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Title: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Pre-orders Live
Post by: imivanh on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:25:54
(https://i.imgur.com/AM9sH0a.png)

Hey Everyone! Welcome to the IC of my first set, ePBT Timeless.

Please check out/fill out the IC Form (https://forms.gle/6aqAVTfbAfDe6FkB6).

This set is meant to reflect a timeless design aesthetic/language, which primary features are off-white, grey, and beige/wood tone colors.

GB IS LIVE! The Right PC is doing a 5% off all ePBT Timeless group buy products (applied at checkout) until Oct. 11th, 2021

Kits

Base Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/n95C7VE.jpg)

Numpad Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/XSyGkVa.png)

Dark Alphas Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/0z97i27.png)

Spacebars Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/Fhx0myg.jpg)

40s Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/q1g2e5Y.png)

International Kit
(https://i.imgur.com/0nqMhX4.png)

Color Comparison

(https://i.imgur.com/rn6wRtL.png)
Hex was used approximate the color and may not be 100% accurate to their Pantone/Ral/etc

Renders

Fuji 65
(https://i.imgur.com/sxbFAmo.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/p9ZomtX.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/fSi3Sq8.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/vd2NEL9.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/vBfvNDL.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/3M6fMvj.jpg)

Rama U80
(https://i.imgur.com/9OvWeHF.jpg)(https://i.imgur.com/SQXd6hL.jpg)

Desk Mats

Continuum - This desk mat was inspired by a certain show, a scene from the place that exists outside of time.
(https://i.imgur.com/NB7W6bI.jpg)
designed by fireanddarkness

Eternity - Heavenly clouds, a place that exists forever
(https://i.imgur.com/tCzZ6Uc.jpg)
designed by fireanddarkness

ePBT Timeless x The Deep Desk Mat (Light)
(https://i.imgur.com/dJpuQZh.jpg)
designed by Cat from Onomichi

ePBT Timeless x The Deep Desk Mat (Dark)
(https://i.imgur.com/V0YHfeE.jpg)
designed by Cat from Onomichi

Artisans

Metal Artisan Collab w/ AseroFoundry
(https://i.imgur.com/bA7RcAL.png)

CNC Brass Artisan Collab w/ THOK
(https://i.imgur.com/X6I6sKn.png)
(https://i.imgur.com/R5BkceE.png)

Vendors

US - The Right PC (https://www.therightpc.tech/products/epbt-timeless)

CA - Shockport Keyboards (https://shockport.com/collections/interest-checks/products/epbt-timeless)

UK - Prototypist (https://prototypist.net/)

EU - Eloquent Clicks (https://www.eloquentclicks.com/product/epbt-timeless/)

Asia - KBDFans (https://kbdfans.com/collections/interest-checks/products/ic-epbt-timeless)

OCE - DailyClack (https://dailyclack.com/)

India - StacksKB (https://stackskb.com/product-tag/epbt-timeless/)

PH - Klikity Shop (https://www.facebook.com/Klikity.ph/?ref=page_internal)


GB Date

October 4th - November 1st, 2021

Pricing

(https://i.imgur.com/mmjeomx.png)
KBDFans will not be offering the metal artisans, so you can purchase them from The Right PC, they ship Worldwide. Make sure to only have the metal artisans in your cart on check out for cheapest shipping.

Collabs

Cat From Onomichi - Desk Mat

fireandarkness - Desk Mat

Yu.Keys - Artisan

MOZICaps - Artisan

Cantoclicks - Artisan

THOK - Artisan

Aserofoundry - Artisan 

Signature

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ePBT Timeless IC Form (https://forms.gle/6aqAVTfbAfDe6FkB6)
Discord (https://discord.gg/RUWVFzG8Fr)
Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/therightpc/)


Special Thanks

The Right PC Team - helped me with kitting + overall positive support
dandruff - for the advice and sharing his experience as a designer
MechGroupBuys



Update Log

6/30/2021 - IC Posted, base kit renders fixed for F13 key, removed scooped F, J, and 5 keys
7/12/2021 - Manufacturer changed to Milkyways for PBT keycap manufacturing. Slight kitting update for 1 SKU for ease of manufacturing and pricing. No longer running a dark base kit due to manufacturer not able to produce reverse dye-sub keycaps reliably at this time.
7/20/2021 - Another change in manufacturer due to Milkways unable to produce reverse dye-sub for the colors we want at the moment. Samples have been ordered with another manufacturer to check quality and to determine if we go with another manufacturer and being able to produce some reverse dye-sub keys.
7/25/2021 - Based on IC, base kit mods are now changed to dark mods. Still awaiting reverse dye sub samples to come in to make sure quality is acceptable.
7/29/2021 - Currently in talks with ePBT, most likely we will be running this as an ePBT set.
8/3/2021 - Confirmed with ePBT this set can be made
8/6/2021 - Spacebar kit added
8/9/2021 - Kits finalized, added 40s and international kit. Removed basic 40s from base kit. Color comparison render added. Rama U80 render added.
8/11/2021 - Quotes expected from ePBT in about a month. EU vendor confirmed
8/18/2021 - Vendors Finalized, Collab section updated.
8/30/2021 - First desk mat revealed, created by fireanddarkess
9/4/2021 - ePBT Timeless x The Deep Desk Mat collab reveal
9/7/2021 - Collab update
9/11/21 - GB date finalized!
9/12/21 - Slight change to the pantone color, the chip I received did not meet my expectations of the color, so I changed to a different pantone that better matches the set
9/15/21 - Final Desk Mat Design added
9/16/221 - Desk mat render overhaul, pricing announced, added OCE Vendor
9/21/21 - Metal Artisan Collab with AseroFoundry revealed!
9/26/21 - CNC Brass Artisan Collab with THOK revealed! Pricing updated for some vendors.
10/4/21 - GB is live until November 2nd, 2021!

To Do

- Move basic 40s to base kit
- Move accent bars to separate spacebar kit Accent bars remain in base kit
- novelties(?) Decided to not have novelties. Will be creating matching desk mats instead for the theme.
- Render updates
- Matching Desk Mats
- Collabs
- Vendors
- Waiting on Quotes and Pricing
- Finalize GB Date
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:28:37
The light base is just bow...
Consider removing it as two bases is not a really good idea for GMK
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: JohnYYZ on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:31:48
Looks pretty good, GLWIC

^^ Also same thoughts on having two base kits.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: pararch on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:34:51
I would take a second look at the 40's kit, as there seems to be a lot missing for optimal coverage for GMK kitting. You're missing quite a few R4 keys like 1.25u shift, and all the 1u text keys. I'd also consider breaking the spacebar kit out from 40's.
Also would not run 2 base kits for GMK. The dark kit gives me GMK Nines vibes.

GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:57:11
I like CP white (hagoromo for oblivion, Olivia, ursa) more than WS1 (minimal) and always wanted CP white mods.

Do a color comparison w oblivion mod grey, N9, and the dark dark grey from GMK lux if you can.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: hali on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:04:19
this feels ridiculously low effort
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:09:08
Quote from: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:28:37
The light base is just bow...
Consider removing it as two bases is not a really good idea for GMK

Gotcha, I will definitely put that into consideration.

Quote from: JohnYYZ on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:31:48
Looks pretty good, GLWIC

^^ Also same thoughts on having two base kits.

Thank you! I will definitely consider removing one of the base kits.

Quote from: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:57:11
I like CP white (hagoromo for oblivion, Olivia, ursa) more than WS1 (minimal) and always wanted CP white mods.

Do a color comparison w oblivion mod grey, N9, and the dark dark grey from GMK lux if you can.

Will get right on that, thank you for the input!

Quote from: hali on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:04:19
this feels ridiculously low effort

What about this makes it feel ridiculously low effort? Would love to show you more effort if you have any suggestions on how I can do so!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: doggo1dance on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:13:37
Quote from: hali on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:04:19
this feels ridiculously low effort

quite ironic coming from someone that doesn't provide suggestions to improve the set as a whole  :p
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: stevenT on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:19:06
I would like to see yellow on black mod in same kit with white alphas, gonna be next big hit after Olivia
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: Altephor on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:20:10
F13 in renders but no F13 in the kits?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: nvh2092 on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:23:55
I'd to see novelties, consider making a kit which has gold (patone 911c) novelties about the design philosophy so it can be used for both bases.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:32:27
Quote from: Altephor on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:20:10
F13 in renders but no F13 in the kits?

Good catch, I'll get the kit rendering fixed asap. There will be a F13 Key in base kit

Edit: base kit renders fixed for F13 key
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:39:20
Quote from: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:09:08
What about this makes it feel ridiculously low effort? Would love to show you more effort if you have any suggestions on how I can do so!
It's basically just bow/wob,
Kitting is a mess with no normal f and j
The extras kit forces accent bars and is missing other important stuff like 2.25u and 2u bars, everything mostly just looks like stock krk etc.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: hayasaka on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:42:26
looks classy
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: dandruff on Thu, 01 July 2021, 01:11:59
Quote from: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:39:20
Quote from: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:09:08
What about this makes it feel ridiculously low effort? Would love to show you more effort if you have any suggestions on how I can do so!
It's basically just bow/wob,
Kitting is a mess with no normal f and j
The extras kit forces accent bars and is missing other important stuff like 2.25u and 2u bars, everything mostly just looks like stock krk etc.

I share some of your views such as no normal f and j while there is a normal 5 key in numpad (the inconsistency bothers me, and I'd rather just remove scooped completely.

but I'm going to have to disagree regarding bow/wob and low effort.
I think this has everything people are looking for in a starting IC. Colors/renders/theme and they build upon it. Especially for his first keycap post, imagine flaming someone's kitting issues as low effort.

As for colors, first off, you can't "own" a colorway, and the white in this case is CP rather than the usual WS1 and WS2. As for the dark kit, white is nowhere lol.

I think it's a fine start, and just needs to fix some kitting issues (like adding basic 40s to base kit if 40s kit is going to be kitted like that (and possibly add novelties (?))).

Edit: Also... to my knowledge and personal experience... when has 2 base kit been a bad idea with GMK...?
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 02:30:23
Quote from: dandruff on Thu, 01 July 2021, 01:11:59
Quote from: MIGHTY CHICKEN on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:39:20
Quote from: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:09:08
What about this makes it feel ridiculously low effort? Would love to show you more effort if you have any suggestions on how I can do so!
It's basically just bow/wob,
Kitting is a mess with no normal f and j
The extras kit forces accent bars and is missing other important stuff like 2.25u and 2u bars, everything mostly just looks like stock krk etc.

I share some of your views such as no normal f and j while there is a normal 5 key in numpad (the inconsistency bothers me, and I'd rather just remove scooped completely.

but I'm going to have to disagree regarding bow/wob and low effort.
I think this has everything people are looking for in a starting IC. Colors/renders/theme and they build upon it. Especially for his first keycap post, imagine flaming someone's kitting issues as low effort.

As for colors, first off, you can't "own" a colorway, and the white in this case is CP rather than the usual WS1 and WS2. As for the dark kit, white is nowhere lol.

I think it's a fine start, and just needs to fix some kitting issues (like adding basic 40s to base kit if 40s kit is going to be kitted like that (and possibly add novelties (?))).

Edit: Also... to my knowledge and personal experience... when has 2 base kit been a bad idea with GMK...?

Thanks for the feedback dandruff! I will change the scooped keys to regular keys first, and work on fixing the extras kit. It is so hard to make everyone happy with the kitting haha, since it's impossible to fit everything into the base kit. Looks like putting basic 40s into the base kit is the way to go, and move accent bars and arrow keys to a separate kit.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: sup3r170va on Thu, 01 July 2021, 08:51:11
I quite like the CP set. Suggest you move the basic 40s kit into the base. Consider white/dark grey bars instead of the cream ones.
A hangul or hiragana sublegends child kit would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: chamoy_MXC on Thu, 01 July 2021, 09:22:20
I like this. For the basic 40s support on base you just have to add  1.75 R2 backspace, 1.5 enter and 1.25 tab both R3. That covers minivan and you will have a lot of forties happy with it.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: Neely_12 on Thu, 01 July 2021, 09:39:13
I feel like the white base could use extra character. I understand its supposed to be simple, but bow with gold accents isn't anything crazy. Also a r3 pg up and a r4 pg dn would be appreciated if added in the base.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: hali on Thu, 01 July 2021, 10:28:29
Quote from: imivanh on Thu, 01 July 2021, 00:09:08
What about this makes it feel ridiculously low effort? Would love to show you more effort if you have any suggestions on how I can do so!

A lot of areas don't cut it for me. Light base is very similar to Stormtrooper, just with icon mods, slightly darker legends, and an accent colour. Dark base is similar to other yellow on black/grey options. Interior design is mentioned but nothing really reflects that. To me it seems like nothing is really done to set this set apart from others, or to even convey the theme of interior design as well as it could have. IMO novelties should have been released alongside IC, because from what I see, there's nothing very timeless here.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: iinko_mk on Thu, 01 July 2021, 15:05:09
both base kits look like something that already exist. the light base is just bow with orange accents (i think geekark ran something like this only a few months ago).

The dark base looks like a slew of other sets. We have solaria, spirit, and inukuma just to name a few.

You might also want to revist the 40s kit, it has really minimal support that doesn't do much. Clumping it with spacebars just makes it more expensive, and people buying spacebars will have to spend an extra 20 USD at least to get alice support at all. (base kit doesn't have an extra 2.25u shift)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: Cylent on Thu, 01 July 2021, 17:14:35
imo kitting can be fixed pretty easily, although 40s is a bit more difficult, but can also be done, so not a massive deal

I agree with hali and iinko on there already being very similar sets, and that without novelties the theme really doesn't come through for me.

tl;dr - This IC has been put in the oven, but not for long enough. Please put it back in the oven so I can evaluate whether this set is something I want to purchase.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: Zetina on Thu, 01 July 2021, 20:16:09
I personally think that you should offer some tipe of accent kit instead of the white base, but the set looks nice GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: kiwoli on Thu, 01 July 2021, 20:29:28
I feel this IC needed to launch with some banger novelties/deskmats, the timeless theme is not strong enough based on the accent colour alone.

Using an IC form to gauge interest in the separate base kits is fine, just need to know when to fold one of them.
The most recent case is GMK Cobalt when the alternate base kit had to be cancelled due to poor sales during GB window.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: phxrbn on Thu, 01 July 2021, 22:13:07
Maybe add a darker 'neutral' tone for the dark kit, like a deeper brown. Think of it as white + birch/one and black + walnut. Maybe could work. Novelties like a rama with woodgrain/knot would be nice.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: HappyB0T on Fri, 02 July 2021, 01:24:28
GMK Sixes and GMK Art have more style for sets that are simple. Although those sets are simple there is a design aesthetic to compliment them. I really feel that this set is positioned between a BOW / WOB set and those sets referenced above. What make those sets successful is their attention to detail and setting a specific goal. Some people have commented that GMK Boho is well designed but at the same time conservative in its approach. I would use the word - safe in it's colorway. I feel that this set fall short of communicating a vision like Boho does.

If you have a vision - what would the novelties be?? Even if it was to support a design standard there should be at least something to convince people that this is worth a 1.5 year wait. I am not seeing it.

Even the most basic of BOW & WOB sets have something that differentiate them from others. Maybe it is a more modern or retro take on choices and kitting.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: HappyB0T on Fri, 02 July 2021, 01:28:36
GMK Sixes and GMK Art have more style for sets that are simple. Although those sets are simple there is a design aesthetic to compliment them. I really feel that this set is positioned between a BOW / WOB set and those sets referenced above. What make those sets successful is their attention to detail and setting a specific goal. Some people have commented that GMK Boho is well designed but at the same time conservative in its approach. I would use the word - safe in it's colorway. I feel that this set fall short of communicating a vision like Boho does.

If you have a vision - what would the novelties be?? Even if it was to support a design standard there should be at least something to convince people that this is worth a 1.5 year wait. I am not seeing it.

Even the most basic of BOW & WOB sets have something that differentiate them from others. Maybe it is a more modern or retro take on choices and kitting.

Please consider changing the name of the "extras" kit - this is confusing in the context of a keyboard GB. Extension | 40s | Alt kit all are better at describing the kit.

GLWIC
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: bigdonnerz on Fri, 02 July 2021, 09:01:42
I think the colours are nice and don't agree that it needs a vision or concept behind it to differentiate it from other kits. There's also ready so much duplication of colours and ideas, it's easy to reduce most sets to "it's just X but with an added Y".

My only feedback would be that the kitting looks like it might result in this being expensive. I think you might be better off picking one of the two for the first run of this. Personally, I prefer the BOW set but it's up to you.

GLWIC!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Mon, 05 July 2021, 01:44:41
Thanks for the feedback! I am working on finalizing the changes for the kitting and hopefully it’ll make more people happy about it. I agree it is definitely easy to categorize sets into other existing sets. Something is always the shade of another thing, there are only so many basic colors.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: DeMechanica on Mon, 05 July 2021, 07:44:25
Quote from: imivanh on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:25:54

This set is meant to reflect a timeless interior design aesthetic, featuring off-white, grey, and beige/wood tone color accents.

There will be two base kits:

A Light Base to represent the traditional timeless interior design, which features white "walls" with grey and beige/wood tones;
and a Dark Base, for those who like dark mode (my personal favorite).


How does an off yellow cream colour or a dark grey represent beige / wood? Why offer a dark mode? What sets this apart? What makes this set unique? What makes it worth the investment from vendors? How is it worth the money of those who buy it? I’m completely unconvinced by the answers to these questions. I encourage you to try to answer those types of questions with a more thoughtful design.

And finally, how is this set “timeless”? Even if we take away the set colours not matching your description, the description isn’t even a timeless style, if I understand what you were describing correctly. The naming honestly reminds me of the GOAT stabilisers.

If the colours are just colours you like, scrap the pretence and just call it GMK Imivanh, don’t take away a great name from a design that would perfectly fit the name. Just tell it like it is and be up front about it being a design you want and so you’re running a GB for it to make it affordable for you. I think people wouldn’t question it nearly as much. I know I’d appreciate it.

Genuinely, good luck with the IC, I hope you take this as it’s intended, which is very clear (perhaps too clear and therefore quite harsh) constructive criticism.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: hrmmm on Mon, 05 July 2021, 09:48:04
I dunno, I like it. I find it simple, clean, and overall pleasant.

Some people are trying to get you to answer all these deeper questions, but honestly, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. If a vendor doesn't think it's worth the investment, then they won't do it. If you don't like the design, don't buy it. That being said, if there are some things you can do that'll increase its appeal to a wider audience, sure, go ahead and do it. But ultimately it's your design, so stick to your guns.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Mon, 05 July 2021, 23:04:25
Quote from: DeMechanica on Mon, 05 July 2021, 07:44:25
Quote from: imivanh on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:25:54

This set is meant to reflect a timeless interior design aesthetic, featuring off-white, grey, and beige/wood tone color accents.

There will be two base kits:

A Light Base to represent the traditional timeless interior design, which features white "walls" with grey and beige/wood tones;
and a Dark Base, for those who like dark mode (my personal favorite).


How does an off yellow cream colour or a dark grey represent beige / wood? Why offer a dark mode? What sets this apart? What makes this set unique? What makes it worth the investment from vendors? How is it worth the money of those who buy it? I’m completely unconvinced by the answers to these questions. I encourage you to try to answer those types of questions with a more thoughtful design.

And finally, how is this set “timeless”? Even if we take away the set colours not matching your description, the description isn’t even a timeless style, if I understand what you were describing correctly. The naming honestly reminds me of the GOAT stabilisers.

If the colours are just colours you like, scrap the pretence and just call it GMK Imivanh, don’t take away a great name from a design that would perfectly fit the name. Just tell it like it is and be up front about it being a design you want and so you’re running a GB for it to make it affordable for you. I think people wouldn’t question it nearly as much. I know I’d appreciate it.

Genuinely, good luck with the IC, I hope you take this as it’s intended, which is very clear (perhaps too clear and therefore quite harsh) constructive criticism.

I appreciate the criticism. Thank you for your comments
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: scoopbb on Tue, 06 July 2021, 00:52:54
i like the light set. the tone of the criticism is pretty insane. maybe thematically i can see their point but def not from, the low effort. even if it was just "white and yellow", id still like it and wouldn't consider it low effort. 
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: holer on Tue, 06 July 2021, 04:20:01
Damn this thread has been harsh  :(

I like the dark base, and it scratches the same itch as the dark version of ePBT Antarctic Emperor for me. And even if they are similar, then they are different profiles and the switch from blue to black is quite significant.

I don't mind the lack of novelties - imo too many sets have token novelties included that does nothing for the theme. So maybe asking for suggestions for novelties is a commendable approach.

All in all, I don't think this is low effort at all, and best of luck  :)
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: imivanh on Tue, 06 July 2021, 17:00:06
Quote from: scoopbb on Tue, 06 July 2021, 00:52:54
i like the light set. the tone of the criticism is pretty insane. maybe thematically i can see their point but def not from, the low effort. even if it was just "white and yellow", id still like it and wouldn't consider it low effort. 

Thank you, I appreciate that you can see this is not low effort. I feel I put I lot of work into creating what I thought was my vision. There are definitely valid criticisms that I have and will improve on the set, but it does hurt a bit for people to scream "low effort" at me.

Quote from: holer on Tue, 06 July 2021, 04:20:01
Damn this thread has been harsh  :(

I like the dark base, and it scratches the same itch as the dark version of ePBT Antarctic Emperor for me. And even if they are similar, then they are different profiles and the switch from blue to black is quite significant.

I don't mind the lack of novelties - imo too many sets have token novelties included that does nothing for the theme. So maybe asking for suggestions for novelties is a commendable approach.

All in all, I don't think this is low effort at all, and best of luck  :)

Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad there are those who don't disvalue my work or think it is "low effort". I did put a good amount of thought and effort into this and it does suck that some do not understand my vision for the set. There are valid criticisms, which I will definitely improve on them where needed. I thought IC was a place to share the idea and make changes according to criticism, but some seem to want a fully fleshed out and completed project immediately.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: mymeepo on Tue, 06 July 2021, 17:41:17
Don't get discouraged. The dark base set definitely has potential and it is clear that you put in effort into this IC.
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: holer on Wed, 07 July 2021, 05:07:50
Quote from: imivanh on Tue, 06 July 2021, 17:00:06
[...]

Thank you for your kind words! I'm glad there are those who don't disvalue my work or think it is "low effort". I did put a good amount of thought and effort into this and it does suck that some do not understand my vision for the set. There are valid criticisms, which I will definitely improve on them where needed. I thought IC was a place to share the idea and make changes according to criticism, but some seem to want a fully fleshed out and completed project immediately.

Cheers :) Let me take this chance to give you some less useful feedback - you went for the "wrong" iso support (and here wrong means the one I don't use) with R4 "< >" instead of R4 "\ |".  ;D
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: SwirlCables on Sat, 10 July 2021, 00:58:14
very clean and nice!  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] Milkyway PBT Timeless - Manufacturer Change - Formerly GMK Timeless
Post by: conternecticus on Tue, 20 July 2021, 18:57:48
If there's no separate 40s kit then please add minimum support for 40% in the base kit.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: pondscum on Wed, 04 August 2021, 08:36:21
Looks good - can go with Daily Clack for an OCE vendor
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: Cylent on Wed, 04 August 2021, 10:57:06
You switched to ePBT but kept GMK kitting with 3 key support for 40s? Please just kit for ePBT.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: salgiza on Wed, 04 August 2021, 15:34:41
Now that you are going with ePBT, please consider adding kittings for Norde and South (or even FR/BE) layouts. There are not that many elegant layouts with South & FR layouts, so hopefully that should give you a boost to meet the MOQ.

Same thing with 40s, Mac modifiers, etc. Hopefully there is no rush to get the GB out, and the more kittings that you add, the more interest that you will gather. So, having a MOQ just for the base kit, you should probably take the chance to add as extra kittings as you feel comfortable doing/think that make sense.

In addition to that, I agree with others that the IC will have more chances of having a successful GB if you manage to add some novelties that match the spirit of the theme. Maybe timeless designs? (I’m thinking lamps, furniture, maybe buildings). Art Deco glyphs would also match the color theme, I think.

Anyway, it’s your set, and it already looks quite nice as it is!
Title: Re: [IC] GMK Timeless
Post by: solomonshv on Wed, 04 August 2021, 18:37:19
would you be able to tell us why was the manu changed from GMK?

Quote from: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:57:11
I like CP white (hagoromo for oblivion, Olivia, ursa) more than WS1 (minimal) and always wanted CP white mods.

Do a color comparison w oblivion mod grey, N9, and the dark dark grey from GMK lux if you can.

i was thinking about a color comparison with GMK Cafe.

Quote from: hrmmm on Mon, 05 July 2021, 09:48:04
I dunno, I like it. I find it simple, clean, and overall pleasant.

Some people are trying to get you to answer all these deeper questions, but honestly, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. If a vendor doesn't think it's worth the investment, then they won't do it. If you don't like the design, don't buy it. That being said, if there are some things you can do that'll increase its appeal to a wider audience, sure, go ahead and do it. But ultimately it's your design, so stick to your guns.

it appears that the designer IS the vendor. i will surprised if this gets proxies.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: stevenT on Wed, 04 August 2021, 20:44:24
very nice set, does Ebpt has same thickness as GMK?
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: bball2 on Wed, 04 August 2021, 21:39:52
I really like it! Definitely in for a base set
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: gloomycloud on Thu, 05 August 2021, 00:17:04
Please consider a spacebar kit with 2.25u, 2.75u, and 2x 3u spacebars
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: imivanh on Sat, 07 August 2021, 21:59:38
Quote from: solomonshv on Wed, 04 August 2021, 18:37:19
would you be able to tell us why was the manu changed from GMK?

Quote from: IOVERCALLHISTIOCYTES on Wed, 30 June 2021, 23:57:11
I like CP white (hagoromo for oblivion, Olivia, ursa) more than WS1 (minimal) and always wanted CP white mods.

Do a color comparison w oblivion mod grey, N9, and the dark dark grey from GMK lux if you can.

i was thinking about a color comparison with GMK Cafe.

Quote from: hrmmm on Mon, 05 July 2021, 09:48:04
I dunno, I like it. I find it simple, clean, and overall pleasant.

Some people are trying to get you to answer all these deeper questions, but honestly, no one is forcing anyone to buy it. If a vendor doesn't think it's worth the investment, then they won't do it. If you don't like the design, don't buy it. That being said, if there are some things you can do that'll increase its appeal to a wider audience, sure, go ahead and do it. But ultimately it's your design, so stick to your guns.

it appears that the designer IS the vendor. i will surprised if this gets proxies.

Decided not to go with GMK due to the insane wait times. They really work on increasing production.

As for color comparison, I will work on rendering one with GMK Cafe as requested. In the meantime if you're interested, we are using Pantone 911 C, GMK N9, and GMK CP for our colors.

I am a vendor, but will definitely be having other regional proxies, not going to force people to only be able to purchase from us. Currently working on finalizing the regional proxies.

Quote from: bball2 on Wed, 04 August 2021, 21:39:52
I really like it! Definitely in for a base set

Thank You!

Quote from: gloomycloud on Thu, 05 August 2021, 00:17:04
Please consider a spacebar kit with 2.25u, 2.75u, and 2x 3u spacebars

Done! Spacebar kit added.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: N3VERM0R3 on Mon, 09 August 2021, 14:06:50
Really liking this set. Good luck!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Formerly GMK Timeless | Major Changes Made
Post by: denibhoxha on Mon, 09 August 2021, 15:06:54
yet another epbt set with 5 side dye sub
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Revealed
Post by: imivanh on Tue, 10 August 2021, 03:02:24
Update: Final Kitting revealed. 40s and International kits have been added due to request, and basic 40s were removed from base kit. Updated thread with color comparison to GMK Cafe and JTK Suited Assassin. Final things to do are:

1. Finalize the rest of the regional vendors
2. Finish Desk Mats
3. Finalize Collabs
4. Get Quotes
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Announced | Looking for collabs
Post by: VXQN on Tue, 10 August 2021, 03:24:21
International kit is missing the R4 "\|" for UK ISO. I like the set, but at this point I have to suggest not going with GMK...
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Announced | Looking for collabs
Post by: salgiza on Tue, 10 August 2021, 03:33:26
No love for southern europe makes salgiza sad :(

Anyway, I know that south kits don't yet move that many units, so I'll still let you eat pizza and paella in peace ;)

Just one thing, though: would you mind calling the Internation kit "Norde" or "North"? I know that some people also call Norde kits "International", but others use it to name kits that include both Norde and additional keys for other layouts (mostly ES), and using the same name for both makes my life miserable when I try to search for the later.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Announced | Looking for collabs
Post by: ad4m on Tue, 10 August 2021, 09:28:05
I personally dont think of this as "timeless" looking at all. Just looks like GMK Café, or just a set matched from your logo colors from The Right PC. I respect your attempts to constantly improve your set kitting and manufacturing wise but the set doesnt own up to the name in my humble opinion.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Announced | Looking for collabs
Post by: bball2 on Tue, 10 August 2021, 10:22:25
One thing I would request is a mod colored tilde / pipe in the base kit. Seems to be a pretty divisive issue with a lot of interest checks, but I think most ePBT sets have had them before.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Final Kitting Announced | Looking for collabs
Post by: imivanh on Tue, 10 August 2021, 16:06:19
Quote from: ad4m on Tue, 10 August 2021, 09:28:05
I personally dont think of this as "timeless" looking at all. Just looks like GMK Café, or just a set matched from your logo colors from The Right PC. I respect your attempts to constantly improve your set kitting and manufacturing wise but the set doesnt own up to the name in my humble opinion.

I appreciate the take. Timeless is a pretty broad theme to grasp visually, but I took the inspiration from classic designs that use whites, greys, and wood/beige tone colors, which I think reflects a timeless aesthetic. We opted not to go with any novelties, instead we'll be releasing some desk mats that we think will tie in the set, as well as hopefully partnering with some brass/metal artisan makers to enhance the timeless aesthetic experience.

Quote from: VXQN on Tue, 10 August 2021, 03:24:21
International kit is missing the R4 "\|" for UK ISO. I like the set, but at this point I have to suggest not going with GMK...

We have a R4 >< in the base kit that covers that key. We decided to go with ePBT instead of GMK due to the insane wait times.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Vendors Finalized | Looking for Artisan Collabs
Post by: FishyKeebs on Tue, 24 August 2021, 09:00:15
I like this set, looks nice!  Don't worry about the people complaining  :thumb:
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Two More desk mats revealed! | Waiting for Quotes
Post by: ad4m on Tue, 07 September 2021, 12:21:28
the deskmats arent really much for the overall aesthetic of the design. i get this is inspired by design language but 3d and lightning doesnt really do it for me.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Two More desk mats revealed! | Waiting for Quotes
Post by: Cylent on Tue, 07 September 2021, 15:10:26
I really appreciate the improvements in this set - it has come a long way.

I'd like to note that your current 40s kit is designed to be paired with base, but it would be much more efficient money-wise for 40s users if they could pair the 40s kit with your alt alphas. It's not essential, but I encourage you to consider designing 40s to pair with your alt alphas rather than base.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | Two More desk mats revealed! | Waiting for Quotes
Post by: abucazu on Thu, 09 September 2021, 03:49:35
Please consider ISO Spanish support in the International kit. It would be an insta buy for me  :-[
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th - Nov 1, 2021 | Pricing Announced!
Post by: imivanh on Thu, 16 September 2021, 14:00:14
Since the last update I've:

- Finalized Vendors
- Finalized Collabs
- Finalized Desk Mats
- Finalized Group Buy Date: Oct. 4th - Nov. 1st, 2021
- Pricing Announced

We're ready for GB!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th - Nov 1, 2021 | Pricing Announced!
Post by: milka158 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 05:38:46
Why is the Base Kit with Eloquent Clicks so expensive? Why is it not a 1:1 conversion like all other kits.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th - Nov 1, 2021 | Pricing Announced!
Post by: balbin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 01:12:33
I also wonder why there is such a markup for the eu vendor? Compared to other currently running epbt sets
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th - Nov 1, 2021 | Pricing Announced!
Post by: imivanh on Tue, 21 September 2021, 15:58:28
Quote from: milka158 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 05:38:46
Why is the Base Kit with Eloquent Clicks so expensive? Why is it not a 1:1 conversion like all other kits.

Quote from: balbin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 01:12:33
I also wonder why there is such a markup for the eu vendor? Compared to other currently running epbt sets

Not sure to be honest, I’ll inquire
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th | First Metal Artisan Collab Revealed!
Post by: badswimmeriam on Wed, 22 September 2021, 18:20:53
this is a nice set, not really sure why people say its the same as GMK cafe cause honestly its not. Your kitting is amazing and i just realized if you get a base kit and Dark Alphas, you could fit 2 boards! honestly im happy you switched to ePBT, the recent gmk delivery had quality issues with machining marks, and my recent ePBT grand tour were way better than bthe older ePBT sets. Wish you all the best, excited theres finally a date for this!
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th | First Metal Artisan Collab Revealed!
Post by: imivanh on Sun, 26 September 2021, 14:33:57
Quote from: milka158 on Sun, 19 September 2021, 05:38:46
Why is the Base Kit with Eloquent Clicks so expensive? Why is it not a 1:1 conversion like all other kits.

Quote from: balbin on Tue, 21 September 2021, 01:12:33
I also wonder why there is such a markup for the eu vendor? Compared to other currently running epbt sets

EU vendor has just updated their pricing to reflect a 1:1 conversion!

Quote from: badswimmeriam on Wed, 22 September 2021, 18:20:53
this is a nice set, not really sure why people say its the same as GMK cafe cause honestly its not. Your kitting is amazing and i just realized if you get a base kit and Dark Alphas, you could fit 2 boards! honestly im happy you switched to ePBT, the recent gmk delivery had quality issues with machining marks, and my recent ePBT grand tour were way better than bthe older ePBT sets. Wish you all the best, excited theres finally a date for this!

Thank You! The base kit and dark alphas were designed to be able to possibly fit two boards! We opted not to do a full dark base kit due to the crazy cost of doing a full reverses dye sub kit.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Begins Oct 4th, 2021 | THOK Artisan Revealed!
Post by: imivanh on Sun, 26 September 2021, 14:36:19
9/26/2021 Updates

- EU Vendor pricing adjusted
- THOK Collab revealed. This is a CNC Brass PVD coated artisan.

Basically everything is now ready for GB on Oct. 4th, 2021. A couple of vendors will give their final pricing a couple of days before the GB starts.
Title: Re: [IC] ePBT Timeless | GB Live!
Post by: imivanh on Tue, 12 October 2021, 18:54:51
1 week into group buy now! Here’s the link to the GB thread. All updates will be there from now on.

https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=114833