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Offline Vintage

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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 15:51:49 »
This is super-exciting. I might hold out for these. And RA or CCnB PBT set would be sick, and worth a big price, IMO.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #51 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 15:55:16 »
Quote from: aggiejy on Thu, 06 December 2012, 16:17:49
I probably wouldn't pay much extra for a PBT set vs an ABS set of the same thing, but I suppose some would.

I am part of the other camp. I have always preferred PBT over ABS, and thus also had to choose dye subbed and lasered over doble shot. No longer does one have to choose. PBT to the people!
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #52 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:28:21 »
Mine came in today.  I did a comparison with an RA set.  Visually identical.  Dropped in water, the PBT sank like a stone as expected. Nice, but not woo-hoo.

I will say they are nicer than the NOS "Cherry" Escape key that came at the same time.

Unfortunately my experience with PBT has been with IBM/Lexmark/Unicomp and Imsto, so I (we?) subconsciously equate PBT with "thick and sturdy."  These are not that.

I like the keys and I am glad I bought a sample set to see and touch.  But I am not going to pay triple over ABS double-shots any time soon.

Just my $.02,

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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #53 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:29:54 »
Got my arrows.  Looking forward to using them over the next 20 years with no shine. :D
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #54 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:54:26 »
Quote from: samwisekoi on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:28:21
Unfortunately my experience with PBT has been with IBM/Lexmark/Unicomp and Imsto, so I (we?) subconsciously equate PBT with "thick and sturdy."  These are not that.

Yeah! This is what I was trying to say.  It's not that I don't prefer PBT over ABS, it's just that besides texture durability, there isn't really any difference.  So the difference in the price would be just for that I guess... unless I'm missing something?
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #55 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:35:31 »
Quote from: aggiejy on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:54:26
Yeah! This is what I was trying to say.  It's not that I don't prefer PBT over ABS, it's just that besides texture durability, there isn't really any difference.  So the difference in the price would be just for that I guess... unless I'm missing something?

Frankly, I think the difference is huge. I have never ever gotten any visible wear on my PBT keys. None.
ABS in shiny in about a week, especially the space bar where the spots and general unevenness of the wear makes it more noticeable.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #56 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:41:18 »
I agree with damorgue.  Even without the thickness or even the texture of traditional PBT caps, the durability is worth extra to me.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #57 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:53:01 »
Quote from: damorgue on Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:35:31
Quote from: aggiejy on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:54:26
Yeah! This is what I was trying to say.  It's not that I don't prefer PBT over ABS, it's just that besides texture durability, there isn't really any difference.  So the difference in the price would be just for that I guess... unless I'm missing something?

Frankly, I think the difference is huge. I have never ever gotten any visible wear on my PBT keys. None.
ABS in shiny in about a week, especially the space bar where the spots and general unevenness of the wear makes it more noticeable.

Fair enough -- now if only SP had PBT spacebars.  Which they don't.

Quote from: Signature Plastics
We do not currently mold spacebars in PBT material.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #58 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:54:39 »
Yeah, I used an old IBM board at work and I am petty sure they were PBT. The keys felt awesome and there was no texture missing. And you could tell they treated that board like ****.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #59 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:55:09 »
Quote from: hashbaz on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:29:54
Got my arrows.  Looking forward to using them over the next 20 years with no shine. :D

So SP has lost you as a customer for any more arrow keys?
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #60 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:58:11 »
Quote from: rowdy on Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:55:09
So SP has lost you as a customer for any more arrow keys?

That's what different colors are for.
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #61 on: Fri, 07 December 2012, 19:16:39 »
I have always believed space bars to be the primary concern when it comes to ABS. If I could have a PBT space bar colour-matched to the ABS sets, that would increase the longevity of the DS sets by quite a lot. Black and white PBT spacebars are common, the others, not so much. Dolch PBT anyone?
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #62 on: Sat, 08 December 2012, 01:04:09 »
Quote from: alaricljs on Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:58:11
Quote from: rowdy on Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:55:09
So SP has lost you as a customer for any more arrow keys?

That's what different colors are for.

Touche :)
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 09 December 2012, 22:00:21 »
Can one of you folks that received the arrow set post pics.  Thanks
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Re: SP doubleshot PBT arrow set
« Reply #64 on: Mon, 10 December 2012, 09:36:10 »
Quote from: damorgue on Fri, 07 December 2012, 17:35:31
Quote from: aggiejy on Fri, 07 December 2012, 16:54:26
Yeah! This is what I was trying to say.  It's not that I don't prefer PBT over ABS, it's just that besides texture durability, there isn't really any difference.  So the difference in the price would be just for that I guess... unless I'm missing something?

Frankly, I think the difference is huge. I have never ever gotten any visible wear on my PBT keys. None.
ABS in shiny in about a week, especially the space bar where the spots and general unevenness of the wear makes it more noticeable.

I said BESIDES texture durability, there isn't a noticeable difference. I'd be curious if anyone disagrees after having *these* caps.
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