Author Topic: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE! (Read 67584 times)

7bit · « **Reply #100 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:17:36 »

Quote from: ripster;264186

Alas, somebody asked Cherry and they said no way would they ever sell keys separately. I suspect there is equipment still at the German and Chinese equivalent of Signature gathering dust somewhere.

Anyway, my point is it never hurts to ask if Signature has the molds for different arrows.

Ah, sorry! I did not think of that. I thought you where again complaining about SP-keys are not sturdy enough, or so.

I will ask Mrs. Signature about that arrow issue.

7bit · « **Reply #101 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 15:52:53 »

Quote from: Ekaros;264187

Have to consider this, missing those Alt Gr-s atleast for {[]}, makes me bit uneasy...

Thought it will look much better this way. Also, ...

..., there exist keyboards in German layout, without that {[]}-stuff in the number row.

But I will see what I can do. It's not my layout, so if you like it that way, I don't want to complain.

Minskleip · « **Reply #102 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:06:51 »

Having large centred numbers for the number row too would be very cool.

7bit · « **Reply #103 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:15:41 »

Quote from: Minskleip;264216

Having large centred numbers for the number row too would be very cool.

The numbers will be slightly larger than in my layout-samples. But if you mean just plain 1234567890 for the number row, I think I will put this into the next poll.

Minskleip · « **Reply #104 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:18:55 »

Quote from: 7bit;264220

The numbers will be slightly larger than in my layout-samples. But if you mean just plain 1234567890 for the number row, I think I will put this into the next poll.

Yes, just like the numpad!

7bit · « **Reply #105 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:41:25 »

Quote from: Minskleip;264223

Yes, just like the numpad!

It's really strange, one wants 3 or even more symbols squeezed onto a key, the other wants just one.

Black or grey? It's your choice![1]

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[1]Disclaimer: There must be a reasonable number of weired folks like you and me to include that.

Minskleip · « **Reply #106 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 16:52:17 »

Quote from: 7bit;264230

It's really strange, one wants 3 or even more symbols squeezed onto a key, the other wants just one.

Black or grey? It's your choice![1]

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[1]Disclaimer: There must be a reasonable number of weired folks like you and me to include that.

I want them grey, like the standard

7bit · « **Reply #107 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 17:15:27 »

Prices, given that there will be one order per vote, plus those I take for myself:

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price for 50 or 25 sets | votes | price 
Standard kit ..... $50  |  44   |   $50 
UK kit ............ $7  |   6   |   $28 
AT/DE/SE kit ..... $14  |   5   |   $70 
FR kit ........... $13  |   0   |   n/a 
NL kit ........... $12  |   0   |   n/a 
Colemak kit ....... $5  |   7   |   $16 
Dvorak kit ........ $8  |   1   |  $200 
Modifier kit ..... $18  |  18   |   $19 
Numeric kit ...... $10  |  10   |   $16 
Function kit ..... $10  |  15   |   $12

Not bad for one day.

Good night:-)

SuperPunch · « **Reply #108 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 18:21:12 »

Count me in! I love the dolch/round one color scheme and big centered legends; that was really a perfect set imo.

Thanks for doing this!

*Edit: i may even take two of the standard sets

iMav · « **Reply #109 on:** Thu, 16 December 2010, 22:12:58 »

Quote from: SuperPunch;264275

Count me in! I love the dolch/round one color scheme and big centered legends; that was really a perfect set imo.

I, too, like the first round hope to get something similar...really like the orange WASD (and key puller!) as well.

Snow_Fox · « **Reply #110 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 01:37:55 »

I was just wondering if these would fit a U9BL.

db_Iodine · « **Reply #111 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 02:44:48 »

I only voted for standard 104-key set originally, but I'd totally be in for orange WASD and the keypuller. Also the black F1-F12 keys.

RoboKrikit · « **Reply #112 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 02:52:44 »

Orange arrow keys would look cool. I had WASD there on my Round 1 set for a while and it looked nice with the orange Geekhack key in the opposite corner.

7bit · « **Reply #113 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 03:07:08 »

Quote from: RoboKrikit;264446

Orange arrow keys would look cool. I had WASD there on my Round 1 set for a while and it looked nice with the orange Geekhack key in the opposite corner.

I will set up a 2nd poll about those extras today.

The gamer kit will at least include orange keys for WASD, ESDF, RDFG, 4 arrow-keys, Forward (or forth, or Forw), Back, Left, Right, plus an orange GeekHack-key.

gacken · « **Reply #114 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 03:25:24 »

okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?

Twitchy · « **Reply #115 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 04:04:46 »

Quote from: gacken;264454

okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?

There are two reasons. You are correct to say aesthetic reasons but there's also the fact that these are double shot keys. Double shot keys have the legends/letters moulded into them in a different coloured plastic. So where Filco's printed legends will wear off, double shot legends will last as long as the rest of the key.

The German set will only be made up of keys not in the US "standard" set. If you have a German layout keyboard buy the standard set PLUS the german set to give you everything you need to completely replace your keys.

Most european layouts are based on ISO. Ignoring legends the basic ISO layout is different to the ANSI layout used in the US (Note the left hand shift key and the return key).

ANSI

ISO

7bit · « **Reply #116 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 04:11:28 »

Quote from: gacken;264454

okay, help me out here, I'm a noob.
What's the reason for those replacement caps?

Why would I slap those on a Filco? Pure aestehtics?

Silly question: a German replacement set obviously won't fit an US layout keyboard, right?

Welcome to Geek Hack!

These replacements are for:
- people who own a keyboard with lasered (read: low quality) key caps
- people who need/want extra keys to satisfy their asorted tastes (POSers/Gamers/Geeks/Programmers/System-nerds;-).
- aestetics (click at my Cherry G80-3000HPCUS-2 link below, to see the difference).

Except for that J-shaped Return and that 1 1/4 width left Shift, they will fit an US-ANSI keybaord. Same for any of those national layouts.

7bit · « **Reply #117 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 07:58:22 »

Are there any wishes for additional kits, special languge or alternate layouts?

I ask, because I have got 3 poll-options left for the next poll and don't know what else to include.

here is what I've got so far:

POS kit (including 1-space modifier, 2-space keys to fit over 2 stems (if possible), 1234567890 for top row)
Orange (gamer stuff) kit
Toy kit (orange key cap puller)
Top-Row supplement kit (`~ to =+, 13 keys)
ES kit
FI kit
NO kit

Twitchy · « **Reply #118 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:15:12 »

@ 7bit

Just noticed your avatar. Nice!

msiegel · « **Reply #119 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:34:12 »

Quote from: Twitchy;264467

*great diagrams*

did you make those diagrams? they're great

Moogle Stiltzkin · « **Reply #120 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 10:35:33 »

I'd appreciate it if you could post the picture of the Colemak kit when your able to.

Twitchy · « **Reply #121 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 11:55:17 »

Quote from: msiegel;264623

did you make those diagrams? they're great

No they're all 7bit's work, I stole them from the OP.

7bit · « **Reply #122 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 12:15:04 »

Quote from: Twitchy;264615

@ 7bit

Just noticed your avatar. Nice!

I wondered how long it takes that someone spots this.

This is no artwork! I pulld 11 caps for this, put those on for the picture and pulled them again, because it was a bit irritating;-)

Quote from: Moogle Stiltzkin;264624

I'd appreciate it if you could post the picture of the Colemak kit when your able to.

I added the scheme for Colemak. Please notice that Backspace in the Caps Lock position is missing. Rub Out is part of the modifier kit, but if this is not OK for Colemak-fetishists, I can add Backspace at no extra charge, given that at least 25 sets are sold.

Quote from: Twitchy;264679

No they're all 7bit's work, I stole them from the OP.

You can have/use them free of charge.

In reality these are created with TeXdraw. I created a background image and once I finished a sheet, I put it on top of that background and save it as PNG.

7bit · « **Reply #123 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 12:31:59 »

Quote from: ripster;264626

Awesome Smiley Novelty Key.

With a little bit of effort Signature could make it awesome.
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And if they can pop ASCII into a machine they can print this. I can't even imagine the millions of dollars Signature plastic is leaving on the table, the unimaginative sots.
ಠ_ಠ

I will ask if they can make a ಠ_ಠ key. The 2 a-s sideways with an underscore should not be much of a problem. Don't know if they have these "a with dot in the middle" in stock.

If you want that Awesome-face, then draw a graphic with all measures, such that SP can create it. It will cost $$$, but if there are enough people who want to pay for it, I will include it as an extra.

PS: wait a second! I said: no symbols!

So there will be an AWESOME FACE key included -- period!

RoboKrikit · « **Reply #124 on:** Fri, 17 December 2010, 13:55:01 »

Quote from: 7bit;264701

I will ask if they can make a ಠ_ಠ key. The 2 a-s sideways with an underscore should not be much of a problem. Don't know if they have these "a with dot in the middle" in stock.

That is Unicode char "KANNADA LETTER TTHA" (U+0CA0). If they have the extended Arial Unicode MS font it should be in there.

7bit · « **Reply #125 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 07:13:44 »

Numeric kit added.

There is still room for additional keys to be added to this.

Soarer · « **Reply #126 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:07:49 »

I hadn't voted for the numeric kit, but I would now! :-)

7bit · « **Reply #127 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:43:00 »

Quote from: Soarer;265657

I hadn't voted for the numeric kit, but I would now! :-)

I count your vote in.

Anyway, ...

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Standard kit ...... $50   51
UK kit ............. $7    7
AT/DE/SE kit ...... $14    5
FR kit ............ $13    1
NL kit ............ $12    0
Colemak kit ........ $5    8
Dvorak kit ......... $8    2
Modifier kit ...... $18   18
Numeric kit ....... $10   11
Function kit ...... $10   16

The only kits which would not happen right now are FR, NL and Dvorak.

UK, AT/DE/SE and Colemak will be a bit more expansive if everybody takes only one set.

For Modifier, Numeric and Function you have to add at least 5 (for myself), so these are quite near the 25 sets minimum.

lowpoly · « **Reply #128 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 08:50:11 »

Std + Colemak for me. If Colemak will happen.

I'd prefer the alpha symbols to be a bit smaller.

And a suggestion for an extension pack: the darker keys in the lighter shade.

sixty · « **Reply #129 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:31:08 »

Dropping this in here too just to be safe.

7bit · « **Reply #130 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:43:15 »

Quote from: sixty;265717

Dropping this in here too just to be safe.
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Thanks for the pic. When we ask SP to do the Leopold-spacebar, we need the exact measures (maybe up to a 10-th of a millimeter; don't know what the tolerances are)

Sixty, could you please take the measures?

7bit · « **Reply #131 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 10:52:31 »

Quote from: ripster;265667

OOoo. A money key!

That one has to be green.
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LOL! That ain't no money key! That's a mathmode-, shell-variable-, end-of-line-, and many more purposes-key!!!

Everybody knows that € is the sign for money!

Quote from: ripster;265667

And if they can do Wingdings 0x37....
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I will keep that 17 or 18-pin connector in mind for the next poll to be inclued to the Toy kit.

adamgoldberg · « **Reply #132 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:01:44 »

I'm in for a standard set (at least).

Also, I have all the gear necessary to ship from here, if there's still a need for a US-based shipper.

7bit · « **Reply #133 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:20:28 »

Quote from: adamgoldberg;265760

I'm in for a standard set (at least).

Also, I have all the gear necessary to ship from here, if there's still a need for a US-based shipper.

You own a key caps collation machine? Why didn't you tell us before?

ps: Thanks for offering help, but I think I found at least two GHers to do the job.

adamgoldberg · « **Reply #134 on:** Sun, 19 December 2010, 12:37:05 »

Quote from: 7bit;265766

You own a key caps collation machine? Why didn't you tell us before?

ps: Thanks for offering help, but I think I found at least two GHers to do the job.

Ha! I meant "I'm equipped to do (general-purpose) shipping from here"...

AvroArrow · « **Reply #135 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:09:06 »

Before I vote/commit, I just want something clarified. So does the Standard Kit ($50+S&H) consists of:
- standard 104 keys (w/sterile numpad keys, text cursor keys, super instead of win/apple/other keys)
- stepped Control + Caps Lock
- wide flat Control (to replace std caps lock)
- 2x Geek Hack keys
- standard 4 arrow keys

for a total of 113 key caps?

I ask because the standard arrow keys aren't pictured in the Standard-Layout picture and the other additional 5 are pictured.

vegaman · « **Reply #136 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:19:15 »

Bit confusing with 2 threads and polls now. Not sure if I should vote on both?
On the other I voted on the POS kit (I gather this includes all the standard keys along with some choices of different sized keys), the gaming kit and the toy kit.

gacken · « **Reply #137 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 01:50:03 »

@twichty and 7bit
thanks for the answers guys.

I checked all the doubleshot replacement threads, but couldn't find anything
is there an option to get some colored blank keys?
Like some red/white/lavendar/orange blanks?

7bit · « **Reply #138 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 02:16:58 »

Quote from: AvroArrow;266020

Before I vote/commit, I just want something clarified. So does the Standard Kit ($50+S&H) consists of:
- standard 104 keys (w/sterile numpad keys, text cursor keys, super instead of win/apple/other keys)
- stepped Control + Caps Lock
- wide flat Control (to replace std caps lock)
- 2x Geek Hack keys
- standard 4 arrow keys

for a total of 113 key caps?

I ask because the standard arrow keys aren't pictured in the Standard-Layout picture and the other additional 5 are pictured.

I've got to update that. Your list is complete, the arrows will be included.

Quote from: vegaman;266024

Bit confusing with 2 threads and polls now. Not sure if I should vote on both?
On the other I voted on the POS kit (I gather this includes all the standard keys along with some choices of different sized keys), the gaming kit and the toy kit.

Please vote in both! These are about disjoint sets of key caps. I will have prices by Tuesday.

Quote from: gacken;266032

@twichty and 7bit
thanks for the answers guys.

I checked all the doubleshot replacement threads, but couldn't find anything
is there an option to get some colored blank keys?
Like some red/white/lavendar/orange blanks?

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.

db_Iodine · « **Reply #139 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 04:57:28 »

Quote from: 7bit;266038

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.

Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.

Twitchy · « **Reply #140 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 05:11:54 »

Quote from: 7bit;266038

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.

Quote from: db_Iodine;266067

Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.

Me too!

gacken · « **Reply #141 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 06:41:56 »

Quote from: 7bit;266038

Orange blanks will happen (at least for single-sized keys). I'm not sure about the other colors. I keep that on the list for the next poll.

Boy, I'm so in when those are an option.
Colored / Orange blanks. way too yummy!!!

*edit*

Blank ctrl shift, alt, backspace and enter keys would be killer tho...

7bit · « **Reply #142 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 07:03:39 »

Quote from: gacken;266086

Boy, I'm so in when those are an option.
Colored / Orange blanks. way too yummy!!!

*edit*

Blank ctrl shift, alt, backspace and enter keys would be killer tho...

In black these are not too much of a problem (ie pricy), because they could be produced along the other black keys with labels on them in one batch. But orange modifiers will need 25 sets to be ordered.

I will put that into the next poll.

db_Iodine · « **Reply #143 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 07:12:09 »

Well, you can count me as 2, since I'd be ordering 2 sets of orange modifiers.

Kairxa · « **Reply #144 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 09:42:28 »

Quote from: db_Iodine;266067

Now that I think of it, these orange blanks could look awesome mixed with black blanks. I'd definitely buy a set.

Quote from: Twitchy;266072

Me too!

Now this is hot. I'm third-ing.

Soarer · « **Reply #145 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 09:50:50 »

I'm liking the orange set now it has a lot more than just wasd, so I expect I'd have a set or two as well.

wuzle · « **Reply #146 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:11:18 »

Just ordered myself a tenkeyless filco, so count me in for a set. Some of my preferences would be for an orange WASD, all black Function keys, and arrows on the arrow keys. Plus a non-windows windows keys would be nice since I am a linux user. Looks like the 'Super' and 'Meta' will work perfectly.

theferenc · « **Reply #147 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:12:52 »

Meta is alt. Windows is Super. Just for reference.

And welcome to geekhack!

7bit · « **Reply #148 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 15:31:11 »

Quote from: theferenc;266340

Meta is alt. Windows is Super. Just for reference.

Nope!

Meta is Meta and Alt is Alt and Windows is Crap!!!

To be serious:
I know what you mean: Meta and Alt are usually mapped to one key: Alt.

The reason is, because Emacs employs the Meta key for 'buit-in' functions[1]. On the Symbolics keyboards, there is no Alt key (there is an Alt Lock, however). So there had been no function tied to Alt in Emacs. Not even user-defined. Because of that, it is safe to map Meta and Alt to one key.

PS:

Quote from: theferenc;266340

And welcome to geekhack!

me too!

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[1] there is nothing really 'built-in' in a fully customizable editor like Emacs.

theferenc · « **Reply #149 on:** Mon, 20 December 2010, 16:03:12 »

OK, valid point. But I've yet to see any UNIX like OS that didn't have meta mapped to alt.

Windows is still super though :-P.

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Author Topic: Double shot replacements ROUND THREE! (Read 67584 times)