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Title: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Wed, 25 December 2019, 16:58:19



    Karbon/65   




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Alright, here's my take on it.

There's a strong distaste for PheonixStarr's work, whatever quality it might be. I commissioned her services some time before her Keylace fiasco, but it seems even then, none of you like the idea that she's worked on it. Pushing onwards, I felt that it would have been deceptive if I didn't explicitly mention her involvement. Nevertheless, I'm very sorry for getting this IC off on a bad, bad note. Moving forward, I've decided to scrap what work we've started together and hunt for a new PCB designer. I want to get this keyboard GB off the ground, and if this is what I have to do, it'll be done.

As for the renders, they'll be shortly replaced by prototype photos (whenever it is they arrive).

Hi. I've been lurking this community for a while. After a lot of practice and study, I'm happy to present my first keyboard design :)
I understand that, as a new runner, I'm still unproven. Nevertheless, I'd like to make an attempt at a small groupbuy of no more than a dozen units. I hope my nascence won't prove an issue to anyone.

(https://i.imgur.com/Q7u0fBl.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Bc6PmLN.jpg)

Inspired by the refined touches of forged composite carbon fiber on Lamborghini vehicles like the Sesto Elemento, Veneno, and the Huracan, the Karbon/65 brings an equally exotic-yet-subdued atmosphere to your desktop.

(https://i.imgur.com/OPPJapF.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/5tPYy03.jpg)

The forged carbon fiber composite plate is supported by a custom-cut full isolation mount.

(https://i.imgur.com/WsGx8OY.jpg)

A small sandblasted brass weight keeps everything anchored to your desk—and, of course, contributes to its unique sound signature.



Specifications

- Layout: 65% symmetrical
- Case: Aluminum housing, sandblasted brass weight
- Plate: Forged Composite (Matte finish); Aluminum available
- Mount: Isolation mount; custom-cut gaskets.
- Colors: Black & Grey
- Angle: 7.0 deg.
- PCB: TBA



Details

Price - expected to be around $475 due to low quantity, but I will do my best to reduce this figure. There's a good chance I might be able to sell it for $450 or less.

Groupbuy will consist of twelve units serialized (design in the works). Most likely, it will be laser-engraved into the brass weight, probably on the internal side.
Additional FC/alu plates will be available (anodized either black or grey, your choice), as well as PCB+daughterboard combos.

Dates TBD. Prototypes expected within 3 weeks.



(https://i.imgur.com/MBnGdIG.jpg)

(https://i.imgur.com/RGPBVU9.jpg)

Renders by PheonixStarr.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Wed, 25 December 2019, 16:58:49
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Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: octix on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:02:06
Woah! Interesting design. GL :)
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: SolidCactus on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:05:33
Is this WKL only or ne WK available?

What firmware is the PCB?
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:09:00
Is this WKL only or ne WK available?

What firmware is the PCB?

I was planning only on WKL in order to attain that sweet symmetry. The PCB will run QMK.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Loges on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:12:45
I'm definitely in.

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Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: PheonixStarr on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:24:21
A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: kenkaneki on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:36:21
What will be the production time on these boards?
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: PikaJoyce on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:53:43
A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.
I agree, this would put some folks at ease for sure.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: pngu on Wed, 25 December 2019, 17:57:22
reserved

edit:

$475 x 10 x 3 = $14250

(Board price) x (Number of units - 2 boards for Cruxx and Phoenix) x (Triangle has 3 sides)

nice way to raise 14k

Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Atlantic on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:03:54
reserved
:monkaW:
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:12:10
A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.

Given the latest ****show that was your Cygnus GB I'm not sure your assurances mean much.

I take it this is the same Cruxx that was part of your Keylace and is a student in high school according to the bio on your now-deleted website?

Let's all think twice before handing over money to someone under the age of 18.

Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: JonoColwell on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:13:09
A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.

While I think that running it through a vendor would be a good idea I can't think of any things that are less reassuring than having PheonixStarr vouch for someone's integrity.

A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.

Given the latest ****show that was your Cygnus GB I'm not sure your assurances mean much.

I take it this is the same Cruxx that was part of your Keylace and is a student in high school according to the bio on your now-deleted website?

Let's all think twice before handing over money to someone under the age of 18.

Note: financial regulation prevents persons under the age of 18 from accepting payment or entering into contracts.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:17:43
A few people have forwarded me concerns that Cruxx is a scammer/the legendary CE/Klutz/whatever. I can assure by way of personal connection that he's most likely none of these things.

Regardless, I think most people would feel more comfortable if this keyboard was run through a vendor.

While I think that running it through a vendor would be a good idea I can't think of any things that are less reassuring than having PheonixStarr voich for someone's integrity.



Yeah, it's not like someone who designs the PCB and does the renders for the board has a conflict of interest, right?
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Loges on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:20:13
reserved
How do we reserve?

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Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: belgium_waffles on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:42:23
reserved

edit:

$475 x 10 x 3 = $14250

(Board price) x (Number of units - 2 boards for Cruxx and Phoenix) x (Triangle has 3 sides)

nice way to raise 14k


Open a gb to fund another gb to fund another gb
Lul
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:45:31
Note: financial regulation prevents persons under the age of 18 from accepting payment or entering into contracts.

Yeah, it's not like someone who designs the PCB and does the renders for the board has a conflict of interest, right?

Let's get a few things straight. I am fully aware of the legal restrictions surrounding age & I am over 18. As for Keylace Co, I was only supposed to handle spreadsheets and data entry for Pheonix. In light of the rabid dumpster fire she prefers to politely term a "group-buy" I wasn't at all planning on vending this board through her. Our connection here extends only as far as the money I pay her for renders and a circuitboard goes.

While I understand your concerns regarding me, I would very politely ask you to keep that Cygnus/Hailey drama away. I'm just trying to make some nice keyboards, not suddenly lose $14,000 and accept money before prototypes appear.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: JonoColwell on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:51:06
My dude, the concern here is that you're the same person.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Alessio on Wed, 25 December 2019, 18:53:15
[attachimg=1]

this is where the fun begins
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: LXVRGS on Wed, 25 December 2019, 19:07:06
im about that action boss
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Wed, 25 December 2019, 19:13:08
My dude, the concern here is that you're the same person.

I have no idea why would you think that from a 20-day old account that was created two days before the Cygnus GB went up.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Wed, 25 December 2019, 19:47:02
My dude, the concern here is that you're the same person.

I have no idea why would you think that from a 20-day old account that was created two days before the Cygnus GB went up.

Oh, I see. In that case, I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure what I can say other than "I'm not her." I understand that the account's age looks odd, but I just never felt the need to make one until I started considering a GB for this keyboard.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Wed, 25 December 2019, 20:28:10
If it is run through a respected vendor I don't see a huge issue with it.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: SUB01 on Wed, 25 December 2019, 21:53:47
Note: financial regulation prevents persons under the age of 18 from accepting payment or entering into contracts.

Yeah, it's not like someone who designs the PCB and does the renders for the board has a conflict of interest, right?

Let's get a few things straight. I am fully aware of the legal restrictions surrounding age & I am over 18. As for Keylace Co, I was only supposed to handle spreadsheets and data entry for Pheonix. In light of the rabid dumpster fire she prefers to politely term a "group-buy" I wasn't at all planning on vending this board through her. Our connection here extends only as far as the money I pay her for renders and a circuitboard goes.

While I understand your concerns regarding me, I would very politely ask you to keep that Cygnus/Hailey drama away. I'm just trying to make some nice keyboards, not suddenly lose $14,000 and accept money before prototypes appear.

Please. Less drama, but lets not disrespect the many people and vendors who have worked hard to raise the credibility of group buys. This hobby is built on the grounds of trust, and every disorganized run only serves to chip away at what people has built up. It is understandable that people are angry, 450$ is no small amount of money, but we could do with more civility in our conversations.

On a brighter note, the board looks really good, gl to you.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: JonoColwell on Wed, 25 December 2019, 23:38:10
My point is that this person has popped up when the Cygnus group by was running, was listed as part of a company of one by the Cygnus group by runner (As a paid intern despite the company having done exactly nothing) and has been vouched for by someone who has two active group buys.

1. Which has no prototype yet despite taking money for the boards.
2. Stolen layout, stolen PCB, failed group buy that allegedly won't be able to refund anyone until february for some completely arbitrary reason that's counter to Stripe's refund policy.

Not that much of a stretch to assume that this GB's going to go down the gurgler considering it's pedigree.

Also 12 is a very odd number of boards.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: steezkeez on Wed, 25 December 2019, 23:46:34
> PheonixStarr



And for that reason, I’m out.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: PheonixStarr on Thu, 26 December 2019, 00:25:25
1. Which has no prototype yet despite taking money for the boards.
2. Stolen layout, stolen PCB, failed group buy that allegedly won't be able to refund anyone until february for some completely arbitrary reason that's counter to Stripe's refund policy.

I don't really wanna get into all this again, so here's the long and short of it –

1. I am quite literally typing this on a Cygnus prototype, and I have Hailey prototypes expected in two weeks.
2. Cygnus was (provably) formulated in March, which was before Bisoromi ever contacted me, and Cygnus was not going to use his PCB.
3. It is a completely arbitrary reason, but it is not counter to Stripe's policy. Furthermore, it is not up to Stripe, nor is it related to their refund policy. If you even took a single second to pay attention to what's been going on, you'll know the money is being held by Square. And straight from their policy –

Quote
"If your account is under investigation, we may hold your funds for up to 180 days."

And even then, from Stripe themselves:

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"We reserve the right to change the Payout Schedule or to suspend settlement to you ... In certain circumstances, we may require you to place funds in reserve or to impose conditions on the release of funds (each a “Reserve”). We may impose a Reserve on you for any reason ... "

It's not about Stripe, nor is it about a refund policy. Each of the orders made through Stripe have been refunded in full. It's the Square orders that have been held until February. I honestly don't think you have any idea what you're talking about.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Thu, 26 December 2019, 00:31:50


1. I am quite literally typing this on a Cygnus prototype, and I have Hailey prototypes expected in two weeks.


Cool, so two weeks ago when you said Hailey was canceled unless a vendor or another runner wanted to pick it up, you were lying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e9tvia/an_apology_to_all/
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: JonoColwell on Thu, 26 December 2019, 00:34:30
I don't really wanna get into all this again, so here's the long and short of it –

1. I am quite literally typing this on a Cygnus prototype, and I have Hailey prototypes expected in two weeks.
2. Cygnus was (provably) formulated in March, which was before Bisoromi ever contacted me, and Cygnus was not going to use his PCB.


Ah yes, my bad, the original biso board GB was just delayed because the PCB designer didn't deliver the PCBs and just so happened to release a board with the same layout after the failure to deliver the PCBs.

This is, of course, 100% a coincidence and there is nothing to read into this.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 26 December 2019, 00:41:59
I'm interested in hearing about the business savvy of a startup with zero money hiring a paid intern.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Bhk1004 on Thu, 26 December 2019, 01:28:53
Ah. This beautiful dumpster fire somehow continues to find new and exciting ways to keep burning and entertain. Please keep going!
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Quinella on Thu, 26 December 2019, 01:44:08
I understand that, as a new runner, I'm still unproven. Nevertheless, I'd like to make an attempt at a small groupbuy of no more than a dozen units. I hope my nascence won't prove an issue to anyone.

Oh yeah even IF this was somehow a different person goodluck, also dont see any mentions of Keylace nor Nightingale Studios. And if its going through a vendor, maybe this person deserves abit of a chance

Quote
- PCB: PCB designed by PheonixStarr, with custom daughterboard


Nope you just fked urself. imagine debuting as a designer and choosing PHEONIXSTARR as a person to work with after the shtshow that recently just happened.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: JonoColwell on Thu, 26 December 2019, 02:07:23
And its going through a vendor. maybe this person deserves abit of a chance


Note: OP has never mentioned this being run through a vendor.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Quinella on Thu, 26 December 2019, 02:12:21
And its going through a vendor. maybe this person deserves abit of a chance


Note: OP has never mentioned this being run through a vendor.

i forgot to add the word 'if' there thanks bby
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: nguyenhimself on Thu, 26 December 2019, 03:18:21
My dude, the concern here is that you're the same person.

I have no idea why would you think that from a 20-day old account that was created two days before the Cygnus GB went up.

Oh, I see. In that case, I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure what I can say other than "I'm not her." I understand that the account's age looks odd, but I just never felt the need to make one until I started considering a GB for this keyboard.
Look man, while the idea of giving you–a first-timer GB runner with zero experience or credential–465 bucks is pretty damn crazy--
I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt. We all have to start somewhere.
But you picked an incredibly ill-suited person to work for and to receive reference from.
Your reputation is now intrinsically linked to that of Pheonix.
In other words, you picked Nightmare mode. Best of luck, yikes.

(https://i.ytimg.com/vi/fTtkOsNVCUk/maxresdefault.jpg)
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Thu, 26 December 2019, 03:23:14
Quote
- PCB: PCB designed by PheonixStarr, with custom daughterboard

Nope you just fked urself. imagine debuting as a designer and choosing PHEONIXSTARR as a person to work with after the shtshow that recently just happened.

I'd requested her services before the 'shtshow.' I'm sure you delight yourself in trashing on every other GB with whose threads she has her fingers intertwined.

Note: OP has never mentioned this being run through a vendor.

I am thinking about it. It's probably a good idea. I will update the thread if/when a vendor agrees.

My dude, the concern here is that you're the same person.

I have no idea why would you think that from a 20-day old account that was created two days before the Cygnus GB went up.

Oh, I see. In that case, I'm sorry, but I'm not really sure what I can say other than "I'm not her." I understand that the account's age looks odd, but I just never felt the need to make one until I started considering a GB for this keyboard.

But you picked an incredibly ill-suited person to personally vouch for you.
Your reputation is now intrinsically linked to that of Pheonix.

For the record, I didn't exactly tell her to say anything. She just got trigger-happy, I guess. But regardless, we've been interlinked since her severely poor handling of Keylace and her two group-buys.

The ferocity with which certain members of this community have rushed to defame and threadcrap here, however, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: elmo on Thu, 26 December 2019, 04:20:11


1. I am quite literally typing this on a Cygnus prototype, and I have Hailey prototypes expected in two weeks.


Cool, so two weeks ago when you said Hailey was canceled unless a vendor or another runner wanted to pick it up, you were lying?

https://www.reddit.com/r/MechanicalKeyboards/comments/e9tvia/an_apology_to_all/
The Hailey prototypes where ordered long before the entire drama with the GBs being cancelled and the post you've linked.
They are being made even though the board is not going to run anymore.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Thu, 26 December 2019, 06:00:54

I'd requested her services before the 'shtshow.' I'm sure you delight yourself in trashing on every other GB with whose threads she has her fingers intertwined.

...

For the record, I didn't exactly tell her to say anything. She just got trigger-happy, I guess. But regardless, we've been interlinked since her severely poor handling of Keylace and her two group-buys.


The fact that you thought it wise to link your project with her name only two weeks after what you yourself describe as a "rabid dumpster fire" shows poor business sense and judgment.

Even people linked with teslatron were smart enough not to put his name on their projects even though he assisted with them.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 26 December 2019, 06:03:53
The ferocity with which certain members of this community have rushed to defame and threadcrap here, however, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.
Tell me honestly what you expected. If I were you I’d given it a couple more months and spent the time finding someone else to collaborate with. You have seemingly no issue throwing Pheonix under the bus with your narrative anyway, which I do find interesting.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: zekkin on Thu, 26 December 2019, 06:44:05
The ferocity with which certain members of this community have rushed to defame and threadcrap here, however, leaves a bad taste in my mouth.

I think your youth and ignorance really shows here. The reason people have flocked to this thread to share how they feel is due to the situation Pheonix got not only herself involved with, but you as well. The moment she placed your name on her site, you linked yourself with her, for better or for worse.

And please, explain to me how aligning yourself with someone who took $14,000 in payment, got it locked up, and then planned to run a GB concurrent with her financial situation (and only realized how bad that looks when the community took to sharing how they feel in the Cygnus thread) doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth while this does.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: srxl on Thu, 26 December 2019, 07:04:13
If you really didn't agree with how Pheonix handled Cygnus/Hailey/whatever, why did you still choose to go with a commissioned PCB from her, let alone explicitly link her name to the project? By doing that, you've tarnished both the reputation of the board and yourself a fair bit, with no benefit gained. Which is really unfortunate, because this looks like a pretty neat design.

GLWS. You're gonna need it.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Nevermore012 on Thu, 26 December 2019, 08:26:30
too much drama at the begining, RIP the GB  :eek:
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Vigrith on Thu, 26 December 2019, 09:11:22
The fact that you thought it wise to link your project with her name only two weeks after what you yourself describe as a "rabid dumpster fire" shows poor business sense and judgment.

Even people linked with teslatron were smart enough not to put his name on their projects even though he assisted with them.

I completely disagree. I think if you're partnered/collaborating in any way with a questionable member of the community, hiding their involvement only makes you look less trustworthy - if you're gonna do that, at least have the decency to let your prospect customers know what the situation is and be transparent else the backlash will be far worse when people inevitably find out.

Either way, associating with someone and then ****ting on them right after is completely nonsensical and I don't see this going anywhere (good).
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Thu, 26 December 2019, 10:57:42
Seems like a pretty generic design. Why not just use a different PCB? Change the design. It’s not hard. Renders are done, but you can switch pictures over to the prototype when it comes in.
It’s not too late to salvage this and cut ties if you really want to.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: jimboytacos on Thu, 26 December 2019, 12:37:25
Any renders of the side profile and from the back usb port side?
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: tex_live_utility on Thu, 26 December 2019, 16:07:18
I'm curious how forged CF will feel/sound as plate material, compared to the usual (woven?) stuff.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 26 December 2019, 16:33:50
Look man, while the idea of giving you–a first-timer GB runner with zero experience or credential–465 bucks is pretty damn crazy--

Didn't people pay more than this to join the Iron165 GB, given a similar situation (aside from the issues raised about a collaborator)?
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: DukeEsquire on Thu, 26 December 2019, 16:59:23
Look man, while the idea of giving you–a first-timer GB runner with zero experience or credential–465 bucks is pretty damn crazy--

Didn't people pay more than this to join the Iron165 GB, given a similar situation (aside from the issues raised about a collaborator)?

A big difference is that the Iron165 guys spent a lot of time IC'ing their product and making themselves part of the community.

Also, while they could be lying, they also talked about their qualifications and experience.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 26 December 2019, 17:06:24
Look man, while the idea of giving you–a first-timer GB runner with zero experience or credential–465 bucks is pretty damn crazy--

Didn't people pay more than this to join the Iron165 GB, given a similar situation (aside from the issues raised about a collaborator)?

Both Vox and Lbaron have practical experience with this from their jobs iirc, plus they were sharing/teasing things for quite a while before it went public. It never felt like it was rushed out the door just to get the GB started, and they were always very professional about everything. So imo it feels pretty different than this.

GLWGB on the Karbon though.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: AlcoholEnthusiast on Thu, 26 December 2019, 17:06:44
double
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: eniigma on Thu, 26 December 2019, 17:52:11
Look man, while the idea of giving you–a first-timer GB runner with zero experience or credential–465 bucks is pretty damn crazy--

Didn't people pay more than this to join the Iron165 GB, given a similar situation (aside from the issues raised about a collaborator)?
S+R have both been prominent community members before they launched their IC, and eventually their group buy.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: illusixn on Thu, 26 December 2019, 18:45:05
A big difference is that the Iron165 guys spent a lot of time IC'ing their product and making themselves part of the community.

Also, while they could be lying, they also talked about their qualifications and experience.

Both Vox and Lbaron have practical experience with this from their jobs iirc, plus they were sharing/teasing things for quite a while before it went public. It never felt like it was rushed out the door just to get the GB started, and they were always very professional about everything. So imo it feels pretty different than this.

GLWGB on the Karbon though.

S+R have both been prominent community members before they launched their IC, and eventually their group buy.
Oh ok. Never really looked into the IC/GB, but remembered reading some similar comments pertaining to first GB run/pricing/credibility when it first came out across various Discords and Reddit.

Anyway, GLW IC and whatever else, OP. Whoever you are, it seems you have an interesting concept; If you can manage clear up any of the issues that have been brought up in the thread, I think you'll be able to have a successful first run.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Thu, 26 December 2019, 21:03:28

And please, explain to me how aligning yourself with someone who took $14,000 in payment, got it locked up, and then planned to run a GB concurrent with her financial situation (and only realized how bad that looks when the community took to sharing how they feel in the Cygnus thread) doesn't leave a bad taste in your mouth while this does.

Probably because he stood to get paid on the one hand (doing work for keylace + cygnus buys), and stands not to get paid on the other (this IC not reaching GB).

Funny how one's own personal gain can color one's views on certain conduct.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Fri, 27 December 2019, 00:16:47
Alright, here's my take on it.

There's a strong distaste for PheonixStarr's work, whatever quality it might be. I commissioned her services some time before her Keylace fiasco, but it seems even then, none of you like the idea that she's worked on it. Pushing onwards, I felt that it would have been deceptive if I didn't explicitly mention her involvement. Nevertheless, I'm very sorry for getting this IC off on a bad, bad note. Moving forward, I've decided to scrap what work we've started together and hunt for a new PCB designer. I want to get this keyboard GB off the ground, and if this is what I have to do, it'll be done.

As for the renders, they'll be shortly replaced by prototype photos (whenever it is they arrive).
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: phabulous on Fri, 27 December 2019, 00:55:44
Alright, here's my take on it.

There's a strong distaste for PheonixStarr's work, whatever quality it might be. I commissioned her services some time before her Keylace fiasco, but it seems even then, none of you like the idea that she's worked on it. Pushing onwards, I felt that it would have been deceptive if I didn't explicitly mention her involvement. Nevertheless, I'm very sorry for getting this IC off on a bad, bad note. Moving forward, I've decided to scrap what work we've started together and hunt for a new PCB designer. I want to get this keyboard GB off the ground, and if this is what I have to do, it'll be done.

As for the renders, they'll be shortly replaced by prototype photos (whenever it is they arrive).

You're missing the point entirely.

No one has a distaste of PheonixStarr's work. From what I can see, the designs and renders are good.

What people have, is a distaste for her ethics and business practices.

As someone who has essentially worked for her business, and essentially learned from her, the microscope is now firmly fixed on your ethics and business practices. Your judgment is also under the microscope by aligning yourself with her.

Your profile on keylace (which presumably you wrote) said you were involved in design and logistics, but now you say it's only spreadsheets and data entry, so you've completely resiled from that previous claim. Not to mention you've practically thrown PheonixStarr under the bus in this thread, despite her obviously mentoring you in some respects and providing work for your board.

No one's crapping on your board. But the decision-making on display here is extremely suspect.

From someone whose account is 20 days old, whose only connection to the community is to a member who recently showed themselves incapable of responsibly handling a GB, and who no one really knows, you're going to have to do a bit more than say "just trust me" when you're asking people to fork over $500.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: DukeEsquire on Fri, 27 December 2019, 02:27:17
My advice: if you want to run a GB, then be part of the community first. Presumably you’ve been either on Reddit or GH or Discord or DT or whatever...right? I’d be surprised if you’ve literally lurked the whole time.

And if you really have lurked, then come out of the shadows and be part of the community first before asking strangers on the internet to send you $450.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 27 December 2019, 03:34:42
come out of the shadows and be part of the community first before asking strangers on the internet to send you $450.

Give me 450 bucks
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Cruxx_. on Fri, 27 December 2019, 04:05:34
Your profile on keylace (which presumably you wrote) said you were involved in design and logistics, but now you say it's only spreadsheets and data entry, so you've completely resiled from that previous claim. Not to mention you've practically thrown PheonixStarr under the bus in this thread, despite her obviously mentoring you in some respects and providing work for your board.

No one's crapping on your board. But the decision-making on display here is extremely suspect.

From someone whose account is 20 days old, whose only connection to the community is to a member who recently showed themselves incapable of responsibly handling a GB, and who no one really knows, you're going to have to do a bit more than say "just trust me" when you're asking people to fork over $500.

Alright, fair points indeed. On the topic of the profile—I was supposed to get involved in the design and logistics, but obviously Keylace never went that far. That's my bad for wording it like that in the bio. I understand what you mean about the trustworthiness and age now. I'll be around in the social circles a bit more, in that case.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Rayndalf on Fri, 27 December 2019, 04:24:46
come out of the shadows and be part of the community first before asking strangers on the internet to send you $450.

Give me 450 bucks
You know, I think we can trust this guy... after all its the season for giving.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: SUB01 on Fri, 27 December 2019, 05:13:47
Please can we get over this drama? People make mistakes, and eventually the community must forgive them so that we can move on. People deserve second chances. I don't want this thread also getting locked up like Olivia++. Perhaps a more productive discussion would be about how we can resolve this trust issue while paying the GB runner to get it made.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: rinkaan on Fri, 27 December 2019, 05:26:24
I think both sides have spoken on the matter.. And regardless, it is just a GB. Although 450 for a keeb isn't loose change, I guess it ppl love the design well enuff to warrant taking a risk, then let's wish the threadstarter luck in the GB and take our money elsewhere... This is just a hobby we all enjoy out of enjoyment anyways... Besides even alot of Kickstarter or indie gogo also have tons of fail delivery, as long as the intention was never to scam the money, even if it falls through I guess it is much part of the game of joining GB.

Goodluck cruxxx

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Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Jaxxstatic on Fri, 27 December 2019, 11:38:15
Gondolindrim makes PCBs. And he stated his service fee apparently -- $450....am I reading things wrong? Probably. But I'm really really tired.
I think you should do some leg work for 12 boards. This doesn't have to be a public GB. 12 boards -- you can easily find people with whom you can establish a trusting relationship, deliver their keyboards satisfactorily, then hit the community with some backup.
That's probably your best bet. And you can leave this IC behind.
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Gondolindrim on Fri, 27 December 2019, 12:01:16
Gondolindrim makes PCBs. And he stated his service fee apparently -- $450.

For 450 dollars I'll design you anything from a nuclear submarine to a modern building
Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: farmisen on Sat, 28 December 2019, 10:26:35
Gondolindrim makes PCBs. And he stated his service fee apparently -- $450.

For 450 dollars I'll design you anything from a nuclear submarine to a modern building
Not in the same industry but I have learned the hard way to never work anymore for a fixed fee. However if it works for you I might take you at your word.

As for the OP  everyone ****s up at some point and most of the time it comes more from lack of experience rather than disingenuity and however this ends up I hope it will have some positive outcome, whatever it is.

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Title: Re: [IC] Karbon/65
Post by: Gondolindrim on Sat, 28 December 2019, 20:03:11
Gondolindrim makes PCBs. And he stated his service fee apparently -- $450.

For 450 dollars I'll design you anything from a nuclear submarine to a modern building
Not in the same industry but I have learned the hard way to never work anymore for a fixed fee. However if it works for you I might take you at your word.

That is honest good advice