Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 19 January 2020, 11:46:07
There is no upper limit for the GB, it will continue to run past the close date if minimum order quantity is not met
If something is written in an update it supersedes any contradictary information from the original post
edited: cleared up confusion around MOQ
Update 2
Hi, sorry for the long delay in getting an update - obviously the current global situation has affected this.
Group Buy is currently being pushed to start 15th April with a kit price of $325 + local taxes + shipping.
A kit includes: 1 top, 1 bottom, 1 pcb, 1 plate
Vendors
US - Cannon Keys
EU - mykeyboard.eu
OCE - dailyclack
SEA - iLumkb
Colours selected as per poll:
Black
E-White
Dark Blue (should be very similar to the Satisfaction75 blue)
Unfortunately we are limited to 3 colours due to manufacturing requirements.
The bottom will be available in either black or matching your top.
PCB colour will be Matte Black
Extra Tops, PCBs and Plates will be available (pricing TBD)
Plates will be available in Nylon, Polycarbonate, & Polypropylene
The GB has an MOQ (Minimum) of 150 and will remain open until April 30th or until we reach 150 units. If this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
PLEASE NOTE
Due to the current situation in China my factory has not returned to work and it's very possible (looking likely) that we will have to push the start of this back slightly so we are able to fully finalise details with them (was in the process of final quotes when CNY started) I really hope I don't have to do this and we can get it going on time.
GB will be delayed until the factory is able to confirm: timeline/prices. Sorry for the delay - very much out of my hands
Update 1
Excited to annouce a partnership with koen for GMK Perestroika, if you buy the keyset you can enter to win a prophet! this will take place before the prophet buy starts so you can still get both if you don't win :-D. Full details here (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104415.msg2863229#msg2863229)
(https://imgur.com/1BYtVps.png)
Hello,
Prophet is a “pin-mount” seamless 60% keyboard. Here’s an image that showcases the construction:
(https://imgur.com/vrAo7pu.png)(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393396388282761219/668551342637318164/v3v27.gif)
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there is no pressure from the top half of the case on the plate. There are 4 pins in the corners of the base that hold the plate in place and it rests on the lip of the base. The theory is that the lack of downward pressure allows the plate more freedom of movement towards the center whilst still retaining an even pressure around the edge of the board
Here is the interest check form (https://forms.gle/fPAHmGNBb8M8rQPp8)
Originally my intention with the design was to create something simple that had a consistent sound profile and type feel and I am more than pleased with the results. The design has been through several small iterations but for the most part is largely unchanged from the initial drawings.
It will be manufactured from 6063 Aluminium and anodised in a choice of 3 colours. All boards will come with a black base. There will be HHKB, WKL & Standard Tops available.
The angle of the case is 6°
It includes a custom PCB designed by me that supports ISO/ANSI layouts with a 7u(Tsangan) bottom row only. The case also supports any standard 60% PCB with a type-c usb port. Mini will likely also work but it depends on the cable.
Plate materials will be: Polycarbonate, Polypropylene, and Nylon. Both full and half plates will be available. ISO plates will likely be made available in a single material only. Plate files will be released so you can make/modify your own as you like.
The current target price is $350 though this is subject to change. This will include at least 1 plate and PCB.
The current target timeline is to open March 1st for 2 weeks. Shipping should then take place in June-July.
MOQ of 50, no upper limit. Each different top has an MOQ of 15.
Additional plates and PCBs will be available during the group buy stage though there is no pricing currently available for this.
Mykeyboard.eu will be handling the buy and shipping, if you would like to act as a proxy for your region please feel free to get in touch with me here or by any contact method listed here: Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/user/Amthe/), Geekhack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104294.0), email (http://mailto:max@cablecardesigns.co), discord (https://discord.gg/5GHFAtb).
If you have any questions or comments about the case/pcb/buy structure please ask here or by any of these contact methods: Reddit (https://www.reddit.com/user/Amthe/), Geekhack (https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=104294.0), email (http://mailto:max@cablecardesigns.co), discord (https://discord.gg/5GHFAtb).
Here is an album of images
(https://imgur.com/a/D4IMiSv)
Thank you for your time
Max
(https://imgur.com/5u2ZjDP.png)
here are some soundtests/typing videos of R1/Original proto
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLxB3Jpa4A)
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRUs_eC4YM)
TopClack on youtube (https://youtu.be/ZXSGzKXGqWs?t=7058)
invis on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-j-eJmZbU)
invis on clyp.it (https://clyp.it/qo1h1wpa)
Aly on youtube (https://youtu.be/ixwDj9GoiDM)
Chris on youtube (https://youtu.be/UC2NbB3Uv9c)
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 19 January 2020, 13:55:31
Can you describe what you mean by “pin-mount”? I can’t quite tell based on the provided images, is the plate pressed between the bottom and top halves of the case?
there is no pressure from the top half of the case on the plate. There are 4 pins in the corners of the base that hold the plate in place and it rests on the lip of the base. The theory is that the lack of downward pressure allows the plate more freedom of movement towards the center whilst still retaining an even pressure around the edge of the board.
I will add to this first post and sorry for the confusion
Post by: gok_nz on Sun, 19 January 2020, 14:06:27
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 19 January 2020, 14:52:11
Not sure how it will sound without pressure from the top. Interested though
There are a couple of videos/clips of it here:
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLxB3Jpa4A)
Koen on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QFRUs_eC4YM)
TopClack on youtube (https://youtu.be/ZXSGzKXGqWs?t=7058)
invis on youtube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oV-j-eJmZbU)
invis on clyp.it (https://clyp.it/qo1h1wpa)
Aly on youtube (https://youtu.be/ixwDj9GoiDM)
Chris on youtube (https://youtu.be/UC2NbB3Uv9c)
Post by: modeseven on Sun, 19 January 2020, 15:32:34
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 19 January 2020, 15:44:04
I've been waiting for this
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Post by: Emir on Sun, 19 January 2020, 16:39:24
(https://i.imgur.com/aYxV0J6.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/lZOfEBo.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/Jzzxb2u.jpg)
Post by: FredBananaz on Sun, 19 January 2020, 17:12:53
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 19 January 2020, 17:14:07
Anyone able to explain how the different plate materials sounds/feel relative to alu/POM? I've not been in the hobby long enough to join a meetup and feel the difference for myself...
This has a pretty decent write up on the details you are asking about
https://brianlee.blog/2018/11/23/guide-keyboard-construction-explained/
Post by: Robosculpts on Sun, 19 January 2020, 17:37:07
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edit: blue-gray please thanks
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Post by: keyberzerker on Mon, 20 January 2020, 03:18:57
Will there be an option for a brass base?
+1 for brass base option pls :)
Post by: belgium_waffles on Mon, 20 January 2020, 04:40:06
Post by: pockydavid on Mon, 20 January 2020, 04:52:17
Please consider daily clack as oce vendor!+1 to Daily Clack.
Look forward to this board!
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Post by: octix on Mon, 20 January 2020, 05:02:27
Please consider daily clack as oce vendor!+1 to Daily Clack.
Look forward to this board!
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+1 for this too
Also great board!
Post by: aeryxz on Mon, 20 January 2020, 05:50:46
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:04:08
How is this different from a typical bottom-mount keyboard like the KBD67 v1?
On bottom mount you have fixed rigid points on the assembly where the plate screws in, this has no fixed points on the assembly which allows the whole assembly some freedom of movement
I like rectangles
thanks me too
best 60% ever, don't @ me
@Darth?
Anyone able to explain how the different plate materials sounds/feel relative to alu/POM? I've not been in the hobby long enough to join a meetup and feel the difference for myself...
I have not personally used POM, in this board I have tried CF but not alu and I'd roughly equate them for feel though not for sound. For CF I personally think it's a touch rigid though I definitely prefer a softer bottom out. here is what I said about the plate materials on discord:
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Both are softer than acrylic and PC. PP has a much lower rating in terms of hardness which gives it a really soft bottom out and a lighter note. Nylon has a slightly deeper note than that and is also slightly firmer. The advantage in both is they are soft enough to dampen vibrations from hitting switches
Fwiw nylon is my preferred material in this case
Please consider daily clack as oce vendor!
I will reach out to them and see if they are interested.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:06:27
Will there be an option for a brass base?
Most likely not this time. Sorry to dissapoint.
Post by: koenoe on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:08:33
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I have not personally used POM, in this board I have tried CF but not alu and I'd roughly equate them for feel though not for sound. For CF I personally think it's a touch rigid though I definitely prefer a softer bottom out.POM is pretty nice in the Prophet! It has a much softer bottom out than for example brass (I haven't tried alu plate), but not as soft as PC. Sounds good too.
A few of my Prophet builds for sound reference:
POM: Brass: PP:
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:25:37
Will there be an option for a brass base?
Most likely not this time. Sorry to dissapoint.
Please OP, do not break my heart! That brass bottom is SeX I want it :D
Post by: Crack85 on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:40:30
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Post by: noorejji on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:47:42
That PP tho. :smirk:MorePP:
Post by: blacksimon on Mon, 20 January 2020, 06:54:46
gimmie
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:02:53
Will there be an option for a brass base?
Most likely not this time. Sorry to dissapoint.
Please OP, do not break my heart! That brass bottom is SeX I want it :D
the brass base is not something I ever particularly considered part of the vision for what this board is. 3 were previously made and personally I am not sure I see the benefit of it. The board is perfectly weighted as it comes and in order to keep SKUs to a minimum we won't be including it this time though we may revisit this in future once I have had some time to experiment with materials.
Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:14:44
Will there be an option for a brass base?
Most likely not this time. Sorry to dissapoint.
Please OP, do not break my heart! That brass bottom is SeX I want it :D
the brass base is not something I ever particularly considered part of the vision for what this board is. 3 were previously made and personally I am not sure I see the benefit of it. The board is perfectly weighted as it comes and in order to keep SKUs to a minimum we won't be including it this time though we may revisit this in future once I have had some time to experiment with materials.
Heh, I get it, though lookz with the brass base are top notch :)
Will be most probably joining this keyboard anyway, cause it sounds just outstanding :)
Post by: Steezus on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:17:38
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Post by: ddnomad on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:37:19
I'd like to add that I opted for a brass base in the private run, because of aesthetics only. After trying both, and playing with different plate materials on both, I think the board sounds better with an aluminium base.
Thanks for the feedback :) That kinda convinces me lol
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 07:48:32
Heh, I get it, though lookz with the brass base are top notch :)
Will be most probably joining this keyboard anyway, cause it sounds just outstanding :)
agreed that it looks stunning and the heft of it with a brass base is definitely unique. Thanks for understanding!
Post by: fluidin on Mon, 20 January 2020, 08:27:30
Post by: LarryBWilliams on Mon, 20 January 2020, 08:29:45
This does not fit my budget. I want a simple swivel mechanismI'd like to add that I opted for a brass base in the private run, because of aesthetics only. After trying both, and playing with different plate materials on both, I think the board sounds better with an aluminium base.
Thanks for the feedback :) That kinda convinces me lol
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 09:28:29
we would be able to purchase more than one top right? thinking of going for a red wkl + black hhkb. any estimates on how much an extra top would cost?
You are the first person to ask. I will look into how feasible it is for us to do this.
Post by: Slash Emperor on Mon, 20 January 2020, 09:32:52
Post by: fluidin on Mon, 20 January 2020, 09:39:29
we would be able to purchase more than one top right? thinking of going for a red wkl + black hhkb. any estimates on how much an extra top would cost?
You are the first person to ask. I will look into how feasible it is for us to do this.
ahh ic. i think that would be one of the strengths of this board though.
given that the tops appear to be interchangeable, it would be like having different layouts and colored boards in one.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 10:46:21
we would be able to purchase more than one top right? thinking of going for a red wkl + black hhkb. any estimates on how much an extra top would cost?
You are the first person to ask. I will look into how feasible it is for us to do this.
ahh ic. i think that would be one of the strengths of this board though.
given that the tops appear to be interchangeable, it would be like having different layouts and colored boards in one.
They are interchangeable! We'll try and work out something :thumb:
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 20 January 2020, 10:57:10
Yeah. That'd be really cool. And different.we would be able to purchase more than one top right? thinking of going for a red wkl + black hhkb. any estimates on how much an extra top would cost?
You are the first person to ask. I will look into how feasible it is for us to do this.
ahh ic. i think that would be one of the strengths of this board though.
given that the tops appear to be interchangeable, it would be like having different layouts and colored boards in one.
They are interchangeable! We'll try and work out something :thumb:
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Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 20 January 2020, 14:37:56
Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 20 January 2020, 15:12:51
Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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It supports standard 60% PCBs, you would need to get a custom plate cut to fit.
Post by: Robosculpts on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:27:16
Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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It supports standard 60% PCBs, you would need to get a custom plate cut to fit.
That won't be a problem. I plan on doing just that.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:48:36
Damn. That's pretty awesome. I'm assuming the plate files will be posted (it's probably in OP and I'm dumb).Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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It supports standard 60% PCBs, you would need to get a custom plate cut to fit.
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Post by: ramnes on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:50:53
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 20 January 2020, 16:55:06
:eyes:Hey. I said it was prolly in there foo!
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Post by: consumer on Mon, 20 January 2020, 17:50:10
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Post by: nasp on Mon, 20 January 2020, 21:38:44
Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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It supports standard 60% PCBs, you would need to get a custom plate cut to fit.
That won't be a problem. I plan on doing just that.
Same
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Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 20 January 2020, 22:31:53
I'm probably a bit of a dunce and can't figure this out. If there is no downward pressure from the top on the plate, what keeps the plate vertically constrained preventing rattle against the pins & bottom?Was trying to figure that out too. Wouldn't it rattle around when typing and/or transporting?
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 21 January 2020, 04:42:42
What are the 3 colours ?
undecided, there is a form in the first post with a vote
Damn. That's pretty awesome. I'm assuming the plate files will be posted (it's probably in OP and I'm dumb).Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!Huh. So you can use other PCBs and plates in this? If so that's pretty unique for a board that gives this flex. I know gasket boards all require specific PCBs and/or plates.
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It supports standard 60% PCBs, you would need to get a custom plate cut to fit.
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Not released yet, once design files are finalised and submitted for production I will release them.
I'm probably a bit of a dunce and can't figure this out. If there is no downward pressure from the top on the plate, what keeps the plate vertically constrained preventing rattle against the pins & bottom?Was trying to figure that out too. Wouldn't it rattle around when typing and/or transporting?
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I'm probably a bit of a dunce and can't figure this out. If there is no downward pressure from the top on the plate, what keeps the plate vertically constrained preventing rattle against the pins & bottom?
the plate is designed to be very tight in terms of tolerance. the idea is that typing creates the downward pressure. Nylon shrinks slightly after machining so fits very snug, same with PP to a lesser degree. PC will be able to move up and down in transport but in my experience it doesn't bounce whilst typing. The reason I only am offering the plastic plates in this instance is to mitigate this, if you wanted to use a metal plate for example I think it would need some kind of gasket material as the vibration would carry across the whole plate in a way that it doesn't whilst typing with the plastic plates.
Case angle?
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6° - added to first post
Post by: Zeelobby on Tue, 21 January 2020, 07:55:32
You mentioned using padding or gaskets with metallic plate options. I don't suppose you have a video or pictures of that. Itd be cool to get a half-plate alum cut and install some gaskets (assuming there's space somewhere for them) for ultimate flex.
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Post by: chriszhu on Tue, 21 January 2020, 08:15:32
Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 21 January 2020, 08:37:26
@westfoxtrot I'm definitely very much interested in multiple top case options as well.
You mentioned using padding or gaskets with metallic plate options. I don't suppose you have a video or pictures of that. Itd be cool to get a half-plate alum cut and install some gaskets (assuming there's space somewhere for them) for ultimate flex.
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It's not something I have done personally. There is 0.75mm of space between the top of the plate and the bottom of the top case. I can make up some dxfs of a cutout for a gasket I suppose? It could probably also be cut by hand from something. I imagine that 1mm would work and compress down OK. I have some neoprene at home I think I will try it out.
Post by: tex_live_utility on Tue, 21 January 2020, 09:42:59
@westfoxtrot I'm definitely very much interested in multiple top case options as well.
You mentioned using padding or gaskets with metallic plate options. I don't suppose you have a video or pictures of that. Itd be cool to get a half-plate alum cut and install some gaskets (assuming there's space somewhere for them) for ultimate flex.
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It's not something I have done personally. There is 0.75mm of space between the top of the plate and the bottom of the top case. I can make up some dxfs of a cutout for a gasket I suppose? It could probably also be cut by hand from something. I imagine that 1mm would work and compress down OK. I have some neoprene at home I think I will try it out.
I'd actually be curious how this affects the plastic plate anyway.
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Tue, 21 January 2020, 13:45:33
Any chance of a frosted polycarbonate option? I'm still interested regardless.
not this time as we are trying to keep the SKUs down. Maybe in the future.
I saw in your Lockheed IC that you'd be offering cerakoting, will that be an option here as well?
Unfortunately for this we are planning to use a different manufacturer so won't be offering cerakote. If you want to ask Salvun for a quote : https://salvun.com/ he is very close to mykeyboard.eu so could handle the re-finish.
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 21 January 2020, 15:03:49
Would really like to see a case only (no PCB, no plate) option. I've been talking with quite a few other Boardwalk users that have deep interest in this case but buying PCBs and plates we won't use are part of what kept us away from the Klippe S cases. Please give us an option to buy this as case only!
I would also be interested in a no pcb option, although I would still like to buy a plate. I have a pcb sitting in my parts drawer that would be perfect for this case.
Post by: Ahrimofnor on Tue, 21 January 2020, 15:28:46
I'm probably a bit of a dunce and can't figure this out. If there is no downward pressure from the top on the plate, what keeps the plate vertically constrained preventing rattle against the pins & bottom?Was trying to figure that out too. Wouldn't it rattle around when typing and/or transporting?
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the plate is designed to be very tight in terms of tolerance. the idea is that typing creates the downward pressure. Nylon shrinks slightly after machining so fits very snug, same with PP to a lesser degree. PC will be able to move up and down in transport but in my experience it doesn't bounce whilst typing. The reason I only am offering the plastic plates in this instance is to mitigate this, if you wanted to use a metal plate for example I think it would need some kind of gasket material as the vibration would carry across the whole plate in a way that it doesn't whilst typing with the plastic plates.
Will the plastic plates wear down over time allowing those tight tolerances to loosen? Can friction fit between plastic plate and alu case can loosen up over time/use? In either case I am 100% down for multiple to mess around with vibration isolation setups + plate styles + top variations.
This may be off topic but does anyone know of a source for flex-cut 60% pcb that might be able to be dropped in? (If I understand the board design correctly)
Post by: Ensaum on Tue, 21 January 2020, 15:34:08
This may be off topic but does anyone know of a source for flex-cut 60% pcb that might be able to be dropped in? (If I understand the board design correctly)
https://mekanisk.co/products/wt60-d
Post by: Little4Real on Tue, 21 January 2020, 16:38:09
Post by: Ahngel on Tue, 21 January 2020, 22:59:26
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
Post by: Emir on Wed, 22 January 2020, 03:18:17
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
Post by: Khers on Wed, 22 January 2020, 03:52:35
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
But so is the 661, right?
Post by: regionfree on Wed, 22 January 2020, 04:56:29
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 22 January 2020, 05:13:44
since there's no pressure from the top piece of the case on to the plate, wouldn't this lead to some amount of rattling between the plate and the top and bottom pieces of the case?He went over this a bit back. Basically unless your a violent typer, the plastic plates will absorb most of the impact preventing it from rattling against the bottom. This is doubly true for the nylon build plate which should really never experience this. It should only rattle against the top during transport. If adding your own metallic plate you'll most likely want to compress it from the top with some kind of foam to prevent it from rattling during transport/typing. That said the case is primarily built for flexible plastic plates.
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 22 January 2020, 06:50:44
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
But so is the 661, right?
It's similar, the 661 is very much sandwich in the way the plate is secured though. I basically took the idea from the 661 and played with it to improve it.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 22 January 2020, 06:57:31
I'm probably a bit of a dunce and can't figure this out. If there is no downward pressure from the top on the plate, what keeps the plate vertically constrained preventing rattle against the pins & bottom?Was trying to figure that out too. Wouldn't it rattle around when typing and/or transporting?
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the plate is designed to be very tight in terms of tolerance. the idea is that typing creates the downward pressure. Nylon shrinks slightly after machining so fits very snug, same with PP to a lesser degree. PC will be able to move up and down in transport but in my experience it doesn't bounce whilst typing. The reason I only am offering the plastic plates in this instance is to mitigate this, if you wanted to use a metal plate for example I think it would need some kind of gasket material as the vibration would carry across the whole plate in a way that it doesn't whilst typing with the plastic plates.
Will the plastic plates wear down over time allowing those tight tolerances to loosen? Can friction fit between plastic plate and alu case can loosen up over time/use? In either case I am 100% down for multiple to mess around with vibration isolation setups + plate styles + top variations.
This may be off topic but does anyone know of a source for flex-cut 60% pcb that might be able to be dropped in? (If I understand the board design correctly)
I have been using mine from the private round with a nylon plate daily for the last 6 months or so and not experienced any issue, again there isn't particularly any friction that should cause a problem but it's possible that in years it might be a problem.
https://imgur.com/a/D4IMiSv <- there's an image in here of the PCB that comes with the buy. I plan on open sourcing the PCB files somewhere down the line as well.
Any ALPS plate support?
probably not with the buy but I will be releasing files.
since there's no pressure from the top piece of the case on to the plate, wouldn't this lead to some amount of rattling between the plate and the top and bottom pieces of the case?He went over this a bit back. Basically unless your a violent typer, the plastic plates will absorb most of the impact preventing it from rattling against the bottom. This is doubly true for the nylon build plate which should really never experience this. It should only rattle against the top during transport. If adding your own metallic plate you'll most likely want to compress it from the top with some kind of foam to prevent it from rattling during transport/typing. That said the case is primarily built for flexible plastic plates.
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I have personally used PC and Nylon plates and never experienced any rattle/unpleasant movement during typing. If you pick it up and shake it it will rattle with the PC as it stays pretty firm, the nylon fits tight to the pins in my experience.
Post by: regionfree on Wed, 22 January 2020, 09:02:19
Post by: Ahngel on Wed, 22 January 2020, 09:45:22
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
No it's the same construction. Just glad he made it a 60%. The kbd661 is rare now and has too many keys for my liking. Looks hype
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 22 January 2020, 10:23:48
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
No it's the same construction. Just glad he made it a 60%. The kbd661 is rare now and has too many keys for my liking. Looks hype
I mean it uses pins, and is sandwiched, but unlike the kdb661, the plate is loose. In the kdb661 I'm pretty sure the upper body places continuous pressure on the bottom. The Prophet's plate, on the other hand, just rests on top of the bottom, no top pressure, less snug fit.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 22 January 2020, 10:53:42
this looks really nice!
the mount style is the same as the kbdfans 661 right?
No, this is pin mount
No it's the same construction. Just glad he made it a 60%. The kbd661 is rare now and has too many keys for my liking. Looks hype
I mean it uses pins, and is sandwiched, but unlike the kdb661, the plate is loose. In the kdb661 I'm pretty sure the upper body places continuous pressure on the bottom. The Prophet's plate, on the other hand, just rests on top of the bottom, no top pressure, less snug fit.
correct the construction is different from 661.
Post by: BIG_BUCKNUT on Wed, 22 January 2020, 12:46:49
Also, as others have said, it's a relief to see this as a no limit group buy. Trying to get in on the FCFS sales is just the worst.
Post by: Ahrimofnor on Wed, 22 January 2020, 13:41:39
Post by: azulyf on Wed, 22 January 2020, 16:21:55
Post by: Vigrith on Wed, 22 January 2020, 17:26:39
Could you post some pic/video without top to elaborate how the plate is mounted?
It's in the first post.
(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393396388282761219/668551342637318164/v3v27.gif)
This is literally how it works.
Post by: Vox on Wed, 22 January 2020, 21:34:07
Post by: Mcnos on Wed, 22 January 2020, 23:34:08
Could you post some pic/video without top to elaborate how the plate is mounted?
It's also shown here in this video here, in real time/life.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLxB3Jpa4A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zxLxB3Jpa4A)
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 23 January 2020, 04:32:06
I'm kinda new so sorry for the dumb question. What're the traits of nylon and polypropylene for the plate and how do they compare to polycarbonate?
you can see what I said on discord about it here:
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Both are softer than acrylic and PC. PP has a much lower rating in terms of hardness which gives it a really soft bottom out and a lighter note. Nylon has a slightly deeper note than that and is also slightly firmer. The advantage in both is they are soft enough to dampen vibrations from hitting switches
Fwiw nylon is my preferred material in this case
What's the plate to top gap size? Also, I assume the bezels on the bottom arent much wider than the pins themselves (on the order of a few mm)
0.75mm, the edges of the base (what you called bezels) are around 2mm, the pins are 0.95mm
Could you post some pic/video without top to elaborate how the plate is mounted?
It's in the first post.Show Image(https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/393396388282761219/668551342637318164/v3v27.gif)
This is literally how it works.
pretty much exactly this. You just stack it all together and screw it on.
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 23 January 2020, 05:20:01
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 23 January 2020, 05:38:27
Is it similar to Tind in construction?
I don't know this keyboard so cannot comment. A search only brought up a single render.
Post by: vegs on Thu, 23 January 2020, 05:58:26
Is it similar to Tind in construction?If you're thinking about the mounting, then yes. It's the same idea.
Post by: datfroyodoe on Thu, 23 January 2020, 06:16:31
Post by: FearsomeCubedWarrior on Thu, 23 January 2020, 06:19:23
Yeah, that's the idea: same overall "seamless" design.Is it similar to Tind in construction?If you're thinking about the mounting, then yes. It's the same idea.
Is it similar to Tind in construction?
I don't know this keyboard so cannot comment. A search only brought up a single render.
Here's a video of proto:
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 23 January 2020, 06:19:41
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 23 January 2020, 06:49:00
Yeah, that's the idea: same overall "seamless" design.Is it similar to Tind in construction?If you're thinking about the mounting, then yes. It's the same idea.Is it similar to Tind in construction?
I don't know this keyboard so cannot comment. A search only brought up a single render.
Here's a video of proto:
Yeah, so this is nothing like that, outside of the fact that the final build looks seamless. On this the plate rests on the edge of the base secured by slipping over 4 pins in the corner. The Prophet is not a gasket mount board, nor is it an isolation mount (which is what the Tind looks like to be). I'd expect a different experience to the Tind.
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 23 January 2020, 06:53:14
Interesting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Post by: Solotov on Thu, 23 January 2020, 07:32:03
Interesting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate :p
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 23 January 2020, 07:43:39
Interesting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate :p
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 23 January 2020, 08:23:28
Interesting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate :p
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!
Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
Post by: Woahder on Thu, 23 January 2020, 12:38:11
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Post by: datfroyodoe on Thu, 23 January 2020, 23:53:53
I was hesitant on the nylon plate but I might be keen give it a go now, thank youInteresting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 24 January 2020, 05:20:34
I was hesitant on the nylon plate but I might be keen give it a go now, thank youInteresting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
FWIW I think additional plates should be really affordable!
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 24 January 2020, 06:09:41
What about PCBs :D? With the speedy remounting speed it would be a shame to let desoldering slow you down.I was hesitant on the nylon plate but I might be keen give it a go now, thank youInteresting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
FWIW I think additional plates should be really affordable!
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 24 January 2020, 06:18:33
What about PCBs :D? With the speedy remounting speed it would be a shame to let desoldering slow you down.I was hesitant on the nylon plate but I might be keen give it a go now, thank youInteresting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
FWIW I think additional plates should be really affordable!
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definitely available! hopefully pretty affordable too :-)
Post by: Poesjuh on Fri, 24 January 2020, 09:11:07
Any 60% pcb will do, especially usb c. So just get a 60pcb of your choice.What about PCBs :D? With the speedy remounting speed it would be a shame to let desoldering slow you down.I was hesitant on the nylon plate but I might be keen give it a go now, thank youInteresting mounting style. How would you compare this mount to integrated plate mount? From what I see, the plate with pin mount will lie on the bottom case, so it should be kind of stiff?
So where this differs is the recommended materials for the plate. The nylon or pp plates should be much more flexible than metallic or hard plastic plates. Add to that the loose mounting style, and you should get more flex and uniform flex across the board. Now this isn't a gasket/isolation mount, so I wouldn't expect to get as much flex as one of those, it's more the uniform flex across the whole board which is interesting (imagine a net stretched taught, suspended between 4 trees at the corners, with keys on it).
If you used the provided files to create a metallic plate it would be similar to an integrated plate mount, but since the integrated mount is sandwiched/screwed in, the metallic on this would still provide more flex, since it's still loose and just "draped" over the 4 pins.
Hope that helps a little, and I'm sure OP will correct me if wrong :D.
Really appreciate your detailed explanation. :thumb: Now I have my eyes on that nylon plate
No problem :D. It's definitely a unique design not really seen elsewhere which is cool. There will be a ton of gasket and isolation boards this year, but I'm following this one purely because it is more of a "first".
beating me to it! You got a pretty good understanding of it and I'd agree with what you say about the difference between metal and plastic!Would the nylon plates be prone to warping?
nylon does shrink slightly, I have a build with a nylon half plate in my private round build and have been using it for 6 months pretty much daily. I can't see any difference in the plate from when I initially installed the build in it to now.
FWIW I think additional plates should be really affordable!
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Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 24 January 2020, 11:06:02
Any 60% pcb will do, especially usb c. So just get a 60pcb of your choice.
Yup, ignore me, I'm an idiot. Forgot you can drop any PCB in this case.
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 25 January 2020, 13:03:53
Post by: fluidin on Sat, 25 January 2020, 20:58:34
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 25 January 2020, 22:00:35
really hoping that red will be offered again !!This is a valid statement. I'd totally take a red.
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Post by: akacronos131 on Sun, 26 January 2020, 16:44:53
Post by: chive_ on Sun, 26 January 2020, 18:29:19
Looking forward to updates!
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 31 January 2020, 10:55:20
In for this one, excited to try out PP and Nylon. Any updates on possibly selling tops separately? I'd possibly be interested in getting one HHKB and one WKL.
Looking forward to updates!
Enough people are interested that will try to make it work. Currently waiting on the factory to come back to work to get firmer updates and obviously that might take a little longer now.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 31 January 2020, 13:18:44
Awesome. Would love to easy swap to wkl or hhkb, etc with pcb/plates.In for this one, excited to try out PP and Nylon. Any updates on possibly selling tops separately? I'd possibly be interested in getting one HHKB and one WKL.
Looking forward to updates!
Enough people are interested that will try to make it work. Currently waiting on the factory to come back to work to get firmer updates and obviously that might take a little longer now.
Post by: chive_ on Fri, 31 January 2020, 23:31:30
In for this one, excited to try out PP and Nylon. Any updates on possibly selling tops separately? I'd possibly be interested in getting one HHKB and one WKL.
Looking forward to updates!
Enough people are interested that will try to make it work. Currently waiting on the factory to come back to work to get firmer updates and obviously that might take a little longer now.
:thumb:
Post by: zekth on Sun, 02 February 2020, 04:13:39
Post by: dRpkebs on Sun, 02 February 2020, 19:36:03
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Post by: lush_bunny on Sun, 02 February 2020, 20:06:57
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 03 February 2020, 07:01:49
Noob question: Does the nature of this kind build make typing a wobbly experience? I ask because from the test vids, the keebs sound stable and consistent and I want to know how that's possible.
I'm not too sure what you mean by wobbly, the assembly doesn't really move around inside the case unless you pick it up and shake it.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Mon, 03 February 2020, 08:51:05
Would love a dark olive or a Maroon color for this, but otherwise I'll likely be in for a silver or grey. :thumb:
Post by: lush_bunny on Mon, 03 February 2020, 10:45:59
Noob question: Does the nature of this kind build make typing a wobbly experience? I ask because from the test vids, the keebs sound stable and consistent and I want to know how that's possible.
I'm not too sure what you mean by wobbly, the assembly doesn't really move around inside the case unless you pick it up and shake it.
Thanks that’s all I needed to hear! Looking forward to an e-white or dare I say red Prophet.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 03 February 2020, 10:59:18
Noob question: Does the nature of this kind build make typing a wobbly experience? I ask because from the test vids, the keebs sound stable and consistent and I want to know how that's possible.
I'm not too sure what you mean by wobbly, the assembly doesn't really move around inside the case unless you pick it up and shake it.
Thanks that’s all I needed to hear! Looking forward to an e-white or dare I say red Prophet.
Yeah, I think the very nature of the plate material means it's more likely to stretch and give then rattle.
Post by: Olivierko on Mon, 03 February 2020, 12:42:12
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 03 February 2020, 13:24:21
Any information regarding estimated weight of the board and lead time?
lead time is currently up in the air due to the situation in China. Will be updating here once I am able to narrow down information.
Weight of my built one from the last round is 1003g with GMK caps. tends to be within 50g of this weight.
Post by: DALExSNAIL on Tue, 04 February 2020, 09:19:15
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 05 February 2020, 11:39:38
May have been addressed previously, but does the top case sit pretty far up? Looks to be higher on the caps than most cases. IMO that's a good thing, as the top on this thing looks killer.
Distance from plate to top of case is 7.8mm. After some experimentation I found that I like this measurement the most for high profile.
Post by: noorejji on Wed, 05 February 2020, 22:39:51
Distance from plate to top of case is 7.8mm. After some experimentation I found that I like this measurement the most for high profile.Isn't that a bit on the high side? Don't know if it's a good thing to optimize for high profiles when cherry is by far the most popular. I mainly take issue with this running flipped spacebar, as the thumb won't naturally depress the spacebar before hitting the edge of the keyboard. Oh well, I doubt it's feasible to make any changes at this point so it is what it is. At least the edge looks to be a bit rounded, so it might not be too painful for the thumb.
Post by: manzel on Thu, 06 February 2020, 02:54:27
Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 06 February 2020, 05:05:26
I think he meant high profile cases and not high profile caps. From what I have seen, 7.8 mm is fairly common as the bezel height.Yeah. I think he meant this.
Post by: noorejji on Thu, 06 February 2020, 07:38:42
Post by: sortofsleepy on Thu, 06 February 2020, 14:21:56
I'm excited!
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 07 February 2020, 00:47:32
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:22:10
As we draw closer to March, I was curious if there are any US vendors lined up / in talks with? EU shipping isn't a dealbreaker for me but cheaper is always better of course.I have a US, EU and SEA vendor. In talks with an AU vendor but not confirmed yet. It's likely to be delayed a little due to the current situation in China as I'm unable to get firm numbers from the factory at the moment.
I'm excited!
I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
Colours are still undecided, It makes sense as a buyer for that but unfortunately I think it adds way too many more SKUs into the buy to be a reasonable task for this buy. Any additional unit just adds more complications and I'd like for this buy to be as smooth as possible.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:49:08
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 07 February 2020, 05:54:57
As we draw closer to March, I was curious if there are any US vendors lined up / in talks with? EU shipping isn't a dealbreaker for me but cheaper is always better of course.I have a US, EU and SEA vendor. In talks with an AU vendor but not confirmed yet. It's likely to be delayed a little due to the current situation in China as I'm unable to get firm numbers from the factory at the moment.
I'm excited!I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
Colours are still undecided, It makes sense as a buyer for that but unfortunately I think it adds way too many more SKUs into the buy to be a reasonable task for this buy. Any additional unit just adds more complications and I'd like for this buy to be as smooth as possible.
Fingers crossed for red. The photos of Red Prophets are just beautiful.
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 06:01:56
Make sure you vote for it in the IC.As we draw closer to March, I was curious if there are any US vendors lined up / in talks with? EU shipping isn't a dealbreaker for me but cheaper is always better of course.I have a US, EU and SEA vendor. In talks with an AU vendor but not confirmed yet. It's likely to be delayed a little due to the current situation in China as I'm unable to get firm numbers from the factory at the moment.
I'm excited!I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
Colours are still undecided, It makes sense as a buyer for that but unfortunately I think it adds way too many more SKUs into the buy to be a reasonable task for this buy. Any additional unit just adds more complications and I'd like for this buy to be as smooth as possible.
Fingers crossed for red. The photos of Red Prophets are just beautiful.
As an aside, I wish there was a priority for color in the IC form. I know personally the red is my first pick, but I, I'm sure like many others, chose more default colors for my second/third. Hope there's at least one splash of color and it's not all white, grey and black. Especially since tops are swappable.
Post by: noorejji on Fri, 07 February 2020, 10:13:50
Understandable.I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
Colours are still undecided, It makes sense as a buyer for that but unfortunately I think it adds way too many more SKUs into the buy to be a reasonable task for this buy. Any additional unit just adds more complications and I'd like for this buy to be as smooth as possible.
Hope there's at least one splash of color and it's not all white, grey and black. Especially since tops are swappable.I hope so as well. Personally I always vote for unique colors, but I understand most people would want to safe it. People might have voted differently if they knew swappable tops would be a thing. Or maybe not - who knows.
Post by: hkiri on Fri, 07 February 2020, 16:46:52
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Post by: Zeelobby on Fri, 07 February 2020, 16:56:51
Post by: dantambok on Fri, 07 February 2020, 17:31:43
Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Mad lad
Post by: lush_bunny on Fri, 07 February 2020, 23:16:22
Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Switches from a pcb full of lubed healios to one full of box navies
I feel like annoying the office today.
Post by: hkiri on Sat, 08 February 2020, 04:40:04
And even better you can go out and get other PCBs that for those layouts, since any 60 will do.
I would rather get more of the Prophet PCBs with those flex cuts(?) than just some generic 60% PCB.
Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Mad lad
Big brain move.
Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Switches from a pcb full of lubed healios to one full of box navies
I feel like annoying the office today.
My colleagues can count themselves lucky since I'm part of team linear.
Post by: Iksion on Sat, 08 February 2020, 04:57:23
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:04:56
Make sure you vote for it in the IC.As we draw closer to March, I was curious if there are any US vendors lined up / in talks with? EU shipping isn't a dealbreaker for me but cheaper is always better of course.I have a US, EU and SEA vendor. In talks with an AU vendor but not confirmed yet. It's likely to be delayed a little due to the current situation in China as I'm unable to get firm numbers from the factory at the moment.
I'm excited!I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
Colours are still undecided, It makes sense as a buyer for that but unfortunately I think it adds way too many more SKUs into the buy to be a reasonable task for this buy. Any additional unit just adds more complications and I'd like for this buy to be as smooth as possible.
Fingers crossed for red. The photos of Red Prophets are just beautiful.
As an aside, I wish there was a priority for color in the IC form. I know personally the red is my first pick, but I, I'm sure like many others, chose more default colors for my second/third. Hope there's at least one splash of color and it's not all white, grey and black. Especially since tops are swappable.
I have done something like this before - if I'd have known how divisive the voting was I would have planned something a little better. Big fan of the red myself!
And even better you can go out and get other PCBs that for those layouts, since any 60 will do.
I would rather get more of the Prophet PCBs with those flex cuts(?) than just some generic 60% PCB.Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Mad lad
Big brain move.Extras for tops would be really appreciated!
This way I could get 3 pcbs + plates, 1 base and the 3 different tops.
Almost a 3 in 1 board 👀
Switches from a pcb full of lubed healios to one full of box navies
I feel like annoying the office today.
My colleagues can count themselves lucky since I'm part of team linear.
;D ;D ;D
enough people want the different tops that I want to make it happen, just waiting on the factory to come back to work to finalise the details.
I prefer the term relief cuts :-)
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 08 February 2020, 09:09:36
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 08 February 2020, 15:33:39
Updated first post with details of a giveaway :))
Man, this community is the best. Was looking at that keyset anyway, if it wins me a free Prophet that's even better! Then all the money I spent will just have to go to extra case tops and PCBs :D.
Post by: alanskiii on Sat, 08 February 2020, 17:17:29
Updated first post with details of a giveaway :))Looks like I want my prophet to be red now
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Post by: YungDaff on Mon, 10 February 2020, 18:37:00
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 15 February 2020, 06:24:53
Really excited for this board. How does the pin mount system work in terms of bottoming out feel? Is it on the softer side like a gasket mount, or more stiff like some sandwich mount boards?
It's very soft, the whole assembly can move together and especially with the softer plates I am running this with you get a very soft bottom out
Post by: hkiri on Tue, 18 February 2020, 14:06:21
Post by: lush_bunny on Tue, 18 February 2020, 18:26:50
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 19 February 2020, 07:49:43
Red Gang reporting. I too am anxious for a GB date
Made a note in the first post about it: TBD depending on when my factory returns to work
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 19 February 2020, 08:00:52
Post by: SmackinJ on Sat, 29 February 2020, 23:16:38
Post by: lush_bunny on Sat, 29 February 2020, 23:21:40
This group buy still set to open March 1st?
From the OP:
PLEASE NOTE
Due to the current situation in China my factory has not returned to work and it's very possible (looking likely) that we will have to push the start of this back slightly so we are able to fully finalise details with them (was in the process of final quotes when CNY started) I really hope I don't have to do this and we can get it going on time.
GB will be delayed until the factory is able to confirm: timeline/prices. Sorry for the delay - very much out of my hands
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sun, 01 March 2020, 06:29:30
While the opening of the GB is dependent on the situation in China, do you plan to reveal the available component color options beforehand or will we have to wait for the GB to find those out?
Post by: lunr on Sun, 01 March 2020, 07:17:19
Post by: yhs on Mon, 02 March 2020, 01:49:28
Post by: westfoxtrot on Mon, 02 March 2020, 11:36:08
wondering how does it compare between half plates and full plates? i assume the full plate will be a bit stiffer than the half plate in terms of feel.
Half plate has a lot more flex and variation across the board I wouldn't say it feels stiffer necessarily as the relief cuts in the PCB really adjust the way the board feels with a full plate but it's more consistent with the full compared to the half
Westfoxtrot,
While the opening of the GB is dependent on the situation in China, do you plan to reveal the available component color options beforehand or will we have to wait for the GB to find those out?
I will release that as soon as the factory gets back to me with a quote - they are now back and I am waiting on confirmation of what can/cannot be done for the colours before I confirm them.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 02 March 2020, 12:08:40
Post by: _PixelNinja on Mon, 02 March 2020, 12:59:38
I will release that as soon as the factory gets back to me with a quote - they are now back and I am waiting on confirmation of what can/cannot be done for the colours before I confirm them.
Gotcha! Thanks.
Post by: westway on Mon, 09 March 2020, 15:03:40
Post by: catamscott on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:32:09
So glad to see an open group buy for this keyboard. I'm in for two tops if they are going to be available. I ask for a suggestion regarding the plate. Since I have experience only with aluminum and brass, I ask how these 3 soft plates compare with each other and which of them is more suitable for Cherry MX Retooled Blacks. And also I ask which are the differences in terms of feel between half and full plate. I heard a lot of typing sounds online and I think Cherry MX Blacks sound great with PC, but I also never listened to them in a nylon plate build.
see:
I'm kinda new so sorry for the dumb question. What're the traits of nylon and polypropylene for the plate and how do they compare to polycarbonate?
you can see what I said on discord about it here:QuoteBoth are softer than acrylic and PC. PP has a much lower rating in terms of hardness which gives it a really soft bottom out and a lighter note. Nylon has a slightly deeper note than that and is also slightly firmer. The advantage in both is they are soft enough to dampen vibrations from hitting switches
Fwiw nylon is my preferred material in this case
half plate will provide a softer, more flexible typing experience than full plate, and full plate will feel firmer and more uniform. as far as plate and switch pairings, that's going to boil down to personal preference. luckily plates will likely be inexpensive, so experimentation won't cost you too much extra.
Post by: Zeelobby on Mon, 09 March 2020, 20:35:13
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 11 March 2020, 13:24:02
Post by: pchoi on Fri, 20 March 2020, 09:54:12
Post by: Tekko on Sun, 29 March 2020, 07:04:01
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
Post by: ddnomad on Sun, 29 March 2020, 08:09:16
If comparing Prophet to recent boards like Polaris (250usd), what is the difference? I wonder since the price is about 100usd difference between both boards?Well, for me the price is the biggest reservation right now. Given that only black aluminum base will be offered, together with 3? color options it seems like the set price point is a bit too steep.
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
That’s being said, I think designers and vendors are free to choose whatever price point for their boards as it’s all subjective. The actual design and mount style is quite interesting and the board does sound nice.
Post by: garbo on Sun, 29 March 2020, 08:41:40
If comparing Prophet to recent boards like Polaris (250usd), what is the difference? I wonder since the price is about 100usd difference between both boards?
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
Comparisons like this don't work too well for these sort of low quantity items, where the difference in the individual manufacturing deals/the runners' development costs and risk tolerance/etc proportionally take up more of the cost.
The Polaris had a particular combination of higher end features/design and large scale production that's going to make most keyboard GBs look low value-for-money in comparison.
As for how the keyboards compare directly, I can say that in my experience the difference in construction does makes a difference in the typing feel and sound, which is quite distinctive between them (with the caveat that the plate styles and materials I've used for the two, brass and POM Vs PP and CF half plate, are all quite different).
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 29 March 2020, 12:14:58
Post by: Tekko on Sun, 29 March 2020, 12:45:50
Post by: Rafa_n on Sun, 29 March 2020, 13:09:37
The PCB is a work of art as well.It's a 60% percent pcb with some flex cuts?
Seems a bit much to call it a work of art, unless there is some feature that i'm not familiar with.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 29 March 2020, 13:13:31
I hope there is another run for Polaris eventually then. Cause he really did show off how good a keyboard can be to a reasonable price.If he does it'll guaranteed cost more than $300.
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 29 March 2020, 13:25:20
The PCB is a work of art as well.It's a 60% percent pcb with some flex cuts?
Seems a bit much to call it a work of art, unless there is some feature that i'm not familiar with.
Personally, it's one of the first I've seen with both horizontal and vertical flex cuts (most seem to only include horizontal). And when combined with the cuts in the plate, should (and has been said to) offer a consistent typing feel that's pretty awesome to use. Add to this the sound people have got out of it, and it's actually quite a rarity.
So while yes, this case is cool in that you can drop any 60pcb in it and go to town, the original has been optimized for the plate combinations and unique mount solution.
There are plenty of examples of boards with flex cuts in either the PCB/plate or both which do a pretty poor job of creating consistent feel. There's also many that do a good job with feel, but create very inconsistent sound quality, especially in different regions of the board. Boards that mange to do both with PCB/plate design are few and far between.
Post by: PeenixStarr on Sun, 29 March 2020, 13:30:48
If comparing Prophet to recent boards like Polaris (250usd), what is the difference? I wonder since the price is about 100usd difference between both boards?
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
If you care about $100 price differences this is the wrong hobby for you, and if you don't understand the relevance of scale in economy you should not be debating prices at all. Thanks and have a nice day.
Post by: Tekko on Sun, 29 March 2020, 16:56:15
If comparing Prophet to recent boards like Polaris (250usd), what is the difference? I wonder since the price is about 100usd difference between both boards?
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
If you care about $100 price differences this is the wrong hobby for you, and if you don't understand the relevance of scale in economy you should not be debating prices at all. Thanks and have a nice day.
What are you even talking about?
Obviously price has an impact on the value. Or do you go around buying everything that is on GB disregarding the price?
I didn't mock the price and the designer has every right to put whichever price he wants on the product. I literally asked if there is anything that justifies for the difference in price since the keyboard is on pair with other keyboards that has been sold for 100usd less.
If you don't care about money then that is your problem. And being ignorant doesn't really make anything good for this community, neither is mocking other people for their questions.
Good day sir
Post by: Poesjuh on Sun, 29 March 2020, 18:18:49
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Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 29 March 2020, 19:43:04
You can’t compare a 1000 kits sold keyboard to a 50-100 boards of whatever it’s going to run buy though. The lower the numbers, the higher the cost.
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Especially not a 3000 kits sold. I imagine if he had profits, they were razor thin, and probably didn't come close to covering what he should have been paid for QC time spent.
Post by: hughtrue on Mon, 30 March 2020, 16:52:38
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Post by: pchoi on Tue, 31 March 2020, 10:42:47
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 01 April 2020, 03:13:27
I'm curious wether colors has been decided. Would it make sense to offer more than 3 colors if case tops can be ordered as extra?
yes please see update in first post
As we draw closer to March, I was curious if there are any US vendors lined up / in talks with? EU shipping isn't a dealbreaker for me but cheaper is always better of course.
I'm excited!
US Vendor confirmed, please see first post
If comparing Prophet to recent boards like Polaris (250usd), what is the difference? I wonder since the price is about 100usd difference between both boards?
The Polaris has an included brass weight and included sound dampening foam.
Prophet GB
https://geekhack.org/index.php?topic=101904.0
I'm sorry I wasn't able to hit a price point that suits you
Does this have a polycarbonate case option?
No PC case
Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 01 April 2020, 03:16:26
I'm sorry I wasn't able to hit a price point that suits you
How succinct lol. Hope everything with the factory goes well soon.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 01 April 2020, 03:47:38
I'm sorry I wasn't able to hit a price point that suits you
How succinct lol. Hope everything with the factory goes well soon.
I mean I'd love to be able to sell this for $100 less but it's just not feasible. I don't know how else to respond to this :D
Post by: hkiri on Wed, 01 April 2020, 04:17:21
Post by: _PixelNinja on Wed, 01 April 2020, 04:41:47
Any current info on the PCB color(s) that will be available or is that still TBD?
Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 01 April 2020, 04:48:29
Thanks for the update Westfoxtrot!
Any current info on the PCB color(s) that will be available or is that still TBD?
ah knew I'd forget something - matte black was the clear winner
Post by: _PixelNinja on Wed, 01 April 2020, 05:31:53
ah knew I'd forget something - matte black was the clear winner
Awesome. Thanks!
Post by: self on Wed, 01 April 2020, 05:40:02
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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Post by: lush_bunny on Wed, 01 April 2020, 06:24:06
Group Buy is currently being pushed to start 15th April with a kit price of $325 + local taxes + shipping.Noice. Looking forward to the price points of extra PCBs and Tops.
SEA vendor would be so sick for someone living in that region. Fingers crossed.
Vendors
US - Cannon Keys
EU - mykeyboard.eu
SEA - TBD
If the SEA vendor doesn't work out then it'll just be available from the US and EU vendors.
The lack of dark red makes me sad. Alas, such is life.
Colours selected as per poll:
Black
E-White
Dark Blue (should be very similar to the Satisfaction75 blue)
No MOQ?
The GB will be open until April 30th or until we hit 150 units (whichever comes last). If this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
I'm looking forward to this 60% so bad. Fingers crossed on everyone's health and wallets for this.
Post by: gnhuy91 on Wed, 01 April 2020, 06:58:08
Great update!whichever comes last (not first), April 30th or 150units.
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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Post by: self on Wed, 01 April 2020, 07:01:53
I tried to join Duck Viper V3 and they had similar rules (either a week of 100 units iirc). 100 units were sold in less then 2 minutes.Great update!whichever comes last (not first), April 30th or 150units.
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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Post by: Southern Discomfort on Wed, 01 April 2020, 07:06:23
Colours selected as per poll:
Black
E-White
Dark Blue (should be very similar to the Satisfaction75 blue)
Unfortunately we are limited to 3 colours due to manufacturing requirements.
The bottom will be available in either black or matching your top.
Really bad news. Can I order a raw-finished top and bottom?
Post by: platypusduck on Wed, 01 April 2020, 07:08:13
I tried to join Duck Viper V3 and they had similar rules (either a week of 100 units iirc). 100 units were sold in less then 2 minutes.Great update!whichever comes last (not first), April 30th or 150units.
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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So it's either we reach April 30 and we haven't reached the 150 units target (so it continues until it reaches 150 units); or we reach 150 units in 2 minutes and it ain't even April 30 yet (so it continues until April 30). I'm sure there will be enough time for us to get our boards.
But it's also stipulated that the GB period depends on how well it is doing; for instance, it might not be physically feasible for the GB runner to do 3000 units:
Quote
If this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
Post by: self on Wed, 01 April 2020, 07:13:36
Oh, my bad!I tried to join Duck Viper V3 and they had similar rules (either a week of 100 units iirc). 100 units were sold in less then 2 minutes.Great update!whichever comes last (not first), April 30th or 150units.
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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So it's either we reach April 30 and we haven't reached the 150 units target (so it continues until it reaches 150 units); or we reach 150 units in 2 minutes and it ain't even April 30 yet (so it continues until April 30). I'm sure there will be enough time for us to get our boards.
But it's also stipulated that the GB period depends on how well it is doing; for instance, it might not be physically feasible for the GB runner to do 3000 units:QuoteIf this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
Thanks for explanation!
By the way, E-White will be more expensive or all options will have the same price?
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Post by: westfoxtrot on Wed, 01 April 2020, 11:07:16
Great update!whichever comes last (not first), April 30th or 150units.
Off, 150 units FCFS, this will be hard.
So, all the vendors are gonna add Prophet as a listing on their websites at the same time?
Or you will release the form and we will need to specify the proxy we want?
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^ this, current pricing is based on MOQ of 150
By the way, E-White will be more expensive or all options will have the same price?
All options are the same price
Colours selected as per poll:
Black
E-White
Dark Blue (should be very similar to the Satisfaction75 blue)
Unfortunately we are limited to 3 colours due to manufacturing requirements.
The bottom will be available in either black or matching your top.
Really bad news. Can I order a raw-finished top and bottom?
No, we will only be offering the finished parts. raw parts have other, different complications
Post by: bigapplepietart on Wed, 01 April 2020, 11:21:38
Post by: nasp on Wed, 01 April 2020, 12:31:21
Great price too!
Post by: Jade on Wed, 01 April 2020, 13:22:45
Post by: _PixelNinja on Wed, 01 April 2020, 15:44:40
Will a standard hotswap PCB like a DZ60 or a 1UP 60% HSE fit?
Considering any standard 60% PCB will fit this board according to OP, technically those should fit. Not so sure about everything staying put though.
Post by: Rafa_n on Wed, 01 April 2020, 18:38:21
Post by: Zeelobby on Wed, 01 April 2020, 20:46:38
Some of the phrasing on the update seems a little confusing, maybe it's just me, but, just to be clear. The MOQ is 150 but there is no upper limit on units correct?Looks like there is now a 150 unit max. Which is the moq to justify $325 price.
Post by: cijanzen on Wed, 01 April 2020, 20:50:00
No. It’s whichever comes later. So if there aren’t 150 units purchased by April 30 then it’ll keep running until the MOQ is hit. Otherwise if 150 units sell on the first day it’ll still run til April 30.Some of the phrasing on the update seems a little confusing, maybe it's just me, but, just to be clear. The MOQ is 150 but there is no upper limit on units correct?Looks like there is now a 150 unit max. Which is the moq to justify $325 price.
Post by: nasp on Wed, 01 April 2020, 20:56:57
Quote
The GB will be open until April 30th or until we hit 150 units (whichever comes last). If this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
Usually the phrase is "whichever comes first" so I agree that this is a bit confusing. The only thing that is clear is that MOQ is 150
Post by: platypusduck on Wed, 01 April 2020, 23:33:45
QuoteThe GB will be open until April 30th or until we hit 150 units (whichever comes last). If this number is looking unrealistic after 2 weeks we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
Usually the phrase is "whichever comes first" so I agree that this is a bit confusing. The only thing that is clear is that MOQ is 150
Right. Although I think it's something along the lines of:
> The GB will have an MOQ of 150 and will run until April 30. However, it may continue after that if the MOQ hasn't been reached at that point.
> On the other hand, if the number of sold units looks unrealistic (too little, or too much) two weeks after the GB opens, then we will re-evaluate what we are able to do.
Maybe Max can use that instead in the OT. :p
Post by: westfoxtrot on Thu, 02 April 2020, 06:08:06
Will a standard hotswap PCB like a DZ60 or a 1UP 60% HSE fit?
Yes though I cannot guarantee anything to do with the way hotswap works as I haven't tried it.
Some of the phrasing on the update seems a little confusing, maybe it's just me, but, just to be clear. The MOQ is 150 but there is no upper limit on units correct?
Yes I have now changed this.
Post by: Southern Discomfort on Thu, 02 April 2020, 12:32:58
No, we will only be offering the finished parts. raw parts have other, different complications
Ok, thank you. Good luck with GB!
Post by: godofdeath on Thu, 02 April 2020, 15:35:22
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Post by: Zeelobby on Thu, 02 April 2020, 18:52:42
Post by: mattijs on Thu, 02 April 2020, 22:52:19
What time does the GB go live in the US on the 15th?
Post by: westfoxtrot on Fri, 03 April 2020, 04:28:24
Marked my calendar. Definitely in for a WKL black case and probably an additional top/plate/PCB.
What time does the GB go live in the US on the 15th?
11AM ET is the current plan
Can we use other plates I don't recall seeing that in first post? I'm just wondering what types of layouts the plate that comes with it supports.
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plate files will be released once production models are confirmed. There are 2 plate variants, ANSI and ISO. The ANSI will support split backspace and split left shift. The ISO will have split left and ISO Enter cluster with full backspace. Both support split right shift. 7U bottom row only
Post by: konstantin on Fri, 03 April 2020, 09:42:34
plate files will be released once production models are confirmed. There are 2 plate variants, ANSI and ISO. The ANSI will support split backspace and split left shift. The ISO will have split left and ISO Enter cluster with full backspace. Both support split right shift. 7U bottom row only
Bless you for supporting split LShift on the ANSI plate. Will it support stepped Caps Lock as well?
Post by: Little4Real on Fri, 03 April 2020, 14:30:21
Post by: yourfavorite on Fri, 03 April 2020, 16:25:12
Post by: pengoot02 on Fri, 03 April 2020, 17:06:44
Couldn't seem to find a definitive answer but I'm guessing there is no WK layout option as I can't find a render with a compatible top plate.
It will be manufactured from 6063 Aluminium and anodised in a choice of 3 colours. All boards will come with a black base. There will be HHKB, WKL & Standard Tops available.
Read the post properly
Post by: yourfavorite on Fri, 03 April 2020, 17:29:36
Couldn't seem to find a definitive answer but I'm guessing there is no WK layout option as I can't find a render with a compatible top plate.It will be manufactured from 6063 Aluminium and anodised in a choice of 3 colours. All boards will come with a black base. There will be HHKB, WKL & Standard Tops available.
Read the post properly
No need to be an ass about it. I missed the word Standard as I was looking for WK. Thanks for the info I guess.
Post by: Vigrith on Fri, 03 April 2020, 17:46:29
No need to be an ass about it. I missed the word Standard as I was looking for WK. Thanks for the info I guess.
CTRL + F in the first page usually does the trick when it comes to looking through for stuff like that.
Post by: yourfavorite on Fri, 03 April 2020, 18:14:21
No need to be an ass about it. I missed the word Standard as I was looking for WK. Thanks for the info I guess.
CTRL + F in the first page usually does the trick when it comes to looking through for stuff like that.
Yeah, I just missed it. I saw HHKB and WKL when searching for WK. Missed the standard entirely. Guess I just spaced. That combined with not seeing a render of Standard option lead me to ask. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Post by: wencan008 on Fri, 03 April 2020, 22:58:31
Post by: Zeelobby on Sat, 04 April 2020, 08:02:47
Don't need to be so moody about it. You were pointed to the correct information. If it was a little snappy no need to sink to their level. In GB this is usually available in the OP.Couldn't seem to find a definitive answer but I'm guessing there is no WK layout option as I can't find a render with a compatible top plate.It will be manufactured from 6063 Aluminium and anodised in a choice of 3 colours. All boards will come with a black base. There will be HHKB, WKL & Standard Tops available.
Read the post properly
No need to be an ass about it. I missed the word Standard as I was looking for WK. Thanks for the info I guess.
Post by: Module on Sat, 04 April 2020, 09:45:11
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sat, 04 April 2020, 15:27:09
plate files will be released once production models are confirmed. There are 2 plate variants, ANSI and ISO. The ANSI will support split backspace and split left shift. The ISO will have split left and ISO Enter cluster with full backspace. Both support split right shift. 7U bottom row only
Bless you for supporting split LShift on the ANSI plate. Will it support stepped Caps Lock as well?
Yes. Both plates do stepped and non-stepped. I use split left shift with ANSI enter myself :-)
Looking at pictures of the Satisfaction 75, is the dark blue for the Prophet a darkish blue gray?
It'll be anodised with the same RAL colour which is a very dark blue.
Couldn't seem to find a definitive answer but I'm guessing there is no WK layout option as I can't find a render with a compatible top plate.
Yes but the plate and PCB support 7u bottom row only, there's a standard top available I just didn't do any renders for it.
No more brass bases :(
There was never a plan to include this
Post by: wencan008 on Sat, 04 April 2020, 21:57:51
Looking at pictures of the Satisfaction 75, is the dark blue for the Prophet a darkish blue gray?
It'll be anodised with the same RAL colour which is a very dark blue.
Found a better picture and now I wish it wasn't so nice, now I want a blue and white, this hobby sucks for my wallet
Post by: FredBananaz on Thu, 09 April 2020, 09:59:37
Really excited for the upcoming GB
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 12 April 2020, 05:08:47
Any updates on the price for an extra pcb/plate/top?
Really excited for the upcoming GB
GB Thread is pending approval but here's the pricing:
Extras pricing:
Additional Top: $140
Additional PCBs: $35
Additional Plates: $45
Post by: _PixelNinja on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:17:51
Post by: elmo on Sun, 12 April 2020, 06:22:16
Guess I have to make my own then :D
Would it be possible to release a platefile with standard ANSI bottom row? (I'm too stupid for CAD stuffs)
Post by: Mcnos on Sun, 12 April 2020, 07:08:31
So no standard ANSI bottom row possible with the plates available?
Guess I have to make my own then :D
Would it be possible to release a platefile with standard ANSI bottom row? (I'm too stupid for CAD stuffs)
I'm not sure if the PCB even supports ANSI.
Looking at the PCB in the album it shows to only support tsangan.
(https://i.imgur.com/y245ebQ.jpg)
Post by: Jae-3soteric on Sun, 12 April 2020, 07:11:31
Post by: elmo on Sun, 12 April 2020, 07:22:11
I'm not sure if the PCB even supports ANSI.
Looking at the PCB in the album it shows to only support tsangan.
PCB shouldn't be a problem because according to max the board will fit any standard 60% PCB.
But getting a custom plate to fit that layout is going to be harder.
Post by: westfoxtrot on Sun, 12 April 2020, 09:22:51
I'm not sure if the PCB even supports ANSI.
Looking at the PCB in the album it shows to only support tsangan.
PCB shouldn't be a problem because according to max the board will fit any standard 60% PCB.
But getting a custom plate to fit that layout is going to be harder.
PCB/Plates will only do 7U, I'll add a plate file with 6.25 to my repo (will be in GB thread)
Post by: elmo on Sun, 12 April 2020, 09:30:57
PCB/Plates will only do 7U, I'll add a plate file with 6.25 to my repo (will be in GB thread)
That's great! Really appreciate that :D
Post by: TopreMoon on Sun, 12 April 2020, 14:50:41
Post by: Zeelobby on Sun, 12 April 2020, 17:02:16
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Post by: fatcoffeebeans on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:20:43
Post by: cijanzen on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:28:15
would really be interested in this!Boy do I have good news for you!
Group Buy starts tomorrow
Post by: fatcoffeebeans on Tue, 14 April 2020, 17:37:57
would really be interested in this!Boy do I have good news for you!
Group Buy starts tomorrow
oh wow wow wow! thank you for this info lol