So.. basically handerbeit in horizontal rows? I like the idea behind it but not really a creative set.
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hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
If I'll have vendors, I'll talk with them about thishey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
Why wouldn't it be possible?
hey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
Okay I'll try my besthey, just wanted to check, are proceeds going towards any particular LGBTQ+ rights organizations/charity funds? That would be a pretty admirable and practical way to support the queer community. Call me cynical, but it might raise some questions from some if you run a GB to support those who are LGBTQ+, but then turn around and keep all profit for personal use.Hey I'm thinking of this, don't know if it's really possible
It's absolutely possible. You work with vendors who support the idea, then you take all the profits and instead of keeping them you give them to charity.
I think the term "gender equality" means something else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality
I think the term "gender equality" means something else: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_equality
Suggestions:
1. Designate a charity that you're passionate about supporting and send your proceeds to this. It's been done in other sets and seems to be appropriate here (at least how you've setup the backstory)
2. A better name for this might be GMK Pride
3. Don't think the novelties are on point, or needed imo
Not lgbtq+, yet plans to profit from them. Novelties seem super ignorant too. Ohhh boy.I think their heart’s in the right place; they’re just lacking in the execution.
I'm sure there's no ill intent at play, but the sum of a lot of what's laid out (the original name, the novelties, the "they're hated", etc) just turns out pretty uncomfortable to be honest.
Possibly a silly idea, and not sure if/how it'd drive up costs, but maybe instead of plain white lettering you could use the white/pink/cyan/brown/black from a "modern pride flag" -- either assigning a specific letter color to each keycap color (pink on blue, brown on yellow, etc), or try to emulate the "chevron" pattern in some way.Thank you for a good idea, I'll tryShow Image(https://cms.qz.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/06/new-pride-flag-01.jpg?quality=75&strip=all&w=1400)
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them
Well, it's not much of a support if the money goes into his pocket. In general profiting off of support for a marginalised group one doesn't belong to without any of the money going to that group is... not the best, or rather it's less supporting someone and more profiting off of their marginalisation.Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them
Ahhhhh a LGBT set by a non lgbt who is seeking their acceptance. Surprised this didn’t happen until 2020i don't think that's a problem tho, he just want to support them
this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community
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this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community
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I would like to see what someone who is actually an LGBTQ+ person thinks about the novelties.
As a gay person myself, I think the novelties are lacking a lot. The out and proud is okay but the man, woman, and then gender neutral symbols remind me of a bathroom stall. I think there's a lot more to the LGBTQ+ community then just the fact that we are attracted to the same gender. There's a lot of vibrant culture and art and I think if you should get a queer artist to design some novelties that better represent us and the joy of PRIDE. I think overall from design, execution, proceeds, this needs to involve actual queer people. I appreciate that your heart is in the right place but it's reading a bit off and bit of a saviour complex to me
Possibly a silly idea, and not sure if/how it'd drive up costs, but maybe instead of plain white lettering you could use the white/pink/cyan/brown/black from a "modern pride flag" -- either assigning a specific letter color to each keycap color (pink on blue, brown on yellow, etc), or try to emulate the "chevron" pattern in some way.
I would like to see what someone who is actually an LGBTQ+ person thinks about the novelties.
this seems like a blatant cash grab on top of exploiting the lgbtq community
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totally 1000% agree. The fact that this set dosnt contribute any funds to any sort of charity out the gate is a huge red flag.
However I will say that whether or not OP is LGTBQ shouldnt matter at all if hes making this keycap set. "You can only participate in pride if you're one of us" is such a stupid thiughtprocess and not how you advance your cause
As a gay person myself, I think the novelties are lacking a lot. The out and proud is okay but the man, woman, and then gender neutral symbols remind me of a bathroom stall. I think there's a lot more to the LGBTQ+ community then just the fact that we are attracted to the same gender. There's a lot of vibrant culture and art and I think if you should get a queer artist to design some novelties that better represent us and the joy of PRIDE. I think overall from design, execution, proceeds, this needs to involve actual queer people. I appreciate that your heart is in the right place but it's reading a bit off and bit of a saviour complex to me
Hey OP, appreciate the attempt at an LGBTQ+ themed key set. A set like this would be great for introducing new people into the community.
However, looking at the novelties and your description, I think you should learn more about the LGBTQ+ community and make revisions. It doesn’t look good on the keyboard community if we are to support and release a set like this as it shows we don’t know much about the cause and communities we’re trying to support.
The LGBTQ+ community is quite diverse and there are a lot of complicated issues involved. The novelties especially may alienate people who identify as trans or non-binary, and the lack of colours for other identities such as transgender and asexual leaves those groups out.
I’m not familiar with resources you can use, but the 519 Community Centre in Toronto, Canada has been useful for me: https://www.the519.org/education-training/glossary
1.) LGBTQ+ issues aside, I have a significant plagiarism concern. Signature Plasics has for a long time made a set called "DSA 'Rainbow." This is the exact same layout of keycap colors with white double-shot legends instead of black sublimation. I do realize, as has been said in other IC's, that similarity is inevitable as there are only so many colors and we will eventually reach a point where there aren't many new color combinations. That being said, whether intentional or not, this is extremely similar to the Signature Plastics set in a way that makes me a little uncomfortable.
The novelties especially may alienate people who identify as trans or non-binary, and the lack of colours for other identities such as transgender and asexual leaves those groups out.
Personally, I think we got trolled here. One week old account this was the third post and the first two were a single sentence or totally redacted. IC was so off base in so many ways, it reminded me of the Simpsons thread.You could be right. I find it really hard to tell though; I think the same about a large % of ICs I see, and they always turn out to be serious.
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You could be right. I find it really hard to tell though; I think the same about a large % of ICs I see, and they always turn out to be serious.
I am not going to suggest that you completely scrap the set. Keep working on it because you may find a solution to these problems. BUT... if I were someone that wanted to add Pride material to the community, another idea would be like a nice peripheral bundle. Pride deskmats, artisans with like an enamel pride flag, custom cables, some nice vinyl stickers. I think those would be an awesome accent that can coordinate with a lot of keebs, keycaps and desks. Especially since a lot of people have RGB lol. And those items have a lot higher profit margins so a greater amount can be donated to Pride organizations while leaving a little left for yourself for your time and effort. Something to think about.
With anything that starts off on footing this wrong, it's better to just scrap the idea and start over with something that you have more familiarity with, and has less in the way of potential cultural landmines for the uninitiated.
So, something like this ended up being controversial. Who would have guessed?With anything that starts off on footing this wrong, it's better to just scrap the idea and start over with something that you have more familiarity with, and has less in the way of potential cultural landmines for the uninitiated.
Agreed ^
BTW, what was the original name?
I don't think it's unreasonable to assume a set is being designed to not be sold at a loss unless stated otherwise (and marginalised people don't get the luxury of always assuming the best of people). Charities having running costs isn't really an argument against giving them money, especially since you can do research and choose ones with low overhead. Is money the only way to support? No! But I see people talking about awareness and I have to ask: Awareness of what? Is this set raising awareness of the current situation in Poland? The disproportionate homelessness and suicide rate among trans youth? The high rates of domestic abuse against bisexuals? ....
And props to Blamby for being willing to listen and take all the criticism into consideration. I know it can feel really bad to have an idea torn down when all you want to do is help, but willingness to listen and prioritise the voices of the people you're an ally to over your own feelings is a sign of a good ally (and generally a good person). Also I really like the new renders, they make the set look great and I really hope it makes it into GB phase and is successful. The start might have been bit rocky but I think this set has managed to recover well and is turning into something most of us can be happy with.
https://prototypist.net/products/group-buy-gmk-midnight-rainbow-keyset
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=102286.0
Was ran recently in regards to supporting pride in case you were not aware of the set, not sure if any of the profit for that set was donated though
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7.) ISO users please weigh in here: would you use this knowing the enter key won't align with the color rows? I feel like I couldn't live with that for similar reasons to my thoughts on the numpad, which leads me to say it should be cut, but I am an ANSI user so shouldn't speak on your behalf.
Quick note: the kit, as it stands now, is missing the (green) R3 \| for proper ISO support (otherwise, there'd be a naked switch).Thank you!
Also, it's not entirely clear to me that the red `~ key is necessary, given the one color per row design rule (orange Esc does need to remain).
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).
And people already mentioned existing rainbow-themed sets, not sure if we need another one.
Hard pass. Sexual preference doesn't need to make it's way into every corner of life and the things ppl are into. You don't see much if any interest in key sets being made for whites, blacks, Hispanics, or variants such as trans or those ppl who identify as roosters or dandelions so I cannot see any need for this. But if poster is to go down that road, there's already a lot of rainbow keysets out there so I suggest focusing on FG novelties lol....
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).
And people already mentioned existing rainbow-themed sets, not sure if we need another one.
even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).
IC responses may be negative but they should bring up a change to the item that may be helpful.
Although you both did that to an extent by helping us all know that you're both idiots.
BOOMISHOTYOU's comments don't need to make it into the corner of anyone's life and hopefully after this, no country in existence will have to see child's useless IC additions.
Because people who get mistreated and abused must always be nice and can’t be bitter towards trolls who could just go do other stuff than complain about people demanding human rights being shady agenda in threads clearly not aimed at them.IC responses may be negative but they should bring up a change to the item that may be helpful.
Although you both did that to an extent by helping us all know that you're both idiots.
BOOMISHOTYOU's comments don't need to make it into the corner of anyone's life and hopefully after this, no country in existence will have to see child's useless IC additions.
That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.
That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.
Child is a fitting username eh?That is exactly the kind of supportive and gentle response I'd expect from "mistreated" LGBT community.
Nowhere in my last comment did I mention anything about the LGBT community.
I did reference your use of it as to why no country in existence should have to see your useless IC additions though.
Your issue seems to be more with them than it is about there being too many rainbow keysets.
Still waiting for that link to purchase one of the many rainbow keysets you speak of 🧐
Same for me. At least in my country I don't see LGBT... "community" to be mistreated, but rather I see them spreading their dubious agenda everywhere, even where sexuality-related subjects don't make any sense (like keyboards).