Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 26 June 2020, 05:51:53
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Welcome to the Land of the Morning Calm!
Taegeukgi, which stands for the Flag of South Korea, is a keycap set completely revolving around said flag.
And as its name supposes, the keyset takes advantage of the natural beauty of the original, specified colors from the flag:
PANTONE 186 C (RED) and PANTONE 294 C (BLUE), while adding GMK's WS1 (WHITE) to be the balance between those 2 bold colors.
This set features additional flag- and korean related items:
- The Taegeuk (태극, The traditional Korean Symbol on the Flag)
- The Trigrams (괘, called geon, ri, gam and gon)
- South Koreas national flower (무궁화, Hibiscus syriacus (or Korean Rose))
- Gyeongbokgung (경복궁, former main Royal Palace of Seoul)
- Bune Tal (부네, one of the 12 traditional Hahoe Masks)
I really hope you enjoy this set.
Kits are designed to support as many layouts as possible.
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More
Direct sunlight:
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Cloudy sunlight:
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Artificial light (Cold white light directly above samples):
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Cloudy sunlight:
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Artificial light (Cold white light directly above samples):
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7V by gok
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RAMA U80-A by RAMA WORKS
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aanzee by Cable Car Designs
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Geist by Geistmaschine
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i1 by illuminati.works
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Werk One by werk.technica
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KBBQ
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More
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TAEGEUK
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More
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TRIGRAM
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More
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More
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Salvun (https://www.instagram.com/salvun/)
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Golden Star Keycaps (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/)
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Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/)
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Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur (https://www.keebstuff.com)
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Luxe Cables (https://www.instagram.com/luxecables/)
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SM KEYBOARDS (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/)
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For EU (Mykeyboard.eu) click HERE (https://mykeyboard.eu/catalogue/category/group-buys/gmk-taegeukgi_358/)
For USA (TX Keyboards) click HERE (https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/collections/group-buy/products/gmk-taegeukgi-group-buy)
For CANADA (DeskHero.ca) click HERE (https://www.deskhero.ca/collections/open-group-buys/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For AUSTRALIA (DailyClack) click HERE (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For ASIA (ILUMKB) click HERE (https://ilumkb.com/products/gb-gmk-taegeukgi)
For KOREA (letsgetit.io INTERNATIONAL and DOMESTIC) click HERE (https://letsgetit.io/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For KOREA (cafe.naver.com DOMESTIC) click HERE (https://cafe.naver.com/letsget1t/596)
For USA (TX Keyboards) click HERE (https://www.us.txkeyboards.com/collections/group-buy/products/gmk-taegeukgi-group-buy)
For CANADA (DeskHero.ca) click HERE (https://www.deskhero.ca/collections/open-group-buys/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For AUSTRALIA (DailyClack) click HERE (https://dailyclack.com/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For ASIA (ILUMKB) click HERE (https://ilumkb.com/products/gb-gmk-taegeukgi)
For KOREA (letsgetit.io INTERNATIONAL and DOMESTIC) click HERE (https://letsgetit.io/products/gmk-taegeukgi)
For KOREA (cafe.naver.com DOMESTIC) click HERE (https://cafe.naver.com/letsget1t/596)
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Additional Information about the Keyset and Interest Check:
- GMK's first keyset with Hangul sublegends on numpad
- Double-shot ABS Cherry Profile keycaps set
- High quality manufacturer
- Made in Germany by GMK electronic design GmbH
- High quality 1.5mm thick keycaps
- Color matching will me done to the best of everyones ability
- Colors from renders may differ in the final product
- This Groupbuy is scheduled for October 2020
Deskmat Specifications:
- 900x400x4mm
- Cloth Top & Rubber Bottom
- Stitched edges
To Do List:
- Get quotes from GMK (Quote-request has been sent)
- Announce pricing after
- Wait impatiently until GB while rocking from front to back in chair
Misc.:
- I would appreciate, if you could fill out this INTEREST CHECK FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS), if you are interested in this set.
- If you want to talk about the Set and stay up to date on a daily basis, feel free to join the MyKeyboard.eu DISCORD SERVER (https://discord.gg/CaNbTNk), where this set has a Channel (#ic-gmk-hanguk).
- An INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT (https://www.instagram.com/smokey76228/) has been set of for this set.
If you like this set, please consider putting this image in your signature
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...this is NOT a weeb set
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 26 June 2020, 05:52:44
06/27: Added specific questions about Novelties has been added in the INTEREST CHECK FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS). Also R1 1u Pipe will be added to BIBIMPAP Base Kit.
06/28: First Cable Collaboration announced: Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur (https://www.instagram.com/keebstuff/?hl=en).
06/29: #ic-gmk-hanguk Channel in MyKeyboard.eu DISCORD SERVER (https://discord.gg/CaNbTNk) has been set up.
06/30: Corrected the base kit: a.) Added Row 1 Pipe for split backspace support b.) Color corrected the 1.25u Shift
06/30: An INSTAGRAM ACCOUNT (https://www.instagram.com/smokey76228/) has been set of for this set.
07/2: Second Cable Collaboration announced: Space Cables (https://www.instagram.com/spacecables/).
07/5: Artisan Collaborations with Golden Star Keycaps (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/) and Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/) announced.
07/12: Announced BLACK DAY KIT
07/12: New renders added (i1 by illuminati.works)
07/23: Announced BULGOGI KIT
07/27: Case Collaboration announced: SM KEYBOARDS (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/)
07/29: Deskmats revealed
07/30: Quote-Request to GMK has been sent
08/22: Artisan Collaboration with Salvun (https://www.instagram.com/salvun/) announced
08/22: Artisan prototype picture from Golden Star Keycaps (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/) added
08/22: R4 blue Fn was added to BIBIMBAP KIT
08/22: Color Sample pictures were added
09/03: New renders added (Werk One by werk.technica)
09/04: GB Date announced (October 26th 2020)
09/06: 1u enter in JAPACHAE KIT has been changed to blue, to support right side blue mods on ortholinear layouts
09/07: Corrected the trigram order and added new r4 blue trigram
09/16: JAPCHAE KIT has been rework to suppport more layouts
09/16: ALL KITS ARE FINAL
09/21: Cable prototype pictures from Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur (https://www.instagram.com/keebstuff/) added
09/23: Collaboration with Space Cables cancelled, Collaboration with Luxe Cables (https://www.instagram.com/luxecables/) announced
09/27: Case prototype pictures by SM KEYBOARDS (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/) added
10/02: Deskmat prototypes came in. They look very good.
10/04: Rice Novelty in KIMCHI KIT has been changed. Chopsticks gone. Spoon added.
10/12: Set renamed to GMK TAEGEUKGI
10/12: Kits renamed to match the new name
10/13: New Box Art published
10/13: New Novelty published
10/21: Prices have been announced
Post by: Alessio on Fri, 26 June 2020, 05:53:02
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Post by: Zaum.Tech on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:02:05
Post by: TofuOrganic on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:03:10
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Post by: jani80k on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:04:24
I am a father of three and we do have twins though. ;)
Best of luck with the set!
Those renders look second to none!
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:06:17
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Post by: Francisco on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:09:24
Post by: BapoDonu on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:21:38
Post by: the_mihalich on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:25:44
Post by: Seoulcialite on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:37:01
Post by: Ultimatum on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:38:40
Geunjeongjeon Hall of Gyeongbokgung Palace
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Mugunghwa
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Taegeuggi
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Bibimbap
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:54:49
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 26 June 2020, 06:59:25
It would be cool if you were open to making the white standard WS1. Not sure how different it is to the Pantone you have chosen but using that standard colour would probably boost the sales of the child kits as they would be nice add-ons for other monochrome kits.
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Hey buddy! It is WS1 ;)
Maybe look at the "COLORS" Picture in the "KITS" Section again.
Post by: Mc Eggroll on Fri, 26 June 2020, 07:08:05
Post by: Lyle88 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 07:51:14
DerrpIt would be cool if you were open to making the white standard WS1. Not sure how different it is to the Pantone you have chosen but using that standard colour would probably boost the sales of the child kits as they would be nice add-ons for other monochrome kits.
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Hey buddy! It is WS1 ;)
Maybe look at the "COLORS" Picture in the "KITS" Section again.
I saw the Pantone swatch and automatically assumed custom colours. Nice, will prob jump in on a couple of kits then 
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Post by: SxM Designs on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:02:14
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:12:03
I do think the red mods would look better with icon+text legends, though.
Just my 2₩. Again, the set looks good overall!
Post by: HODO on Fri, 26 June 2020, 08:26:28
Post by: supern00b on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:02:03
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:09:23
Post by: VXQN on Fri, 26 June 2020, 10:49:45
I think Hiragana sublegends might look better, honestly. Why didn't you just make this a Japan-themed set? Japanese themes have way more versatility, whereas Korean only have 1 colorway which pretty much looks like USA. How would you know that this was a Korean theme without the hangul and novelties?
High level trolling, almost got me there.
Post by: BloodyMarvel on Fri, 26 June 2020, 11:10:02
| R2: | ||| | 8 | ¦|¦ |
| R3: | 4 | yin yang | 6 |
| R4: | |¦| | 2 | ¦¦¦ |
2, 4, 6, 8. Who do we appreciate?
Post by: Bitmxp on Fri, 26 June 2020, 11:32:29
just joking, it's a really nice colorway!
Post by: rpiguy9907 on Fri, 26 June 2020, 12:31:15
Monochrome kit would be nice and extra classy. The modifiers are a bit loud for me.
Post by: GaNeBaL on Fri, 26 June 2020, 17:39:50
Would you consider Icon and Text style modifiers?+1 to this, maybe hangul mods?
always nice to see more hangul sets.
Post by: frankfrankfrank on Fri, 26 June 2020, 17:47:50
Post by: LightningXI on Fri, 26 June 2020, 17:59:21
1u \ is also missing.
Post by: Ultimatum on Fri, 26 June 2020, 20:35:57
How cool would it be if you could simulate the Korean flag on the numpad?
R2: ||| ¦|¦ R3:
yangR4: |¦| ¦¦¦
2, 4, 6, 8. Who do we appreciate?
(https://i.pinimg.com/originals/36/f9/ec/36f9ecbfbd9d8f3cfbc9eef6e1c44ffa.png)
How about this?
Post by: udller on Fri, 26 June 2020, 20:49:24
Post by: Shiro on Fri, 26 June 2020, 23:05:33
Post by: fabijolo on Fri, 26 June 2020, 23:47:15
it might just be my monitor (always hard to tell) but is it just me or is the red a little on the pink side? I wish it was just slightly darker, otherwise I love it.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 27 June 2020, 08:45:30
I am listening closely!
I added specific questions about Novelties and possible Novelty ISO ENTER Color in the Interest Check Form. Also R1 1u Pipe will be added to BIBIMPAP Base Kit.
Cheers!
Post by: yuuS0cut3 on Sat, 27 June 2020, 13:20:07
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 27 June 2020, 15:29:26
Why 1,25u Shift in the base kit is blue, while the rest of modifiers of 60% are red ?
Will be changed. Slipped through...
Post by: dollhouse on Sat, 27 June 2020, 16:43:24
Post by: Tarek on Sat, 27 June 2020, 16:59:44
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 27 June 2020, 17:58:17
I am very honored and proud to announce the first Collaboration of this Keyset:
Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur
After GMK Masterpiece, GMK Lux and GMK Sumi, I was able to win him over for GMK Hanguk. He is doing an awesome job and I am looking forward to work with him to figure out 2 designs for Custom Cables.
Check out some of his work:
Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur
After GMK Masterpiece, GMK Lux and GMK Sumi, I was able to win him over for GMK Hanguk. He is doing an awesome job and I am looking forward to work with him to figure out 2 designs for Custom Cables.
Check out some of his work:
(https://i.imgur.com/jAh0Nlq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/ApgnKUd.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/OUkSAWM.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ka0ISf9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5nJtCNT.jpg)
...and more on his INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/keebstuff/?hl=en)
Post by: Crack85 on Sat, 27 June 2020, 19:26:34
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Post by: Jaxxstatic on Sun, 28 June 2020, 00:10:44
Like this:
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Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Post by: bow3i on Sun, 28 June 2020, 10:58:34
Post by: amuri99 on Sun, 28 June 2020, 18:08:20
But I think it would be prettier if it was a composition that could make the entire Taegeukgi using the novelty kit. :-* :-*
Post by: Bonsa on Sun, 28 June 2020, 18:24:34
Fantastic colorway honestly. But, I feel like Hangul legends as opposed to sub legends might work better if it’s possible
+1 on this. But we're probably a minority.
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 28 June 2020, 21:13:14
Post by: itsbeard on Sun, 28 June 2020, 22:01:45
Fantastic colorway honestly. But, I feel like Hangul legends as opposed to sub legends might work better if it’s possible
+1 on this. But we're probably a minority.
+2 but I'll take either honestly
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 29 June 2020, 02:02:10
Why 1,25u Shift in the base kit is blue, while the rest of modifiers of 60% are red ?
Of course, the blue 1.25u Shift in BIBIMBAP Base Kit will be recolored red. That just slipped through somehow.
...and I heard each and every one of you wanting some "black" in the set. That is one of the most wanted additions in IC FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS), too.
Post by: minefan006 on Mon, 29 June 2020, 05:05:33
Please consider using native instead of sino numbers on the numpad.Agree with the 한/영. Black inclusion would be nice as well. Personally I dont really like the korean on the numpad, doesn't really serve a purpose and feels like extra clutter or me.
Like this:
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Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Post by: LightningXI on Mon, 29 June 2020, 05:23:32
Agreed with all of this. Also feel like the sublegends on numpad are simply cluttery and would best look removed.Please consider using native instead of sino numbers on the numpad.Agree with the 한/영. Black inclusion would be nice as well. Personally I dont really like the korean on the numpad, doesn't really serve a purpose and feels like extra clutter or me.
Like this:
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Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Post by: Francisco on Mon, 29 June 2020, 06:15:57
That's the feature I love the most!
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 29 June 2020, 06:21:39
Don't remove Hangul from the NumPad!
That's the feature I love the most!
I can guarantee you this will not happen.
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 30 June 2020, 01:48:43
Hi everyone.
The BIBIMBAP - Base Kit has been corrected.
- Added Row 1 1u Pipe to support split backspace
- Corrected the color of the 1.25u Shift, that slipped through on the first render
The BIBIMBAP - Base Kit has been corrected.
- Added Row 1 1u Pipe to support split backspace
- Corrected the color of the 1.25u Shift, that slipped through on the first render
(https://i.imgur.com/Gw7PPPF.jpg)
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 30 June 2020, 12:47:34
Hi everyone.
The BIBIMBAP - Base Kit has been corrected.
- Added Row 1 1u Pipe to support split backspace
- Corrected the color of the 1.25u Shift, that slipped through on the first renderShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DlGbV9C.png)
The R1 1u \| key needs to be alpha-colored (white).
Also, I recommend removing the sublegend on that key for a cleaner look, as it would otherwise be the only key on the number row with a sublegend.
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 01 July 2020, 02:29:17
Hi everyone.
The BIBIMBAP - Base Kit has been corrected.
- Added Row 1 1u Pipe to support split backspace
- Corrected the color of the 1.25u Shift, that slipped through on the first renderShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/DlGbV9C.png)
The R1 1u \| key needs to be alpha-colored (white).
Also, I recommend removing the sublegend on that key for a cleaner look, as it would otherwise be the only key on the number row with a sublegend.
Fixed, ofc.
₩ will stay on there to not lose the streamline.
Post by: prizeS on Wed, 01 July 2020, 03:30:04
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 01 July 2020, 17:25:19
I am very honored and proud to announce the second, F****N STELLAR Collaboration of this Keyset:
SPACE CABLES
Together we will bring you some really awesome color combination custom cables to go along with GMK Hanguk.
Stay tuned while the prototypes are being build. They will be presented here, once they're ready to share with you guys!
I don't think they need any further introduction, but check out their WEBSITE (https://spaceholdings.net/) and INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/spacecables/).
SPACE CABLES
Together we will bring you some really awesome color combination custom cables to go along with GMK Hanguk.
Stay tuned while the prototypes are being build. They will be presented here, once they're ready to share with you guys!
I don't think they need any further introduction, but check out their WEBSITE (https://spaceholdings.net/) and INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/spacecables/).
Post by: kimchijody on Wed, 01 July 2020, 23:03:18
Post by: bow3i on Thu, 02 July 2020, 06:13:53
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 02 July 2020, 06:18:41
I think the kit could use some black, to be honest
...and I heard each and every one of you wanting some "black" in the set. That is one of the most wanted additions in IC FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS), too.
Post by: Peripheral Prophet on Sat, 04 July 2020, 14:05:01
Post by: Herr.Gran on Sun, 05 July 2020, 07:59:10
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 06 July 2020, 05:53:51
Today I would like to announce 2 awesome Artisan Collaborations for GMK Hanguk:
GOLDEN STAR KEYCAPS
The guys over at GSK will create their awesome LAHAN (https://imgur.com/gallery/kql0neb) Character in a GMK Hanguk Colorway. I specifically picked LAHAN (https://imgur.com/gallery/kql0neb) since I think it fits the asian vibe of my Set perfectly.
A prototype is in the works at the moment and the picture of it will be presented here, once it's ready to share with you guys!
Check out their INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/).
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ARTKEY UNIVERSE
These incredible artists will contribute not only 1, but 3 Artisans to go along with GMK Hanguk: Their famous Characters BULL V2 (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=bull-v2&page=1), SIRIUS (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=sirius&page=1) and DEVOURER (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=devourer&page=1).
Here, prototypes are expected in late August and, of course, I will share them with you as soon as they are available.
Check out their INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/), as well.
For me, it is absolutely incredible to collaborate with such amazing artists like GSK and ARTKEY UNIVERSE and I feel extremely humbled and proud that they chose to collab with me on this.
THANK YOU
GOLDEN STAR KEYCAPS
(https://i.imgur.com/U7LmY6Z.png)
The guys over at GSK will create their awesome LAHAN (https://imgur.com/gallery/kql0neb) Character in a GMK Hanguk Colorway. I specifically picked LAHAN (https://imgur.com/gallery/kql0neb) since I think it fits the asian vibe of my Set perfectly.
A prototype is in the works at the moment and the picture of it will be presented here, once it's ready to share with you guys!
Check out their INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/).
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ARTKEY UNIVERSE
(https://i.imgur.com/USJx7qK.png)
These incredible artists will contribute not only 1, but 3 Artisans to go along with GMK Hanguk: Their famous Characters BULL V2 (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=bull-v2&page=1), SIRIUS (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=sirius&page=1) and DEVOURER (https://artkeyuniverse.com/gallery?pid=devourer&page=1).
Here, prototypes are expected in late August and, of course, I will share them with you as soon as they are available.
Check out their INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/), as well.
For me, it is absolutely incredible to collaborate with such amazing artists like GSK and ARTKEY UNIVERSE and I feel extremely humbled and proud that they chose to collab with me on this.
THANK YOU
Post by: Robertg63 on Mon, 06 July 2020, 13:13:47
Post by: cadrev on Tue, 07 July 2020, 06:55:39
Post by: konstantin on Wed, 08 July 2020, 19:01:42
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 09 July 2020, 01:55:33
Consider including 한/영 and 한자 sublegends on the right Alt and right Control keys, respectively. See the GMK Red Devils base kit (https://i.imgur.com/0re5IM0.png) for an example.
The modifiers will remain clean as they are.
Fredington is a cool guy and he definitely knows what he's doing, but that's just not my cup of tea.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 12 July 2020, 05:09:48
Since the INTEREST CHECK FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS) was literally blowing up with many of you wanting some "black" in this set, I would like to introduce the "BLACK DAY KIT" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Day_(South_Korea)).
Black Day is a unofficial holiday in South Korea and I think the name fits in more than one way. First, and obvious enough, the color of the kit. Second, the holiday in Korea is associated with Valentine's Day, but is for everyone that didn't receive a gift on that day.
This is for everyone of you wanting some black in GMK Hanguk and didn't receive it, yet.
So here is your very own "BLACK DAY":
Black Day is a unofficial holiday in South Korea and I think the name fits in more than one way. First, and obvious enough, the color of the kit. Second, the holiday in Korea is associated with Valentine's Day, but is for everyone that didn't receive a gift on that day.
This is for everyone of you wanting some black in GMK Hanguk and didn't receive it, yet.
So here is your very own "BLACK DAY":
(https://i.imgur.com/GhSRxFm.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/4qbvih4.png)
i1 by illuminati.works
(https://i.imgur.com/9TJH1Bi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Igtt4OO.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/utZxnk6.jpg)
There were so many people who had the same wish, so I just could not unhear that.
I decided not to blow up the BASE and NOVELTY Kits any further, but now everyone who wants black accent keys can have them in this set.
I hope you enjoy...
I decided not to blow up the BASE and NOVELTY Kits any further, but now everyone who wants black accent keys can have them in this set.
I hope you enjoy...
Post by: Kev_TKL on Sun, 12 July 2020, 17:11:06
Post by: konstantin on Sun, 12 July 2020, 19:01:28
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 16 July 2020, 14:03:09
Hi everybody. Time for the next announcement.
Here is the final BOX ART for GMK Hanguk.
I am very happy to be able show this to you:
I hope you enjoy this as much as I do...
Here is the final BOX ART for GMK Hanguk.
I am very happy to be able show this to you:
(https://i.imgur.com/7ndOU3D.png)
I hope you enjoy this as much as I do...
Post by: Francisco on Thu, 16 July 2020, 15:59:14
Please consider using native instead of sino numbers on the numpad.
Like this:
(Attachment Link)
Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Do these mono-legend Korean alpha caps actually exist? If so, any info?
(Or is this pic just a mock-up/render)
Thanks
(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107143.0;attach=245904;image)
Post by: konstantin on Thu, 16 July 2020, 20:50:10
Do these mono-legend Korean alpha caps actually exist? If so, any info?
(Or is this pic just a mock-up/render)
ThanksShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107143.0;attach=245904;image)
It's a real photo for sure. I think that may be a custom dye sub job. I haven't seen caps like that before, and they're using an uncommon (super old-school) style of lettering for the main alpha legends, as well as native Korean numerals.
Anyway, KAT Monochrome is going to have a Hangul alphas kit similar to that, but no Hangul mods.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 17 July 2020, 01:24:24
Do these mono-legend Korean alpha caps actually exist? If so, any info?
(Or is this pic just a mock-up/render)
ThanksShow Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=107143.0;attach=245904;image)
Do these mono-legend Korean alpha caps actually exist? If so, any info?
(Or is this pic just a mock-up/render)
Thanks
It's a real photo for sure. I think that may be a custom dye sub job. I haven't seen caps like that before, and they're using an uncommon (super old-school) style of lettering for the main alpha legends, as well as native Korean numerals.
Anyway, KAT Monochrome is going to have a Hangul alphas kit similar to that, but no Hangul mods.
M-Stone 훈민정음 PBT dye subs
https://www.coupang.com/vp/products/55234990?vendorItemId=3455563823&isAddedCart=
https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/cxtiyj/jane_ce_with_mstone_%ED%9B%88%EB%AF%BC%EC%A0%95%EC%9D%8C_pbt_keycaps/
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 17 July 2020, 01:37:52
(...)Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Consider including 한/영 and 한자 sublegends on the right Alt and right Control keys, respectively. (...)
Those will not be put in the Base Kit, but you can expect something regarding those...
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 23 July 2020, 14:30:07
Time for a new announcement:
BULGOGI Kit will be added to the lineup of kits for GMK Hanguk: A Hangul Mono kit including 한/영 and 한자 for CTRL and ALT.
And, an additional B of course :)
(https://i.imgur.com/6WnDCaE.png)
I hope you enjoy!
BULGOGI Kit will be added to the lineup of kits for GMK Hanguk: A Hangul Mono kit including 한/영 and 한자 for CTRL and ALT.
And, an additional B of course :)
(https://i.imgur.com/6WnDCaE.png)
I hope you enjoy!
Post by: lvl2cow on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:13:50
Please consider using native instead of sino numbers on the numpad.i'd pay for this
Like this:
(Attachment Link)
Also, the 한/영 on Alt and 한자 on Ctrl--like what GMK Red Devil is doing--that would be wonderful.
Post by: Francisco on Thu, 23 July 2020, 15:19:51
Time for a new announcement:
BULGOGI Kit will be added to the lineup of kits for GMK Hanguk: A Hangul Mono kit including 한/영 and 한자 for CTRL and ALT.
And, an additional B of course :)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/72mx1yr.png)
I hope you enjoy!
GMK style Korean mono just doesn't work for me. The mono legends are too small and the R2 row is basically backwards in the sense that the double legends should be flipped up to the top of the cap in the traditional shift position.
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 27 July 2020, 03:04:02
Update time again. I am very proud to announce the next collaboration for GMK Hanguk:
SM KEYBOARDS
SM KEYBOARDS
(https://i.imgur.com/AS969vU.png)
I am very excited for this collaboration.
Sam is an incredible designer specialized in building custom acrylic cases. He is kind enough to build some cases tailored to GMK Hanguk.
I am absolutely pumped and looking forward to bringing the korean feeling of the keycap set over to a case.
Make sure to check out his INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/?hl=en) for some awesome acrylic cases.
THANK YOU, Sam.
Sam is an incredible designer specialized in building custom acrylic cases. He is kind enough to build some cases tailored to GMK Hanguk.
I am absolutely pumped and looking forward to bringing the korean feeling of the keycap set over to a case.
Make sure to check out his INSTAGRAM (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/?hl=en) for some awesome acrylic cases.
THANK YOU, Sam.
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 27 July 2020, 03:16:08
Deskmats are coming soon. I am in the middle of finalizing designs and start the render process.
Prototypes are beeing ordered immidiately after...
I think they turned out awesome and I hope you enjoy them as much as me!
Post by: Zealousy on Mon, 27 July 2020, 05:17:44
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 29 July 2020, 15:31:16
Deskmat reveal time!
KBBQ
Inspired by Korean BBQ I wanted to have an artistically drawn deskmat! It turned out exactly how I wanted!
I love it so much and I hope you do, too!
(https://i.imgur.com/rjC86QZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1xQ8Kuq.jpg)
TAEGEUK
Nothing much to say here. Just plain and simple KOREA. For all those who love dark and simple Deskmats. Clean design.
(https://i.imgur.com/LEheTs7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HYWClGG.jpg)
TRIGRAM
For all the Pattern-deskmat-lovers. Here is your deskmat! Simple, and again clean design. This deskmat features the korean trigrams in a pattern print.
(https://i.imgur.com/WTwbGXa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Bfm4uI.jpg)
KBBQ
Inspired by Korean BBQ I wanted to have an artistically drawn deskmat! It turned out exactly how I wanted!
I love it so much and I hope you do, too!
(https://i.imgur.com/rjC86QZ.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1xQ8Kuq.jpg)
TAEGEUK
Nothing much to say here. Just plain and simple KOREA. For all those who love dark and simple Deskmats. Clean design.
(https://i.imgur.com/LEheTs7.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/HYWClGG.jpg)
TRIGRAM
For all the Pattern-deskmat-lovers. Here is your deskmat! Simple, and again clean design. This deskmat features the korean trigrams in a pattern print.
(https://i.imgur.com/WTwbGXa.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9Bfm4uI.jpg)
- 900x400x4mm
- Cloth Top & Rubber Bottom
- Stitched edges
Post by: Dunzos on Wed, 29 July 2020, 16:30:43
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 29 July 2020, 20:23:28
Deskmat reveal time!
KBBQ
Inspired by Korean BBQ I wanted to have an artistically drawn deskmat! It turned out exactly how I wanted!
I love it so much and I hope you do, too!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/DWe6pEE.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/7jlWjtO.jpg)
TAEGEUK
Nothing much to say here. Just plain and simple KOREA. For all those who love dark and simple Deskmats. Clean design.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Ujdlw46.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/CSNGY2W.jpg)
TRIGRAM
For all the Pattern-deskmat-lovers. Here is your deskmat! Simple, and again clean design. This deskmat features the korean trigrams in a pattern print.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/TbVL7Cx.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/GBqJ53E.jpg)All deskmats are 900mm x 400mm x 4mm
Will the TRIGRAM deskmat be left with the 스모키 printing on it?
It looks really neat and balanced, and I honestly think the light grey breaks the look.
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 30 July 2020, 02:49:05
Will the TRIGRAM deskmat be left with the 스모키 printing on it?
It looks really neat and balanced, and I honestly think the light grey breaks the look.
In fact, this (on this specific deskmat) is the only thing on all deskmats that worries me a little bit. Not because of the color, but the size.
Prototypes of the mats have been ordered and I will review and decide accordingly.
But imho a small thing like that should not break the look. But as I said, it might go.
***EDIT***
You know what?
Logo will be deleted everywhere!
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 30 July 2020, 07:05:36
Post by: LightningXI on Thu, 30 July 2020, 09:28:22
Logos have been deleted everywhere!
Count me in for at least two of those deskmats.
Post by: AT on Sat, 01 August 2020, 01:42:22
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 01 August 2020, 04:16:26
Explanation:
- Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards. They are only useful on a limited number of 40% ortho layouts.
- Many people like to use R4 1u Fn on the bottom of their right column on 65%/75% boards. Since the rest of the right column mods are blue, there needs to also be a blue R4 1u Fn key; the set currently only includes a red one.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 01 August 2020, 14:08:55
One change I would recommend making to the base kit is to swap the second R4 1u Ctrl out for a blue R4 1u Fn.
Explanation:
- Two 1u Ctrl keys are not used on any modern ≥60% boards. They are only useful on a limited number of 40% ortho layouts.
- Many people like to use R4 1u Fn on the bottom of their right column on 65%/75% boards. Since the rest of the right column mods are blue, there needs to also be a blue R4 1u Fn key; the set currently only includes a red one.
That sounds like a very reasonable suggestion. Thank you for that.
I will not switch, but add a blue R4 1u Fn, to keep the G80-1800 7 x 1u BR compat.
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 01 August 2020, 16:03:50
That sounds like a very reasonable suggestion. Thank you for that.
I will not switch, but add a blue R4 1u Fn, to keep the G80-1800 7 x 1u BR compat.
Sounds good. Another use case for the blue 1u Fn that I forgot to mention is that it can be used together with the red 1u Fn as Lower/Raise keys for ortho layouts.
And speaking of ortho layouts: since the only way to outfit a Planck and similar boards without getting the novelties is to use blue mods on the right half (blue Fn as Raise, blue arrow keys, blue R1 Delete as Bksp), I suggest changing the red R4 1u Enter key in the Japchae kit to blue.
Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 09 August 2020, 15:43:07
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Post by: kimchijody on Sun, 09 August 2020, 22:38:06
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 15 August 2020, 07:25:43
On the kbbq deskmat I can't tell what the orange-ish dish is exactly. I would assume it's kimchi but it also might be chap chae or kimchi bindaettuk. Just asking for clarification for myself.
It is whatever you want it to be :-)
(Intention was Kimchi indeed)
General status update:
- Quote-Request to GMK has been sent
- I am on vacation right now and will have some updates around August 23rd
Cheers
Post by: sirm1ster on Tue, 18 August 2020, 04:25:03
Maybe an idea to put the trigrams there instead? I don't know how far the designs have been finalized/locked, and being a fresh newby here on the forum I don't know what the general way of feedback is.
Post by: udller on Tue, 18 August 2020, 08:23:50
Post by: wynects on Tue, 18 August 2020, 10:47:54
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 22 August 2020, 15:02:53
after being on vacation for over 3 weeks now, I have a lot of stuff to share with you :)
I hope you enjoy:
1
I am very thrilled to announce another Collaboration: Salvun (https://www.instagram.com/salvun/).
He did an absolutely amazing job with the Artisan, as always! It turned out just the way I wanted it to.
Thank you both Stormlex, for helping me with the graphic and kwerdenker, for that absolutely incredible picture.
(https://i.imgur.com/2NXxHll.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/z4aC96P.jpg)
2
The prototype from Golden Star Keycaps (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/) came in.
It looks absolutely stunning, too. May I present to you: HANGUK LAHAN:
(https://i.imgur.com/U7LmY6Z.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EMGBFDG.png)
3
After a very good suggestion, a R4 blue Fn was added to support bottom right column on 65% / 75% layouts and blue Fn / red Fn as Lower / Raise keys for ortho layouts.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gw7PPPF.jpg)
4
I took some good pictures of the color samples today:
Direct sunlight:
(https://i.imgur.com/lbFzAUe.jpg)
Cloudy sunlight:
(https://i.imgur.com/K7H6Xm8.jpg)
Artificial light (Cold white light directly above samples):
(https://i.imgur.com/haVafjD.jpg)
5
Deskmat Samples have been ordered and are on the way to me right now. I will post pictures once they arrived.
I am very thrilled to announce another Collaboration: Salvun (https://www.instagram.com/salvun/).
He did an absolutely amazing job with the Artisan, as always! It turned out just the way I wanted it to.
Thank you both Stormlex, for helping me with the graphic and kwerdenker, for that absolutely incredible picture.
(https://i.imgur.com/2NXxHll.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/z4aC96P.jpg)
2
The prototype from Golden Star Keycaps (https://www.instagram.com/goldenstar_keycap/) came in.
It looks absolutely stunning, too. May I present to you: HANGUK LAHAN:
(https://i.imgur.com/U7LmY6Z.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/EMGBFDG.png)
3
After a very good suggestion, a R4 blue Fn was added to support bottom right column on 65% / 75% layouts and blue Fn / red Fn as Lower / Raise keys for ortho layouts.
(https://i.imgur.com/Gw7PPPF.jpg)
4
I took some good pictures of the color samples today:
Direct sunlight:
(https://i.imgur.com/lbFzAUe.jpg)
Cloudy sunlight:
(https://i.imgur.com/K7H6Xm8.jpg)
Artificial light (Cold white light directly above samples):
(https://i.imgur.com/haVafjD.jpg)
5
Deskmat Samples have been ordered and are on the way to me right now. I will post pictures once they arrived.
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 22 August 2020, 16:50:14
3
After a very good suggestion, a R4 blue Fn was added to support bottom right column on 65% / 75% layouts and blue Fn / red Fn as Lower / Raise keys for ortho layouts.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/5kjWIWt.png)
Don't forget about this ;)
And speaking of ortho layouts: since the only way [...] is to use blue mods on the right half [...], I suggest changing the red R4 1u Enter key in the Japchae kit to blue.
Post by: The.Ryan.Gamer on Tue, 25 August 2020, 13:16:54
If this is indeed going to Ilumkb, i'll definitely COP!
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 25 August 2020, 13:18:14
Good Choice for Asia Vendor. I see it on Keycap Calendar, it says Ilumkb? Can you confirm this?
If this is indeed going to Ilumkb, i'll definitely COP!
See page 1 - vendor section!
It is ilumkb, indeed.
Post by: foureyechinaguy on Sun, 30 August 2020, 11:34:22
Post by: Fjällräv on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:11:05
Post by: cadrev on Sun, 30 August 2020, 12:58:22
Post by: jdecker on Sun, 30 August 2020, 13:35:01
Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 30 August 2020, 14:07:10
wish the white wasn't a subtle cream color so it would match e-white cases
WS1, in my eyes, is not a "subtle cream".
I personally think it fits way better on an e-white board than WS2, for example.
WS1 is still considered "white", just not as "cold" as WS2.
Here's an example of WS1 (GMK Minimal) on an e-white Polaris:
(https://i.redd.it/2h7kt5ie8cq41.jpg)
I think that fits wonderful.
Post by: marksmanonthego on Sun, 30 August 2020, 14:27:09
Post by: jdecker on Sun, 30 August 2020, 15:33:46
wish the white wasn't a subtle cream color so it would match e-white cases
WS1, in my eyes, is not a "subtle cream".
I personally think it fits way better on an e-white board than WS2, for example.
WS1 is still considered "white", just not as "cold" as WS2.
Here's an example of WS1 (GMK Minimal) on an e-white Polaris:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/2h7kt5ie8cq41.jpg)
I think that fits wonderful.
that does look nice. i just can't not see ws1 as a creamier. i guess i'm also just picky because i've always associated the ROK flag white with a colder white. great looking set regardless.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 30 August 2020, 15:51:45
wish the white wasn't a subtle cream color so it would match e-white cases
WS1, in my eyes, is not a "subtle cream".
I personally think it fits way better on an e-white board than WS2, for example.
WS1 is still considered "white", just not as "cold" as WS2.
Here's an example of WS1 (GMK Minimal) on an e-white Polaris:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/2h7kt5ie8cq41.jpg)
I think that fits wonderful.
that does look nice. i just can't not see ws1 as a creamier. i guess i'm also just picky because i've always associated the ROK flag white with a colder white. great looking set regardless.
To be honest, that is a very misleading picture you posted.
I have a GMK Color Ring in front of me right now, and I can tell you it has no "creamy" tint to it as in this picture.
The Korean Flag indeed is white, but more WS1 white than WS2 white, which is, as I said, very "cold" and almost has a slight "blue-ish" tint to it.
Post by: konstantin on Tue, 01 September 2020, 05:48:01
WS1, in my eyes, is not a "subtle cream".
I personally think it fits way better on an e-white board than WS2, for example.
WS1 is still considered "white", just not as "cold" as WS2.
Here's an example of WS1 (GMK Minimal) on an e-white Polaris:Show Image(https://i.redd.it/2h7kt5ie8cq41.jpg)
I think that fits wonderful.
Agree. E-white finishes can vary from manu to manu and from keyboard to keyboard, but in my experience it's usually closer to WS1 than WS2. I think Keyreative's stock white (the one used in KAT Alpha and KAT Milkshake) might be an even better match to your average e-white finish than WS1 is.
Post by: Lastpadawan on Wed, 02 September 2020, 23:44:32
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 03 September 2020, 14:01:03
Here are some new renders for your viewing pleasure.
I am most excited to see Hanguk on this incredible board by my good friends over there.
If you want to see more, go check it out on their INSTAGRAM (https://instagram.com/werk.technica).
In addition, the renders show off the awesome Artisan made by Salvun. (https://instagram.com/salvun)
I am most excited to see Hanguk on this incredible board by my good friends over there.
If you want to see more, go check it out on their INSTAGRAM (https://instagram.com/werk.technica).
In addition, the renders show off the awesome Artisan made by Salvun. (https://instagram.com/salvun)
Werk One by werk.technica
(https://i.imgur.com/nDieMG0.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/lmyEHq5.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/UirqrBH.png)
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 04 September 2020, 04:38:54
(https://i.imgur.com/p9u2cek.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/miJ8pXt.png)
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 04 September 2020, 07:41:00
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 08:21:21
Yeah this looks really nice, out of curiosity would having one of those R4 1u novelties be a blue key a possibility? To populate keyboards with the macro rows on the side with a column of blue keys and a column of red keys. ;)
One of them is already blue, no?
Although this user asked for one more in R4 1u blue:
How possible is it to have 1 more R4 1u that is colored blue for the Novelties? Like maybe change one of the reds for the blue?so maybe it would make sense to add a second one.
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 04 September 2020, 15:59:34
Yeah this looks really nice, out of curiosity would having one of those R4 1u novelties be a blue key a possibility? To populate keyboards with the macro rows on the side with a column of blue keys and a column of red keys. ;)
One of them is already blue, no?
Although this user asked for one more in R4 1u blue:How possible is it to have 1 more R4 1u that is colored blue for the Novelties? Like maybe change one of the reds for the blue?so maybe it would make sense to add a second one.
Oh yeah one of them is blue but for example for a Zenith having a second blue one would allow to have one entire column of blue keys on the macros which would be really cool.
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 17:17:19
Oh yeah one of them is blue but for example for a Zenith having a second blue one would allow to have one entire column of blue keys on the macros which would be really cool.
Ah, I see what you mean! The extra blue key would be for keyboards that have 2 columns and 5 rows instead of 4 rows :)
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 04 September 2020, 19:39:36
Oh yeah one of them is blue but for example for a Zenith having a second blue one would allow to have one entire column of blue keys on the macros which would be really cool.
Ah, I see what you mean! The extra blue key would be for keyboards that have 2 columns and 5 rows instead of 4 rows :)
Yeah that's what I was going for I should have made it more clear. I think having that extra key will allow to fill up those 5 key columns. I'm possibly just biased because I have a Zenith coming ;D
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 19:44:50
Yeah that's what I was going for I should have made it more clear. I think having that extra key will allow to fill up those 5 key columns. I'm possibly just biased because I have a Zenith coming ;D
I think that's a reasonable suggestion :) Perhaps two Taegeuk novelties like these could also be added on R4? Bonus: they would double as Taegeuk 1u winkeys. That could look awesome on an HHKB board!
(https://i.imgur.com/0tPQv1Q.png)
Something for Smokey to consider.
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 04 September 2020, 19:47:32
Yeah that's what I was going for I should have made it more clear. I think having that extra key will allow to fill up those 5 key columns. I'm possibly just biased because I have a Zenith coming ;D
I think that's a reasonable suggestion :) Perhaps two Taegeuk novelties like these could also be added on R4? Bonus: they would double as Taegeuk 1u winkeys. That could look awesome on an HHKB board!Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0tPQv1Q.png)
Something for Smokey to consider.
ohhhh you're right that would actually look really good that's a pretty good idea :thumb: definitely something Smokey could consider it'd be a really cool look
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 04 September 2020, 19:58:08
(https://i.imgur.com/mHvQqjB.png)
And instead add something like this on R4:
(https://i.imgur.com/LwHOjqg.png)
This would let you cover 5-row macro clusters like on the Zenith, as well as allow you to have blue Taegeuk winkeys on HHKB bottom rows:
1u Taegeuk — 1.5u Alt or Palace — 7u space — 1.5u Alt or Palace — 1u Taegeuk
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Fri, 04 September 2020, 21:12:25
In fact, my suggestion would then be to drop these three extra red R4 1u trigram novelties:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/mHvQqjB.png)
And instead add something like this on R4:Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LwHOjqg.png)
This would let you cover 5-row macro clusters like on the Zenith, as well as allow you to have blue Taegeuk winkeys on HHKB bottom rows:
1u Taegeuk — 1.5u Alt or Palace — 7u space — 1.5u Alt or Palace — 1u Taegeuk
Ohh I like how you think that is actually a really cool idea, the only question is whether that would fit within Smokey's concept and his vision for the set because in the end that is the most important part. If it does I'd love to see something like that. :thumb:
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 05 September 2020, 16:41:16
Cool ideas and all, but that goes a little too far for me. And more people will actually need/use the R4 trigrams. Me included.
But I will change the 1u enter key in JAPCHAE kit to blue in a timely manner.
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Sat, 05 September 2020, 21:00:26
The trigrams are pretty cool. Having a blue one to match the red ones in a column would be cool but understandable about keeping it as is. :thumb:
Quick Edit: Though I do have a cool idea I want to try with the set. Also really awesome job, this set is beautiful.
Post by: konstantin on Sat, 05 September 2020, 22:11:13
Guuuuuys, hold your horses ;)
Cool ideas and all, but that goes a little too far for me. And more people will actually need/use the R4 trigrams. Me included.
But I will change the 1u enter key in JAPCHAE kit to blue in a timely manner.
Cutting the R4 trigrams isn't a must. Consider adding the R4 keys a separate suggestion. Thare's a couple of people that have asked for it.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 06 September 2020, 05:43:10
1u enter in JAPACHAE KIT has been changed to blue, to support right side blue mods on ortholinear layouts. Made sense!
(https://i.imgur.com/0cTT0Ig.png)
Rearding the Novelties:
It's not that edgecase-y like I thought, tbh.
More keyboards than I initially thought support a 10key macro layout (Zenith, J-01, Jubi, 60XT etc.). I see that as pretty reasonable.
In addition, molds which already have been made ran be re-used in different rows. I am thinking about it.
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 07 September 2020, 01:46:13
the Novelties have been reworked to some extent.
Thank you very much konstantin for our awesome chat yesterday. You've been very helpful.
TL;DR - A r4 blue geon trigram has been added.
Here are the final Novelties:
(https://i.imgur.com/4FeCmAj.png)
Explanation (usecases):
1. Trigram change of order:
(https://i.imgur.com/dI0siX8.png)
2. Novelties Setup (and ofc 65%/75% right column Layout Support, Esc & F13 Support etc.)
(https://i.imgur.com/EwUqcv7.png)
3. 4 Row Macro Layout Support
(https://i.imgur.com/KdTQVIz.png)
4. 5 Row Macro Layout Support
(https://i.imgur.com/ZlfJtFC.png)
5. HHKB Layout Support
(https://i.imgur.com/japUO8X.png)
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Mon, 07 September 2020, 01:58:35
Thank you so much for taking that into consideration and adding it into the kit.
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Post by: konstantin on Mon, 07 September 2020, 05:25:38
Hi everybody,
the Novelties have been reworked to some extent.
Thank you very much konstantin for our awesome chat yesterday. You've been very helpful.
TL;DR - A r4 blue geon trigram has been added.
[...]
Glad I could help :thumb: Props to Smokey for being open and receptive to feedback, always love seeing that.
Post by: JinJuu on Mon, 07 September 2020, 16:18:24
Since the INTEREST CHECK FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS) was literally blowing up with many of you wanting some "black" in this set, I would like to introduce the "BLACK DAY KIT" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Day_(South_Korea)).
Black Day is a unofficial holiday in South Korea and I think the name fits in more than one way. First, and obvious enough, the color of the kit. Second, the holiday in Korea is associated with Valentine's Day, but is for everyone that didn't receive a gift on that day.
This is for everyone of you wanting some black in GMK Hanguk and didn't receive it, yet.
So here is your very own "BLACK DAY":Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vAPbAr4.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xz09r7t.png)i1 by illuminati.worksShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9TJH1Bi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Igtt4OO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/utZxnk6.jpg)There were so many people who had the same wish, so I just could not unhear that.
I decided not to blow up the BASE and NOVELTY Kits any further, but now everyone who wants black accent keys can have them in this set.
I hope you enjoy...
I know the IC is getting along pretty far, but is there any way you could throw in a little more black into consideration? I'm thinking make the mods and the navigation keys black and add them into Black Day, to add the option of giving it a little more of that clean Olivia/Metaverse look while still being able to retain some of those blue and red accents for individuality.
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Tue, 08 September 2020, 03:33:02
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 08 September 2020, 03:44:15
Since the INTEREST CHECK FORM (https://bit.ly/3fRjuSS) was literally blowing up with many of you wanting some "black" in this set, I would like to introduce the "BLACK DAY KIT" (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Day_(South_Korea)).
Black Day is a unofficial holiday in South Korea and I think the name fits in more than one way. First, and obvious enough, the color of the kit. Second, the holiday in Korea is associated with Valentine's Day, but is for everyone that didn't receive a gift on that day.
This is for everyone of you wanting some black in GMK Hanguk and didn't receive it, yet.
So here is your very own "BLACK DAY":Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/vAPbAr4.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Xz09r7t.png)i1 by illuminati.worksShow Image(https://i.imgur.com/9TJH1Bi.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Igtt4OO.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/utZxnk6.jpg)There were so many people who had the same wish, so I just could not unhear that.
I decided not to blow up the BASE and NOVELTY Kits any further, but now everyone who wants black accent keys can have them in this set.
I hope you enjoy...
I know the IC is getting along pretty far, but is there any way you could throw in a little more black into consideration? I'm thinking make the mods and the navigation keys black and add them into Black Day, to add the option of giving it a little more of that clean Olivia/Metaverse look while still being able to retain some of those blue and red accents for individuality.
This is not going to happen, unfortunately.
This set is a unique set of its own, coming out of my mind.
Black accents, which were wished by many many people in the IC Form, are totally fine and give this set some, as the name says and I really like in the meantime, black accents. I will not do more. Sorry.
In addition, like you mentioned, I don't want to give it a "GMK X" or "GMK Y" look.
Post by: Applet on Sat, 12 September 2020, 07:07:44
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 16 September 2020, 16:28:55
the JAPCHAE KIT has been reworked, again with the kind and awesome help from konstantin.
It now supports way more 40% layouts.
Here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/0cTT0Ig.png)
Explanation (usecases):
1. (https://i.imgur.com/01izVxw.png)
2. (https://i.imgur.com/hjSaUTw.png)
3. (https://i.imgur.com/gsewKYu.png)
4. (https://i.imgur.com/gZkkI45.png)
5. (https://i.imgur.com/wo21Gj9.png)
All KITS are now FINAL and will not be touched anymore.
We're expecting pricing from GMK soon.
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 21 September 2020, 06:57:55
finally the protos of my collaboration with Keebstuff Kabelmanufaktur (https://www.keebstuff.com) came in!
He did an incredible job with 2 different variations of coiled cables!
Here they are:
(https://i.imgur.com/jAh0Nlq.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/U4VkjtK.jpg)
Songpyeon 송편
(https://i.imgur.com/2FrxVbD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/9ySA7Ux.jpg)
Songpyeon 송편 Specs
- ~20cm coiled USB C device end, sleeved in mdpc-x Bloodline
- ~1.8m straight USB2.0 A host end, sleeved in mdpc-x Grande Bleu
- Weipu SA12 push-pull connector, black
- black heatshrink
Hotteok 호떡 and Tteokbokki 떡볶이
(https://i.imgur.com/DNvEDIJ.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/CSs1MBD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/yuHdlLu.jpg)
Hotteok 호떡 and Tteokbokki 떡볶이 Specs
- ~20cm coiled USB C device end, sleeved in mdpc-x Blackest Black
- ~1.8m straight USB2.0 A host end, sleeved in mdpc-x Blackest Black
- Weipu SA12 push-pull connector, cyan bordeaux mix
- black heatshrink
Tech Specs:
- Cable is USB 2.0, 2x AWG24 wire (power), 2x AWG28 wire (data), double shielded
- Cable diameter 4.5mm, coil inner diameter 10mm
- mdpc-x is a uv-stable PET material produced in germany, similar to techflex but tighter meshed
- 4-pin connectors from Weipu are grounded on 1 side
I hope you enjoy!
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 23 September 2020, 06:24:32
So...bad news. And good news.
Unfortunately I had to cancel the collaboration with Space Cables.
It's under no circumstances Space's fault whatsoever though.
We had some nice cerakoted cables planned, but their cerakote company dropped the ball way too hard and did not respond for weeks now.
Which led to not preparing any proto so far and the collab would not make it in time for the GB.
BUT, here comes the good news. I found a new partner in crime.
I've talked to my buddy Chase from Luxe Cables and he will very gladly help out, here.
This is why I'd like to announce a new collab with said Luxe Cables!
Luxe Cables (https://instagram.com/luxecables)
(https://i.imgur.com/Tojkvii.png)
We already talked about a very nice cable colorway and will present a proto shortly!
Thank you Chase for being the awesome dude you are.
I hope you enjoy.
Post by: Dunzos on Wed, 23 September 2020, 09:17:43
Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 24 September 2020, 01:38:11
Why shouldn't I be as transparent as I can be?
Again, nobody but Space's cerakoting company is to blame, here.
But they already took counter actions that stuff like this will not happen again.
Thank you, I very much appreciate that.
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 24 September 2020, 11:52:07
As for pricing, any clue when you’ll be updated on those?
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Post by: SMOKEY on Thu, 24 September 2020, 12:13:43
we are patiently waiting on quotes from GMK.
Can only take years... ;)
Post by: CrazyAssMonkey on Thu, 24 September 2020, 14:08:22
Hey,
we are patiently waiting on quotes from GMK.
Can only take years... ;)
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Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 27 September 2020, 15:08:06
it is update time again.
I would like to present a / some Hanguk-matching acrylic case(s) to you all, made by the one and only SM KEYBOARDS (https://www.instagram.com/smkeyboards/).
Sam outdid himself with the protoype.
Check out the pictures:
(https://i.imgur.com/AS969vU.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/fuKxzmv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/s01sitY.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/xUMyR3A.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WK69ap6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/pfm4fbw.jpg)
Details:
- Raffle Style sale: Total amount of 30 cases
- Most popular layouts available (60%, 65%, 75% (kbd75), Kbd8x/H87a (TKL normal F1-F12), H88 (TKL with F1-F13), Kbd19x, Discipline, Mysterium, Iris, Kyria, Minivan, Daisy)
- Colors offered: clear (glossy + matte), white (glossy + matte), opal (glossy), black (glossy + matte), red (glossy and translucent), blue (glossy and translucent).
- Exact configurations of various cases TBD
- Specific hardware available as option: Red, dark blue, brass/gold, silver, and black
- 2-4 engraving options that will be available for the backplate of the raffled cases:
Option A: Keyset novelties illustrations engraving placed in a repeating pattern
Option B: Larger single piece novelty illustration engraving (Korean flag or Gyeongbokgung palace)
I hope you enjoy!
Post by: akaceejaye on Wed, 30 September 2020, 09:20:02
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 02 October 2020, 15:26:33
small update today while we still wait for quotes, which should come in next week: Deskmat protos round 2 came in today and I could not be happier.
I was not satisfied with round 1 of protos, so we switched the manufacturer who is totally on point and I can sell these deskmats with a very good feeling.
Here is a sneak peek:
(https://i.imgur.com/jo8ObUb.jpg)
Post by: EURA on Sat, 03 October 2020, 02:47:29
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:09:00
I appreciate the set and the love you have for the Korean culture. However your rice novelty can easily be misconstrued as a representation of a Korean funeral practice and chopsticks sticking up from rice at the table is considered to be pretty rude; I would change the novelty to either take out the chopsticks, or have them resting on the bowl horizontally. You could also use specifically a Korean spoon instead, because rice is more commonly eaten with a spoon rather than with chopsticks in Korean food etiquette.
I have been to Seoul so many times.
I never heard of that but just researched it.
Will definitively do something about that.
That was not my intention.
Expect some changes during the next week.
Post by: EURA on Sat, 03 October 2020, 03:25:40
I appreciate the set and the love you have for the Korean culture. However your rice novelty can easily be misconstrued as a representation of a Korean funeral practice and chopsticks sticking up from rice at the table is considered to be pretty rude; I would change the novelty to either take out the chopsticks, or have them resting on the bowl horizontally. You could also use specifically a Korean spoon instead, because rice is more commonly eaten with a spoon rather than with chopsticks in Korean food etiquette.
I have been to Seoul so many times.
I never heard of that but just researched it.
Will definitively do something about that.
That was not my intention.
Expect some changes during the next week.
Thank you for your immediate response and I look forward to the changes! :)
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 03 October 2020, 04:28:20
I do not want to be rude against anyone and cause hard feelings whatsoever.
It will be changed immidiately.
The chopsticks will be changed to a korean spoon (숟가락).
Expect changes soon.
Post by: PC Concepts on Sat, 03 October 2020, 04:54:22
Post by: tngpq on Sat, 03 October 2020, 05:05:45
Of course.
I do not want to be rude against anyone and cause hard feelings whatsoever.
It will be changed immidiately.
The chopsticks will be changed to a korean spoon (숟가락).
Expect changes soon.
First off, I'm Korean and have attended numerous 제사. For me, the way the chopsticks are angled in the current novelty does not remind 제사 at all. You put the spoon vertically in the rice and put the chopstick horizontally on the food your ancestor enjoyed the most. At least that is how I learned it.
Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 03 October 2020, 06:40:01
Of course.
I do not want to be rude against anyone and cause hard feelings whatsoever.
It will be changed immidiately.
The chopsticks will be changed to a korean spoon (숟가락).
Expect changes soon.
First off, I'm Korean and have attended numerous 제사. For me, the way the chopsticks are angled in the current novelty does not remind 제사 at all. You put the spoon vertically in the rice and put the chopstick horizontally on the food your ancestor enjoyed the most. At least that is how I learned it.
Thank you very much.
The chopsticks will be changed to a 숟가락 nonetheless.
I just saw that in discord already someone said the same thing as EURA.
Let's just avoid any misinterpretations.
(https://i.imgur.com/viOxpst.png)
(not final)
Post by: SMOKEY on Sun, 04 October 2020, 11:39:20
젓가락 gone.
숟가락 instead.
(https://i.imgur.com/4FeCmAj.png)
Post by: CherryB on Sun, 04 October 2020, 12:08:38
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 05 October 2020, 03:03:22
finally I am able to share this with you.
The Collaboration with Artkey Universe was just announced by them and here are the Stars: Sirius, Bull and Devourer!
Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/)
(https://i.imgur.com/USJx7qK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/PQS38TF.jpg)
Raffle times:
Hanguk Sirius - Live at 9:00 AM ICT / 7th October / for 30 minutes
Hanguk Bull V2 and Hanguk Devourer - Live at 9:00 AM ICT, 10th October / for 12 hours
May the luck be with you!
Post by: SojuSempai on Mon, 05 October 2020, 16:53:21
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 06 October 2020, 02:01:49
Sirius x GMK Hanguk will go live in 19 hours for 30 minutes only!
October 7th, 9AM ICT / 4AM CEST / 7PM PDT / 10PM EDT
https://artkeyuniverse.com/shop/detail/hanguk
Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/)
(https://i.imgur.com/USJx7qK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/npXlFP0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f3jY4Ft.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ALHI0J0.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/f3jY4Ft.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/ALHI0J0.jpg)
Post by: LightningXI on Wed, 07 October 2020, 02:30:03
I like the small change to the spoon.
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 07 October 2020, 13:31:24
guess what? It's update time again.
Luxe Cables (https://www.instagram.com/luxecables/) finished the proto of his cable and it turned out awesome! What did you expect?
Here it is:
(https://i.imgur.com/Tojkvii.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/1sGm4Us.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/prxIht5.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/M3ywa3I.jpg)
Cable Specs:
- 7-8 inch coil (depending on orientation)
- GX16 Connector, painted red and blue, with white threads
- Black heatshrink
- White TechFlex
- White paracord
- 4, 5, or 6 feet of total cable length available
- USB-C, Mini-USB, Micro-USB available for device connections
- Engraving of TAEGEUK optional
Tech Specs:
- Cable is USB Rev 2.0 Compliant 28 / 28AWG
- Cable/Coil Diameter 1 inch
- Coil Inner Diameter 1/2 inch
- TechFlex PET Sleeving
- 5-pin GX16 connectors.
I hope you enjoy!
Post by: SMOKEY on Fri, 09 October 2020, 14:47:57
Bull v2 & Devourer x GMK Hanguk will go live in 6 hours for 12 hours!
October 7th, 9AM ICT / 4AM CEST / 7PM PDT / 10PM EDT
https://artkeyuniverse.com/shop/detail/hanguk-bd
Artkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/)
(https://i.imgur.com/USJx7qK.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/FGVhkUD.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qzsh66P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WsYceAK.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Qzsh66P.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WsYceAK.jpg)
Post by: Philbeey on Fri, 09 October 2020, 15:01:53
RAFFLE TIME!New to these artisans but I'd there a reason that these are limited raffles and not available for purchase after?
Bull v2 & Devourer x GMK Hanguk will go live in 6 hours for 12 hours!
October 7th, 9AM ICT / 4AM CEST / 7PM PDT / 10PM EDT
https://artkeyuniverse.com/shop/detail/hanguk-bdArtkey Universe (https://www.instagram.com/artkey.universe/)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/PYCj4sq.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/FGVhkUD.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Qzsh66P.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/WsYceAK.jpg)
Appreciate the info
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Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Fri, 09 October 2020, 22:36:23
_____
Found this set through the video pasted below.
As an Asian person, seeing sets like this is disappointing. They seem lazy, and doesn't come from a place of genuine interest or respect for the culture they are trying to portray. GMK Hanguk isn't the first or last to do this, so it's not on you in particular, but it's a trend I'm seeing.
Will this be successful? Probably. Will it sell a lot? Yeah. But I think that's sort of the point.
How can a designer do better when it comes to creating sets that address cultural themes?
1. Do your research. Seriously. At the bare basics, talk to people. Watch videos online. Understand why certain cultural elements are the way they are. Look at deeper values and meaning. Go beyond the surface. Maybe even visit the country or immerse yourself into the culture.
2. Introspect into the motivation you have with creating a set. Is it the money? Is it the color scheme? Is it paying respect to the cultural themes? Is it because of a trend? Is it popular culture? etc etc. I think you may have been motivated to create the set because the Korean flag has an interesting color scheme. That's fine. But why not name the layouts based on the elements in the flag, instead of Bibimbap.. Kimchi (really?).. etc
3. Get the opinion of people in that culture. This part isn't 100% necessary, because this is borderline gatekeeping. I DO think we should embrace people with new perspectives and ideas. But at the bare basics it avoids mistakes like tattooing "buttcrack" in Chinese on your arm because you thought it was supposed to mean "Power".
Please don't misunderstand my post in thinking that non-Asians shouldn't design Asian sets. I am actually asking the complete opposite, we *should* encourage new ideas and concepts to a culture. That's how some of the best cuisine in the world today is made, because of fusion and new perspective. But *please* do so respectfully and show some sort of level of research. Like JYMV says, you calling your set Hanguk sets a really really high bar, to represent Korea and its culture. It better be spot on and perfect and represent Korea correctly.
Post by: Philbeey on Sat, 10 October 2020, 02:34:19
Provide suggestions?
The creator has been nothing but respectful through and through so essentially you're entire blurb boils down to thematic choices.
And as someone who is Asian himself. I'm curious it is what it is you find wrong albeit you danced around it by pretty much using no succinct words.
You mention food items and all sorts of other things but very loosely so are these requirements? I assume not.
And if so what exactly makes these topics better than others?
I'm sincerely curious as to what you find so obscenely wrong with this set and others like it because, well you managed to speak upon everything except the actual point.
And as a point of focus you stated you're Asian, cool. But the tone especially near the end leaves without a doubt that you seem to be speaking to the needs, preferences of all Asian people in general.
Let alone one who grew up in Korea.
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Post by: SMOKEY on Sat, 10 October 2020, 02:59:33
But since I have 2 little kids and it is weekend it will take me to Monday until I reply to this
So many things were stated completely wrong.
Post by: Philbeey on Sat, 10 October 2020, 03:07:43
I have A LOT to say about all this.Honestly go spend time with your loved ones. Effort enough has been seen by everyone in the discord and here as testament to your efforts.
But since I have 2 little kids and it is weekend it will take me to Monday until I reply to this
So many things were stated completely wrong.
No more need be spent over the weekend over Esckeys hypocritical post
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Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Sat, 10 October 2020, 03:30:56
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong. I'm leaving it up for transparency reasons.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
Post by: prizeS on Sat, 10 October 2020, 10:26:55
I apologize if my tone and original comment was unproductive. I let my frustration get to me. I didn't mean to wish any bad feelings on anyone. I will be more aware moving forward.
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
dude you're definitely reading way too much into it. it's not that difficult. he enjoys Korean culture, and this set is inspired by his take on it.
you don't need to read into everyone's inspiration for a set.
Post by: Philbeey on Sat, 10 October 2020, 11:31:36
I apologize if my tone and original comment was unproductive. I let my frustration get to me. I didn't mean to wish any bad feelings on anyone. I will be more aware moving forward.You've oddly decided what to create a bias over so I'm confused.
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
What exactly did that set embody over this one?
They're both lovely sets so I'm curious as to why?
You're apologising for your tone but you're being passive aggressive again.
To tell you something of my observations as a Korean who was born in Korea, grew up in Australia then went back for military service.
No one cares.
You've put Korean culture on this god tier pedestal but if someone made GMK Aussie or a GMK Canuck it wouldn't be any different.
We like seeing our culture being pervasive it's not about purity or traditionalism it's about thoughtful and respectful spread of it.
And no that doesn't mean they want everyone in Hanboks and suddenly making kimchi or being Samsung fanatics.
Sometimes it really is just okay to do a fun homage.
Lastly, if you don't like the set you don't like the set. Stop trying to weave a whole story about its poor execution, it's terrible backstory, it's tooic matter and it's lack of respect.
You yourself are continuing to be entitled disrespectful and absolutely dismissive of everyone else's tastes especially the many many other Koreans everywhere who absolutely love this set.
Step off the high horse and don't start the next response if it's just going to be a disingenuous response.
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Post by: DukeEsquire on Sat, 10 October 2020, 13:26:50
My only problem is that, if you take out the Korean sub-legends, I would have thought the base kit was a USA themed set. Reminds me of SA Rocket.
Post by: Findecanor on Sat, 10 October 2020, 18:43:14
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TL;DR: There shouldn't be any space separating the coloured fields of the taegeuk.
Post by: NixieTea on Sat, 10 October 2020, 19:01:39
What I'm saying here is that just brushing people off because you don't think this set is an issue is wrong. I'd like to point out that my comment isn't specifically directed at Smokey because he's been respectful thus far, even if I take issue with his designs. In terms of constructive criticism, from what I've heard, Sumi and Bento are done well because they don't generalize all of Japanese culture and focus on specific aspects. Now, take what I'm about to say with a grain of salt, but I think the set would be better if it was actually based on KBBQ instead of Korea as a whole. I think you could get a lot more people on board and it wouldn't be offensive (assuming research was done of course).
Also, Philbeey, I think you are being too aggressive and need to cool it. You may like the set, but people can have criticism.
Post by: Fredington on Sat, 10 October 2020, 19:24:06
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. You are definitely the first person to ever notice this. I guess Korea should just rename itself to Pepsi now. Would make it easier for everyone.
Post by: reminbee on Sat, 10 October 2020, 19:27:30
When it comes to using iconography associated with certain cultures, you often get the response "it's not a big deal" or "why do you care so much?" Personally, growing up I had a lot of negative experiences related to being Chinese American - bullying because of my name, people telling me my food smells like garbage, etc. So when the same people turn around ten years later and suddenly decide certain aspects of my culture are "cool" or "marketable," it makes you feel really mad. The same society that made you feel subhuman because of your background now wants to profit off of it. Not to mention, only the parts that are deemed "cool" enough get highlighted, further reducing actual cultures to tropes.
I'm not Korean and am not here to pass judgement on this set. Just offering a POV that may help illuminate why a lot of Asian Americans, at least the ones in my circles, have a strong reaction in these situations.
Post by: mrboxturtle on Sat, 10 October 2020, 20:10:31
I believe the root of this issue is this: in trying to take a country and fit it onto a very small canvas of a handful of keys and color combinations, it's impossible to not dilute the entire country to the elements which stand out in pop culture. This is how the rest of the world sees a country, which is why certain individuals look at the set and say a korean would not have made this (and to be clear I'm not saying this or this set is right or wrong, just providing perspective). Of course the nuances of a country will be lost when the country is filtered down to a handful of things which stand out to a designer. Whether this is falls on the side of celebratory or on the side of offensive/fetishization depends on the person, and I think it is at least important to hear out those with dissenting opinions, because it may regard something important to them, such as their culture or country of origin. Everyone has different values.
Post by: qluboards on Sun, 11 October 2020, 00:03:17
I apologize if my tone and original comment was unproductive. I let my frustration get to me. I didn't mean to wish any bad feelings on anyone. I will be more aware moving forward.
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong. I'm leaving it up for transparency reasons.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
I can understand the idea that culture is nuanced and it is most definitely difficult to encapsulate an entire culture within a keycap set. That being said, just as everyone's view of culture is nuanced in their own way, what is so wrong with an individual bringing their own vision of korean culture to life? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this. You are always free to disagree, but this set does not stop you from creating your own GMK Mingug or GMK seoul as a counterbalance for your own perspective on Korean culture.
Post by: huey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 00:39:18
I apologize if my tone and original comment was unproductive. I let my frustration get to me. I didn't mean to wish any bad feelings on anyone. I will be more aware moving forward.
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong. I'm leaving it up for transparency reasons.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
I can understand the idea that culture is nuanced and it is most definitely difficult to encapsulate an entire culture within a keycap set. That being said, just as everyone's view of culture is nuanced in their own way, what is so wrong with an individual bringing their own vision of korean culture to life? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this. You are always free to disagree, but this set does not stop you from creating your own GMK Mingug or GMK seoul as a counterbalance for your own perspective on Korean culture.
I get that there is iherently nothing wrong with "bring their own vision of Korean culture to life", but this set has clearly shown a lack of understand of the culture past a surface layer. On top of that, the designer seems to heavily bind food with culture (which, granted, is normally a corner stone of introducing culture) and it displays a lack of understanding past that.
I've never understood the western fetishization of eastern countries, particually in this hobby. I think discourse like this needs to happen.
Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 01:43:59
The keyset is a representation of a small sliver of Korean culture. It's not here to represent the dresses, the palaces, the silicon tech industry, the car industry and the food industry all while appeasing the literally baseless complaints about it not being the keycap equivalent of Albert Camus' "The Outsider" in philosophical essays.
By all means you and every other soldier ant wants to speak of discourse but again my response to you is like others.
What makes you think; that what you think; is the intended goal.
What do you have to offer as meaningful contribution to cultural markers aside from Twitterific outrage.
What makes you think those contributions are even what this ketcap set is going for.
What theme would you make around a Hangul alpha set.
I can go on and on but you like each and every person comes by with the exact same set of apparent outrage, which is baseless and literally personal preference tied up in a bow of "approximate appropriation outrage".
Vomits their 2 cents and then leaves because at the end of it all its not your cup of tea and you can't speak on behalf of native and disporia Koreans or SEAs of which I am both.
This is an open letter as to everyone planning on jumping in the train and those who have posted and not responded. To go ahead and prove me wrong with the objective enlightenment you all seem to share but are beyond sharing.
How would you do a flag theme.
How would you name it.
How would you colour it.
How would you tool it.
How would incorporate alphas.
How would you change, improve of modify the set.
How would you remove the "fetishism".
How do you represent all Koreans.
How do you represent all American/Oz/Can Koreans.
How would you decide to incorporate "Korea"
How would you cover the grand scheme of ALL Korean culture.
How would you snapshot it if not all.
The discourse is here and happening, and you're all already here. So discuss instead of saying it needs to happen.
Discuss it away. I believe I've laid out enough groundwork that those who only respond in rebuttals alone can have enough to work off.
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Post by: dandruff on Sun, 11 October 2020, 01:51:18
The keyset is a representation of a small sliver of Korean culture.
I'm not here to pick a side, but their point is that the set is literally called GMK South Korea. With a name like that, it does seem to want to represent South Korea as a whole, not just a small sliver of Korean culture.
Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 02:11:35
Not focusing you by the way just taking an opportunity to expand on your point.
Much like you'd not find anything representing a whole culture you could potentially bring back in 50kg weight limit suitcase.
You'd be hard pressed to do so on a keycap set.
There is no fitting an entire culture in a keycap set so making assumptions that fit a bias aside.
These people, as you put it, are literally setting themselves up for outrage.
And putting that aside as a disingenuous request. You either go remarkably vague or go with themes that will be decreed as "fetishism".
Thematic choices must be made and it takes discretion and discerning decisions to weigh what goes in and what stays out.
I'm curious as to what becomes acceptable then?
Many say it's surface deep but these are exports and are exactly that PROUD exports and markers.
GMK Mexico with Tacos and guac and sombreros and their tricolour sounds awfully off kilter doesn't it but it's entirely because there's a contextual cultural landscape to work with. And throwing broad strokes is a very easy way for people to paint things in extremes on a topic that requires far more nuance in straddling the line of what is homage and appreciation and what unwelcome cliches
Many people including many Koreans from around the globe provided input into this in it's early stages and still do so I employee everyone reading this to read my last comment and well and truly respond to it if you have legitimate fleshed out concerns.
And I'll put it here simply now. If my previous post has no relevance to your disagreements or you cannot respond frankly and with substance. You can roll your eyes all you very well please and tell yourself the disagreement you have is one of a moral high ground.
But if you cannot flesh it out just know, it's okay for different people and different Koreans of all places and kinds to have different tastes to you.
And there's no need to rant as I am, only with the guise of your distaste or disinterest being one under the cover of your moral "woke" high horse.
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Post by: qluboards on Sun, 11 October 2020, 03:29:27
Post by: Findecanor on Sun, 11 October 2020, 06:26:27
No. What I meant is that there isn't any space between the coloured fields in the taegeuk symbol.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LEheTs7.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0tPQv1Q.png)
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. You are definitely the first person to ever notice this. I guess Korea should just rename itself to Pepsi now. Would make it easier for everyone.
If you add the space, it becomes something else.
But that's the least of this set's problems (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXW6YaI_5s).
Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 11:19:48
Oh look another hit and run comment with nothing of value to add other than the video which is based entirely on opinion pandered as fact.No. What I meant is that there isn't any space between the coloured fields in the taegeuk symbol.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/LEheTs7.png)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/0tPQv1Q.png)
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Thank you for bringing this to our attention. You are definitely the first person to ever notice this. I guess Korea should just rename itself to Pepsi now. Would make it easier for everyone.
If you add the space, it becomes something else.
But that's the least of this set's problems (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9GXW6YaI_5s).
What a surprise handful of underdog bandwagon riding people never flesh out their discussion despite, "discourse is required".
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Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 15:10:40
So pardon my aggression if I'm not exactly soft spoken to people who are here for honest discussion.
You'll also notice none of the points I've raised have ever been answered.
I'm not an authority on my culture I'm simply providing a look and I'm not claiming I'm the only right view. Only that those who have alternate views should perhaps state them and explain them instead of making sweeping judgements.
Call me a boomer if you like but that much like the rest of your confirmation bias riddled response is based on your own deliberate misinterpretation of my responses.
Don't make opinionated comments and call them facts. Don't make generalisations then cry aggression when you're avoidant of answering points then claiming that somehow I claimed to be the grand purveyor of all Korean knowledge and my word is final.
I'm not shutting anyone's opinion I'm questioning the misdirection of outrage opinion as fact.
I'm asking for more detail which as I stated no one has answered.
Critique in itself is not free of critique.
The irony is in your hypocrisy though at least it can be said you came back to at least attempt to respond if only to round it out with "hurR boomer SJW hate" to a 24 year old who isn't riding the bandwagon.
All my many many points and requests stand in my previous comments if you do wish to provide myself, anyone else and especially SMOKEY some actual productive criticism though.
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Post by: myseriousdark14 on Sun, 11 October 2020, 16:55:58
After watching that video, I couldn’t help but make an account to post my thoughts as a Korean American. Apologies for any formatting errors.
Before getting into what I feel is wrong with the set (many of which are laid out in the video), I’d like make a couple of points:
1. Intent =/= Impact. As the well-known proverb goes, “The road to Hell is paved with good intentions.” Good intentions are not a strong defense against criticism. Period. It's amazing how many people do not understand this. I was at the park several weeks ago with my toddler son, who was being pushed around by another dad’s kid. “Oh, he means well,” said the dad, all the while making no attempt to stop his son from pushing mine. Should I just take that because your son supposedly has “good intentions”?
2. You cannot equate a native Korean’s opinions with a Korean American’s or other immigrant Korean, as their experiences are often times significantly different and tinged with racist experiences in their adopted country. Just because Quad-H says the set is good to go, means nothing. I’ve often had the experience of a well-meaning White person telling me how they had such a great time visiting the country of my ethnicity, how they appreciate the culture so much, and how the country is doing so well for themselves. That’s great man, but it really doesn’t have anything to do with me, other than the fact that my ancestors originated there.
3. The designer of this set does NOT have to be Korean, but if you’re attempting to represent an entire country or culture (especially if you’re standing to profit off of a culture that is not your own), you better get it RIGHT. I understand that to a foreigner the line between appreciation and exotification can be hard to discern, but again, if you stand to profit off of our culture, that's kind of the price of admission to get it right.
OK, with that out of the way, below are my problems with the set (again, many of these points are laid out in the previously mentioned video):
1. The first image consists of Korean food presented on Japanese lacquerware(!). If not downright offensive, it’s pretty insensitive at the very least and shows a lack of understanding of the cultural and historical nuances at play between the two nations. If you Google a Korean table setting, you’ll notice that the banchan bowls are round, not rectangular. And Korean chopsticks are flat and metal, not square and wood. The KBBQ deskmat has a similar issue, with Japanese-style chopsticks and chopstick rests, which you would not find at an authentic Korean restaurant.
2. Other than the sublegends, the Base kit does not convey Korea as a country or a culture. The design is tacky, uninspired, and too nail-on-the-head. Flag design =/= the sum of a country and culture. I think deep down, the designer knows this and has tried to compensate with a plethora of collaborations and an aggressive hype campaign.
3. The hype campaign and artisan collaboration images are SUPER tacky.
4. A Korean designer would never use Korean numbers as sublegends. It’s like writing “ONE” as a sublegend on the “1” key. Does that look cool in anyway? No.
5. Koreans eat rice with spoons, not chopsticks. To the designer’s credit, this has been changed but can still be interpreted as chopsticks in the rice. Besides, Koreans don't leave the spoon in the rice anyway.
6. I absolutely agree with the maker of the video that Korea deserves better than this low-quality representation and that this is simply a blatant cash-grab. I say scrap the set, but maybe proceed with some of the artisan collaborations, so as not to have wasted their time.
Also, Philbeey, stop gaslighting.
Post by: Fredington on Sun, 11 October 2020, 17:23:57
Post by: Kokaloo on Sun, 11 October 2020, 17:25:12
Post by: Philbeey on Sun, 11 October 2020, 18:38:22
Also, Philbeey, stop gaslighting.
Ah yes evidently what I'm doing and not striving for someone like yourself to actually elaborate.
Though I'm glad you attempted to use Google as a reference to make a singular titular point. Also the chopsticks are dependant on setting and food as well as meal and lacquer wear does exist in traditional Korean homes.
Japan-Korean conflation does exist but like you said this ain't it fam.
Also as per it's own definition of gaslighting if someone's sanity is in question because I have asked them to provide factual explanation to their outrage which is opinion maraudered as fact then my own sanity must be in question.
If people are enough upset that someone isn't fawning over bandwagoned responses and outrage.
To the point over a handful of the same posts many from fresh accounts exist before a singular comment with a singular actual point made existed.
Then so be it. I'm not here to be friendly with those without reciprocation.
Make your points if they're there to be made.
Otherwise skip the fluff about not being interested and of your taste. The IC form already existed for those uninterested to move on.
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Post by: myseriousdark14 on Sun, 11 October 2020, 18:59:17
Also, Philbeey, stop gaslighting.
Ah yes evidently what I'm doing and not striving for someone like yourself to actually elaborate.
Though I'm glad you attempted to use Google as a reference to make a singular titular point. Also the chopsticks are dependant on setting and food as well as meal and lacquer wear does exist in traditional Korean homes.
Japan-Korean conflation does exist but like you said this ain't it fam.
Also as per it's own definition of gaslighting if someone's sanity is in question because I have asked them to provide factual explanation to their outrage which is opinion maraudered as fact then my own sanity must be in question.
If people are enough upset that someone isn't fawning over bandwagoned responses and outrage.
To the point over a handful of the same posts many from fresh accounts exist before a singular comment with a singular actual point made existed.
Then so be it. I'm not here to be friendly with those without reciprocation.
Make your points if they're there to be made.
Otherwise skip the fluff about not being interested and of your taste. The IC form already existed for those uninterested to move on.
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Korean lacquerware uses extensive mother-of-pearl and abalone inlays and is ornamental, used to store things like jewelry and not used for food.
Lots of words in your post but no substance.
Post by: tngpq on Sun, 11 October 2020, 21:02:04
Also, Philbeey, stop gaslighting.
Ah yes evidently what I'm doing and not striving for someone like yourself to actually elaborate.
Though I'm glad you attempted to use Google as a reference to make a singular titular point. Also the chopsticks are dependant on setting and food as well as meal and lacquer wear does exist in traditional Korean homes.
Japan-Korean conflation does exist but like you said this ain't it fam.
Also as per it's own definition of gaslighting if someone's sanity is in question because I have asked them to provide factual explanation to their outrage which is opinion maraudered as fact then my own sanity must be in question.
If people are enough upset that someone isn't fawning over bandwagoned responses and outrage.
To the point over a handful of the same posts many from fresh accounts exist before a singular comment with a singular actual point made existed.
Then so be it. I'm not here to be friendly with those without reciprocation.
Make your points if they're there to be made.
Otherwise skip the fluff about not being interested and of your taste. The IC form already existed for those uninterested to move on.
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Korean lacquerware uses extensive mother-of-pearl and abalone inlays and is ornamental, used to store things like jewelry and not used for food.
Lots of words in your post but no substance.
I can confirm this. We don't use lacquerware for food in Korea. Not in any form did our ancestors use dishes like that. Chopsticks were predominantly metal. Since the traditional food display these days are based on the privileged 양반 class table, we never display wood chopsticks. Those became popular in modern era when delivery food became common, mostly originated from Korean Chinese food I would say. That display in the very first picture is a very modernized depiction of Korean food. No Korean will think it's representing our culture in a traditional way. If you don't know **** about Korean culture, stay out of this.
Post by: Philbeey on Mon, 12 October 2020, 00:27:06
Also yes the predominant use of chopsticks is one of metal primarily to emulate the Baejke period where silver chopsticks showed up and were used because they were pure and apparently detect poisons. How I'm not quite sure but nevertheless.
They're a pain to work with but in modern times is only further concreted at least in general public use for the reasons that "disposable" cutlery is regulated in numbers by the government. Though hardly a concern for the pass through numbers of most restaurants.
Primarily aristocracy started the silver trend and commoners would use wooden tools. Silver became stainless steel and convenience and hygiene as well as ease of use became the trend. Wood became much more niche.
So maybe, much in the very vein of my many words as it was put the purpose of discussion may have been to discover that not experiences are the same and what line is drawn from modern to ancient and what is concerned right.
A discussion between contributes and buyers as to what is considered completely left field, what works and what is generally wrong through and through.
But alas those weren't everyone's desired intentions were they.
Post by: cecioclock on Mon, 12 October 2020, 01:40:08
I apologize if my tone and original comment was unproductive. I let my frustration get to me. I didn't mean to wish any bad feelings on anyone. I will be more aware moving forward.
I think the topic of culture is different and nuanced for everyone. I grew up like many Asian Americans/Canadians straddling between two cultures. My family is very traditional, so we follow the customs fairly closely despite living in the West, so I grew up very proud of my heritage. But growing up in the west, it can be rare to see an accurate portrayal of our culture -- whether it's the customs, the tradition, the food, the entertainment, etc. So whenever I see our culture displayed, they are often portrayed in a way that's based on what people THINK our background is. Oh Chinese food? Panda Express. Oh Korean food? Kimchi. Japanese food? Sushi. Japanese culture? Anime. Chinese culture? Dragons and red colors.
The reason this set "triggered" me was because I saw it as again a manifestation of my observations. Is it accurate? Probably not. I'm sure Smokey had no ill intentions making it. I'm sorry Smokey if my original comment came off very strong. I'm leaving it up for transparency reasons.
In terms of improvements, here are my suggestions. Not that they matter all that much.
1. Calling the set GMK Korea is a heavy responsibility. It should get Korea right, and I think there are other avenues that could showcase that other than Kimchi, Bibimbap, etc. Another suggestion is just rename the set to GMK Korean Food. The most initial vibe I got from this set was the layout names are food, but the set name is Hanguk. Where are the other Korean elements that are not just food?
2. Tightening the scope of your set to being related to food could unleash even greater flexibility and creativity, as you can showcase even more diverse food items of Korea in various regions, and not just what people generally know about. Maybe you can talk about Korea's prized cow, the Hanwoo. Or the drinking culture (and the foods you eat + games you play) surrounding soju. But JTK Soju already has done this so maybe not. I'm personally not Korean so I won't even begin to say I know the things that Koreans take proudly.
3. Further tightening the scope of this set means also greater creativity and tighter theme with your novelties. It's tough to cover every Korean theme when you only have so many keys to work with.
4. Take the scallions and chopsticks and sesame oil out of the cable photos. The cables are nice enough by themselves without adding those.. slightly stereotypical elements.
That's all I can think of for now.
Again, apologies for the tone. The more I look at this set, the more it seems to me the theme is on what Korean culture means to you. I think the intent is good, but execution can use some tweaking for this to become a great set.
I can understand the idea that culture is nuanced and it is most definitely difficult to encapsulate an entire culture within a keycap set. That being said, just as everyone's view of culture is nuanced in their own way, what is so wrong with an individual bringing their own vision of korean culture to life? I don't think there's anything inherently wrong with this. You are always free to disagree, but this set does not stop you from creating your own GMK Mingug or GMK seoul as a counterbalance for your own perspective on Korean culture.
I get that there is iherently nothing wrong with "bring their own vision of Korean culture to life", but this set has clearly shown a lack of understand of the culture past a surface layer. On top of that, the designer seems to heavily bind food with culture (which, granted, is normally a corner stone of introducing culture) and it displays a lack of understanding past that.
I've never understood the western fetishization of eastern countries, particually in this hobby. I think discourse like this needs to happen.
I really agree. Especially as someone who is enthusiastic about reclaiming Korean culture in a wholistic manner/from a family with a lot of history, this set seems like an early 2000’s South Korea’s trying to appeal to western foreigners, inspired from the things Westerners were historically more intrigued about. Lately S Korean culture promotion organizations have been putting in efforts to provide a more local and genuine understanding of our culture, too. The set does seem to set the effort back a few steps, especially since the MK community has a lot of influence on popularizing aesthetics.
(Ft. The font of 대한민국 looks like the standard North Korean print and looks unnatural with the S Korean brighter flag colors in my opinion; first font in the image of representative N Korean fonts attached)
I’ve really been debating on this set, since I want to support Korean sets a lot but this set is feeding into the stereotypically narrow perspectives of S Korean culture.
But despite that, I know the organizer out a lot of effort, and really set an example of being a community-friendly and diligent organizer.
And I thank you for choosing to make a Korean set come true to life!
Post by: Philbeey on Mon, 12 October 2020, 01:50:13
While thematically it maybe odd for let's say a Korean living in Korea. Much like an Australian likely wouldn't have an overtly Aussie themed set it might be a different matter if they're overseas.
Or in all exceptions sometimes an overtly in your face theme is exactly what some people like myself are looking for.
Different strokes for different folks.
I'm with you Ceic and my primary support definitely comes from the fact that he been respectful and diligent in his work and even if the theme of not everyone's taste it is also many other's. And I hope it spurs a greater desire for these kinds of sets with these efforts allowing for more specific sets with nuances in different places to appear.
As we've seen from Hallyu and hopefully more sets to come.
Maybe a GMK Hanbok or a GMK Gyeongbokgung
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Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 12 October 2020, 04:33:01
so...I have been thinking a lot over the past weekend.
To start off I want to say, that I do not want to go into a discussion with a person, or a group of people, who think that it is a good idea watching a keycap set sit in an almost 4 months long IC phase, with an IC form from day 1 I want to add, without ever voicing their opinion on an implementation of a korean theme / their culture on a keycap set, feeling disrespected or anything like that. Someone decided now, 2 weeks prior to GB phase, would be a good idea to start with that.
Nonetheless everybody is entitled to their own opinion, and I fully respect that.
There were allegations pulled out of thin air I decided not to go through bit by bit.
I think everyone who voiced objective criticism or constructive feedback on my set, kitting-wise and way beyond that, was heard and I was very open to ASAP change things if someone saw their foot stepped on, like the chopstick in the bowl of rice for example.
Speaking about that. That novelty was trouble from the beginning of this IC, to be quite honest with you. Originally I had something different planned for that "spot" which did not work out as I wanted it to turn out (More on that later). Very early on there were some feedbacks saying that this Novelty was "too generic asian-y", and I felt the same way at first. I decided then to add a specific question regarding that in the IC form. I gave two options:
1. Get rid of it, it's too generic
2. I need my rice, bro.
But the result of this question has shown, while almost 300 people who filled out the form during that period, that 78% voted for second. So I decided to leave it where it is.
All this aside, I do, under no circumstances, want to be known as a designer / creator / human being that disrespects a whole country and its culture.
I am not a person like that, but I understand some people feel that way. For that, I want to deeply apologize. This was not my intent.
I also understand, that there are quite a lot of Koreans, living in Korea and all over the world, messaging me over the weekend, affirming me that they love the set and that there is absolutely nothing wrong with it. I really appreciate all of you. Thank you so much!
So, long story short, here is what is going to happen:
A. The name of this Set will be changed from "GMK Hanguk" to "GMK Taegeukgi".
I deeply regret that some people felt their culture disrespected. By this change, I want to take the focus off of the "culture". And I think it makes sense, since the complete set has the original, specified colors of the Korean Flag anyways, as well as I have all of this in my novelties, too (Taegeuk, Trigrams i.e.).
(https://i.imgur.com/RjH9q3E.png)
B. The kits will be renamed to what they actually are without metaphoric Food-related names. Matching to the new name, the kits names will be named after the 4 trigrams of the flag: geon, ri, gam and gon.
C. The generic rice novelty will be changed to a novelty of a Hahoetal Mask. I had this planned from the beginning and was never satisfied. I want to make sure that I am satisfied now before changing it.
(https://i.imgur.com/mlVO0B6.jpg)
(work in progress)
I just hope by this changes, I am able to make it up to some of you.
Kind Regards,
SMOKEY aka. Chris
Post by: dandruff on Mon, 12 October 2020, 04:39:12
Edit: For the record, I don't think the enter novelty was something that people discussed about (unless the change was to match the set's new name more)
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 12 October 2020, 04:44:53
Edit: For the record, I don't think the enter novelty was something that people discussed about (unless the change was to match the set's new name more)
I thought it made sense, since I do not want to step on someones foot again. Not sure about that change though.
**edit**
will not be changed.
Post by: myseriousdark14 on Mon, 12 October 2020, 06:29:43
Also, stop hiding behind your intentions. Impact matters (especially in a communal society like Korea) and the fact is you made a cringey AF set that is a poor representative of the subject matter (Japanese tableware, scallions sprinkled over cables--WTF).
You dismiss criticism you don't like as "subjective" and refer to them as "allegations" while avoiding addressing them (sounds like a certain orange-toned world leader we all know). Sorry, but there is no conspiracy against you. You made a bad set and people are calling you for it. No one is making "allegations," just simply voicing their opinions which you claim to respect. Well, respect them by listening--actually listening--and not writing them off as being non-objective.
You also continue to emphasize that many native Koreans have continued to voice their support for the set. That's great, but it doesn't negate the criticism from other parts of the Korean diaspora, none of which you have responded to in any meaningful manner. I hope you can understand that.
Good luck with the GB.
Post by: Emir on Mon, 12 October 2020, 07:00:11
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
Post by: Philbeey on Mon, 12 October 2020, 08:59:05
I thought it made sense, since I do not want to step on someones foot again. Not sure about that change though.
My two cents have been throw in already but I'm with Emir generally on this one.
As MySeriousDark has shown it's simply a matter of subject matter and taste rather than one of genuine offence.
Allegations and lack of address being the main points despite the ironic lack of anything being fleshed out beyond "it's cringy"
Some people are looking for a fight and a set that pleases everyone. That's simply not happening.
If you do wish to change names and modifiers by all means.
However the enter key isn't something that was really discussed. Honestly the only thing that was truly discussed is lacquer wear and chopsticks and people who aren't getting the set saying "they've never been a fan of it".
People have legitimate concerns and opportunities a plenty and have been given weeks and months in advance to act.
Things haven't just happened by SMOKEYs hand alone without them here and other feedback did happen.
There are places to request deep cut insights into a culture.
I've still to hear absolutely anyone state how that could be on a keycap set.
Without simply diluting the markers of the set in an all or nothing fashion.
Early examples of productive feedback are a plenty early in so it's definitely not a case of impossibility.
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Post by: harlekein on Mon, 12 October 2020, 09:33:12
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 09:46:03
I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
I would implore someone like who you has had many successful group buys (6 right?) to watch the video because it brings up points of consumerist choice. People should be spending more time thinking how they should be spending their money and what the set represents. "ooooooo kbbq!!!!" is what a lot of people got from glancing at this set but internally there was a lot more going on. This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unempathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent a certain group of them?
Post by: myseriousdark14 on Mon, 12 October 2020, 10:12:20
This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unrmpathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent them a certain group of them?
Such a good point. Designers should be humble and empathetic, without ego. That's how you become a great designer. Not hiding behind their filmsy "good intentions"
Post by: elmo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:11:26
This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unrmpathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent them a certain group of them?
Such a good point. Designers should be humble and empathetic, without ego. That's how you become a great designer. Not hiding behind their filmsy "good intentions"
says the guy with an alt with 4 posts on this forum...
I think Smokey has been more than empathetic on this IC and he implemented a ton of changes on request from other people and when someone came up with some constructive and valid criticism it usually didn't take long for those changes to be made to the set.
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What does it matter that someone decided to make that video 2 weeks before the GB?
It matters because this IC is up for over four months now and a lot of other people have made valid requests and brought up constructive criticism for things that should get changed on the set.
And pretty much all those requested changes were made.
If someone makes a literal hate video (yes that's what it was. it was far from constructive criticism) two weeks before the set is going into groupbuy he can't expect that everything that he doesn't like gets immediately changed.
He had more than enough time to fill out the IC form and request changes based on real constructive criticism instead of making a 40 minute video crying about "why I hate this set".
And quite a few of the points that this dude made in his video are total utter garbage claims.
For example: "imagine someone making a canadian set with maple syrup, hockey and maple leafs. This would be against canadian culture as well"
How else would someone make a set about canada?
And you wanna know whats even funnier? Deskhero who is from canada thought that this would actually be a nice idea for a keycap set.
Another example:
Someone is making a set themed to the Oktoberfest rn. Do I have to be mad at him now because I'm german and the Oktoberfest doesn't represent german culture at all?
I think you are overexaggerating the importance of a stupid KEYCAP SET quite a bit.
It's plastic that you put on a keyboard. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But please stop crying and complaining so much.
I think quite a few other people really like this set and the designer of this is far from unempathatic.
Post by: aslanxdeft on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:28:53
What does it matter that someone decided to make that video 2 weeks before the GB? Some people won't see this set until the last day of the GB. Are you going to turn them away if they want to buy it? The timing is out of your hands, as well as theirs for that matter, regardless of how long the IC has been up.Why even make an alt account. Just post it on your main if you stand behind your message.
Also, stop hiding behind your intentions. Impact matters (especially in a communal society like Korea) and the fact is you made a cringey AF set that is a poor representative of the subject matter (Japanese tableware, scallions sprinkled over cables--WTF).
You dismiss criticism you don't like as "subjective" and refer to them as "allegations" while avoiding addressing them (sounds like a certain orange-toned world leader we all know). Sorry, but there is no conspiracy against you. You made a bad set and people are calling you for it. No one is making "allegations," just simply voicing their opinions which you claim to respect. Well, respect them by listening--actually listening--and not writing them off as being non-objective.
You also continue to emphasize that many native Koreans have continued to voice their support for the set. That's great, but it doesn't negate the criticism from other parts of the Korean diaspora, none of which you have responded to in any meaningful manner. I hope you can understand that.
Good luck with the GB.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:34:27
I think you are overexaggerating the importance of a stupid KEYCAP SET quite a bit.
It's plastic that you put on a keyboard. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But please stop crying and complaining so much.
This is the exact method of thinking that hits home the point of the video. The more you simplify cultural appropriation to "well just don't buy it" and "it's just plastic why are you getting so mad" the faster it becomes integrated into the entire system. There is CLEARLY still an opportunity to see change and get somewhere with these points, proven by the runner making changes.
Post by: grundlemere on Mon, 12 October 2020, 11:41:53
I appreciate similarly those who brought up issues they had with my own designs in a thoughtful way, even when I could tell they were clearly upset about certain choices I made. It was a great opportunity to have an important conversation, and to get the visual language right for what is essentially a love letter to another culture. Some things I changed, some things I didn't, and thanks to them, the product turned out far better for it, and in the true spirit of an interest check, it was a great chance to have a collaborative effort with the whole community. What I did not do was run out and make any changes that were demanded of me by people who were not going to be happy unless I made the exact choices they would have made, and delivered these demands in a way I wouldn't talk to a stray dog. What I did do was talk through issues with a lot of friends and acquaintances, learn a lot from them, and make the work better.
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 12 October 2020, 12:01:57
I appreciate every response. The ones liking what I did, complimenting it and the ones giving me criticism. I can only learn from them. And one can only learn from making certain mistakes. I can‘t do more than saying that I apologize if someone felt or feels offended.
In fact, in the video were some good points, absolutely no doubt about that. But when it comes to a point when people talk about how maschine f‘ed up when he rendered my set on Geist with the wrong porcellaine or chopsticks, bashing Salvun because he depicted our artisan collab on a tray, the GSK artisan in front of a SK flag or keebstuff sprinkling scallions on a cable product picture, this is just ridiculous and hateful.
But I think now would be the time to move on. Everything that needs to be said was said, I think.
Post by: clacktalk on Mon, 12 October 2020, 12:36:06
Like I said.
I appreciate every response. The ones liking what I did, complimenting it and the ones giving me criticism. I can only learn from them. And one can only learn from making certain mistakes. I can‘t do more than saying that I apologize if someone felt or feels offended.
In fact, in the video were some good points, absolutely no doubt about that. But when it comes to a point when people talk about how maschine f‘ed up when he rendered my set on Geist with the wrong porcellaine or chopsticks, bashing Salvun because he depicted our artisan collab on a tray, the GSK artisan in front of a SK flag or keebstuff sprinkling scallions on a cable product picture, this is just ridiculous and hateful.
But I think now would be the time to move on. Everything that needs to be said was said, I think.
not sure what you were expecting when you labeled a keyset to represent an entire country or the country's flag. why are people getting offended at my good intentions??!
and why aren't you genuinely apologetic for being ignorant? we all have to start somewhere, and no one wants your apology for "if someone felt or feels offended".
besides the gratuitous aggro behind this post, i think you handled this v well.
anyong, back to the woodwork i go (anyong is like aloha in that it could mean either hello or goodbye)
Post by: myseriousdark14 on Mon, 12 October 2020, 12:37:40
Why even make an alt account. Just post it on your main if you stand behind your message.
Like I said, there's no conspiracy going on. This is my only account, which I was inspired to make when I saw the video. And like Smokey just said, I think everything that needs to be said has been. I stand by my message and wish the runner luck.
Post by: Emir on Mon, 12 October 2020, 14:02:26
I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
I would implore someone like who you has had many successful group buys (6 right?) to watch the video because it brings up points of consumerist choice. People should be spending more time thinking how they should be spending their money and what the set represents. "ooooooo kbbq!!!!" is what a lot of people got from glancing at this set but internally there was a lot more going on. This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unempathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent a certain group of them?
People are getting away with virtually scamming their customers by for example mismatching, changing keys at their whim without repercussions. You're still standing there, happy to buy their next set as if nothing happened.
I wish you'd show this level of devotion to paying attention to that and holding those people accountable.
Consumerist choice? I know this very well. Here is some legit critique I faced, and I wish I was making this up:
"IT DOES NOT LOOK LIKE A REAL LIFE FIREFLY!!!!!"
"IT'S NOT EVEN RED"
Not one word about if the colorway itself is good or not, but they choose to nitpick the (imo) most meaningless thing, the name of the set.
Oh I know consumerist choice very well. Do you know how many people actually like the things I put out, but refuse to buy it because of my name? I do. :thumb:
Now stop crying about things that have already been adressed, and let's devote our attention to the one thing that matter - exterminating sacrilegous dixie mods off of the face of the planet. This is a cause worth devoting your life to.
Post by: Kokaloo on Mon, 12 October 2020, 14:04:58
People are getting away with virtually scamming their customers by for example mismatching, changing keys at their whim without repercussions. You're still standing there, happy to buy their next set as if nothing happened.I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
I would implore someone like who you has had many successful group buys (6 right?) to watch the video because it brings up points of consumerist choice. People should be spending more time thinking how they should be spending their money and what the set represents. "ooooooo kbbq!!!!" is what a lot of people got from glancing at this set but internally there was a lot more going on. This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unempathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent a certain group of them?
I wish you'd show this level of devotion to paying attention to that and holding those people accountable.
You should ask Dixie about how much trouble I give him. I wish the second half of my post didn't go over your head, but I suppose I can only do so much.
Post by: Emir on Mon, 12 October 2020, 14:17:21
People are getting away with virtually scamming their customers by for example mismatching, changing keys at their whim without repercussions. You're still standing there, happy to buy their next set as if nothing happened.I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
I would implore someone like who you has had many successful group buys (6 right?) to watch the video because it brings up points of consumerist choice. People should be spending more time thinking how they should be spending their money and what the set represents. "ooooooo kbbq!!!!" is what a lot of people got from glancing at this set but internally there was a lot more going on. This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unempathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent a certain group of them?
I wish you'd show this level of devotion to paying attention to that and holding those people accountable.
You should ask Dixie about how much trouble I give him. I wish the second half of my post didn't go over your head, but I suppose I can only do so much.
You mean that I ignored the part where you answered yourself?
Yes, a lot of designers are unemphatic. Why? Because they don't need to be emphatic, people will buy their stuff anyway. We have people out here laughing all the way to their bank with your money while rerunning the same colorway in 5 profiles and 3 rounds while also having 8 other sets in IC and a simultaneous side GB active while not caring about you at all and not taking responsibility when they **** up in a GB.
Now, what is the solution to that? I think we both know, and we both know we can't do anything about it.
Have a great evening and best of luck with the gb smokey! :thumb:
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Mon, 12 October 2020, 15:25:10
I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
Why is it that whenever you insert yourself into drama, you always feel the need to point out how little you've actually absorbed it, and instead just use it as a platform for saying that we should have less artistic integrity and more sets of all stripes pumped out and clogging the queue? Or barring that, how every set simply must be designed to your standards and that anything less is proof that everyone else is a talentless hack?
You have a lot of opinions on sets, that much is painfully clear. But they're just opinions, and they're no more valid than any others in this thread.
Post by: konstantin on Mon, 12 October 2020, 17:56:32
Smokey, I think you did a wonderful job addressing these concerns, many of which were valid even if the way they were delivered was unnecessarily hostile and undermined the important point they were trying to make. In the end, the set will be better than it was without these changes. I really appreciate the way most people in the community have responded head-on, in an adult way, here on the IC and thread.
I agree.
Post by: slickmamba on Mon, 12 October 2020, 21:02:35
Like I said.
I appreciate every response. The ones liking what I did, complimenting it and the ones giving me criticism. I can only learn from them. And one can only learn from making certain mistakes. I can‘t do more than saying that I apologize if someone felt or feels offended.
In fact, in the video were some good points, absolutely no doubt about that. But when it comes to a point when people talk about how maschine f‘ed up when he rendered my set on Geist with the wrong porcellaine or chopsticks, bashing Salvun because he depicted our artisan collab on a tray, the GSK artisan in front of a SK flag or keebstuff sprinkling scallions on a cable product picture, this is just ridiculous and hateful.
But I think now would be the time to move on. Everything that needs to be said was said, I think.
not sure what you were expecting when you labeled a keyset to represent an entire country or the country's flag. why are people getting offended at my good intentions??!
and why aren't you genuinely apologetic for being ignorant? we all have to start somewhere, and no one wants your apology for "if someone felt or feels offended".
besides the gratuitous aggro behind this post, i think you handled this v well.
anyong, back to the woodwork i go (anyong is like aloha in that it could mean either hello or goodbye)
anyong!
Just add some yellow accents, and change it to JP. Then it'll be an allmight set. EZPZ. Thank you
Post by: Philbeey on Mon, 12 October 2020, 22:05:30
anyong!
Just add some yellow accents, and change it to JP. Then it'll be an allmight set. EZPZ. Thank you
Unironically would have flown without heakseeking from random last minute outcry if so.
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Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 13 October 2020, 01:29:21
new Box Art:
(https://i.imgur.com/7ndOU3D.png)
New Hahoe Tal (Mask) Novelty, more specifically a "Bune" Tal (부네):
(https://i.imgur.com/4FeCmAj.png)
Post by: harlekein on Tue, 13 October 2020, 01:55:50
Someone is making a set themed to the Oktoberfest rn. Do I have to be mad at him now because I'm german and the Oktoberfest doesn't represent german culture at all?
It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.
I think you are overexaggerating the importance of a stupid KEYCAP SET quite a bit.
It's plastic that you put on a keyboard. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But please stop crying and complaining so much.
This is such a dishonest argument. If it's not important, then why are you all up in arms about it?
Post by: low_key_keyboards on Tue, 13 October 2020, 02:10:14
What a super duper amazing list of collaborators!
Big hype for this!
Post by: Tyler on Tue, 13 October 2020, 02:28:26
If I didn't like someone, I would avoid them. If you don't agree with the set, you can decide not to buy it. It sounds insensitive, but it's probably the most reasonable compromise at this stage of the ic.
I wish you could, but you can't make everyone happy.
Post by: elmo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 02:34:17
It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.And I couldn't care less if someone actually did this. I just wouldn't buy it.
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This is such a dishonest argument. If it's not important, then why are you all up in arms about it?Because people personally attacking the designer of this set and calling him "unempathetic" or spreading outright lies about him (mostly in the comments on the video on youtube) is a **** thing to do over some plastic keycaps that have absolutely no importance outside of this hobby whatsoever.
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 09:49:38
Lol so whenever someone makes an insensitive product we should ignore it? Just let it perpetuate stereotypes, exoticism, and insensitive behavior?It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.And I couldn't care less if someone actually did this. I just wouldn't buy it.QuoteThis is such a dishonest argument. If it's not important, then why are you all up in arms about it?Because people personally attacking the designer of this set and calling him "unempathetic" or spreading outright lies about him (mostly in the comments on the video on youtube) is a **** thing to do over some plastic keycaps that have absolutely no importance outside of this hobby whatsoever.
And are you korean? If not you shouldn't be speaking on behalf of koreans who find this set offensive.
Not to mention smokey never gave anything close to a genuine apology for the atrocity he first created lmfao
Post by: NoteMakoti on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:01:51
It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.
I'm gonna be honest, I was actually thinking of making this.
Post by: elmo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:11:31
It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.
I'm gonna be honest, I was actually thinking of making this.
there are people on the german mech discord that would probably even like that...
Post by: fishbiscuit13 on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:15:19
I think you are overexaggerating the importance of a stupid KEYCAP SET quite a bit.
It's plastic that you put on a keyboard. If you don't like it, don't buy it. But please stop crying and complaining so much.
Last I checked, that is literally all you do here. Your double standards are really getting a little ridiculous here. And "crying" is not an effective comeback for legitimate, well-developed criticism, that just makes you look even more petty beyond your childish projection.
Post by: elmo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:24:40
Last I checked, that is literally all you do here. Your double standards are really getting a little ridiculous here. And "crying" is not an effective comeback for legitimate, well-developed criticism, that just makes you look even more petty beyond your childish projection.
Please tell me more
(https://i.imgur.com/3hDmRqL.png)
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:29:15
Last I checked, that is literally all you do here. Your double standards are really getting a little ridiculous here. And "crying" is not an effective comeback for legitimate, well-developed criticism, that just makes you look even more petty beyond your childish projection.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/3hDmRqL.png)
Post by: Kokaloo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:36:51
It would be like someone making GMK Germany which is just black, red, yellow and has nothing but saucage and beer references. It's saying Germany is nothing else but Oktoberfest.And I couldn't care less if someone actually did this. I just wouldn't buy it.QuoteThis is such a dishonest argument. If it's not important, then why are you all up in arms about it?Because people personally attacking the designer of this set and calling him "unempathetic" or spreading outright lies about him (mostly in the comments on the video on youtube) is a **** thing to do over some plastic keycaps that have absolutely no importance outside of this hobby whatsoever.
But they do have importance if you think for a second about how misrepresentation can affect people. I didn't see anybody calling this runner unempathetic, if you're referring to my statement is was totally about the aftermath of Smokey making changes, and seeing some designers feel it wasn't an appropriate decision, even giving the same weak smokescreen reasoning that you are.
Smokey is going MILES to change and make right, while you're still camping this thread thinking that anything but ignorance is on your side.
Post by: Philbeey on Tue, 13 October 2020, 10:38:54
Looks better when you're quoted.
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And aside from the same weak arguments being made which are seemingly blind to plenty of input from Koreans who have viewed and supported and given constructive feedback.
But hey my simple check list a few days back is still unanswered and the concensus seems to be if different people relay the baton around a circle no valid points need be answered.
You can't loop answers back around constantly to avoid giving actual feedback or rebuttals.
We all know you all read the thread so if things are already questioned and answered. Perhaps try to address those instead of feigning ignorance and trying to reset the entire ordeal.
You're angsty passion for a topic doesn't immediately make you an infallible resistance fighter. Especially when there are plenty of us who in fact do support the kit, in fact finding it without fault.
We're not "shutting other opinions down" as ironically is the constant argument. We're just voicing our opposing opinion and as stated, "you don't speak for all Koreans" let alone those of you who are American Korean
Post by: DukeEsquire on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:14:58
This thread and other discussions about the set have made me realize how very unrmpathetic some keyset designers can be, and it's extremely disheartening. If you can't spend an hour watching a critique video and reading how people are affected by it, should you really be in charge of what people are able to buy, especially if it's made to represent them a certain group of them?
Such a good point. Designers should be humble and empathetic, without ego. That's how you become a great designer. Not hiding behind their filmsy "good intentions"
Damn. Is that an attack on Zambumon?
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:18:31
Looks better when you're quoted.
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And aside from the same weak arguments being made which are seemingly blind to plenty of input from Koreans who have viewed and supported and given constructive feedback.
But hey my simple check list a few days back is still unanswered and the concensus seems to be if different people relay the baton around a circle no valid points need be answered.
You can't loop answers back around constantly to avoid giving actual feedback or rebuttals.
We all know you all read the thread so if things are already questioned and answered. Perhaps try to address those instead of feigning ignorance and trying to reset the entire ordeal.
You're angsty passion for a topic doesn't immediately make you an infallible resistance fighter. Especially when there are plenty of us who in fact do support the kit, in fact finding it without fault.
We're not "shutting other opinions down" as ironically is the constant argument. We're just voicing our opposing opinion and as stated, "you don't speak for all Koreans" let alone those of you who are American Korean
I didn't read the whole thread I just found out about this set last night lmaoPlease enlighten me tho as to how the original set and the creators attitude are acceptable in your eyes tho
Post by: elmo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:44:42
I didn't read the whole thread I just found out about this set last night lmao
Please enlighten me tho as to how the original set and the creators attitude are acceptable in your eyes tho
Maybe you should read the entire thread then before throwing in your dumb comments...
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:48:41
Lmao what'd I say that's dumb. I skimmed through smokey's repliesI didn't read the whole thread I just found out about this set last night lmao
Please enlighten me tho as to how the original set and the creators attitude are acceptable in your eyes tho
Maybe you should read the entire thread then before throwing in your dumb comments...
Post by: SMOKEY on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:50:43
Not to mention smokey never gave anything close to a genuine apology for the atrocity he first created lmfao
All this aside, I do, under no circumstances, want to be known as a designer / creator / human being that disrespects a whole country and its culture.
I am not a person like that, but I understand some people feel that way. For that, I want to deeply apologize. This was not my intent.
I deeply regret that some people felt their culture disrespected. By this change, I want to take the focus off of the "culture". And I think it makes sense, since the complete set has the original, specified colors of the Korean Flag anyways, as well as I have all of this in my novelties, too (Taegeuk, Trigrams i.e.).
Doesn't get any better than that, sorry...
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:51:31
Wasn't even gonna bother typing in this thread till I saw u saying if something offends u just don't buy itI didn't read the whole thread I just found out about this set last night lmao
Please enlighten me tho as to how the original set and the creators attitude are acceptable in your eyes tho
Maybe you should read the entire thread then before throwing in your dumb comments...
hilarious attitude
Post by: wukong_bot on Tue, 13 October 2020, 13:53:37
Not to mention smokey never gave anything close to a genuine apology for the atrocity he first created lmfaoAll this aside, I do, under no circumstances, want to be known as a designer / creator / human being that disrespects a whole country and its culture.
I am not a person like that, but I understand some people feel that way. For that, I want to deeply apologize. This was not my intent.
I deeply regret that some people felt their culture disrespected. By this change, I want to take the focus off of the "culture". And I think it makes sense, since the complete set has the original, specified colors of the Korean Flag anyways, as well as I have all of this in my novelties, too (Taegeuk, Trigrams i.e.).
Doens't get any better than that, sorry...
Lol bruh u don't even acknowledge what specifically u did wrong. And ur change is saying ur gonna focus off the culture yet ur set is based on the korean flag which has a ton of cultural significance????
Post by: Philbeey on Tue, 13 October 2020, 14:24:48
Please enlighten me tho as to how the original set and the creators attitude are acceptable in your eyes tho
lolwut why is it on us if you haven't read through an entire thread. This is a forum not a twitter thread, it's basic etiquette in order to stay up to date.
lolwutx2 why on earth is the onus of proof on me? It's not my job to prove the teapot doesn't reside behind Mars. That's your job since you're the one here late in groupbuy spouting problems with no actual reasoning to back it up. Instead relying on poor attempts at snarkiness pandered as wit to get by
What on earth is your thought process here? You don't go into a Pizzeria and say they're making pizzas wrong and then ask them, "Well tell me what you're even doing right! I haven't even seen your menu lel"
Lol bruh u don't even acknowledge what specifically u did wrong. And ur change is saying ur gonna focus off the culture yet ur set is based on the korean flag which has a ton of cultural significance????
It's not all or nothing you realise. You can reduce the focus on something by changing the scope and well... focus.. on it.
Like everyone else you're end goal solution is basically "scrap or nothing", to better let me understand where you're coming from, what exactly would the adjustments be for example.
You've been thus far hesitant to say the least of providing any actual information so here's your platform and opportunity to truly enlighten us since you're hiding behind the bush and beating around it simultaneously claiming profound knowledge of the clear path to the solution. Yet you're entirely avoidant of actually providing anything with a morsel of actual usefulness.
Go on, we can dispense with the cheap personal attacks and theatre and really get to it right now.
Post by: Cubic // esc lab on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:09:36
Post by: myseriousdark14 on Tue, 13 October 2020, 16:23:38
But when it comes to a point when people talk about how maschine f‘ed up when he rendered my set on Geist with the wrong porcellaine or chopsticks, bashing Salvun because he depicted our artisan collab on a tray, the GSK artisan in front of a SK flag or keebstuff sprinkling scallions on a cable product picture, this is just ridiculous and hateful.
Sorry, but you can't just dismiss some of this stuff as ridiculous just because it comes as a shock to you that Japanese tableware =/= Korean tableware.
The fact is that the people you tapped to render/photograph your product presented a set that "revolves around all things Korea" (your words) on a Japanese sushi board with Korean side dishes in Japanese lacquerware, topped off with Chinese/Japanese chopsticks. As the runner, it's your responsibility to catch these things.
At best, this suggests ignorance. At worst, it perpetuates the erroneous notion that all East Asians are the same. Do you think all Western Europeans are the same? Do you think the English are the same as the French, or the Germans the same as the Italians? The number of wars that that continent has seen over the centuries proves otherwise.
So no, the criticism is not ridiculous and hateful. It comes from a genuine place of hurt and disappointment at the continued perpetuation of a monolithic Asian identity, and the inability of foreigners to see us as individuals and not a group. That's disrespect.
Post by: HungHingDaiLo on Tue, 13 October 2020, 21:10:07
Post by: sirm1ster on Wed, 14 October 2020, 05:49:34
I just have to say i LOVE this set! It might not breathe "all things korean", but at least it is very representative of one of the BEST things about Korea: KOREAN FOOD!
There might be some things people have said in previous comments that are true and constructive feedback, just worded in a very VERY bad way. I'm a seasoned traveller with much of my time spent in China and South Korea, married to a Korean, and i just LOVE everything about South Korea.
For sure I will be supporting this set by at least buying something of this set. Maybe not the entire set, but at least the parts i DO like about this set.
Opinions are, and will always be, relative to their author, but facts are there to be understood. Let that be known to one and all here in this thread.
I've only read about half of the new posts since I last stopped by, but it seemed to have run WAY out of proportions and became even up to a certain toxic level or ranting, rather than criticism and constructive feedback.
I am by no means a Korean expert or a native English speaker, so my understandings aren't 100% accurate or my writings 100% to the point. I am just trying to express my emotion on reading this here and supporting the creator of this set, of which I am sure he put as much effort and energy into as he could possible muster.
By creating this kind of (extensive) set there must surely be some oversight in creating and finetuning the details, but I think SMOKEY has done an excellent job so far creating a set as a tribute to South Korea and its culture.
I truly hope this GB meets its successful completion and I am looking forward to purchasing a, or some, parts of the set for my own enjoyment.
Make peace, not war.
Or at least make Korean Food!
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:05:18
(https://i.imgur.com/4Lc0Rf1.png)
Post by: sirm1ster on Wed, 21 October 2020, 02:48:59
Not at all as expensive as I feared they would be. I'm definitely in!
EDIT:
Ok, one more thing to say. Any estimate on when you get pricing on the Golden Star keycaps and coiled cables?
Post by: Jm_123 on Wed, 21 October 2020, 06:40:58
Post by: SMOKEY on Wed, 21 October 2020, 07:11:09
All I can say right now... AWESOME prices.
Not at all as expensive as I feared they would be. I'm definitely in!
EDIT:
Ok, one more thing to say. Any estimate on when you get pricing on the Golden Star keycaps and coiled cables?
Hey! I have more intel on all that in the GB thread, which is waiting to get approved by the mods right now.
Post by: Bepis on Thu, 22 October 2020, 17:56:31
Post by: Philbeey on Sat, 24 October 2020, 10:00:19
Interesting thread... Cool desk mat thoughI know right? Odd how the apparently extremely passionate have disappeared after the bandwagon ran out of outrage.
Lots of smoke but no fuel to the fire it seems
Oddly all stopped at the same time hmm
Post by: SMOKEY on Mon, 26 October 2020, 02:55:48
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Post by: wukong_bot on Mon, 26 October 2020, 11:48:07
Lmao bc there's no point. This set gonna run regardless of what we say or do. And smokey doesn't gaf lulInteresting thread... Cool desk mat thoughI know right? Odd how the apparently extremely passionate have disappeared after the bandwagon ran out of outrage.
Lots of smoke but no fuel to the fire it seems
Oddly all stopped at the same time hmm
Post by: Philbeey on Mon, 26 October 2020, 11:51:35
Lmao bc there's no point. This set gonna run regardless of what we say or do. And smokey doesn't gaf lul
Damn you mean this whole set didn't stop for guys? :eek:
Post by: Leon_TheKing on Fri, 30 October 2020, 06:47:17
I didn't watch the video but I heard there was drama. Who gives a **** what the inspiration or back story to a set is. If it's good looking and appeals to you then consider buying it. If not, just look at a different set. I can't imagine people unironically being offended.
This is exactly why I just scroll past any 1500 word essays about how their grandmas refrigerator door had a loose rusted hinge which forced them to go to a store to look for a replacement where they happened to stumble across a highschool knitting club knitting an arabian carpet with a pattern that ended up inspiring them to grab a bite to eat and they happened to have kimchi at the asian restaurant they went to there so the set is now based on apricots. come on people, what the ****
edit; we have bigger problems in the world to make 40 min videos about, like what modifier legends people are using. wake up
Sorry, I don't even know what to use to sterotype your country. But let's imagine you are someone from the states, and I as an Asian never setting foot in the states come up with a set with Coke, Burger and Donuts and call it GMK USA or as the author now changed "Star and Stripes". What would you think? I think you are the one who should seriously wake up and be more sensative about other people's culture.