When is the approximate ETA for these if we join the buy?
Please note: This is a pre-order/group buy. Orders will close on September 30, 2015 11:59:59pm PST. Expected manufacturing & shipping time to Zeal PC: 1 business week.
Shipping from Zeal PC to customers will be based on a first-to-order basis. Projected packing time is 1-2 weeks. Shipping will be via DHL Express (1-3 business days worldwide*) or Canada Post Small Packet Air (no tracking, items under 250g) to addresses outside of USA. Canadian orders will be shipped via Canada Post Expedited Parcel/Xpresspost.[/]
Are there limited quantities to any of these offerings? I'll have to save up a bit so I'll be ordering mid september.
Totally want to join this buy. Is there a date that this ends? Just got slammed with a hospital bill that I need to pay before I can spend more on my keyboard hobby, but can't miss out on grabbing some of these.
Are there limited quantities to any of these offerings? I'll have to save up a bit so I'll be ordering mid september.
No. There is no limit on order quantity.Totally want to join this buy. Is there a date that this ends? Just got slammed with a hospital bill that I need to pay before I can spend more on my keyboard hobby, but can't miss out on grabbing some of these.
GB ends on Sept 30th.
RIP wallet. Just placed my order.Go on, tell us the damage..
Sorry to clutter the thread with noob questions, but:
Thinking about getting these for my first full custom, and am intrigued by the option of RGB leds. But the switch accepting the RGB leds doesn't mean they'd work with whatever PCB/controller/etc, right? Might just order these anyway, but am curious whether the RGB led thing is going to matter outside of putting these on a board that already supports them. Am I way off base?
Just to add to this, the switches will still work fine with single color LEDs. If your PCB has bottom-mount RGB LEDs you'll probably get some decent shine through the switch, depending on the case design and how the LEDs are mounted.Sorry to clutter the thread with noob questions, but:
Thinking about getting these for my first full custom, and am intrigued by the option of RGB leds. But the switch accepting the RGB leds doesn't mean they'd work with whatever PCB/controller/etc, right? Might just order these anyway, but am curious whether the RGB led thing is going to matter outside of putting these on a board that already supports them. Am I way off base?
Currently there aren't any custom PCBs that allow for RGB LED control, AFAIK. Zeal has said he was working on them, but I don't think there was a time frame, so it could be a ways off.
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :D
I'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
SO they're just slightly different? Or does this mean i need to buy all three weights? haha
You used sprit springs as your weight comparison though right? Your springs will basically match sprits equivalent springs.Could you make a closeup disassemble picture of both linear/tactile switches? I would like to see the stems. Thanks!Will PM for local pickup info. Stem pics will come soon.
Annnd ... could we vancouverites pick it up to save shipping money to buy more switch? :DI'm going to spend the whole month wondering if 67g was the right call, or if I should have gone with 65g instead.
reading the reviews it sounded like 65g was the sweet spot in comparison to Ergo Clears @ 62g, due to the smoothness of Gateron.
I think I have a broken memory, because I thought I read these springs were sourced from Sprit, but I can't find that anywhere. Are these Gateron springs or are they from another source? I already have 65g gold plated Sprit springs so I went with 62g and 67g and could switch (hue hue) if necessary.
I have found 65g to be the sweet spot for me.
Last I knew, Zeal sourced his springs from Sprit and then got springs manufactured to match Sprits springs. I could be wrong, but that is what I heard...
I used to resell sprit springs. The current gold plated springs found in Zealios are tweaked to my spec, modified and/or new, such as the 67g weight. None of them have the same coil ratio/length as sprit's.
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
62g or 65g. 62g would be closer to browns, and 65g closer to Clears in tactile feel.
I am going to need to wait till the last moment to join in on this. My wallet is giving me the silent treatment. (Actually my finances are in good shape I just need to practice some discipline and resist.)That's honorable. I'm doing the same, though I may wait anyway and do the Mira bundle.
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
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Be@rbrick helping me out in the lab. A proper Zealio review from me coming soon. Preview: I love the stock 65g Zealio and will be ordering those.
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Quoted from my Vendor forum:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
Are you only offering overnight shipping? For my area (VA, U.S.), the shipping options are overnight 10am, overnight noon, or overnight end of day and that's it.... am I just not hyped and serious enough for this buy??
Edit: will these be made available separately/specifically with the Mira GB, for those that have a slot?
Quoted from my Vendor forum:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
I just went back and read that on the zealpc does overnight DHL in general. I've never ordered from zeal, so this is a first for me. Mea culpa.
Would it be more or less prudent to buy now and have it ship separately, or have it shipped to DrHubble along with gold stabs/etc, especially for those who want full assembly (which isn't me, but I'm sure it's going to come up)...
Would a US proxy be cheaper? Not sure how DHL Express scales, but packages under 13 oz can be sent via First Class for like $3. Priority Mail under 1lb will be $6 or less. I'm guessing the majority of buyers will be from the US, so it could be worth looking into.
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;) Plus, I wouldn't want to have another person have to sort through and pack all the USA switches. I also have my own QC in place, but wouldn't be able to watch over the proxy's. If a product is shipping out with my Vendor name on it, I'd like to be able to control it to the best I can. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view.
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;) Plus, I wouldn't want to have another person have to sort through and pack all the USA switches. I also have my own QC in place, but wouldn't be able to watch over the proxy's. If a product is shipping out with my Vendor name on it, I'd like to be able to control it to the best I can. Hopefully you can understand from my point of view.
Completely understand, and I don't fault you at all for that decision. I guess this is a little different from most GBs, being a brand new product as well as a vendor product.
Any word on what these switches will cost after the GB is over and you stock them in your store?
Call it silly if you will, but as this is the first community developed switch, I'd like to make each package a bit more personal ;)
I am going to need to wait till the last moment to join in on this. My wallet is giving me the silent treatment. (Actually my finances are in good shape I just need to practice some discipline and resist.)That's honorable. I'm doing the same, though I may wait anyway and do the Mira bundle.
This is really tempting, but 0,75$ per switch is rough.Well, considering MX Clears + Clear tops + customs springs already cost more than the switch before shipping, I'd say the pricing is quite reasonable when you consider the added bonuses. :)
Well I doubt this will be the last round, so I will probably buy some in the future :thumb:
Easier to take off keycaps and smoother than mx clear? That's great! I may order 110?Correct. No tight stem like MX Clears, and smoother too. Yes, you can order 110! If you prefer safe & tracked shipping to China, I'd suggest DHL shipping option.
Damn... I cant decide guys... I'm a fan of linear switches but the hype for those 62g purple.... :-X
Is there room for a 2x3x4 LED inside these switches? There is in a Cherry switch but that wouldn't let the glow out :))
Is there room for a 2x3x4 LED inside these switches? There is in a Cherry switch but that wouldn't let the glow out :))
Yep. The RGB LED gifs in OP were 2x3x4mm. :)
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$oh **** I choked on my coffee laughing haha perfect gif,....I know I just need to suck it up.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If I liked MX Browns and MX Clears, but sometimes found clears a little too heavy, and browns a little too light, which of these if any would be in between these two?
62g or 65g. 62g would be closer to browns, and 65g closer to Clears in tactile feel.
Sometimes, though, a smoother switch feels "lighter" so that's something to consider. I would probably lean towards the 65g.
I just ordered 100. I was hoping to build a JD45 board, but I don't know if I can wait that long!
What to do... what to do....? :-\
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
Zealios will be available for Mira, though I can't 100% guarantee that you'll be able to select your desired amount of switches (so it might just be a static drop down menu with 90/100 switches). There's some limitations in the back-end that may prevent me from being able to do that neatly.
If we got over-excited and already ordered a bunch of switches with the intention of putting them in the Mira, will you perhaps have the option to combine shipping with the Mira order once it goes live on your site?
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Bit strapped on cash atm, will there be future buys of this or only via your future stock? and if the later how much of a price increase can i expect?
I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
See these are the new alpha switches everyone. Great work Zeal I'm glad you're doing something really special for the community. :thumb:I have seen Gateron clear tops but not the bottom. This is a great deal honestly.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
It's only $10 shipped for me. **** the tracking.
Also, 75c per switch isn't that much. Bearing in mind the amount of customization that is involved. Custom weights, custom stem colour, clear housing, gold springs.
So you would have to buy a set of gaterons, a set of clears, a set of gold plated springs, and shipping for all three of those things, to get one of these switches. Without the kick-ass purple stems.
It's a good deal.
Gateron Clear bottoms were a new mould I purchased and had made. They'll exclusively be used for the "Zealio" line of switches.
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
Ok... I knew mx browns were bad, I was just scared there was something wrong with the Zealios! Gateron always takes the cake for smoothness in my book.So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
No. Look at the roughness of the legs pm the MX Brown :x
Never liked browns. Way too light for me. Now I have more reasons to hate them.Ok... I knew mx browns were bad, I was just scared there was something wrong with the Zealios! Gateron always takes the cake for smoothness in my book.So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary.What's scary? The difference in the size of the tactile indent?
No. Look at the roughness of the legs pm the MX Brown :x
i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
hopefully the actual parcel isnt's that expensive so that i can get some money back.
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
PM sent for changing the shipping address.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$Shipping to Brazil was $75, so my order will go to a shipping forwarder in the US, as it is the cheaper option.Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
Thanks for bringing this to my attention. I seem to have accidentally obtained a remote area address quote while I was setting up the shipping prices. It's now $35 for under 900g.
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Im a big clears fan, I have them almost exclusively on all my boards. How will these stack against the MX clears? The 65g spring and the clicky stem seem to be what I want, but im not sure.
Sorry for the dumb question filling up the post.
Im a big clears fan, I have them almost exclusively on all my boards. How will these stack against the MX clears? The 65g spring and the clicky stem seem to be what I want, but im not sure.
Sorry for the dumb question filling up the post.
The 65g purple Zealio is what I'd say should have been the "proper" ergo clear. If you like a slightly heavier press and a crisper bump, then 67g purple Zealio is the way to go. As for comparison against stock clears, 67g would technically be closest, but wouldn't have as heavy of a bottom out past the bump. The whole travel will also be infinitely smoother than any stock MX Clear :) There are a few reviews you can read on the OP.
I'm not sure which clicky stem you're referring to. Zealios are only offered in Linear & Tactile at the moment.
After reading the reviews, I decided to order the 65g purples. My only MX experience is reds and right now I'm using 45g Topre full time.
Which, if any, of these switches, closely resemble Topre feeling? Did I order the right one?
Awesome. Thanks!i've already made my order so not sure how much that will help for now.When the thread is full of americans complaining about shipping, and tracked shipping to EU is 30$and i'm here with my $45 shipping. lol. :))Show Image(http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/tmhnks.gif)
If you can PM me your postal code, city & country, I would be able to get a more accurate DHL quote. I've covered NA & EU shipping quotes, but only a few Asian countries.
hopefully the actual parcel isnt's that expensive so that i can get some money back.
Adjusted shipping price. :)
Ordered 100 of these. I don't know how to solder but I will learn just so I can use these awesome switches.
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
I would say yes. :)
People should consider the prices of having to source Cherry switches ($49/100 in USA, €65/100 in EU) + springs ($10-12?) + lube ($10-15) + shipping for all 3 items before comparing it to the $0.75/switch price. And that's before the clear tops & exclusive clear bottom + tight stem issue on Clears.
Oh wow. I've been thinking about ergo clears anyway, so this is horribly tempting, despite the price tag.
So, if I love Topre as well as light Cherry switches I should aim for 65g tactile?
I would say yes. :)
People should consider the prices of having to source Cherry switches ($49/100 in USA, €65/100 in EU) + springs ($10-12?) + lube ($10-15) + shipping for all 3 items before comparing it to the $0.75/switch price. And that's before the clear tops & exclusive clear bottom + tight stem issue on Clears.
So am I correct in assuming everyone thinks these things are "smooth" enough without lube? I plan on getting the 65G variant. Currently I use ErgoClears modded by GON and wan't to get something as close to those as possible.
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
These sound absolutely amazing! Finally, the perfect MX switch for me!
I just have to decide how many hundreds to buy and which spring weight to choose...
I want the most tactility, but I love light switches... I have a bunch of 62g springs to swap in if I need to, so do I order 65g or 67g? My gut says 65g will suit me most in terms of spring strength, but I want to feel the 67g "crispness" and "Topre-ness".... I think I'll have to get 10 in 67g and the rest in 65g. Or half and half... I want the maximum "pop", which was with 62g springs on normal ErgoClears... can't decide! :-\
Solution: buy both! :))
65g will give you that nice bump you'd expect in ergo clears, but 67g is different enough that it reminded livingspeedbump and me of 45g Topre.
Shoot, now I'm thinking I should've picked the 67g option if it reminds you of Topre; would it be a horrible pain in the ass to change my order to 67g instead of the default 62g? I'm a stupidhead and just kinda ordered in a big hurry when I saw the group buy was live :rolleyes:
These should be stocked somewhat regularly after the groupbuy, correct?
Thinking of picking up 70 to fill a Smart68 and maybe a few more in the future for a TKL.
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Nice shots. I'd be very interested in a similar comparison with the linear switches, as I know how scratchy a brand new linear cherry switch can be.
So....I just took this picture. Pretty scary. Look at how rough the Cherry MX Brown stem is...
Enlarge and view full size at your own risk.
Purple Zealio (factory lubed) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/3rfzJ4s.jpg)
Purple Zealio (purposely wiped off factory lube) vs new Cherry Brown (no factory lube)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Yup.
Nice shots. I'd be very interested in a similar comparison with the linear switches, as I know how scratchy a brand new linear cherry switch can be.
Took a picture of Gateron's Black stem vs Cherry MX Black stem as it shows texture more easily (also makes it easier to focus properly).
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on RightShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fbPI6bD.jpg)
Not sure why the above picture looks so dark. The bbcode resize is messing up the focus. Click on this image to view full size: http://i.imgur.com/3rfzJ4s.jpg
Gateron Black on left, Cherry MX Black on RightShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/fbPI6bD.jpg)
I tried taking a pic of my decapitated Cherry MX Clear stem, but I couldn't get the flash to cooperate with the translucency of the stem. :/ You can still see there's texture and extra bumps in the reflection though. Still no comparison to Purple Zealios.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9bfrFwN.jpg)
silly question, how and what is needed if i want to install white leds on these switches?
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
And perfection comes at a price...RIP wallet on making the 2 moulds.
More people need to join this GB/Pre-order to help support the project. :(
also I think alot of people are waiting on the Mira and other customs zeal I'm waiting as I want to order all of mine at once due to shipping cost! From the sounds of it the quality is there that will eventually equate to the sales your looking for :thumb:That Kalih shot is interesting. It suggests that the rough surface finish isn't necessarily a function of mold age, but rather mold quality.
The "pole" on the Kailh stem is definitely interesting. It looks like they rushed the very bottom part / didn't bother to polish the very bottom of the mould. Shame as that section also factors into smoothness.
After 8 years as a machinist working with molds and other tooling, I can say I never saw parts come out as perfect as those Gaterons. They're almost flawless where it counts.
And perfection comes at a price...RIP wallet on making the 2 moulds.
More people need to join this GB/Pre-order to help support the project. :(
Is there any advantage to waiting and ordering Zealios with the Mira? Just combined shipping?
I'd almost prefer to get them now so I'm not adding another level of complexity (and cost) to my Mira order. Plus I can get as many as I want now.
Is there any advantage to waiting and ordering Zealios with the Mira? Just combined shipping?
I'd almost prefer to get them now so I'm not adding another level of complexity (and cost) to my Mira order. Plus I can get as many as I want now.
Mostly just combined shipping. The switches may arrive before Mira, so if you wanted to lube them and such, I'd get them first.
As for the Mira listing + Zealios, it may be limited to a static 90 switch (or multiples of 90) order due to some back-end limitations of setting up a multi-drop down listing.
So as I understand it is this going to be one giant order from Gateron to meet their MOQ, then what's sold is sold? In other words, will you be able to utilize your custom mold after this initial group buy?Yes, I'll still be using the mould. Hopefully after the initial GB, there'll be more demand later on, so depending on demand, I may or may not re-run a GB. I'll have to decide if I want to just buy out MOQ in future runs.
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
It would help with numbers probably... but if they handle and ship his switches like their previous few drops it could also be a disaster to his reputation. Although I'm not really sure how you can screw up shipping a bag of switches I'm sure they'd find a way.
I'm in. Would throwing this on Massdrop help if any? Thx zeal for everything.
It would help with numbers probably... but if they handle and ship his switches like their previous few drops it could also be a disaster to his reputation. Although I'm not really sure how you can screw up shipping a bag of switches I'm sure they'd find a way.
I think it's possible to ship directly from a vendor rather than use massdrop's awful fulfillment center.
Is there a time line for when we can expect to see a complementing RGB 4pin PCB?
MOQ isn't an issue for me. I can always buy it out, but I'd rather not atm.
MOQ isn't an issue for me. I can always buy it out, but I'd rather not atm.
This is a keyboard community, and you are about to release THE new switch. Something that will go down in history. I wouldn't worry too much about these guys not selling!
I for one just wait for a chance to get them shipped cheap(er). - Anyone in germany want to share shipping with me?
Also does the number of different switches ordered increase the chance to win a binge? Say I order a bunch of clears and a bunch of purples - is the chance the same as if I'd order the purples only?
Don't be discouraged by the numbers just yet.
My opinion: 62g Cherry clears lubed are absolutely the best for typing, 65g is way too heavy, 60 is too light for sure. For gaming however I like 55g best. 55g's need to be lubed for the switch to work though. If I'm not mistaken the 55g is the lowest you can go with Cherry because even though you lube because the spring simply won't be strong enough to throw it back. I see that with these you don't need to worry about lubing the 62g's because it's so smooth. Makes me wonder how it is with 60g, 55g, 50g & 45g. Maybe one can go with these weights with these switches? Probably it will be too light but some small % of people maybe would like that. I wonder what g weight with Zealios will match the 55g cherry the most. I will have to experiment.
All in all the 65g's seem to be the safest option for me, being a 62g cherry lover and liking lighter rather than heavy switches (blues & blacks are too heavy for me for example). I will order 10's of 65g and 67g also to check them out. My only fear however is that I will like the 62g or 67g better and I wouldn't be able to spring swap them all because these are custom springs :confused: (I have 62g's from sprit but according to zeal these springs are not like stock sprit springs).
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
RGB switch tops fit even more snug than the standard Gateron tops. :) So no, no stickers required.
Just ordered 200 sexy purple swes, this will be on my Jane and Orion v2 for sure. :thumb:
Just a question, sorry if it has been asked. I read somewhere that the gateron switches are close enough so we don't need the stickers, what about the Zealio swithes? Do I need the stickers for the Zealio?
RGB switch tops fit even more snug than the standard Gateron tops. :) So no, no stickers required.
I remember you saying somewhere that stickers might even be bad for these zealios. Is that true?
I'm not a Massdrop guy. As this is a community developed product, there is no way in hell it'll end up under Massdrop's greasy fingers to profit off of. Massdrop, if you're reading this, sorry but I made it very clear with Gateron that you will not be "dropping" these Zealio switches ever.
Dang just noticed you were in Canada. :( $15 shipping. I only want 1 for my keychain. love that purple. These are sick man!
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Buy more switches to offset shipping :P
Damn I just realized how much shipping is. That's a bummer. $15-23 to the USA. Definitely got spoiled on USPS prices.
Buy more switches to offset shipping :P
I'm trying to get *out* of MX-mount, not stock up on more :P. After these I don't anticipate buying anything else MX.
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These look really nice Binge. :thumb:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SzL2eyn.jpg)
Sorry if this was answered in the other thread, but do you own the design/molds for your switches or does Gateron? Just curious if these end up being really popular would Gateron be abled to sell them to manufacturers or consumers without going through you?
Regardless I plan on getting a set sometime next week
To ease your mind, in the very unlikely event that a parcel goes missing when shipped via DHL Express, I will replace your order (including shipping), free of charge and you can quote me on that.
Is it weird that I actually had a dream about these switches last night? Been thinking too much about Mech's lately!I don't think so 64 :)) I dream about keyboards and key caps on the reg. 😍
Is it weird that I actually had a dream about these switches last night? Been thinking too much about Mech's lately!I don't think so 64 :)) I dream about keyboards and key caps on the reg. 😍
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OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
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OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
Where can one find these requirements?Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
Where can one find these requirements?Everyone who ordered per requirements gets one raffle ticket. Damn straight.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SbZznQW.jpg)
OH MY GOD! I only just now realized that character on the cap has a headset on! THAT IS AWESOME!
slo-fi is amazingpants,Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/cf1gEQv.jpg)
Well I have one order, so one raffle ticket, let's see :)
OP :)Oh I thought there were even more specific requirements haha. Guess you just gotta be a "lucky purchaser" then?Show Image(http://puu.sh/jOkOr/808437ac2f.png)
I'll be building my first custom pretty soon, and I'm looking at switches. This board will only be used at home where the majority of the use it will see is gaming. I currently use MX Browns and Logitech's switch, the Romer G (which I actually really like). I'm concerned that even though these feel smooth, they would be too heavy. I'm glad I have a month to make up my mind, but these are definitely on my radar screen. Just wish there was a way to test them.
I hope my switch tester gets here soon I can make a more informed decision about zealios. I think I'd like stock clears but I've never used any tactile switches.
I think I prefer heavier springs in general so should look at 67g. The different measurements confuse me. I think I prefer whites to blues. What's the closest match here?
So is this GB closing out now? What are the timelines for getting these suckers?If I'm not mistaken, you've still got a while. It's not closing till end of September.
we'll just dump this here... nnnnnngggghhhhheeehhhhThe amount I love these knows no bounds. That purple is like everything good in the world on top of a glittering base. I need it!
*sploosh*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KCVz7tD.jpg)
So is this GB closing out now? What are the timelines for getting these suckers?If I'm not mistaken, you've still got a while. It's not closing till end of September.
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we'll just dump this here... nnnnnngggghhhhheeehhhh
*sploosh*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/KCVz7tD.jpg)
Zeal, i see that you actually have a youtube channel! care to tease us with a vid of you typing on zealios?
Definitely going to be picking some up for the Smart 68. Just can't decide between purple 65 or 67.
Please note: This is a pre-order/group buy. Orders will close on September 30, 2015 11:59:59pm PST. Expected manufacturing & shipping time to Zeal PC: 1 business week.
Shipping from Zeal PC to customers will be based on a first-to-order basis. Projected packing time is 1-2 weeks. Shipping will be via DHL Express (1-3 business days worldwide*) or Canada Post Small Packet Air (no tracking, items under 250g) to addresses outside of USA. Canadian orders will be shipped via Canada Post Expedited Parcel/Xpresspost.
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
If I wanna lube stem a 104 linear board, how many "GH V3 Lube" do I need? Thanks.
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
I think JD just meant something along the lines of:
"If you're going to put in the effort in desoldering switches, you might as well swap out the old plate for a custom, switch top removable top plate".
This is my first group buy on here but can't wait to put them in my filco. :D
You need one of these, then. :)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/5AVDj5W.png)
Shouldn't the stock plate work? Also I am going to do it to my tkl.
I think JD just meant something along the lines of:
"If you're going to put in the effort in desoldering switches, you might as well swap out the old plate for a custom, switch top removable top plate".
Yes, exactly. thank you for clarifying. :)
I remember reading that the expected production time will be around 3 weeks and then they're expected to ship within a week after that, is that correct? Would be supercool if you could put that in the OP :)Awesome, that's actually pretty fast.
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.You got me. I ordered. Picked up a cable too. :thumb:
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
No sense in dragging it on for a month.
Stopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)
Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Does Saturday, Sept 12th sound good for you?Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
What's the exact date? As long as it's after friday then I'll be good. You know pay day and all
Stopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Sounds like you "fixed the glitch" Zeal! :))
Does Saturday, Sept 12th sound good for you?Orders have slowed down dramatically. No sense in dragging it on for a month. I think I'll keep the Bingecap raffle up til sometime next week. If you want a shot at the raffle, then you should stop procrastinating! :P After next week, the orders will "soft-close", meaning the raffle is gone but orders will still be accepted and at the same GB price.
I'll be placing my order with Gateron shortly thereafter so we can get the ball rolling and get Zealio switches out to people. Order form will still be up at the same price til Sept 30 (and for the Mira people).
What's the exact date? As long as it's after friday then I'll be good. You know pay day and allStopped my procrastination as ordered sir ;)Curse you and your ominous raffle threats! I just impulse bought more than I probably would've if I waited until the 30th.
Sounds like you "fixed the glitch" Zeal! :))
:))
So Zeal when does this Group Buy of yours officially end?
Is it on the 12th or the 30th of September 2015?
Just need to know because I am attracted to buying some switches off you here, just don't know when you'll close it all down.
IIRC the GB will end as planned on the 30th, but after an uncertain date (the 12th isn't fixed yet I guess) people who order will not get the chance to be included in the Binge raffle.
I planned to wait too, but will now order ASAP.
Zeal you should also post this update on reddit since you advertised there as well. I'd do it myself except I saw you were the OP in the post there.
Just wanted to complete my order and saw the checkbox for the raffle is gone. Does one automatically get a ticket now?
Just wanted to complete my order and saw the checkbox for the raffle is gone. Does one automatically get a ticket now?
I'm definitely in on these, only complaint is how loaded the website is with JS. Noscript was telling me off for it
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Aftermarket PCBs don't exist yet. They are being developed, however. Special 4 pin RGB LEDs will be stocked by me shortly after I or someone else releases an aftermarket in-switch 4pin RGB PCB.
Where can I get a PCB that supports RGB LEDs and some nice RGB LEDs to fit this switch?
Aftermarket PCBs don't exist yet. They are being developed, however. Special 4 pin RGB LEDs will be stocked by me shortly after I or someone else releases an aftermarket in-switch 4pin RGB PCB.
Zeal, if you could share a bit - at least from you are there any 60% PCBs coming and if so what are the chances they will fit various existing Poker cases (cable connector cutouts, screw positions, etc.)?
Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
So that means you'll be buying a bunch extra and reselling them at slightly higher prices?Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Nowhere near MOQ :))
So that means you'll be buying a bunch extra and reselling them at slightly higher prices?Zeal, out of sheer curiosity, would you mind giving a ballpark figure of how many switches were ordered?
Nowhere near MOQ :))
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
Hey Zeal,
I'd like to add a cable and lube to my order. How should I do this? Should I cancel my order and reorder everything, or make a new order for only cable and lube and pm you the orders to merge?
Asking it here instead of PM so others know too how you prefer a change in an order.
So if the raffle soft closes on Saturday, will the 10 winners be picked around then, or still somewhere near Zealio delivery date?
Oooh interesting. It's so gonna feel like this opening Zealios, then:So if the raffle soft closes on Saturday, will the 10 winners be picked around then, or still somewhere near Zealio delivery date?
It'll be a silent win -- winners will not be announced. The Bingecaps will be included in 10 lucky winners' orders placed before Saturday Sept 12 at 11:59pm PST that ticked the checkbox.
This keyboard i'm making is going to cost a lot more than i intended lol
Placed an order of 100if you had intended on modding the caps with springs and clear switch tops there's a chance you might be saving money or at the very least a **** load of time haha congrats and hope you post pics of your board when finished :thumb:
holy mother of shipping costs. This keyboard i'm making is going to cost a lot more than i intended lol
I don't think I'm building a MX board now :(
So you're now too GOOD to ever dirty your hands on CherryMX keyboard, sheesh, now we have these people thinking other switches like ALPs, Thorpies and/or BS being better than our humble Cherry's.
Some people don't know what they've got until they throw it away, good luck loving your NEW type of switch, what ever that may be ^-^ .
:cool:
It's not like that at all. I just have this urge to buy things I don't need sometimes and at the time I bought these switches, I don't even plan on building any custom board. Was looking at the GONs but GON himself took almost a month to reply me so I trashed that idea.
I yanked one of my Poker 2 switch, and it's only a Red, and I can't even put it back. How am I suppose to build a whole board from scratch? With that in mind, I might as well cancel the Zealios so it can go to someone else who's going to appreciate it more.
It's not like that at all. I just have this urge to buy things I don't need sometimes and at the time I bought these switches, I don't even plan on building any custom board. Was looking at the GONs but GON himself took almost a month to reply me so I trashed that idea.
I yanked one of my Poker 2 switch, and it's only a Red, and I can't even put it back. How am I suppose to build a whole board from scratch? With that in mind, I might as well cancel the Zealios so it can go to someone else who's going to appreciate it more.
Just placed my order! Excited to find something to build now.Hey, I know you from reddit. Happy first post!
I'm pretty sure this was asked somewhere else in this thread, but I can't find it. How many tactile switches is a Zeal lube kit good for?
Hmmm... When I check out with Paypal it doesn't add the shipping. Will there be a separate invoice for the shipping or how should this work?
Hmmm... When I check out with Paypal it doesn't add the shipping. Will there be a separate invoice for the shipping or how should this work?
Check out with the non-PayPal option, it will lead you to where you can create an account and then there will be another PayPal option that will add shipping. I had the same problem :/
If you actually checkout with the PayPal button, it'll ask you to sign in so it can autofill your shipping information. After you press confirm / pay on PayPal, you'll be redirected back to my site with the shipping info prefilled and you'll see shipping added to the subtotal. Either method will have shipping at the end before you confirm payment.
If you actually checkout with the PayPal button, it'll ask you to sign in so it can autofill your shipping information. After you press confirm / pay on PayPal, you'll be redirected back to my site with the shipping info prefilled and you'll see shipping added to the subtotal. Either method will have shipping at the end before you confirm payment.
What if we already paid w/ Paypal?
Anyone have experience with putting LEDs like theseShow Image(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/135-thickbox_default/dip-leds-for-cherry-mx-switches.jpg)(http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/electric-parts/83-dip-leds-for-cherry-mx-switches.html) actually inside the housing? I tried it, and they do fit, slightly pushing out the lock tab, but not interfering with the plunger. The lock tab isn't an issue; it makes the switches fit better in the GON acrylic plate ::shrug:: but I don't want to find out later that I have heat issues and need to strip everything out.
I really want to make these switches pop - an alternative would be to solder SMTs onto the board on the through-holes, but there's still interference and heat to worry about, unless I cut reliefs in the bottom of the switch, a job I don't relish doing 110 times.
ordered 70 67g purples...lezzz gooo. Forgot to check the box for the binge raffle before i paid but not a big deal I guess.
And 10x 67g so I can see how they feel. I can always order more springs if I want to change them :D
Hey Zeal,
I'd like to add a cable and lube to my order. How should I do this? Should I cancel my order and reorder everything, or make a new order for only cable and lube and pm you the orders to merge?
Asking it here instead of PM so others know too how you prefer a change in an order.
I can't modify orders on my end once it has been paid. The only way for me to properly keep track of inventory & order count is to cancel your current order & issue a full refund. Please PM me your order # and first name if you'd like to make modifications to your order.
So, I read a couple more reviews comparing the weights and I'm leaning more towards 67g now, except that I fear they might be too heavy. Especially that Topre (45 or 55g?) comparison with resistance on top, then not much kind of got me.
The new stock Clear I have for testing is far too strong towards the bottom for my taste, while an unlubed 62g Clear feels nice since it retains the bump without the strong cushion. But it's a bit gritty and not snappy at all somehow. So.. meh. I don't know.
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
Time to order 65g then! I already have existing order for 62g, please add them together :)
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
It feels like a slightly bumpier brown that's a tiny bit heavier with a super smooth travel.
65g Zealios are supposed to mimic the "62g ergo clear" feel, without the grittiness and a smoother one fluid motion travel.
What is the 62g Zealios supposed to mimic?
It feels like a slightly bumpier brown that's a tiny bit heavier with a super smooth travel.
Man, I am looking forward to my 62g's!
And 10x 67g so I can see how they feel. I can always order more springs if I want to change them :D
Oobly old stick, I though you were are hard individual wanting some extra pressure to be applied upon your digits?
The 67s should be sublime with any small keyboard because Korean spring strength isn't as strong as the original Cherry's.
Hey Zeal, I placed my order for switches, but I think I might want to add some more, as I have a new project coming in about a week. Is it possible to add to my order without paying shipping twice? Marked it in the comments section of the first order
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
When will we know who won the bingecaps?
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
anyway you can still get me into the raffle after I submitted my order and forgot to check the raffle box?
Zealio themed bingecaps received. Pictures incoming.
anyway you can still get me into the raffle after I submitted my order and forgot to check the raffle box?
Zealio themed Lion Keyng :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/92YM8v1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/scGdpcw.jpg)
The other Zealio themed Bingecaps will be a mystery. Even I don't know what caps were put inside of which envelope! ;)
Hey Zeal, I'm looking to order some switches but for some reason the only options are 1-day shipping and it starts at $15, which is half the cost of my order O_o. Any way to get slower, cheaper shipping?
To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Hey Zeal, I'm looking to order some switches but for some reason the only options are 1-day shipping and it starts at $15, which is half the cost of my order O_o. Any way to get slower, cheaper shipping?
Sorry, it's the only option for USA. I explained the reasoning here:To everyone asking for a cheaper USA shipping method: There's only Canada Post Tracked Packet USA (4-10 business days), and it costs a mere $1-2 less. Canada Post doesn't have the low prices you guys have in the states. Good thing is overnight shipping is well worth it, trust me. ;)
Dang. Sorry I missed that comment. Maybe I'll just get a few less. We shall see! :D
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
Zealio themed Lion Keyng :3Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/92YM8v1.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/scGdpcw.jpg)
The other Zealio themed Bingecaps will be a mystery. Even I don't know what caps were put inside of which envelope! ;)
Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Finally placed an order 8) Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Sorry, I don't accept bribes. :p
I, however do accept bribes. Now accepting bids for all the Zealios I currently have (guaranteed to be greater than or equal to zero)!Finally placed an order :cool: Can't wait for my Zealio-themed-bingecap!Do you mean if you win one ? I was under the idea that there was 10 caps to be randomly decided to go to 10 of the purchasers who placed there order before this Saturday the 12th
I believe this involves bribes.
Sorry, I don't accept bribes.
Just make sure you're not giving it away to any old geezers because we don't care one bit about such things plus we can't even see it without our bifocals.
I just want to ask whats the difference between zealios 67g and topre, I dont know if I want to join this gb or just saving for another topre. :)
MX style switches will never be able to replicate the full Topre experience. I can only say that 67g Zealios has reminded a couple testers of it.
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
How do the 62g springs compare to the ones from originative or GON?
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
Nothing wrong with having an abnormal preference, the world would be a very boring place if everyone liked the same things :)
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
You're not alone. I like light switches also, but want as much tactility as possible. I'm going to be trying all kinds of springs in these, including stock Brown springs.
I feel like I'm the only one who thinks siding on the lighter side of ergo clears is a good thing. :(
You're not alone. I like light switches also, but want as much tactility as possible. I'm going to be trying all kinds of springs in these, including stock Brown springs.
Thank you for giving me company :thumb:
I'm curious on how these would feel with 60g or 55g gold springs.
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Unfortunately I've been pretty much ****ed over in my plan to sell my laptop by a guy on reddit, so I don't think I'll be able to get in on this in time. Really disappointed, I hope I can at least get in before the buy ends.Have you tried hardware swap
Yeah, I had posted it there originally, just got held out all week by this really high rep guy saying he was going to buy, then he never did. Just reposted today. Fingers crossed.Unfortunately I've been pretty much ****ed over in my plan to sell my laptop by a guy on reddit, so I don't think I'll be able to get in on this in time. Really disappointed, I hope I can at least get in before the buy ends.Have you tried hardware swap
Too bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Shot through the heart :PToo bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Ironic because I almost PM'd you about that Ergo Pro, but decided to use that money for Zealios instead.
Shot through the heart :PToo bad I didn't get more stuff sold so I could buy some of these.
Ironic because I almost PM'd you about that Ergo Pro, but decided to use that money for Zealios instead.
Since the orders are soft-closing this week, is there any ETA on switches? Just curious :)Goal is to have switches on hand before end of September.
1 last question about the springs, does each variety use the same springs for each weight? So does the 65g purple tact use the same spring as the 65g clean linear?
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
Soft close was just when raffle closed. I've already placed my order with Gateron, but will still collect orders til the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...haha
soft-closing this week? Isn't it the end of September? Anyway just ordered :) I didn't use localpickup, cos you must be busy at the time. Thanks Zeal.
Soft close was just when raffle closed. I've already placed my order with Gateron, but will still collect orders til the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...haha
Let us all know here who is that LUCKY Devil who has received this unique Cap 8) .
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
A bit under 3 hours left til Bingecap raffle closes!
Awesome! Is there any way that I could edit my order to include one 62 and 65g for adding to my switch tester/ testing for future builds? :)
I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
Can't disclose that as it'll be a silent win til the winners open their Zealio packages. ;)
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
Are they sprit springs or the zealios springs? If they're the zealios ones then I'll just add some to my order :thumb:I don't know why but this is so much harder a decision than most, probably because of the aussie dollar but would it be a possibility to buy different weighted springs later?
I don't see why not: http://zealpc.net/collections/accessories/products/18k-gold-plated-springs-100pcs
It's unlikely that I'll have the 62g/65g/67g springs listed on my site after the switches are made. The remaining springs in the above listing are the 100-135g sprit springs.
Do I understand this soft close correctly that now you will order switches according to what people have ordered before the 12th and will consequently send them out when you get them from Gateron?
Do I understand this soft close correctly that now you will order switches according to what people have ordered before the 12th and will consequently send them out when you get them from Gateron?
I've placed a large order, including those that the GB participants have ordered. When I receive the packages, I'll be fulfilling the orders so I don't end up with a huge amount to fulfill at the end of the month.
And...as for your delivery address...I'll just walk over next door (mall wise). Pretty awkward moment...hahaWhat? What? I don't expect we're this close :D
I've placed a large order, including those that the GB participants have ordered. When I receive the packages, I'll be fulfilling the orders so I don't end up with a huge amount to fulfill at the end of the month.
I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.
I'm sorry fi someone already asked this, but will these switches work with normal LED holes as well?Yes
Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
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and here's a spec sheet for the LED
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It doesn't come with any LEDs, that sheet is just for 4 pin RGB LEDs that this switch is designed to work with.Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
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and here's a spec sheet for the LED
*snip*
Ah, alright, thanks!It doesn't come with any LEDs, that sheet is just for 4 pin RGB LEDs that this switch is designed to work with.Oh, it comes with the LED already built in? Or is that the spec sheet for a specific LED that is compatible with the switch?I'm having trouble finding the picture that is referenced with an LED installed... Could someone point it out to me? I'd like to see how the pins of an RGB LED exit the switch.I don't have a picture of the LED in the switch, but it utilizes the same holes that the LED and in-switch diodes use.
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and here's a spec sheet for the LED
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I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
Dumb question, how are 65's compared to MX clears? I find clears a little too heavy for long distance typing, but could be heavier than MX Browns.
Thanks
It was supposed to have ended this passed Saturday. So yeah it's over :(
I like MX Browns. I think I prefer the tactility and actuation force of MX Blues but I don't like the click. MX Blacks are too heavy for my taste. Which Zealios switch would the people who've tried these recommend to me? And would you recommend lubing them or not? Also, is using LEDs more trouble than it's worth for a hand-wired keyboard?
62g Purple Zealios wouldn't be too far away from the weight of MX Browns. Though 65g and 67g aren't that far away either, however they have their own unique tactile feedback. 65g and 67g Purple Zealios have been the most popular thus far. For reference, MX Blacks have a bottom out force of roughly 78g-80g.
As for lubing, that is completely up to the end user. Are you one to go for 100% every time, or will 85-90% be good enough? Knowing where to properly lube and how much lube to use is also dependent on your personal tastes so you'll just have to try it and see if it's worth your time.
Re: hand wiring, it would definitely complicate things due to the limited space available per row/column. You'll also need to attach resistors to every LED and whatnot.
Might of got it fixed so far it seems to be the clear gateron stem that makes it feel mushy, I have swapped the stem + top cover for a cherry part and that is perfect, also used the gateron top + a cherry black stem which also feels perfect so it seems it might just be stabilised gateron stems acting odd as all the other keys are perfect O>OAhh I also have the clear gateron although the springs are 68g so I didn't think it would of been that.Humm I might just switch out the backspace and space bar to a heavy spring and use a cherry switch instead for those two to see if that will fix the issue otherwise everything seems to be fine, also to note I did just check with a SP space bar and that is not mush at all :X might just be GMK not liking gateron :XPut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
i had a very similar feeling on a keyboard with gateron clears, the backspace in particular felt like it was mushy and came back up in slow motion, but wasnt caught on anything, i put it down to the weight of the springs and just havent played around with it since
i only had this issue with gateron clears, id bare in mind that gmk keys will be somewhat heavier than sp
Could it be the stem gateron use, might try swapping a gateron black into it then a cherry red stem to see if that helps if not just replace the entire switch, I'm also wondering my stab I got with the pcb (Sprit) did not have the little bend in it do you think that would make a difference? :X also sorry for all the question first time with gmk anything :X
as i say, i didnt spend much time with the issue, but ive certainly only experienced it with gateron clears, so lemme know what you find out switches things around
Also to note I have just tried a gateron black stem which gives the same mushy feeling when used otherwise cherry stems are perfect and seem to work without issue, well I guess I know what I can now do with all those Red stems I have lying around :X
pretty interesting stuff, im sure some keyboard wizard smarter than me will be able to work out the issue
i just tested a gateron clear on a few boards and replicated the issue every time, but havent had it with any other switch
MorePut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
Humm I might just switch out the backspace and space bar to a heavy spring and use a cherry switch instead for those two to see if that will fix the issue otherwise everything seems to be fine, also to note I did just check with a SP space bar and that is not mush at all :X might just be GMK not liking gateron :XMorePut my Hyperfuse on my new keyboard to use in the meantime while I wait for the replacement F6 looks nice only problem I have but unsure if this is a common thing or my problem the backspace and spacebar feel super mushy as though they are getting caught on the upstroke is this a common thing with GMK and gateron switches? :X
(http://i1081.photobucket.com/albums/j350/fire_brand15/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg) (http://s1081.photobucket.com/user/fire_brand15/media/D3B7EA4E-B902-488D-A463-78383D709C84.jpg.html)
i had a very similar feeling on a keyboard with gateron clears, the backspace in particular felt like it was mushy and came back up in slow motion, but wasnt caught on anything, i put it down to the weight of the springs and just havent played around with it since
Any chance of a tester set? One of each of the six options?
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.You're still open for orders until the 30th though, right?
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Getting so hyped zeal! Don't even have any keyboard for the switches but still exciting for when I get all the parts. :D
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.You're still open for orders until the 30th though, right?
Status Update: Gateron has told me that the expected ship date is Sept 29/30. There was a bit of delay in our schedule because they were moving to a larger factory last week. There's also mid-autumn festival coming up on Sept 26-27, so they'll most likely have Zealios produced by this week and have it ready to ship next week.
Does it ship directly to us or to you and then you send them to us?
Honestly, I don't even know why I come around this site anymore. It's like setting my wallet on fire and throwing it out the window.
Honestly, I don't even know why I come around this site anymore. It's like setting my wallet on fire and throwing it out the window.What's a wallet?
Having said that, can't wait to get them in!
Anyone in the UK thinking of buying and want to split shipping / vat / customs costs? :p
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
Question for you Zeal! I saw that it said shipping will be 1-2 weeks. I'm moving at the end of October and I was wondering what the probability of that ETA is. I would hate to have the package arrive after I've already moved! I really want to participate in the GB though! Those 65g Purples look amazing! Cheers!
It's finally here! Purple (Tactile) & Clear (Linear) Zealio switch GB IS NOW LIVE! >>Order Here! (http://zealpc.net/collections/group-buy-pre-orders)
Question for you Zeal! I saw that it said shipping will be 1-2 weeks. I'm moving at the end of October and I was wondering what the probability of that ETA is. I would hate to have the package arrive after I've already moved! I really want to participate in the GB though! Those 65g Purples look amazing! Cheers!
I'll be importing the shipment from Gateron at the end of September, and it'll take 2-3 days to arrive to my place. I'll then be working on shipping out all the orders in the order they came in and depending on the shipping option you chose, you would receive it within 1-3 days (DHL) or 6-10 business days (untracked, under 250g) for int'l shipments outside of CA/USA
Say hi to my new home for my didn't-make-MOQ-Classic-Beige-GB cash.
One question: are these stems totally compatible with stock Cherry switch housings?
My board is switch top-removable and I'm planning to circle back and tackle all of the soldering lateron [sic], but seriously. When these arrive, I just want to drop the stems right into my board - am I in for any surprises? From the pics I've seen these look totally compatible with existing housings. Can anybody confirm?
Cheers,
K
Thanks for the reply Zeal!
Any chance you can drop some stems in some cherry housings just to be sure? It's much easier to throw $100+ bucks at a "they do" than it is to throw them at a "they should."
cheers,
K
Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
I think I read the same review. I think I chose the 65g's because it was reported they are a little snappier on the upstroke but I think I'm going to have to order the 67g's also because that's what I have on my gon (67g ergo clears) and it is by far my favorite cherry switch to type on and the more I wear it in the better it seems to feel :))Order submitted for 100 x 67g Zealiosi ordered the 65's I am debating on getting enough 67's for a ctrlalt 60 gon :eek: very excited I am thank you for this Zealio :cool:
I went with the 67s because of the reports that said they feel similar to Thorpies :)
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
I wonder if someone has a picture comparing the Purple's stem and Cherry's clear stem. Particularly in the side where the stems actually touch and activate the switch contacts.
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1847867#msg1847867)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1848929#msg1848929)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/T2lbgCI.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/9MkRTj9.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Ul7IpLl.jpg)
Is it an optical illusion, or the purple's bump is a little bit softer than the one on a gray / clear's stem?
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sorry, it's impossible to put into words. Basically they're exactly the same as ergo clears, I don't know how to get more "closer to Ergo Clears", as they are literally the same thing. The only difference is that the Gateron stem is machined better than Cherry, so it is smoother, which leads to a better feeling.
Sold for some purples; but, I need help to decide on the spring's module: My preferred switch is an Ergo Clear with 65g golden springs I got from Sprit, what would be the closest purple to that modded Clear.
I have the 65g sprit springs, as well as 65g zealio samples. I'd say they're not comparable at all, because the zealio stem is a lot smoother. You literally can't compare side by side, but with the 65g sprit spring in the zealio, it is very similar.
Do you think that purples with stronger springs may be closer to Ergo Clears than 65g?
Sorry, it's impossible to put into words. Basically they're exactly the same as ergo clears, I don't know how to get more "closer to Ergo Clears", as they are literally the same thing. The only difference is that the Gateron stem is machined better than Cherry, so it is smoother, which leads to a better feeling.
Thank you for your comment, I am just trying to understand what spring module may feel closer to ergo-clears, I know they are not the same, and that the mold Gateron is using has a smoother surface than Cherry's; this means, they would feel lighter, even with the same force.
I just want to say a big thank you to Zeal. I've probably changed my order three times now, and every time he's been real helpful with the process. For Cherry switches I've been a Brown user and I recently tried Clears again after a long time of not typing on them. At first I thought they were too heavy for my liking but recently I have a new liking to them. I think I will probably really like them and get used to them after typing on them for a long period of time, so I am going to give them a few weeks for me to get used to them again.
I had originally only wanted to try Zealios 62g gram tactiles, but I feel like I'll be missing out if I never try out the other weights so I had to order all three because the Butt-hole Surfers once said "...It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do..." -RHCP
I just want to say a big thank you to Zeal. I've probably changed my order three times now, and every time he's been real helpful with the process. For Cherry switches I've been a Brown user and I recently tried Clears again after a long time of not typing on them. At first I thought they were too heavy for my liking but recently I have a new liking to them. I think I will probably really like them and get used to them after typing on them for a long period of time, so I am going to give them a few weeks for me to get used to them again.
I had originally only wanted to try Zealios 62g gram tactiles, but I feel like I'll be missing out if I never try out the other weights so I had to order all three because the Butt-hole Surfers once said "...It's better to regret something you did than something you didn't do..." -RHCP
So Zeal, when do you start putting customer testimonials on your website?
as the end of the GB approaches, is there a better estimate of what the post-GB price markup is likely to be? Will there be a big difference?
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
HahaI should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
+1, adrenaline injection is better than other drugs, it is free, and safe.
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Yeah I just realized that, is there a Gateron version of the clear or is this it?
Is there something (other than aesthetics)different between these and a standard Gateron clear with a spring swap?
Gateron clears aren't like MX clears. They're (35g I believe) linears.
Yeah I just realized that, is there a Gateron version of the clear or is this it?
When do you think that these will be in our hands?
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Before the next olympics
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Before the next olympics
I should put my order in lol.Nah, wait until the last minute.
+1, adrenaline injection is better than other drugs, it is free, and safe.
When do you think that these will be in our hands?Zeal is planning a coordinated release along with Half Life 3.
You guys are ducks. Zeal will deliver.Never any doubt! Just picking on the impatient types.
Ordered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Ordered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
Gon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
How hard is it? I'm scaredGon's will take ages thoughOrdered 110 Purple 67g and 90 purple 65g.
Any advice on a 108 keyboard PCB?
Gon's or Winkeyless would be the best available without a GB.
+1
Apparently he is struggling with orders that include assembling, but for stock parts the delivery times are within weeks. To be fair, I'd say the quality of the PCBs is great.
I ordered pretty much all the parts for a nerd60 in july and had them within a month
just assemble it yourself! It's a ton of fun and really not that hard
I am glad I did the assembly myself; even, I dissipated the myth of SMD soldering.
Also FWIW, I made an order of six PCBs from winkeyless and a buttload of parts on the 18th, including one with soldered controller/RGB/resistors/diodes, and I received the entire package on the 25th. I was floored at how fast I got everything.
Thank you for the info on the GON and Winkeyless.
As far as soldering goes the best bet for solder iron is either a Weller WES51 or Hakko FX888D (digital will allow for better control of temp.). Unless you have access to an older Weller unit. They are of better quality and are work horses.
As stated, practice with an old board or buy a practice bread-board. SMD (Surface Mount Device) soldering is not really hard but takes patience and a small flat tip is best.
Keep the tip of the iron tinned (solder) while soldering and when you finish soldering put a glob of solder on the tip. It helps to keep the tip from oxidizing.
MX/Gateron switches, diodes and any other component with leads can be soldered with a pointed tip iron.
Note: Purchase Hakko solder tips from reputable source and not ebay. They are more than likely knock offs.
Do you know how long the housings take from them? Wanted to get a b.mini for my gf
Do you know how long the housings take from them? Wanted to get a b.mini for my gf
My entire order included six PCBs (one fully soldered, the rest bare), three sets of housings, and on-board components for everything. Sent the order Sept 18 morning, shipped out Sept 24 morning from Korea, received Sept 25 afternoon in eastern US.
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
I don't know what to which ones to get and how many ugh! :confused:
I was having a hard justifying the price for myself until I realized I spent a combined $120 for 100x Clear Switch Tops, 100x Vintage Blues, and 100x 62g Sprit Springs. $75 for 100x Zealios doesn't sound bad at all.
Finally joined... in for 200 67g :)
I don't know what to which ones to get and how many ugh! :confused:
I was having a hard justifying the price for myself until I realized I spent a combined $120 for 100x Clear Switch Tops, 100x Vintage Blues, and 100x 62g Sprit Springs. $75 for 100x Zealios doesn't sound bad at all.
I did such a crap job of lubing my switches for my gon that I want to move to something that is done well at the factory - hence my purchase
Have a look at the various reviews posted in the thread - livingspeedbump's was very helpful to me
I don't think you can go wrong with any of them tbh
Ugh...China has too many holidays in September/October. :( There's a high chance there's gonna be one more week of waiting. Sorry folks </3
Sept (25), (26), 27, (28) "Mid-Autumn Festival"
October 1-7: "National Day Golden Week holiday"
http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
I did the thing and ordered 90 of the 62g linears.
Guess that makes me the odd one out of a mob of tactile fans.
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
GON has everything to build your board, stabs, resistors, diodes, leds and so on. The base GON Nerd60 is 55 also, if you do not need the Bluetooth functionality. Beware that he has a backlog for orders that require some extra assembly. It appears he is delivering on of stock ones.
Waited until the last minute...but I could no longer resit :)
65g Tactile here we gooooo! These are my first purchase for my first 60%. Planning on building it myself -- I was looking at the Sprit PCB's, but may have to look into what Gon makes.
My poor wallet :(
Gon's are gonna be a bit better, though certainly more expensive. If you're willing to shell out $110 for a PCB, the wireless Nerd60 is amazing.
Glad to know, thanks! Oooo he keeps white in stock :p
Where do you usually turn to for cases / stabilizers?
GON has everything to build your board, stabs, resistors, diodes, leds and so on. The base GON Nerd60 is 55 also, if you do not need the Bluetooth functionality. Beware that he has a backlog for orders that require some extra assembly. It appears he is delivering on of stock ones.
I pulled up his store this evening...he has it all! $55 seems like a reasonable price -- how does a Bluetooth controller double the price? I'm a bit ignorant. Thanks for the tip.
Zeal, I dropped you a PM about adding switches to my existing order. Please let me know if I need to cancel and re-order, or if you can amend my existing order. Either is fine with me.
Unfortunately it let me send it without a proper subject, so it says (No Subject) ... sorry about that. :-[
Thanks again for offering these, really looking forward to building a few boards with them.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
So is the order deadline still today?
So is the order deadline still today?
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
So is the order deadline still today?
I'll extend the order and keep the price the same til Oct 9 (or 12), which is when I would expect the shipment to come in. After that day, prices will be adjusted to $1/switch retail without 4% "pp fee".
But did you already send out the switches for the "soft close" of the gb?
Ugh...China has too many holidays in September/October. :( There's a high chance there's gonna be one more week of waiting. Sorry folks </3
Sept (25), (26), 27, (28) "Mid-Autumn Festival"
October 1-7: "National Day Golden Week holiday"
http://www.timeanddate.com/holidays/china/
Oh my god Zeal this buy has been so horribly and completely mismanaged. I can't believe you're subjecting us to yet another arduous delay
/s
In all seriousness, I'm amazed at how quickly this has happened, especially considering the unique quality of the order. No problem at all!
Switches will come in early October and I'll work on shipping out everyone's preorders first. Soft close was when I had placed my order with Gateron, and wired them the money. Everyone will get a shipping confirmation email once I start shipping out orders.
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
In other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the thread
In other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
There won't be any large quantities of 62gs listed on my store. I did my best to estimate the ratios at which the Zealios would sell at, and obviously underestimated. Maybe there will be a round 2 next year, depending on customer feedback.
I've been saying this a lot, and I'll say it again: if you're going for the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g zealios is where it's at. This is due to the smoothness of the plastic making 62g a bit less tactile feeling. 62g Purple Zealio really feels like a middle ground between a super smooth brown and clear.
Trying to get an order of 62g but the site says I can only add 7 to my cart. Is there a limit? I couldnt find anything in the threadIn other news, I guess I did a miscalculation on my part when placing the bulk order with Gatern. 62g Purple Zealios weren't doing so hot, so I ordered a lot more 65g and 67g versions. As of this post, there's just shy of 400 62g Purple Zealios left. I've already modified the 62g purp listing so I don't oversell those.
Gateron has also confirmed that the order is complete, and will be ready to ship on October 8 after the National Day Golden Week holiday.
Thanks I don't know how I missed that. Thats a bummer I guess thats what I get for waiting so long. I'll just have to wait a while until those appear in the store :(
There won't be any large quantities of 62gs listed on my store. I did my best to estimate the ratios at which the Zealios would sell at, and obviously underestimated. Maybe there will be a round 2 next year, depending on customer feedback.
I've been saying this a lot, and I'll say it again: if you're going for the 62g ergo clear feel, 65g zealios is where it's at. This is due to the smoothness of the plastic making 62g a bit less tactile feeling. 62g Purple Zealio really feels like a middle ground between a super smooth brown and clear.
Ooooh ok I misunderstood the whole going to a $1 thing in OCT. I thought it would be an ongoing order after a while.
I really love nice worn in browns so I was definitely after the lighter switch with a slightly more pronounced bump than a brown. I debating right now if 65g would be a little too heavy for me personally and just buying an order. I have a bag of 62g springs but IIRC you said they werent the same springs as Spirit
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?It's been extended.
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?Show Image(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/spring-rate-chart.jpg)
You can read more here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
"Korean" springs are rated to bottom-out. MX doesn't quote their springs ratings, only their switches, and these are rated to actuation, so it differs according to the stem type as well as the spring strength.
The original GB period is already over and I'm still confused about spring weights. For comparison, using the same measuring system, what would be the weight of a stock MX Brown spring? And a stock MX Clear spring?Show Image(http://www.knizefamily.net/images/pool/spring-rate-chart.jpg)
You can read more here: https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=46449.0
"Korean" springs are rated to bottom-out. MX doesn't quote their springs ratings, only their switches, and these are rated to actuation, so it differs according to the stem type as well as the spring strength.
So all three are pretty similar to MX Brown, and even the 67g is quite a bit lighter than stock MX Clear, yeah?
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
62g/65g/67g are all a bit heavier than reds, but lighter than blacks.
I saw that but I took it to mean "they're all *somewhere* in between Reds and Blacks", rather than "they're all substantially lighter than Blacks"
Thanks!
I'm still trying to make up my mind if I wanna put these in my FC660M. I don't really use it much now that I bat for Team Alps, and my daily driver is a V80MTS-C. But I did recently put some effort into making GMK-TA caps work on it, (incl front legends!) so it'd be a shame to just sell it. Maybe the Zealios would let it be stronger competition for the V80 in teh feelz department. Not sure I can be bothered with all that soldering tho, especially with no dedicated workspace and a 4-year-old zooming around the house...
Sad.Nope they are out. There may be a round 2 one day but for now the option is for 65g or 67g
I got cash now for some switches
But 62g is sold out :|
Is it sold out for pre orders or completely?
As in, do you have stock to sell them at the $1 price?
If so, I'll older some now and then some later
Or just wait until the orders go out. I wasn't sure which ones I would want, so I ordered 100 of each. I'll probably get rid of the ones I don't like. I have a feeling I'm going to like the 67s
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
I ordered 67g switches, but in case if I find them too heavy, I got a pack of 62g springs off massdrop (https://www.massdrop.com/buy/custom-cherry-mx-springs). However, are these 62g springs going to have the same weight as in 62g zealio switches?
No.
Massdrop's reselling some of Gateron's stock springs with weird actuation force ratings. The Korean rating is based off of bottom out, so your 62g "massdrop" springs will be heavier than any of the springs offered with Zealios.
Whoa, somehow I thought 67g zealios would be super heavy, so they are on par with Cherry MX Clear/Ergo Clear then? Good to know :)
Whoa, somehow I thought 67g zealios would be super heavy, so they are on par with Cherry MX Clear/Ergo Clear then? Good to know :)
Sad.
I got cash now for some switches
But 62g is sold out :|
Is it sold out for pre orders or completely?
As in, do you have stock to sell them at the $1 price?
If so, I'll older some now and then some later
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
declared as 10$ gift :))
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/GfWJXUh.gif)
Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Well sunshine, you just have to simply use GOOGLE and there are heaps of videos and pictures showing you how to lube anything, not just Cherry Switches and keyboards ;D .
Well sunshine, you just have to simply use GOOGLE and there are heaps of videos and pictures showing you how to lube anything, not just Cherry Switches and keyboards ;D .
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Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
It's a long shot I know but has anyone tried these with heavier springs? I'm really liking the MX blacks in my numberpad but Zealios are lighter than them, and I'm planning on lubing so they'll feel even lighter still. No point going stiff if the bump disappears or becomes really pronounced though...
It's a long shot I know but has anyone tried these with heavier springs? I'm really liking the MX blacks in my numberpad but Zealios are lighter than them, and I'm planning on lubing so they'll feel even lighter still. No point going stiff if the bump disappears or becomes really pronounced though...
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Edit: Canada shipping rates suck so bad... :(
Well i have a Brand new KUL ES-87 with cherry mx clears..
Don't really like the board it has a pinging noise and the enter key (when pressed slowly) makes a squeaking noise..
Clearly the board is not lubed correctly..
Never learned how to do that..
So if i where you i would not go with the KUL..
Or if you must you can buy mine hahaha.. :p
Mine has the MX Clears and the ping is quite loud.
In fact, it happens to sound strikingly close to the sound of the crowbar in Half-Life.
I'm hoping the Zealios will cure it.
Small update:
The Zealio switch shipment is quite large (~280kg/617lb), and will be shipped over the course of 3-4 days via DHL Express. First shipment should go out on Oct 8. :)
GB order pricing is still available til Oct 9-12ish!
Awwwww yeah, my desoldering gun is ready!
86kg / 13 boxes have been shipped on Oct 8 (China time)... :cool:
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#hypeisreal
14 boxes ~90kg were shipped yesterday and will be delivered on Tues due to Monday holiday here.
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Zeal took ~hour to compose that message :P
Actually, half of the switches come in today. Other half on Tuesday. (shipment was actually closer to 200kg).
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.Do you ship this seperately or can I cancel the lube? Sorry want these switches as fast as possible, so I can start my first build :-*
People that ordered the mini Geekhackers V3 lube vials will have to wait a bit longer. Ming ran out of mini vials and has already re-ordered more. Hopefully he'll have them filled up soon and shipped out asap.Do you ship this seperately or can I cancel the lube? Sorry want these switches as fast as possible, so I can start my first build :-*
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
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Woah, looks like I was the first with order #1601. :3Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
Woah, looks like I was the first with order #1601. :3Awesome, what would be ETA for those that order NO lube?
I'll be shipping through the orders that came in first that can be fulfilled, so it would depend on how far down the list (how large your order # is). My goal is hopefully to have everything shipped within 2 weeks, and no later than end of month.
Which order # are you on? :3
He doesn't get the switches until Tuesday. But for your reference, my order number is 1603. Zeal said I was one of the first 3 to order.
BTW thanks a lot Zeal, that's some amazing work you're doing!
Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !
I already have the boards im using these on I am officially over hyped
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)hey bald :p orders are actually still up by the looks of it at the GB price of $0.75 a switch. He will be changing that to a dollar a switch soon to give us who invested in the GB a perk but I believe there will be extras so go to the first page and hit the link my friend ! Your zealios await :thumb:
Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !There is a list? Where can I see it?
I don't think there is a list that you can see. He was probably referring to the different order numbers he got when he made some changes to his order. As the order number increases, his order number gets bumped down the list.Just ordered 60 more 8) my problem is everytime I change my order I get bumped further down the list haha !There is a list? Where can I see it?
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
Decided to maintain the GB pricing til I receive my second shipment. After that, it'll be $1/switch.
I know orders are closed and what have you, but are there are spares or extra's??? (I only just heard about this lol)
Decided to maintain the GB pricing til I receive my second shipment. After that, it'll be $1/switch.
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)so even though my order probably won't be in this batch (I changed it a couple of times) I cannot tell you how excited I am :p thanks zeal for all your hard work and seeing this throughShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
So the 67g Tactiles have been missed completely because ............ ?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)
So the 67g Tactiles have been missed completely because ............ ?
:'( :'( :'( :'(
67g shipment along with Linear Zealios come in tomorrow/Tuesday via DHL. I only received half my shipment :p
Rest assured, those will be packed up shortly after they come in!
67g shipment along with Linear Zealios come in tomorrow/Tuesday via DHL. I only received half my shipment :p
Rest assured, those will be packed up shortly after they come in!
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)AlSO GOOD GOD MAN ! ...DID YOU PACK ALL OF THOSE YOURSELF THIS WEEKEND...? :eek: mother of christ your a machineShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I call this "find your order" :p (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)AlSO GOOD GOD MAN ! ...DID YOU PACK ALL OF THOSE YOURSELF THIS WEEKEND...? :o mother of christ your a machineShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)Show Image(https://33.media.tumblr.com/78440d8fa6896ab97cf87ccc1a5fb077/tumblr_n6lrnoVMBj1qmu7fho3_r1_500.gif)
HYPED! I have an order in the 67g batch so I guess I have to wait some more.me too! this is some real hype!
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
I got my shipping notification, but I'm still not quite sure what the project will look like in the end. I have the Carbon keys coming hopefully before the end of the year and a plate from massdrop, but I think I want to use the carbon keys on my Pok3r and build a whole new concept. I'm just not sure what just yet.
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
I want to build a 60% with a metal case - I love the heavy feel of the Pok3r. I also want to use some kind of Retro themed keys. Any suggestions?
Depends what kind of retro you want. Modern Selectric is based on the IBM Selectric typewriter, Retro SA is based on the Commodore 64 (so a bit later than the Selectric), Jukebox is based on the 1950's, etc. I think Retro SA with PETSCII caps is the most appealing. All black Modern Selectric is my 2nd favorite.
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Now this... This is exciting news!!!Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Ha! I ordered one of those a couple of days ago from your site :) Unfortunately, Mechanical Keyboards ran out of the PCB I wanted... To GON I go, I suppose!!!Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/12/3360554f91808144fc401b70c25dcc51.jpg)
Hype
DHL pls. :'( Why can you move packages but not deliver on a holiday :'(Show Image(http://puu.sh/kHYlG/f6b41ca11a.png)
Is this linear & 67g shipment?
Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
Thanks. Just being paranoid.Can't wait! Should I be worried if I haven't gotten a shipping notification for my 65g tactile switches yet?
Printing labels and packing orders take longer than putting them in bags. Notifications will come soon™
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
I call this "find your order" :P (62g and 65g Purple Zealios sorting completed)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/lvQCqHa.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/t9VEkE7.jpg)
Nice! :D :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/GWBQB6g.jpg)
its sooo purdy....
When do you think the first orders will actually get mailed out?
When do you think the first orders will actually get mailed out?
If you got a shipping notification, your orders will go out today. Haven't updated this thread with as much pictures as i wanted, as most quick snaps have been going on instagram :P
Pics!
Canada post int'l mail, Canada post domestic (left, right)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yci964v.jpg)
Shipments via DHL (USA/Int'l)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/HdoLyEu.jpg)
Wall-o-boxesShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/pkp4ns1.jpg)
Recycling switch containersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/K6kztGB.jpg)
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc and sign the piece of paper at the bottom. 99% chance they'll leave the package at your doorsteps as instructed, unless they have reasonable grounds to believe it isn't safe to leave the package unattended.
P.S. If you live in the USA and received a shipping notification, DHL will be delivering tomorrow. If you aren't available to sign for the package (this is their default release method), please tape a piece of paper to your door with your tracking # and a little (kind?) note instructing them to leave the package at your door, etc.:O
If DHL do that here in Brazil, my package will be stolen in 5 minutes or less. Thankfully DHL's Brazilian operation understands that and never let packages alone at the door.
I'm just imagining the thief trying to fence the stuff. "I have no idea, but this receipt says almost a dollar each! Maybe it's drugs...?"
I'm just imagining the thief trying to fence the stuff. "I have no idea, but this receipt says almost a dollar each! Maybe it's drugs...?"
No receipt inside the packages. :p
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly :P
there has only been a handful of reviews with no one really getting there hands on a decent amount(enough to full whole boards) so I believe anyone who loved gateron blacks and is planning on modding and backlighting them will be in love with these in the end they will save money and most likely not have to lube them!You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly :P
Speaking of DHL, part 2 of 2 have landed. 14 boxes totaling 93kg! Pricing has been adjusted to $1/ea. 4% tax/pp fee at checkout has been removedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VvmAzr0.jpg)
Linear Zealios weren't too popular, but they definitely look like crystals! Super dreamy and warm :-*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/peMlNCx.jpg)
I'm assuming it's because the purple is a whole new switch that standardizes a favorite custom, whereas a clear can be a pumped-up Gateron Black.You realise of course that the customs can hold the package until a receipt is supplied?
This is true, at the end they have many ways to make us to pay the duties.
Brazilian custom's agents have the authority to assign a value for any given item if they do not come with a receipt (or if the supplied receipt value is deemed too low). Usually it is outrageous.
A small white box with no branding is the least eye-catching item that gets processed. Even then, if your order was shipped via DHL, chances are they don't even look at the boxes as everything is automatically cleared in bulk (no invoices are attached to the parcel as it's all uploaded online). Plus, they have their own customs broker that are busy attaching COD orange papers to shipments. Those guys literally just look at whatever declared value and charge accordingly
Speaking of DHL, part 2 of 2 have landed. 14 boxes totaling 93kg! Pricing has been adjusted to $1/ea. 4% tax/pp fee at checkout has been removedShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/VvmAzr0.jpg)
Linear Zealios weren't too popular which is a shame :( but they definitely look like crystals! Super dreamy and warm toned :-*Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/peMlNCx.jpg)
Does anyone know what the "early" order numbers are?
I have order number 1622, but I'm pretty sure I ordered the day these were available. (I assume that the order numbering is concatenated over the entire history of the site, so I'm wondering when I might be able to hope for some of these wonderful little beauties!!!)
Does anyone know what the "early" order numbers are?
I have order number 1622, but I'm pretty sure I ordered the day these were available. (I assume that the order numbering is concatenated over the entire history of the site, so I'm wondering when I might be able to hope for some of these wonderful little beauties!!!)
Started at 1601. Your order hasn't gone out yet because I was waiting for 67g Purple Zealios to come in today. :P Will be packing and shipping accordingly.
Started at 1601. Your order hasn't gone out yet because I was waiting for 67g Purple Zealios to come in today. :p Will be packing and shipping accordingly.
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D47Haki.jpg)
Nice bag! Now get your soldering gun and a PCB, and go get fun. Happy DIY.
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Nice bag! Now get your soldering gun and a PCB, and go get fun. Happy DIY.
My QFR is sitting on my bench half desoldered. Lunch will be spent finishing the deed! 8)
Zealios have landed in Colorado!
Pictures, or it never happens.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/D47Haki.jpg)
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
+1 very professional and impressive, even more so considering you're a one-man show.
Zeal, any update on the lube? I think that's holding up my order :-(
Well done on this GB from initial thought to completion. Even down to posting individual sorting, bagging, boxing, etc.
Very, very much so.
Take notes ladies and gents, this is how you run a very successful buy. Lots of communication, no surprises, and an amazing product.
Zealous have landed successfully in Philly!
Just got 250 of them in Rochester NY :D
wow everyone is getting their zealios! niceeee!
I agree! I can already tell it is going to be my favorite as well with only that transparent housing and purple stem! :)wow everyone is getting their zealios! niceeee!
Not yet, but I know these switches will be my favorite ones, all around.
Who needs to eat at lunch? :-X
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Happiest Little QFR on the Block
Who needs to eat at lunch? :-X
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Happiest Little QFR on the Block
****, that's fast. haha
Do we know who won the Binge Zealio caps?
Do we know who won the Binge Zealio caps?
We won't know until those winners post piccssssss
I need these to arrive yesterday pls
That looks great. Now, how many more minutes until a typing test pops up?
Yeah, I would if I actually had an audio setup that wouldn't be me putting my phone next to my keyboard, but alas I do not.
But I will say that the combination of the Zealios and SA is pretty damn good.
I need these to arrive yesterday pls
Here I'll make you more jelly by showing you my zealio-qfr with an artisanMoreShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/zUuwphq.jpg)
Tasted good too :p
Just got my 65g Zealios in. They are so purrrrrdy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
I'll be putting them into an Ergodox build, but I'll be waiting on Carbon SA to compete it.
Sure is. He had this and a brown/smoke case for sale as one-offs. I'm sure he'd make more, but the cost for the colored acrylic is $15 more than his standard clear acrylic.Just got my 65g Zealios in. They are so purrrrrdy:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/j6ABLaA.jpg)
I'll be putting them into an Ergodox build, but I'll be waiting on Carbon SA to compete it.
Sick case. Was it from Narcoleptic_bat?
Switches arrived today. Can't wait to put them to use.Ditto on the Binge-less.
No binge though :(
Zealios in my b.faceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvcBfFz.jpg)
Stickered and lubed spring Zealios on a Face W in a P3xon aluminum case!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/jo3pYAb.jpg)
Ooh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!
It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
Zealios in my b.faceShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/TvcBfFz.jpg)
Oops. I spilled some into my light box ... with some keycaps, switch stickers and a cable... what a mess ;DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/i2AiLze.jpg)
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
But my PCB only has one hole :DOh my bad, didn't occur to me that you'd be soldering to a prebuilt board. Like the others said, you don't really need anything special.
But my PCB only has one hole :DYou don't actually need to clip the switches to plate mount.I'm gonna plate mount them too. Do you have a recommended clipper to clip those prongs? Me first time ;DOoh a PCB mounted Zealio build! :O Need to bring out your lightbox!It's going to be plate mounted just waiting on a plate that should be coming in this weekend. These switches are glorious, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/TIb1y2nh.jpg?1)
flush cutters or even nail clippers would probably work fine.
Thanks @Zeal for not only sending the switches, but also for concatenating my two orders together, despite the fact that they were separated by about 400 other orders, and refunding me shipping for one of the orders. That's awesome! Again, thanks very much!!!
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
Looking good!
Did you get your other leds installed? ;)
Looking good!
Did you get your other leds installed? ;)
Nope, I do not think I am going to install in switch leds.
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Question.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
The RGB leds are mounted to the pcb and light the case up. What you are seeing is the zealios get lit up by the case lights.The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.Question.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
I'm getting a B.face some time next month. How do I get the RGB LEDs like that? Or are those just the LED covers?
Shipping notification received! HYPE!
That underlighting looks great, but I'm afraid it would taint in-switch LED colors, forcing you to use a complementary color scheme. I hadn't considered that. Would switch stickers help block some of the light? I have a b.87 with the same plate scheme except opaque top and I was planning on using SIP sockets, but maybe I'll just use white LEDs. Hmm.
Also Zeal, I wanted to mention, the tracking notification isn't linked to the shopify shipping notification. In the Zeal store email, it has my order # as the tracking number, then links to a google search of that number. Not sure if that is intentional.
My bad. I just checked your order and I pasted your order # by accident (I copy that when I fill out the customs form). I copy and paste the tracking number once the label is made, but I guess i failed to ctrl c properly that time. I've updated your tracking number on my end, and it should directly link to DHL with the progress of your shipment.
Recieved my shipping notice as well, can't wait to try the switches out! I recieved no tracking though; could you add that to my order Zeal? :) Thanks beforehand, and also thanks for hosting this amazing GB!
Recieved my shipping notice as well, can't wait to try the switches out! I recieved no tracking though; could you add that to my order Zeal? :) Thanks beforehand, and also thanks for hosting this amazing GB!
The cheap small packet air shipping does not have tracking as stated when you checking out. However from my experience, it usually delivers within 4-6 business days to EU.
Man, every GB I waffle back and forth about whether to order (or what to order) and end up really far back in the shipping queue. Gotta stop doing that.
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Any pictures with caps on?
Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
I was using one of the purple colors for the rgb case lights. Sorry the quality is so low.Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
What colour LEDs are you using?
I was using one of the purple colors for the rgb case lights. Sorry the quality is so low.Would love to see these switches with some clothes on, just to get an idea of the keycap underglow. :p :-*
Stealing nickheller's karma :pShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/vlJUa44.jpg)
What colour LEDs are you using?
Have not got my shipping notice yet. That happens because I did not join immediately.
:-\
Have not got my shipping notice yet. That happens because I did not join immediately.
:-\
Was packing til 3am last night...That's 51 boxes, maybe try to get another 20 or so done before DHL / CP cut off time.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/b7UUoGk.jpg)
Any word on the lube zeal?
Mine have arrived, but I'm going out of town this weekend so won't be able to assemble anything for a few days.
RIP
Mine have arrived, but I'm going out of town this weekend so won't be able to assemble anything for a few days.
RIP
Poor planning skills Hoff... very poor :mad:
om nom nomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lDdIxk1.jpg)
om nom nomShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/lDdIxk1.jpg)
Don't eat them!
So I got a little surprise in my box today..**** you.
So I got a little surprise in my box today..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16gOlqV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/E2DAuYF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFPixtP.jpg)
Is this the first Binge winner to report in?
So I got a little surprise in my box today..Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/16gOlqV.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/E2DAuYF.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/kFPixtP.jpg)
I can haz speeling
I can haz speelingI thought that was intentional :))
Oh man. I totally missed this. When are the 62g tactiles coming back, if ever?No confirmed date (https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/3o5lrr/z/cvud0fu).
65g and 67g were the most popular weights, so more of those variants were ordered. 62g preorders are completely bought out, so you'd have to wait until round 2 (unsure of date).
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.I got some of the heavy ones in the mail yesterday.
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.
Prototyping my lube station. :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/3tY7GUq.png)
The Zealios have a nice underglow effect when used on a b.face, or other keyboard with case lighting. This is caused by the transparent post on the switch bottoms.
Lights off pictures (http://imgur.com/a/Qpf3e)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SVDK7ro.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/tsTfXO3.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MPdKsVE.png)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Vt5TqwH.png)
how far are you into shipping the purple 67 purples? Still waiting for my shipping notification.
Would depend on your order contents and position. I'm currently shipping orders in the 18xx-19xx range. Everyone will receive a shipping notification when their order ships, so please sit tight while I get through as many orders as I can over the weekend.
Zeal, I'm crapping in your thread to hit 2k posts kay? ;D
Also, get some rest. It's almost 2am and you're eating ****ty pizza while trying to pack these things.
You're going to end up collapsing from exhaustion when you run to the DHL guy.
Either that or you will vomit ****ty pizza all over the DHL guy.
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!
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200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
From what I've heard about Brazils postal system, this is a miracle. Enjoy!
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!
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200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
The eagle has landed! Repeat: the eagle has landed!These are all im waiting on for my ctrlalt60 the anticipation is real
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200 67g Zealios switches. Now I need the boards to use them. :D Or maybe I could change the Cherry MX Black switches of my Cherry G80-3000.
So many options...
Can't beat that Friday shipping ->Monday delivery time :DMan, sometimes I have glimpses of what the civilized world is like. This was one of these moments. (Not perfect because of import taxes, but very close.)
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clipYou mean inside the body of the switch? I haven't. I think I might have some at home, so I can give it a go when I get off work and let you know (if I can find the leds, of course)
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clip
Has anyone checked if a 2x3x4 LED fits under the hood? I just received my order of 180 today :D If it fits, I'm going to Staples to get an appropriately sized binder clipYou mean inside the body of the switch? I haven't. I think I might have some at home, so I can give it a go when I get off work and let you know (if I can find the leds, of course)
Mine arrived today :D :D
Just realised I am a pain in the arse and ordered 105... not a power of 10... :( Sorry Zeal bro.
How do you place the 2x3x4 LED into the switch? I didn't know that possible! :o
How do you place the 2x3x4 LED into the switch? I didn't know that possible! :o
Open the switch top and plop that sucker in where the LED usually goes :)
Someone build me a Zealios board, send it to me to try for about a month, and I promise to send it back with only a few random pubes in it.
Think about it this way...
You could convert me back to MX.
Mine arrived today :D :D
Just realised I am a pain in the arse and ordered 105... not a power of 10... :( Sorry Zeal bro.
Multiples of 10, not powers! :) I don't think many people ordered 1,000, much less 10,000. :P
Someone build me a Zealios board, send it to me to try for about a month, and I promise to send it back with only a few random pubes in it.
Think about it this way...
You could convert me back to MX.
I'll do that if you promise at least 6 random pubes.
Does that mean 6 pubes from different parts of my body? Or from 6 different people? I may have to get real freaky to make this work. No problemo.I'm pretty sure pubes only come from one part of your body buddy
Does that mean 6 pubes from different parts of my body? Or from 6 different people? I may have to get real freaky to make this work. No problemo.I'm pretty sure pubes only come from one part of your body buddy
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
I think pubes are named after the scientific term "public region", which I believe is any region that someone wants to make love to. So, Abs, how sexy are your armpits? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
Got my shipping notice says it's coming in tomorrow. I don't need to be home to sign for it do I?
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue). PCB mount pins are a bit tight on my FaceW but not a big deal. Only vexing issue I had was with the space bar switch which stuck a bit - bit of lube fixed it right up.
Great stuff, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Fpu074L.jpg)
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue). PCB mount pins are a bit tight on my FaceW but not a big deal. Only vexing issue I had was with the space bar switch which stuck a bit - bit of lube fixed it right up.
Great stuff, Zeal!Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Fpu074L.jpg)
Been a long and tedious day... but it's over!I've put sip sockets in my zealios. Could I ask you to add a picture of how long you cut the legs of the leds down to? I'm not sure how much I should cut mine...
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ
I've put sip sockets in my zealios. Could I ask you to add a picture of how long you cut the legs of the leds down to? I'm not sure how much I should cut mine...
If you have the time to, of course!
The plate arrived and I learned how to solder. Beautiful switches - a pleasure to work with. The new gateron mold for the tops is great (I've only had experience with the ones that had that catching issue).
Thanks for sharing! Winkeyless/Sprit PCBs have a slightly smaller PCB mount hole meant for Cherry switches, so that's why they feel tighter. On other boards with "standard" holes, they fit in perfectly snug.I am waiting on a RS84, I guess it will also have the smaller holes?
Received my Zealios. The name reminds me of cereal, so I contemplated putting them in a bowl with a spoon and taking a few photos but decided against it in the end.
They're great. I'm going to have to order more (at an even higher price! :-X ). Thanks, Zeal.
ZEALIOS ARE PART OF A BALANCED BREAKFAST.
Been a long and tedious day... but it's over!
http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ (http://imgur.com/a/fvXTQ)
Are armpit hairs considered pubes? Taint hair? Asscrack hair? These are the important questions to ponder in life.
I think pubes are named after the scientific term "public region", which I believe is any region that someone wants to make love to. So, Abs, how sexy are your armpits? ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
So taint hairs are pubes. That is clearly the errogenous (sp?) zone. B-hole hairs may be, too, depending on your kinks.
And somehow I have nice armpits. They never smell and I don't use antiperspirant. I guess they are pretty damn hot.
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I feel like they are. I have the 67g, they're all on a plate right now (I was too eager to wait for the rest of the parts) and I have everything else coming today. Assuming I can find somewhere local to buy a soldering iron and some solder, I'll be able to post impressions tonight/tomorrow!
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I've read a number of reviews, but those were all of single switches, rather than a full board. I'd really like to see a hype-free pros-and-cons. I've got about 200 coming.
Can anyone who's installed their zealios onto a board talk about their impressions so far? I've got a set of 67g coming (hopefully today) but it'll be a while until I can actually put them into a build. Are the descriptions zeal/etc put out ahead of the sale pretty accurate?I've read a number of reviews, but those were all of single switches, rather than a full board. I'd really like to see a hype-free pros-and-cons. I've got about 200 coming.
eyesmiles, your left Alt is crooked...
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Zealios have landed. A small ode to the MX clear for the spacebar. One of my last Cherry MX / MX like switches builds I'll be doing aside from the GH60.
Thank you for your work Zeal! You are a beast as always :thumb:
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Zealios have landed. A small ode to the MX clear for the spacebar. One of my last Cherry MX / MX like switches builds I'll be doing aside from the GH60.
Thank you for your work Zeal! You are a beast as always :thumb:
Hey there, what keyboard is this?
got mine. bit wobblier than MX. dont have anything to mount them on ATM but curious to see what they're like.http://imgur.com/a/sqQJd
can anyone confirm if all gaterons are this wobbly? is it the slider (slightly smaller) or is it the top housing (seems to have a slightly larger opening)?
might be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
You put a piece of copper tape on either side of the slider. Copper is malleable and conforms well to the slider shape. It's also low friction, so it still feels good. Helps improve the stability a lot without losing the beautiful smoothness.Have you tried the switches you did this to enough to know how well it hold up to use?
Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
*wank wank*Gunter, no! (http://i.imgur.com/azvCwQJ.jpg)
1/10 reporting in.
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
But he has "1/10" on the envelope ;)
got mine. bit wobblier than MX. dont have anything to mount them on ATM but curious to see what they're like.http://imgur.com/a/sqQJd
can anyone confirm if all gaterons are this wobbly? is it the slider (slightly smaller) or is it the top housing (seems to have a slightly larger opening)?
That's a Gateron Brown. Measured at both the sliders and just above the sliders. For the record I'm not starting ****. I prefer a lubed Zealio to my Gateron browns. Just sharing the info.
I'm sure Zeal will step in here soon with more info but he mentioned this about the smaller stems:Quotemight be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
I also noticed that Gateron Browns were slightly more wobbly than Cherry Browns. It could be placebo but I've never seen anyone talk about this so I figured it was important to bring up.
Yay! I got my Zealios.
First impressions: They remind me of Alps. Smooth, defined tactility, but wobbly.
The tight top is nice, but a bit pointless due to how loose the slider is. On Row 1 SA caps I don't think they're acceptable, to be honest.
Then there's the slight grinding that you get near bottom out. Looks to me like it's the left "leg" of the slider scraping on the pin extension inside the bottom case.
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However, since I don't like to point out problems without offering a solution, I present to you.... The Golden Zealio mod!
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You put a piece of copper tape on either side of the slider. Copper is malleable and conforms well to the slider shape. It's also low friction, so it still feels good. Helps improve the stability a lot without losing the beautiful smoothness.
So much for the perfect switch, kinda sad now. Ah well there's always topre.
Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
I received my order this afternoon. 150 65g tactiles. I've actually never tried clears before, let alone ergo clears.
I tried blues and browns, but never cared for the much. When it comes to tactile switches, I've always preferred alps.
I don't have a full board to put these on yet (waiting for my planck to arrive, I'm thinking perhaps an ergodox for zealio build #2), but I'm quite impressed by these so far. The tactile bump is very apparent, and they're just so crisp! It's great!
I'm burying the lede here, but I was jumping for joy when I opened the box. Not only did I find some rad switches, but I also got A FRIKKEN BINGE CAP!
1/10 reporting in.Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/0e7f846730ea33e73cbe2aefa99a52d2.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/482d17e9bdff824b377e0a1e74f1edec.jpg)Show Image(http://images.tapatalk-cdn.com/15/10/21/2d7bd030396b5b1be219ed7969783f9f.jpg)
He's living on my Lolita for the moment, but he'll have a permanent home on a zealio switch soon.
1/10 reporting in.
Not to burst your bubble, but you're at the very least 3/10, maybe later. Really nice cap though, you lucky duck! :thumb:
But he has "1/10" on the envelope ;)
Leave it to zeal to mess up the Binge order.
jk :p
jk, not jk ;)rekt :'(
I haven't mounted my Zealios yet so I can't speak to the wobbliness. But at least with Alps switches, the wobbliness allows for less resistance when striking a key a bit off-center. In that regard I would think it's preferable for taller caps like SA.
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I did some measurements of the Zealio switch vs MX Tactile gray, and I'd say the dimensions were very close, subject to digital caliper calibration / human error.
MX Tactile Gray got the following measurements:
8.72mm (slider)
7.15mm (top of slider)
5.63mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
Purple Zealio
8.7mm (slider)
7.09mm (top of slider)
5.54mm (measurement from front to rear of switch, above where legs are)
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If anything, I would say this is a fair compromise as I'd rather have a slightly wobblier stem than to have a (Cherry profile) keycap catch onto regular Gateron top housing as reported by members.
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might be slightly smaller, though because it's a bit "wobblier", there's less friction against slider channels, resulting in a smoother feel. also quieter because of different plastic
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As for the slight grinding you sometimes feel while bottoming out -- I've only been able to replicate it when pushing the stem against the "Gateron" logo while applying a diagonal downwards force. From what I feel, it seems like it's from the metal leaf touching the sidewall of the top of the stem, after the bump. If pressing the switch directly up and down, the switch leaf doesn't rub against the side wall which resulted in no grinding feel around the last 0.5mm (or less) of travel. Adding some thick lube where the top of the leg meets the top of the stem helped greatly reduce/remove the grinding feel.
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Would not the adhesive of the copper tape slowly seep out and gum up your switches?
Sounds like we could use a Round 2, *hint hint*, *wink wonk*
Finally got mine installed on my phantom. 62g. I'm thinking I'll probably swap out the springs for 67g though.... 62g feels a bit too light with these switches.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2kHdG7m.jpg)
The RGB switch top had a slight modification per my request to prevent keycap catching, and so far it's worked great with thick Cherry ABS caps. I haven't heard reports of catching yet.
Can anyone explain what "catching" is?
I don't think anyone could design a switch Oobly would be happy with without mods....
Finally got my Duck Octagon together with 67g Zealios:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/dAeiaqj.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/Gy3DKDj.jpg)
Bonus typing video:
Overall very satisfied with the switches! They feel great :thumb:
Looks like the lube arrived, 'cause my order has shipped!
Thanks for all of your hard work Zeal , don't know of a geekhack equivalent so I hooked you up with some reddit gold :thumb:
Yay I got tracking!
Yay I got tracking!
Congratulations! My order is still in the pipeline.
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
Did you accidentally bend the leaf contacts? Try taking the switch tops off and see what happens when you press down on the stem.
Looks like I'll finally be moving away from my Greens.
Either way, thanks a lot Zeal. Love your work.
I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
I'm still a ways off, order 2100. Anticipation!
Next week looks like it'll be a good mail week :D
Trick question: you don't.I'm still a ways off, order 2100. Anticipation!
Next week looks like it'll be a good mail week :D
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
Ugh, the anticipation! I got my plate, and pcd, but all that is left is the switches! I'm looking forward to them soonTM
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
I got two separate shippings with different zeal switches. One has lube in it... But that one without lube.Strange, my orders are 1800ish and i did not recived any shipping conformation yet... I am from EU.Zeal what order range are you up to now?I'm order #1963 and I got a shipping notice yesterday
I am sure Zeal will be by later to comment, but if you ordered lube (specifically spring I think) - it hasn't arrived yet. He also just recently got his thick and thin, so that may affect it. I am sure he has a reason and wouldn't worry.
In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
If you want your excitement to turn into enjoyment, then tell her right away.
Good catch.In the next two weeks I should receive my 65g Zealios, GMK Hyperfuse, and Binge's rad stickers.
My body is ready.
How do I break the news to my wife?
I'm in the same boat (minus the wife). I'm so uncontrollably excited!
I am in for both this and Hyperfuse as well - my wife knows about one. Wondering which will get here first; can't wait for either...
If you want your excitement to turn into enjoyment, then tell her right away.
You must have experience. Do tell
What can I use to lube zealio spring?
Firstly, I read reviews and it said that unlubed version will be better so I just order thin and thick lube. But it turns out that the review samples is a bit different from mass produce version (according to Zeal and gateron) , other people suggest that we need to lube spring for the best feeling.What can I use to lube zealio spring?
You could have bought lube from Zeal's store at the same time :)
I am getting sad by seeing others' Zealios while I do not have even a shipping notice yet.
I am getting sad by seeing others' Zealios while I do not have even a shipping notice yet.
Have patience, I posted my number yesterday of being 2036 and got my shipping notice today.
Received today my 67g switches in Australia! Awesome stuff Zeal! :thumb:
Received today my 67g switches in Australia! Awesome stuff Zeal! :thumb:
WWHHHAAAATTTTTTTT :o :o :o :o .
Damn, he's got his already looks like the guards are busy examining my box for any extras not approved by the warden.
My order is #1796, and I haven't received a shipping notification yet. I'm guessing this is because I also ordered a cable with it. Is that correct?
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
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Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
I actually ordered another batch of purple 67g switches after the GB ended at the new price, so I was wondering what are the status on those orders are?
Thanks for the great customer support.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Yeah, I have all switches in stock except for 62g purple Zealios.
Hey guys, I didn't forget about any of your orders. I haven't been able to finish all the cables ordered (only about a third done), but will be working on them these following days. I just spent 12 hours straight on Sunday packing/shipping til 3am and finished about 150 boxes.
Orders with Spring Lube will be delayed a bit as I'm waiting on Mkawa to ship me the remaining batch of vials. Cables will also be slightly delayed, but hopefully done by this week.
:thumb:
Also, you have pretty much all the switches, right? I think all I have ordered is enough Purple 65g switches to cover a TKL, and then one of the other switches.
Yeah, I have all switches in stock except for 62g purple Zealios.
Out of curiosity, know when those'll be in? I was in the buy for 67g and like em a lot, want to try out the 62g now.
thanks so much for all the hard work you put into this Zeal! I'm #2115 and got my notice today!! super stoked!
Interesting mod, Oobly. You're always tinkering with switches. :)) I don't have SA caps, so I can't comment in that regard.
As for the slight grinding you sometimes feel while bottoming out -- I've only been able to replicate it when pushing the stem against the "Gateron" logo while applying a diagonal downwards force. From what I feel, it seems like it's from the metal leaf touching the sidewall of the top of the stem, after the bump. If pressing the switch directly up and down, the switch leaf doesn't rub against the side wall which resulted in no grinding feel around the last 0.5mm (or less) of travel. Adding some thick lube where the top of the leg meets the top of the stem helped greatly reduce/remove the grinding feel.
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
A couple of my switches actuate just a hair short of touching them. All I did was open them up and add an LED inside, what could I have messed up to cause this?
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
That was on purpose...Accidentally ticked the "do not send customer a shipping confirmation email" on one of my orders, so I had to backtrack about 4-5 orders and put in an order number in order to "update" it with the proper tracking number.
And..it's DHL, not Fedex :PMorebtw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
Zeal sent me my order number as my tracking number. Tsk. 2/10 would not bang (again).
...j/k i'm just salty that i don't have these zealios in my grubby paws yet. C'mon fedex!
That was on purpose...Accidentally ticked the "do not send customer a shipping confirmation email" on one of my orders, so I had to backtrack about 4-5 orders and put in an order number in order to "update" it with the proper tracking number.
And..it's DHL, not Fedex :p
btw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
Speaking of which...
Here's my first ever custom build, which I figured zealios would be perfect for. I finally got the TMK stuff to work!
(Please excuse the crappy pics.....)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/wkeUBry.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/SFXVzly.jpg)Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/78Sznot.jpg)
Right now I'm just using kraps from SP. Apologies to JDC for stealing the layout ;)
My switches and lube package came in today. Was expecting it tomorrow so I soldered up my JANE already with old/vintage ergo clears. Ooh well. There's always the next board for the zeals!You ordered the lube and you got it today?
btw, this is what 150 packed boxes looks likeShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/P85L05W.jpg)
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.
Got my shipping notification!
Have to say Zeal thanks so much for making this buy so easy and straightforward. I came in at the end when all was largely said and done and yet had no issue placing my order and knowing exactly the state of things. I really hope you continue to do more GB's as this was a pleasure to be apart of, despite bearly being apart of it ^^
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
Hi Zeal!
Thanks for the GB. I received my email announcing shipment last week. However the mail did not contain a tracking number nor the link given. If I look at the page the tracking info are empty. Is that normal? Do you mind to look it up, please?
Thank you.
Haha, ok. Silly me. I forgot that I didn't choose a shipping with tracking ... Thanks for clarifying that for me. ;)Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
67g springs on Massdrop will be vastly different from my custom springs. Massdrop's version is based on actuation point, whereas my weighting system (along with other Korean springs) are based on bottom out force.Hi Zeal!
Thanks for the GB. I received my email announcing shipment last week. However the mail did not contain a tracking number nor the link given. If I look at the page the tracking info are empty. Is that normal? Do you mind to look it up, please?
Thank you.
Hi Ngt,
The shipping method you chose [Canada Post Int'l Air - (6-10 Business Days, No Tracking/Insurance)] does not come with tracking. From my experience, it usually delivers within a week for European countries. That's why "N/A" is used, meaning not applicable/not available.
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
You too? It's like the 62g just want to be bought :))
I actually really like the 62g version. I'm happy with the 65g, but the 67g is too heavy for my tastes. I get the "Topre-like" comments, but I'm not a Topre fan anyway, so... To me it seems the 62g does have the most tactility and the smoothess makes them sooooo nice to use. With th 67g it feels like the stronger spring masks a little of the tactility. Glad I bought a few of them to test, though, otherwise it would have bugged me not knowing. They all have good "pop" thanks to the stronger Gateron contact leaf and smoothness.
A Clear slider actually has just a touch more tactility than the stock purple, but the rough surface really lets it down. If you look really closely at both together you can see the tactile bump on the Clear stem is just a touch more prominent and the purple a little less, but they're very, very similar and like I said, the smoothness trumps the bump.
In case anyone thinks I'm being overly critical of these, it's simply that they're so good that you can even notice the small details of the movement and feeling of them.
Got an update re: spring lube. Mkawa will be shipping out the spring lube package by the end of the week, so I should be receiving the package first/second week of November. Once I get those vials in, orders with spring lube will be shipped out asap.Awesome! That means I can get mine soon! :D
You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
Oooo! Get me in on that action! (aka, post pics when it's built, I wanna see!)Looks like a white sprit facew to me (I built a zealio board with one myself.You're the man, Zeal.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/yl05dYm.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/OfPU49X.jpg)
Don't have them on a board yet but so far they're absolutely the best MX-type switch I've ever tried.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/FF1bu8D.jpg)
Almost ready to construct my Zealio 60%...
Ooooo, you're making me drool. What PCB is that?
That's a b.face (http://winkeyless.kr/product/b-face-x2-pcb/). It's got that sweet RGB underlighting.
Just got mine today, realized that I messed up and chose the 62g option for the clear zealio switches rather than the 67g. Oh well, its a good thing that I bought those 67g springs from Massdrop. Thanks so much ZealPC! Now I can properly attempt to restore my "butchered" (read: I suck at unsoldering) Filco TKL board.
You too? It's like the 62g just want to be bought :))
Hehe. 62g is definitely the most popular spring weight for Korean springs in general. Even though 67g springs are seeming to get a ton of love, they still aren't beating out the demand for 62g.
I actually really like the 62g version. I'm happy with the 65g, but the 67g is too heavy for my tastes.
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.And a translucent slider!
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
I'm pretty sure they are gold plated. Pure gold wouldn't make a very good spring, as far as I'm aware.Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
Should have made it clear, I meant gold plated, not pure gold obvI'm pretty sure they are gold plated. Pure gold wouldn't make a very good spring, as far as I'm aware.Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.Support for RGB LED's is big. I think the springs are different as well (as in Zealios have gold springs), but I could be wrong about what Zeal's springs are actually made of.
Quick question what is the different between Zealio linear and gateron red? Other then the clear tops and bottom.
You're out of stock of the 62g variant of the Purple Zealio switches. How long until they're back in stock? I'd like to buy the Zealio Switch Sampler Pack but I want to wait until the 62g variant are included.Zeal said that they will be back in Stock whenever he makes an order for restocking. Could be a while (my guess would be that he'll order more once most of the switches are running low on stock...)
Where can I get the latest and greatest lube for these purple zealios?Zeal's store!
Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
Wow! I bought 65 (sorry zeal) and every one of mine was in great condition.Has anyone looked into why some people are getting switches that actuate above the bump? I thought it was a problem with people who were modding these switches, but I discovered that I have one such switch in my =/+ key. I can barely brush the key and it will actuate. Unfortunately it's in my b.87 so I can't open the switch top to see what's wrong; I'll probably have to desolder the thing to fix it. Is it an issue with the switch leaf? Bent out of shape or something?
I had this issue with a large number of switches. I'm glad it's not just me. I ended up having to desolder and replace some of them several times because many of the new ones I would try were faulty as well. After finally getting 61 working switches in my keyboard, I now have a bin with 32 switches that actuate above the bump.
Rayoui, if you have the time, could you please open one of those switches and see if the slider looks like it should?
Got my order!
They feel very nice, but it seems that QC has to be done by whoever makes the keyboard, one out of a 100 had a weird issue, switch was permanently closed.
If you were to push the slider in a little, it would open, and then close again quickly.
I opened it up and found this (healthy slider in the back for comparison)Show Image(https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/67294255/slider.png)
So, I would recommend to order slightly more than required and test every switch before using them.
Finally got around to lubing my Zealios, went with GHer's thick lube and left in the 67g spring. It feels eerily similar to 45g Topre. This Phantom is now definitely my favorite MX board, it amazes me how obscenely smooth lubed Zealios are. I would say normal zealios are about 85% as smooth as reasonably possible, properly lubed they go to like 95%. There's definitely a noticable difference but it's not a pronounced or substantial one, mostly when striking a key off-center.
Finally got around to lubing my Zealios, went with GHer's thick lube and left in the 67g spring. It feels eerily similar to 45g Topre. This Phantom is now definitely my favorite MX board, it amazes me how obscenely smooth lubed Zealios are. I would say normal zealios are about 85% as smooth as reasonably possible, properly lubed they go to like 95%. There's definitely a noticable difference but it's not a pronounced or substantial one, mostly when striking a key off-center.
It crossed my mind for a brief second for put some stock Cherry MX clear springs into the Zealios since I'm a huge fan of their force curve but decided to ride out 67g for now. Anyone tried Cherry clear springs inside some Zealio's yet?
Hey, just wanted to ask a few questions about lubing the Zealios. I got the thick lube with my order and I'm wondering which parts of the switch did you lube? Like the stems, sliders and springs and all that. I've been experimenting with some of the switches but I just want to know what others think on it.
So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
Huh, I think I was running a touch closer to 600F than you. I did, however, cheat a little bit because I didn't really heat up the pins, I just flowed solder into the holes, so it went extremely quickly.That sounds like that may well be the issue, because at a 10-30% failure rate, I would assume that I would have gotten some broken switches, but I didn't, so that makes me think that it probably is due to the heat of the iron (I have a makerspace near me, and I used their really nice temperature adjustable iron, so I was running pretty low heat.)So I brought my Phantom with Zealios in to work to use today and I'm having some serious issues with it. At least 8 of the 86 switches activate early (before the tactile bump) and are causing keys presses to double-register non-stop. Has anyone figured out a fix for this? Swap out to a different stem? Replace the switch?
I have to admit, I'm less than impressed by the shear number of my switches having this issue. If it were only 1 or even 2 I wouldn't have even said anything, but when you're getting close to a 10% failure rate that is a sincere problem.
I'm not sure of a fix but many of my switches had the same issue. I took apart a few of the ones I removed and noticed that the contacts on the leaf sit very close together with the slider in its up position where there should be a clear separation between the contacts. Strangely enough, none of the new, unused switches I have exhibit this problem at all (verified with multimeter).
I also noticed that the bottom of the switch housing where the pins pass through have markings where the plastic appears to have melted slightly around the pins. If this is the case, the portions of the housing holding the leaf in place could be heating up enough to shift slightly during soldering causing the resting position of the leaf to change.
I know Cherry uses PBT plastic in their housings which is very resistant to heat. I'm not sure what kind of plastic is used in these clear housings.
I used a fairly hot iron when I soldered the switches (it wasn't adjustable) and I ended up with 32 malfunctioning switches. I haven't tried it yet, but using a lower temperature on the iron might help.
I used a nice Weller WES50 set at 550F which is where I've had it set for every other switch I've ever installed and never had this issue, Gateron or Cherry. Not saying that's not the issue, but if it is there should be a huge disclaimer about the extra heat sensitivity when installing these.
with almost a third of your switches having issues, 10% of another user's switches with issues, and only one out of 100 of my switches with issues, I'm inclined to think the soldering method is the key. I even opened all of my Zealios up to put SIP sockets in and I still only see problems with one switch.I also did SIP sockets, and I haven't had a single issue with the switches.
Install with SIP sockets appears to be the way to go with Zealios.
Install with SIP sockets appears to be the way to go with Zealios.
I don't see how SIP sockets could have any affect. I think ika was just noting that he added SIP sockets (thus heating the metal/switch contact points twice) and only had one instance of the problem, in comparison to some people who only soldered the switches once and have encountered the issue much more frequently. However, it sounds plausible to me that whatever the clear plastic is on the switch bottom in just not as heat as the standard switch bottom materials and that a little too much heat can deform it, thereby deforming the switch interior.
I don't see how SIP sockets could have any affect. I think ika was just noting that he added SIP sockets (thus heating the metal/switch contact points twice) and only had one instance of the problem, in comparison to some people who only soldered the switches once and have encountered the issue much more frequently. However, it sounds plausible to me that whatever the clear plastic is on the switch bottom in just not as heat as the standard switch bottom materials and that a little too much heat can deform it, thereby deforming the switch interior.
Makes sense. I'll only be using enough heat to melt the solder, nothing more.
is this an issue with all the different weights? I have yet to put my purple 67's into a board yet...so it'd be nice to pinpoint the problem before I do.I have 67s and I didn't have a single issue with them, at all.
Hi Zeal, Thanks for working to make these the best switches possible. For v2, can you make the PCB mount legs about 0.1 mm narrower? They're still too tight for a PCB I had made using a common MX footprint. I've ordered a new PCB with wider holes to test the fit.Can't make injection moulds smaller, only larger. :x I've tried Gaterons and Zealios on a few PCBs, and it seems like only winkeyless' line of PCBs have a tight PCB hole. Duck, LZ all fit in smoothly. If you feel that the PCB holes are a bit too tight, you can shave one or two of the "micro-fins" down for a snug fit.
I can see my right Ctrl key is activating too high, but it's not showing up as red on EK's program. Just by giving the top of the keycap a light tap a few times I was able to get it to log this repeatedly:
51:56.0790 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) DOWN
51:56.0794 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 5ms
It ranges between 5ms and 64ms each tap. The best way to identify these is to just kinda tap your fingers against the top of the cap a few times, the maybe-defective ones actuate like MX Red's with a 10g spring :p
I could only spend a few minutes on this during lunch and I did find a few switches that had a malformed stem like the one someone pictured above. However, those switches operate just fine and feel fine. So far the switches with major chattering are all melted a bit at the pins.
My zealios fit in my sprit facew pcb just fine. I'm thinking I might grab a nerd pcd and see what desoldering does to the switches.Hi Zeal, Thanks for working to make these the best switches possible. For v2, can you make the PCB mount legs about 0.1 mm narrower? They're still too tight for a PCB I had made using a common MX footprint. I've ordered a new PCB with wider holes to test the fit.Can't make injection moulds smaller, only larger. :x I've tried Gaterons and Zealios on a few PCBs, and it seems like only winkeyless' line of PCBs have a tight PCB hole. Duck, LZ all fit in smoothly. If you feel that the PCB holes are a bit too tight, you can shave one or two of the "micro-fins" down for a snug fit.I can see my right Ctrl key is activating too high, but it's not showing up as red on EK's program. Just by giving the top of the keycap a light tap a few times I was able to get it to log this repeatedly:
51:56.0790 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) DOWN
51:56.0794 RCtrl (0x11, BIOS 0xE01D) UP -> 5ms
It ranges between 5ms and 64ms each tap. The best way to identify these is to just kinda tap your fingers against the top of the cap a few times, the maybe-defective ones actuate like MX Red's with a 10g spring
I just tried again, the shortest I was able to get was 15ms, but that was me tapping into the top of the tactile bump and letting go. Everything else for a full travel was around 30-60ms avg.I could only spend a few minutes on this during lunch and I did find a few switches that had a malformed stem like the one someone pictured above. However, those switches operate just fine and feel fine. So far the switches with major chattering are all melted a bit at the pins.
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Hey zeal,That's interesting. I've yanked a few with nothing but a paper clip I bent with a Leatherman, and my switches are all looking like new.
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
That's interesting. I've used the Topre keypuller to pull Zealios out of a plate+PCB and have not had such issues (wiggle+pull). I'll try again later in the afternoon. Please provide some pictures if possible.
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Hey zeal,
http://www.gonskeyboardworks.com/others/135-cherry-switch-puller.html
I noticed that when I use this tool(modded to gons specifications) to pull switches out of a plate that it cracks the front area of the switch top(where the led is fed through). Normally cherry mx tops and cherry mx switches with gateron clear switch tops are tough enough to withstand being pulled that way. I'm not sure if it's a result of the material in the switch top or the snugness of the switch to the pcb but I thought I'd let you know.
That's interesting. I've used the Topre keypuller to pull Zealios out of a plate+PCB and have not had such issues (wiggle+pull). I'll try again later in the afternoon. Please provide some pictures if possible.
What happens is it pushes the tabs in and lifts purely from the switch top. I'll get you a pic when i can.
Edit::Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/MBOcWgv.jpg?1)
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
I'll take some pics when I get home. I tried to take some real quick before I went back to work but it didn't show up well.
I assume you have a large quantity of 65g tactile on hand ready to ship? I may just end up replacing these 62g (some of which I melted) with 65g.
A quick way to test the heat sensitivity theory is to fire up your iron to heat, apply tip to leg of one sacrificial Zealio, and see how long it takes before it gets all melty and junk. +100 bonus points if you record it with a fancy schmancy macro lens so we can all clearly see what the ****s going on, and how long one Zealio can stand the heat before it has to get out of the kitchen
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.I only have 67, but the bump feels massive to me.
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
Ah, that makes sense. I read the reviews but obviously forgot.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
This was my experience with the standard Cherry switches also. Increasing the spring weight on the clear and brown (tactile) switches lessens the feeling of the bump. Lighter springs had the opposite effect. More finger pressure to activate but same pressure required to overcome the bump, means you feel less of the bump is my guess.
Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
I'd get 65g Zealios and, if you want to change them later, 67g springs. I much prefer the 65g as I feel the bump more.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Hey Zeal! I'm about to buy a bunch of switches for a WKL board, but I'm not sure if I should get 65g or 67g switches. Apparently those 2g make a huge difference, because people keep talking about how the bump is longer on the 65g switches, etc. I'm having so much trouble deciding that I think I'll just get hybrid - 67g alphas with 65g modifiers. I'm going for what's most like ergo-clears, and from what I've heard, 67g switches are most like those. That said, I still want to try 65g's and I think having lighter modifiers is more ergonomic/less strain-ful? In your opinion, is there much of a difference and is this a good idea or should I choose one type? Thank's so much! (I honestly don't think I would be able to tell the difference between the switches and I guess worst case, I can change out springs...)
I'd get 65g Zealios and, if you want to change them later, 67g springs. I much prefer the 65g as I feel the bump more.Is it me, or does the bump in the 65g feel more apparent than the 67g purple? I have both, and I prefer the 65g one as I feel the bump more.
The bump from the 65g feels longer than 67g for some reason. It was noted in the reviews. I think it's just the slightly stiffer spring that causes the shorter bump on 67gs.
Hey Zeal! I'm about to buy a bunch of switches for a WKL board, but I'm not sure if I should get 65g or 67g switches. Apparently those 2g make a huge difference, because people keep talking about how the bump is longer on the 65g switches, etc. I'm having so much trouble deciding that I think I'll just get hybrid - 67g alphas with 65g modifiers. I'm going for what's most like ergo-clears, and from what I've heard, 67g switches are most like those. That said, I still want to try 65g's and I think having lighter modifiers is more ergonomic/less strain-ful? In your opinion, is there much of a difference and is this a good idea or should I choose one type? Thank's so much! (I honestly don't think I would be able to tell the difference between the switches and I guess worst case, I can change out springs...)
Please provide some pictures if possible. I'll be collecting pictures to submit to Gateron. I'd also like to see how deformed the bottom housings were.
Left is a new, unused Zealio. Right is one I desoldered exhibiting the "melty" housing around the pins.
I tested some unused switches with a multimeter and none of them seem to have the chattering issue. I think the housing is shifting just slightly enough around the pins to allow the leaf to shift so that the contacts are sitting too close together.Show Image(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5800/22718147712_ccf76948f0_o.jpg)
aw, im new at GH and im just now realize this awesome switch...
i want to ask is there a plan for this round 2 GB? hhe..
aw, im new at GH and im just now realize this awesome switch...There are plenty of 65g and 67g switches in stock as far as I know. Unless 62g are the only ones you want.
i want to ask is there a plan for this round 2 GB? hhe..
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Might have to talk to Zeal nicely for that one ;)
Pretty sure Zeal is taking feedback, improving the switches and then possibly having a round two with improved switches.
That's the impression I got from previous comments from him, feel free to correct me :)
wow this is a great..
improved an improved switch. how much it will improved :cool:
i hope for clicky switch next round :p
Might have to talk to Zeal nicely for that one ;)
hahaha zeal will probably see it. my dreammmmssss xD
but im sure i will get a purple ones when my wallet ready.
this november too much good stuff my wallet already hacked too much xD
Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
But it appears to require some re-thinking in the plastics blend to be functional, even if the look suffers a little.
The clear housing was a huge selling point of the switches.Now I need to buy a new iron, I don't want to mess up my zealios switch with my first price iron :-[
I would replace the bottoms with translucent ones before soldering, instead.
But it appears to require some re-thinking in the plastics blend to be functional, even if the look suffers a little.
I had a 1% failure rate in my switches. Plently of others have had none. It's a function of soldering skill as well.
Waiting on zealios 67g and they're going on an infinity ergodox.
Looking like I'm going to drop my Hakko down to 550f or so?
Using kester 60/40 .8mm
WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW
THIS IS ONE REVOLUTIONARY PRODUCT
gold plated spring, clear case, smoother switch stem, is this dream?
finally have free time to browse around GH and im immediately attracted to this thread!
GJ Zeal!
I am more interested about the part of the 4 pin RGB LED option for the switch.
As I recently planned to build a board for one of my friend, and I am kind of out of touch...
Are the any current PCBs which are capable to handle these LED?
I'm definitely gonna use them as highest level parts for my projects!
BTW, here's a crosspost of my Viper built with 65g lubed Zealios.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/48F83a8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/LEmZ8vL.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/zRoUQhQ.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/oCUb1Xd.jpg)
Typing video @~100wpm (lower sound until no white noise -- that's how it sounds irl, super quiet:
Sound only (more accurate, camera in front of spacebar)
Waiting on zealios 67g and they're going on an infinity ergodox.
Looking like I'm going to drop my Hakko down to 550f or so?
Using kester 60/40 .8mm
I used 650F on my 951sxe with a medium fat (around 4mm) chisel tip. Kester 44 63/37 0.021"/0.53mm solder. Did not have any issues with my Viper. You need to find the sweet spot where your iron is hot enough to melt the solder effectively, but not on the pins/traces for too long enough to spread the heat too far. Too low of a temp and you're heating pads/pins for too long, too hot and the pad isn't fully heated.
Suggestion for round 2, don't know if it's feasible, but ..
preinstalled SIP sockets as an option would be spectacular.
also, is every recommended part of the switch lubed or just the springs? specifically the slider or bottom of switch housing?
I've got some stickered ergoclears that feel much smoother on bottom out.
anyone try stickering these to see if it helps with the switch wobble?
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Sorry if this was already mentioned, but which version of the purple zealios did you use?
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Yep. I kept up with the thread and was hoping that by keeping the time my soldering iron made contact with the pin and joint to an absolute minimum it would cut down on the chances of any "melting". The switches that did have issues had some deformation at the base where the pins protrude. Obviously with the switches that didn't have any issues I can't say because those weren't pulled.
Contemplating a gaming build with some liners next month. Anyone have some opinions of the Zealio liners over clear Gaterons with spring mods?
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?Finished up soldering my zealios. I alloted 90 switches for my 86-key orion v2 with three having a chattering issue/actuating above the tactile bump after soldering and one switch top breaking as I mentioned earlier in the thread. Glad I just made it!
My next 90 will be reserved for the MIRA whenever it decides to happen.
You got a lower percentage of chattering units than others, did you have some special care while soldering?
Yep. I kept up with the thread and was hoping that by keeping the time my soldering iron made contact with the pin and joint to an absolute minimum it would cut down on the chances of any "melting". The switches that did have issues had some deformation at the base where the pins protrude. Obviously with the switches that didn't have any issues I can't say because those weren't pulled.
Do you have pictures of the deformations you reported? Could those be seen at simple sight?
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?
I also finished soldering my switches tonight. Had only 1 switch that just didn't work, but it wasn't the activation above bump issue or the chattering issue that folks have been talking about. It just didn't register anything at all.
No special care taken on the soldering, mostly out of inexperience - I learned to solder literally this morning so I don't think it was probably especially well done. I also had to desolder about 6 switches because of my messups, and none of those switches ended up having issues either. I used a Weller WTS100 at max heat. Probably just got lucky with an especially problem-free batch!
This is very interesting, that makes the melting theory a little bit weaker.
My first impressions on the 67g tactile switches is generally very positive. I didn't like their feel with SA caps, but swapping over to a GMK set made the clickiness come alive. Very nice bounce to the keys - feels really crisp and enjoyable to type on. Like em even more than the ergo-clears on my GON, and that's saying something.
Could this may be related with the weight of the caps?
Re: the heat thing: sounds right. I mean, I don't know if my iron was that hot, even at max heat - it's one of the lower-end Weller and the less-than-max settings were barely melting the solder (standard 60/40 rosin). I dunno, maybe the solder job is better than I think, but I doubt it. It does seem weird to me that something like heat transfer / melting point of the switch case bottom would be inconsistent set-to-set - since it's a property of the material seems like that wouldn't change much. But I'm far from an expert on the materials side of things.
Re: the feel of SA: I think it's partly the key weight and partly the fact that these seem to have just a bit more side-to-side travel than standard Cherry MX. I haven't had Gateron before so not sure how they compare. But I felt like keys were traveling in not-purely-up-and-down directions a bit more often than I'm used to, and that's a lot more noticeable / unpleasant with the taller SA keys.
I will say that after slightly more extended use tonight, I'm really starting to love the clear housing, especially w/ having these on a WKL board with RGB bottom LEDs. It's a nice subtle glow around the key bottoms that almost completely eliminates the urge for in-switch LEDs for me, at least in this build. I do hope we eventually see some custom PCBs allowing for in-switch RGB to take advantage of that neat future-proofing of the Zealios.
I really do hope that when I get my SA keycaps that my 67g switches feel ok :-XIt sounds like the issue is the side-to-side travel, I'd try out Oobly's copper tape mod if I were you.
I really do hope that when I get my SA keycaps that my 67g switches feel ok :-XIt sounds like the issue is the side-to-side travel, I'd try out Oobly's copper tape mod if I were you.
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?
I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing.
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Thank you very much for the suggestion for fixing the chattering issue bro. Do you have a success rate for the mod?I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing.
I'd say 100%
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Yep :(
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Stabs?
Yep :(
What PCB is that?
Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
To that end, there were some stab inserts that screw into the pcb, which I'm going to use with Mira and the gold bars. Hopefully that will completely eliminate the issue. (zealios are going into that board too!!!)
Edit: that's the same plate I used! So yeah... For pressing the space bar stab in, I used the ifixit pro toolkit's wide tipped straight tweezers, but the two sides had come apart, so it's basically a very very thin flathead screwdriver.
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-light bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
Dang. Well, maybe I just won't swap my space bar once I put it on (I got a titanium one, so I doubt that it will get switched out frequently, because it's pretty cool.)Since you haven't put the switches in yet, you can still work most of them in there if you're careful. That Spacebar is going to get weird since it doesn't have the slot for the wire like a non-universal plate would have for plate-mount stabs. You could try sliding the wire into the stabs after they're attached, but since the FaceW has the Spacebar wire towards the Alphas, it may not be a piece of cake...I can confirm that getting the space bar stab in there after the plate is on is a complete pain in the butt. My stab wire kept coming out of the stabs when I took the space bar out, and I've had to get it back in there 5 or 6 times. It takes more pressure than I really want to put on that stuff, but my switches were already soldered after I thought I had fixed the problem or I would have pulled the pcb off again (already did that twice...)
To that end, there were some stab inserts that screw into the pcb, which I'm going to use with Mira and the gold bars. Hopefully that will completely eliminate the issue. (zealios are going into that board too!!!)
Edit: that's the same plate I used! So yeah... For pressing the space bar stab in, I used the ifixit pro toolkit's wide tipped straight tweezers, but the two sides had come apart, so it's basically a very very thin flathead screwdriver.
Sorry to be the bearer of bad news here, but screw-in stabs won't help. :( I use them on my Octagon and Lightpad and Gateron blanks and cherry OG, both incredibly tight-fitting on the stabs, can indeed still force the stab dummies out of their positions and cause the wire to pop out. I feel your pain though, as I had to go through it a few times, even desoldering a switch or two to get it back in there (with SIP sockets that were recessed into the PCB holes! GOD IS IT TERRIBLE TO DESOLDER THOSE UNLESS YOU HAVE CHIPQUIK, even with a vacuum-powered desoldering gun).
I'd recommend using wax carving tools (they look like dental picks) to shimmy the wires back into the stab clips. It's how I've done it. The issue is not so much with how the stabs are mounted (PCB/Plate/PCB screw-in) to the board but with how the mx mount dummies can pop out of position. It sucks, but yeah.
@W_hinklebottom.I'm pretty sure the plate is one of the ones that leandre had on his shop.
That is a really cool board, what PCB/Plate are you using?
@W_hinklebottom.
That is a really cool board, what PCB/Plate are you using?
I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
@Zeal, I personally don't care at all about the fact these switches are clear (I'm in it for the lack of annoying mods needed). Do you have any thoughts on offering a more "true" Cherry approximation that uses the original materials? I really like the way the switches feel, I just don't like how narrow the processing window is for soldering.I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
If this plate accepts plate-mount stabs and you haven't already desoldered, and you really don't want to desolder, I'd be happy to send you some plate-mount stabs.
... a possible way to prevent this issue is to solder them "from the inside". What I mean is that you press the soldering iron to the inside edge of the pin (the side towards the bottom of the switch) when soldering it instead of the outside (side towards the top) for that pin.
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
@Zeal, I personally don't care at all about the fact these switches are clear (I'm in it for the lack of annoying mods needed). Do you have any thoughts on offering a more "true" Cherry approximation that uses the original materials? I really like the way the switches feel, I just don't like how narrow the processing window is for soldering.I just thought about choosing an other weight for the mods on my Zealio board. Then I noticed something... :-XMoreShow Image(http://abload.de/img/dsc_0075q2spi.jpg)
If this plate accepts plate-mount stabs and you haven't already desoldered, and you really don't want to desolder, I'd be happy to send you some plate-mount stabs.... a possible way to prevent this issue is to solder them "from the inside". What I mean is that you press the soldering iron to the inside edge of the pin (the side towards the bottom of the switch) when soldering it instead of the outside (side towards the top) for that pin.
Worth a try? Could even try to "fix" a chattering switch by reflowing with a bit of pressure and holding it long enough to soften the plastic.
I'd suggest using Cherry switch bottoms, but they will add a little just a little scratchiness to the slider movement. Prevents the slightly rough bottom out and the melting issue, though.
Would someone try to find the relation between strict's fix and the melting theory? Someone has tested the switches before soldering and found some casualties after it, that still point to some issues with the melting point of the switch's bottom.
I could do that when I got my switches, but, I am not sure how long that may take.
Would someone try to find the relation between strict's fix and the melting theory? Someone has tested the switches before soldering and found some casualties after it, that still point to some issues with the melting point of the switch's bottom.
I could do that when I got my switches, but, I am not sure how long that may take.
My theory is that putting a little lateral pressure on the switch contact while heating the solder/pin (and subsequently melting the bottom of the switch a bit with the solder that flows down into the hole) causes the leaf inside to shift a bit towards the top (away from the center of the switch). Strict's fix pushes the leaf just that little bit back toward the center.
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Speaking of bad technique I did something a little bit different but my goal was the same as yours. I tinned my tip with excess solder hoping that the heat stored in the solder would transfer quickly once contact was made with the joint and adding a little bit of solder to essentially flood it. The joint looked similar to the others but who knows on the other side of the pcb? It's been used for the past two or three days now with no issues.
Maybe that's why I didn't have any issues. I was using flux goop.Just assembled another board with Zealios last night.
Re: Soldering temp concerns with the switches
There is definitely something going on with the soldering process, and I believe it has to be heat. I tested all my switches with a multimeter before assembling and they were fine. After assembly, four switches chattered. I desoldered them and installed new switches, just barely "kissing" them with heat and solder, and it worked fine. This is not ideal from a soldering-quality perspective, which kinda bums me out, but it's what I had to do to make the board work. :-/
Just sharing my story to add to the list of feedback. :thumb:
Speaking of bad technique I did something a little bit different but my goal was the same as yours. I tinned my tip with excess solder hoping that the heat stored in the solder would transfer quickly once contact was made with the joint and adding a little bit of solder to essentially flood it. The joint looked similar to the others but who knows on the other side of the pcb? It's been used for the past two or three days now with no issues.
You could probably make that easier by throwing some flux down in there before tip touching. I've seen this technique used for SMD soldering alongside tacky flux goop.
Whoo Hoo! These things look almost too good to put caps on! Thanks ZealNow we need purple stabilizersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xYZr9zR.jpg)
Whoo Hoo! These things look almost too good to put caps on! Thanks ZealNow we need purple stabilizersShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/xYZr9zR.jpg)
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I think I was close to 700F, and that let me solder quickly, which may have had less heat bleed, and made it so none of mine melted.Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
OK well then it's clearly not a matter of skill. I'm glad mine are still in the bag so I can learn from others' experiences.Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching to an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
I've been soldering since I was 12 including hundreds of Playstation and Xbox mod chips (DMS and Xecuter) very successfully. I've installed thousands of Cherry and Gaterons switches at this point and never had a bit of trouble with any of them until the Zealios. I soldered mine on a relatively low temp (575F) and didn't keep the iron on the legs for anything even approaching an exorbitant amount of time but still had 12 switches on my Phantom chattering.
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
Are people overdoing it with the solder? I can't imagine using enough heat to cause melting like this, although all my Zealios are still sitting in the bag. But I know my iron very well and always try to use as little heat as possible.
Matias switches are clear and I've never had problems but I'm not sure if it's the same kind of plastic.
I won't claim to never make mistakes (I wish :)) ), but I've been soldering for well over 10 years and never had this issue. I've worked to get my soldering technique up to par and try to avoid cold joints, so I apply a bit of heat, but never to the point that I'd be concerned about applying too much.
I don't feel comfortable with the technique many are suggesting of applying "just enough heat to melt the solder", because that won't give the best transfer of heat to the pad, which is important for a good joint.
But I'm just a hobbyist, so if any professionals can weigh in that'd be nice. Maybe I've been going about it wrong and didn't realize it. :)
Been using my 67g purple Zealio build for a week now, I had no issues with chattering or actuating to high. When I read these comments I even went to test with Switch Hitter, but it confirmed that all is normal. I soldered my build with my Aoyue on 400C with a 1,6mm chisel tip and I had to desolder 2 keys to reseat the spacebar stabiliser wire which had come loose, but those keys are fine as well. All switches have had a sip sockets installed. Super happy with the switches, I was afraid they were going to be too light as I'm coming off of mx clears but they're really comfortable.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/1hy7AcW.jpg)
Got my pack of 67g Zealios today! Modded my KBParadise v60 with TEX acrylic case and a plate from LeandreN.
It took me a while to realize what these switches were reminding me of though. I'm fairly certain that they are super-close in tactility to Matias Click switches, except they don't click (duh). I'm curious to try lighter versions, as I used to be a huge fan of Matias Quiet Click switches and as far as I remember those were slightly lighter in feel than their noisy counterparts.
Zeal, quick question I saw your not above regarding orders with lube, what about the orders with cables? Will those be going out in a similar time frame?
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Welp, mye keyboard went haywire are 3 days of use. Keystrokes intermittently dont register, keystrokes appearing after an 8 second lag, weird voodoo stuff like that.
Maybe i have some cold joints. Well the bright side is, i'll be de/resoldering all the connections soon, so we'll see if any chattering develops.
The springs Zeal is selling are copy products made in China, Not from me. They are pirate copies from my old version, sorry for that.
I will post soon again. Thanks! ;)
The springs Zeal is selling are copy products made in China, Not from me. They are pirate copies from my old version, sorry for that.
I will post soon again. Thanks! ;)
Ouch.
Got my zealios at the same day some SPRiT springs arrived. So why not post here? :))
Although they appear to have the same weight, their "construction" is indeed very different. Yet, couldnt feel any difference, even between the 62g and 65g. Maybe my fingers are broken. :D
By order: Cherry MX clear, Zeal 65g, Sprit 62g gold plated, Sprit 65g "regular"
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I don't know why he's so salty about me having 62g/65g/67g springs in Zealios by default. My springs aren't even being sold separately as there's no point anymore, and coil wise they're all different from his offerings.
I don't know why he's so salty about me having 62g/65g/67g springs in Zealios by default. My springs aren't even being sold separately as there's no point anymore, and coil wise they're all different from his offerings.
Probably because you're taking away customers from him, even though it's not like he was shipping out peoples orders anyways.
Received my Zealios on 29th Oct. Could not for the life of me desoldering these darn 4 pin LEDs.
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Bought flux, Wick, new solder, ever damn thing, didn't work..
Until now!
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I had to use this, and align it vertically or there'd be some solder left in the hole.
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Can't wait til I have time for the whole board!
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
I've soldered loads of Cherry MX switches before, this is the first time ever I encounter this problem. I soldered with 300 degrees C.
What do?
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
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107 switches. Exactly enough for a blackwidow te and an orbweaver.
Two days, a total of about 5 hours in, and this is all I've accomplished on this keyboard:
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That's like, three switches an hour. Also, it looks like the plate is actually soldered to the pcb.
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107 switches. Exactly enough for a blackwidow te and an orbweaver.
Two days, a total of about 5 hours in, and this is all I've accomplished on this keyboard:
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That's like, three switches an hour. Also, it looks like the plate is actually soldered to the pcb.
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I had similar....fun.
First 1-2 hour session: 0 switches desoldered.
Second session: 0 switches desoldered
Third session: 1 switch desoldered
Fourth session: 6 switches desoldered
Fifth session: 8
Sixth: 12
...
Hopefully I'll finish sometime before the end of next week.
No chattering so far!
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
I totally forgot about the possibility of getting a Binge cap. I got my package on Wednesday, and no Binge was to be found. That is okay though, I forgot to be disappointed! Also, my cable that I ordered with my switches is completely fantastic.Still waiting anxiously for the Zealios. My order contained lube so I can understand it being in the last batch.nope.
Just curious, have all 10 of the Bingecap winners shown? You never know...
I've pretty much shipped everyone's order, people with spring lube should have received notification last night/this morning. I have about 3 or so orders left with cables that I'll try to finish up today. Thanks for everyone's patience and understanding.
@ideus, your order was shipped out on Oct 25. Let me know if you haven't received it by the end of the month.
hope there will be a 2nd round. $0.75 per switch is really a good deal.
i really want it, but 200$ for 200 switch i cant afford it :(
So the chattering issues mentioned here appeared only after soldering? Or would it still be wise to check every switch before soldering?
I put together my Orion v2 yesterday, used the 65g Zealio switches and I did not have a problem with a single switch. I kept my soldering iron on 290 C and made sure just to get the it hot enough for the solder to flow in the switch post holes.
I put together my Orion v2 yesterday, used the 65g Zealio switches and I did not have a problem with a single switch. I kept my soldering iron on 290 C and made sure just to get the it hot enough for the solder to flow in the switch post holes.
What did you think of the switches I sent you?
Anyone build a board with 65g alphas and 67g mods? Getting a 60 for some unique layout love and thinking that this might be an equally cool experience. Just wondering if it is worth grabbing maybe 30 or so more Zealios. Thanks again.
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
I have a real dilemma now. I bought a perplz plate from LeandreN, but i also have GMK QMX dampeners coming, and they don't go with plates. What to do...
Has anyone tried QMX dampeners with these switches?
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
What type of soldering iron are you using? If you're using some cheapo without temp regulation that actually might be helping keep you from melting the base as it wouldn't be capable of holding a consistent temperature. The downside is sloppy soldering and cold joints.
I've now done a second board with Zealios (65g this time, rather than the 67g of the first) and again have 0 problem keys. To be honest, the soldering is even worse this time - I somehow got worse at it, and I'd be ashamed if anyone else saw the bottom of this PCB.* It makes me really doubt that soldering is at issue unless people are jamming the iron all the way down under the pad and somehow touching the switch bottom, or at putting on so much solder that it's dripping through the hole and melting the area around the pin. Are the chattering keys showing up for people with PCB builds, or handwire? I could see a handwire build going a bit more awry heat-wise, but I've never done one so not sure.
Impressions - the 65g feel much closer to ergo clears than the 67g do. It's amazing that 2g of resistance can make this much difference. I think I overall prefer the 67g - they feel much snappier, there's a really nice bounceback after the keypress which is missing to some small degree in the 65g (though it's still present, just a bit less). I prefer heavier switches in general though so YMMV. The 67g are also a more "unique" switch to me - again, the 65g are pretty close to ergos to me, while the 67g don't feel like any other switch I've tried (including Topre, though I understand the comparison now). Hopefully the 62g tactile come back with round 2 so I can be financially irresponsible enough to build a 3rd Zealios board!
* A fully transparent case was a bad choice in this regard, as cool as it looks otherwise.
What type of soldering iron are you using? If you're using some cheapo without temp regulation that actually might be helping keep you from melting the base as it wouldn't be capable of holding a consistent temperature. The downside is sloppy soldering and cold joints.
Could be. It's a Weller WLC100, which runs about $40 on Amazon. It does have temp control but I've felt like anything below the highest setting is too low to melt the solder quick enough for my tastes. Does burn pretty hot especially after tinning - and I tin probably more than I need to given my noob-ness - but no idea to what extent the temps are dropping while on the pin. Why I say my soldering sucks is usually the opposite problem, really - I'm melting the solder pretty quickly and usually ending up with beading, but it doesn't look like a cold joint (from what I've seen). Most of my joints look like the furthest-to-the-right image in this pic: https://learn.adafruit.com/system/assets/assets/000/001/978/original/tools_Header_Joints.jpg?1396777967
I've found that any amount of heat required to flow the solder against the pins causes the base to start melting. The issues comes in when as others have mentioned... you apply pressure to the pin causing the leaf to move out of position. If you melt the base enough then it'll just move on it's own due to the pressure from the contact.
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
Sorry I missed this until now.. If you haven't solved the problem yet, here is how I did it, I don't really have photos though. If I understand what you're saying, you had trouble reaching the front of the switch leaf in order to pull it back towards the plastic stem, correct? You are only able to reach the back side of the switch leaf and push it away from the stem, which does not solve this problem.
If that's the case, you may need something thinner than what you are using.. I have a thin jewelers screwdriver which I used to get in there and get in front of the switch leaf and pull it back towards the plastic stem. Its quite deep in there but I have solved all my keys 100% and I am loving these switches now.
Sorry I missed this until now.. If you haven't solved the problem yet, here is how I did it, I don't really have photos though. If I understand what you're saying, you had trouble reaching the front of the switch leaf in order to pull it back towards the plastic stem, correct? You are only able to reach the back side of the switch leaf and push it away from the stem, which does not solve this problem.
If that's the case, you may need something thinner than what you are using.. I have a thin jewelers screwdriver which I used to get in there and get in front of the switch leaf and pull it back towards the plastic stem. Its quite deep in there but I have solved all my keys 100% and I am loving these switches now.
Were you pulling the small contact (the one closer to the middle) or the bent leaf itself?
You guys know you can solder without so much as touching copper, right? Put the solder between the tip and the contact.
My order for Zealios has arrived, they were soldered in my new GON and there was no chattering, at all. I had no special precautions, I just use the same basic procedure with the same cheapo soldering station.
My order for Zealios has arrived, they were soldered in my new GON and there was no chattering, at all. I had no special precautions, I just use the same basic procedure with the same cheapo soldering station.
There's always the chance that your soldering iron just couldn't get up to the temperature required to damage the zealios. Glad to hear you had no problems though! How are you enjoying the switches?
Wish there was a 66g option :)
Depending on how you soldered them in, not necessarily. I need to get some better measurements made [under a microscope], but the physical difference between a chattering switch and a clean one is as little as 0.01mm, +/- 0.00025mm.
If this theory is right, this problem cannot be seen in linear switches; it will only present on tactiles, and even then, only on some tactiles. The tolerences here are small enough that hamfisted soldering could introduce it - or just pressure at the right angle on the leg of the stationary contact. But it can - and does - present these symptoms on never-soldered switches...
I gave Zeal a heads-up with the core details already, but I need some better measurements before I'm comfortable posting everything. I'm hoping to have a full write-up late this weekend.
(Also, hi, finally got off my arse and registered an account instead of lurking.)
I need to order more 67g switches. Bought another keyboard I want expecting.
I need to order more 67g switches. Bought another keyboard I want expecting.
It's comforting to know I'm not the only one, hahaha.
I'm having no issues with my 62g linears. Thanks Zeal :DShow Image(http://i.imgur.com/SXcKr9J.png)
Aww yeah, good to see another linear junkie!
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.I have also fixed 9 keys this way. One was stubborn but it worked eventually.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)
To clarify, I'm using 'precision screwdrivers' such as you'd use on a watch or on the arms of your glasses. They're tiny and cheap. Push the stem down with one of the larger screwdrivers, then using the smallest flat head you've got in the set, push the clear plastic under the word 'Gateron' forward. As you do this, the thicker of the two pieces of copper should become visible. Push the screwdriver down a bit further, inserting it between the plastic and the copper. Tweak the copper towards yourself (assuming the word Gateron is the right way up!). Some will require a bit more pushing than others.Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
So I'm pretty confident I found a very painless fix for the key chattering issue. You need to take a flat jewelers screwdriver and ever-so-lightly bend the inner-most contact toward the center post of the housing. When you are tweaking the contact, you just need to give it 3 or 4 light pushes in the direction of the center post. You should NOT feel like you're bending anything and it should NOT look like you've bent it once you're done if you did it right. The tolerances here are incredibly tight so you just need a very fine adjustment and that should fix it. I was able to fix all 12 of the chattering switches on my Phantom doing this and I didn't have to solder/desolder a single thing. From my testing this does not alter the feel or performance of the switch in any way other than fixing the chattering and early actuation.I have also fixed 9 keys this way. One was stubborn but it worked eventually.
I drew a very crude diagram to try to help explain my technique. Basically you take the contact highlighted in blue and lightly nudge it a couple of times towards the center post of the housing in red.Show Image(https://i.imgur.com/Fatfy6f.png)To clarify, I'm using 'precision screwdrivers' such as you'd use on a watch or on the arms of your glasses. They're tiny and cheap. Push the stem down with one of the larger screwdrivers, then using the smallest flat head you've got in the set, push the clear plastic under the word 'Gateron' forward. As you do this, the thicker of the two pieces of copper should become visible. Push the screwdriver down a bit further, inserting it between the plastic and the copper. Tweak the copper towards yourself (assuming the word Gateron is the right way up!). Some will require a bit more pushing than others.Just fixed all my chattering keys using the method illustrated above. I noticed the keys that had the issue were ones that the key was engaging when you just tapped the key really lightly, so it occasionally resulted in a double-press when pushed a certain way. This made it easy to diagnose which keys were having the issue as I would tap the key really lightly a few times and see if it would register a click.
I also did not want to desolder my key switches and realized I could reach that contact without removing the key switch and just push the stem down all the way and insert a very thin jewelers screwdriver into the space between the stem and the case and it is just enough room to bend that contact back.. it definitely works 100% for me so far on about 4 switches. Some of the function and lock keys its harder to tell if its chattering.
Thanks guys for all the help in this thread, very useful.
For the record, I soldered at 450 degrees using a small chisel tip.. not sure the measurement.
Can you further detail exactly how you did it through the top? I attempted to do strict's fix using your instructions. From the stem hole I found I was only able to affect the front "half" of leaf bend (the bend facing towards the stem), and wasn't able to do what strict said he did. I tried both pulling and pushing that leaf and couldn't fix the chattering. I did, however, kill the bump a little bit :blank:. Are you levering the switch leaf from the back towards the middle/stem, or pushing it towards the back, away from the stem?
I'm convinced that this does tie into the melting issue. I do not have a variable temperature iron, and I suspect my iron is a bit hotter than some. Having made a really stupid error in building my keyboard I had to do a lot of desoldering and ended up melting quite a few of the switches to one degree or another. It became really apparent that if you put any pressure on the thicker leg of the copper while heating that it can melt the plastic just enough to move. Thankfully I only destroyed one switch completely but I can see how it happens. So here's an extreme example of what I'm talking about.Show Image(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210216e.jpg)Show Image(http://i135.photobucket.com/albums/q128/Zustiur/GeekHack/20151204_210229e.jpg)
This switch is dead, the stem wouldn't even go down at all, but the keys I've fixed had all moved that thicker leg in the same sort of way.
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
Great job, kudos on you desoldering 522 through whole joints...and then soldering them back!
After weeks of attempts, I present: razer chroma feat: zealios!
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No problems with ek switch hitter so far!
Interestingly, it seems that some LEDs affect the others - some LEDs didn't display some colours until I had all the LEDs soldered in.
Wow, excellent use of the 4 pin RGB LEDs. It's a great way to really show what the Zealios were intended for. So awesome. If you could put it in a more low key case, it'd be one of the neatest full-size boards ever. :D
Either way though, it looks fantastic. Kudos to your hard work. :)
This may be the first Razer Chroma board with Zealios :P
Great job, kudos on you desoldering 522 through whole joints...and then soldering them back!
Ugh, I hate desoldering. You are right in saying that is quite an achievement.
Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Awesome! do you have maybe 1 or 2 switches left over of the clicky switches. I checked your website but they are out of stock and would like to try some switches before i purchase 200.Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
Awesome! do you have maybe 1 or 2 switches left over of the clicky switches. I checked your website but they are out of stock and would like to try some switches before i purchase 200.Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
It took me a while to gather everything, but here is my first Zealio build.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gr0FYo8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SFFfVDH.jpg)
I love them.
It took me a while to gather everything, but here is my first Zealio build.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/gr0FYo8.jpg)Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/SFFfVDH.jpg)
I love them.
Looks great! Love the Nerd60 peeking out. What plate and case is that?
Looks great! Love the Nerd60 peeking out.
What plate and case is that?
I could swear there were a few posts about this last night... Did gh roll back again or something?
Haha! That may well be! I totally forget which is which sometimes XD
I could swear there were a few posts about this last night... Did gh roll back again or something?
You may have seen it on Reddit...
Edit: quote syntax typo
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Whoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Sorry can't really provide a source, it was discussed in IRC. Hop in there some time to join in on all the fun. :pWhoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Whoa. I'm so out of the loop. Sauce?Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Zeal, any plans for a second run? :cool:
Very soon^tm
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference.
OK -- finally have had time to put a report together. My apologies for the delays; life is kind of chaotic lately. I'll skip over some of the initial examination (tl;dr: switches are pretty clean in the short timescale) and get straight into the heart of the problem:
Here's the setup: Scope hooked up to a Teensy, probing the switch and the uC output.
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Looking just at the janky setup. Not a snowball's chance I'd do this for work, but these are slow signals with a pretty good voltage swing.
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With one keypress, we can easily see the problem: Early contact - 68ms before the main closure. That's WAY out of spec; there's a 5ms window for bounce; it is supposed to be stable after that point. Yellow trace: Switch. Green Trace: Microcontroller detection.
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Here's a different switch, showing not only an early closure (just over 70ms prior to main switch activation), it also shows a second activation after release. Mind you, these switches are unmodified, unsoldered, straight out of the shipping container. There's not a single controller that would think this is only one keypress. (Ignore the purple trace; it toggled every time through the main loop; I was curious.)
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With the stems at the lowest part of the tactile dip, you can see that the switch on the right (the good switch) is still open, while the switch on the left (the chattering switch) is CLOSED.
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This is what the switch SHOULD look like at this point -- there's a small gap, so it's still an open circuit.
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And here's what a chattering switch looks like:
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That difference is due to two things. First, the length difference between the front of the stationary contact mount and the rear of the slider guide. This accounts for up to 0.002 inches in my switches - smaller is better here:
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Secondly, the slider itself can vary slightly -- there appears to be a range of 0.003 inches in my switches. Bigger is better here:
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... So that's the problem. That's why hamfisted soldering can cause this. That's why you can see this on factory-fresh switches. That's why strict's fix works. And that's why you'll never see this on linear Zealios. :)
(I also put this on imgur so I'd have some time to write things up and try to present it all logically. Some extra photos and setup and fluff at the link: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I )
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Sorry if this question was brought up before, but how do linear Zealios compare with Gateron Black?
Also I was wondering if there's going to be a sale any time soon, wanted to buy or trade for a big pack of those :)
OK -- finally have had time to put a report together. My apologies for the delays; life is kind of chaotic lately. I'll skip over some of the initial examination (tl;dr: switches are pretty clean in the short timescale) and get straight into the heart of the problem:
Here's the setup: Scope hooked up to a Teensy, probing the switch and the uC output.
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Looking just at the janky setup. Not a snowball's chance I'd do this for work, but these are slow signals with a pretty good voltage swing.
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With one keypress, we can easily see the problem: Early contact - 68ms before the main closure. That's WAY out of spec; there's a 5ms window for bounce; it is supposed to be stable after that point. Yellow trace: Switch. Green Trace: Microcontroller detection.
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Here's a different switch, showing not only an early closure (just over 70ms prior to main switch activation), it also shows a second activation after release. Mind you, these switches are unmodified, unsoldered, straight out of the shipping container. There's not a single controller that would think this is only one keypress. (Ignore the purple trace; it toggled every time through the main loop; I was curious.)
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With the stems at the lowest part of the tactile dip, you can see that the switch on the right (the good switch) is still open, while the switch on the left (the chattering switch) is CLOSED.
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This is what the switch SHOULD look like at this point -- there's a small gap, so it's still an open circuit.
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And here's what a chattering switch looks like:
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That difference is due to two things. First, the length difference between the front of the stationary contact mount and the rear of the slider guide. This accounts for up to 0.002 inches in my switches - smaller is better here:
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Secondly, the slider itself can vary slightly -- there appears to be a range of 0.003 inches in my switches. Bigger is better here:
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... So that's the problem. That's why hamfisted soldering can cause this. That's why you can see this on factory-fresh switches. That's why strict's fix works. And that's why you'll never see this on linear Zealios. :)
(I also put this on imgur so I'd have some time to write things up and try to present it all logically. Some extra photos and setup and fluff at the link: http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I (http://imgur.com/a/dLD6I) )
Nice job man; why some switches do not show any early triggering? What is the manufacturing difference between the samples you analyzed and the others that do not have any issue?I'm not entirely certain I'm answering your question, but it appears to be a combined effect resulting from miniscule (0.003in -- well below manufacturing tolerance) size differences in the stem and switch base. I couldn't tell you where those differences come from, but since it all appears to be in the plastic components, a semi-educated guess would be differing rates of post-injection shrinkage or different physical dies. I don't know enough about injection molding to give a better answer. :(
So what do you recommend we do to resolve or avoid the issue? Opening every switch and investigating sounds extremely tedious, but if it's the only option I'd like to know.Honestly? Practice good soldering technique (to avoid any issues resulting from melting the plastic) and don't worry about it unless you notice a switch chattering. If you do notice one, pop the top off and apply strict's fix -- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515)
Cheers to all, and have a Happy New Year everyone!Thank you, Zeal. I really appreciate all the work you've put into these things, and I'm truly hoping that I've been able to help. :)
So what do you recommend we do to resolve or avoid the issue? Opening every switch and investigating sounds extremely tedious, but if it's the only option I'd like to know.Honestly? Practice good soldering technique (to avoid any issues resulting from melting the plastic) and don't worry about it unless you notice a switch chattering. If you do notice one, pop the top off and apply strict's fix -- https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=74807.msg1923515#msg1923515)
@ari, that makes sense, the transparent material should have lower melting point and higher contraction coefficient than the regular translucent one, that Gateron uses in all the other switches, if they use the same molds with different contraction coefficients that may result in out of tolerance parts.
@Zeal, I am sure you are already taking care of it, because that may indicate the need to double check the tolerances of the new molds if they were adjusted for the transparent material, as you mentioned before, you already informed your supplier about the issue.
+/- 0.0508mm is unfortunately under the manufacturing tolerances of the moulds, so it's not currently possible to make any changes in that regard.
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
This :blank:
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Preparing for R2. 4 different shades of purple to differentiate the weights. 65g will remain current colour, the above 3 are new shades of purple. Names? :)
Left: Light Purple
Mid: Purple
Right: Dark Purple
This :blank:
There's 4 purples though. D: 65g will keep the current purple, the above 3 shades are "new" shades. I'm thinking of naming the darkest one indigo.
Will the V2 zealios attempt to address the chattering issues as well as the wobblyness oobly described?
Thanks to ari's detailed reports he's provided to me over PM's, Round 2 Zealios will not have this issue. I've already forwarded his reports to Gateron, and they have said that they will address the problem by slightly adjusting the distance between the metal leaves. I'll be receiving some R2 samples in January, and will send a batch of switches to ari to confirm that there are no issues.
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
R3 possibly?
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Any chance at a stock tactile zealios at 60g or under in the future?
Not for R2, sorry.
What are the switch weights going to be for round 2?
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Tweaking the darker purples a bit before approving them for samples. Once I get them on hand and everything's A-OK, a GB will launch. By the looks of it, maybe around mid-Jan.
Did I miss it somewhere but when is R2?
Tweaking the darker purples a bit before approving them for samples. Once I get them on hand and everything's A-OK, a GB will launch. By the looks of it, maybe around mid-Jan.
When is shipping planned? I want to try a 67g next to a 78g before I buy 100 of them; already have everything but 78g :'(
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Why are there no more 62g? I bought a sample pack and prefer teh 62g.
Hey Zeal, when will you restock the tactile zealios? ;D
Zeal is planning do another group buy with new switches. I believe the tactile ones will come in variants of 65g, 67g, and 78g with different shades of purple for the stem to tell the difference. I can't help on the date side of things but I know there won't be a "re-stock" of the first round.
Why are there no more 62g? I bought a sample pack and prefer the 62g.
62g, 65g, 67g, 78g
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
Hi all
This is a long shot, but I would like to test out the 65g and 67g purple tactical, I have a few spare of the 62g, so happy to either trade or I'll buy them off you.
Thank you so much in advance.
I have a few 65g tactiles from a failed project. If I don't have to guarantee the switches are functional on a board, I can send you a few if you pay shipping.
so when is Round 2?
so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Should be this month or the next, I think.so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
I need me more switches!!!so when is Round 2?
Soon, samples are still under production and testing. Just called my Gateron rep and requested them to expedite their samples.
Q1? Q2? if not, ok. just wondering
Q1 for sure. It was supposed to launch mid January, but might end up happening around the end of January.
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Tealios are cancelled until further notice. If I get a huge spike of orders for R2, maybe Gateron will consider it again.
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
Ooh, awesome! Certainly didn't expect this so early! :)
No Tealios though :( Do you have any information on release-date for those?
Tealios are cancelled until further notice. If I get a huge spike of orders for R2, maybe Gateron will consider it again.
Oh, I'm sorry to hear that! Hope they chage their minds after R2! :)
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
I don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?Basically, in r1 all sliders were the same colors. Now the weight will decide the slider color.
I don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?
Beat you to itI don't mean to be that guy but TLDR the differences between R1 and R2?
Slightly difference share purple for each switch weight.
65g with milky bottom housing to withstand higher soldering temperatures.
Slight changes to prevent chattering switches.
R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
If I wanted to add more/add a few other things to my order, can I just pm you?
Thanks guys for answerifor me while I slept inCool! Will do when that happens! :)R2 now live (GB thread awaiting approval)Ordered 100!
http://zealpc.net/products/zealio
If I wanted to add more/add a few other things to my order, can I just pm you?
PM / email me and I'll cancel your order so you can add more.
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I might be misinformedThe linear switches were just called clear zealios.
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I think Tealios were going to be the linear switches for R2 that got canceled.
Also R1 had linear switches, nicknamed Tealios due to the extremely boring non-purple colour.
I think Tealios were going to be the linear switches for R2 that got canceled.
Tealios are clicky switches and have been put on the back burner for now.
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Awesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Well there are several options that you could do...
1. Harvest some old browns that are much smoother than newer ones.
2. Buy Linear Zealios and put weaker springs in them or even the mx brown's springs.
3. Buy current browns and lube them, you could also lube the other options for even added smoothness.
I have browns from a NIB g80-11801 and they feel quite good. I didn't anything to them other than add a clear Gateron switch top.
MoreAwesome to see R2 happening so soon.Wait... Aren't zealios basically Browns with a larger tactile bump? (more or less. I realize the spring weight is different...)
I really... REALLY wish there was an MX Brown equivalent of zealios. These gritty cherry browns are mehh.
And I wish the milky bottom was also PCB mount.
Zealios are similar to ergo-clears which are basically clears with brown springs in them.
Lengradde: If you really want you could swap the stems out of browns and put them into the Zealios.
Most of the grittiness of browns comes from the molding of the stem and the lack of lube. Zeal and Gateron are providing a solution for the clear/ergo-clear users (and linear in R1). I wouldn't mind some brown love though. :)
Well there are several options that you could do...
1. Harvest some old browns that are much smoother than newer ones.
2. Buy Linear Zealios and put weaker springs in them or even the mx brown's springs.
3. Buy current browns and lube them, you could also lube the other options for even added smoothness.
I have browns from a NIB g80-11801 and they feel quite good. I didn't anything to them other than add a clear Gateron switch top.
Why doesn't he just buy Gateron Clears? Aren't they supposed to be similar to Browns?
Just out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Shoot me a pm!I actually have some spare stems from those switches we talked about that I messed upJust out of curiosity have you ever tried putting the purple stem in the Gateron Red switches? Also do you sell just the stems?
The purple stem would work in any Gateron housing. As for the purple stems, they are not sold separately.
Would you be willing to send them along my way for a small fee :) I just purchased 120 red gateron switches I am to experiment with.
Finished putting Zealios onto my Filco. The alpha rows each have different weights for comparison (bottom 62g, middle 65g, top 67g). Quick review below:
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The good thing is that the tactility and smoothness is everything I wished for. The 67g gives me an experience that is the closest to 55g topre I've had on a non-topre switch. The large bump fills almost entire travel distance which gives a similar experience to a topre dome compressing.
There are two problems, though, which annoy me to the point that I would actually prefer to use any other of my boards with Cherries or Topre instead. First issue is the wobbliness, which others have already mentioned. The switch stem wobbles enough to give the entire build a very cheap feel, like I'm typing on something that's going to fall apart any moment. Second issue is the bottom out, which feels every so slightly spongy and muted. I like to bottom out when I type and for me personally, the sharp clack of MX's is a part of the whole tactile experience, just like the actuation bump is and I want my bottom out to feel sturdy and solid.
I've tried several different caps on the board - SA, thick Imsto (cherry-profile) PBT, GMK thick ABS, thick OEM PBT. Due to the two issues above combined, all of these caps lose some of their quality feel when put on the Zealios board, compared to another same Filco board with Cherry switches in it. I would try a cap on Zealios for a bit in think "that's kind of alright", then put the same cap on a Cherry switch and be like "oh wow this cap is really nice". Yes, the tactile feedback and smoothness is sublime and that is irreplaceable and cannot be reproduced on any cherry switch, but the wobbliness and spongy/muted sound kind of overshadows the whole experience.
Props to Zeal for innovating and developing something new and unique, but as of right now, for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. I hope this development will not stop here, and I'm looking forward to potential Version 2 in the future.
Finished putting Zealios onto my Filco. The alpha rows each have different weights for comparison (bottom 62g, middle 65g, top 67g). Quick review below:
(Attachment Link)
The good thing is that the tactility and smoothness is everything I wished for. The 67g gives me an experience that is the closest to 55g topre I've had on a non-topre switch. The large bump fills almost entire travel distance which gives a similar experience to a topre dome compressing.
There are two problems, though, which annoy me to the point that I would actually prefer to use any other of my boards with Cherries or Topre instead. First issue is the wobbliness, which others have already mentioned. The switch stem wobbles enough to give the entire build a very cheap feel, like I'm typing on something that's going to fall apart any moment. Second issue is the bottom out, which feels every so slightly spongy and muted. I like to bottom out when I type and for me personally, the sharp clack of MX's is a part of the whole tactile experience, just like the actuation bump is and I want my bottom out to feel sturdy and solid.
I've tried several different caps on the board - SA, thick Imsto (cherry-profile) PBT, GMK thick ABS, thick OEM PBT. Due to the two issues above combined, all of these caps lose some of their quality feel when put on the Zealios board, compared to another same Filco board with Cherry switches in it. I would try a cap on Zealios for a bit in think "that's kind of alright", then put the same cap on a Cherry switch and be like "oh wow this cap is really nice". Yes, the tactile feedback and smoothness is sublime and that is irreplaceable and cannot be reproduced on any cherry switch, but the wobbliness and spongy/muted sound kind of overshadows the whole experience.
Props to Zeal for innovating and developing something new and unique, but as of right now, for me personally, the negatives outweigh the positives. I hope this development will not stop here, and I'm looking forward to potential Version 2 in the future.
I don't feel any wobbliness on the switches