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Title: Reflection XT FRL | Shipping now!
Post by: Farhandsome on Wed, 18 October 2023, 16:47:45
Reflection
An XT FRLTKL by Han Boards

(https://i.imgur.com/zFUK2PT.jpg)

Group Buy Page - Han Boards (USA) (https://hanboards.com/collections/reflection)
Group Buy Page - ProtoTypist (International) (https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-reflection-xt-frltkl-keyboard-kit)
GB Window: 10/20 - 11/20 (live on 10/20 at 11AM CST / 5PM BST)

Product Info Page (https://www.notion.so/hanboards/Reflection-9096c081b7c54fbf89682d508e540f52?pvs=4) | Han Boards Discord (https://discord.gg/8rHUHBcWgF) | ProtoTypist Discord (https://discord.gg/jFxyxUXYyr)

Design Summary

External

Reflection features a three-piece / three-tone design with a silver base, copper weight, and top color variants. It is an XT FRLTKL (basically a TKL with the F-row removed and a macro column on the side). The board features a large swept cut copper weight that follows the curve of the top piece side profile. The front of the board has a cherry lip of sorts - with the lip being the deepest in the middle and gently flowing into the chamfer on the side edges. There is a gentle cut on the sides and back of the board to give the perimeter some flair. Two engravings are present - one left justified on the back of the board and one on the underside of the board (see Inspiration). The mirrored engraving on the aluminum bottom is half the depth of the one of the copper weight to give the appearance of a “reflection”.

Internal

The board features an internal screw system to keep the weight design as clean as possible. The final screws will be black oxidized and recessed slightly below the plate to be as hidden as possible. The aluminum inner frame has an open bottom so the copper is effectively a through weight giving a nice contrast on both the bottom as well as the inside of the keyboard. The daughterboard is installed upside-down with the cable being colinear with the PCB molex connector eliminating the need to bend the jst cable in a channel. There are small press-fit bumpers placed next to the screw holes to eliminate any chance of case ping. There are no adhesives anywhere on the board so it can be unassembled fully.

Technical Specifications

(https://i.imgur.com/iXx2v6a.jpg)

General Details

Material (case): Sandblasted 6063 Aluminum
Material (weight): Sandblasted Clear-Coat Copper
Variants: WK and WKL
Weight: 7 lbs (3.2 kg)
Typing Angle: 7 deg
EKH: 23mm
Plate Options: Aluminum, Carbon Fiber, PP, POM - full/half options (determined by IC)
Colors: Green, Black, Brown, Silver, Sand

Layout

(https://i.imgur.com/Ks87l5E.png)
Solder

(https://i.imgur.com/sGMw9Oc.png)
Hotswap

Support

PCB Details

Type: Solder & Hotswap
Structure: 1.6mm FR4
Processor: STM32F072
Software: QMK/VIAL
Switch Type: MX
ESD Protection: Onboard Fuse
Daughterboard: Custom DB - based on UDB C3
Cable Type: Molex EZMate

Mounting Options

(https://i.imgur.com/tDqFKbs.png)
Gasket Plug Mount
The gasket plugs are secured into the plate tabs and the overall assembly is dropped into the bottom case. The top case is then placed over it. This should make for a more flexible typing experience.

(https://i.imgur.com/SzcqST4.png)
Burger O-Ring Top Mount
The plate is fixed to the top chassis using a screw and two small o-ring gasket pieces. This provides a stiffer typing experience overall.


Group Buy Details

Kit Contents

Extras

Schedule
The group buy will take place on October 20th and will end on November 20th.
Expected fulfillment is end of Q1 2024.

Price & Quantity
Pricing will be between $440 - $475 depending on configuration. See below image for details

(https://i.imgur.com/kVTT4j7.png)

Vendors

Content Line-up

Color Renders

(https://i.imgur.com/MUgrEvi.jpg)
Green (anodized)

(https://i.imgur.com/K2WDPEZ.jpg)
Black (anodized)

(https://i.imgur.com/o17pgox.jpg)
Brown (anodized)

(https://i.imgur.com/3yq3dqe.jpg)
Silver (anodized)

(https://i.imgur.com/E52p9l2.jpg)
Sand (e-coat)

Gallery

Final Prototype - Brown


(https://i.imgur.com/rGBxKHt.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/UdeUdsb.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/zNRpBxs.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/IQHv83M.jpg)

v2 Prototype - Sand

(https://i.imgur.com/9SrlyBk.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/hBehu73.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/rf1svbB.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1LwglEm.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/2yxN0Nx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/l0ofgSD.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DfFD4iz.jpg)

v1 Prototype - Green

(https://i.imgur.com/0VMvKHx.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/DXPHh2D.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/iCYHJLQ.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/7OxenfC.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/v0nIl2S.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/bXLrs1m.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/1hfVqWD.jpg)

Thank You
  • Jan, Nainaigogo, and MatthewDias for causing me great distress at all times
  • My friend MelghiDoodles (https://www.instagram.com/melghidoodles/?hl=en) for providing the art for the board
  • OCM for transforming the artwork to the keyboard world
  • Olivia (OJ Designs (https://ojdesigns.xyz/)) for the fantastic render work
  • Jan (https://www.instagram.com/jans_keebs/) (again) and CaptainSterling for the insane pictures
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: HoffmanMyster on Wed, 18 October 2023, 16:53:51
Approved :thumb:

PSA to prospective buyers:
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If you are unfamiliar with the Group Buy model, please read this primer - Group Buy FAQ / Buying Guidelines (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=77272.0)

This PSA is new and will become standard on all Group Buys moving forward. It is not posted on this GB in isolation and is not singling this organizer out in particular as someone to be wary of.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: warhopper on Wed, 18 October 2023, 17:09:25
Hell yeah, I'm so excited to see this in GB. Really knocked it out of the park in terms of design on this.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: masje on Fri, 20 October 2023, 03:29:40
Pretty keybort  :thumb:
GLWGB!
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: phinix on Fri, 20 October 2023, 04:13:25
Pretty but too expensive.
Nowadays we noticed many builds being for around $200-300, in recent years prices of high quality custom keyboard went down, proving that it is possible to have quality build for much less money.
$440 is just too much for this design - look at the QK80, Cycle7, phenomenal quality and design.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: iwobobul on Fri, 20 October 2023, 08:14:17
Quote from: phinix on Fri, 20 October 2023, 04:13:25
Pretty but too expensive.
Nowadays we noticed many builds being for around $200-300, in recent years prices of high quality custom keyboard went down, proving that it is possible to have quality build for much less money.
$440 is just too much for this design - look at the QK80, Cycle7, phenomenal quality and design.

Go get a QK80 then, I dare you.

What a stupid comment, really. You should then go and leave the same comment under every GB that is not a QK or TKD, because small batch manufacturers will never match the prices of manufacturing at scale. Should they all stop making things then? No more unique layouts, all hail QK80.

Also have a look at the size and weight comparison. Look at the honking weight on this board, it's a huge piece of copper, compared to processed sheet brass that QK or Cycle use. This one is 3.2kg while QK is what, 1.75?

The abscence of tacky golden badge should also count as something.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 08:23:52
Quote from: iwobobul on Fri, 20 October 2023, 08:14:17
Quote from: phinix on Fri, 20 October 2023, 04:13:25
Pretty but too expensive.
Nowadays we noticed many builds being for around $200-300, in recent years prices of high quality custom keyboard went down, proving that it is possible to have quality build for much less money.
$440 is just too much for this design - look at the QK80, Cycle7, phenomenal quality and design.

Go get a QK80 then, I dare you.

What a stupid comment, really. You should then go and leave the same comment under every GB that is not a QK or TKD, because small batch manufacturers will never match the prices of manufacturing at scale. Should they all stop making things then? No more unique layouts, all hail QK80.

Also have a look at the size and weight comparison. Look at the honking weight on this board, it's a huge piece of copper, compared to processed sheet brass that QK or Cycle use. This one is 3.2kg while QK is what, 1.75?

The abscence of tacky golden badge should also count as something.
This^

Small batch production can't compete on price.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Fri, 20 October 2023, 08:30:58
Quote from: phinix on Fri, 20 October 2023, 04:13:25
Pretty but too expensive.
Nowadays we noticed many builds being for around $200-300, in recent years prices of high quality custom keyboard went down, proving that it is possible to have quality build for much less money.
$440 is just too much for this design - look at the QK80, Cycle7, phenomenal quality and design.

I understand where you're coming from, but as others have mentioned, it's hard to keep prices at down at a low MOQ (50 for this GB). I'd love to keep things more affordable but as with all more customized products, the market is undoubtedly smaller. I'm hoping this targets the folks who are interested in trying a unique layout and design :thumb:

I will hope to make a more affordable design in the future depending on the success of this GB!
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: HubertThemad on Fri, 20 October 2023, 09:23:10
GLWGB!!!!

Extremely tempted by this, such a banger board in aesthetics, specs, you name it.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:12:54
Did the brown prototype arrive? If so, I am not seeing the brown prototype amongst the gallery.

Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:39:35
Quote from: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:12:54
Did the brown prototype arrive? If so, I am not seeing the brown prototype amongst the gallery.

The brown prototype is in! We didn't get to take dedicated shots of it yet, but you can see it in the first image in the GB post as well as a couple more in the Discord and Notion pages.

Alexotos will be building the brown one this Sunday.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:45:36
Quote from: Farhandsome on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:39:35
Quote from: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:12:54
Did the brown prototype arrive? If so, I am not seeing the brown prototype amongst the gallery.

The brown prototype is in! We didn't get to take dedicated shots of it yet, but you can see it in the first image in the GB post as well as a couple more in the Discord and Notion pages.

Alexotos will be building the brown one this Sunday.
Ah thanks. So the first photo is of the prototypes, nice :)
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Fri, 20 October 2023, 11:01:18
The GB is now live!

USA Group Buy Page (https://hanboards.com/collections/reflection)
International Group Buy Page (https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-reflection-xt-frltkl-keyboard-kit)

I hope you will consider Reflection for your next purchase  :D

(https://i.imgur.com/ronmkYG.jpg)
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: iwobobul on Mon, 23 October 2023, 13:25:06
Quote from: firstworldproblems on Fri, 20 October 2023, 10:12:54
Did the brown prototype arrive? If so, I am not seeing the brown prototype amongst the gallery.

Brown was built by alexotos on stream. He unfortunately went with very safe keycap set for it. Still looked nice
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Tue, 24 October 2023, 09:15:59
The Alexotos vod is up! (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1957644703)

It's a good look at the brown variant since we don't have too many photos of it.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: sketch3v on Tue, 24 October 2023, 09:29:43
Not a big fan of this layout, but the seamless design looks absolutely fantastic.  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 30 October 2023, 13:48:00
Eleagnifolia's vod is up! (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1961245299)

Amazing job to her for running a marathon stream and capturing sound tests for every config! (sans foam)

Reflection Sound Tests - all built w/ Zaku switches & GMK keycaps
Alu Plate, Top Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/BraveSavoryPeanutTheThing-bzhRpK4-q8VHZmKa)
Alu Plate, Gasket Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/TiredAltruisticSamosaNotATK-CESHm25CLtKwG0y4)
CF Plate, Top Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/TolerantFlaccidCurlewPrimeMe-d0l_AD8boTU1HArh)
CF Plate, Gasket Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/VictoriousInterestingRamenDansGame-B5DVvc01eOvofLyV)
PP Plate, Top Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/UglyHelpfulRutabagaTwitchRaid-AGw4wIKr-klehCMw)
PP Plate, Gasket Mount (https://clips.twitch.tv/ShakingSweetHumanPermaSmug-yFRImMdUZoH9USWB)

Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Wed, 01 November 2023, 10:13:22
LightningKeyboard's vod is up! (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1964608633)

Check out his sound tests with some Cherry reds:

Reflection Sound Test - Alu Gasket Mount w/ Cherry Reds (https://clips.twitch.tv/MuddyMiniaturePuppyRaccAttack-4bjKKLXpoBbVne4W)
Reflection Sound Test - Alu Top Mount w/ Cherry Reds (https://clips.twitch.tv/VastSpunkyBisonSSSsss-Myj5WemV7SeCw-EQ)
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 06 November 2023, 08:55:25
Kimlynnwin's vod is up! (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1967598331)

Halfway through the GB and numbers look great! Thank you for all the support so far :thumb:

Will be getting some pics of the brown colorway up today or tomorrow.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Tue, 07 November 2023, 12:45:52
Added some photos of the brown colorway to the main post.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: LogLab on Tue, 07 November 2023, 15:07:41
This looks sick. Idk if I just missed it, but what does the engraving say?
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Wed, 08 November 2023, 09:14:01
Quote from: LogLab on Tue, 07 November 2023, 15:07:41
This looks sick. Idk if I just missed it, but what does the engraving say?

Ah yes, I added the "inspiration" section in the IC but not the GB - it says "reflection" in Bangla  :)
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Thu, 09 November 2023, 09:45:10
CaptainSterling's review video is up! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QlwjrtBMz1s&ab_channel=CaptainSterling)

Another great look at the brown unit.
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Fri, 10 November 2023, 19:00:40
Nainaigogo's vod is live! (https://www.twitch.tv/nainaigogo)

As well as a sound test she did with MX browns and GMK caps! (https://youtu.be/O2fCA-BMsmE?si=L4VW2GXHwxkzOCmN)
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 13 November 2023, 09:05:44
Xinxinwong's VOD is up! (https://www.twitch.tv/videos/1975101366)

There is one week left in the group buy! Be sure to get yours before the 20th  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB Live 10/20 - 11/20
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 20 November 2023, 10:46:39
And lastly, a summary video by XXW! (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hcaz7jiRI4k&ab_channel=xinxinwong)

The GB will be closing tonight at 9pm! Be sure to get your orders in before then  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB closed!
Post by: Farhandsome on Tue, 21 November 2023, 17:18:42
The GB is closed as of yesterday evening! We blew past MOQ which is amazing and I wanted to thank all the participants for making this project come to a reality. I will be providing regular updates in here on fulfillment timeline and updates on production!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB closed!
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 04 December 2023, 10:58:17
Update - 12/4/2023

Hello! I updated in the Discord, but forgot to post here -


Feel free to join the Discord for the most up to date real time updates!
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB closed!
Post by: Farhandsome on Sat, 30 December 2023, 10:09:44
Update - 12/30/2023

Feel free to join the Discord for a real-time updated timeline, but here's the end of the year update!


Have a great New Year  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB closed!
Post by: Farhandsome on Mon, 05 February 2024, 10:10:41
Update - 1/31/2024

Feel free to join the Discord for a real-time updated timeline, but here's the January month-end update!


The GH updates are a little delayed as I forget to cross post haha. Discord always has the real time announcements!  :thumb:
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | GB closed!
Post by: Farhandsome on Tue, 19 March 2024, 15:25:56
Update - 3/18/2024

Feel free to join the Discord for a real-time updated timeline, but here's an update!

Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | Shipping now!
Post by: Farhandsome on Tue, 16 April 2024, 17:39:00
Update - 4/16/2024

Feel free to join the Discord for a real-time updated timeline, but here's an update!

Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | Shipping now!
Post by: BloodyEvilWings on Tue, 16 April 2024, 20:41:13
Really cool design! Is GB still open now?
Title: Re: Reflection XT FRL | Shipping now!
Post by: twitchytheinsideman on Wed, 17 April 2024, 04:12:11
Quote from: BloodyEvilWings on Tue, 16 April 2024, 20:41:13
Really cool design! Is GB still open now?

No. GB was live 10/20 - 11/20.
But I suppose you might be able to secure extras.