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Offline ifearghal

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Controversy about space bar flipping
« on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 09:43:12 »
I'm not familiar with this controversy about space bar flipping. Is it a aesthetic thing or a performance thing? Or neither? No idea, I've just seen it commented on a couple of times here and other keyboard forums.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #1 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 10:19:32 »
A little from Column A, a little from Column B. Personal preference is what it boils down to. I also think most people here pretend to take a strong stance on it just for fun.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #2 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 10:35:17 »
Personally, I prefer flipping the spacebar bottom-up, and glue the bar to the switch posts.  That way I have some area for grip with my fingertips whilst hammering away at a sarcastic post.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #3 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:18:38 »
Personally I press the space bar with my forehead. Because of this, I need to flip it, or it just doesn't make sense.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #4 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:31:22 »
I personally believe that if you have a flipped spacebar it's an indicator of poor ergonomics. Your thumb should be over the top of the spacebar, because your wrists should also be above it. From my experience, a flipped spacebar sucks to press if you press down on it from above, it only works if you press it from the side.

But as it's been mentioned, there are always caveats. Some people just type weird.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #5 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:53:07 »
A little from Column A, a little from Column B. Personal preference is what it boils down to. I also think most people here pretend to take a strong stance on it just for fun.

Ah gotcha. Thank you.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #6 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 13:58:49 »
Personally, I prefer flipping the spacebar bottom-up, and glue the bar to the switch posts.  That way I have some area for grip with my fingertips whilst hammering away at a sarcastic post.

Personally I press the space bar with my forehead. Because of this, I need to flip it, or it just doesn't make sense.

 :)) :p

I've now decided to blend your posts and have currently flipped, glued bottom up, and hit it with my forehead. I've noticed a significant difference in my WPM, ergonomics, and ability to post ever sarcastically. Thank you both.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #7 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 18:27:01 »
Just came here to say...

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #8 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 19:06:12 »
Personally, I prefer flipping the spacebar bottom-up, and glue the bar to the switch posts.  That way I have some area for grip with my fingertips whilst hammering away at a sarcastic post.

Personally I press the space bar with my forehead. Because of this, I need to flip it, or it just doesn't make sense.

 :)) :p

I've now decided to blend your posts and have currently flipped, glued bottom up, and hit it with my forehead. I've noticed a significant difference in my WPM, ergonomics, and ability to post ever sarcastically. Thank you both.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #9 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 19:11:19 »
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #10 on: Sat, 26 March 2016, 23:43:32 »
Personally, I prefer flipping the spacebar bottom-up, and glue the bar to the switch posts.  That way I have some area for grip with my fingertips whilst hammering away at a sarcastic post.

Personally I press the space bar with my forehead. Because of this, I need to flip it, or it just doesn't make sense.

 :)) :p

I've now decided to blend your posts and have currently flipped, glued bottom up, and hit it with my forehead. I've noticed a significant difference in my WPM, ergonomics, and ability to post ever sarcastically. Thank you both.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #11 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 03:40:21 »
There is no controversy. Only inevitability.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #12 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 03:57:09 »
Flipped spacebars are a way to stick it to 'the Man.'

Flip your spacebar to see the violence inherent in the system!  ;)

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #13 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 04:14:39 »
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #14 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 05:09:22 »
People who flip space bars often have delicate little hands, and a non-flipped space bar is "too sharp" or something like that.

Occasionally someone will flip their entire bottom row.

And it is not unheard of for someone to flip every keycap on their keyboard.  Although I believe he did that just to prove a point.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #15 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 06:45:09 »
People who flip space bars often have delicate little hands, and a non-flipped space bar is "too sharp" or something like that.

I thought it was the other way round? When you flip it you get the top of the spacebar to hit which is raised up and "sharper"?
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #16 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 06:47:38 »
Tried it. Not my cup of tea.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #17 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 14:59:36 »
I actually tried it when I first got my Shine 4 after having used a Logitech Elite LE for years. The Logitech had a sloped spacebar that I had gotten used to, but like pr0ximity said, I think I was just used to using poor ergonomics as I was pressing the spacebar from the front a bit. Now I'm used to having my wrists straight and raised a bit so I press down on the spacebar like all the other keys and there is no way I'd ever flip my spacebar at this point.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #18 on: Sun, 27 March 2016, 18:45:51 »
I actually tried it when I first got my Shine 4 after having used a Logitech Elite LE for years. The Logitech had a sloped spacebar that I had gotten used to, but like pr0ximity said, I think I was just used to using poor ergonomics as I was pressing the spacebar from the front a bit. Now I'm used to having my wrists straight and raised a bit so I press down on the spacebar like all the other keys and there is no way I'd ever flip my spacebar at this point.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #19 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 06:05:13 »
I tried a flipped spacebar for a few days. I can only see it being useful if you rest your wrists down when you type, and only use thumbs for the spacebar. I do neither and so quickly changed back.
I found it less annoying for gaming as I do tend to rest my hand down for that, however the different angle of the thumb while resting on the WASD cluster seems to make this also slightly less useful than the people who advocate space flipping seem to say that it is.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #20 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 07:15:57 »
I tried a flipped spacebar for a few days. I can only see it being useful if you rest your wrists down when you type, and only use thumbs for the spacebar. I do neither and so quickly changed back.
I found it less annoying for gaming as I do tend to rest my hand down for that, however the different angle of the thumb while resting on the WASD cluster seems to make this also slightly less useful than the people who advocate space flipping seem to say that it is.

What do you press spacebar with if not your thumbs?

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #21 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 08:42:20 »
I tried a flipped spacebar for a few days. I can only see it being useful if you rest your wrists down when you type, and only use thumbs for the spacebar. I do neither and so quickly changed back.
I found it less annoying for gaming as I do tend to rest my hand down for that, however the different angle of the thumb while resting on the WASD cluster seems to make this also slightly less useful than the people who advocate space flipping seem to say that it is.

What do you press spacebar with if not your thumbs?

Forefinger :P You will have to trust me when I say that I have given touch typing a fair chance, but I find id rather stick to my messy, less accurate and more 'exhausting' brand of typing.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #22 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 09:12:37 »
I personally believe that if you have a flipped spacebar it's an indicator of poor ergonomics. Your thumb should be over the top of the spacebar, because your wrists should also be above it. From my experience, a flipped spacebar sucks to press if you press down on it from above, it only works if you press it from the side.

But as it's been mentioned, there are always caveats. Some people just type weird.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #23 on: Mon, 28 March 2016, 09:13:53 »
It depends a lot on the keyboard and keycaps in question. I flip the spacebar on my Topre Realforce but not on my QPAD MK50. I don't flip the QPAD because with its default keyset I found no benefit but that Topre edge is kind of sharp and the keyboard sits a bit higher.

If I had any say in the matter all keyboards would have split spacebars though. I loved that on my old Z-Board (as well as the 3-part removable keycaps).

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #24 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:32:20 »
Forefinger :P You will have to trust me when I say that I have given touch typing a fair chance, but I find id rather stick to my messy, less accurate and more 'exhausting' brand of typing.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #25 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 13:35:01 »
Forefinger :P You will have to trust me when I say that I have given touch typing a fair chance, but I find id rather stick to my messy, less accurate and more 'exhausting' brand of typing.

Hey at least you use your hands; I've seen worse!

I am definitely going to need a followup with this.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #27 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 21:06:23 »
Use an uniform profile and this argument goes out the door :P

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
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Use an uniform profile and this argument goes out the door :P

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #29 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 21:15:45 »
All these points are moot. Ultimate superior ergonomics:


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #30 on: Tue, 29 March 2016, 21:25:38 »
All these points are moot. Ultimate superior ergonomics:

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #31 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 00:04:12 »
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #32 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 01:12:33 »
Are we banning space bar flippers yet?

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #33 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 04:30:36 »
I have tried it on one of my TKL keyboards and one of my 60% boards and on both it just felt awkward and uncomfortable.  Given how awkward my typing style is i'm not one to judge what works for anyone else but for myself i simply don't enjoy it in the slightest.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #34 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 08:18:48 »
I am definitely going to need a followup with this.

Hahah, well there's the 'typical hunt-n-peck' people (my retired father for one), which is always a laugh to watch.  I knew someone at a place in Orlando I worked at for a year a while back that used only his thumbs.  Not kidding.  And I knew someone in college years ago that swears he knew someone else that could type with his lower-extremities, but he worded things rather vaguely (most likely on purpose for entertainment value, or perhaps to minimize shock).
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #35 on: Wed, 30 March 2016, 13:23:28 »
I havent made up my mind on it yet. So far i kinda like it flipped. :rolleyes:
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #36 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:18:54 »
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #37 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 11:20:26 »
the only time you should flip the spacebar is when half of it gets super shiny from hitting it

then flip it so the other half gets some symmetrical love
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #38 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:17:56 »
I'm reading this thread... and thinking... WHY?????

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #39 on: Fri, 01 April 2016, 13:22:34 »
I flip - I just think its more comfortable.  The angle that my  my thumb hits the bar matches the angle of the flipped bar.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #40 on: Sat, 02 April 2016, 01:25:10 »
Hiya all!

I'm reading this thread... and thinking... WHY?????

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #41 on: Wed, 06 April 2016, 09:17:33 »
Hiya all!

I'm reading this thread... and thinking... WHY?????

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Interesting first post for someone who joined more than 18 months ago - why the long wait?

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #42 on: Thu, 07 April 2016, 21:49:53 »
Hiya all!

I'm reading this thread... and thinking... WHY?????


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #43 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:13:19 »
Just came here to say...

#flippedspacebarmasterrace

You know it!
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #44 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:14:07 »
People who flip space bars often have delicate little hands, and a non-flipped space bar is "too sharp" or something like that.

Occasionally someone will flip their entire bottom row.

And it is not unheard of for someone to flip every keycap on their keyboard.  Although I believe he did that just to prove a point.

Why not flip over the whole board with the spacebar on top? Make things interesting for a change?
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #45 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:15:08 »
All these points are moot. Ultimate superior ergonomics:

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #46 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 06:16:16 »
Depending on the board, I flip it as well. HHKB as a more steep profile, so the spacebar is a bit tilted inwards to the center of the board. So I flip them spacebar. It feels more natural for me.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #47 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 17:06:25 »
I flip the spacebar on any board that I use when gaming, because my wrist will be resting on the desk or wrist rest. For work boards I use a normal spacebar.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #48 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:35:33 »
Get rid of it entirely. I'm behind Google on this. It's just too much.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #49 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 20:44:22 »
If you flip it, go flip yourself
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #50 on: Fri, 08 April 2016, 21:00:31 »
Get rid of it entirely. I'm behind Google on this. It's just too much.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #51 on: Sat, 09 April 2016, 02:08:50 »
nobody likes a flip flopper
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #52 on: Sat, 16 April 2016, 22:58:33 »
Ok I have a theory, and hear me out on this.

It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

That said, #flippedbarmasterrace

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #53 on: Sat, 16 April 2016, 23:32:33 »
In my experience it feels more natural in flipped position, but it is entirely personal preference.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #54 on: Sat, 16 April 2016, 23:42:26 »
Personally, I like the feel of it flipped more.  On my RF87U, my spacebar clicked a bit but after I flipped it, the clicking stopped.  Now it's uniform with my other keys with the Hypersphere rings.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #55 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:05:55 »
It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

To be more precise, if your thumb is hitting the edge of the spacebar, your keyboard is tilted wrong for your furniture. You want the top of the keyboard parallel to your forearms. Pull the keyboard closer to your body and flip the rear feet down. If your thumb is still hitting the edge, try tilting the keyboard steeper by piling something under the far side of the board, or try lowering your desk or raising your seat. Most importantly, make sure your wrists are straight.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #56 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:26:03 »
It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

To be more precise, if your thumb is hitting the edge of the spacebar, your keyboard is tilted wrong for your furniture. You want the top of the keyboard parallel to your forearms. Pull the keyboard closer to your body and flip the rear feet down. If your thumb is still hitting the edge, try tilting the keyboard steeper by piling something under the far side of the board, or try lowering your desk or raising your seat. Most importantly, make sure your wrists are straight.


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #57 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:29:47 »
It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

To be more precise, if your thumb is hitting the edge of the spacebar, your keyboard is tilted wrong for your furniture. You want the top of the keyboard parallel to your forearms. Pull the keyboard closer to your body and flip the rear feet down. If your thumb is still hitting the edge, try tilting the keyboard steeper by piling something under the far side of the board, or try lowering your desk or raising your seat. Most importantly, make sure your wrists are straight.

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Ok so you just pull the space bar out, sometimes it helps to use two cap removers, and then when you take the key off the board, you rotate it precisely 180 degrees, and put it back on the board.

I mean that's pretty simple </s>

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #58 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:38:21 »
It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

To be more precise, if your thumb is hitting the edge of the spacebar, your keyboard is tilted wrong for your furniture. You want the top of the keyboard parallel to your forearms. Pull the keyboard closer to your body and flip the rear feet down. If your thumb is still hitting the edge, try tilting the keyboard steeper by piling something under the far side of the board, or try lowering your desk or raising your seat. Most importantly, make sure your wrists are straight.

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Ok so you just pull the space bar out, sometimes it helps to use two cap removers, and then when you take the key off the board, you rotate it precisely 180 degrees, and put it back on the board.

I mean that's pretty simple </s>

I f****d it up.


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #59 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:39:32 »
It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

To be more precise, if your thumb is hitting the edge of the spacebar, your keyboard is tilted wrong for your furniture. You want the top of the keyboard parallel to your forearms. Pull the keyboard closer to your body and flip the rear feet down. If your thumb is still hitting the edge, try tilting the keyboard steeper by piling something under the far side of the board, or try lowering your desk or raising your seat. Most importantly, make sure your wrists are straight.

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Ok so you just pull the space bar out, sometimes it helps to use two cap removers, and then when you take the key off the board, you rotate it precisely 180 degrees, and put it back on the board.

I mean that's pretty simple </s>

I f****d it up.

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My bad, should have specified which axis to rotate. :))

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #60 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 00:49:18 »
Flipping space bar is sin. There shouldn't even be a thread on this. You flipped people know that you are sinning and choose to do so, if you hide the fact or not.

You don't grab the keyboard, you press it. Rotating 180 degrees is stupid. You wouldn't rotate an ice cream 180 degrees and grab it, that's just ****ing stupid.


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #61 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 01:45:09 »

This debate has never cooled down even a little bit

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #62 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 06:59:54 »
Ok I have a theory, and hear me out on this.

It's all about the desk and chair. If your desk is low and chair is somewhat high, your thumb should rest on the curved part of the space bar. On the other hand, if you have a higher desk, your thumb would hit the edge of the space bar, making flipping nicer. Same applies for keyboard angle and wrist rests. High deskers like higher keyboard angles, and low deskers like lower keyboard angles and wrist rests

That said, #flippedbarmasterrace

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #63 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 07:00:28 »
In my experience it feels more natural in flipped position, but it is entirely personal preference.

It feels more natural for me as well. Not sure why so many haters for flipped spacebars.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #64 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 07:00:55 »
Personally, I like the feel of it flipped more.  On my RF87U, my spacebar clicked a bit but after I flipped it, the clicking stopped.  Now it's uniform with my other keys with the Hypersphere rings.

What do you mean with "clicked a bit"?
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #65 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 07:01:52 »
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Actually, it is usually the first thing I do when I got myself a new board.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #66 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 11:10:33 »
I just flipped mine. I must say the angle of the space bar makes a better contact with the side of my thumbs. I'm keeping it like this now  :D

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #67 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 12:21:03 »
the angle of the space bar makes a better contact with the side of my thumbs.

My wrists are almost parallel with my keyboard when I type and I still flip my spacebar. The way my thumb lays on a normal spacebar has the edge hitting my thumb. The thunk is also more satisfying when flipped.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #68 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 13:09:15 »
the angle of the space bar makes a better contact with the side of my thumbs.

My wrists are almost parallel with my keyboard when I type and I still flip my spacebar. The way my thumb lays on a normal spacebar has the edge hitting my thumb. The thunk is also more satisfying when flipped.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #69 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 13:20:04 »
Seems like this would be bad for the switches and or stabilizers. One day I will try it to confirm, but as of right now I don't see the benefit

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #70 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 13:23:07 »
Seems like this would be bad for the switches and or stabilizers. One day I will try it to confirm, but as of right now I don't see the benefit

Since you're hitting the space bar at more of an angle, it would be bad? Makes sense, since it's not a mostly vertical force, but then again, there's also SA R1, which is at an absurd angle, and backspace on most boards is R1, so if there are any problems there there may be some here, but I haven't ever heard of any.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #71 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 15:00:56 »
Seems like this would be bad for the switches and or stabilizers. One day I will try it to confirm, but as of right now I don't see the benefit

Since you're hitting the space bar at more of an angle, it would be bad? Makes sense, since it's not a mostly vertical force, but then again, there's also SA R1, which is at an absurd angle, and backspace on most boards is R1, so if there are any problems there there may be some here, but I haven't ever heard of any.

You are always hitting the spacebar from an angle unless - like others have pointed out - you keep your hand exactly above the keyboard. So I don't really see how the force would be different when you flip the spacebar.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #72 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 21:49:07 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #73 on: Sun, 17 April 2016, 21:58:30 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #74 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 03:51:09 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p

You mean like flipping em bars? Or flipping about flipping the spacebar? :P
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #75 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:19:32 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p

You mean like flipping em bars? Or flipping about flipping the spacebar? :P

Both :))
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #76 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:22:49 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p

You mean like flipping em bars? Or flipping about flipping the spacebar? :P

Both :))

Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #77 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:39:09 »
If everyone stops flipping there won't be any controversy :p

You mean like flipping em bars? Or flipping about flipping the spacebar? :P

Both :))

Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..

I tried it once, flipped a space bar on an MX keyboard.  It felt weird, and looked really off (kinda set off my OCD), so I flipped it back and felt better ever since.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #78 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:51:49 »
Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..

I tried it once, flipped a space bar on an MX keyboard.  It felt weird, and looked really off (kinda set off my OCD), so I flipped it back and felt better ever since.

I can imagine.. but didn't you think it FELT better flipped? Or can't your OCD handle it :p
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #79 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 05:59:29 »
Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..

I tried it once, flipped a space bar on an MX keyboard.  It felt weird, and looked really off (kinda set off my OCD), so I flipped it back and felt better ever since.

I can imagine.. but didn't you think it FELT better flipped? Or can't your OCD handle it :p

No, it did not feel better.  If anything it felt worse.

I might have tried to get used to it for a while (I tried for about half an hour), but seeing the keyboard with a flipped space bar triggered me.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #80 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 06:00:49 »
Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..

I tried it once, flipped a space bar on an MX keyboard.  It felt weird, and looked really off (kinda set off my OCD), so I flipped it back and felt better ever since.

I can imagine.. but didn't you think it FELT better flipped? Or can't your OCD handle it :p

No, it did not feel better.  If anything it felt worse.

I might have tried to get used to it for a while (I tried for about half an hour), but seeing the keyboard with a flipped space bar triggered me.

Good thing you flipped it back then! For me, it depends on how low the front-end of the bar is when pushed down. On my HHKB, when I push down the flipped spacebar it is as low as my case, which is really annoying because I'm tapping on my case every time I hit space, which basically defeats the purpose of flipping.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #81 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 06:04:16 »
Haha. Well.. I really need to flip dem bars. Not because off them looks or to show off but because I genuinely like it more. I'm gonna get hate for this... Impending doom in 1..2..

I tried it once, flipped a space bar on an MX keyboard.  It felt weird, and looked really off (kinda set off my OCD), so I flipped it back and felt better ever since.

I can imagine.. but didn't you think it FELT better flipped? Or can't your OCD handle it :p

No, it did not feel better.  If anything it felt worse.

I might have tried to get used to it for a while (I tried for about half an hour), but seeing the keyboard with a flipped space bar triggered me.

Good thing you flipped it back then! For me, it depends on how low the front-end of the bar is when pushed down. On my HHKB, when I push down the flipped spacebar it is as low as my case, which is really annoying because I'm tapping on my case every time I hit space, which basically defeats the purpose of flipping.

Time to flip it back :p
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #82 on: Mon, 18 April 2016, 09:27:46 »
I have tiny hands and on day one of adopting my first MK i went with flipped bar. I like it and it works well with my typing  and gaming style
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #83 on: Thu, 21 April 2016, 14:23:33 »
I have short fingers and the flipped spacebar means that I never hit a hard edge. But honestly i think that the domed spacebar style of a SA row 3 profile spacebar is about ideal if it came in many heights. All my SA sets I have tried to find the matching spacebar in Row 3 profile.

flipped spacebars are FTW for those of us with short fingers (i.e. like a girl...cus I am one).

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #84 on: Fri, 22 April 2016, 09:47:50 »
I never considered flipping my spacebar, as I only game and don't really do a heap of typing... but I recently got a bro set and that profile really feels better flipped.. pretty sure it's DCS. With my OEM Miami I never really felt the need, but I've flipped the DCS.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 23 April 2016, 12:27:19 »
Time to flip it back :p

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #86 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 09:27:44 »
I want to try flipping to see what the hype is about but I am afraid I will do it and won't want to go back. The peer pressure!

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #87 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 19:24:52 »
I want to try flipping to see what the hype is about but I am afraid I will do it and won't want to go back. The peer pressure!

Don't do it!

Keep the keyboard as the great manufacturer intended!

Have you EVER seen a keyboard shipped from the factory with the space bar flipped?
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #88 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 19:52:19 »
I want to try flipping to see what the hype is about but I am afraid I will do it and won't want to go back. The peer pressure!

Don't do it!

Keep the keyboard as the great manufacturer intended!

Have you EVER seen a keyboard shipped from the factory with the space bar flipped?

This is how I imagined it would look.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #89 on: Sun, 24 April 2016, 21:50:21 »
I just bought my first cherry profile keyset a few weeks ago. The first thing I did was put the spacebar on backwards. I don't even know what it feels like to have set up the right way. You can hate me if you want, but it doesn't make a difference to me. Keysus loves me just the way I am.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #90 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 00:00:09 »
I just bought my first cherry profile keyset a few weeks ago. The first thing I did was put the spacebar on backwards. I don't even know what it feels like to have set up the right way. You can hate me if you want, but it doesn't make a difference to me. Keysus loves me just the way I am.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #91 on: Mon, 25 April 2016, 15:00:33 »
i personally find a flipped spacebar to be more ergonomic. But to each their own.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #92 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 00:38:18 »
i personally find a flipped spacebar to be more ergonomic. But to each their own.

If you are typing "properly" then your hands should be above the keyboard, not down in front.

That being said, I've now got my spacebar (and left alt) flipped on my Varmilo, since I primarly use it for gaming.

But for my "work" keyboards, no way.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #93 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 00:50:45 »
the angle of the space bar makes a better contact with the side of my thumbs.

My wrists are almost parallel with my keyboard when I type and I still flip my spacebar. The way my thumb lays on a normal spacebar has the edge hitting my thumb. The thunk is also more satisfying when flipped.
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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #94 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 00:52:02 »
Save your thumbs!

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #95 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 01:09:04 »
"Because keyboards are accessories to PC makers, they focus on minimizing the manufacturing costs. But that’s incorrect. It’s in HHKB’s slogan, but when America’s cowboys were in the middle of a trip and their horse died, they would leave the horse there. But even if they were in the middle of a desert, they would take their saddle with them. The horse was a consumable good, but the saddle was an interface that their bodies had gotten used to. In the same vein, PCs are consumable goods, while keyboards are important interfaces." - Eiiti Wada

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #96 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 01:52:07 »
Save your thumbs!

Save your sanity!

I'm an insane hypocrite. MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!


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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #97 on: Sun, 01 May 2016, 02:09:17 »
Save your thumbs!

Save your sanity!

I'm an insane hypocrite. MWHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

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Offline JigsawSaint

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #98 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:12:04 »
Just... no to flipping. 

Can we bring back the burning people at the stake for things like this?  And if so, can we reassign their keyboards to happy, less abusive homes after?

Offline dunglefinker

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #99 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:17:52 »
Personally, I flipped all my spacebars on my MX board, but on my Topre board it just feels...WRONG

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #100 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:19:03 »
flipster hipsters are ruining this forum
tp thread is tp thread
Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Offline dunglefinker

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #101 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 10:23:32 »
I just bought my first cherry profile keyset a few weeks ago. The first thing I did was put the spacebar on backwards. I don't even know what it feels like to have set up the right way. You can hate me if you want, but it doesn't make a difference to me. Keysus loves me just the way I am.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #102 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 13:28:20 »
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« Last Edit: Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:10:20 by Computer-Lab in Basement »
tp thread is tp thread
Sometimes it's like he accidentally makes a thread instead of a google search.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #103 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 14:19:36 »
The good part for those complaining about some others flipping their space bars is that 6u space bars are not symmetrical, therefore, they cannot be flipped.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #104 on: Thu, 12 May 2016, 17:54:47 »
I just bought my first cherry profile keyset a few weeks ago. The first thing I did was put the spacebar on backwards. I don't even know what it feels like to have set up the right way. You can hate me if you want, but it doesn't make a difference to me. Keysus loves me just the way I am.

well you started your road to failure by buying cherry. but im glad you see that your way is the wrong way since you mention not setting it up the "right way".

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Offline EdgE_0736

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #105 on: Fri, 14 January 2022, 18:24:21 »
I tried this on my SteelSeries Apex Pro TKL and the spacebar would not press down all the way. Can someone please tell me why this didn't work???

Offline butre

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #106 on: Fri, 14 January 2022, 19:25:06 »
I have a few boards with slightly warped spacebars and slightly off stabs where flipping it works better, but I generally prefer SA profile where it doesn't matter what orientation the spacebar is in

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #107 on: Wed, 19 January 2022, 21:00:27 »
Discussions here are for entertainment. Do whatever you want; it just matters to you, as most details like the layout, keycap materials, case materials, switches. I learned a lot after I joined GH, and a few months later, everything began to be repetitive. I also learned a lot when I built my custom-made hand-wired board. After that, every discussion is just for fun.

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #108 on: Tue, 25 January 2022, 18:52:16 »
I've become a hypocrite and started flipping due to my desk being higher than my arms rest, thus making it slightly easier to tap that space rather than have my thumb climb a mountain each time.

Offline dokternik

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Re: Controversy about space bar flipping
« Reply #109 on: Thu, 24 February 2022, 17:06:11 »
Flipping is far more comfortable imho, especially for gaming.

IF I am even using cherry...which is rare.

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