít

[lowpoly]

The proper way to do Ctrl-x, Ctrl-c and Ctrl-v is to use right control key.

When in Photoshop I use my left hand for Ctrl combinations. Ctrl on
CapsLock is much easier to reach then, especially for Ctrl-X. And Ctrl-Z with the palm on the lower left Ctrl - no thanks.

I use my palm on the lower left Ctrl when I Ctrl-click with the Trackpoint.

Ok, what is Gr?

Gr is for Graphics: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Altgr

[Hakhu]

That's a joke, because Emacs is so huge and has so many zillions of features that have nothing to do with editing because it was written in a special dialect of Lisp that lets you customize it without end. They say Emacs is a horrible OS with a good editor, something like that.

Yeah, almost. They (tm) say: "it's a great OS without any good text editor."
But yeah, the reasoning for this is right.

Anyway, we still use emacs at work. And it's still great, as an editor, for version control, to compile. One of my collegues uses it to read mail and as a web browser.
So yeah ... it's almost an OS.

There was a guy once that used emacs to control his coffee machine.

[Hakhu]

Almost forgot:

I use left ALT as Meta for emacs. Don't really need ALT. And the right CTRL as Multi-Key to write German Umlaute, like ü, ö and ä, if I have to write a mail in German.

[DreymaR]

çółémák ȟä§ ít

While I'm a huge fan of Colemak in general, the AltGr mappings seem ... unfinished. I've been working on something better (for me) for years, and it's a huge bloated layout but man can you type some glyphs on that motha!

Meanwhile, I'm using the VK_102 key and the AltGr positions of [ and ] for national characters. I think that most accents should be on dead keys, and I'm looking to the intuitive way it's done in Linux (e.g., the :; key with AltGr will be a dead key for diaeresis and the "' key with AltGr does the acute accent etc). There will also, like in Colemak be special dead keys for certain symbols; I'm planning to cram a workable IPA into it - if you're not one of the IPA specialists who need symbols for drunken speech and suchlike, that is - as well as greek/kyrillic and hopefully hebrew scripts. Linguists should love it... I hope. And the '5 scripts' idea might finally get implemented.

But not yet.

[DreymaR]

I think you'll find that vanilla US layout is about the only one that doesn't use it.

I like vanilla ice cream, but vanilla US... ewww!!!  

[kode]

Xah Lee has been posting on the Emacs mailing lists for years. He is also pushing for Common User Access (CUA) controls (Ctrl-X, C, V) to be default.
I was using caps lock as ctrl until I read his article.

Yes, the pinky has to do all the heavy lifting in pressing the modifier keys, resulting in sore pinky problem. (Emacs is famous for this, and this issue frequently comes up in Emacs vs. Vi flamewars. )

I suppose the humble hacker keyboard layout gets it right. It puts the modifier keys between left and right hand keys, to be actuated by index finger.

Xah is also pretty famous for being a usenet troll, so I more or less take anything said by him (and most others) with a grain of salt. Personally I like my ctrl on the homerow. I actually did more than swapping, I just made caps another ctrl. Much like I'm not missing the swap partition, I don't miss the caps lock. I guess the right ctrl sees some underuse for most emacs commands, but I do use it for cut/copy/paste stuff almost daily.

[Mercen_505]

Late to the party, as always. Outside of gaming, I rarely if ever find myself using the right set of CTRL/ALT keys. In games, I tend to map them to frequently-used actions such as crouching or lobbing a grenade, as I'm left handed and still fondle the arrow keys as opposed to WASD.

[hyperlinked]

The right alt and ctrl buttons are EXTREMELY important.

You know how you often get an extra button sewn into a button shirt in case you need to make button repairs? The right alt and ctrl keys are like those. They're the first switch to get pulled when an emergency donor is needed.

[itlnstln]

The right alt and ctrl buttons are EXTREMELY important.
 
You know how you often get an extra button sewn into a button shirt in case you need to make button repairs? The right alt and ctrl keys are like those. They're the first switch to get pulled when an emergency donor is needed.

Strong.  Those and Pause/Break or Scroll Lock, especially Scroll Lock.  The right Shift is a good donor, too.  I don't think I have ever used the right Shift. Well, except for some test in the NKRO thread, but other than that, never.

[msiegel]

The right alt and ctrl buttons are EXTREMELY important.

You know how you often get an extra button sewn into a button shirt in case you need to make button repairs? The right alt and ctrl keys are like those. They're the first switch to get pulled when an emergency donor is needed.

:lol:

[timw4mail]

The right alt and ctrl buttons are EXTREMELY important.

You know how you often get an extra button sewn into a button shirt in case you need to make button repairs? The right alt and ctrl keys are like those. They're the first switch to get pulled when an emergency donor is needed.

So that's where I'm going to find another switch to swap in my NEC keyboard...thanks

[ehird]

Xah is also pretty famous for being a usenet troll, so I more or less take anything said by him (and most others) with a grain of salt. Personally I like my ctrl on the homerow. I actually did more than swapping, I just made caps another ctrl. Much like I'm not missing the swap partition, I don't miss the caps lock. I guess the right ctrl sees some underuse for most emacs commands, but I do use it for cut/copy/paste stuff almost daily.

Xah is a total loon, but the arguments he makes in that article appear sound.

[Kraicheck]

I use the right Ctrl all the time in firefox:
Ctrl+Tab - switch between tabs
Ctrl+W - close tab (this is becoming a standard for all tab related programs)
Ctrl+t - new tab

I did remap the windows-keys to Ctrl.

@Ironcoder: please stop with the "winbloze", its childish.

[msiegel]

I use the right Ctrl all the time in firefox:
Ctrl+Tab - switch between tabs
Ctrl+W - close tab (this is becoming a standard for all tab related programs)
Ctrl+t - new tab

i'm a little surprised how many people *are* using the right Ctrl and Alt. are you left-handed, by any chance?

@Ironcoder: please stop with the "winbloze", its childish.

mainframe programmers in a bunker. what are you gonna do XD

[ironcoder]

@Ironcoder: please stop with the "winbloze", its childish.

No, but thanks for asking.

"I don't need a weatherman to know which way the Winbloze...."

[ironcoder]

mainframe programmers in a bunker. what are you gonna do XD

Another great line :high5:

[Ulysses31]

I use right CTRL+PgUP/PgDn for moving through tabs, as well as the usual left CTRL+TAB (or CTRL+SHIFT+TAB) to go backwards.

[Kraicheck]

i'm a little surprised how many people *are* using the right Ctrl and Alt.

For me, the right Ctrl is a recent development. I got annoyed with the disruptive nature of using the mouse when programming, so I started using a lot more keyboard-shortcuts and HHKB-like scripts to keep my hands on the home row. This in turn let to a more "purist" view of using the keyboard as it's supposed to be used; modifiers with one hand, actual keys with the other. Right now I have to bare the fact that I don't have a real right Alt, so some combinations I'm still forced to do single-handed. It's annoying but I really need that AltGr.

are you left-handed, by any chance?

Yes, I am . I do normally mouse with my right hand so that's not the reason why I use the right Ctrl .

[roaduck]

For me, the right Ctrl is a recent development. I got annoyed with the disruptive nature of using the mouse when programming, so I started using a lot more keyboard-shortcuts and HHKB-like scripts to keep my hands on the home row. This in turn let to a more "purist" view of using the keyboard as it's supposed to be used; modifiers with one hand, actual keys with the other. Right now I have to bare the fact that I don't have a real right Alt, so some combinations I'm still forced to do single-handed. It's annoying but I really need that AltGr.

Yes, I am . I do normally mouse with my right hand so that's not the reason why I use the right Ctrl .

I don't think I've ever used the Alt and Ctrl on the right and I've only just discovered keyboard shortcuts.Plus my friends think I'm strange because I put the mouse on the left even though I'm right-handed - I did it to force me to become more ambidextrous and it has helped enormously plus driving left-hand drive manual geared Mercs in France really chucked me in the deep end.

[cmr]

i basically only use right shift. for whatever reason i use alt and ctrl on both sides though.

[watduzhkstand4]

I use the right ctrl + P to print stuff =P

[watduzhkstand4]

Wats up Wat.  Haven't seen you in a while.

hey ripters
sorry I've been very busy with school since the the first day it started. I only have classes three days a week but I still go to that hellhole every working day. How have you been? I always stop by whenever I have time to spy It doesn't seem like anything new is coming out is there?

[watduzhkstand4]

Nah, not much happening - still no Blue Cherry Filcos so at least be glad you got yours.   When the  Das S ships we'll probably beat up on it for a while.

oh I love my blue cherry no doubt about that. So Das S is the new thing? I gotta catch up on that lol

[watduzhkstand4]

Wait until it ships.  I'm sure something will be off about it.  I have a gut feeling that if anybody can mess up Multimedia keys Metadot can.

Stupid they didn't ship a Tenkeyless version.  They coulda claimed, "LOOK - We invented the Tenkeyless Form Factor!!" and gotten just as much press as the Blank key version.

I agree with you with the whole tenkeyless idea. I don't understand why nobody wants to make tenkeyless =/

[timw4mail]

I agree with you with the whole tenkeyless idea. I don't understand why nobody wants to make tenkeyless =/

And I still don't really understand the overwhelming need for tenkeyless...but to each his own.

[itlnstln]

I like keyboards with smaller form-factors, so I can see the appeal in Tenkeyless versions of keyboards.  Where the Filco fails, IMO, is that there is no virtual numpad like the Topres and IBM Space Savers.

[ds26gte]

And I still don't really understand the overwhelming need for tenkeyless...but to each his own.

A tenkeyless without an embedded numpad is crippled in my book.  A keyboard should have the ability to simulate a pointing (and clicking) device, even if the user prefers to use an actual mouse or trackball for the latter's convenience.

Is there a Mouse Keys-like program that can be used on keyboards without a real or embedded numpad, i.e., by using other keys or keychords?  I've searched around a bit, and these doesn't seem to be such an animal.

[ironcoder]

And I still don't really understand the overwhelming need for tenkeyless...but to each his own.

I felt the same way until I got my first 10keyless. I didn't use the numpad almost all, except for the end key. If you use multiple keyboards on one desk or table the smaller keyboard starts to really help. Unless you're using a really huge desk!

[GGLucas]

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[itlnstln]

Welcome to Geekhack, GGLucas!
 
We need more representation from the Netherlands.  I'm sure you'll fit right in with Webwit.

[GGLucas]

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[sggsix]

I use the left alt/ctrl a lot more than the right alt/ctrl myself.  But, I mainly use my computer for gaming, and typing papers for school.  I am not a programmer.

[itlnstln]

Hi! Geekhack has been a great resource for me in trying to find a good first mechanical keyboard (settled on a filco with blue cherries, waiting for it to arrive). Being in Europe is not very kind to your wallet though ( $50 shipping =\ )

That VAT is a killer.  From time-to-time, I would buy and ship items from here in the US to another member living in the UK to ensure value was accurately reported for VAT purposes.

[microsoft windows]

If I had to pay $50 for shipping for a nice keyboard, I just wouldn't buy it.

[itlnstln]

I wouldn't live in Europe, then.  High shipping seems to be the norm when you include VAT.

[DreymaR]

Is there a Mouse Keys-like program that can be used on keyboards without a real or embedded numpad, i.e., by using other keys or keychords?  I've searched around a bit, and these doesn't seem to be such an animal.

I use the 'unreal' operating system and simulate the simplest mousing in PortableKeyboardLayout's 'extend' mode. In the future, I hope to get multiple 'extend' states so I can implement mousing with different speed multipliers which is key to happy keyboard mousing. For now, it's handy for getting the pointer out of the way or up/down explorer lists. Keyboard autorepeat can be a ***** when key-mousing though.

There are other AutoHotkey implementations of mouse keys, I think. But maybe they all used the NumPad; don't recall. Wouldn't be too hard to tweak that in their source code, but with PKL I'd just use that instead.

[texteur]

I wouldn't live in Europe, then.  High shipping seems to be the norm when you include VAT.

I live in Switzerland. If I buy a Filco from Elite Keyboards, it costs me $50 for shipping and 30-40$ for customs taxes. The same with Model Ms bought on eBay. That sucks, for sure...

[itlnstln]

Universal Health Care or $50 shipping/VAT. Hmm...... tough decision.
 
Good thing the coffee and beer has improved here.

Oh, that wasn't a decision posed for me.  I would much rather enjoy my European beer at the brewery.

[itlnstln]

I really like a lot of the American micro brews.  I do find, though, that American brewers love their hops.  Because of this, I don't drink many American beers during the warmer months here as I don't find hoppy beers particularly "refreshing."  Now that it's getting a little cooler, it might be time to pick up a 6 of Sierra Nevada or Anchor Steam.

[itlnstln]

Look, it's better than the Bud Light everybody drinks here.
 
I still think beers from the UK and Ireland are the best.

[itlnstln]

Nobody drinks that in TX. Bud Light is the national beer of Texas. We have a couple of stores in our chain that have 95% of the beer section as BL and a couple of facings each of regular Bud and Miller Light. Most of our stores have a fairly vast beer selection, especially in Austin.
 
This is the only true Budweiser: