[IC] DCS Korean ... (Alps + MX) 01/05/2024 New Form!

[spoonr00t]

Hello everyone,

Just wanted to share a project I started working on recently and see if anyone was interested in it as well

Inspiration
I wanted an Alps keyset with Hangul/Korean sublegends, but I don't think there are many besides some old Goldstar (now LG?) boards and a board called the JINPOONG Foldable. I tried looking around but the only thing I found was a listing on MechMarket made 5 years ago. I thought it would be pretty cool to "modernize"  it and try to run it in DCS. I also like beige :^)

JINPOONG Foldable (진풍 폴더블)
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/review/99137
http://www.kbdmania.net/xe/photo/516538

Couldn't find images of the Goldstar besides the mm listing :[

IC Form
IC Form #2
IC Form #3
IC Form #4


Updated Kitting (Mostly finalized? Open to suggestions)

Base Kit


Extensions Kit


Keys marked with an X (or in the red) are shine-through keys

I'm also hoping for doubleshot ABS but it seems that SP does not offer a lot of molds for sublegends, so if doubleshot ABS doesn't work out this project will probably run as dye-sub PBT (or just not run lol).
Good news! SP has the molds for double shot Korean sublegends for DCS!

Specifics
Manufacturer: Signature Plastics
Profile: DCS, 1-1-2-3-4-4
Material: Doubleshot ABS
Colors: SP stock colors

Pricing
Pricing does not include any vendor fees yet (I also refuse to make money off of this set).
Base kit: ~$133 per set @ 50MOQ, ~$109 per set @ 100 MOQ.
Extension: ~$36 @ 50MOQ, ~$28 @ 100MOQ
Alphas: $36 @ 50MOQ, $23 @ 100MOQ

8/22/2023: Getting updated quotes for base and extension kit.
8/23/2023: Quotes updated

Currently asking for quotes with MX compatibility or dye-sub PBT. I will also reach out again for just the Korean alphas kit because doubleshot ABS is possible. Update below.

Other notes and thoughts:
I was considering making this just an alphas kit, as I was hoping it could match with paulgali's DCS 9009, but with concerns regarding sublegend molds and possibly going with dye-sub PBT, I just decided on a full kit as I'm not sure how well SP stock colors (from ABS and PBT) match each other.

As this is my first "project" (and post), I would appreciate any feedback and help to get this going (how to best split the kitting up, any missing keys, which icons to use for mods and where to find them, general overall feedback, etc.)

Thanks for checking this out!

8/1/2023 Update:
- Good news! SP does have the molds for doubleshot Korean sublegends in DCS from a project they did "some years ago". The prices for the whole base kit have been listed for 50 and 100 MOQ. I am currently asking for quotes regarding MX stems and dye-sub PBT (but I'll probably stick with ABS). I am also asking for what font they used for the Hangul sublegends.
- There are some small issues with the kitting however. First, SP does not offer convex keys in DCS, so the 3 Alice bars (2.75u, 2.25u, and 2u spacebars) will have to be concave instead of convex. The BAE will need text on the bottom and regular ISO enter keys will need text on the upper portion, but I think those are standard and just my errors in KLE.
- I will try to reach out to paulgali and see if I can get the same Stock color codes he used for 9009 so that this could just be an alphas kit. Woops, forgot that they were on his IC

8/10/2023 Update:
- Trying to fix mistakes in base kit (thanks for pointing them out yall!), will submit for an updated quote ASAP
- Got quotes for MX stems, dye-sub, and alphas only. MX: same pricing as alps, just separate MOQs; Dye-sub: $137 @ 50MOQ, $120 @ 100MOQ; Alphas only: $36 @ 50MOQ, $23 @ 100MOQ.
- Based on the quotes, will probably not run this set as dye-sub
- Will likely make one separate kit (extensions) for macro column, windowed keys, and R5
- Need someone to make renders lol, send suggestions (but to be fair it's just beige)
- Linked a new IC form pls fill out
- Looking for vendors

8/22/2023 Update:
- Decided to move BAE to the extensions kit BUT it will have the proper support in that kit.
- Added 4-key 40s support to base kit
- Made an extensions kit for more support of older boards
- Still need help with renders (it's still just beige/9009)
- Still need a vendor
- Eggplant for you as well Mr. Blacksimon

9/8/2023 Update:
- Still no vendors
- Still no renders
- Ngl sets postponed alps dead, dcs dead, not worth enough for vendors to take on. o7

10/12/2023 Update:
- Eh why not I'm gonna try to get this going again
- New IC form
- DCS good.
- Still no vendors or renders but I have hope

11/26/2023 Update:
- No Gorton/WYSE legends, only Cherry
- dcs still good
- vendor waiting room
- will just be rendered as a gmk set, dcs and cherry are kinda close so will just be following suit of dcs pingmaster renders

[Neely_12]

I like DCS but don’t use alps. Would buy if there was a mx version 

[shallot]

no offence to your work but i’m sick to death of beige alps sets. almost every set since dcs alps yuri has been beige. will we ever see colors again?

[spoonr00t]

no offence to your work but i’m sick to death of beige alps sets. almost every set since dcs alps yuri has been beige. will we ever see colors again?

I'd love to do a colorful Alps set but I'm just worried that a certain colorway could be too polarizing and the set won't reach MOQ 😅 I also wanted to stay true to the older boards this set was "inspired" by. Also beige good

I like DCS but don’t use alps. Would buy if there was a mx version 

Heard and currently considering after seeing some of the other responses on the IC form. I would love to run this as an alphas only kit so it can be used with paulgali's 9009 but I'm still waiting on a response from SP regarding doubleshot ABS vs dyesub PBT (to see if this could match with DCS 9009).
Also concerned about running this when there is GMK Classic Beige + Hangul, but if people are set on DCS, I'd be happy to try to run this as both Alps and MX as well

[spoonr00t]

oh and reserved I guess

[twitchytheinsideman]

pog.

wanna buy alps and mx base

[twitchytheinsideman]

no offence to your work but i’m sick to death of beige alps sets. almost every set since dcs alps yuri has been beige. will we ever see colors again?

I didnt know that Pingmaster, Reaper and WOB were beige.

“almost every set” - so only 9009?

[kajahtaa]

I enjoy PBT and have 200 Alps sitting around so seems pretty awesome

[aa212121]

I much much prefer DCS 9009 ABS over DCS Pingmaster PBT for feel and sound. Pingmaster feels chalky and sounds muted than 9009. Pingmaster legends and sub are a lot thicker too. Unsure if that's just Pingmaster or all DCS PBT.

[spoonr00t]

I much much prefer DCS 9009 ABS over DCS Pingmaster PBT for feel and sound. Pingmaster feels chalky and sounds muted than 9009. Pingmaster legends and sub are a lot thicker too. Unsure if that's just Pingmaster or all DCS PBT.

Good news! SP does offer Korean sublegends molds for DCS, so I think I'll be going with doubleshot ABS. I have also received from feedback from the form I posted that there are some issues with binding with DCS 9009, so if anyone has any thoughts on PBT vs ABS, please let me know!

On another note, I will think about a 40s kit. I may need some help as I don't really use 40s though 😅

[twitchytheinsideman]

I much much prefer DCS 9009 ABS over DCS Pingmaster PBT for feel and sound. Pingmaster feels chalky and sounds muted than 9009. Pingmaster legends and sub are a lot thicker too. Unsure if that's just Pingmaster or all DCS PBT.

Good news! SP does offer Korean sublegends molds for DCS, so I think I'll be going with doubleshot ABS. I have also received from feedback from the form I posted that there are some issues with binding with DCS 9009, so if anyone has any thoughts on PBT vs ABS, please let me know!

On another note, I will think about a 40s kit. I may need some help as I don't really use 40s though 😅

3key 40s included in base is all it needs:
Row 2 1.75u Backspace
Row 3 1.25u Tab
Row 3 1.5u Enter

[audax989]

Down for an ALPS set.

[CoolPenguin1]

Consider doing something for an XT column and adding a 00 to the basekit. Also the 1.75u control is 1.5u in the KLE screenshot. I'd definitely pick this up if there's a MX option.

Edit: Also if you want to be extra based put in some stepped 1.5us.

[HappyB0T]

+1 for mx happy to see the title change. Good stuff

[TheGreenLion172]

Set looks good , any idea on whether you're using cherry or wyse/gorton?

[The0rigina1]

105 at 100 moq? are you sure? DCS quotes are pretty bad rn I heard

[ELE.WORKS]

maybe,this color is to many in keycaps market

[spoonr00t]

Set looks good , any idea on whether you're using cherry or wyse/gorton?

Wasn't sure, made that a question in the new form!

105 at 100 moq? are you sure? DCS quotes are pretty bad rn I heard

I got these quotes from contacting SP directly. Again, this does not take into account the additional fees vendors would take

maybe,this color is to many in keycaps market

Beige too good im sorry

[unusuaL_]

would prefer to see this set in doubleshot ABS personally, and if the quotes seem better i'm all for it 

[The0rigina1]

Set looks good , any idea on whether you're using cherry or wyse/gorton?

Wasn't sure, made that a question in the new form!

105 at 100 moq? are you sure? DCS quotes are pretty bad rn I heard

I got these quotes from contacting SP directly. Again, this does not take into account the additional fees vendors would take

maybe,this color is to many in keycaps market

Beige too good im sorry

If this is the actual cost then I'm joining 100%. Love dcs, love beige.

[Rob27shred]

More ALPS mount DCS? Yes please!

[CoolPenguin1]

I figured I should add another comment about my thoughts on some of the kitting. I like the idea of a BAE in the basekit but I think it would be better suited for a extension kit of some sort. Right now it doesn't have proper BAE kitting either, it needs a R1 1u backspace and R4 backslash.
Making a extension kit with those and some other extra stuff like something for a XT column would appeal to DCS 9009 buyers as well so if MOQ is a concern that should help.
Also consider stepped 1.5us in the extension kit. I swear there would be more interest in them than you'd think.

[Rhienfo]

If this is the actual cost then I'm joining 100%. Love dcs, love beige.

It probably won't be 105, because vendors do up the price a bit. Would be interesting to see if someone could run a 100 moq by themselves without going through vendors, though I'm not sure if that would work well (or even if sp allows individuals to run gbs, believe they do though)

[The0rigina1]

If this is the actual cost then I'm joining 100%. Love dcs, love beige.

It probably won't be 105, because vendors do up the price a bit. Would be interesting to see if someone could run a 100 moq by themselves without going through vendors, though I'm not sure if that would work well (or even if sp allows individuals to run gbs, believe they do though)

I am aware

[Rhienfo]

I am aware

Oh sorry then.

Also considering all the drama about gbs letting individuals running sets by themselves may not be the best idea currently lol, I feel someone could do and it be in a reasonable time (if they had enough space for it)

[The0rigina1]

I am aware

Oh sorry then.

Also considering all the drama about gbs letting individuals running sets by themselves may not be the best idea currently lol, I feel someone could do and it be in a reasonable time (if they had enough space for it)

Maybe one vendor globally could be the way for this.

[Rhienfo]

Maybe one vendor globally could be the way for this.

I don't think any could run at cost in order to ship the set especially where a lot vendors are struggling.

[XiXora]

Possible to add one more 1u alt key to shore up that 1.5u super support?

[The0rigina1]

Maybe one vendor globally could be the way for this.

I don't think any could run at cost in order to ship the set especially where a lot vendors are struggling.

Wasn't suggesting vendor running at cost really. Less party involved = less cost.

[$W4GK!NG]

this is absolutely amazing, not sure if SP have Hangul WYSE or not but if they do that would be nut, nice kitting as well as the price, GLWIC

[Rhienfo]

Wasn't suggesting vendor running at cost really. Less party involved = less cost.

Oh my bad then. I was mainly referring to an actual person shipping a set out of their home or something to reduce costs. But I quickly realised that with all of the drama of unpaid gbs and such that an individual running one may not be the best idea lol.

[The0rigina1]

Wasn't suggesting vendor running at cost really. Less party involved = less cost.

Oh my bad then. I was mainly referring to an actual person shipping a set out of their home or something to reduce costs. But I quickly realised that with all of the drama of unpaid gbs and such that an individual running one may not be the best idea lol.

That would be very good for every buyer involved but I don't think op would be comfy donating so much personal time doing fulfillment

[Rhienfo]

That would be very good for every buyer involved but I don't think op would be comfy donating so much personal time doing fulfillment

Yeah I think that would be the case for most people, but especially this set cause it seems op won't be making any money, so I don't think that would be a good idea lol.

[aicyborg]

I'm gonna join this on the basis of UK keys in the extension kit.

Good luck with this. I hope you can make it happen!

[spoonr00t]

ngl looking like it's joever 😔 for now at least

[DarkS7R]

Not enough interest?

[Little4Real]

Hope it's not dead. I'm down to buy two sets if it goes to GB.

[aicyborg]

sadge because i wanted this

[Rhienfo]

I can see why this project wouldn't succeed in this current climate, dcs isn't very popular and alps even less so. It would be hard to market this, especially since the only difference between this and dcs 9009 is the korean sublegends.

I would love to see a base kit like this run in the future but maybe only an alphas kit would have to do, just too niche at the moment.

Hopefully one day we get to see this set run, cause dcs good.

[Theman2k]

So sad, really wanted for this to work out.
Maybe making a basic English set instead without the Korean sublegends?
There should be good Alps kits out there!

[Rhienfo]

So sad, really wanted for this to work out.
Maybe making a basic English set instead without the Korean sublegends?
There should be good Alps kits out there!

That's just dcs 9009, which has already run and there are in stock at cannonkeys.

[aicyborg]

Eff it, I'll ask: what about reworking this into DCS Korean BoW?

Then it wouldn't be impeding on 9009 and it could complement the upcoming DCS WoB from Ankit? You might have to relegate KR sublegends to an add-on kit or something but, eh, it's an idea. I am basically figuring it's the beige bit that's putting people off moreso than anything else. Just an idea!

[Rhienfo]

Eff it, I'll ask: what about reworking this into DCS Korean BoW?

Then it wouldn't be impeding on 9009 and it could complement the upcoming DCS WoB from Ankit? You might have to relegate KR sublegends to an add-on kit or something but, eh, it's an idea. I am basically figuring it's the beige bit that's putting people off moreso than anything else. Just an idea!

It would have to be an add on kit, cause bow did not hit moq and to be bought out by vendors, which won't happen in the current climate. This hypothetical set would probably sell less

[Mecxs]

Sad to see this be shelved. Hopefully it can be revived when the hobby starts to enter its next uptick.

[aicyborg]

Eff it, I'll ask: what about reworking this into DCS Korean BoW?

Then it wouldn't be impeding on 9009 and it could complement the upcoming DCS WoB from Ankit? You might have to relegate KR sublegends to an add-on kit or something but, eh, it's an idea. I am basically figuring it's the beige bit that's putting people off moreso than anything else. Just an idea!

It would have to be an add on kit, cause bow did not hit moq and to be bought out by vendors, which won't happen in the current climate. This hypothetical set would probably sell less

I looked before posting and found one set of DCS BoW (note: I don't mean WoB) on KeebsForAll that's long since sold out and has crappy kitting. I personally don't think BoW would fail too hard given there's about five different GMK BoW sets in recent memory to the... as far as I can tell, zero DCS BoW sets.

I dunno. I'm not a GB designer or runner in these terms. I just figured trying BoW and adding a Hangul sublegends kit might be an idea to suggest - that's all.

[Rhienfo]

I looked before posting and found one set of DCS BoW (note: I don't mean WoB) on KeebsForAll that's long since sold out and has crappy kitting. I personally don't think BoW would fail too hard given there's about five different GMK BoW sets in recent memory to the... as far as I can tell, zero DCS BoW sets.

I dunno. I'm not a GB designer or runner in these terms. I just figured trying BoW and adding a Hangul sublegends kit might be an idea to suggest - that's all.

Sorry I didn't see that my bad, You mentioned ankits wob and assumed you were talking about that.

A bow could reach moq, even though it isn't that popular, there aren't dcs bow in stock and in general bow are a bit lacking, I do still feel that if you were to do it korean alphas would have to be an alt kit, similar to how dolch r5 was ran.

[The0rigina1]

Sorry to see no vendors are looking to carry this. There's not much money to be made in a passion project like this that doesn't appeal to the masses.
It's really tragic but with the hobby in such a massive decline, it is what it is. Hopefully it will be revived soon!

[herfalerf]

The lack of interest is a bummer.  I am still unclear as to whether this matches 9009 and it if that is the case I would be in for an extensions kit, the stepped mods as well as the BAE are just too damn good.

[spoonr00t]

Sorry to see no vendors are looking to carry this. There's not much money to be made in a passion project like this that doesn't appeal to the masses.
It's really tragic but with the hobby in such a massive decline, it is what it is. Hopefully it will be revived soon!

Sad to see this be shelved. Hopefully it can be revived when the hobby starts to enter its next uptick.

The lack of interest is a bummer.  I am still unclear as to whether this matches 9009 and it if that is the case I would be in for an extensions kit, the stepped mods as well as the BAE are just too damn good.

Thanks everyone. I'm pretty sad I had to put this on hold for now, but it just seems that the money is in GMK sets. I think the interest was there, but this just doesn't bring in enough for vendors to justify.

This does match 9009 (exact same stock colors), so I could reach out to vendors regarding running the extensions kit alone for now.

Eff it, I'll ask: what about reworking this into DCS Korean BoW?

Then it wouldn't be impeding on 9009 and it could complement the upcoming DCS WoB from Ankit? You might have to relegate KR sublegends to an add-on kit or something but, eh, it's an idea. I am basically figuring it's the beige bit that's putting people off moreso than anything else. Just an idea!

I could reach out to PLB and Ankit about this. Will update you soon.

On another note, I could try to vendor this myself, but I'm not sure with all the recent exit scams if people are willing to trust a one-man job. Regardless, thanks for checking this out everyone, and hopefully I'll be able to get this up again soon.

[DarkS7R]

I would def buy in for alphas only.  Maybe that would be a small push in favor of CK running it since they have DCS 9009.

[spoonr00t]

got some updates on legends, and renders soon :tm:

on another note, its been a while so would appreciate some updated feedback, etc!

oh, and reserved?

[chigi22]

If it's Cherry legends, I'm out. Would be in for base + extension MX and a base Alps kit if you decided to switch to Gorton.

[stomaha]

im in

[conternecticus]

I'm not interested if there's no Gorton/Wyse font 

[aicyborg]

Why Cherry legends? Not nearly as interested in that.

[joy.o]

count me in!

[spoonr00t]

If it's Cherry legends, I'm out. Would be in for base + extension MX and a base Alps kit if you decided to switch to Gorton.

Why Cherry legends? Not nearly as interested in that.

I'm not interested if there's no Gorton/Wyse font 

Unfortunately, cherry + hangul is the only molds SP has at the moment. We could get new molds made but they're super expensive, and I'm not sure how feasible it is for people to pay for it in the current state of the hobby. But if the people want Gorton/WYSE, we can try

[conternecticus]

Unfortunately, cherry + hangul is the only molds SP has at the moment. We could get new molds made but they're super expensive, and I'm not sure how feasible it is for people to pay for it in the current state of the hobby. But if the people want Gorton/WYSE, we can try

That's fair. It's always a good idea to keep the cost down. I'm interested in the GB again. After seeing Superweld's scuffed kitting, this is way better.

[mohawk1367]

im guessing alps stabilizers? not enough for us out here with alps switches and cherry stabs 

[DarkS7R]

im guessing alps stabilizers? not enough for us out here with alps switches and cherry stabs 

Pretty sure it will be MX stabs since it is DCS.

[zlobin356]

amazing project, GL

[spoonr00t]

I am considering running this as Red Alert with KR sublegends instead of beige now...

And yes, will be MX stabs. Might toss in a 10u SB too. Will probably put up another form to get more opinions on things.

[chigi22]

Personally only interested if Gorton and beige

[conternecticus]

I am considering running this as Red Alert with KR sublegends instead of beige now...

Would the kitting be the same if you're doing Red Alert?
I'm down for that one as well. GLWIC.

[spoonr00t]

I am considering running this as Red Alert with KR sublegends instead of beige now...

Would the kitting be the same if you're doing Red Alert?
I'm down for that one as well. GLWIC.

Intending to keep kitting the same, but added a part in new form for inputs regarding changes to current kitting.

Oh yeah, new form! And happy new years everyone.