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I will be attending KeyCon 2017 in Philadelphia.

YES  :D
48 (31.4%)
No  :(
48 (31.4%)
Maybe  ^-^
43 (28.1%)
Maybe not  :-\
1 (0.7%)
I don't even know  :confused:
13 (8.5%)

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #350 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 21:15:33 »
Aaaand, the poll is up.  :)

You better be there man.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #351 on: Thu, 27 April 2017, 22:37:56 »
Aaaand, the poll is up.  :)

Thaaaank you  :-*

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #352 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 00:26:08 »
Aaaand, the poll is up.  :)

You better be there man.

Seconded

It wouldn't be Keycon without Hoff.
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #353 on: Fri, 28 April 2017, 09:06:18 »
Aaaand, the poll is up.  :)

You better be there man.

Seconded

It wouldn't be Keycon without Hoff.

:'(  Too many trips, not enough time...  :|  I would still love to be able to make it.  We'll seeeeeeee

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #354 on: Mon, 01 May 2017, 08:27:24 »
Is there any estimate of how many people this gathering would be? And do you guys think it is likely there would be a lot of Artisan trading going on?

I am definitely planning on some artisan trading/giveaways. Don't have that much, but I also don't switch my caps around much so its not like I need a lot.

Do we want to put together a list of boards people are bringing? It was nice for the last meetup I went to to see which boards/switches/caps aren't represented and pack accordingly.
    

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #355 on: Tue, 02 May 2017, 08:55:30 »
I am excited to attend.  Wish that my ZZ96 would arrive in time, but I guess that will be a treat for next year.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #356 on: Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:30:32 »
Hey, I know I'm new (and will forever be a lurker), but I live in Philly and am planning on attending. I thought it might be fun to get some posters screen printed if enough people are interested in having something to take home.

I like screen prints and screen printing. I like the subtractive color quality of screen printing and the results it can achieve. I quickly mocked up this concept tonight in my office. It's inspired by the famous "LOVE" statue by Robert Indiana. This concept uses four colors. If enough people like it I'll have a friend (who actually knows how to do this sort of thing) take this draft and remake it the right way, fix the colors, rework it, etc. For now, enjoy. Comments and critique are welcome. Remember, it's just a concept and while I think it would be fun to take this further and get them printed, if people aren't into it I won't be hurt about it.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #357 on: Tue, 02 May 2017, 22:43:39 »
Hey, I know I'm new (and will forever be a lurker), but I live in Philly and am planning on attending. I thought it might be fun to get some posters screen printed if enough people are interested in having something to take home.

I like screen prints and screen printing. I like the subtractive color quality of screen printing and the results it can achieve. I quickly mocked up this concept tonight in my office. It's inspired by the famous "LOVE" statue by Robert Indiana. This concept uses four colors. If enough people like it I'll have a friend (who actually knows how to do this sort of thing) take this draft and remake it the right way, fix the colors, rework it, etc. For now, enjoy. Comments and critique are welcome. Remember, it's just a concept and while I think it would be fun to take this further and get them printed, if people aren't into it I won't be hurt about it.

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I'm interested in this!

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #358 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 00:24:27 »
Very like.
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #359 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 07:30:36 »
Hey, I know I'm new (and will forever be a lurker), but I live in Philly and am planning on attending. I thought it might be fun to get some posters screen printed if enough people are interested in having something to take home.

I like screen prints and screen printing. I like the subtractive color quality of screen printing and the results it can achieve. I quickly mocked up this concept tonight in my office. It's inspired by the famous "LOVE" statue by Robert Indiana. This concept uses four colors. If enough people like it I'll have a friend (who actually knows how to do this sort of thing) take this draft and remake it the right way, fix the colors, rework it, etc. For now, enjoy. Comments and critique are welcome. Remember, it's just a concept and while I think it would be fun to take this further and get them printed, if people aren't into it I won't be hurt about it.

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I'm into it!

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #360 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 07:35:53 »
Is the time TBA?
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #361 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 07:55:08 »
Is the time TBA?

Events are taking place June 24th. People will be coming into town on the 23rd and filing out on the 25th so the main event is going to be bookended by hanging out.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #362 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 22:07:39 »
Is there a place to be announced? I want to start booking my trip but I'm not sure where to stay to be close to the venue.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #363 on: Wed, 03 May 2017, 22:21:53 »
Is there a place to be announced? I want to start booking my trip but I'm not sure where to stay to be close to the venue.

Hello,

Im late to the party and just now read about this. Where in Philly is it, and what is price of admission?
Sorry for the lateness. Id love to go as I live in northern VA.

Bartley Hall in Villanova

You don't need to pay for admission but in the past there's been an option to donate to help pay for the venue, I'm not sure if anything like this has been set up for 2017 yet.


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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #364 on: Thu, 04 May 2017, 00:13:35 »
Is there a place to be announced? I want to start booking my trip but I'm not sure where to stay to be close to the venue.

Hello,

Im late to the party and just now read about this. Where in Philly is it, and what is price of admission?
Sorry for the lateness. Id love to go as I live in northern VA.

Bartley Hall in Villanova

You don't need to pay for admission but in the past there's been an option to donate to help pay for the venue, I'm not sure if anything like this has been set up for 2017 yet.

Ah perfect, thank you!

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #365 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 12:12:03 »
Wow! Next month! Get your plans together if you haven't already!

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #366 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 17:42:29 »
Is there still plans for a Midwest caravan?
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #367 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 17:49:32 »
Is there still plans for a Midwest caravan?

Yep

Right now there's a few people from Chicago and Milwaukee driving together. However, being part of the caravan means you are available to take part in a Hoff kidnapping if he can't get time off work to come.
People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

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« Reply #368 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 21:11:55 »
However, being part of the caravan means you are available to take part in a Hoff kidnapping if he can't get time off work to come.

I'm okay with this.  :))

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« Reply #369 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 21:46:33 »
Is there still plans for a Midwest caravan?

Absolutely! We'll probably start getting more detailed logistics together closer to the event.

However, being part of the caravan means you are available to take part in a Hoff kidnapping if he can't get time off work to come.

I'm okay with this.  :))

You laugh like we're joking  :cool:

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« Reply #370 on: Tue, 09 May 2017, 21:47:13 »
Is there still plans for a Midwest caravan?

Absolutely! We'll probably start getting more detailed logistics together closer to the event.

However, being part of the caravan means you are available to take part in a Hoff kidnapping if he can't get time off work to come.

I'm okay with this.  :))

You laugh like we're joking  :cool:
Exactly
People in the 1980s, in general, were clearly just better than we are now in every measurable way.

The dumber the reason the more it must be done

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #372 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 19:24:29 »
I worked on the poster more tonight and am getting quotes from three screen printing shops. I've reduced it down to three colors; Grey, Blue and Red on Pink paper. Screens tend to run ~$40 each, with each "pull" of ink being ~$1. This makes the first poster cost ~$120, with each poster after that costing $3 (plus paper and ink). I'm going to round this up to $5 per poster as an estimate.

This means that if 20 people buy in the price per poster will be ~$11+tax.
If 30 people commit it would be ~$9+tax.

Because of that I'm going to hedge my bets and just put a price of $20 for people to commit. If we get enough people I'll drop the price accordingly to whatever quote I get.

I'm embedding a small version of the poster, but linking to the full size. Let me know if you're in or out by this upcoming Friday so I can decide whether or not I'm pulling the trigger on this.

Thanks!


http://modsandends.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/KeyCon-Poster-21070515-2.jpg

Mods, if this should be moved to its own thread, let me know. Also let me know if I should do a poll.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #373 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 20:52:21 »
I worked on the poster more tonight and am getting quotes from three screen printing shops. I've reduced it down to three colors; Grey, Blue and Red on Pink paper. Screens tend to run ~$40 each, with each "pull" of ink being ~$1. This makes the first poster cost ~$120, with each poster after that costing $3 (plus paper and ink). I'm going to round this up to $5 per poster as an estimate.

This means that if 20 people buy in the price per poster will be ~$11+tax.
If 30 people commit it would be ~$9+tax.

Because of that I'm going to hedge my bets and just put a price of $20 for people to commit. If we get enough people I'll drop the price accordingly to whatever quote I get.

I'm embedding a small version of the poster, but linking to the full size. Let me know if you're in or out by this upcoming Friday so I can decide whether or not I'm pulling the trigger on this.

Thanks!
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http://modsandends.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/KeyCon-Poster-21070515-2.jpg

Mods, if this should be moved to its own thread, let me know. Also let me know if I should do a poll.

I'm in!

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #374 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 20:54:39 »
I worked on the poster more tonight and am getting quotes from three screen printing shops. I've reduced it down to three colors; Grey, Blue and Red on Pink paper. Screens tend to run ~$40 each, with each "pull" of ink being ~$1. This makes the first poster cost ~$120, with each poster after that costing $3 (plus paper and ink). I'm going to round this up to $5 per poster as an estimate.

This means that if 20 people buy in the price per poster will be ~$11+tax.
If 30 people commit it would be ~$9+tax.

Because of that I'm going to hedge my bets and just put a price of $20 for people to commit. If we get enough people I'll drop the price accordingly to whatever quote I get.

I'm embedding a small version of the poster, but linking to the full size. Let me know if you're in or out by this upcoming Friday so I can decide whether or not I'm pulling the trigger on this.

Thanks!
Show Image


http://modsandends.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/KeyCon-Poster-21070515-2.jpg

Mods, if this should be moved to its own thread, let me know. Also let me know if I should do a poll.

I'm in as well

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #375 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 21:22:01 »
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« Reply #376 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 21:32:51 »
Man I really wish I could get to KeyCon this year! It's been too long! Instead of gotta go to my sisters graduation. :rolleyes: Next year for sure. :thumb:

EDIT: Also that poster is great!

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« Reply #377 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 21:34:35 »
Man I really wish I could get to KeyCon this year! It's been too long! Instead of gotta go to my sisters graduation. :rolleyes: Next year for sure. :thumb:

EDIT: Also that poster is great!

Damn :(

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« Reply #378 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 22:25:04 »
Damn :(
Yeah it's a bummer, but at least it means I can spend the money I was gonna use for travel on more 60% though. :))

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« Reply #379 on: Mon, 15 May 2017, 23:14:28 »
Damn :(
Yeah it's a bummer, but at least it means I can spend the money I was gonna use for travel on more 60% though. :))

I guess that's okay.

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« Reply #380 on: Tue, 16 May 2017, 07:36:23 »
I'm in for the poster
    

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« Reply #381 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 19:06:49 »
me looking at the calendar like


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« Reply #382 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 20:01:03 »
me looking at the calendar like

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It's getting so close! I really hope something doesn't get in the way of me going though.

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« Reply #384 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 20:14:34 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

I don't think there is a list but there should be one started.

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« Reply #385 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 21:25:36 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

I'm bringing a GON HHKB with 78g gat clears, 55g HHKB Pro 2, HHKB Pro 1, MA42, JD45, SKCM Blue V60, and my artisan collection.

I'll probably be leaving my extra keysets at home.
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« Reply #386 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 21:29:15 »
I worked on the poster more tonight and am getting quotes from three screen printing shops. I've reduced it down to three colors; Grey, Blue and Red on Pink paper. Screens tend to run ~$40 each, with each "pull" of ink being ~$1. This makes the first poster cost ~$120, with each poster after that costing $3 (plus paper and ink). I'm going to round this up to $5 per poster as an estimate.

This means that if 20 people buy in the price per poster will be ~$11+tax.
If 30 people commit it would be ~$9+tax.

Because of that I'm going to hedge my bets and just put a price of $20 for people to commit. If we get enough people I'll drop the price accordingly to whatever quote I get.

I'm embedding a small version of the poster, but linking to the full size. Let me know if you're in or out by this upcoming Friday so I can decide whether or not I'm pulling the trigger on this.

Thanks!
Show Image


http://modsandends.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/05/KeyCon-Poster-21070515-2.jpg

Mods, if this should be moved to its own thread, let me know. Also let me know if I should do a poll.

What's the status of this? As I am certainly in for one

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« Reply #387 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 21:33:30 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

HHKB BT, lubed purple sliders
Phantom build, SS plates, black walnut frame, lubed cherry browns
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« Reply #388 on: Tue, 23 May 2017, 22:49:08 »
What's the status of this? As I am certainly in for one

It's currently at the printer's and should be done this week. I'll send you a PM and add you to the buyer's list.

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« Reply #389 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 07:52:06 »
Is there a place to be announced? I want to start booking my trip but I'm not sure where to stay to be close to the venue.

Hello,

Im late to the party and just now read about this. Where in Philly is it, and what is price of admission?
Sorry for the lateness. Id love to go as I live in northern VA.

Bartley Hall in Villanova

You don't need to pay for admission but in the past there's been an option to donate to help pay for the venue, I'm not sure if anything like this has been set up for 2017 yet.

Wonder if we can update the OP with this information...

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #390 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 13:03:57 »
Really looking forward to meeting you all :D
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #391 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 16:43:05 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

Planning to bring MiniVan R2, Clueboard, Satan GH60, and a couple of ortholinears.
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« Reply #392 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 17:22:07 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

I'll be bringing a Varmilo VB87m with Gateron Clears

. . . and maybe a crazy switch tester board with 75+ switches if I can get it put together before the con.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #393 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 17:44:32 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

I'll be bringing a Varmilo VB87m with Gateron Clears

. . . and maybe a crazy switch tester board with 75+ switches if I can get it put together before the con.

Are you the one building the switch tester with like, every switch you can find? I'd be excited to see it even if it's a work in progress.

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #394 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 17:47:45 »
I'll be bringing a Varmilo VB87m with Gateron Clears

. . . and maybe a crazy switch tester board with 75+ switches if I can get it put together before the con.
That would be one hell of a switch tester.  :eek:

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« Reply #395 on: Wed, 24 May 2017, 19:24:46 »
Are you the one building the switch tester with like, every switch you can find? I'd be excited to see it even if it's a work in progress.

I'm making a switch tester with every currently manufactured switch . . . vintage Cherry's (and other vintage switches) will get their own tester. Alps style will make it on somewhere . . . but I haven't acquired any yet (and they aren't part of the ~75 switches I currently have). KBTalking is just rebranded Greetech, so it won't make it on . . . unless I'm mistaken about this. Neither will rapoo (rebranded Kailh) or Outelo (Outemu remolds).

Frankenswitches probably won't make it on . . . unless they're available in quantities that could be considered "manufactured", but they might get their own little section (like the Lanthanide or Actinide rows on the periodic table of elements.)

I thought that the board might be arranged with switch type (clicky, tactile, linear) arranged on the 'x' axis and actuation force on the y axis, but there are so many mx blue clones that they take up a ton of the board. At this point I'm thinking something like a periodic table of switches might be more useful, with weights, types and brands arranged in a way that ultimately still makes sense, but is less 1:1 related to their cartesian coordinates.

If I can get a decent prototype test board together I'll also design a poster to go with it.

If all goes well I'll start up a group buy to sell the combo, maybe complete with switches or empty as a treasure hunt for people . . . but first I have to finish the thing and decide if it's any good.

Offline att1cus

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #396 on: Fri, 26 May 2017, 08:55:33 »
is there / can we make a list of what people are bringing?

I have model F , G80-5000, NOS Honeywell Hall Effect, Model M Bolt-Modded etc

HHKB BT, lubed purple sliders
Phantom build, SS plates, black walnut frame, lubed cherry browns
X60, zeal60, zeal stabs, zealios 78g
M4-a
My artisans
A bunch of casting equipment

Feel free to add them here.  I'm planning to make blank place cards that people can grab and fill out their KB information at the con.

I'm bringing my custom CM Masterkeys Pro M (alu case, brown cherry) and my RS96 (cherry blues, SIP sockets with sky blue LED's)

I may also bring some of my first artisans for sale ;P

Offline jb

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #397 on: Fri, 26 May 2017, 12:04:43 »
Are newbies welcome? I just found this forum, and I'd like create my own custom keyboard.. Keycon looks like a great way to get my feet wet! I'm planning on driving from Chicago, but where is this all taking place exactly?

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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #398 on: Fri, 26 May 2017, 14:50:31 »
hey guys!  Please update post 1 with location and time (hours) information :)


« Last Edit: Fri, 26 May 2017, 19:36:01 by Binge »
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Re: KeyCon 2017!! --> DATE FINALIZED
« Reply #399 on: Fri, 26 May 2017, 16:13:59 »
Are newbies welcome?

Yep, we don't bite  :thumb:
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