So, umm... Yuri? :))
Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/iDJRF0c.png)
It is now gmk too :))
I think that this without cyrillic is the current plan:Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/0Cq3LvE.png)
So, umm... Yuri? :))Are the alphas on Yuri white? Or am I blind? They look kind of blue and not white to me.
why flames?
why not Pyro?
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.why flames?
why not Pyro?
Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.why flames?
why not Pyro?
Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.why flames?
why not Pyro?
Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Ember, Inferno, Blaze, Lava, or Magma? Pls.
I like the change from Pyro. If we kept going with Hydro and Pyro, what would the grass set be called? :p
I like the change from Pyro. If we kept going with Hydro and Pyro, what would the grass set be called? :p
This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.
Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.
Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.
I think at a glance Yuri and Flames might look somewhat similar. But after a proper comparison of the renders, the color tones of both sets are actually very different.
To me, Yuri has a somewhat blueish hue and the orange is very different from the red used in Flames.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.why flames?
why not Pyro?
Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
Maybe since "Hydro"pump was the first drop this one is "Flame"thrower? Not too sure. Interested in what the novelties will look like.why flames?
why not Pyro?
Whoa, that's weird. Wasn't the name Pyro at one point? Didn't even realize the name change.
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon :))
This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.
Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.
Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.
Vote for GMK KGB. Already I put on the table vodka, balalaika and pull to saddle bear))))This is how red alert should be in my opinion. So its red alert v2 or red alert improved :) Though it uses the same color way rule as Yuri but its only the rule.
Alternative names could be:
GMK KGB(probably to political), DefCon (western red alert actually), Scorched, Foxbat (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-25), Fox, Molten Core (though it would need orange accents for this) etc.
Overall no matter the name, this design here is red alert for me and i like it.
Glad to see you like it T0m! Means a lot mate.
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon :))First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.
i think this gmk like a gmk carbon :))First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.
I see Carbon more so than Yuri. The red really sets it apart from Carbon though.i think this gmk like a gmk carbon :))First it looks like Yuri now it looks like Carbon..? I personally don't see the resemblance at all.
Looks like GMK Carbon to me at first glance.
Not saying that's a good or bad thing.
Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?
So, if we bought two hydro, can we exchange one of the hydro for this :)Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?
Yessir. Identical pricing scheme.
I think the compatibility and color combos with it are fantastic and I wouldn't change a thing about it :).
So, if we bought two hydro, can we exchange one of the hydro for this :)Knowing that it will have the same amount of keys as Hydro, do you think that the price will be similar as well?
Yessir. Identical pricing scheme.
I think the compatibility and color combos with it are fantastic and I wouldn't change a thing about it :).
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This better be a GB after the XDA finished, or else you destroy my wallet :)) :))
That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
There are currently no GMK keycap sets with NORDE support out there. Any set that offers this support at this point will receive a lot of interest from these countries. Many people there have long been waiting for a keycap set in their locale and never found one. Many of them stopped looking or switched to ANSI. I am trying to collect as many of them as possible and draw their attention to the GBs that support their locale layout.
With the help of buyers from NORDE countries, it might be possible to reach 250MOQ. This price drop would pay for the ISO-Essential keycaps.
Any GB participant who might not be interested in the ISO-Essential keycaps himself will still benefit from a better resell value of his keycaps. The few GMK keycap sets with international support will continue to be in high demand by all those looking for a localized set.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.
Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.
No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.
No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
When I marked the keys out I just selected the ones that less than 50% would buy as part of a GB, if given choice, based on previous GBs which had higher fidelity in the kit contents than is typically possible on a GMK buy. At 25~40% you could add numpad, then the rest is difficult to ascertain, as they are typically bundled even in SP GBs due to their low volume. Qualifier for winkeyless can sometimes be determined if 7U spacebars are sold only separately and for example on granite R4 winkeyless would be qualified at under 8%, which is already marginally lower than the qualifier for uk+international at 9%.
I have noticed that you are against adding locale specific keys. I am for adding them, if that was unclear.Great that you are thinking globally! Maybe Europe will fit in your world some day.I'm merely pointing out that it is a fallacy adding keys that most do not need, while using the same rhetoric for justifying the exclusion of others. By your response, the removal of HHKB backspace should come as a given, as a stepped capslock is more popular. A fair resolution would be to have a 'need/dont need' poll for all keys and set the bar at a certain qualifier, but do note that there are more ISO users than HHKB backspace users.I'm not trying to be offensive, but based on previous large SP group buys and how well certain kits sell, the same can be said for the keys marked with red in the following illustration. These keys also cost a lot more than 15$ to include. I used 50% of the buyers as the qualifier.That's a very nice and distinctive coloring scheme and I am very interested.
This is why I would like to bring the ISO-Essentials kit to your attention that was specifically designed with GMK base kits in mind:Show Image(https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85609.0)
With just 30 1u keycaps you can add support for five languages that have a strong presence in the keyboard community (ISO-UK, German, Danish, Swedish, Norwegian):Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/XAmS4py.png)
If you were planning to keep the same caps from the GMK Hydro GB, it's actually only 25 additional 1u keys you need to accomplish this since 5 of the keys are already included in HYDRO. The markup should be less than 15$ according to GMK.
I am currently building a mailing list of users from these countries, also looking into their national communities that are not DT, GH or /r/mk, and actively advertise all GBs that include ISO-Essentials keycaps to them:
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0 (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=85823.0)
I definitely see your concern with the ISO-essentials kits and such.
In no way am I trying to exclude those keys, but by adding those keys, the cost goes up $15.00 to at least 150 people, and while there are ISO users there, I believe that the cost is hard to justify for many people who will not use those keys.
(Attachment Link)
There are more users who will use the keys marked in red than those who will use ISO-only keys. You have people in the Asian market as well who rely on many of the keys marked in red but who will not use the ISO-essentials keys. The ISO ones included already will provide for the basic ISO layout, but you won't have the keys required for specific languages.
I know that it is easy to think that you could someday find use for specialized keys for specific layouts, while you can never think of yourself using keys of a different locale.
No, I'm thinking more globally. You eliminated the num pad keys, as well as a few others required for Winkeyless boards, which many more in Asian countries and other parts of the world use. For the ISO-specific ones, you have users located primarily in certain European countries who will use them only. In many of the previous keyset runs, the language-specific kits usually fall way behind (I remember Trouble Minds as one I joined which had trouble accumulating orders for that kit, and that was even on Massdrop).
Of course, it could be that jchan is thinking that the language kits won't be as successful as if he were running the set on Massdrop, which brings in a lot more traffic than Keyclack.
When I marked the keys out I just selected the ones that less than 50% would buy as part of a GB, if given choice, based on previous GBs which had higher fidelity in the kit contents than is typically possible on a GMK buy. At 25~40% you could add numpad, then the rest is difficult to ascertain, as they are typically bundled even in SP GBs due to their low volume. Qualifier for winkeyless can sometimes be determined if 7U spacebars are sold only separately and for example on granite R4 winkeyless would be qualified at under 8%, which is already marginally lower than the qualifier for uk+international at 9%.
The insult is unnecessary.
As for the keys, those are the keys that are bundled as standard with most GMK sets. You marked off a good deal of them which many nowadays come as part of the main kit. My intention was never to add the ISO-specific sets, but a retort of your removal of many of the keys which are now considered part of the main kit in many, if not all, of the recent GMK GBs. There are far many more users of Winkeyless and full-size keyboards in this hobby than there are of language-specific kits. Or perhaps that's just the vocal majority; I'm basing my view on the pictures I've seen on geekhack, /r/mechanicalkeyboards, Massdrop, and Slack. (I don't frequent deskthority as much these days, so I can't gauge my opinion on that. However, when I did browse there frequently they seemed more inclined to older keyboards and keysets than modern sets (save, of course, for 7bit's stuff).)
For the extras, those are based on jchan's personal preference for his set.
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.
You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.
You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
I'm well aware of what previous gmk sets have comprised of. I would not be voicing my opinion if I did not want a slight change to it.Without meaning to prolong the discussion... NORDE is just not popular enough as per the numbers ran by every buy of the last x amount of time. It's a shame because I'm all for inclusion, I reside in an ISO country as well as I've stated elsewhere (though I use ANSI) but it's about cost/efficiency. You're not going to impose an extra $15 or 20 or however much is necessary to cover NORDE and such specific layouts, you cannot do that whilst being cost efficient. The cash things like a numpad pull in (and would pull out if removed) on the other hand is sizeable compared to Norwegian keys for example, if there's a choice to be made the choice will err on the side of the majority, so long as there has to be a choice you will not be able to sway that but with numbers.I wonder what is the price of the 1.5-1-1.5-7-1.5-1-1.5 bottom row? From the granite R4 analysis it seems that it is about as popular as norde-uk would be.
You're in the minority if you're using any kind of ISO, that's indisputable, big part of it surely being that paying import tax/large shipping fees on things that come from outside of the EU - you can't change that, and so long as the minority is so minute it's not going to happen. No one would oppose to it if the costs were $0, no one's against helping others I would assume (or hope), but they are not.
It's my assumption, from my time being here and other keyboard forums, that Winkeyless is more popular than any ISO kit; you have people in ISO using 7u space bars, as well as all over the rest of the world. You have to remember that Granite was in its fourth run at the time, so it may be that people already picked up the main kits in earlier rounds. I remember the thread for Granite in its latest round and there were many who were joining simply to pick up any odd child packs they didn't already obtain in earlier rounds.
GMK sets cannot be compared easily to how SP sets are broken and run. GMK standard main packs are very similar to what's being done in this IC--not much more, not much less.
I really like the original mock up. Red print over over orange.
Can we also get nibbed F and J keys as well??
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)Needs some nordic ISO love, otherwise a great looking set! :thumb:
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
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Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?
Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps. :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
I like!
Will there be scooped F and Js?
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?
Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps. :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
I like!
Will there be scooped F and Js?
Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.
Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?
Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps. :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
I like!
Will there be scooped F and Js?
Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.
Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D
Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
White and gray both look good to me. Hydro had gray legends, why not go with white this time?
Also good job with the fat arrows on the 1.5u R2 and 1u R1 Backspace caps. :thumb:
I prefer them to the standard slimmer arrows on smaller caps not large enough to accommodate the arrow and the "Backspace" legend.Got a GMK render back right now and updated the thread :)
Edit:
Looks like they put white legends on the addon color mods. What do you think of them ?
I like!
Will there be scooped F and Js?
Yes, F and J are scooped and also include barred versions.
Ah yes, I think we'll change it to the N9 keys then for consistency :D
Hi jchan, for this particular colour scheme, I certainly think White on Red looks much better than N9 on Red, I understand the desire to maintain consistency between sets but in this case white looks better. Although I would still like to see the mockup with N9 on red, just to see how it would fit in with the whole set
More news to come as we press and finalize the novelty designs.
Is it going to be more orange like the GMK mockup or more red like the renders done by Zan? Upon closer inspection it seems more orange than I remember anyways....anywho looks good!
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOOShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/bp2UDycezn9cY/giphy.gif)
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOOShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/bp2UDycezn9cY/giphy.gif)
Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOOShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/bp2UDycezn9cY/giphy.gif)
Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!
oh man...this is the first I hear of a possible zelda set...
@_@ sounds like a dream
People are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOOShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/bp2UDycezn9cY/giphy.gif)
Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!
Hylian alphas are the dreamPeople are crazy for hydro and im just here like...... PYRRROOOOOOOShow Image(https://media.giphy.com/media/bp2UDycezn9cY/giphy.gif)
Hydro is definitely my favorite GMK set, but I may have to get this and the Zelda-themed one so I have all three sets!
oh man...this is the first I hear of a possible zelda set...
@_@ sounds like a dream
Well, it started as the complementary set to Hydro and Pyro, but didn't work as well as he wanted, so now it's looking like a Hylian theme.Show Image(https://i.gyazo.com/475d2342d7258705c9b9da098c88daca.png)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=84258.msg2246721#msg2246721
Hylian alphas are the dream
Novelties almost done.
Maybe sometime next week I'll post them :).
Hi everyone,
I'm updating the kit for this set :). I've already asked GMK for it already, and here are the changes from the current GMK render:
1) All Legends: RO2
2) Change Caps Lock to Caps Lock w/ LED.
3) Change 1x Alt (for each size) to Alt Gr
4) Add Stepped Control Cap.
Have a good one! :D
This may be soon^Soon^SOOON^TM
Thought for sure this was a Pokémon set like Hydro. Novelties still look pretty awesome though!
I like volcano+Phoenix+fire on bottom right
No complaints here man. Love the volcano and the Phoenix. It's a surprisingly nice looking colorway for me. I'm usually a blue all the way guy but the red looks nice.Thought for sure this was a Pokémon set like Hydro. Novelties still look pretty awesome though!
Tried to do it! But it was very difficult.
Hi Everyone!
Here are the novelties for GMK Pyro.
We'll have a much smaller novelty pack this time around.
We will not be going with the dragon, and the Chinese lantern. Still looking to see which ones I'm going to go with other than that.
I'm thinking the chinese character of fire + Volcano + bottom right fire. Thoughts?Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/2qhJTJw.png)
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
Sorry, but no! D:
Just updated the layout with a render from GMK.
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.
it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet
The 'problem' here is that you are comparing non-profit and for-profit group buys. If you think that the prices are too high consider running a non-profit buy yourself. The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.
the biggest problem is double import fees + shipping probably
the german gb was 135€ while plum currently runs at about 220€ for base + international addon with tax + import duty included for me (probably even worse for others)
i would still pay it but unfortunatly and also understandably most dont :(
it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet
The 'problem' here is that you are comparing non-profit and for-profit group buys. If you think that the prices are too high consider running a non-profit buy yourself. The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.Is it planned to have an international kit as well?
Like the one from the "plum" set?
With plum selling over 1000 sets, they are below 40 kits right now for the international set, it's unfortunate but the sad reality is those kits seem to be pretty much impossible with GMK unless the kit is specifically made for that one international setup like that one German GB run.
the biggest problem is double import fees + shipping probably
the german gb was 135€ while plum currently runs at about 220€ for base + international addon with tax + import duty included for me (probably even worse for others)
i would still pay it but unfortunatly and also understandably most dont :(
it would be more likely to hit moq if it was shipped directly from a european outlet
Damn, I wasnt aware that the sales for the int. kit where this low :/
The double import fees is the main reason I didnt try to buy GMK sets in the past.
I live about 100Km from the GMK Headquaters and have the keycaps shipped thousands of kilometers.. that just seems stupid.
I noticed a German Vendor trying to establish a european keyboard/keycaps shop, but unfortunately I dindnt save the page. Does anyone know which shop that might have been? He was based in Munich I believe.
The import fees from ETA to USA are minimal and MD, keyclack et al do not charge VAT for international orders.
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buysI think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.
GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buysI think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.
So if two people will be receiving, each person has to have paid for their respective allocation?GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buysI think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.
The person receiving, even if multiple shipments, must have paid for those sets, if that makes sense.
So if two people will be receiving, each person has to have paid for their respective allocation?GMK only allows shipping to one address as well iirc, so you can't start a buy and split the shipments between various proxies directly from GMK anyways, tough reality of group buysI think GMK actually allows you to ship out to multiple addresses, although maybe that's only for certain instances. I believe that's how jchan handled shipments of European orders for GMK Hydro. I believe he had someone in Europe act as a proxy.
The person receiving, even if multiple shipments, must have paid for those sets, if that makes sense.
I like the darker legends more.
Totaly unrelated, does anyone know anything about this render?
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I found through google image search and have no idea if anything like it exists.
I like the darker legends more.
Totaly unrelated, does anyone know anything about this render?
(Attachment Link)
I found through google image search and have no idea if anything like it exists.
Hey any updates to this? I'm super excited for this set, it'll be my first GMK set! :D
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first
P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!
You'll see it so soon. I can almost taste it.
Some small quirks gotta get worked out about the kit and it's offered pricing. Trying to hit around $130 or so for it without killing compatibility
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first
P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!
Unless you have one of the variants of colour deficiency syndrome (colour-blindness), these two sets do not even have any colours in common. Yuri is Orange legends on dark and light blue, this set is red legends on white and dark grey.
What is the difference between Pyro and Yuri? sorry im too lazy to go through all the comments......If they are the same probably gonna join this if this set hits the market first
P/s Nvm i saw the newest render!
Unless you have one of the variants of colour deficiency syndrome (colour-blindness), these two sets do not even have any colours in common. Yuri is Orange legends on dark and light blue, this set is red legends on white and dark grey.
Here is a side-by-side comparison. The pic from Yuri is from the massdrop page (cropped, otherwise unedited). The pyro pic I'm sure you've seen before, also cropped but otherwise unedited.
Personally from these pictures it's a little hard to tell the difference but I'm sure the difference is instantly apparently irl.Show Image(http://i.imgur.com/nyWjWUN.png)
afaik, yuri is a dark 'navy' blue and red/orange accents. pyro is red and dark gray.
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.
As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.
As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.
I love this color scheme. Really hope this set comes to fruition.
As an aside, it saddens me that there is so little interest in any sort of red GMK set. Blue, green and orange all get their time, but never red.
jchan is bringing GMK Forge with Ryu soon! Don't be sad :D
What's this GMK Electric?
That looks really nice.
Any plans for something like GMK TA Royal Alpha as well?
I'd love me some Royal Alpha stuff...
Bring back the OG stuff!
I like the GMK Black on White that someone is bringing.
I am not sure if this was addressed already but what will be the final colours of the accents?
The GMK renders seem to be orange and the Zambumon renders look more red. Which one is closer to the final product?
Hey any updates to this? I'm super excited for this set, it'll be my first GMK set! :D
You'll see it so soon. I can almost taste it.
Some small quirks gotta get worked out about the kit and it's offered pricing. Trying to hit around $130 or so for it without killing compatibility