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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #50 on: Thu, 02 January 2014, 21:32:02 »
Just for a reference for people.  Here is a switch with SIP sockets which have had the entire housing removed and an LED in place so it is ready to solder...

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Edit: I did not check if the LED was in the correct orientation, it was just to illustrate the previous point...

what board is that? looks sexy

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #51 on: Sun, 09 March 2014, 10:38:25 »
This is awesome! Im definitely going to be adding SIP sockets to my phantom for scroll and caps after seeing this thread.

Does anyone have any part numbers for the rectangular LED's your using?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #52 on: Sun, 09 March 2014, 13:53:48 »
They are 2x3x4mm rectangular LEDs.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #53 on: Mon, 10 March 2014, 07:45:51 »
They are 2x3x4mm rectangular LEDs.

And most of the time you want to add water clear to that :D

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #54 on: Mon, 10 March 2014, 13:40:00 »
Doesn't really matter actually, diffused should be okay too, as long as they are not dim.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #55 on: Mon, 17 March 2014, 09:31:05 »
I like matte/frosted/milky or whatever people call them. They distribute the light more evenly on the window if there is one and also around the key imo.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #56 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:23:20 »
Does anybody else have closing problems even without the black plastic? It won't close all the way and makes taking off caps a PITA

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #57 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:24:59 »
Does anybody else have closing problems even without the black plastic? It won't close all the way and makes taking off caps a PITA

I have not had that problem yet.  I have not done a whole board though...  Its the switch top you cant get to close correctly?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #58 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:26:51 »
Yes, they don't fit perfectly because the black top part interferes:



Edit: added corrected area that seems to interfere.

Takes more effort to close the switches, and they don't close fully, though when they do close, there's no interference that I've noticed.  I've used them for my entire LightSaver's worth of switches, and it took a lot of extra time :(

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #59 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:29:44 »
Does anybody else have closing problems even without the black plastic? It won't close all the way and makes taking off caps a PITA

I have not had that problem yet.  I have not done a whole board though...  Its the switch top you cant get to close correctly?

Yea the switch tops won't close all the way. It may be because the SIP sockets aren't perfectly aligned, but I'm not exactly sure

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #60 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:31:21 »
Yes, they don't fit perfectly because the black top part interferes:

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I circled the parts on the side, but I it might be more than that.  I need to do a test with teflon tape.  Takes more effort to close the switches, and they don't close fully, though when they do close, there's no interference that I've noticed.  I've used them for my entire LightSaver's worth of switches, and it took a lot of extra time :(

Yea I noticed those things and it was driving me crazy.

There is no interference when closed, but when taking off caps (esp tight ones) its hard to pull it off without taking the whole switch top and LED with it.


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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #61 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 20:41:21 »
Redone the photograph to show the part on the top cover that interferes with the tops of the SIP sockets and doesn't allow for the top cover to close as tightly as it would without the sockets.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #62 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 21:11:37 »
Redone the photograph to show the part on the top cover that interferes with the tops of the SIP sockets and doesn't allow for the top cover to close as tightly as it would without the sockets.

I had that problem before I completely removed the housing on the SIP sockets, but I have not had issues once I completely removed all the plastic.  I have not done a full keyboard yet though...

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #63 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 21:13:23 »
I removed all the pins from their plastic housing before installing them into switches.  Still had that issue.  Skipped switch stickers even to compensate somewhat.  Everything is fine and is in working order, and all the SIP sockets were aligned with LEDs inserted into them prior to soldering, but switch covers definitely did not close as well as they would have without the sockets.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #64 on: Wed, 26 March 2014, 21:43:10 »
Has anyone found some SIP sockets on eBay that work perfectly? Is there even any variation between the types you can buy?
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #65 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 03:16:55 »
When I install SIP sockets, even when inserting the switch fully into the PCB the ends of the sockets barely make it through the PCB holes. Is that everyone else's experience as well? It seems like it puts the connection to the LED at risk unless you really get in there with the solder.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #66 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 07:05:46 »
When I install SIP sockets, even when inserting the switch fully into the PCB the ends of the sockets barely make it through the PCB holes. Is that everyone else's experience as well? It seems like it puts the connection to the LED at risk unless you really get in there with the solder.

Yes, on a 1.6mm PCB it will basically be flush with the bottom of the PCB.

I am using a sprit PCB, so the led holes are all the way through so there is lots of surface to solder to. No issues at all. Desoldering them is a bit of a PITA, but I think that is to be expected.

If you have a single sided PCB then I could see you maybe having some issues.

Which PCB are you using and do the pads go through the PCB?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #67 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 09:13:21 »
When I install SIP sockets, even when inserting the switch fully into the PCB the ends of the sockets barely make it through the PCB holes. Is that everyone else's experience as well? It seems like it puts the connection to the LED at risk unless you really get in there with the solder.

Yes, on a 1.6mm PCB it will basically be flush with the bottom of the PCB.

I am using a sprit PCB, so the led holes are all the way through so there is lots of surface to solder to. No issues at all. Desoldering them is a bit of a PITA, but I think that is to be expected.

If you have a single sided PCB then I could see you maybe having some issues.

Which PCB are you using and do the pads go through the PCB?

I've most recently been working on Duck PCBs, Butterfly keypad and Orion. That is a good note as I do my own PCB design. Are there SIP sockets that are extra long?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #68 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 09:26:15 »
When I install SIP sockets, even when inserting the switch fully into the PCB the ends of the sockets barely make it through the PCB holes. Is that everyone else's experience as well? It seems like it puts the connection to the LED at risk unless you really get in there with the solder.

Yes, on a 1.6mm PCB it will basically be flush with the bottom of the PCB.

I am using a sprit PCB, so the led holes are all the way through so there is lots of surface to solder to. No issues at all. Desoldering them is a bit of a PITA, but I think that is to be expected.

If you have a single sided PCB then I could see you maybe having some issues.

Which PCB are you using and do the pads go through the PCB?

I've most recently been working on Duck PCBs, Butterfly keypad and Orion. That is a good note as I do my own PCB design. Are there SIP sockets that are extra long?

I have not run into any, but I have not looked either. I know you can get header sockets with longer pins, so it may be possible.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #70 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 09:56:36 »
Excellent information Igthorn. That would explain why some have had a harder time closing the switch housing than others. Someone should get a few of each and report back which profile works the best.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #71 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:01:53 »
Excellent information Igthorn. That would explain why some have had a harder time closing the switch housing than others. Someone should get a few of each and report back which profile works the best.

I think some people are not completely removing the housing as well.  When I didn't remove the housing I had problems closing the switch.  I tried to 'shave' the sip socket pair and that was just too tedious for me...

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #72 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 10:06:45 »
Excellent information Igthorn. That would explain why some have had a harder time closing the switch housing than others. Someone should get a few of each and report back which profile works the best.

I think some people are not completely removing the housing as well.  When I didn't remove the housing I had problems closing the switch.  I tried to 'shave' the sip socket pair and that was just too tedious for me...

Someone should try out the "Ultra-low profile" type listed in the pdf and see if it is any better in that regard.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #73 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 11:33:38 »
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #74 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:22:47 »
Excellent information Igthorn. That would explain why some have had a harder time closing the switch housing than others. Someone should get a few of each and report back which profile works the best.

I think some people are not completely removing the housing as well.  When I didn't remove the housing I had problems closing the switch.  I tried to 'shave' the sip socket pair and that was just too tedious for me...

Someone should try out the "Ultra-low profile" type listed in the pdf and see if it is any better in that regard.

I got a few of the long tail ones to try in my next build. (A Lightsaver, I think is my next modern build.) I will report back with results in photographic form.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #75 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 12:31:35 »
Excellent information Igthorn. That would explain why some have had a harder time closing the switch housing than others. Someone should get a few of each and report back which profile works the best.

I think some people are not completely removing the housing as well.  When I didn't remove the housing I had problems closing the switch.  I tried to 'shave' the sip socket pair and that was just too tedious for me...

Someone should try out the "Ultra-low profile" type listed in the pdf and see if it is any better in that regard.

I got a few of the long tail ones to try in my next build. (A Lightsaver, I think is my next modern build.) I will report back with results in photographic form.

Longer leads might make them stick out more through the PCB, but I recon they wil be worse in the aspect of being able to close the switch housing easily. If your next build is delayed, please just try it in a switch and report back.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #76 on: Fri, 25 July 2014, 13:32:41 »
TE's sip sockets have a taller upper section versus the Mill-Max ones, .180in vs .165in.  So there is difference between brands.

The difference between Mill-Max's standard and long is only in the pin length.

The ones I have fit completely inside the switch and have wiggle room when the plastic is completely removed.  When I left the plastic on, it fit perfectly.  I'm not sure which brand it is (got them ages ago), but the measurements are about the same as the Mill-Max.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #77 on: Fri, 05 September 2014, 17:33:39 »
i asked previously but then I thought i fixed it.

Apparently not.

My girlfriend just told me "why dont you ask people on geekhack. They're pretty smart" and so here i am.


I have all the SIP sockets soldered in and i'm adding LEDs on there to test. I will slowly start adding LEDs and i will add one that will cause the other LEDs to dim.

Is there something i'm doing wrong?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #78 on: Fri, 05 September 2014, 18:15:19 »
i asked previously but then I thought i fixed it.

Apparently not.

My girlfriend just told me "why dont you ask people on geekhack. They're pretty smart" and so here i am.
Your GF knows what's up.

I have all the SIP sockets soldered in and i'm adding LEDs on there to test. I will slowly start adding LEDs and i will add one that will cause the other LEDs to dim.

Is there something i'm doing wrong?
What board is this? In some KBs (TG3 BL82) the LEDs are wired up differently and won't work at all unless there are a proper "pair" wired up.

In other KBs, the LED regulation isn't as good, and it will give less or more current to LEDs depending on load.

If it's a KB I have, I'll be happy to test it out.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #79 on: Fri, 05 September 2014, 18:16:48 »
i asked previously but then I thought i fixed it.

Apparently not.

My girlfriend just told me "why dont you ask people on geekhack. They're pretty smart" and so here i am.
Your GF knows what's up.

I have all the SIP sockets soldered in and i'm adding LEDs on there to test. I will slowly start adding LEDs and i will add one that will cause the other LEDs to dim.

Is there something i'm doing wrong?
What board is this? In some KBs (TG3 BL82) the LEDs are wired up differently and won't work at all unless there are a proper "pair" wired up.

In other KBs, the LED regulation isn't as good, and it will give less or more current to LEDs depending on load.

If it's a KB I have, I'll be happy to test it out.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #80 on: Wed, 24 September 2014, 23:59:01 »
I like this idea a lot! Well done good sir!

I have some GH60 pcb's that will be very happy with this mod.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #81 on: Thu, 25 September 2014, 02:02:25 »
I'm having a problem after a SIP mod to make my Deck a Christmas tree. Everythyng worked fxcept one LED. Tried fixing and now - all leds won't light up. Lock lights work. There is actually a teeny bit of light from orange LEDs but not any other color. Light brightness controls don't cause any more light. I don't know what is going on. Thinking that maybe 2.2v leds are causing a problem I removed them and now have no light on this keyboard anymore.
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #82 on: Wed, 29 October 2014, 10:51:03 »
It took me ages and ages, but I finally put the longer sockets in a keyboard, I vastly prefer working with them but they are $$$ compared to the regular ones.  I've added them to the 2x3x4 LED group buy to try and get a volume price from Mouser.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #83 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 10:09:51 »
sorry if this is a noobish question but wouldn't it be possible theoretically speaking to use sip sockets to mount your switches to the pcb ? to easily assemble & disassemble without needing to solder twice ?

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #84 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 10:12:20 »
sorry if this is a noobish question but wouldn't it be possible theoretically speaking to use sip sockets to mount your switches to the pcb ? to easily assemble & disassemble without needing to solder twice ?

NO, not possible. The LED matrix is wired differently ie your switches will be physically attached to the board but not their electrical contacts, so the switches won’t be able to send signals to the keyboard controller. You'll wind up with a bright paperweight.
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #85 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 11:11:15 »
sorry if this is a noobish question but wouldn't it be possible theoretically speaking to use sip sockets to mount your switches to the pcb ? to easily assemble & disassemble without needing to solder twice ?

I think theoretically yes. But, it would not be very sturdy. You'd have to use a plate. But then you'd also have the SIP socket sticking up off the PCB so your distance between plate and PCB would be greater than usual (the switches are normally flush with the PCB). So you'd have a thicker package overall and depth of your case might become an issue. Also you'd have to find the correct SIP sockets to accept the blade shaped contacts found on MX switches. And if I'm not mistaken the switch contacts are actually two different sizes, one is stiffer than the other on each switch.

I think there is a company that made a keyboard using this concept though. Can't remember the name right now. Something Chinese maybe?
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« Reply #86 on: Sat, 13 December 2014, 13:36:06 »
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« Reply #89 on: Sun, 14 December 2014, 00:27:47 »
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #90 on: Thu, 09 July 2015, 14:18:22 »
An alternative to Swill's flush cutter method is to just grab the socket and push it up through the housing. It's quick and easy and I've not yet mangled any SIPs like I did when cutting them out.

Apologies for the necro, but this seemed like the right place!


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« Reply #91 on: Fri, 11 March 2016, 03:59:25 »
An alternative to Swill's flush cutter method is to just grab the socket and push it up through the housing. It's quick and easy and I've not yet mangled any SIPs like I did when cutting them out.

Apologies for the necro, but this seemed like the right place!


Great tip, I'm expecting a few next week. Thanks.


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« Reply #92 on: Sun, 24 July 2016, 03:10:56 »
currently installing LEDs on these sockets in my switches. my fingers are crying blood  :'(
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #93 on: Wed, 30 November 2016, 05:05:40 »
Hi Geeks,

I'm planning to build my first Diy Mechanical Keyboard, a GH60 (Rev. C) with white Gateron Switches. I've found alternative source for SIP Socket but Im not sure about these. Will these work for SIP Modding?

https://www.reichelt.de/IC-Sockel/SPL-64/3/index.html?ACTION=3&GROUPID=7429&ARTICLE=19401&OFFSET=16&SID=93WD294KwQATIAAHs@BQga7d5eaf29114b26554eec9470c9a604d&LANGUAGE=EN

https://www.reichelt.de/Sockets-IC/MPE-006-1-050/3/index.html?ACTION=3&LA=2&ARTICLE=119951&GROUPID=7429&artnr=MPE+006-1-050&SEARCH=%252A

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #94 on: Thu, 23 March 2017, 22:36:41 »
Sorry im late , but im wondering if something like this would work with the gateron switch ? I dont have one handy to compare to the mx switch.
            

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« Reply #95 on: Fri, 24 March 2017, 06:37:45 »
Sorry im late , but im wondering if something like this would work with the gateron switch ? I dont have one handy to compare to the mx switch.

Yes, it works with Gateron switches.

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #96 on: Wed, 26 April 2017, 04:06:12 »
Question on this did anyone ever figure out the best ones to use?  I see a couple of others mentioning the Mill Max ones: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Mill-Max/311-43-164-41-001000/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMs%2fSh%2fkjph1tjJZclYmfaNPJ3I9Z5RDf1I%3d

I'm getting one of the new Sabers and want to try this on the mod switches.   ^.^
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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #98 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 15:28:35 »
interesting post / topic..

Could you please elaborate on what you said

"the MX lock is unsuitable unfortunately "


What does this mean exactly ??
i know this is an old post but as it's not that long and still current a far as i'm concerned i see no reason to start a new topic.
Keeping all the info in one place is way more valuable..
Thanks for youre help guys..

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Re: SIP sockets for faster removal of LEDs
« Reply #99 on: Sun, 15 April 2018, 15:37:30 »
Could you please elaborate on what you said

"the MX lock is unsuitable unfortunately "
The Cherry MX Lock switch has the LED hole shifted to the right and it won't align with the PCB pads that are usually centered.

My opensource projects: GH80-3000, Skipad, TOAD (KotM Sept '17), TOAD v2, XMMX.