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Offline RETURNISO

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #950 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:12:43 »
Super updates and nice with the pictures, really helps especially with the 3 beige colors :thumb:
Nickel for the sleeper, 1013 for the win :p

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #951 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 16:46:05 »
Hey were the dimensions for the keyboards mentioned at any point? I was just curious to know the sizing.  :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #952 on: Fri, 10 April 2020, 21:31:31 »
Can't wait the group buy starts!
Vote 9001 for the beige color :thumb:

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
« Reply #953 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 13:36:52 »
PCB layouts

Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:

Eon40:
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Plain60-C:
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Eon65:
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Eon75:
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Eon87:
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Eon95:
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any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #954 on: Sat, 11 April 2020, 16:28:58 »
The Boardwalk, sold by MKUltra, is a 60% split spacebar option, and the layout is included in this GB.
« Last Edit: Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:58:41 by Senor Coconut »
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« Reply #955 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:56:22 »
I'd also like to point out that RAL 1013 is the closest match mathematically, with RAL 9002 a very close second.

According to the current standard (CIE DE2000):
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 1013 (228,217,199) = dE 2.9505
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9001 (233,224,209) = dE 3.772
GMK L9 (216,210,194) -> RAL 9002 (215,212,203) = dE 2.9883

Lower delta-E value means closer match. Delta-E of <2 is considered imperceptible.

Super helpful info, thanks a lot!

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #956 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:56:54 »
Hey were the dimensions for the keyboards mentioned at any point? I was just curious to know the sizing.  :thumb:

No, I think I hadn't mentioned exact dimensions jet, as far as I can remember. Will be back in office after easter, there I have all my files. Then I can tell.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
« Reply #957 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:00:39 »
PCB layouts

Here are the layouts that are supported by Maarten's PCBs and of course by the plates as well:

Eon40:
(Attachment Link)

Plain60-C:
(Attachment Link)

Eon65:
(Attachment Link)

Eon75:
(Attachment Link)

Eon87:
(Attachment Link)

Eon95:
(Attachment Link)

any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)

You're right, the 60% standard plate supported a lot of layouts. For the SKB2 I try to focuse only on the basic and more common layouts. The Plain60-C PCB does it the same way. In my experience, especially around the spacebar key area it can be very detrimental for the build if the switch does not sit perfectly in its spot. I want a good as possible experience for most, even if I have to exclude a few options.

If you want a split spacebar plate, I can make you the file.

Plate and PCB for the SKB2-80/TKL are the only ones that supports split spacebar. No, wait, the two orthos, Boradwalk and 40% have split spacebar support as well.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #958 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:03:17 »

only phone atm. not really comfortable. there is a comparison picture in the start post, under "prototype 2" pictures. the slightly darker, more brownish one is always the nickel treated.



This one? The brownish is the treated one and the other is not treated?

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« Reply #959 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:06:14 »
Exactly, that's the one I meant. Thanks!
Imo, the blacks caps make any of the two look better.

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« Reply #960 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:08:55 »
Exactly, that's the one I meant. Thanks!
Imo, the blacks caps make any of the two look better.

The treated one actually looks great, especially with black keycaps. Did yotu say it was a magnet to fingerprints tho? I think I might have voted for the other one without knowing how it actually looked  :-[

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« Reply #961 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:20:00 »
Bare Stainless steel, bead blasted without the nickel treatment leads by far.

Which is makes sense, imo. Treating the surface of a high quality metal (V2A stainless steel) with an metal that is considered to be of lesser quality (nickel) does not make a lot of sense. The nickel finish would only make sense on normal steel, which would benefit from this as it is a corrosion protection.

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #962 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 12:08:35 »
I prefer 9001 or bare stainless.
Current:
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #963 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 13:22:54 »
Are you set on plate materials plastik?

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel case, isolation top mount, powder coated or stainless
« Reply #964 on: Sun, 12 April 2020, 13:46:26 »
any chance for split spacebar support on pcbs or making a list of compatible 3rd party pcbs with all planed variations? (like you did for skb 1 https://i.imgur.com/yxjeK9E.png https://i.imgur.com/OcTUSeR.png etc ...)
sorry if I missed that details in the post, thread is huge already :)

If you really want one you can get a custom plate and then get the PCB you want you just need a PCB that fits

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #965 on: Mon, 13 April 2020, 03:27:47 »
Possible to see how the black 60 looks with Langelandia's Græn keycap set?

Really looking forward to the start of this GB!

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« Reply #966 on: Mon, 13 April 2020, 05:02:23 »
Possible to see how the black 60 looks with Langelandia's Græn keycap set?

Really looking forward to the start of this GB!
please don't take his time making endless amounts of renders. use your imagination or just look at the color codes and see how they would match. not trying to be unfriendly but that's the easiest for you to get your answer

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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTE NOW!
« Reply #967 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 03:50:50 »
This case is terrific and - most notably - it is affordable. This will be right candidate for my first custom build.

My choice will be the SKB2-95. I appreciate the decision to add one more key in the layout - the more the better. :-)

I'm not sure which color to choose for the anticipated KAM Wraith keycaps. Black or grey case. Not sure if the color of the brownish grey case is complementing well with the more bluish keycaps of Wraith. Maybe the black case is the better choice...

Looking forward for the GB.

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« Reply #968 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 12:10:10 »
Oof! That white one with the 9009.

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« Reply #969 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:10:04 »
I'm now at the point where I'm choosing colors for each of the cases I'll be ordering (two TKLs and one 75%). Or should I go with three TKLs instead and avoid choosing which form factor gets to be the black unit?  :thumb:

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« Reply #970 on: Tue, 14 April 2020, 20:24:11 »
I’m tempted to get a custom that supports the Tsuka60 PCB I’m working on.

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« Reply #971 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 01:26:01 »
I'm now at the point where I'm choosing colors for each of the cases I'll be ordering (two TKLs and one 75%). Or should I go with three TKLs instead and avoid choosing which form factor gets to be the black unit?  :thumb:
Aiming for a yellow 40s and a stainless HHKB. The affordability of this board is awesome. :)

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« Reply #972 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 04:49:26 »
if I buy the tkl, would it be cool to also add some 60% pcb's?

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« Reply #973 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 11:49:36 »
Do we have winner in beige and stainless?

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« Reply #974 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 11:51:24 »
I’m definitely more drawn to the beige than any other colour (black would be a second place if that matters).

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« Reply #975 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 12:06:12 »
I originally thought i'd buy grey and/or yellow.. but that 1013 beige looks so sexy and vintage.. especially in combination with old cherry caps... mhm...  :eek:

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« Reply #976 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:50:46 »
Are you set on plate materials plastik?

WELL...
There have been a few posts in this thread where this question came up and I had explained why I think that steel is a sensible option in the context of this case and group buy.
BUT...
I'm aware that a lot of you want to see a brass option. Even if I personally feel that the difference between steel and brass is minimal, I don't think that it would be ok to force you to use a steel plate by making it the only available option.
SO...
There will probably be an option to upgrade to a brass plate. Since I want to keep the matte black look, the brass plates will be bead blasted and then get the same black zink treatment like the steel plates. Brass is noticeably more expensive and adding the bead blasting + black zink coating will make this option a premium. Anyway, you will have the option.

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« Reply #977 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:52:48 »
if I buy the tkl, would it be cool to also add some 60% pcb's?

You'll be able to add any of the PCBs.
So even if you buy a TKL, adding a 60% will be possible.

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« Reply #978 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:54:31 »
Do we have winner in beige and stainless?

Yes, to all questions a pretty clear winners emerged. Here is a simple screenshot (in the last question, green and blue is the same, I just corrected a spelling mistake after the form had already started to collect answers and google forms separated that):

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« Reply #979 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 15:58:05 »
One small piece of news:

I really don't want to manage all your addresses with google sheets and have to write all the paypal invoices manually again. That's why I'm currently setting up a simple store, not that I want to run a shop, it's just to have a backend and database to make GB management easier for me - hopefully!

Yep, that's another reason why it takes a bit longer. GB start not happening this week, probably next week.
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« Reply #980 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:14:48 »
RAL1013 Winner shots




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« Reply #981 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:34:29 »
How long are you planning to run the groupbuy for? I get payed end of next week, really want to get the skb95.

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« Reply #982 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:36:59 »
standard group buy runtime, one month or five weeks.

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« Reply #983 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:39:40 »
I know its probably still early to ask, but any estimated lead time?

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« Reply #984 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:45:00 »
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.

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« Reply #985 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:47:37 »
standard group buy runtime, one month or five weeks.

That's great! I might even get a 1800 version added to the HHKB 60% I've chosen during the first early bird.
The vote turned out perfect for me except maybe Nickel-coated option is ditched, but with that fingerprint issue I guess it's for good.


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« Reply #986 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:50:06 »
You mean from time of order (me placing the gb order) to shipping (me starting to pack boxes)?
That should be around six to eight weeks.

Oh cool! Idk why but with so many variants i thought it would take much longer

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« Reply #987 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 16:54:30 »
If I have 1 or 100 variants, does not have a big influence on the production time.
Otherwise I would not be offering that many variants ;)

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« Reply #988 on: Wed, 15 April 2020, 18:10:36 »
Any information regarding more specific pricing points for different sizes yet?
The affordability of this keyboard might be one of the main selling points for me :) Looking for a 60 or 65% in size.

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« Reply #989 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 02:52:18 »
Yes, to all questions a pretty clear winners emerged. Here is a simple screenshot (in the last question, green and blue is the same, I just corrected a spelling mistake after the form had already started to collect answers and google forms separated that):

As I'm interested in 95% the results for the additional key in top row is not what I would like to see.  :'(
I hoped that the additional key will come in the final layout. That is too bad if not.

Maybe the additional key would be more accepted, if it wasn't positioned directly beside the four keys over the numpad, but more integrated to the function key cluster like other boards do like KBD19X, Zambumon Sar or Austin.

In that position, the right of the additional key is aligned with Backspace and Enter. With that the space between alphas and numpad is straight down and the additional key is not disturbing the clean look.

My English is not the best, so I hope that someone understood what I mean.  :-[

But however, this is a great board.

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« Reply #990 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:06:32 »
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

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Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.

edit: Replying to below: No problem, this thread is huge and this was like 300 replies earlier haha
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« Reply #991 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 03:13:32 »
I feel that this kind of top row is more appropriate for CP layouts. It's symmetric, more convenient and looks better too, imo. Boards that feature this kind of layout include: TX-CP, Zambumon SAR, BOK.CP. However, none of those boards offer both USB-C and this kind of compatibility, so I think SKB95 with this layout would have real potential.

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Symmetric, yes, but I think the orphant is a bit lost there.

PCB design is already done. It can be one of the following three, only no1 and no2 are good, imo:
(Attachment Link) (Attachment Link) (Attachment Link)
https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237641;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237643;image https://geekhack.org/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=103257.0;attach=237645;image
Quoting to repeat the information from earlier. I think if the PCB supported F13 right next to F12, then that would have looked the best, but since the PCB design is done that can't change now.

Ohh.. My fault. I have not seen this post. Thanks for the reference.

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« Reply #992 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 07:21:22 »
Very sad that we're losing the additional key... five instead of nine keys would've been ok i guess.
Shifting print, roll lock, pause, numlock and insert to another layer would've been ok i guess, noone uses those on a regular basis anyway.. but only four keys makes it really hard to get it usable..

God i wish there would just be a normal full size version.. would buy at least three of those. :(

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« Reply #993 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 19:21:25 »
Really sad to hear that the additional key option will not included…though the function can be assigned to other layer, 5key actually is more manageable then 4key imo.

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« Reply #994 on: Thu, 16 April 2020, 20:42:03 »
I'm a bit disappointed that large USB cutouts seem to be winning out (slightly, but still winning out), even though it looks like the tight ones would fit most regular connectors and custom cables just fine. Vote for tighter holes, people! :D

In regards to the usb cutout, would this count as bulky or would this fit in the 'tight' version?
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This is the V2 Coiled Cable from KPrepublic.

that would still just fit the "tight" cutout.

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« Reply #995 on: Fri, 17 April 2020, 01:07:38 »
tighter USB port gives a much cleaner appearance. and I'm amazed to see that many people wanted a reset hole.

Plastik, can this be made optional?
Both USB hole size and hole for reset button, which is likely in different positions for all pcb's anyway.

edit: will pricing be announced before or will it be made available in the gb thread?
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« Reply #996 on: Fri, 17 April 2020, 03:22:45 »
With the reset switch access, I want one that I can press w my finger or none at all :/ Mmmmh why are you shocked, what are the consequences of a reset hole? Is it bad for the sound of the case?

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« Reply #997 on: Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:06:07 »
With the reset switch access, I want one that I can press w my finger or none at all :/ Mmmmh why are you shocked, what are the consequences of a reset hole? Is it bad for the sound of the case?
why would you want a huge hole? why not settle with a hole enough for a pin at least? in my opinion access to a physical reset switch has no real use since you use key combinations to do it and it would only add more machine work. also, it would only work for the original pcb as replacement probably have a different switch placement.
why would you want access to a reset switch?

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« Reply #998 on: Fri, 17 April 2020, 04:44:00 »
Didn't think about it too hard, I use the reset switch (that I can operate with my finger) on my current keyboard all the time, but a key combination would probably be fine as well. If you mess up, and for example flash a keymap that makes it impossible to access the reset key, you'd have to disassemble the case to press the button though, right?

/edit: To explain why I'd want a big one or none at all: If there's a big one, I'll use that because it's the most convenient. If I have to use a pin, then pressing a key combination is more convenient, therefore I don't need a hole at all.
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Re: [IC] SKB2 - steel, isolation top mount, powder coated / BEIGE VOTED!
« Reply #999 on: Fri, 17 April 2020, 05:20:10 »
it is highly recommended to have a keymap where you can issue a reset command in all of the keymaps you download. there is always a default keymap loaded with pcb's that ship with qmk support, and they have always had a way to send reset.
@maartenwut, could you confirm for your pcb's?

@PlastikSchnittstelle, could it be that people who voted thought that the only way to send reset was the physical button and in that case they had to disassemble the keyboard to reach it? in that case maybe the result of the votes regarding reset hole isnt correct