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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #250 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 01:45:57 »
Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #251 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:41:51 »
Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

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oh thanks for the link!

Software DL points to a new website http://kbdlab.co.kr/ which explains why there were kmac firmware hints from before. I guess kbdmania has a website for developing kbs or whatever.  Was definitely worth a look.

THere's even talk of an se edition pcb and plate to support a layout closer to cherry compacts
http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/board_IMBu51/515

edit: firmware mapping software is a 17 mb download that is zip compressed. Uncompressing is 41 mb! That's a good ratio! Appears to run using the QT toolkit, which it includes dll for.

I also recommend you run it with a computer higher than 768 vertical resolution, as my screen on my ultraportable ran out of space :(
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« Reply #252 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:48:38 »
That looks awesome..


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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #253 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:50:33 »
Has a similarity with your avatar :)
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #254 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 21:57:48 »
HUGE NEWS

Supports momentary and toggle function key.

Couldn't be happier.
It's great about the toggle function!
The world is my oyster.
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #255 on: Sat, 28 December 2013, 22:00:35 »
HUGE NEWS

Supports momentary and toggle function key.

Couldn't be happier.

Keymapping software :D

http://duck0113.tistory.com/75

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oh thanks for the link!

Software DL points to a new website http://kbdlab.co.kr/ which explains why there were kmac firmware hints from before. I guess kbdmania has a website for developing kbs or whatever.  Was definitely worth a look.

THere's even talk of an se edition pcb and plate to support a layout closer to cherry compacts
http://kbdlab.co.kr/d/board_IMBu51/515

edit: firmware mapping software is a 17 mb download that is zip compressed. Uncompressing is 41 mb! That's a good ratio! Appears to run using the QT toolkit, which it includes dll for.

I also recommend you run it with a computer higher than 768 vertical resolution, as my screen on my ultraportable ran out of space :(

Ah yes, the bottom layout is what I was hoping for, but won't happen now with the current plate/PCB.  Not a big deal, however, as the bottom two rows of the numpad area can be programmed as arrow keys anyway.



It's great about the toggle function!
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« Reply #256 on: Sat, 04 January 2014, 12:05:24 »
finally, we have duck blocker or not :D
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #257 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 16:27:33 »
I've just learned that the side LEDs are SMD, size 1411 imperial / 3528 metric (3.5mm x 2.8mm).  The resistor value is 470 Ohm. 

Looking at the PCB photos here:
http://duck0113.tistory.com/67

I've zoomed in on a side of a PCB

50020-0

So I'm just confused by what I'm finding.  The LEDs attached to the PCB look like bulbs encased in housing. 

(that's what I find if I look for 3.5mm x 2.8mm LEDs, not "3528")

But then looking at 1411/3528 LEDs on digikey and mouser, I'm finding them looking like this:

http://www.digikey.com/product-search/en?pv16=11763&FV=fff40008%2Cfff80526&mnonly=0&newproducts=0&ColumnSort=0&page=1&quantity=0&ptm=0&fid=0&pageSize=25


Neither quite match, and I'm not sure what I should be looking for.  Anyway, I'm just trying to find a source for replacement LEDs for anyone (including myself) who'd prefer something other than the Red LEDs this PCB will come with.
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #259 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:17:08 »
Even if the height and width are the same, the package does not specify height. So what you have with the huge bubble on it is a (probably cheaper) LED with a plastic lens on it. The option from mouser  or wherever doesn't appear to have a lens on it. If you had the part numbers / datasheets, you could see the intensity vs. angle chart of the LED, and how they differ.

Looking at the case, it should support basically any height LED, as there's a through hole directly under it. What type of LED you want (spotlight / floodlight style) is a matter of personal preference of course.

Personally, I'd go for the broadest "floodlight" (so most luminous flux at wide angles) LED I can get in the hopes that it'll illuminate my desk more evenly (or the plastic blocker thing)

Here's some pictures that also show the LED / holes to illustrate further


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to me it looks like they are using a bare LED like this:


Which makes sense as it's not pretending to be "white" like many LEDs do. "white" LED's will often have a yellow front face. http://xs-led.com/upload/200962618590219.jpg
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #260 on: Mon, 06 January 2014, 20:34:06 »
Thank you--I'm looking at intensity distribution at various angles now.  Looks like all the flat LEDs without any dispersion plastic on top (rectangular slabs or spherical) have a spherical light distribution like this:



Not a very wide range of viewing angles.  On the other hand, the openings in the case some distance away from the LEDs will serve as limiting apertures, so that distribution is probably good enough.  Lots to explore now!
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #261 on: Fri, 10 January 2014, 20:39:01 »
About LEDs:

The PLCC-2 size corresponds to the 3528 (3.5mm by 2.8mm), so search by either / both when finding LEDs.

The red LEDs are likely flowing about 8 mA over it, this means with a 470 ohm resistor, a white LED (what I will be using) will flow about 3.5 mA. This is important to calculate the brightness.

So searching for LEDs is fun,a s the LED size is not necessarily the same as the case size. Even if it's designed for the same solderpads as the rest of the PLCC-2 chips, a lot of LEDs overhanga bit.

Still, given a circular hole over the solder pad area, I think I'm going to go with this OSRAM LED (only partially because of their awesome datasheet) http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/OSRAM-Opto-Semiconductors/LW-T6SG-V2BA-JKPL-ZI/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvyj6n1w4pZD4dKFgDKInlf77CN6aUClfM%3d

Looking at said datasheet, the Vf / If curve balances against the supply voltage / resistance characteristics at about 2.8Vf / 5mA If. Looking at the datasheet this means it'll output about 0.3 the rated Lm, as it's designed for 20mA of current.

Now what about brightness? Since semiconductor doping is still less precise a process than we would hope, they have to test the output for colour and brightness. This is called "binning" the LED, and they sort them by some characteristics into groups or bins. The linked product spans a few brightness bins and colour bins.
LW T6SG-V2BA-JKPL-ZI
Product line: LW T6SG
Brightness bin range: V2 to BA (brighter LEDs)
Colour range: JK to PL (a bit cooler colour temp)
package type: ZI (I think this is PLCC-2 instead of TOPLED, but I'm still not sure).

This corresponds to a brightness of 900-1800 mcd or 3030-6060 mlm (3-6 lm). Operating it at 0.25 power results in .9 - 1.8 lm
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bright enough for me.

Here's the radiation characteristic graph (I like the half polar half rectilinear form of it also)
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #262 on: Mon, 13 January 2014, 11:22:51 »
These are going to be so awesome. Wish I was getting one, but Sherryton wouldn't sell me one (stopped replying to my PMs and emails when I had payment ready)

Maybe someone wants to trade me one + some cash for and LZ-FE
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #263 on: Tue, 14 January 2014, 16:02:06 »
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #264 on: Wed, 15 January 2014, 18:50:39 »
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/

never sherry got our money and escaped to asia
loljk im optimistic it will at least be shipped by the end of the month

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #265 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 04:08:53 »
Any news on when it will be shipped? :/

never sherry got our money and escaped to asia
loljk im optimistic it will at least be shipped by the end of the month

Haha, I wasn't doubting anyone, just that the lack of info is making me nervous. Even if it is delayed for longer I don't mind, I just want to be informed.

Just got an email from originative saying my LightSaver had now been shipped!
Can't wait :D

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #266 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 14:34:15 »
I've received the same e-mail.  While I'm very excited, I'm also slightly confused, as I thought we could add stuff to our orders to combine shipping: like stabilizers (and maybe a few blockers).
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #267 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 15:43:19 »
I think shipping difference refunds have yet to happen. But I'm pretty sure they will happen.

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #268 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 16:15:31 »
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88



It's called the Saver as well :S

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #269 on: Sat, 18 January 2014, 16:19:28 »
It's very nice though more standard TKL-style :)  I'm partial to the original LightSaver for the more unique layout possibilities and look.  I do like that case style for the Viper though, very much.  It's great that Duck has a very stylish and identifiable line of keyboards now--they are all unique but very Duck.
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« Reply #270 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 07:18:54 »
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

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It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #271 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 08:02:10 »
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

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It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.

Yeah, me too. I skipped the Lightsaver because I wasn't 100% convinced of the layout. A standard TKL board on the other hand would be perfect.

The only thing that is bugging me is the angle of the board. I prefer a flat case...

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #272 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 22:15:23 »
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

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It's called the Saver as well :S
hope there will be a gb organized here for this. quite interested in it, but with other color options.

Yeah, me too. I skipped the Lightsaver because I wasn't 100% convinced of the layout. A standard TKL board on the other hand would be perfect.

The only thing that is bugging me is the angle of the board. I prefer a flat case...

So, I was thinking about that as well, but with the PCB mounting to the inside of the upper case, the bottom half is just a "stand" or a riser, so you can have a completely flat case if you remove it.

I'll be using mine at my standing desk most likely, where a raised case doesn't affect me much.

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #273 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 22:52:27 »
I was under the impression that the LightSaver's case is all one piece--tray-style.  It's other designs, such as Saver Limited, Viper, and the latest TKL Saver that have the separate top cover.  Unless you're talking specifically about the TKL LightSaver.
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #274 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:20:10 »
Wow elton, kinda want that too now. :D

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #275 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:38:20 »
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)




http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #276 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:53:27 »
Good stuff  :thumb: :thumb: :thumb:
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #277 on: Sun, 19 January 2014, 23:53:33 »
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)

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http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717

That's pretty trippy

thought for a sec that the riser was on the pcb

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #278 on: Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:09:58 »
I think the top might be stainless steel. If that's the case, then I really want one.

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #279 on: Mon, 20 January 2014, 03:28:00 »
Thanks for
It seems like you can have an acrylic bottom side on the TKL Saver (Now named Orion) if you want your bottom flat ;)

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http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?mid=board_Lsno50&page=2&document_srl=24717

Thanks for these pics! So one actually has a choice whether to use the bottom part or not!

Now I am even more interested in the new TKL board by Duck.

@ Sherry

Do you have any plans to offer a GB for the TKL board as well?


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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #280 on: Mon, 20 January 2014, 14:09:40 »
Kind of OT, but check this out..

http://kbdlab.co.kr/index.php?document_srl=36955&mid=board_dAHG88

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It's called the Saver as well :S

Wow,that's stunning! 
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #282 on: Tue, 21 January 2014, 00:09:36 »
They already have a GB for the Orion in Korea

http://kbd4u.com/product/detail.html?product_no=29&cate_no=1&display_group=2#none

Yeah but it's 100,000 won (roughly $100) more than the lightsaber cost. I'll wait for the viper, myself.

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #283 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 00:17:01 »
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #284 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 08:16:43 »
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...
Looks more like a KMAC to me. Nice backlighting though.

edit: just wanted to respond here to another post. I know the name of the keyboard: It's on the title of the page that was linked. What I'm saying is that it looks like a KMAC to me. In that the construction and design paradigms are very similar.

I wasn't saying that it is a KMAC.
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #285 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:03:05 »
http://kbdmod.com/product/detail.html?product_no=39&cate_no=24&display_group=1
just found that there is a keyboard that has a similar design with lightsaver...
Looks more like a KMAC to me. Nice backlighting though.

I think it is the KBDMod M5-92
I like linear switches

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #286 on: Thu, 23 January 2014, 19:18:07 »
I prefer Duck's LightSaver to that one.  Thicker rectangular borders are much nicer, in my opinion versus that thin rounded tray.  And of course the neat sculpted sides with LED holes.
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #287 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 16:17:43 »
I'm loving that case. I like the thing ronded aluminum more than the fat bezels. The stripe of lighting around the side is pretty tight. $400 though?

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« Reply #288 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 22:02:28 »
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #289 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 22:04:39 »
These look so awesome!

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #291 on: Fri, 24 January 2014, 23:31:52 »
LightSaver photos ;)

Photoelectric , it's awesome as your other  keyboards :thumb:
I like linear switches

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #292 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 01:41:37 »
LightSaver photos ;)



awesome pictures. thank you for sharing.
i'm quite excited for mine!
would anyone know what are the specs for the LEDs for the switches?

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #293 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 08:17:26 »
I've received mine!

Sadly I forgot to buy a very important component, the soldering tools! :x

Will have to delay the assembly for a while :(

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #294 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 11:43:19 »
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?



I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...
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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #295 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 13:55:32 »
I had no idea these were shipping...
I love seeing your photos! It looks like PCB cherry only. My poker 2 plate inserts look a bit different.




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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #296 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 14:56:54 »
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?

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I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...

From what I see in the picture, it needs pcb mount stab

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #297 on: Sat, 25 January 2014, 21:01:26 »
Hey guys,

Do I need PCB-mount or can I use plate-mounted Cherry stabilizers for this kit?

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I've only used the PCB variety before for another kit, and don't have a good idea whether the plate cut outs are too large here for the plate-mounted type.  /noob question...

From what I see in the picture, it needs pcb mount stab

agreed: looks like cherry PCB to me as well.

I cant wait for mine to arrive!

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #298 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 05:13:19 »
LightSaver photos ;)
so much awesome sir!

and dat packaging... i would say it should be like a global-standard or something for sending stuffs.  :D

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Re: LightSaver by Duck
« Reply #299 on: Sun, 26 January 2014, 14:44:59 »
Stupid question but how do you turn the led's on? I've only soldered in the tab button and wanted to make sure things were working but none of the led's turn on when my computer turns on. The button works though. I feel like Im missing something that is common knowledge here.